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God of War Thor expectation: Brutal and cruel warmonger that kills puppies for fun.
God of War Thor reality: Depressed alcoholic combat veteran with severe PTSD and trying to be a better father than his was to him.
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super-paper · 9 months
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Do you think Hawks will die to save Toga?
Personally, I wouldn't like it if either of them died. Like, the potential narrative payoff here would be strongest if both of them lived, imo. I would rather see a situation where Keigo donates just enough blood to stabilize them both, rather than a situation where one person completely exsanguinates themselves and leaves behind a rash of trauma and unresolved feelings in the person they "saved."
I'm definitely not the best when it comes to Hawks meta, but I'll try my best to break down my personal feelings on why I feel both Keigo and Himiko need to live in order to "break the cycle":
1. You Can Start Over. I'll Help You.
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This one's the biggest, most obvious point in favor of them both living imo. Hawks made an offer to help Jin start over, but rescinded that offer and immediately went for the kill the moment Jin showed signs of resistance. This was Keigo's biggest failure as both a hero and as an individual, and something he has yet to atone for.
In turn, Himiko believes there are no second chances-- that her only options are death or being locked away forever. So, she chooses death. She needs someone to offer her a third option.
The set up is there.
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There's also the matter of Keigo and Himiko both stating that they want an "easier world" as their core motivation, and both of them state that they want to be the ones who help make that world.
Their goals only sound simplistic on the surface and serve as a mask for their respective traumas, but... ultimately, a world that's easier for Himiko to live in (where she is consensually given blood by someone who loves her and she is allowed to give her blood back to the world in return) is a world where heroes can finally take it easy-- because it's a world that nips the endless creation of its own "villains" in the bud, through unified acts of compassion and understanding.
Both characters have caused others intense pain and hurt others in their attempts to take shortcuts to the creation of an "easier world"-- Hawks is the hero that's "too fast," and Himiko is also associated with her near-supernatural speed. They're both too impatient and want the quickest possible results. Having both Himiko and Keigo living and learning the "right way" to create their ideal world-- and then, getting to be a part of that world as they both continue to atone-- feels much more meaningful than having one or both of them die before they can see that future reach fruition.
2. The Big, Suicidal Elephant in the Room
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The majority of the LOV members all struggle with suicidal ideation-- Touya wants to set everything Endeavor ever chose over him ablaze, and he wants that inferno to also serve as his funeral pyre. Tomura has got a dissertation's worth of issues regarding his own mortality and self-perception/identity, and his whole "let's-just-destroy-it-all/we-don't-need-a-future-actually-lol" schtick has always been a symptom rather than a legit proposal for a cure. Himiko wants to disappear into the identities of the people she loves, because the world treats her a little more kindly when she isn't "Toga Himiko." The LOV trio's arcs all revolve around "death of the self" to some degree. (That said... resurrection and rebirth are also heavy themes within Tenko, Touya, and Himiko's arcs, soooo....)
Keigo also struggles with suicidal ideation and places the worth of his own life far, far, faaaaar below that of everyone else.
This has already been said, and shouldn't really need to be said in the first place, but-- people have every right to feel uncomfortable and criticize a story that attempts to validate suicidal characters by portraying their suicide in a noble/redemptive light.
Next!
3. It's All About All Mi-- Err..... Tomie?
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"I was fine with that-- not saving her, turning my back on her. Me, who claims he wants to help people." - Hawks, about Tomie.
"I tried to go about things the right way" is a good line that touches on one of the core conflicts of Keigo's character: He suppresses so much of his natural instinct to do good so he can do "right."
Keigo knows in his heart of hearts that "the right way" doesn't save people like his mother, it didn't save Jin, and it's not going to save Himiko. He's been groomed into upholding the society and status quo that caused him and Tomie to nearly fall through the cracks in the first place-- and I've always found it both fascinating and sad that Keigo seems to equate choosing "the right way" (i.e. becoming a hero) to abandoning his mother. Keigo effectively being *sold* to the HPSC is what took Tomie off of the streets and gave her a roof over her head-- it gave her "a chance to start over." But Keigo doesn't seem to view this as true saving. With that in mind, his attempt to "save" Jin by essentially giving him the same offer the HPSC gave Tomie was always doomed end in failure.
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Keigo: "My mother feared punishment for harboring a criminal, so she took me and ran."
Tomie first ran out of fear of being arrested after Takami Thief was captured-- which led to both her and Keigo being homeless for an extended period of time. She ran again after Dabi/Touya threatened her for information on Keigo, this time out of fear of her son-- a son who had became synonymous with "the law" she feared so much in her eyes. She can't bear facing him after her betrayal and implicitly fears punishment/condemnation from him (even though Keigo had *no* intention of punishing her)-- Tomie readily leaves behind the "normal" home and "normal" life that Hawks obtained for her through "doing things the right way," bc the imaginary threat of punishment and condemnation is something that comes across as worse for her. This only further convinces Keigo that he failed to save his mother, even though he's the one who's being betrayed and hurt by her.
I can't help seeing similarities between Tomie & Himiko's decisions to run out of an intense fear of punishment/imprisonment, and how this inevitably ties to Keigo. Keigo subconsciously realizes that he can't truly save people like Tomie, Jin, or Himiko as "Hawks" because "Hawks" is part of the problem. He longs to save others as himself-- as "Takami Keigo" (which is why the loss of his quirk kind of has me like "👀 👀 👀 whatcha gonna do next, turkey boy...,,..👀 👀 👀" )
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As an aside, I seem to recall that transhawks made a few meta post where they talk about how there are traces of Jin's design in Tomie (esp her eyes, which have the same dead-eyed thousand yard stare) and that their resemblance is likely intentional (edit: link to one post pointing the resemblance out)-- It's not as overt, but imo, Himiko also resembles Tomie (just a little!) when she has her hair down.
Anyway! Both Jin and Himiko dying after Keigo A) has spent his whole life agonizing about how his own mother wasn't able to survive in their current society, B) has expressed guilt about how he didn't even try to save her and didn't make attempts to involve himself in her life, C) has talked at length about he wanted to be "more like Bubaigawara" and then proceeded to roleplay him, badly, for a good third of Act 3 (ohhhh boy ☠️☠️☠️), and D) had demanded that Toga be killed immediately after she arrives in Gunga, only for Ochako and Tsuyu to explicitly challenge and reject the idea that killing was the only option available.... idk, Himiko dying while Keigo does nothing would just feel massively incoherent at this point??
TL;DR The resolution to Keigo's arc currently hinges on addressing his origin, his identity, his guilt, and his ties to these three characters. Keigo feels that he failed with Tomie, and he explicitly failed with Jin-- and I personally don't think his arc can have a satisfactory ending without addressing those failures through Himiko, or without him trying to right where he went wrong by helping her in some capacity. This is a chance for him to finally follow his innate drive to do good over doing what their society dictates as "right."
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All that being said, if Hori did decide to have Hawks sacrifice himself: Hawks choosing to sacrifice himself because he wants to believe in the future that the hero kids are creating and wants to believe that children like Himiko have a place in that future feels WAAAY more tonally consistent with mha's themes than Himiko choosing to sacrifice herself because she doesn't think she has a future
One message is about healing and hope and belief, the other is about failing to truly save someone who was already suicidal from their inevitable self destruction.
MHA has been defining true saving as "going above and beyond" for hundreds of chapters now-- true saving means saving a person's heart, body, and soul. It means giving them a future. By mha's own definitions, Himiko choosing to kill herself means she wasn't saved. Pure and simple-- You can't save the heart but not the body/soul (Himiko), you can't save the soul but not the body/heart (Touya), and you can't save the body but not the heart/soul (Tomura). There's a lot more work to be done here-- but that's fine, bc MHA has never depicted true saving or true healing as some magical, instantaneous thing. (#recoverygirldni)
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madreemeritus · 6 months
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POTO adaptations analysis — Part 2 — The Phantom of the Opera (1987), by Al Guest and Jean Mathieson, starring Aiden Grennel and Collete Proctor
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Oh this goofy ass animation... here we go
Positive points:
– it's weirdly Leroux accurate
– the cellars are very well designed to be fair
– it has some cool tension scenes (for kids sure but still)
– Erik's voice acting is pretty fine
– Raoul is treated as the selfish asshole he is supposed to be 🙏🏼
– we have The Persian! Yay!
– the ending includes both the Grasshoper and the Scorpion and the heartbreaking redemption
– we have iconic Leroux Erik lines!
– Christine pities and defends Erik during most of the time 💞
– Erik's deformity is surprisingly well made, although his eyes are so weird
Negative points:
– the animation is so crappy and takes away the imersion and seriousness most of the time
– the designs are so horribleb holy shit, Christine is the most generic whatever and Raoul looks like Elvis Presley, Erik's clothes are also meh
– Daroga has the most racist and inacurate representation 🤦🏽‍♀️
– ERIK KILLS A CAT??!! Erik hates people, sure (yet he doesn't kill them just because he doesn't like them), but he is a complete Team Animal person. Look how well he treated Cesar, why he killed a cat here?! It makes no sense, Erik would never kill innocent animals
– holy shit the Masquerade scene, wtf are Christine and Raoul wearing?? and Red Death also (great for memes but as an adaptation is so WHAT??)
– PotO shouldn't be made for kids, all the nuances and sexual themes of the story are completely forgotten and the characters lose their depth
– i missed Carlotta's arc at lot
– idk if i consider this a bad point, but anyway some random dude dies in the middle of the story and The Persian accuses Erik of killing him, Erik didn't even have the time to defend himself
– Erik's past is not explained, not even briefly
Movie score: 6/10 🌕🌕🌗🌑🌑
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bonefall · 11 months
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I'm glad you're keeping the part where Thunder puts himself between Clear Sky and Grey Wing, willingly showing that he would rather die before letting Clear Sky kill his dad.
That's actually a Bones Addition. You just think it's canon because it literally should have been there from the very beginning. Thunder doesn't get between them at any point during the battle, he runs towards them only to get interrupted by 2 people trying to kill him.
First was Falling Feather, who Jackdaw's Cry then jumps on and dies fighting with, sister killing brother.
Second was Leaf, who's a diehard Clear Sky supporter and general bully.
In canon, Clear Sky stops the battle after Gray Wing says the line, non-fucking-sensically imo. Killing his BROTHER is too far, but killing someone who wasn't even attacking him? A noncombatant who said something mildly insulting? That wasn't. Rainswept Flower did the SAME thing Gray Wing did and still got bumped off for it;
“Is this worth it?” he heard Clear Sky hiss at Rainswept Flower. Scrambling to her paws, she faced him. “What do you mean?” Clear Sky flattened his ears menacingly. “Are you ready to die just to stop me from making borders?” Rainswept Flower curled her lip. “You’ll keep stealing land as long as we let you.” “Stealing land?” Clear Sky’s mew trembled with rage, “I’m just making sure my cats never starve.” Rainswept Flower’s gaze flitted around the lush slopes of the hollow. “How could any cat starve here? There’s so much. Wanting more is just greedy!” “How dare you!” With a snarl, Clear Sky leaped for her, grabbing her throat between his jaws. Her paws flailed desperately, lashing out at thin air as he shook her like prey. Then she hung still. Clear Sky dropped her, gazing coldly at her lifeless body. “You never understood. I’m not greedy. I’m just strong.”
-The First Battle, Chapter 20
Then in Clear Sky's pathetic wet beast scene, he stares down at Rainswept's corpse, and thinks "I was so angry I don't remember killing her :("
So how, exactly, does this same character keep his cool when Gray Wing says the same shit but worse?? Is he really so controlled by emotion that his logical processes flip off, or fucking not? Gray Wing was refusing to submit, lunging at him, calling him power hungry and taunting him that he would kill his own littermate for it, and THAT manages to get through Clear Sky's blood-poisoned head?
"ouuugh it's his brotherr that's why his personality completely changes for him" the fucking guy tried to have this same brother murdered in Sun Trail by Fox. The first book. He EXILED HIS OTHER BROTHER for having a broken leg because he, "didn't want to look biased"
Again; is he controlled by his fear and anger or not? Is this a man who would snap the neck of someone he cares about because he feels insulted, or not?
The answer is that the Erins are breaking their spines bending over backwards to try and keep him "redeemable" when he shouldn't be. He's whatever the plot needs him to be, but the most consistent character traits point towards Clear Sky being the kind of person who would never have wanted to change his ways.
So, they write Clear Sky ridiculously backing down for Gray Wing, calling off the battle and "coming to his senses" instead of having Thunder do WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE and jump to his REAL dad's defense.
This is what I mean when I mention how firmly I feel that Clear Sky's Redemption Arc was a mistake. He works best as a villain, a fearful, proud, controlling monster, understood by his impacts on other characters rather than as a person the story should concern itself with sympathy for.
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rosetintmyworld84 · 6 months
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I feels cheap, is the thing
So on the whole for OFMD season 2, episodes 1-5 were perfect, and episodes 6-8 felt rushed, and any plot points that weren't part of the Stede and Eddie show were seriously pushed to the wayside. Think about all the scenes featuring the rest of the crew, in moments that aren't about Ed and Stede in episodes 6, 7, and 8. They are incomplete. I think ultimately we can blame WB for that, since there are less episodes this season. But that finale should have been much longer.
***OFMD Season 2 Spoilers under the cut***
They were trying to go for an epic battle, and instead we got a handful of fight scenes, everyone running away, and Izzy being shot and dying almost as an after thought.
I'm not really going to get into whether or not he should have been killed (he really shouldn't, because killing a character off just after all the massive character development for their redemption is cheap and overused and I thought OFMD was better than that), but it should have had way more of an impact. On everyone. Not just Ed. Because that was kind of the whole point of Izzy's arc this season, moving beyond Ed and finding family and belonging with the rest of the crew. HE'S THE NEW FREAKIN UNICORN FOR GOD'S SAKES! They should be EFFECTED by his death. And his final words shouldn't be consoling Ed, and telling him that he has friends now. For that scene, it should have been Izzy being fatalist and maudlin (you're born alone, you die alone), and ED telling him he has family, that HE was loved. Even Stede seems kind of unbothered about Izzy dying. For all that "Ed, Stede, and Izzy's arcs are tied together" it sure seems like Izzy became an after thought.
But again, ultimately everything felt incredibly rushed, and because of that we get half a plot. Think back to season 1, where we had a full season long arc of Jim/Oluwande, where they were basically the basis of the B plots for almost the whole season, sort of being a mirror to the main romance. So far in season 2 we get Jim and Olu getting new love interests, kind of? There was the beginnings of relationship development through episode 5, and then it just kind of stopped. Because we kind of stopped spending any real amount of time with anyone that wasn't Ed and Stede. We don't get the deep dives into the rest of the crew. We don't get something like the growth of the Black Pete/Lucius relationship over multiple episodes, without it being forgotten or overwritten (literally the entire plot of Izzy's relationship with the crew of the Revenge and Stede). Frenchie and Jim, integral in the first 3 episodes are afterthoughts. Roach, Black Pete, and Wee John are barely in the episodes.
We get some moments, but they aren't connected to anything else happening. It is all planting and no payoff. It's Buttons becoming a seagull to just make a weird cameo at the end. It's Stede leaving piracy with Ed after NO conversation at all. It's the crew riding off with Zheng and Spanish Jackie, and WHO THE HELL IS CAPTAINING THIS SHIP? It's the Republic of Pirates still under occupation, because they didn't do the big damn hero thing.
And I get it, they weren't sure if they'd get a season 3 so they wanted everything wrapped up, but the plot suffers for it. It's an amputated story, where nothing feels earned, or completed. There was more narrative weight tot he death of Karl the seagull than Izzy Hands.
I mean why have him make the speech about belonging, if no one seems to care that he dies?
All of this to give more air time to Ed/Stede, and they still didn't really complete that either. Things I loved about the finale, the opening with Ed totally not knowing how to do any actual fishing work, parallel to episode 1 at Jackie's with the occupation, Zheng getting used to failing, Izzy being a legend, and badass montage. Just really wish they'd have actually done something with this episode other than looking kind of cool.
I wish the last 3 episodes had the time they needed to breath and be full episodes, but here we are.
Anyways, the great thing about fandom is ignoring canon when we want, or fixing it, so I'm going to need lots of fic filing in the grieving of the crew, and also seagull Buttons raising Izzy from the dead on my desk by next week.
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azems-familiar · 1 year
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any thoughts on Cal's embracing the darkness? specifically...darkside!cal/bode.....👀
oh BOY do i have thoughts, actually. for both of these. i'm actually currently working on a fic (sitting at a little over 5k and probably going to be ~10k when it's done) which goes AU on Nova Garon and involves Cal fighting Bode there.
thoughts on Cal falling in general: yes, absolutely, i am so here for it, i love corruption arcs and i feel like this one is really well-built. from the beginning of the game we see how he's been struggling, how he's gotten darker and darker over the gap - he no longer reaches out to Ninth Sister (that it's time to set you free line right before he murders the shit out of her made me GASP), he's been working with Saw (who we know to use a lot of unsavory methods to the point that it got him disowned from the greater rebel alliance), he's been alone (which he never handles well At All). he consistently chooses to fight even when he shouldn't, he's not letting go of anything, he's gotten desperate. it makes sense. to me, Cal is the kind of person who pretends he's fine until he absolutely cannot anymore, whether that's hiding injuries or willfully refusing to realize he can't cope with things emotionally, and i feel like that's fairly well supported by the fact that the rest of the found family has each gone their own ways because they needed to make strides forward for themselves they couldn't while they were with him, no matter how much they love him, and because they can't help him until/unless he wants to be helped.
Cal also doesn't handle betrayal well, on top of Cere's death being the second time he's lost a master. to me, it's no surprise that he completely snaps on Jedha, and i think his fall is reinforced by a) the massacre on Nova Garon b) the fact that he outright refuses to listen to/understand Bode. Cal i think has a very black and white worldview due to his trauma and his youth in which he sees the Empire as a monolith and puts the crimes of the Empire onto every single person who serves it, and he struggles to understand why people would give in rather than choose to fight. i think we spend the game with him watching him run more and more on anger against the Empire as well as his desperation for Tanalorr, and that anger becomes more and more selfish until we get the snap on Jedha. honestly i think with the way the early game was written, even if Cere hadn't died, he would've still fallen, just possibly not when he did. it's been building up to that.
(i also love redemption arcs, i will say, but for a truly satisfying redemption arc you have to hit rock bottom first, and i want to push Cal there.)
in terms of fallen!Cal/Bode - also very much for this. part of this is just because i think the two of them killing people as fallen Jedi together is attractive and also what they deserve <3 but honestly narratively i think it just... works. mostly we'd just need Cal to work through his anger at the betrayal and actually properly understand why Bode did what he did (which is what i'm working on in the oneshot i'm writing), and to find a solution for everything that assuages Bode's paranoia. i do also think that with time, Bode could be convinced to return to fighting the Empire, especially if he knew Kata would be safe while he did it, but he's been through a lot and he's not there yet. but it's very clear that he doesn't like the Empire (only working with the ISB because he sees it as the only way to keep Kata safe), and i think it's also quite clear that he cares a great deal about Cal and didn't want to betray him at the point he did, but that he saw it as a choice between Cal's safety and Kata's safety and the latter had to be his highest priority. i absolutely don't think he'd find fallen!Cal any kind of turn-off, let's be real here, and honestly it's a dynamic i want to explore more of, maybe in AUs or something? i'm tossing around an inquisitor!Bode enemies to lovers au concept that might eventually turn into a fic at some point...
i may have gone slightly off topic here. anyway my thoughts on these are Yes, Yes, and More Yes, also i will go into an explanation of why i think Cal is actually fallen and not just struggling if people want. and also my final thought is that the Dagan parallel in this game is actually Cal and i will expand on this if asked to
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bonebabbles · 9 months
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So since my rose-colored Gray Wing glasses have been torn of my face and stomped into tiny pieces, I’m now wondering if my perception of Clear Sky’s arc is also skewed. I thought his redemption arc was well done (until Star Flower came back) because he was sincerely trying, wasn’t expecting forgiveness, and (unlike a lot of redemption arcs) was not forgiven by most of the characters right away because of how bad his actions were. Until he got with Star Flower, I thought his redemption arc was damn near perfect. Do I have on rose-colored glasses for his redemption arc?
Clear Sky's "redemption arc" is one of the most incompetent bits of writing that has ever blighted the entire series and I promise you I'm not doing hyperbole. It is so bad that it drags down everything it touches, including Gray Wing, Thunder, Acorn Fur, and the entire concept of StarClan.
And, unfortunately, both things you cited there absolutely did not happen, I am going to have to eat your glasses. I'm gonna munch. I'm gonna cRUNCH
"He was sincerely trying"
He wasn't. He just stopped actively shredding random people on his border and then whines that he's "Trying So Hard," using it as yet another guilt trip tactic because he's still an abuser.
The SECOND anyone gives him any criticism (FOR BRINGING A WIFEBEATER INTO HIS CLAN MIND YOU), he twists the fact they're supposed to "forgive him" against them, starts calling Gray Wing slurs for having asthma, and gets offended at a warning while huffing, "no one tells me what to do!"
Like a big fucking baby
And he only let Tom into his clan (even implying he's not a REAL cat because he's fat + an ex-kittypet) because he promised he could show him how to "fight dirty."
AND ALSO he is fully aware that this man kidnapped children in a previous book; but Blazing Star completely forgets major details of the previous three books in a way that is absolutely unacceptable. You are practically reading a new continuity.
"He was not forgiven by the other characters right away"
He was. He was literally, immediately forgiven in the very opening of Blazing Star. By Gray Wing and Thunder, because the narrative decided that Everyone Is Responsible.
Even back in First Battle, right after the fight ends we get a line that gives Bramblestar a run for his money. "WE let it get too far." The narrative even scrambles for some reason to make a woman responsible and grabs Tall Shadow for some fucking reason.
Acorn Fur doesn't even mention that CLEAR SKY WAS STARVING HER FATHER before she decides to move in with him, because she would miss her parents too much on the moor... those parents who just died. In the battle Clear Sky started.
Everyone immediately forgives him and kisses his butt because "The guilt will hurt him more than any actual consequences :((( He was just under so much pressure of leading guys.... which is why he should continue to lead............"
I've actually had a hard time continuing my reread because I've actually been fucking enraged at how Thunder is swooning over his daddy "finally looking at him" uwu
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This is painted like a good thing. This is a sweet and nice thing that finally, the abusive ghoul who shoved his face into a festering wound and said he shouldn't have been born just before trying to kill him and all of his friends 'respects him.' Oh Joyous Day Yippee Hooray!
How this ruins the other characters
It destroys Gray Wing because it makes ALL this dogshit behavior that he displayed for the first three books correct. In spite of how GOD awful this "Redemption Arc" is, you are supposed to believe that there is good "deep down" within Clear Sky. That all of this abuse apologia was wisdom. Gray was, and IS, right to take every insult and understand it as humility, and the Clear Sky on the page is actually a Good Boi who Really Does Love His Clan.
It ruins Thunder because even after ALL of that physical and emotional abuse and neglect, he's still supposed to honor Clear Sky as "You'll always be my father." These destructive impulses to want his approval are good and natural in this narrative, not something to confront or fundamentally question.
Fuck, just look at the Tom Redemption. The writers LOVE abusive parents. Even if they beat the shit out of your mom, get her killed, kidnap you, and had no part in raising you, "they still love you and would die for you." Tom's Redemption and Clear Sky's Redemption are just different lines in the same song.
Acorn Fur moves in with the guy who held one of her parents hostage and ultimately got both of them killed
And STARCLAN forms to "tell clear sky what to do," because in the baffling Fear vs Greed Dichotomy this series thinks is some kind of thesis, Clear Sky was just "afraid," not "greedy," and that means his fucked up little head can be fixed by the comfort a religious force can bring. He wasn't abusive because he loves having power over people, the thing that is right there on the page, nope, he really was just worried about death or responsibility or something.
This isn't even getting to the person he is in later material. He's a MONSTER in Moth Flight's Vision, as if his growth never happened.
And this is taking him all at face value-- in a meta sense, the sheer amount of female characters that get brutalized just for his man pain is legitimately dizzying. 2 mates die, 2 innocent women slaughtered, a child beaten and another starved to death, and even pregnant Star Flower gets pinned to the ground and licked on the face as her assaulter talks about how much he wanted her as a mate
This is the worst arc in the entire Warrior Cats franchise and it is spinning on the crap-axis that is Clear Sky's 'redemption'.
The arc is bad BECAUSE it is working towards this idea, that the best villain the series ever wrote has to become the writer's Poor Little Meow Meow halfway through 6 books, so we can get to our regularly scheduled Born Evil Foreigner Villains Who Hate Love And Friendship.
Imagine TPB but Fireheart cries that self defense against Clanborn cats makes you Just As Bad, Tigerstar was just scared or something, and you get two Diet Scourges. That's DOTC.
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1, 2, 8, 15, 18, 20 and 23 for Nozel, if it's okay (since he was already asked).
MORE BRAIDBOY okay let's goooo
1. Why do you like or dislike this character?
The general theme of this post will be: I like him, because he makes one think, and is a complex, well thought out character. And I like exploring his softer side too, especially since we don't see it a lot in canon.
He's one of The Poor Little Meow Meows of this fandom, but I mean that in the positive sense.
You kinda wanna slap him and hug him at the same time /lh (or maybe nip that hairclip off of his braid, comb his hair back with one's fingers and kiss him, as he's looking surprised, a bit appalled, and confused)
Anyways... he's just neat. I'm writing this post from the last point to thee first, so I know what I've written into the following points ^^'
He's someone who deserves retribution, and is trying to own up to his mistakes. And I want to see how the Silva redemption arc plays out
2. Favorite canon thing about this character?
The complexity of his character. He's someone who... has had the very best intentions, but had no tools to handle the situation in which he was placed. He has done bad things, but he is a good person.
He just doesn't want to loose anyone else again
8. What’s something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you despise?
"Nozel deserves to die for how he treated Noelle!" "He's a shitty human being and he should [get treated in a horrendous way]" (sometimes including get treated horribly by Noelle) "He should think that Noelle died, so that he'd REALLY FEEL AWFUL"
Basically... just completely ignore the nuances of the story and write Nozel off as someone who is unworthy of redemption. There is a reason why I have a "Nozel protection squad" tag on my blog. As in, no one is saying that Nozel has done the right thing, because... he hasn't!? And his intention doesn't justify the means, but there is so much more to the story than just a shitty older brother.
He did bad things, but he isn't a bad person. And this is actually a rather complicated theme for a show that's aimed at teens/young adults (which is also why I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see this phenomenon). But I'd wish that it'd make people think. To see different aspects of the story.
Tabs has written the Silvas very well, and to brush off so much of the narrative is just... I don't like it.
15. What’s your favorite ship for this character? (Doesn’t matter if it’s canon or not.)
Hm, hm... I mean, prefer my mutuals' OC ships with him over any other (including my own oc ship, which I created 'cause I thought Nozel needs cuddles). Because they hit that right spot for me, but if we talk about canon characters (the ship being non-canon ones still because... they just are, there's no proved canon ship for him), I guess I like... Nozessa the best.
Dorothy is more of a good friend to Nozel (or a therapist, of a kind) than a companion/spouse, and I think that the relationship (in the word's extended meaning) is important just as it is. So, out of the options, I'd say Nozel x Vanessa to be my favourite between canon characters. (As said, I, personally, like oc pairings for him the most)
18. How about a relationship they have in canon with another character that you admire?
I really love the mother-son relationship he had with Acier (but also the angst that comes/came with it, and I applaud Tabs for the decisions he made). Acier really was the best mom, and she was raising a little gentleman, who since then wanted to protect his siblings, since he couldn't protect his mom.
Poor boy...
But I really, really like the mother-son relationship between Nozel and Acier from the little things we've seen
20. Which other character is the ideal best friend for this character, the amount of screentime they share doesn’t matter?
I really do think that he's best friends with Fuegoleon. So their friendship parallels (in a way) that of Asta and Yuno. And I think that they really could connect in such a wonderful manner if Nozel just let down his guard a little bit. By which I mean: talk! Really talk. Discuss. About things that aren't work related.
They're of similar age. Come from similar places in the society, so they have a lot of understanding for each other's struggles. They have similar job descriptions. There's so many similarities in their lives that they could really lend an ear to one and another.
23. Favorite picture of this character?
Smiling Nozel, as a treat
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About the backpeddled HEA thing, which could very much happen, I would honestly prefer him to be killed off. I've lived through too many things I've enjoyed being vague and up in the air because the creators just NEVER have the balls to write a concrete and full ending. "Interpet as you wish" can be creative, but 90% of the time it's a cop out to avoid mean tweets or whatever, I'm tired of that trope. "Leon living with you-choose happily" is.. so fucking unsatisfactory for such a huge name. Let him go out in a bang and die for something he cares about. Make it his biggest personal challenge. Let him learn something about himself and then let him go entirely.
I know you're not saying that HEA will happen, that it's unlikely even but by god... like half or more of the things I enjoy go with the vague bullshit and it just ruins characters and stories for me completely.
And in context with Leon? He unfortunately... can't really have a happy ending. Yeah, he makes us sad, but walking away into the sunshine forevermore is completely unrealistic for his character arc. It won't happen. Not for Chris either. I think he'll eventually be a self-sacrifice kill tbh, hopefully after somebody has the spine to make Valenfield kiss beforehand lmao.
lmao you recently beat FFXVI didn't you
But Chris can't die per Rose's DLC, so we already know that Chris has to live through whatever "ending" is given to the legacy cast.
And more and more I really feel like Leon doesn't deserve a hero's death. In both senses of the word "deserve."
He hasn't earned a hero's death because he didn't live as a hero. He lived as a tool and a coward who refused to take control of his own fate.
And he doesn't deserve a hero's death in the sense that he didn't do anything wrong to deserve death at the end of his arc. There's no redemption in death because he doesn't need redeeming.
Giving Leon death isn't closure. If Leon died a hero's death, that would mean that the first real decision he's made for himself since escaping Raccoon City at age 21 was to die.
And that feels really shitty. That's not catharsis. That's a character who spent his whole arc being punished for doing nothing wrong, then punished himself even though he did nothing wrong, and then died without ever having had a chance to live even though he did nothing wrong.
If Leon manages to wake his ass up and break his own chains, he should live to see the full extent of the consequences for that -- whatever they might be. His reward for doing it shouldn't be death.
But at the same time...
I also don't trust the Capcom writing staff to come up with anything better, either.
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Feel free not to answer this because to do so would be equivalent to walking into the lions den.....But do you think the extent that max is mourning Billy in the promos is the show acting like Billy was some sort of Martyr? I think that max mourning him makes complete sense because people mourning their abusers is a documented thing, and often times they morn even harder because they feel guilty for not being sad enough at the death of their abusers. Add in how he literally died (I think Billy is an unrepentant asshole who never tried to make up for his past actions but I still think how he died is awful) actually doing something good for once would mess her up even more about it
I think this has the possibility of being a great story arc. One of my biggest complaints with season 3 was that Max's sudden concern for Billy didn't make sense. I also thought that Billy was not redeemed, specifically because he died trying to protect El, not Max. This all has the opportunity to finish what season 3 started.
Max mourning him isn't silly, at all. Regardless of how he treated her, he was still family. Max may be mourning the person he could have been, or maybe the person she liked to pretend he was. Without Billy, she may also be getting the worst of Neil's wrath, so she may also be regarding him as someone who protected her in a way. The human mind is a terribly fragile thing. I can only speculate as to why Billy's death hit Max as hard as it did, but I can also imagine we'll find out more in just a matter of weeks.
Billy was an asshole, yes, but he was also the product of abuse himself. We shouldn't forget that anymore than we should forget his horrible behavior. We got to see glimpses of the terrified boy Billy must have been before he put on the aggressive mask to protect himself from his father. I do think Billy's breakdown in the sauna was legit, up until the Mindflayer took direct control. Without the ability to intimidate his enemy, he was a trembling child. We only ever saw the Mindflayer and Neil make him act like that. I think, in a way, Billy fighting back against the Mindflayer was like finally standing up to his dad for him. I just wish he did so defending Max.
It wouldn't have redeemed Billy for what he had done, but it would have shown that the boy he could have been was still in there somewhere. It would have been the hope that, had he survived, that Billy could have eventually developed and earned real redemption.
With Stranger Things being the sci-fi/horror masterpiece it is, it's not outside the realm of possibility that we'll see more of Billy. Perhaps he can earn some redemption from beyond the grave. As horrible as it may seem to some, I do think that abuse victims who become abusers need the opportunity to atone and grow. Billy may not be able to do so in life anymore, but maybe he can in death. And, perhaps, he can do so by helping Max not only survive season 4, but also help her find peace with him, herself, and everything in between.
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I have so many conflicted thoughts like
Yeah the movie was on fire and the beginning was just so hard to watch. Poor Peter.
But I'm confused about if Osbourne is there from before he was killed and Doc Octopus is also there from before he was killed
THEN WHY COULDNT GWEN BE HERE FROM BEFORE SHE WAS KILLED !!
I get that this was Tom's movie and not Andrew's but can you imagine if they had not only Tom trying to do good by the villains and save them but IF ANDREW HAD A STAKE IN IT TOO BECAUSE HIS GWEN IS ALIVE AND JUST GETTING HER HOME WOULD MEAN SHE DIES AGAIN LIKE NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And if the villains and Andrew and Tobey were pulled then shouldn't the Aunt Mays be there as well
And Kirsten Dunst !
Overall I kind of like the redemption arc they had with the villains even if most of them had it forced onto them rather than choosing it willingly
Although I dont want to dwell too much on the many implications like for example apparently we do not stick to whatever happened happened because these villains were sent back to their universes and they were cured so .. not villains anymore so that means that they won't fight or die anymore. Meaning what exactly for their universes I dont know... and on the other hand Harry and Gwen are still dead so ... make of that what you will..
But still it made for some seriously - and surprising - character beats and development. Coming from a superhero movie that's worth noticing
And most of them coming from Andrew, easily the MVP of the movie. Man his Peter was just *chef's kiss* it really shows and emphasizes what we lost when TASM was cancelled
The raw emotion whenever Gwen was present in spirit. In BOTH scenes. Man I was crushed when he confirmed she's still dead. You can see it still hurts and he just effortlessly makes us feel it too. Instantly. Andrew deserves a nod for his acting there
Actually we really need to recognize the skill there because he spent like a year or so telling the world that NO IM NOT IN THAT MOVIE NOBODY CALLED ME ABOUT IT I DONT KNOW NOTHING BOUT IT and we believed him !
Also it's a bit awful to say and God knows she wouldn't want him to stay single but Andrew being still single because he's still not completely over Gwen was kind of fitting. I think it would have lessened the impact if he'd said he was with Shailene's Mary Jane. Really him being single was the best way for everyone (see next point)
Also wow I can't believe they let him say so many of these innuendos and hints at him being the most open and bisexual of the three Spidermen. He really got the last laugh and I hope he had the time of his life doing it
Him being the most effusive and hugs all the way and oh um let me get like really close to you Mister Older Peter Parker let me get behind you... like that ... and get like ... this close and I can hug you and get some physical male contact ... um yeah under the guise of cracking your back. Real subtle
It's nice to also get some update on Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane. Still messy haha but they look like solid.
The tiny references to Harry noooooo
And then Andrew just refrains from speaking about his Harry !!
I think on the other hand that its a bit sad that Tom was a bit overshadowed by such an assembly of characters from the SM lore. Tom is a gifted talented actor and I'm 100% sure he's totally capable of carrying a movie the likes Tobey and Andrew had. So I can't really understand why Marvel decided that his movies always needed some additional "backup"
Let's face it. Most people - a large part at least - wanted to see this movie because of Andrew and Tobey. They hold THAT kind of power. Marvel clearly bet on that holdover they still have. I just think it's just a bit disappointing for Tom because he's almost reduced from THE lead to one of the leads in what essentially becomes an ensemble movie.
I clearly did not expect Andrew and Tobey to feature so prominently or to have such extended roles. I thought Strange would pull them at the very end in a cameo sort of way. Like they kept saying no I'm not in it please stop asking and I thought well maybe they have not been called YET. Maybe they'll get a call very late for a shoe-in at the last minute. When they were in fact in more than HALF THE MOVIE ! When they DID in fact get the call and YES THEY WERE IN THE MOVIE. AND NOT JUST FOR ONE SCENE
Similarly it was not worth speculating so much on MJ or Ned because they were even more reduced in importance than Tom was. Luckily the relationships are still strong but MJ falling was clearly for Andrew more than it was about MJ or Tom.
And Ned having magic powers is just brushed off I guess
And him betraying Peter - they even threw some foreshadowing line - just didn't happen
The ending though was very good. While Andrew didn't have the chance to have a real good epilogue, this one here reminded me a lot of Tobey's original ending which was both quietly understated but hopeful at the same time. Here Tom plays it marvelously with MJ and Ned and you can't help but feel that yeah it's going to be OK. Eventually. At some point. So to me that's a wonderful way to cap the trilogy. Can't say that the MOVIE feels like a finale but the ending, yeah. They nailed it
And of course Marvel is gonna find a way to ruin it by scheduling 10 more Spiderman movies. I wish they could actually stop that. It just ruins the emotional impact.
Overall I'm kind of sick of Marvel. There's really a point where too much becomes too much.
But this was wild and really I'm not gonna hide that seeing Tobey and Andrew felt really good. Their presence was 99% a given and I'd seen some stuff like yesterday *I got so angry* but I really tried to refrain from any kind of social media and spoilers and rather than IF they were there it was the HOW they were there that I got to really enjoy
Oh and I have to say it. Haven't seen Homecoming nor Far From Home looooool
Oh yeah and one more thing but Michael Giacchino paying homage to the other composers by writing in Danny Elfman and James Horner in his own composition was just aaaaaaaah so good to hear. Electro's theme from Hans Zimmer was also there. On the other hand I can't remember if Spidey's theme from Zimmer was there too ... glad I didn't listen to the soundtrack in advance because that would have spoiled everything
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I'm going to post this on tumblr instead of wattpad cause I'm like that, but this will be a collection of fanfic one shots from Draco's perspective giving him a redemption arc cause he deserves! Please let me know if you do want more after this.
The Train:
Eleven year old Draco Malfoy was standing on Platform Nine and Three Quarters hoping for a glimpse at the boy who lived. He like everyone else in the Wizarding world had grown up hearing his name. The story was one of legend and he wondered if Harry remembered it all. He was interrupted in his thoughts by two rambunctious red headed boys who brushed past him laughing loudly. He heard his father give a sniff of disapproval.
He pitied the boys even though he knee nothing about them. His father, Lucius Malfoy, was notorious for making sure none of his enemies were around to stop him. Draco had always wondered about the company his parents kept much perfering to stay in his room whilst they had any  visitors at all.
"Draco darling," that was his mother. He sauntered over to where she was and listened to what she had to say. "Draco remember no matter what happens at school your father and I love you very much. We will write you as soon as we get home and eagerly await your owl. Chin up, back straight. Malfoys and Blacks do not slouch."
Nodding his head Draco says "Yes mother. I love both of you too. And I can't wait to see the castle with the lake and my classes. Mom, do you think people will like me? What if I can't make any friends? I don't want to hang out with Blaise or Crabbe and Goyle or Pansy. They're mean and stuck up to people."
"Just be yourself darling and remember what I told you. Go see your father." Mrs. Narcissa Malfoy, formerly known as Black, was a thin woman who demanded respect when she walked into a room. No one ever knew what she was thinking, but one thing they knew was she loved her family dearly. She would do anything to keep her son safe and away from harm.
Draco walks over to his father. "Draco, while you're at Hogwarts please try to remember we are not like the others. We are of noble blood and we must be treated as such. Do not let others get you down. You are a Malfoy and the name of Malfoy has demanded respect for centuries. Do not mess it up. Have fun at Hogwarts, but do not forget what I have told you. Get on the train."
Mr. Lucius Malfoy did not have the best childhood and when Narcissa became pregnant he vowed to protect his son from harm. He did this by only letting him intermingle with those of his own kind. Pureblood was what Draco was so pureblood it was. He made sure his son had a normal childhood. Well as normal as he would let him.
After hugging and kissing his mother and shaking hands with his father Draco runs excitedly onto the train waiting to see if he could make any friends before he even got to Hogwarts. After looking into one compartment on the train he shies always from that one. It had really tall, really loud people in it! He didn't want that at all.
Another compartment had only girls. His only experience with girls his own age had been Pansy and he wasn't eager to find out if all girls were like her. She was enough to deal with. He wanted a group of guy friends. Crabbe and Goyle did what he said because his father was the boss of their fathers. They weren't his friends. They had to do whatever he said and he didn't like it. He wanted to have stimulating conversations like he had with his mother over tea.
Whenever Pansy and her parents came over she was so mean to the poor house elves Draco always went and apologized for her behavior. The house elves were sad to see him go off to school, but they were excited too.
Draco was not excited to leave his only friends behind. His parents had always taught him to look down on the house elves, but he was nice to them in secret. He didn't feel nice knowing he had to be mean to people. Elves were just like witches and wizards only different and way way shorter.
"Excuse me. Coming through. Lee has a trantula for us to look at. Budge along." It was the two rambunctious red headed boys who had brushed him going onto the platform. When they got to where Draco was their patient look turned sour.
The one on the right looked at the one on the left and said "Pardon me your Highness. Will you let us pass to get to our compartment?" Draco didn't like the tone he used. He wasn't doing anything wrong. The train hadn't even started to move yet!
"Oh yeah," Draco pressed himself up against the wall to let the two pass. He didn't like these two and hoped he wouldn't have to interact with them in class. They looked older though like they were definitely not first years. In fact all of these people looked a lot older than he was.
Draco was starting to get scared and started to stumble along the long, velvet carpeted, hallway separating the compartments from the platform.
With each peek into a compartment, he was getting worried. He had yet to see any people who looked like first years. At one compartment he saw Crabbe, Goyle, and Pansy and immediately lurched past with his head down.
Shaken up at seeing them he stepped into a random compartment and was relieved to see a round faced brown haired boy with a toad sitting next to him. This boy looked like a first year like him.
"May I sit down?" Draco asked politely.
The boy looked to Draco and jumped in surprise. "Yes, yes you can. My name is Neville Longbottom and this is Trevor." He gestured to the tod sitting next to him. "Sit down and close the compartment please, Trevor might escape like he's tried four times already."
Grinning at the warm greeting, Draco complied. He stuck out his hand and said, "I'm Draco Malfoy. It's really nice to meet you Neville! I hope we can be friends!"
At the name Malfoy, Neville shot up in his seat in alarm. "M-mal-malfoy?! As in the Death Eaters?!" He started to fidget and panic.
Draco looked at the poor boy in utter confusion. "Former Death Eaters. Are you okay Neville?"
Eyes wide in fright Neville grabs Trevor and huddles at the furthest edge of the compartment. Away from Draco as if he had a disease. Draco wanted to cry. Here was a first year boy who looked terrified of him because of his name. He didn't understand why Neville was so scared. His parents weren't Death Eaters anymore and they only did it because He - Who - Must - Be - Named made them! All he wanted was a real friend!
Draco on the verge of tears turns to go. As soon as he opens the door he's met with a mane of brown, frizzy, bushy hair. He falls backwards in shock and hears a whimper from Neville.
"Hello. Everywhere else is full. They're about to depart so would you mind letting me into the compartment they would be wonderful." The bushy haired girl says with authority. "I would like to be seated when the lurch is felt. Excuse me."
She pushes past him and Draco stands up and when he's turned around the scene he looks at is chaotic.
Neville stands up to leap after Trevor, who with the door open, makes his way hopping faster than Draco expected towards freedom.
All else forgotten Neville screams "Grab him!" The bushy haired girl lunges for the toad and misses. Now it's Draco's turn to redeem himself in Neville's eyes. He too lunges for the toad and manages to grasp his left hind leg before he falls flat on his face his grip loosening on the toad who hope away unaware of the chaos he is about the cause.
Neville's face is distraught. "My great uncle Algie gave me Trevor when I got accepted into Hogwarts. See they didn't expect me to get in. I didn't show any signs until I got pushed off the Blackwell Pier. They expected me to drown, but I didn't!"
Draco and the girl exchange concerned glances. Draco knows that any Wizarding family will have almost all of their family members accepted unless they're a Squib and he's sure his family tree doesn't have any Squibs.
"So you're a pureblood?" Draco says cautiously accidentally falling into the girl who just sat down as the train gives a lurch just as the girl said.
The girl huffs and moves to give Draco room to sit and he smiles gratefully at her. He's never seen her before and she seems to give off the same air he does and he wonders if she's a pureblood from another country. As she speaks again he realizes they sound the same.
"Oh purebloods! I've read about them. They're the silly witches and wizards who think that half-bloods and Muggleborns are scum. I find that absolutely atrocious as I am a Muggleborn myself," the girl turns to Draco. "My guess is you're a pureblood?"
When he nods she starts to lecture him. "You all should be ashamed of yourselves! I read that if you guys didn't marry outside of your circle you would have died out! The mindset is completely rubbish and shouldn't even be put into practice. And at a school no less!"
Neville and Draco look at her shocked. For such a tiny girl she can inflict fear into anyone with that tone. "I'm Hermione Granger. And what House do you hope to be in? Personally I want to end up in Ravenclaw or Gryffindor as Slytherin seems filled with selfish and mean people and Hufflepuff seems filled with pushovers." (please don't hate me I adore the Houses remember she is basing them off of what she read in Hogwarts: A History it was really hard to insult my own House HUFFLEPUFF for life 💛💙💚♥️ fair House representation)
At this Draco swells. "Excuse me! My whole family has been in Slytherin for centuries and I can tell you we are not selfish and mean people! We care for the greater good!" (Just so you know I do not condone this type of thinking. This is just so wrong on so many levels this is just how he was raised remember that)
Neville seems to shrink into his corner again at the last three words and Draco instantly regrets. He wants Neville as a friend and now maybe he won't want to be his friend!
Hermione turns towards him so fast her hair slaps him in the face. "You sound like Grindelwald! He sounded like you! Are you a supporter of He Who Must be Named?! They were both awful men! How can you sit there saying that when they did such horrible things!"
Fear starts to creep into his eyes. These two do not like him. He is only repeating what he's heard his parents say! Should he say that? The words pop out before he can stop them. "My parents taught me that and I'm sorry if that was wrong all I want are real friends for once! Please give me a chance!"
Hermione looks at Neville and walks over to him. They converse in hushed voices. Draco's heart begins to sink. Will they give him a chance to be their friend?! All he wants is a real friend he count on! He doesn't think he wants to be a Malfoy if this what the name gives him.
The waiting is agonizing. It seems like forever when they suddenly turn to him and Neville says, "How do we know you're not lying? Your mom's sister made my parents insane! I had to be raised by my grandma! I love her, but I miss my parents!"
Hermione rubs his back and looks at Draco. "Okay, we don't trust you, but we are willing to give you a chance. Now, please help us find Trevor. He's special to Neville and he doesn't want to start Hogwarts without him. Please help us look for him."
Draco sensing a wonderful opportunity stands eagerly and nods. "Where do you want to start? Should we split up or stay together? Personally I think we should stay together because all of those people out there are scary."
The two stare at him in shock. They were not expecting him to jump up so suddenly and agree wholeheartedly.
Hermione says split up and Neville agrees, but then Draco pointed out no one would tell him anything since almost everyone knew who he was anyway. Finally it was agreed Neville would go on his own and Draco and Hermione would ask together.
Neville heads off to the left towards the front of the train because that's where he thinks Trevor would have gone. Hermione and Draco head towards the back of the train.
The first few compartments they encounter will only tell Hermione if they saw Trevor or not and ignored Draco completely. He wants to cry. Is the Malfoy name really making people not like him?! But they don't even know him! How are they supposed to know they don't like him if they don't know him?!
The last compartment holds two boys: one very red headed and one with round glasses and black hair. Draco had learned to hang back while Hermione does the asking. When she asks, they say no. The red headed boy pulls out a wand and Draco inches closer to see a real spell done. His mother made him promise not to use his wand until his first class because he could hurt people and he agreed.
The red haired boy says something about rats, daisies and yellow. As expected the rest does not turn yellow. Hermione scoffs and then fixes the black haired boy's glasses.
When the red haired boy introduces himself as Ron Weasley, Draco wrinkles his nose. He can't help it. His father says the Weasleys are blood traitors and Mugglelovers. He was always taught they were bad, but now he's not so sure.
Then when the black haired boy says his name is Harry Potter, Draco surges forward. As he comes into view Ron turns away in disgust and he deflates a little bit. He's going to have to be careful in how he says things. "Hello! My name is Draco Malfoy and I'm also looking for Neville's toad. I'm assuming since this is the last compartment he's not here. Hermione, I'm going to head back to the compartment to see if Neville found him."
With a smile and wave goodbye he leaves the three of them stunned into silence. The smile falls off his face as he trudges with a heavy heart towards the compartment to put his robes on. He realizes he should only stick to the people he has already met and he vows to steer clear of Crabbe, Goyle and Pansy for as long as he can and since they'll be in Slytherin like him it'll be hard. He'll manage.
He puts his robes in in the empty compartment and waits for Neville and Hermione to come back. Hopefully they will since their trucks are here. Smiling to himself at the he stares out the window already imaging what fun things he can do with his new friends!
Thank you for reading it! I hope you enjoyed it!
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Game of Thrones spoilers!
Jaime deserved so much better than they gave him. He deserved to die a redeemed man even if he wasn't the one to kill Cersei he shouldn't have been the one trying to help her escape. He can still die cradling her body because I understand even redeemed he'd still hold some feelings for her but no they didn't even do that they took his redemption arc and throw it out the window just like Jaime did Bran in season one.
What was the point of Arya this episode? Like what purpose did she actually serve except to have her SEE the destruction so that she's got a reason to seek revenge against Dany for what she did?
I felt for Jon but he needs to stop thinking with his dick, although in fairness to him the show hasn't set up Dany's mad queen thing till like last week so I can't blame him for being a bit fucking surprised when she just goes all fire and blood.
Speaking of Dany I've seen some people blame her going mad on D&D and I don't think that's entirely fair. I think she will go Mad Queen in the books but I feel like it will be earned. That sort of descent into madness is a gradual thing, there might be something that makes her snap and makes it much worse but the journey to get the character from point a to point b is something that takes time and the show just has not dedicated enough time to it beyond small scenes like what she did to the Tarly's but even then that came across as her being ruthless not complete mad like she was in this episode. I guess what I'm saying is I'm not against Dany going Mad Queen I'm against HOW they chose to portray the journey there. If you are going to make the Breaker of Chains into a tyrant at least put in the leg work to get her there semi naturally rather than just having her lose Jorah and Missandei which I completely understand grief can cause this sort of behaviour but Dany has lost people before and she's normally taken her anger out on the people responsible not innocent civilians AND NEVER after they've surrendered.
I'd like to think Jorah and Ser Barriston Selmy would be disappointed in her.
Tyrion.... I mean he seemed to be the only somewhat likeable character if only because he's wanting to save as many innocent people as possible but even then he's singlehandedly the smartest and dumbest man in the room at any given time. Regardless Tyrion and Sansa for the throne (if Dany hasn't melted it already)
Oh that's another thing I'm just gonna say this Dragon fire should be so hot that you die instantly if you are under the direct impact zone and yet so many shots of guys running around on fire after being hit by Drogon. No you should be a charred corpse already. This one's a nitpick but it bugged me none the less.
The Hound.... Sandor Clegane deserved better but as it goes at least show Sandor got about as good a send off as anyone even if it is fucked up that he dies in fire... I'm gonna just say the impact killed him not the fire, the fire ended Gregor as punishment for what he did to Sandor as a child.
Am I missing anyone? I mean Varys' days were numbered anyway although interesting that both him and Littlefinger are executed at the order of the woman they'd hedged their bets on originally.
And Ygritte was in heaven saying "you know nothing Jon Snow" when Jon kept insisting Dany was his Queen. Like mate you should have went back up North with Tormund and Ghost.
Also that fucking random ass horse at the end was fucking ridiculous.
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