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devintrinidad · 3 months

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Okay, but has everyone seen the newest sneak peek for Hazbin Hotel? Goodness, Charlastor/Radiobelle Shippers are feasting come Friday! I can just feel it!

Anywhoozles, just a bit of a thought, but!

At the end of the clip, we can hear Alastor talking in a sing-song voice! Could it be... that Alastor is going to sing to Charlie?

Throughout the series, Alastor has taken part in two songs. The first being Stayed Gone and and the second being Hell's Greatest Dad. Everyone knows and has memed on the fact that Alastor doesn't start songs, rather, he finishes them with great panache (or, in the case of HGD, he was on equal footing with Lucifer with no clear winner). He waits in the shadows and picks a time to butt in and ruin the singers day.

Yet! In the clip, he sounds like he's about to sing! This is a first for the series... except, we also have seen him initiate singing at one other time...

The pilot.

And who was he specifically singing to?

Charlie.

I'm just saying, to break your rhythm, your modus operandi of singing in a show that has been based specifically off Broadway musicals (where the music and the lyrics are meant to convey specific themes and messages to enhance the story), that is saying a lot. Not only is he initiating, this is the second time he's initiating with her.

And what's more, I think we're going to have a Charlastor duet. It's just a hunch, I have nothing backing this up, but what if? Because it seems like Charlie and Alastor need to have this conversation and I don't imagine Charlie is going to sit back and take it, not when she feels so betrayed and angry as seen in the clip. She's going to sing as well.

Just a thought that I have been harboring because.

What if they sing together and harmonize??? I think that would be so awesome and sweet!

So yeah, it says a LOT when a character who hangs back to strike is the one to initiate (playfully and without intent for rebuttal or malice.. but then again, this Alastor so maybe a little bit of malice) and possibly invite the other person in the room to sing with him.

A few more thoughts under the cut:

Before I say anything, this is going to go from somewhat plausible to just a daydream, so just bear with me.

So, I saw somewhere that Viv said that Alastor's microphone is like a a part of him. Without it, he can't speak. It's basically his voicebox and probably one of his greatest treasures because what is a radio host without his voice?

The reason why I'm bringing this up because in the scene in the trailer (not this Charlastor heavy one, but like the original one before the series came out) was that Charlie was holding onto Alastor's microphone in one of the scenes.

To have someone hold onto your greatest treasure, a piece of you that you can't just share with anybody, and to couple that with the fact that you're touch repulsed???? Charlie would never ask that of Alastor, so I really hope that he gave it to her of her own free will! Maybe it seems like our dear radio host wants to make the hotel actually succeed and that's his way of showing it.

(Of course, if he wants the hotel to succeed, I am no discounting the fact that it's because he's being forced to because of that "leash" of his or that he would do it just to bring Charlie's hopes up only to watch them crumble down into the pit of failure).

A friend of mine also suspected that this scene looked like it was about to lead up to a contract between Alastor and Charlie. And who knows? Maybe that's what will happen because I don't see Alastor giving Charlie his microphone just because. There has to be a good reason for it.

Am I being delusional? Probably.

And one more thought. I did mention that there might be a contract between Alastor and Charlie. But I didn't say how.

What if it isn't Charlie isn't selling her soul to Alastor, but Alastor selling his soul to Charlie. (If this is the ultimate plan for Alastor or from the entity holding Alastor's leash, who knows, just go with it).

The reason why I'm thinking it could be Charlie is because she needs to learn how to exercise her title as Princess of Hell. We see it during numerous times in the series that she tries to exercise her authority in the series, only to be bulldozed down by other characters. Notable examples is when Adam starts singing at her in Episode One, Angel Dust interrupting Charlie's questioning of Valentino in Episode Four, etc. We even see this in the pilot when she states that Lucifer said, "Don't take shit from other demons."

In fact, she doesn't seem to command much of a presence even though she's literal royalty and probably one of the strongest beings in hell. The only person who seems to listen to her and will do what she asks is Vaggie.

And Vaggie betrayed her by not telling the truth.

So, what if she tries to exercise her authority once more. To gain control, to finally show someone (anyone and in this case, Alastor) that she does have what it takes to command others while at the same time not abusing her authority.

(This was hinted at in Episode One when she tells Angel Dust that she won't exploit his profession for a commercial)

I think for entertainment's sake, Alastor would willingly enter into a contract with Charlie. How would dear the princess handle being saddled the responsibility of commanding him? And also, the amount of trust here???

The idea that Alastor would kneel to Charlie also has me in a tizzy, not gonna lie. (Like a knight kneeling to his fair maiden hahahah).

Also, we need to knock Alastor down a peg, he's too op and a wild card.

(... Also, Charlie initiating the deal and she gets a full demonic form? Maybe? Please!)

I don't know, most of my thoughts under the cut don't make a lot of sense, but the inherent theme is this: Charlastor is getting a lot crumbs no matter the interpretation. One can only hope that Episode Seven will be heavy on the Alastor and Charlie interactions, Charlastor coded or not.

Don't take me too seriously, by the way. If you disagree, then you can simply click away. These are just random thoughts and not meant to harm.

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel charlie #hazbin hotel alastor #hh charlie #hh alastor #charlie morningstar #radiobelle #charlastor #charlastor thoughts #fanon #theories #headcanon #episode seven spoilers #episode seven sneak peek

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ianthoni · 28 days

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My hot take is that shipping and fanfiction is always fine if people stay on the hinges. There's not as many allowances for rpf (there’s always real people to consider after all). But as long as you a healthy level of attachment to it, it will be fine, this is not a show where you can make a "10 reasons X shod have ended with Y" and actually have a point, these are real people that can get hurt break up, have kids that one day will look up their parents’ names and might find what was said about them. I cannot fathom seeing a wedding announcement from someone you look up too and react with anything less than "Good for them". We know these peoples "Screen Personas" we don't get to have an opinion on how they live their lives.

I realy like to come to this blog because it fells casual and fun, i forget there are people not taking things as casual and fun.

Exactly this. That's my opinion too. You can ship people in a healthy and a place that they won't see and it is cool. Imo shipping and being happy for them is %100 better than shit talk about them and trashing their choices in life or their wedding dress/ wedding avenue etc etc. At the end of the day they won't get hurt from people saying omg they look cute but they can get sad about the fact that some people say shit to them. And that dress was fuckin GORGEOUS on Court. It was perfect. They can wear whatever the fuck they want and marry in a place they want and NO ONE has a right to talk shit. They can't. People need to learn to respect others. They are celebrities but don't forget they're humans with emotions they're not fuckin robots.

This is the same for ianthony. Ian and Anthony told it enough times that fanfics and fanarts are ok. As long as people don't go too over the top and like to start being malice to people in their life. And me and my friends around don't do that. If you don't look at their possible s/o and say oh this person is in between them and bully them honestly shipping is totally ok imo.

I sometimes see people being too harsh on shippers and it saddens me like i didn't do anything to anyone or hurt Ian and Anthony. We're just having fun in this little corner with friends and no one's gonna be hurt cause they won't even see it.

#fandom discourse #fandom wank #smosh #ian hecox #anthony padilla #shayne topp #courtney miller #rpf

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lemondonutsfromcirclek · 1 year

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let me help you botw shippers by sharing my original suspected plot

so. basically i originally was like "what if we got to fight the champions in the divine beasts?" and when i found out that wasn't how it worked i was really sad but lemme spill it on out for ya. basically the whole thing up to ruta (who should be everyone's first divine beast imo, but im using it as an example) is the same, you wake up in the shrine of resurrection, you get the paraglider from the old man, you go to kakariko and talk to impa, etc etc. but when you get into ruta (or whatever your first divine beast was) its quiet. the sos tones in the music are much more audible. you find a sign that says "go to the guidance stone and get the map. i'm trusting you, link." or something along the lines of that, and you go, and you clear out the terminals and stuff and go to the main control unit. that's where you'd fight a blight, right? wrong. mipha (or the champion of that respective beast) drops down, covered in malice, with a malice eyeball near her heart. (the eyeball locations vary for each of the champions, urbosa has one on her hand, revali's is on his head, and daruk's is on his right knuckle. these correspond to not only their ablilities but their personalities as well. ex. revali's big ego) her eyes are black and she's a lot stronger, she'll hit you with giant waves that do a lot of damage. occasionally she'll scream out something like "you can do it link" or "help" or just a general noise of discomfort, and you have to hit the eyeball and only the eyeball (if you can.) if you miss the eyeball and hit mipha she'll take damage, which is uh. not what you want, obviously. in phase 2 of her fight she'll do ice mixed in with the waves, and might dash in and spear you with the lightscale trident. when you finally clear off the eyeball's health (around 800 hp if its your first or second beast, the original of waterblight, or 1600 if its your third or fourth) it will do a very dramatic... disappearance? and the malice will go away from mipha. this triggers a cutscene, she'll fall to the ground, using her arms to break the fall n' then look up at link. he'll offer her a hand up, she'll take it and say something like this. "You know, Link, I've been waiting for quite some time... I never lost hope. I knew you'd come to save us. You must go save the others (or if fourth, "You must go save the princess,"), I'll be here, locked onto Hyrule Castle, ready to strike with Ruta at just the right moment. I'd like you to take this ability to help you. It will take a lot from me, but I can recover. I have decided to call it, "Mipha's Grace." Now, go, Link. Save the others. I'm counting on you." And then you fade away like you normally do. Now of course these dialogues, bossfights, and cutscenes vary. Maybe I'll post about the other champion bossfights later but I wanna get to after you beat Ganon. In this, there's a postgame. All of the champions (if you cleared the Beasts and freed them from the malice. If not, you've already saved them before Ganon) come to Hyrule Castle to congratulate you, come see Zelda, etc.. Now that Ganon's sealed away, the Champions can go see their successors, for lack of a better word, and these have cutscenes that will *make you cry*. The Divine Beasts are adventure-able again, and you can hang out, get any chests you missed, and really whatever you want. You can hang out with the champions in their home villages, maybe even.... do a love story (GASP but this would never be canon probably. if i make a mod for this it will happen but if not its stuck in this tumblr post.) with them. There's a lot that you could probably do, a lot of postgame potential. You could go and hang out anywhere you wanted in the Vast Region Of Hyrule(TM). anyway yeah, take that ass you will.

#botw #botw mipha #botw urbosa #botw revali #revali #botw daruk #zelda #zelda botw #breath of the wild #revalink #miphlink #zelink #sidlink #if u wanna write a fic of this i do not mind please just like. tag my tumblr or something #im sorry this is so badly written and long #art is my thing #writing is not #uhhhh what else #please add any tags i missed thank you :]

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burst-of-iridescent · 8 months

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i’ve gone back and forth a lot on whether to respond to this because the last thing i want is more discourse, but since you seem absolutely determined to put me on some sort of trial, anon, i might as well get my two cents in.

so let's talk.

one, i have said over and over again that i am more than willing to talk to anyone i may have unwittingly hurt or offended, if they came to me directly and off-anon. despite the fact that you surely knew that, since you evidently stalk my blog, you did not do so. instead, you continued to yell at me and accuse me of racism anonymously, rather than actually engaging with me. what this tells me right off the bat is you're not interested in a productive conversation. you're interested in harassing me.

two, i've talked to indigenous zutara shippers. i'm friends with indigenous zutara shippers. i've read what many native and indigenous shippers in this fandom have to say. i know shippers who like the fire lady katara trope, shippers who are indifferent, shippers who dislike it. what makes your opinion any more important than any of theirs? and conversely, what makes their opinion any more important than yours? no singular person can ever claim to speak for their entire community, because people of colour aren't one monolithic entity.

as a desi girl, katara's relationship with aang makes me uncomfortable because it is characterized by patterns of imbalanced emotional labour and misogyny that i frequently see within my own community. and it is my prerogative to dislike the ship because of that, just as it is for any other woc. but it is not my prerogative to say that no one else is allowed to ship kat.aang, or is racist or misogynistic just for shipping kat.aang (and indeed i know women of colour who do ship kat.aang! because our cultural background doesn't mean that we're automatically going to have the same experiences and perspectives, and that's valid).

so am i really supposed to listen to indigenous voices, anon, or am i simply supposed to listen to those that agree with you?

three, i won't deny that the fire lady katara trope can be racist. i've seen it executed in ways that make me profoundly uncomfortable, and which i will never support. but more often than not in zutara fandom and content, "fire lady" is simply the name chosen for the fire lord's female consort, one that denotes katara as zuko's equal and a powerful world leader in her own right with her own title. if the trope is executed problematically, that fault lies with the person who wrote it and their own ignorance/malice/racism - not with the trope itself.

personally, as someone whose people were colonized by the british, and whose home was subjected to japanese imperialism, i completely understand why it can feel extremely empowering and wish fulfilling to have woc in positions of power within the systems that oppressed them. if i saw a desi girl on the throne of england, you can bet i'd be the first to celebrate.

but of course that's just my opinion, so if any indigenous or native shippers have thoughts on the trope, i would love to hear what you have to say, and discuss further.

four, despite your alleged care for katara and indigenous women, anon, you have never once engaged with my criticisms of the show for its depiction of kat.aang: a relationship where katara's partner is visibly disgusted at her cultural food, acts disrespectfully towards her cultural artifacts, attempts to dissuade her from finding justice for her mother (a victim of imperialist aggression), and tries to impose his own cultural/religious beliefs upon her without considering that she a) has no obligation to follow those beliefs and b) her own culture's beliefs are vastly different. all of which, by the way, he is never shown to apologize for or learn from. add to that the fact that 2/3 of katara's children show absolutely no connection to her culture and, in fact, seem to heavily prioritize their father's instead - to the extent that all of her grandchildren seem solely air nomad instead of paying respect to both sides of their heritage - and a very troubling picture is painted.

keep in mind that this isn't some fanon trope or problematic fic created by a small subset of shippers within the fandom on an internet space meant primarily for adults; it's a canonical depiction of a romantic relationship with a woc on a show written by two white men and broadcasted to an audience of millions, targeted primarily at young, impressionable children. what are the messages being sent here, and to whom, about interracial relationships featuring indigenous women, and the role said women are expected to fulfil within those relationships?

but instead of criticizing the white creators who did that, you chose to take out your anger on me, a fellow poc descended from colonized peoples, because... i'm an easier target? because i'm accessible, and they're not? because maybe, just maybe, this isn't actually about indigenous people at all?

five, being a shipper (or an anti) isn't the same as being an activist. it just isn't. people can read and write and enjoy things in fiction that they would never support in real life (though ofc sometimes people just suck and that bleeds through into what they consume and create - but my point is that you absolutely cannot decide by their taste in fiction alone whether they are bigoted or not) because if our fictional takes translated to real life, most of us would probably be mass murderers by now. the only thing you can really judge anyone on is what they say and do and how they treat others in real life.

and you made that abundantly clear with this ask you sent me after i reblogged posts spreading awareness of the fires in hawai'i and sharing links to donate:

so just to clarify here, you would prefer that i don't use my platform to try and help actual indigenous people, people who have lost their homes and families, who are actually suffering, who actually require assistance and money and resources... because you don't like my headcanon for a fictional indigenous-coded person?

(yeah, i'm sure you'll understand why i'm skeptical about this entire crusade being in any way about the welfare of indigenous people.)

ultimately, i know none of this is going to change your mind. if you ever intended to genuinely speak out for indigenous issues, or make me see what i was doing wrong, you would have messaged me personally and stood by what you had to say. but that was never your real aim, and you know that as well as i do, so i'm certain i'll see you in my inbox again tomorrow talking about my racism or lack of accountability or whatever else you can find to disparage me.

i wish you the best. have a good day.

#the discourse #again #anti kataang

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otomedetective · 5 months

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Aromanticism and Otome Games

I am an aromantic who loves otome games. It may seem incredibly contradictory, especially since the common perception of otomes is that they are wish-fulfillment games for people to insert themselves into a story where they date attractive men. There's definitely nothing wrong with playing them in that way, and many people get a lot of enjoyment out of them, but that isn't the only way to play an otome game. In fact, many otome game players prefer not to self-insert at all and I’m one of them!

My personal experience being aromantic means I do not feel romantic attraction to anyone, and I do not desire or need a romantic relationship to feel fulfilled in life. I’m perfectly happy with my platonic bonds and my perpetual singleness! That’s how I experience it, but there are many different ways to be aromantic, and there’s no one universal experience that defines how all aromantic people live their lives. Some are repulsed by romance and its overbearing presence in nearly all forms of media, and others are comfortable seeing other people experience romance despite not experiencing it themselves (though these, of course, are not the only two groups). I personally lean more towards the latter category. I love romance stories!

For me, playing an otome game is like watching a romance movie where I get to decide who the heroine ends up with. It's like a shipper's dream! I don’t self-insert because I am not comfortable putting myself in romantic situations, but by observing a fictional couple, I can safely explore the romantic plots and experiences that interest me. And let me tell you, I love a good romance plot. Especially one with drama.

A comparison I like to make when people don’t seem to get it is that I also really, really love murder mysteries and tragedies, but I do NOT want to actually experience them myself. What I want for a character and what I want for myself are two completely separate things, so there’s really no contradiction!

In fact, playing otome games was a big part of my aromantic journey in the first place. I never had crushes as a kid that weren’t forced or peer pressured. When people talk about the characters in their childhood shows that they had crushes on, I can never relate. To me, there were only interesting characters and stories. I’ve never really wanted anything more than that.

So when my second-ever relationship ended and I was wondering whether I really felt romantic attraction at all, I decided to try otome games.

I chose Collar x Malice as my first game because, as I mentioned earlier, I am a huge fan of mysteries and tragedies, and the premise intrigued me. Then, throughout my exploration of various otome games (and as I quickly became hooked on them) I tried some games with less developed heroines, specifically made for self-inserting, and found that I couldn’t handle them. Separating myself from the heroine helped me enjoy the games more as I realized that I didn’t actually want to be in these romantic situations myself, but only wanted to enjoy the story.

So what was the point of this whole post? I guess just to share my own personal experiences as an aromantic otome-lover and address the contradiction. Otome games aren’t necessarily mainstream-popular, but they certainly have their dedicated fans, and I’ve really enjoyed the interactions I’ve had so far with these fandom spaces.

Sure, the primary focus of the games may be pretty boys who you can date, but otome games can also be so much more than that! It’s a genre I’m glad I decided to try.

I’m happy to be an aro along for the ride to read some good stories, puzzle out the right route choices, and look at some aesthetically pleasing character designs along the way! :)

#aromantic #otome games #otome #romance #personal post #aro #english otome #dating sim #lgbtq #aro otome

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aroaceconfessions · 1 year

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There was one post here not understanding why people don’t just block all ship tags and users who ship so as a repulsed aroace who doesn’t ship and is quite resentful towards shipping I thought I’d clarify why we can’t do that. Absolutely no malice to the original post or anyone who agreed with it, I just want to share why that’s not an option for me and many others personally.

The problem isn’t shipping itself. It’s how fandom is essentially ONLY about shipping. If I blocked all shipping related content and users that shipped in the fandoms I’m in, I’d have literally no content. At all. I’m the only one I’ve met so far in any of them that doesn’t ship. If there was actually non ship content, THEN we could just block all shippers and ship tags. But if we do that, our dash will get maybe 1-2 new posts a week if we’re lucky. Believe me, I’ve tried. There’s nothing there, no art no fics, only the occasional meme. It’s lonely and leaves us with nobody to talk to about the media the fandom is for, which is the entire point of looking for fandom in the first place.

Again, the problem isn’t the fact that people ship. The concept of shipping is harmless. The problem is shipping is so prevalent that there’s nothing else, and we HAVE to consume ship content if we want to be part of the fandom. We HAVE to create ship content if we want to be seen by others in the fandom. And when you’re romance repulsed, that makes you resentful after awhile. Eventually we all go ‘well why is it like this? Why is all the content about this thing I love centered around a huge discomfort of mine?’. And we try and try to change that with our own ship free content, but it never gets an audience and never even manages to reach others like us, isolating all in our own little corners bc without ships to draw in the masses and get them sharing it our work never reaches far enough to find like minded people. It gets maybe as far as our virtual backyard. Maybe others are out there, but the internet is vast and if our efforts aren’t circulated we’ll never make contact. We can’t meet new people if none of us can reach beyond our own yards.

It’s really not shipping we hate. It’s the unwritten REQUIREMENT for it if you want to be part of a fandom. It’s how we’re effectively silenced in fandom if we don’t ship. Bc we want so desperately to share our love of this thing with people, but they’ll never hear us unless it’s about ships. Unless it’s about the one thing that makes us uncomfortable, the one feeling they have that we don’t share.

If you’re able to ship while being aro and/or ace, I’m happy for you. You can still enjoy fandom. But I can’t, and it’s a very lonely existence. And it hurts.

#aromantic #asexual #aroace #arospec #acespec #aspec #aroacespec #arose #shipping discourse #fandom discourse #amatonormativity #shipping #fandom

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maoam · 9 months

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This whole small or big dicks thing feels so demeaning to men. Beyond fanfics and the heteronormative look of top and bottom, where the size of the member conditions characters to a dominant or submissive role, in the Naruto fandom dudebros and shippers also fight and use it to make fun of others characters, I have seen people being offended because Sai says that Naruto had a small dick and others making fun of him, many ss shippers laughing and telling the nh that Sasuke is better because he's gifted with a big dick and Sakura is better or happier for it.

All of this screams fragile masculinity and the fact that it's being laughed at is so stupid. It's just like NH or Hinata stans that say her character is better because she has a big chest or sakura stans that point out that Sakura has a better chest in Boruto than Hinata.

He hadn't even seen Naruto's dick... he was saying that just to be an asshole. Later, after they had gotten to know each other better, he was about to say Naruto reminds him of Shin because their personality and dicks are similar. Lol. Without a hint of malice.

No one should take SS/NH fights seriously. While SS do that, NH brag that Hinata is more fertile because she gave birth to two kids. They also fight over which one is prettier, which one is the better wife. One day, SS and NH were fighting whether Naruto or Sasuke is a worse husband. SS were mocking NH because Naruto sleeps on a couch and anywhere except next to Hinata. While NH mocked SS for the fact Sasuke goes to see Naruto but not Sakura and that he left his family with no contact for years. And this goes on and on. Like it's wild people like this actually exist and aren't even embarrassed of themselves... Like what?

We have no info of Sasuke's dick from canon. Sasuke doesn't even kiss Sakura so how is Sakura gonna be happy about his dick? Do you think Sasuke is getting it anywhere near her? Lol nope.

#anon

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catgirl-catboy · 1 year

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sorry if this comes off as rude or in bad faith but i'm interested in hearing your reasons on why you dislike saiouma? again, not trying to be rude, i'm just interested since it's one of the big popular ships and i think you have interesting danganronpa takes

@crowssoul2 sent another ask with the same idea, so allow me to respond to them both here instead of trying to cut an essay in half.

Nah! You didn't seem rude at all! I am more than happy to overanalyze Danganronpa, since I love Danganronpa to death. I am just as happy to be asked what I thought they failed @ then to be asked what I liked. Hell, I'll even enjoy civil discussion about why you disagree with my takes. (except maybe my take on the great Chihiro discourse, since bystanders always get pissy at that one)

Also, to preface this, this is a ship and let ship blog. I'm glad all you Saiouma shippers are having fun. Also, I love all the ship art you make. If you enjoy what we got, this isn't a personal attack. Honestly, I wish I were one of you since there's so much more content that way.

I feel like I dislike Saiouma because their canon dynamic went against the themes of the work. Kokichi, as a character, represents lies, which is one of the major themes of Drv3. (The same way Makoto represents hope and Junko represents despair) This seems really obvious to say, but is important to my point. A characters relationship with Kokichi should mirror their relationship with lies.

A good example of this done right is Kaito. Listen, his writing irks me, but his relationship with Kokichi is one of my favorite things about him. (Still can't get behind Oumota bc of Kaito's personality, but that doesn't mean I dislike the foils OR the shippers)

Kaito pretends to hate lies, as heroes should. But his heroic personality is in fact, a lie he tells. Not out of malice, but because that's who he wants to be. (Think Kaito:Hero as Gundam:Dark God) He lies to protect people, and hide his illness. As a result, he's willing to work with Kokichi to... protect Maki, conceal his identity, (which includes hiding his illness) and from a certian POV, be a hero! It makes perfect sense.

Another good example of this is Maki. She hates Kokichi, because she hates lies. Her hatred of Kokichi is actually tied to him revealing one of her lies, a lie that was causing her quite a lot of stress. But... she also directly benefits from Kokichi. He saved her life. Unrelated tangent (sarcasm), what was revealed to be a lie in Ch6? Her feelings for Kaito. Let me rephrase that sentence: She hates LIES but she also directly benefits from them (her feelings for Kaito improving her mental health)

I wish that theme carried over into other characters the same way it did for those two. There are some other parallels I can draw (Ryoma liking Kokichi to an extent, Kirumi playing tag with him) but those two are the most obvious and explicit.

So its sad that characters with a complicated relationship with lies don't also have a complicated relationship with Kokichi, the embodiment of lies.

Himiko lives a lie. Lying is needed for her job. But her lies almost got her killed in chapter 2, and Tenko going along with her lie doesn't help. How does this reflect in her interactions with Kokichi? It doesn;t.

Kaede lied to us, the motherfucking audience. Honestly, thats arguably just as impressive as Kokichi ever pulled. What is her relationship with Kokichi? Kokichi acts sort of like a mentor figure to HER in the tunnels, and stands up against her. I like that, but give that plot beat to someone else. (Kaito makes the most sense, but give it to Tenko since I love her.)

Danganronpa itself is a lie, a work of fiction. And Tsumugi is obsessed with it.

In fact, this applies to the v3 casts dynamic with Kokichi as a whole. Almost everyone dislikes and distrusts Kokichi, despite the big reveal of being liars themselves. I'd write it as "everyone pretends to hate Kokichi (lies), but actually don't mind him that much. However, they think everyone else hates Kokichi so they go along with the group." to foreshadow the big reveal that they themselves are lies told by Tsumugi.

And Shuichi suffers from this the most.

Shuichi's Ch1 arc is summed up by "Shuichi learns to face the truth for the first time with that case, and stops averting his eyes." In other words, on the Truth vs Lies scale, Shuichi begins the series aligned with LIES.

The rest of the game shows Shuichi gradually becoming a paragon of Truth to go against Kokichi's lies- ONLY FOR IT TO BE REVEALED IN CH6 THAT HE HIMSELF IS A LIE.

That he is, a fictional character and a pawn in someone elses game. It then becomes a Schrodinger's cat on the alignment scale I mentioned earlier. Was Shuichi's journey to the Truth end of the scale fake or not?

The game settles upon a hesitant no at the end of it, (I disagree, since the games mechanics tell a different story) when Shuichi ventures out into the world with the other survivors to find the truth upon whats out there.

Thats a HECK of a complicated relationship with lies. It should equal a heck of a complicated relationship with Kokichi, right? WRONG.

The canon Saiouma dynamic is basically

"Kokichi likes and teases Saihara, while Shuichi is annoyed by Kokichi until his death, when he gradually begins to come around. Despite this, Kokichi (and the lie mechanic) is surprisingly helpful in trials"

(actually the localization changed this quite a bit, but I'm going off the English version since this is what I actually played. That being said, its a fascinating topic that you should look into if you're as obsessed as I am.)

While the fanon is more akin to:

"Shuichi gradually gets drawn in by Kokichi and learns to accept his quirks."

(maybe shippers will disagree with me about those dynamics, since again, not my cup of tea.)

Meanwhile a Saiouma dynamic I can get behind is:

"Shuichi is drawn in by Kokichi (lies), and feels a sort of magnetism to him. But he knows it isn't a good idea, and he knows it isn't right. Kokichi's feelings are unclear at first due to his nature, but it turns out he has a love-hate relationship with Shuichi (truth). He'll rely on him sometimes, but rebuff him at others with seemingly no logic from his end."

In other words, I'd do a semi-reversal of the canon dynamic.

NOTE: I am not saying I'm a writing genius or anything. Hindsight is 20/20, and I'm sure if Kodaka could magically remake his games he'd stomp my rewrite to the ground.

You asked why I dislike it, and that's my explanation. But please allow me to go a step further and speculate why things are this way.

At about the same time you sent me your ask, my good friend Crow sent me this:

"I don't like Saiouma because well Komahina is exactly what the black romance should be while Saiouma is just feels like another Shuichi ship. Do you get my point?

Shuichi and Hajime is entirely different characters while Komaeda and Kokichi different af too like, they can't hit the Komahina dynamic like they intended to do, this is why Saiouma is just another Shuichi ship while Komahina is THE SHIP.

If you want to do a homoerotic Shuichi ship who would be the next Komahina you shouldn't do that with Kokichi at all, maybe Rantaro? But Rantaro isnt work well too like there is no Komaeda for him to work the Komahina. Saiouma felt poorly executed idea of a black romance, if I need to be honest Oumaede would be more fitting for the Komahina dynamic despite Kaede is just pov character.

So yeah there is no Komahina in drv3 because they tried to play the same tropes with very different characters and very different stories, I even felt more interested in Saihoshi despite Ryoma only been around 2 chapters than Kokichi. That is the problem in here"

I felt like I can't answer one of these asks without referencing what I said in the other ask, so I just both answered them both together. (no hard feelings?)

In case you haven't read Homestuck (wise call, honestly) Black romance is basically non-sexual hatefucking. Usually, there's an undertone of mutual respect, but not always. Felt like that context was important.

Komeada and Kokichi ARE different characters. From a narrative standpoint, Komeada completely turns existing themes like Hope and Talent into complex issues in the Drverse, while in THH they were pretty black and white. Meanwhile, Kokichi's introduction is the introduction to the theme of truth vs lies.

In other words (Makoto is to Nagito (and later to Hajime and Izuru) as Kokichi is to Shuichi) The second takes the theme from the first, and massively expands on it! ...Despite Shuichi and Kokichi being in the same game.

Despite this, the reason people think they are similar is because Kokichi piggybacks too hard on Nagito and Komahina's success.

What does Nagito have in common with Togami, other than being an antagonistic force. Not much, actually! Togami fucked up a corpse while Nagito fucked up his own body, and that distinction is all that needs to be said I think.

Togami would look down upon Nagito if they ever met, and Nagito'd be into that.

What does Kokichi have in common with Nagito?

They want to make an unsolvable murder in which poison was involved and they got someone to kill them.

They both have a one sided crush on their protagonist, that the protagonist doesn't think exists. (Kokichi confessed, but perks of being a chronic liar)

They both are the MVP in almost every trial they are in, with one notable exception for each of them. Thats... kind of a lot, actually! I do think they are noticeably different characters, especially on a thematic level, but I can see why people notice that. I can also see why people would find that bad! Nagito was the star of Dr2, hands down. If you were one of the few people that isn't a total Nagito simp, then a very simmilar character getting screentime might be annoying since you have Nagito fatigue from the last game. and if you are a Nagito simp, then Kokichi will likely never be his own dude with so much in common. You'll see him as a lesser Nagito and want him back. I agree with Crow when he says "Saiouma just feels like another ship. I found it hard to articulate why I feel that paradoxically feels like a rip-off of another ship I liked, but also had no bite to it. And then it hit me. Until Chapter four, Kokichi never did anything that warranted Nagito levels of hatred. (of course, this is entirely subjective. I hate Kaito pretty much for being annoying and fitting into tropes I dislike without commenting on it. If you think this is enough to hate Kokichi, power to you!) By the end of chapter one of Dr2, Nagito:

Attempted to 1st degree murder a fan-favorite character, with a deliberately confusing and unsympathetic (at this point in time) motive to do so.

Goaded another character (that most fans hated, but still) into committing that murder FOR him. The only time we ever saw that level of insanity was Celeste, and Teruteru is no Hifumi in terms of gullibility. (Celeste had plot armor anyway.)

Sat back and monologues while everyone's ass was on the line. If Hajime and the others voted wrong, everyone would have died.

Showed NO remorse over any of it. Seemed to enjoy it.

This one is more meta but: he shows despair eyes, which previously were only seen on the big bad of the first game. Characters have every reason to hate the guy. Soda and Nekomaru were absolutely correct in taking him out, and I'd argue that you should maybe go father by putting him in a public area and gagging his mouth unless it's mealtime. Meanwhile, by chapter three, Kokichi has:

Stood up to Kaede in the tunnels, which most students agree was the right call.

Showed emotions over Rantaro's death, but due to his lying they can't be sure if they were genuine.

Was civil (if a bit wierd) to Kaede right before her execution.

Bullied Kiibo. Yes, bullying is- bad but look me in the eye and tell me its worse than murder. You can't.

Shared the motive videos in the insect meet and greet. This is the major strike against him, but its reasonable to assume he did this with good intentions.

While doing that, tortured them with bugs when it wasn't really needed for the plan to work.

(okay, this one didn't actually happen and I will die on this hill, but the main group thinks it did so I'm counting it) Tricked Gonta into helping with his plans.

Saved our asses in the second trial.

Saved our asses in the post-trial portion of chapter 2

Not joined a cult that was forming in our school. Also did not stop Gonta from joining the cult, which doesn't point to a pattern of controlling behavior from Shuichi's POV.

Was key in getting to Angie's body. Pun intended.

Helped out during the seance.

While arguably not the MVP in trial 3, he still contributed a great deal. Do those lists of crimes seem equal to you? It takes Kokichi 3 chapters to do something that is, at most, Hiyoko level. Maybe Byakuya level, but thats pushing it. Yet, the characters treat Nagito and Kokichi with about equal annoyance and disdain. The v3 cast, of course, doesn't know that Nagito exists. But we, the players, know. Its like we got prologue Nagito for almost four chapters, but prologue Nagito was also kind of a bitch? But also possibly well-meaning and OP as fuck. This concludes my analysis! Do you agree? Disagree? I'd love to hear thoughts.

#ask tag #crowtalks #danganronpa #danganronpa meta #kokichi oma #kokichi ouma #danganronpa analysis #danganronpa essay #shuichi saihara #drv3 #nagito komaeda

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olderthannetfic · 1 year

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My fandom’s main “shipwar” is between the canon m/f pairing and the non-canon but ten times more popular m/m pairing. I’m a multishipper and I like both, as well as the mmf threesome. So I don’t really have a dog in this fight, as it were. But one thing that continuously baffles me is how upset the canon m/f shippers get about the non-canon m/m shippers explaining why they don’t ship the canon ship.

The m/f shippers say because they never feel the need to mention the m/m ship on their posts, that the m/m shippers should not mention the m/f ship on their posts. But I think those are two very different circumstances. Like, of course there’s no reason to randomly bring up a non-canon ship when making meta about a canon pairing. The baseline assumption in most fandoms regarding transformative works is “like canon, unless noted” so that would be superfluous and feel targeted. But when discussing a non-canon ship, especially one which requires the canon ship to break up, I think, naturally, due to the same principle, those non-canon shippers are going to lay out what they personally don’t like about the canon ship, and why they think the non-canon ship is better.

I guess, what I’m saying is, I’ve always seen putting up with a lot of different people not liking your pairing and complaining loudly about it as part of the price of having a canon ship. In all the other fandoms I’ve been in, the canon ships have been almost universally reviled, and the handful of people who do ship them don’t seem all that surprised by all the meta that exists from non-canon shippers about why the canon ship doesn’t work. They just find solace in the fact that their pairing is the one that gets onscreen kisses, and seem adept at ignoring the haters.

But in this fandom, the canon m/f shippers act like anyone voicing dislike of their ship is a personal attack. And they frequently write rant posts about it, to the point that I have a hard time following the m/f ship tag, even though I ship it, because I’m tired of it being full of people complaining about the m/m shippers (of which, I am also a member).

To some extent, I understand the canon m/f shippers’ frustrations. The fandom tag is basically unnavigable without running into untagged content for the non-canon m/m ship. And there is unfortunately a swath of the non-canon m/m shippers who are rude, exhibit harassing behaviors, and harbor misogynistic attitudes toward the canon female love interest. Which I’ve called out multiple times on my blog as unacceptable. But one of the canon m/f shippers referred to simple meta discussing the media through the lens of the non-canon m/m pairing as “gaslighting”. And I just don’t think that’s a fair interpretation.

While there definitely have been bad actors on both sides of the “shipwar”, I don’t think just saying “I think the dynamic between the non-canon pairing is more interesting and well written than the canon pairing, and here’s some scenes from the original media that showcase why” on one’s own blog is an act of “ship hate” or “gaslighting” or contradictory to the principles of Ship and Let Ship. It’s just an opinion based on a different reading of the text.

I suppose my question is, do you think its contrary to the principles of Ship and Let Ship to explain why you personally don’t ship a pairing (assuming you’re not harassing or insulting the shippers of that pairing)? And why do canon shippers act like it’s an act of malice for other people to voice that they don’t like their ship for xyz reason?

Of course it's fine to explain your own tastes.

Canon shippers have always been prone to whining that their ship isn't the most popular and/or that it isn't the only one that's popular.

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stormblessed95 · 1 year

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Hello storm, i asked this question in another jikook blog but as you are very detailed in your responses i wanted your perspective on it as well. Do you find it a bit strange that from the Taekook perspective Tae seems to only be gay for Jungkook? Let me explain.

Tae has a whole squad of male friends (handsome males), he hangs out with, seems to be close to Park Bogum and even went to an art exhibit with him and they have their own version of GCF, yet not only have I seen Tkkers shrug them off as friends but have 0 malice for Park (not that i want them to) but seem to loathe Jimin? How come? Doesnt Bogum threaten your ship just as much if not more than Jimin?

So in the Taekook world Tae and Kook are deep in love in a ltr and their only threat is Jimin? How does that work. If Jungkook is Tae's type and vice versa, Jimin doesnt fit that mold so why be threatened by his prescence? Park Bogum is tall, gorgeous, talented, if anything he posses a bigger threat since he fits the mold of guys Tae should be into. So why is he shrugged off but Jimin hated and seen as a p*rv and a threat?

I know i am asking a mouthful but when you spend a few minutes thinking about the mind of a Jimin anti, it really shows how irrational these people are.

The tkkrs who do think Tae is only gay for JK, or vice versa where JK is only gay Tae (this is also about the jkkrs who think JK is only gay for Jimin too btw) aren't doing anything but fetishizing a mlm queer relationship for their own fantasies and gratification for their own abysmal love life and/or their own sexual gratification. Both are a problem. It's not okay. And I absolutely blame the media for the crappy representation and fetishizating stereotypes they give queer characters. Because that's then also how these types of shippers view BTS. As characters for them to play out their fantasies with. It's not okay. These are the same people who will ship the members but then at the same time not actually support queer people or the community. It's the "ew gay people" crowd who also go "lol so who do you think the bottom is??" It's the same people who always view one as "the man" and the other as "the girlfriend." They are cosplaying support for queer people behind a ship that they don't TRULY believe in. Because if Tae or JK ever came out as gay, or confirmed they are boyfriends and are gay. Those same people who gloat about winning but also have a really fucking hard time continuing to support them "in their sins." Either you think they are queer and you support them regardless of if they are in the gay ship you want them in, or you don't. Full stop. There is no "I'm only gay for...." there are LOTS of sexualities out there where you are attracted to a variety of genders or non at all. It's all okay, but people don't get to decide that for you. Because that's a cop out of actually supporting and caring for the person(s) you claim to love and support in their queerness and otherwise.

As for the irrationality of being a Jimin anti? You absolutely answered that for yourself. Lol they aren't "threatened" by their other male friendships because they don't actually view think they are gay, therefore other men aren't a "threat." Jimin a "threat" simply because he is the most rival ship, they want to win and they throw all their homophobic and misogynistic ideas and tendencies onto him. It's fucked up.

Idk if any this ended up making sense or if my angry rant just ended up wordy and ranty. But oof this is a topic that gets my gears grinding 😅 thanks for the ask

#fetishization runs rampant in the shipper community #and its a huge problem #jikook antis #JM antis #fetishizers dont actually support gay people either

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dearweirdme · 8 months

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Some great messages and responses today about so many topics! And some goofy ones as well 😂 Still trying to wrap my head around the anon who thinks that Taekook (a pairing of two people, Tae and Jungkook) is a "persona" (the aspects of a single person's character that are outward/perceived by others). How exactly would that work? Are they so dedicated to it that they work around the limitations the company has put on them (one V Live since 2016 that had just the two of them in it but there were obviously chaperones in the room) by spending their free time together for a whole year of solo era just to keep up this "persona". The bowling, musical outings, skiing trips, working on songs, playing games, cooking/eating at each other's places, Tae's closest social circle including friends from high school becoming good friends of Jungkook and supporting him publicly like they've really gone all out for this "persona". And those are just the things we know about. I don't think they talked about the musical, skiing, or bowling outings. A fan got pics of them at the musical. A lot of it we don't know about, or we'll find out much later. So since the pair as a persona makes no sense, I think what anon was implying is that the "persona" Tae is putting on here is his care and affection for Jungkook. Which also makes no sense given what I just went over, and the additional fact that this is all from their "off" time when if they wanted to act this out they could do this in an official capacity for company content. But they haven't. For years. Their very close bond is most evident in their *private/non-work life*. And they are the only pair in the group that has demonstrated this level of closeness in solo era. This is not a drag on the others, they all love each other. But this is a simple fact. Even "anti-shippers" are coming around to defend Taekook's bond now because even they see how at odds this was with the "official" content and that Taekook are close even when the group goes its separate ways. Also, someone made a great point in the comments earlier. I am not a company stan, large corporations are evil there's no such thing as an ethical billionaire etc. Some of the company's screw-ups come from intentional malice, them attaching BTS to the credits of Seven was literal sabotage in that it was an attempt to keep Jungkook from charting higher than the group. That shows me that they will take actions that hurt their individual artists. I do think there is a pattern of Tae getting the worst of it, and I honestly do not know why. But someone commented earlier that some of the neglect and some of the mistakes they make are facilitated by the guarantee that the fandom will keep throwing money their way. They have no real incentive to change. At least with the credits situation not only did the fandom get loud, but articles started popping up in Kmedia. I wish the fandom could show a united front against the company's mistreatment, against sabotage, against Billboard but it was impossible to get a boycott (something they might actually pay attention to) going before solo era, now everything is so fractured and there is so much infighting...the situation in the fandom is pretty bad. I'll even admit I'm JK-biased and with all of the weirdness I saw starting with Seven and how resentment of him and his talent/success became even clearer I've stopped paying attention to anything but Taekook's solo careers for now. No negative feelings for the others, that's just all I have energy for at the moment.

Hi anon!

There is absolutely nothing to think anything about Tae and Jk’s bond is fake. There’s a chance we are wrong in how we interpret it, but there’s no chance that they aren’t very close and arguably the closest out of all members. Tae and Jk are very consistent in showing that closeness.

Yeah, I very much hate the powerplay. No matter how big an artist or a band gets, companies most of the time still hold the power. Fandom is hard as well, I agree.

#taekook #industry stuff

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jeffbytes · 2 years

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@fluffyselfships (mod bunny) did the lines for this comforting comic back in August of 2020, and 2 years later i finish it off in colour on a day this kind of comfort and reassurance was very much needed ;;

any self shipper knows the agony of feeling inadequete when compared to others, and if not, allow me to explain. selfshipping is in itself a very self-esteem based activity, relying soley on your own writing and your own belief that you have something about you that your f/o would love. it's a form of personal affirmation 'therapy', a positive exercise in self appreciation and self worth! it helps me immensely, even if im not the best at seeing what attributes he would love about me, esp when theres so many others around me. it's a test of self love to be a self shipper, and that fact does not get enough credit for any of us😔

we are misunderstood! we never make stakes or express aggression, even when seeing images of others with our f/os can potentially damage that self love we work so hard to achieve. to many of us, it's the equivalent of seeing our significant other cheat on us, and it hurts, a lot! but we still have the restraint to not take that self love from our fellow self shipper. the ones that do behave in this manner are rightly separated and ostracised from our community. all we try and do is cater our own experience to our comfort, shield ourselves from those uncomfy visuals in healthy ways (muting, blocking, silent harmless methods, never with our words or with malice) and try to love ourselves through the act of writing and drawing our f/os to love us.

for me, Haida is my biggest comfort, and my main f/o. this ship and its monogamy (outside of Jaidano) means a LOT to me. all i ever ask of anyone is to not expose me to other Haida selfships or canon ships, for the afformentioned reasons ;; as explained, i'm aware they are also practicing that same self love, and ALL i want is not see it, thats it. takes away my discomfort, without taking away that form of self appreciation from another. it's a win win, and a common form of courtesy within the selfship community.🫶

#self ship #self shipping #self ship community #fictional other #fictional others #f/o community #f/o positivity #f/o #f/o comfort #jaida hyenas

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girlwithamissingpearl · 1 year

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Hi! I just wanted to say goodbye, I’m leaving. I can’t believe what happened just 24 hours ago, people sharing private pics of Sam with his mother and some other people, and shippers and haters!! Cannot understand it. I don’t do SM. Just came here because I liked OL and Sam, although I must say that who I really like is Jamie Fraser,. I’m not interested in Sam very much, he is a good looking man, of course! but another human being as many others and these blogs are so full of shit ( pardon me, madam 😜) that make me sick, I don’t want to share anything with people who are full of malice and hate. I felt very happy when you liked that I happened to remind you when I saw Vermeer’s Girl with the pearl earring but…. I couldn’t help myself!

Take care!

What? Please don’t leave!!!!!I just saw your message. You are one of my favourite people in this fandom and the only one to send me my greatest post of the girl with the pearl painting. It was one of the nicest things that I have experienced in this fandom. Please reconsider because I would really miss your comments snd point of view. Please….. 🥹 I understand how easy it is to be discouraged but we have such a great group of gals, a small group in my corner admittedly, but very supportive. How can you leave before SH’s film is released? So much fun to look forward to in the next month. Yes some people cross almost every line of decency and I have thought about quitting myself many times. But then I log in and find a handful of very supportive, humorous and thoughtful posts and messages from those who have been in the fandom longer and seen worse and remind me why I came here in the first place. And a really great person who took the time to send me a picture of one of my favourite paintings and basis of my blog name is now leaving? I hope you reconsider because I know for a fact I won’t be the only one to miss you. 😊 🎨🖼️❤️🙌🎥🥃 plus….season 7 is coming soooo soon. I mean isn’t Outlander the reason that brought us together in the first place?

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interrupting my as7 brainrot for a new edition of sandra vs dres2 subtitles, today we have the makeover challenge and feelings bc grandparents get to me ok

for those of you wondering what vene was struggling to say, juriji's mirror message reads 'ce n'est qu'un au revoir les filles! je vous aime, arriba esos chichis', estrella and marina's french translation is perfectly serviceable, the last part in spanish literally means arriba as a cheer-up!/c'mon! and y'all better know what chichi means by now (hint: 🐱)

i am obsessed with the épico (epic) and lésbico (sapphic) comment about the lipsync, this is something i thought might be of interest for all of the juriji and venedita shippers: venedita saying that she always ends up tangled up (very nice way to say making out, subtitles people, hacer un bollo specifically has lesbian hookup connotations) with a friend is a shout out to trans icon didi machiavelli, a really good friend of hers from bcn, didi is a former drag performer and is currently a model (she's also in marina's mv btw, she's the redhead girl) if you look up any of vene's performances prior to 2018 chances are her and didi are making out in a good number of pics and videos, those two are literally what rosalia and tokischa meant with las amigas que se besan son la mejor compañía

i love that all of the top 4 can speak catalan 💞 (in the legislative war against minority languages i am v firmly on the side of the minority languages)

venedita saying she's never been in an after in her life with a straight face hakshsk hay que tener valor

when supremme video message is played, they translate la madre que os parió as mommy dearest but lit. it'd be 'the mother that bore you', you can use it for emphasis or as a swearword depending on context

when getting ready for the mini challenge sharonne says she's turning into the bastard sister of leticia sabater, known for being a tv show host in the 90s, she's now better known for having the dubious honor of giving us songs like this

the a mi no me mandes a callar from supremme deadass sounded like an actual mother here (el verdadero choque cultural es cómo aquí definitivamente no hay temor ni a dios ni a las chanclas voladoras, people just have yelling matches with their parents)

i want vene's dress/trench for the mini challenge (and marina's while we're at it, i love the way it looks with the short red wig)

speaking of vene, la mano virgen would be the virgin hand, it's colloquially a way to mean the hand of an inexperienced person that lacks malice (in the subs it's the bare hand)

marina says that if there's roaches they'll report the set, not that they hate them (which they do and rightfully so, i don't have a phobia to insects but roaches trigger my murder response, nvm the OSHA violation, i'd set that soundstage on fire)

when estrella says she doesn't like boiled eggs, she likes eggs in her face she means balls

venedita and her dildo 💀

when introducing the last member of the 26 of dec foundation, supremme says 'su cara me suena' (your face looks familiar) which is a tv show of imitations

when venedita talks w consuela about how she had more acceptance problems for being an elder gay person than when he was young surprises her but it doesn't surprise me because lgbt culture is very youth based, we have a very short memory as a community and it's rare to see older members being given much of a thought that isn't about seeing them as sexual objects (m*mmy and d*ddy people i'm looking at you specifically)

history lesson w antonia and marina: homosexuality wasn't specifically in the spanish penal code as a crime in the beginning of the xx century (basically bc spain spent the beginning of the xx century changing it constantly between the fights between republicans and monarchists) but it was socially persecuted and understood as part of other crimes (it's pretty much universally known that federico garcía lorca was murdered by the francoist side of the war 'for being both a f*ggot and a communist'), antonia lived through the time in which the law against layabouts and crooks (1954-1970) included homosexuals (and sent them to what were basically concentration forced labour camps to be beat and starved), then the more open mindset of the time changed to include homosexuality in the law on social danger and rehabilitation (1970-1980) that marina talks about, which focused on trying to cure (aka torture) them via electroshock and lobotomies, time in the military was compulsory for all men till the 80s, no prize for guessing what could happen to gay ppl there; i can't stress enough how lucky consuelo and petro were for having a families that actually loved them, sharonne was lucky because her family came around but many people are not that lucky

the talk about how they were born in the time in which they were all called f*ggot not gay reminded me of this ask i got asking me once why did spaniards use the word travesti and the truth is i think that most people grew up hearing the slurs bc they didn't have any other words and tbh i'm glad they've been reclaimed so throughly they don't sound like slurs any more just words (being called a tortillera or a f*ggot by anyone outside of the lgbt community would probably ignite my flight or fight response just the same but being called another technically not offensive word can still sound like a hate crime when said with enough hate)

i can't say if petro did indeed make the infanta elena look good in her wedding or not, but here's the wedding dress (reminds me a little of the wedding dress in the little mermaid).. and infanta or infante is the title of the kids of the current king (elena as the sister of the current king has the title bc they are both the kids of the previous king but her kids don't have the title, only the kids of her brother bc he's the one in the throne)

sharonne makes a riff between aprieto (tough spot) and petro's name bc she's nervous about sewing in front of him, then with the heels she's afraid of petro valverde turning into petro valsuelo (falls to the floor)

marina you weight 100lbs soaking wet, how do you expect your belts to work with antonia?

when trying wigs petro looks like marie antoinette or antonio flores, the singer (and son of lola flores)

when ana is in the workroom sharonne says in the confessionals it inspires respect on her, not that it's exciting, it's more like... humbling?

i can't say i'm surprised venedita didn't bring anything from home because truth is the fact that venedita brought more than nipple covers is already surprising enough but i do love that she was intelligent enough to bring her own fabric for this one (bc the print is too specific to have been a workroom fabric)

on that subject, we saw sharonne draft with petro earlier and the fabric of the final look is also very particular, i think, if anything, she purposefully brought a dress in a classic silhouette that she knew she could alter at a moments notice because classic is both her brand and probably easiest for her to adjust

when marina is explaining the subject of their runway to supremme and ana, dos mujeres de bien 'two women that seem okay' in the subs should be more like two women that are apparently rich (being a persona de bien is more of a social standing thing, up to good and with high standards and the like)

suitably since we all know marina can't sew to save their life, both supremme and ana say no os confiéis after talking to them, the subs translate it as 'believe in yourself' but it should be 'don't be overconfident'

i have no clue on how does that pray antonia say go in english (or if you can tell she's praying with what the subs say) but he is when marina is shaving him

runway time

is it just me or the dress supremme is wearing is very rupaul? something about the shoulder and the fall of the skirt idk (also i love her brunette with the green contacts)

calvo says supremme looks like a freixenet bubble, freixenet is a brand of cava (bubbly wine, essentially spanish champaign) and when he calls her putón (slut) they make a reference to the meme of the valencian neighbors (the woman juriji played in snatch game), and supremme says 'como me conoces, juan' which is a reference to another meme (either belen esteban or from lqsa)

did anyone else think of the atrevete-te-te lyrics of calle 13 when alexis said 14 karats or was that just me?

with estrella and teresa xtravaganza, when they're walking down the runway and ana says they're armed they make a pun compound word between pistol (gun) and polla (dick); the gatillo fácil (trigger-happy) comment is a riff on ser fácil (being easy); two for the road and barbarella though are pretty self explanatory i believe and when estrella says we're pistoleras the subs translate it as cowgirls but it should be gunwomen ((i have to say i agree with ana when she says it's maybe too simple for a semi final, but kudos to estrella bc she made sure teresa looked beautiful... maybe better than estrella herself))

sharonne and sharinne come dressed like jane russell and marilyn monroe in the intro number of gentlemen prefer blondes; supremme calls them sonia and selena and talk about a comeback, sonia and selena were a one hit wonder duo from the early 00s that attempted a come back in the early 10s, poner verde a alguien (to put someone green) means to trash talk someone but it's also an allusion to the fabric they're wearing turning green when you touch it ((trust alexis to notice the detail of the shoes, thanks for that closeup that was indeed a very nice touch))

marina and antonia come in, looking like ursula disney bounders; matar a una zorra para vestir a otra (to kill a fox to dress another one) zorra=slut/bitch; ana calls them la pili y la ligui as a reference to la pili y la mili, twin kid actresses from the 60s (ligui is for lengua 👅), when they take off the wigs what *i* hear is ana pausera, but the subs say ana pau, not a clue about who that is (ana pau is the 18yo niece of anahí from RBD apparently??); when supremme says a palma, Isabel! it's a quote from the tv host encarna sanchez to singer isabel pantoja (or at the very least it's a quote from the comedic duo martes and 13 imitating them in this sketch)

i have nothing for venedita and vinagreta, only that vinagreta means vinagrette (duh); during the critiques, ambrossi says that venedita was iconic with her folder and pen and compared her to aida nizar, a well known personality from big brother

supremme and ambrossi saying thank you to the previous generation of lgbt community and to the members of the foundation in particular got to me (this entire fucking episode got to me oh my god i'm so soft) and then calvo mentions how street walking was for a long time the only thing lgbt people could do to survive (rewatching la veneno tv show recently did not help, i wanted to cry a lot) and then the messages to the younger versions of themselves jfc

here's a funny thing btw, in case you were also in your feelings, please think that last season, when they asked them to bring a baby pic in case they made it this far, arantxa gave production a baby picture of miley cyrus🤣

congratulations venedita for winning her second challenge 🥰

i have to say i didn't love that lipsync between estrella and marina (WHY ARE THEY UNDRESSING AND KICKING OFF THE HEELS WHEN LIPSYNCING 💀) i think marina did it better (barely) but i like marina better and her lipsync style much more than estrella's so that's v likely me being biased, still, imagine lipsyncing a jlo song in front of alexis and doing that. absolutely not.

i did absolutely not see a top 4 happening but 🥰 yay

a shout out to marina who had the sense to immediately smile with their mouth close when they put them in for a closeup in the end bc they had the blacked out tooth idk why but that was just so funny for me svsjshshk

it's probably too early for this but i hope a top 4 means they will do a finale with a tournament lipsync bc last season i didn't love trying to watch the top 3 lipsync all at the same time

#oh my god two more and you guys get rid of me aren't you all excited?#rpdr spain #drag race españa #personal #sandra's translator era

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I posted 103 times in 2022

That's 103 more posts than 2021!

8 posts created (8%)

95 posts reblogged (92%)

Blogs I reblogged the most:

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I tagged 102 of my posts in 2022

Only 1% of my posts had no tags

the owl house - 96 posts

camila noceda - 36 posts

hunter noceda - 34 posts

luz noceda - 32 posts

philip wittebane - 14 posts

vee noceda - 13 posts

willow park - 10 posts

darius deamonne - 9 posts

gus porter - 9 posts

queue - 9 posts

Longest Tag: 137 characters

#i need camila throwing hands at belos it would be hot and i personally think my needs are way more important than puritan loser over here

My Top Posts in 2022:

Shout out to toh for not only giving us capable, talented, and complex female characters, but also female characters who are just absolutely pathetic. Girllosers. Cringefail wives. Women with atrocious personalities and swagless aura. Unhinged and frothing from the mouth who are also deadly afraid of authority. Women in 30's and above who have 0-1 friends and a beef with some random teenager. Love this diversity, we need more of this

39 notes - Posted November 21, 2022

@fellow Darmila shippers we are not talking enough about the golden dynamics that is Darius being Luz's and Vee's (and probably even Collector's) step father

43 notes - Posted November 29, 2022

Thinking about how Luz's and Eda's childhood photos look messy, chaotic, and lively and just filled with love and fun

Willow's childhood picture are not nearly as chaotic but still imperfect, fun and lively. However while Luz's and Eda's are physical or digital copies Willow's were taken directly out of her memory

Amity's one family portrait that looks perfect and staged, and everything is dark and gloomy and Amity is not happy

Hunter's one childhood picture of him receiving the golden guard role and it is a painting in someone else's memory where his face is hidden

Belos's childhood pictures from his memory were all thrashed and were hidden away in dark dead forest, which were covered up by flashy gold hallways with paintings and murals of him being portrayed as a hero in picturesque perfect scenes and far removed from reality

All the hexsquad pictures are chaotic and messy and happy and lively and showing them in their true element and having fun.

And one interesting thing- the lively chaotic pictures were much closer to show's artstyle than those staged perfect picturesque paintings, and the further they were away from truth, the more different the artstyle became

60 notes - Posted November 29, 2022

Does anyone get sad thinking about how when Eda and co were younger they seem to be close friends but now they are just so estranged with each other? Like it's not even "school friends who lost contact and grew apart with time", some of them seem to actively resent each other before and during the events of the show.

Like we have Eda and Lilith and the entire curse mess who only started to get along after the events of Young Blood, Old Souls

Raeda broke up and only come to contact years later despite still being in love with each other and caring about each other. They still struggle with communication and tendency to keep secrets from one another

Raine and Eda were willing to kill Darius without hesitation. It was not out of malice and definately more out of greater good, a solid plan that Darius clearly appreciated and even encouraged a similar but less deadlier version for the day of unity. But still that was cold and ruthless especially if they were meant to be friends as kids. Not to mention it's "Head Witch Darius!" and "Raine Whispers!" like no familiarity. Absolute strangers. Only reconcilled when their goals aligned

Darius actively resents Alador and Alador doesnt seem to care about him either. They were close with each other and Odalia as kids and yet now the mere mention of Alador just irks Darius.

Odalia just grew up to be such a hateful and greedy person, like as a kid she seems to be someone who just wants to hang around with her friends, and now she doesnt care about anyone at all. Like girl what happened to you?

Perry seems to have nothing to do with any of them. Like he seemed sad when Eda was gonna get petrified even under the strict reporter professionalism but like that is it. (Then again this one is more likely to do with his non existent screen time than anything else)

Alador and Eda's only talk was Eda being rightfully pissed about the factory incident but it also feels like there was more resentment then that.

And just all of them were so separated from each other. Eda was living as a wild witch. Lilith was head of the Emperor's coven and trying to capture Eda and nothing else. Alador and Odalia were in a loveless marriage focusing more on their careers rather then each other and even their own children. Darius and Raine reconnected only when they revealed that their goals aligned. And Perry was doing his own thing.

Like what happened to that friendship both the show and the crew keeps hinting at. Was it a later added thing? Or would we have seen them through flashbacks only for it to be cut out due to disney?

Either way it really makes me sad thinking about so many friends who were potentially close, just growing apart and even starting to resent to each other.

156 notes - Posted November 1, 2022

My #1 post of 2022

Toh is about idealistic dreams, learning that the real thing is far from perfect, and then learning to be ok with it by either finding beauty in the imperfections or letting it go.

227 notes - Posted November 1, 2022

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