#season 5 discussion

[columboscreens]

#columbo #season 5 #forgotten lady #amen #good talk. glad we could have this discussion #they won't tell you but this is what real dialectic looks like #hm. columbo.

[yunyin]

Have people talked about this skull motif on Marinette's dress?

This feels like such an odd choice to me. I'm not sure what to make of it yet.

#idk if there's any meta discussion on it or not #in universe it feels like an odd design choice for her #Marinette doesn't strike me as a skull kind of girl #I guess you could argue there are some symbolic deaths in this ep but still #miraculous ladybug #ml spoilers #ml season 5 spoilers #ml representation #representation spoilers

[imultimouse]

I never come on here, but I wanted to discuss something since I've seen a couple of salt posts discussing Adrien's "sudden" shift of feelings towards Marinette in season 5, and I don't think some of you are understanding the whole lovesquare arc. Adrien has ALWAYS loved Marinette, ever since the umbrella scene. His feelings gradually grew more and more, but since he had already taken interest in Ladybug, he suppressed those feelings. This was the whole point of the "just a friend" phase. It was DENIAL, not genuine disinterest. If you go back and rewatch the show from the beginning, you'd notice that Adrien unconsciously behaves in a way that makes his crush on Marinette obvious. Ex:

Feeling uncomfortable kissing Chloé in season 1, but feeling perfectly comfortable with Marinette.

The constant heart eyes we got throughout the show.

He carries her lucky charm with him all the time, and he even made a gift especially for her

He called her his "everyday Ladybug", which we all know how much that means coming from him.

Effortlessly dancing romantically with her, TWICE.

Etc, etc. Keeping all that in mind, what happened in Puppeteer 2 isn't when he started DEVELOPING feelings, it's when he started REALIZING those feelings. He said it himself, the way he reacted to her going ahead and kissing him shocked him. Not to mention that in Chat Blanc, he straight up told her in his confession that he had always felt this way, he just didn't understand what he felt.

All their interactions thus far had Marinette somehow friendzone their encounters, so Adrien never had the chance to think about his own feelings, except in Weredad, but he was too preoccupied with his intense feelings for Ladybug to notice. And it's because of that, that after Marinette kissed him, he started noticing the similarities between her and Ladybug, causing his feelings to grow even further.

"You remind me of the girl I love."

Then, he started paying more attention to her, and noticed how she always cheers him up and makes him laugh, and is always there for him when he needs her.

Finally, we reach the season 4 finale, and he realizes that Marinette truly understands him for who he is, not the image he kept up, and it's THEN that he fully realizes there is something there, but he is too confused to know for sure, which is directly supported by his confession in Chat Blanc.

That is when Determination comes into play, and Adrien finally realizes what the butterflies in his stomach meant this entire time. This is also why that every time he discovers Marinette is Ladybug, he is instantly relieved and overwhelmed with joy, because that makes the two people he loves the most one person, and there is no more dilemma in his heart.

So this is it, a summary of Adrien's development of his feelings towards Marinette, which also explains why it's so sincere from his end. It's not sudden for sure. Yeah, it could have been written a lot better, but what do we expect from MLB writers anyway? If you've made it this far, thank you for reading, and let me know what you think.

#miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #adrien agreste #miraculous ladybug #marinette #adrien #marinette dupain cheng #miraculous discussion #miraculer #mlb season 3 #mlb spoilers #mlb #mlb fandom #mlb puppeteer 2 #mlb determination #mlb season five #mlb season 5 spoilers #mlb season 4 #ml ladybug #ml marinette #ml spoilers #ml analysis #mlb analysis #adrienette #marichat #ladynoir #ladrien #adrinette

[zuppizup]

Okay, okay, so hear me out.

Rayla is the most beautiful person in TDP (obvs), but Callum is the prettiest?

Yes?

This makes sense in my head.

He so pretty. Look at that boy.

#look at that pretty boy #they make good looking characters in TDP #Callum and Rayla top tier #pretty and beautiful #I love them #also love that this is his ‘lets discuss killing’ face #let him commit crimes #for a treat #he deserves it #especially after season 5… #the dragon prince #tdp #rayllum #rayla #callum #tdp callum #tdp rayla

[wield-the-mighty-pen]

When the most normal person in your friend group is a formerly homeschooled trust-fund baby model, who plays soccer with his hands, smells faintly of cheese, and moonlights as a catboy, you know you've goofed up

#i used to think it was nino #but then he established a detectives office in the basement of his school #and started a resistance where everyone is named after condiments #and alya had been kind of insane since day 1 #and i dont think we even have to discuss marinette #love them all but theyre all crazy #adrien agreste #chat noir #nino lahiffe #alya cesaire #marinette dupain cheng #miraculous ladybug #mlb #miraculous #ml #ml leak free #miraculeakless #season 5 spoilers

[spaghetti-machete]

oh god. nandor's finally stable and happy and he's going to have his heart crushed by guillermo, isn't he

#wwdits #wwdits s5 #wwdits spoilers #wwdits fx #what we do in the shadows #what we do in the shadows season 5 #what we do in the shadows spoilers #what we do in the shadows fx #guillermo #guillermo de la cruz #nandor #nandor the relentless #nandermo #brushing aside all discussions of whether he 'deserves' it or not; nandor is presenting really gay and happy this season #he's friendly with guillermo #he bought him a birthday present that he put more than 1 thought into (even if it was only 2 thoughts) #yeah he's still not a good person. whatever. but oh boy after crushing guillermo with freddie and learning his lesson #he's finally starting to turn into a considerate person. isn't he. #he's gonna be a jam smear on the road emotionally

[thegoldenhoof]

I wish there was more discussion in OFMD fandom about how the impact of class/upbringing doesn't go away even without any money. Because that still shows up consistently the way Stede treats his crew ( and the way he, inspite of everything believes he'll come out alright on the other side. (And only he will.) )

This is not to say that Stede doesn't care for his crew. But rather his care is very heavily leaning towards a Noblesse Oblige kind of attitude rather than bonding as equals. Lucius points it out best but it is one of his most consistant characterization.

In no other moment does Stede shine as brightly as his rescue of the crew after learning of Ed's death.

In no other moment does he fall as low as his sushing of the crew of during Ed's "apology"

But both these moments are consistent with who he is when we see that caring for the crew is less a emotional attachment for Stede than a duty.

Rescuing the crew was still his obligation in his mind. Something he owed them.

( On a side note, I wonder if he would have rescued Izzy if the crew had opposed it. All evidence says no, simply because he doesn't owe Izzy anything. )

In this context his outrage at Olu and Jim joining Zheng Yi Sao makes sense because as much as he owes his crew a duty of care, after all he has done for them as he sees it, in his mind they owe him equivalent loyalty.

Does the fact that he is hurt in that moment and feels abandoned and betrayed by Ed make a difference.

Yes.

Without that he would be the Stede that would have asked "Did you mean to do that?" He would have asked why they wanted to leave.

But he, without doubt, would have seen it as a betrayal, even if he reacted to it less violently in other circumstances.

But Stede, even without his wealth, is a man who sees himself as a social better who both owes a duty to and is owed the loyalty of his crew. And as much as the duty of nobility urges one to care for the collective better, it doesn't obligate one to care about them as individuals.

#ofmd #stede bonet critical #? #its not critical per se.. just a facet of him I find fascinating that i don't see discussed often #izzy hands #just because i find Stede rescuing Izzy to be his best moment in season 2 #but also his most indifferent moment. #it is fascinating to see how that indifference changes in episode 4 and 5

[tadhannahj]

guillermo and his v card (vampire)

#but the way he and derek talked about turning him into a vampire #feels like talking about taking guillermo's virginity #wwdits stans discussed this better on twt #wwdits #wwdits s5 #what we do in the shadows #what we do in the shadows season 5 #guillermo de la cruz

[daenysthedreamer101]

HOTD S1 Rewatch

Ep 5 - We Light the Way

Oh, this one was messy!!!

Viserys dragged himself all the way to Driftmark - he was so desperate to marry Nyra off to the Velaryons 😭

Daemon killing Rhea... *disappointed head shake* RIP Rhea you were too much of a girlboss, Daemon couldn't handle you 😔

Rhaenys was so cute when she entered the Hall of Nine. The way she said "Cousin!" to Viserys gave off the same energy as when Robert said "Caaat!" to Catelyn. It must be the Baratheon blood lol

Ok, so Nyra's conversation with Criston. Even though his offer is ridiculous I did feel bad for him, kind of.

Idk, just the way Fabian delivered his line he just sounded so pathetic😭 and it did hit me a little bit. Especially the way his voice broke when he said "It is the only thing I have to my fcking name!"

But obviously, Nyra declined. She said do you see this platinum blonde wig? Do you see this lace front? I'm not taking care of that on my own lol

No but for real, how was she supposed to say yes to his offer? Yeah she may have complained about her station over the years but she matured and realized this is bigger than her and her desires, as Viserys said in ep 4

OMG WE SEE MELEYS FOR THE FIRST TIME! OUR BEAUTIFUL RED QUEEN! SHE IS SO PRETTY AND I LOVE HER ROAR/SCREAM!

Larys is slimy and shady I don't like him!

We come to the wedding. First of all, I gotta say I hate Nyra's hair! Omg, who thought of that? I like the rubies in the hair but I don't like the way it sits on her head, it looks weird. Also not that big of a fan of her dress. I guess I don't like the design, idk.

Love Laena's dress, she looked great. Daemon also looked great.

The way he just barged in and Viserys let him stay 😭

Jason Lannister is sooo corny with his sexist joke about women, good on Nyra for rolling her eyes at him 🙄

Something I didn't catch on the first watch is that when Alicent enters, everyone stands up except Daemon. I love him for that!👏

My man Harwin looked so good! He and Nyra were so cute dancing!

Not at Daemon heavily flirting with the bride at her own wedding, bye! I know Viserys's blood pressure was through the roof!

Joffrey should've kept his mouth shut, seriously.

Something else I saw people saying on the internet is that Criston as a commoner, wasn't raised at court so he doesn't understand court politics and the way nobles talk. I believe that's also why he fumbled so quickly when Alicent was questioning him.

It wouldn't be a GOT wedding without someone dying, now would it? 💀

I love when Lyonel nods to Harwin and Harwin starts slamming people left and right and the way he picks up Nyra and tosses her over his shoulder? Ughh that should be me!

That shot of Laenor screaming over Jofrey's dead body broke me!

And then, he has to marry someone else he has no interest in while the blood of his lover is still on the floor...sickening!

#asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #game of thrones #house of the dragon #hotd #house targaryen #hotd season 1 #hotd rewatch #hotd ep 5 #young rhaenyra #princess rhaenys targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #prince daemon targaryen #alicent hightower #harwin strong #laena velaryon #hotd discussion #king viserys #rhea royce #anti criston cole #laenor velaryon #corlys velaryon #house velaryon

[hufflepotato-18]

i might be overreaching, but this shot just feels so ominous

#miraculous ladybug #ml season 5 #ml adoration #ml spoilers #mlb #adrien agreste #chat noir #marinette dupain cheng #WHAT IF ADRIEN BECOMES A VILLAIN IN SEASON 6?? #AND MARINETTE HAS TO FIGHT HIM?? #AND BECOMES AFRAID OF HIM?? #PLEASE DISCUSS

[cocktailjjrs]

He LIVED Bitches!!!!

Long post ahead

First thing first... I love this starting pallet (i'm definitely overthinking)

Not complete white not complete black with prominent shadows, because every major character in the show is grey and one half of each partnership likes to lurk in shadows...This just highlights that things won't always be merry and colourful, but they won't completely be helpless...

Now to the episode itself...

We knew Aya was going to jump... Glad she was oh so delicately caught by Aku... I didn't think it was possible to clear everything in one episode, but expect the unexpected i guess...

And the main part of Dazai being alive and kicking...No but really, this is such a relief...

I kinda had the whole thing in the back of my mind that they can't kill Dazai, he is necessary for the plot armour to plot armour and all that shit...

But there was equal chances of Asagiri taking notes from Isayama or Gege and just decide, fuck it... let's keep him dead....If not the confirmed dead thing, then the dead till stated otherwise route that Hori took.

But i'm soooo glad Asagiri didn't do that!!!

Also, glad to know he is still as cocky as ever

AND AND AND

I screamed!!!! My fam started looking at me for two whole minutes like i've just gone crazy!!!

Because we got the prettiest boy speaking!!!

The look on Fyodor's face when he realised he was played by the one he had completely under his control (or he thought he had)... I think he realised the 'shallow bond' comment haunted him in this moment

I will deep dive into what exactly happened in those seconds in a later post, but i just wanna say

This is soooo damn funny!!!! Like you have this big bad mafia boss who has been MIA for the whole part of world destruction and his precious city being in the centre of it all (lets face it mori loves Yokohama more than he loves the whole world, he would gladly let the world burn if it means keeping that damn trouble-magnet city safe!) - BUT BUT BUT, then when things start to look up you only get a mention of the said boss and that too with a goofy fact such as he glued in vampire fangs to one of his executives! Don't tell me it's not an embarrassing dad thing to do, because it is!!!

I just know he, Hirotsu and Koyo has a hell of a time getting teenage soukoku to adulthood alive!!!

I mean -

WHAT DO YOU MEAN SIR YOU USED TO DO THIS ALL THE TIME???

No one's doing it like them!!!

Plus i just know Manga coming out is going to be even more gay than the anime, there will be more explanations and more fruity moments!!!

On a sad note...

Fyodor actually seems to be dead ( even if i don't believe it)

It hurt so bad to see Gogol man going - i wanted him dead, no i didnt, but maybe i did. His voice alone mad me sad...

But you know what i'm not sad about???

Getting rid of Fukuchi!!!

I'm not going to pretend that i felt even an ounce of sympathy for him, his whole 'i did this so you can bring peace' or 'some sacrifices are necessary for greater good' thing seemed forced to me. Like a desperate attempt at ending his character arc on a forgiving note, positive note...

But like i said, most characters in this show are grey... But there was none of Fukuchi's shade, and i didn't like it, even if in the end he wanted peace.

i do feel sad for Fukuzawa though,

He will have to live with that curse...

Plus i don't think Fukuchi is completely gone...

Decay of angel's may be over, but the mess they have left behind is not, there is still the other side of the page and whatever the fuck went down in those two hours...

But i'm glad that atleast Aku and Atsushi are on same side this time...

and this looks so much like:

So yeah, it's just another start!!!

Plus, You remember Soukoku came to fame after final battle of Dragon Head conflict?

The Finale of Decay of Angels will the foundation of Shinsoukoku's journey...

The two of them against all the threats to come...

We sure are in for a treat!!!

#there are so many things i want to add #but i'm sleep deprived already #any more and i'll collapse #lets discuss more when im a bit more coherent #i love the fact that bsd is trending for two days still #bungou stray dogs #bsd #chuuya nakahara #bsd spoilers #dazai osamu #soukoku #bsd dazai #bsd manga #bsd chuuya #bsd anime #bsd season five #bsd season 5 #bsd s5 ep 11 #bungo stray dogs spoilers #shin soukoku #akutagawa ryuunosuke #bsd akutagawa #atsushi nakajima #bsd atsushi #bungou stray dogs atsushi #decay of angels #nikolai gogol #pyrrha nikos #bsd nikolai #bsd fukuzawa

[samanthaswishes]

Sighing in disappointment as I'm listening to a new (for me at least) Agents of Shield podcast where the podcasters agree with Fitz when he throws the whole "Do you want me to tell you how many times you've betrayed us?" in season 5.

Sighing in MAJOR disappointment.

I've agreed with a lot of what they have said about the show thus far, so I was hopeful that they would defend Daisy, but there is little to no defense on Daisy's side. Not giving me faith for the remainder of season 5 in regard to this subject.

Here's your daily reminder that Fitz did potentially paralyzing, nonconsensual surgery on Daisy while she was still awake, without any pain killers, traumatizing her, and never felt any remorse for what he had done to her while also victim blaming her, saying she deserved it after """betraying""" the team """so many times""".

#anti fitz #anti leo fitz #anti leopold fitz #these podcasters arent actually the biggest fitz fans #and they are usually descent daisy defenders #but i am disappointed on their views on this topic #daisy johnson #daisy johnson deserves better #standwithquake #really is a challenge for me not to say anything when discussing season 5b lol #but i feel so deeply on this and i will defend season 5 daisy with my life.

[spittyfishy]

What did you think of Season 5 of ML, if you have seen it?

So, I have seen season 5 and frankly… I wasn’t a fan.

Season 5 was just chocked full of missed opportunities, because there were some interesting ideas there but the show's writing fumbled the execution so hard it was difficult to watch at times. Just seeing character assasination after character assasination unfold on screen was so unpleasant. I don’t think a single character came out of season 5 unscathed, I’m wracking my brain for anyone that got better this season, or at least didn’t get worse in some way, and I can’t think of any.

To be fair, there were a few bits I liked. A couple akuma designs were good (Hoaxer, Dark Humour, Queen Mayor, and Ryukomori). I thought the Ryukomori episode was well done, I’d probably say it was the best of the season (which is a low bar). But everything else with Kagami was bad. Full honesty I hate Felix and what his role in the story has been so far, but I especially don’t like that Kagami got brought down with him. Felix is the entire reason Hawkmoth got EVERY OTHER MIRACULOUS and it seems like everyone forgot that?? He didn’t get any consequences At All, and yet when Chloé worked with Hawkmoth (when he already had the miraculous for the record) she was painted as the worst person on earth.

I know I’m not the only one who’s pointed out the double standard between how the girl characters are treated compared to the boys, but it really got highlighted this season. Male characters like Andre, Jaggedstone, Felix, and even Hawkmoth himself can do any number of horrible things and still be ‘sympathetic’, but the two fourteen year old girls are irredeemably evil?

I’ll admit I'm biased, Chloé has been my favourite favorite character since I started watching in season one, but she really deserved better than the show gave her. I don’t have an issue with her staying a villain, in fact I think she worked really well as a minor antagonist in season one, she moved the story along and was entertaining to watch. But the last two seasons they’ve made her out to be this giant threat, but haven’t let her actually do anything! She’s been nothing more then a lacky to Lila and Hawkmoth, as far as having Lila in her ear telling her exactly what to say. If Chloé is as bad as the show claims then she shouldn’t need other characters to hold her hand and tell her how to be mean.

But the writing is just like that. They really need to get better at ‘show don’t tell’, and even more importantly, consistency. Because they keep adding things after the fact and retconning things from the earlier seasons to try and clap back at fans criticisms, and it’s just sad. I’ll never stop complaining about the absolute train wreck that was Derision. They made Chloé worse then she was in season one, and made Kim so much dumber then he needed to be. At the beginning of season one Kim was characterized as a bully, he antagonized Ivan in Stone Heart and helped Chloé willingly in episodes like LadyWifi. But for Derision Chloé had to trick him into pranking Marinette? Why?

The pacing in that episode was even worse, because so much of it was dedicated to a flash back everything else was rushed at the end. And Marinette saying she’d never crush on anyone again if she didn’t know everything about them was clearly just the writers trying to justify her frankly creepy actions in earlier seasons because people pointed out that it wasn’t cute or funny it was just weird. And her whole line and issues in that episode flat out don’t work as a retcon because A: why even crush on Adrian at all if she vowed not to like anyone associated with Chloé, and B: we’ve already seen her in a relationship with Luka where she didn’t show ANY of the obsessive behaviour she showed Adrian OR freaking out about going on dates. AND ON TOP OF THAT there’s been two other timelines where her and Adrian have started a relationship (Chat Blanc, Ephemeral) and she hasn’t had any of the issues that come up in Derision.

It’s just such a lazy way of writing the story, and that’s really the core issue with this season. It feels lazy, like the writers couldn’t be bothered to watch their own show and make plots that fit in the world they’ve already built.

Miraculous is a franchise that’s dear to my heart, it’s how I met my best friend and really became comfortable sharing my art online, and I still really like creating content related to the characters, but I’ve been very disappointed in the show since about the end of season three. I still have a small amount of hope that maybe the show will turn itself around and improve, but it’s dwindling.

But at least when cannon goes off it’s rocker that’s what fan works are for!

#this got longer then I intended and that’s even after cutting a bunch of other complaints lol #no matter how bad the show gets I doubt I’ll stop making fan art tho so there’s that lol #the class and the akumas were always my favourite part of the show so both of those getting sidelined this season bothered me #I don’t like the romance elements because like #these are 14/15 year olds why are we even discussing soul mates?? #people that age will have any number of crushes yes #but it’s kinda too young to actually start dating? #plus neither Marinette or Adrian are really in a position where they’d have the time to dedicate to a relationship it would need #anyway lol #how do I tag this? #miraculous salt #kinda? #miraculous season 5

[isaangie-art]

TOH FANDOM RN WITH THE "FOR THE FUTURE" LEAKS:

MEANWHILE MLB FANDOM WITH EVERY LEAKED EP CLIPS OUT OF ORDEN:

*sigh* New year's first week... new leaked stuff

... Srly, why does this keep happening?

(I'm already used to it since last year tho xD)

#toh for the future #the owl house #toh #toh fandom #mlb season 5 #mlb s5 #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #discussion #text post #text #my thoughts #isaangie #isaangie-art

[wackus-bonkus-maximus]

Idk if you’ve heard yet, but apparently the miraculous writing team released a commentary about the s5 finale, and in it they said that Chat Noir not being in the finale was their plan from the beginning (like 2014/15) so they could use the Bug Noire powerup with Marinette. Since you’re working on LoA, I’m curious for your thoughts 😬

i have been off tumblr for a few days but the gist of all the discourse seems to be a disfavorable attitude toward this decision!

"kill your darlings" isn't just about killing characters - it's about killing things that you personally really want in your story if they don't work. personally, i think they could have made bug noire work. there's a lot going against adrien already that he felt chat noir couldn't have helped in the final battle. he didn't need to have a dream about destroying the world; ladybug could've told him about it, and it would have been narratively satisfying to her arc of secret keeping. even moreso, because by chat noir not being present at the battle, ladybug lost and gabriel made the wish. then she could've started season six with reason to think she can't tell anything to adrien, but to chat noir too. and if chat noir had a little breakdown about his chat blanc past, it would have justified ladybug not sending that text to chat about gabriel's identity (in that moment). she probably wouldn't have wanted him to know he'd basically killed gabriel, too.

it just seems like bug noire is a darling they were determined to keep and paid the cost of more coherent narrative decisions to get there. it seems also like adrien remaining in the dark is also a darling the writers wanted to keep. sure, they're getting to tell the story they wanted, but not in the most cohesive or coherent way. but you know what, at least it invites a lot of fic ideas for how the post-wish world should look! and that's really what me and noodles are doing in lies of attrition.

#ml s5 #ml season 5 #ml re-creation #bug noire #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #ml s5 discussion #ml s5 discourse #kill your darlings #loa #lies of attrition

[blonde-and-cat-suc]

One of my favorite Catra scenes is this quick moment in Shot in the Dark in which Melog appears threateningly behind the group, and Catra's immediate reaction is to push Glimmer and Bow out of the way and jump at Melog.

I wish we've seen more of this Catra. Rather than showing her being rude to everyone around her - including people she severely hurted - I wish we could have seen more of her actively caring about and protecting the people that surrounds her, close allies or randoms civilians ; it would have shown a real development of her chaotic personality and would have made it easier to accept her redemption.

Hi! I wish we could have seen more of this Catra as well.

I'd like to point out that my personal understanding of Melog as a "character" (bear with me here) is that she is a reflection of whatever is going through Catra's head... So, this "character" is essentially... Catra. Almost... talking to herself? Naturally, I could be missing the mark with Melog (who has never stood out to me in my first watch of the show, nor any of other time). I'm sure there's something to analyze there with, at least, this interpretation of Melog... What does it say about Catra...? Is she protecting the group... from herself?

Either way... What did stand to me about Melog was that she's introduced entirely too late have any lasting impact on Catra (and the narrative). Which is also to say that this moment of Catra being, uh, protective of her, um, friends? Also comes... entirely too late to have made any lasting impact.

But, yes, I wish we would have more of this. Earlier. Much earlier.

#thanks for the ask : ) #salt salt salt #melog and catra #im not unique in thinking that a catra redemption arc should have started AGES ago in the series but #well... that's still true to me and is not very subjective to change #season 5? what season 5? #sorry for the late response i have been going through The Holidays #more melog discussion later