#talia rant

[propheticpanickingnerd]

Jason's time in the league except he knew Damian.

Like yeah I know Damian is a test tube baby and got aged a bit faster or something but imagine this.

Talia, no matter how mischaracterised, develops a soft spot for Jason while he is catatonic. She is also a mother and has been/is undeniably in love with Bruce. No matter how much it sounds like she only loved Bruce to produce the perfect heir, they were in love, even if it was just once. She, mother of Bruce's child, raising him to be strong, the way she know how, ready to let him be free and meet his father, shall he desire. That same mother finds Jason, the dead son, of his grave, wandering, his mind never fully there, and decides to heal his injuries and help him heal.

Maybe that wasn't the plan, at first, maybe she never expect to be mother of a child not biologically related to her. Maybe by the way she was raised or by the standards that surrounded her. But now? As she watches her child, because Jason is her son, murder is professors because he finds them unworthy of breathing. Maybe then she realises that motherhood was something she wished for, maybe living peacefully. She wouldn't, though. Maybe in another time, but now? She had her father to manipulate while watching her children thrive.

Maybe they could've been in a life without blood, but the doubts it. The kids are attracted to danger, most likely, they love saving. Albeit their methods bloody, she knows it won't last long, with her beloved so close.

Maybe she lets Jason go back to Gotham, followed by a couple Shadows under her and her sons command only. She calls every week, checks in, asks what his plans are, how the bat is doing. Maybe she lets him yell at her, his frustrations wild, that she knows can only be pleased with blood, that she knows makes his opinion of his family twisted. Never of Talia, no, maybe he never called her mother, but she is sure he would never let her see him this way otherwise. Maybe it's because she saw him at his worst, once, but maybe, maybe she can dwell on maybes, for once, and hope that Jason does consider her his mother. Even if she could never replace his late mother, at least letting her help him with his plans is the most she can ask for.

With that, she understands Gotham, instead of being through reports, news, old tales from her beloved, it's from her son. Soon, it would be from both of them.

For now, until Jason creates his big reveal, finishes his plans, deals with whatever issues he wants to deal with, she will let him have Gotham to himself. She will keep her father away. She will continue doting on Damian, as she will tell him stories of her beloved, The Bat, and let his eyes shine. As she could not preserve her sons innocence, but she could try to ignite their hopes.

#talia rant #i do really love her character #shes sweet #or maybe thats the mommy issues talking #oh well #batman #jason todd #damian wayne #damian al ghul #red hood #talia al ghul #talia #bruce and talia #thoughts

[bruciemilf]

Bi-Han wifed up the baddest bitch in Outworld (she can't fight her way out of a lunch bag and she's God's favourite idiot)

#anyway goodbye male/female hello ninja/farm girl #some talia (the oc) lore bc i wanna rant abt her LETS GOOOO. she's from the southern part of edenia #due to northern prejudices and general royal dickiness. southerners are generally regarded as uneducated barbarians #simply because they're mainly farmers and homebuilders. Talia was selected as Kitana and Mileena's nanny/nursemaid #since they were babies and they love her sm. they def see her as a second mother and wanted to set her up with sindel multiple times #she was childhood friends with the lin kuei bros bc they'd sneak around all the time. bi-han made her promise they'll get married when #he becomes grandmaster. talia accepted because of COURSE he'll be one. a good one. a loyal one. :) #TALIA IS CHAOTIC GOOD. shes sweet and kind but this woman would fight satan for a pop tart #bi-han loves her so much but you bet he chases her pretty ass everyhere cause she gets herself in trouble all the time. #anyway dumbass women rule <333 #bi-han #bi han #mk1 #mortal kombat #mk x oc #canon x oc #digital art #wip #lee draws

[telffiin]

okok it's that time of the week time to air my grievances about fandom!!

the obsession with making the al ghuls comically abusive towards damian so bruce or dick can feel angsty and sad about it and then give a tonguelashing to talia is so prevalent and annoying and racist.

it also always involves bruce/dick being like 'you will never see damian again graah!!!' like ok white savior. alright.

bruce gets written as a super good dad and has all his canon fuck-ups ignored, but talia doesn't get the same treatment, even though she deserves it far more than him. instead she's just an evil brown woman whose sole purpose in life is to abuse her kid and be a predator. yay. you are So Progressive.

'dick grayson is damian wayne's parent' so where's that kid's mom? best case scenario she just doesn't seem to exist. worst case makes me go on rants like this one lmao.

talia also gets constantly used as everyone's whipping girl for the most absurd shit it's ridiculous.

regarding ra's: who the fuck is that guy you write. because he sure as hell isn't ra's al ghul. ra's Loves his family. he is not non-stop killing talia or damian for whatever reason. are you stupid. i literally just read a comic where he killed a guy because he shot and killed talia.

there are literally so many more things i've got a bone to pick with but others have made much more eloquent and put together posts than this one. also i'm tired👍👍👍

#rant #dc #batman #fandom #fandom critical #fandom racism #bruce wayne #dick grayson #talia al ghul #damian wayne #ra's al ghul #batman fandom #damian al ghul

[devine-fem]

No because Damian angst could be so much more interesting if it wasn’t “Oh, thank GOD, Damian’s white saviors took him away from that awful, cruel and wicked pseudo mom Talia, oh thank god that he has Selina Kyle now!” and instead talked about how Damian was proned to violence since the moment he could walk and make noises with his mouth and was taught never to feel emotions THEN it goes to oh, son, you’ve made the choice to be with me so let me show you how to cope with that… with more violence as a pattern of unhealthy coping mechanisms instilled in you and me at a young age and you can show emotions! buuuut you have to wear this suit and take on a whole other identity then when out of the suit you have to wear a facade so no one truly knows about the suit in the first place and this won’t be confusing for a child at all! … Bruce Wayne.. what? And oh, this guy who thinks you’re a responsibility and generally vexing is going to take you under his wing because he thinks no one else can deal with you otherwise and you get a little close but eventually he hurts and abandoneds you as well but now you’re on good terms because the narrative has decided that no one can wrong you except the only person who loved you at first (Talia, the only person who thought it’d be a good idea to take you out of their lives in order to keep you away from this exhausting path of violence and masking) but it’s fine! … Okay, Dick… and then you’re fighting with your brother because he’s jealous of you taking his place and he calls you worthless, unworthy of love and your mantle and unworthy of your fathers trust… Okay, Tim…? Does anyone wanna love Damian for Damian and not love him only when its convenient to their own personal mission please? No?

NO ONE REALIZES THAT ITS NOT ABOUT DAMIAN NOT BEING AN AL GHUL! BEING AN AL GHUL DOESNT MAKE HIM EVIL! ITS NOT ABOUT HOW HE’S TREATED BY HIS FAMILY. ITS THAT CHOICE!! Damian needs to make more choices for himself instead of living by some destiny and going by whatever everyone else expects of him! His heart is good and worthy and he doesn’t need to be an Al Ghul or a Bat to figure that out! He needs to make more choices to be the best version of himself he can be but we’re too busy demonizing the Al Ghuls in fandom and in comics to realize that!!!

#AGH LIKE PLEASE I BELIEVE IN GOOD DAD BRUCE THOUGH I SWEAR… at least for damian #he has done bad things to damian in the past just aghh #i also like dick and damians relationship but jesus guys he is NOT his father #this might surprise you but GASP he has two parents alread and is not the adopted one #this was way longer than needed jesus #damian wayne #batfam #bruce wayne #talia al ghul #damian wayne meta #dc comics #dick grayson #batman #rant #THE FACT THAT HE WANTED TO BE BETTER SHOWS THAT BUT THE WRITERS WONT LET HIM DO MOREEE AHH WEVE ALOST THE PLOT

[spectremarvel]

A thing about me, I *will* completely ignore canon characterization when it's straight up bad writing. It's not the characters fault when a pervert/racist/fascist gets ahold of them >:[

#this was meant to be a certified batman rant #but this also applies to so many comic book characters #jason hal talia ras barbara just to name a few from dc #dont get me started on marvel........

[ladydisasterinthemaking]

A rant and a discovery.

The idea of Damian and Danny being twins didn’t seem that novel to me, and I chalked it up to reading too much ‘found family’ or ‘long lost relative’ fanfics. But then I went to fanfiction.net, and stumbled upon a very familiar username. The user name seemed really, really familiar for some reason. I clicked on their profile then clicked on a Danny Phantom x Batman crossover of theirs... And would you look at that — It’s a one-shot about Danny and Damian being twins, and I suddenly remembered reading this years ago! THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. REPEATEDLY. Holy cannoli. The fic: Green Flecks by DreamersMyth27

#dp x dc #dp x dc crossover #dp x dc au #dpxdc #dpxdc au #dpxdc crossover #random rant #dc x dp crossover #dc x dp au #dc x dp #dcxdp #dcxdp crossover #Danny Phantom #Damian Wayne #Bruce Wayne #Jasmine Fenton #Jazz Fenton #Talia Al Ghul #I am shocked #reading fanfiction

[fancyfade]

Also sorry i got bit with the "be a bitch " bug tonight

But anyway I feel batman era dick is often softened way too much in fandom in general with interactions with damian, especially in comparison to how fandom treats damians parents, ESPECIALLY especially in comparison to how fandom treats talia

But like. For a general damians parents thing I know I've seen a Fanwork that was trying to compare mean old Bruce ignoring or putting pressure on an injured dick to good dick being present and comforting to an injured damian... when the latter is LITERALLY not true for dick bats its like he makes sure damian isn't dying then fucks off on whatever mission. Or to resurrect a zombie Bruce.

Or like. You're reading damian fanfic and suddenly talia is portrayed as EVEN WORSE THAN IN CANON and damian got like physically beaten for punishment or we in the league or subject to extremely painful training rituals just so dick can comfort damian.

Like jfc guys let damian have positive interactions with his parents. You want to grab the worst writing for Bruce as possible to maximize batboy angst? Fine but at least let him have positive interactions with talia

#dc comics #fade rants #damian wayne #Bruce wayne #talia al ghul

[foultreenightmare]

Why do comics change Damians' skin color. It's not even like different comic runs that go on at the same time, but comics that change his skin halfway through the series. An example of this would be Robin 2021, where he went from

Just look at him. Don't you just love how he looks from the nose to the eyes all the way to the to his height.

Then they change it to this

I'm sorry, but those are not the same characters. Yes, I know that is damian, and he acts like Damian, but what was the point of changing his design. No one else got a redesign besides Damian. If you can even call it a redesign since, the only thing they change is his skin and features.

And no hate to the artist, but DC has a really big colorist problem. In the beginning, Damian was murding again and returned to his roots. He looked like his Talia, but when he became good again, he looked like Bruce but with green eyes.

When Damian is evil or troublesome, he is usually depicted with darker skin, but when he is good, he has paler skin.

The same can be said about talia and other characters that turn lighter or darker depending on how their morality is depicted.

#bo better dc #damian wayne #robin #robin 2021 #talia al ghul #ruce wayne #damian is a race changing shapshifter #dc needs to decide whether damian is whote or not #why is white when he's good but darker when he's not #rant? #not really a rant #dc needs to stop race changing Damian every 5 seconds #why are the al ghuls white when theyre good? #people need to understand that this is an issue #i just an answer thats all #dc stop being cowards

[dcbnam-aep]

so maya hawke can make out with talia ryder in a netflix original series but not natalia dyer?? both women with defined jawlines, basically the same name and significant height differences with maya hawke?? how am i meant to live love laugh in these conditions

#duffer brothers come out of ur cave #the audacity of Netflix #maya hawke #talia ryder #natalia dyer #do revenge #stranger things #izzy rants about ronance #ronance #robin buckley x nancy wheeler #robin buckley #nancy wheeler #eleanor x gabbi

[thottybrucewayne]

For as much as I like Damian, the instance of not changing his backstory because he "won't be angsty enough" makes reading any comic he shows up in a chore, to say the least. Even when there's an attempt to portray the Al Ghuls as multifaceted characters, the specters of racism and xenophobia are constantly looming. In this modern era of comics, the blatant in-your-face demonization and xenophobic character assassinations of the mid-2000s are no longer in vogue. Talia and Ra's have gotten makeovers and rebrands. They get to have interiority as characters and are even shown to love and care for Damian, but it all still serves to uphold the editorially mandated quiet suggestion that Damian's mother's side was abusive, savage, and wrong-minded. In this new era, we are told that, although Talia and Ra's have since atoned and "seen the light", Damian is much better off with his mostly white side of the family. By having Ra's and Talia constantly apologizing with vague illusions of to their past actions, it reinforces the narrative that Damian needs to live with Bruce to purge him of the brutality instilled in him by his mother and his grandfather. It's all very "White Man's Burden"

#thotty speaks #thotty rants #dc comics #damian wayne #talia al ghul #ras al ghul #I like Damian and Talia and Ra's alot but we have to be honest about the way these characters are presented #thotty talks comics #batman

[ghostlyleech]

me when i get a utrh angst edit on my fyp and the comments are filled with jason haters:

(i hate when people hate on jason or bruce for what happened during utrh like they both had their reasons and were both valid for them it doesn't make one more right then the other tho and definitely doesn't warrant hate for either of them)

#like im not saying that he's a saint or anything lots of the things he did was terrible and even with the whole pit rage thing #and talia's manipulating him he still did bad things #but the comments were acting like bruce was completely right like yeah it was bad that jason taunted him with dick's(supposed) death #but he was also angry and scared and grieving #they both were #they both made mistakes but it doesnt make one or the other right or wrong they both had their reasons for doing the things they did #just the comments calling jason an idiot and saying he was making it about himself like yeah?? it was literally HIS death #like yeah bruce suffered from grief for so long but like he wasn't the one who died and came back to see his murderer still alive #rant #batfam #jason todd #rant post #batman #bruce wayne #batman and robin #under the red hood

[raindrvq]

NOW WHY DID I FIND OUT THAT PPL ON TIKTOK ARE SAYING TALIA IS THE MOST BORING SONG IN RTC !?

do not disrespect Talia like that its such an beautiful song and just because it's simpler than some of the other songs doesn't mean its not meaningful.

#not abt to go on a rant here but how do ppl listen to talia and go 'yea this is boring' #rtc #ride the cyclone #ride the cyclone musical #mischa bachinski #rtc mischa #mischa rtc

[jonathan-samuel-smith]

It irks me that the overwhelming majority of Damijon arranged marriage fics on ao3 are negative towards the concept. The view in white America is that it's immoral, forced marriage, about control. I have to say that's a racist mischaracterization. Arranged marriages are completely normal practices as capable of being healthy as any marriage and arguably moreso. My culture throws the baby out with the bathwater worrying about abuse like it's somehow arranged marriage's fault and not the abusers'. Arranged marriage is voluntary.

When I search for the arranged marriage tag I want to see them being arranged to marry, not forbidden lovers because one of them is betrothed to another. It especially bothers me because Damian is Pakistani. Imposing our arbitrary morals onto his fictional life. We think we do it better but dating, courtship, arranged betrothal, they're all just different ways of partnering up. What matters is the connection, the companionship.

I've noticed it's a problem specifically with the super sons as my other ships have a more equal balance of pro vs anti arranged marriage fics. I think I'll write my own fic. Talia as a good mom who sets Damian up with Jon. Jon's nervous about it but he forms a strong connection and companionship and eventually falls deeply in love (where my demiromantics at?) To where he's so greatful to Talia.

Damian at first sees it as his duty but then when he gets to know Jon he realizes that Talia did this to try to better her son's life, not control it. She gives him a talk about how the marriage is entirely up to him. after that Damian allows his feelings to come into the picture, expecting resentment to creep in but instead receives a flood of affection towards Jon.

For their wedding I think I'll do some research on wedding traditions from the area the league is set in and base their ceremony on that. If you want to reblog to add anything on like for example resources about weddings and arranged marriages I would be. So so happy.

Final note: I don't think Talia would set them up as children! I do think it could be cute in fiction but it's certainly not realistic.

#also no shade to ppl writing arranged marriage royal AU forbidden love but. come on ppl... more variety at least... #damian wayne #jonathan samuel kent #jondami #damian al ghul wayne #jon kent #super sons #damijon #headcanons #text post #rant #writing talk #talia al ghul #damian al ghul

[aingeal98]

I have like. Two versions of Damian Wayne in my head. I think it's a consequence of getting to know and love him via Morrison's run on him and then wanting to know more, doing research into his mother's side, and being horrified by how racist the retcons made were. It didn't really change how much I enjoy Damian in any significant way, because I liked him for his dynamic with the batfamily and how entertaining he is as Robin. It's just that when it comes to anything deeper than that, about what motivates him, what he internalized growing up, the impact his childhood abuse had on him, anything to do with Ras or Talia really... A lot of writers fail so badly at making it compelling and instead just make me cringe and want them never to touch the al Ghuls again. And so we end up with two Damians:

Damian Wayne aka the Damian I love: Most easily described as an in-character, well written Damian with a solid backstory. Robin Son of Batman and his Robin run both pull this off pretty well. They don't downplay the horror of his childhood but they don't cross over into cartoonish territory either, and they allow Damian to have complicated thoughts and feelings about what he did and what was done to him. You can see how his abuse shaped him without it being shoved hamfistedly down your throat, and I don't come away thinking "I have to ignore all of this no matter how important it is to his character because logically Ras and/or Talia would not fucking do that". Also he's hilarious and makes me root for him whether he's insulting his enemies or electrocuting Jason or dying for the fifth/sixth time. Like that's my son and I can write a million words on his mentality and how it's changed and his opinions on his parental figures and his character development and how he'd interact with x or y character and-

And the second Damian, aka the Woobie Damian. The one you get where hack writers want to give him a sad backstory to justify how Edgy and Badass and Damaged he is and write the most cartoonishly over the top evil Ras and Talia possible. Most recent example I can think of is Tom King saying Ras locked Damian in a box with no water for a week because he didn't tie his shoelaces right. Or Morrison's Talia murdering her own son. Or how SuperSons wrote Talia. And look, it's not that I won't accept horribly, ridiculously evil villains. My favourite character's dad abused her in more extreme ways than even the worst al Ghul writer could come up with. It's that these are characters with already established personalities and traits. Unless they are being mind controlled they would not act like that and do these things. Just like how Bruce Wayne wouldn't lock Dick in a cave and feed him rats. There are ways you can show the impact of growing up in a cult and raised by an evil grandfather and being told repeatedly that you are destined to lead them all into a better world and trained in the art of killing a man. And these writers fail miserably at pulling any of that off. It's as shallow and boring as "You know why I'm mean to you all the time? Because my family taught me love is a weakness. I said mean things to you and stabbed you but my grandfather used to beat me for showing kindness to animals. Don't you feel sorry for me now?"

It sucks. I hate it. Anything with that Damian in it, I automatically filter out of my personal canon. The only way I can think of making it good is if it's like the "Slice the Baby Saturday" meme, where Damian is just bullshitting to see how much he can get away with and deliberately testing his family with stereotypes. But unfortunately those writers are dead serious about Ras making Damian climb up a whole mountain with no safety gear even if he falls and breaks his arm or dies. Because that is definitely something you would do with your one and only heir. They're literally two minutes away from saying Ras gave Damian a puppy and then told Talia to kill it in front of him.

So basically when I say that I love Damian and he's my favourite male Robin, know that woobie Damian is not a part of this conversation. Real Damian I would kill for. A writer puts woobie Damian in front of me and says his mom stabbed him I say let him bleed out so I won't have to endure comics about him anymore.

#dc #damian wayne #talia al ghul #ras al ghul #dc rambles #sorry it's time for my monthly al ghul rant #I bottle it up every time I see a bad Damian comic and then vent it in posts like these #abuse tw

[anime-potato-san]

Talia is a horrible person

First point, she r***ed Bruce in Son of Batman, and everyone just glosses over it. It doesn’t matter how she did it, it’s the face she did it at all. What she did was wrong and she deserves to be called out for it. Men and women both get SA and it’s horrible. Her calling Bruce “Beloved” doesn’t change anything. I’m not even getting into how she groomed Jason in that one comic. And just in case anyone says anything about Poison Ivy, I don’t like her either.

Secondly, even if you take out the SA, saying it was just character assassination, she’s still a bad person. In my opinion, the League of Assassins is basically a cult, so it’s definitely not a good environment to be in. Even if Talia cares about Damian, she still didn’t treat him right by raising him as a weapon, not letting him be a kid. He’s the way his is because of his upbringing. She’s definitely manipulative too, with how she talks to people and the way she acts.

Now there is the fact she kills people, but honestly that’s not really the worst thing out there, so I’ll ignore that. (Especially because Jason is one of my favorite characters and he’s got a kill count-)

Overall, I think she’s a horrible human being, and I feel like people should treat her like the terrible person she is, and that she would not be a good mom or a part of the batfam. My personal hot take, thanks for hearing me out.

#talia al ghul #son of batman #batman #batfam #fuck talia #why don’t more people hate her??? #she’s always been a trash person #dc #bruce wayne #justice for my man #posion ivy #tw sa mention #sorry for the rant #I just wish more people talked about this #not judging anyone who disagrees #but I personally hate her #nothing is changing my mind #sorry for all the tags #damian wayne #have a nice day #oh and fuck tarantula as well #sorry for the weird writing #I was writing fast #fixed it though

[dyslexicandakeyboard]

Something that will always get me about this fandom is the lengths they will go to protect Talia for no reason. Like no fucking reason.

They'll complain and cry when she's written villainously even though she's been portrayed as a straight up villain since Death of the Maidens (Which gave reason to their shift).

They'll complain and cry when she's written as morally gray like her how she's been portrayed since her conception. (This means complicit with genocide of 90% of the human race and eco-terrorism along with destroying countless cultures and meddling with affairs that don't concern them. Which is a bad thing.)

Talia is not and has never been nor will ever, if she is STILL working with the league, be portrayed as MORTALLY GOOD and get in a relationship with Bruce by DC.

And the thing that will get me is that they just want Talia to be with Bruce! It's like they don't care about their characters as individuals as long as they end up together or DC makes their relationship more important that it really is/was. Not that it was a just a blip, but since like after the early 2000's, it's clear that there isn't romance in their relationship anymore. (Unless DC comes and fucks me over.)

Just read the shit that they're in and stop complaining! And stop spreading it in the main tags too!

Talia Al Ghul is a villain. From her conception as a character she has always been Bruce's adversary. Is there romantic/sexual tension, sure. Is that the same with villains like Poison Ivy, yes again.

If Talia Al Ghul stays a villain (which does mean if she still works with the LoA) she can't get with Bruce or they have to have a short, sexual, tragic FAILED relationship.

#anti talia al ghul #anti talia #not an anti #just ranting #the dumb ass good-washing some people in this fandom do to the LoA #is so dumb #they're bad people #not that you can't find them intersting #but like them as a villian #stop jumping though hoops to come to the conclusion that they are #actually good and have better methods and that dc is holding back from being the good guys acturally #they have a pointg #those are not smart things to say if you like have a working brain #and hight mental cognitions