#aditf

[thejasontoddarchives]

They say life is a circle …

Batman #427-428 // Batman: Wayne Family Adventures (S2) Ep. 104 - Mask Off

#jason todd #robin jason #red hood #aditf #batman 427 #batman 428 #wfa #batman: wayne family adventures #wfa spoilers #dc spoilers #dc

[ghost-bxrd]

Hi, how about a panel where Jason screams at Batman “I never say please!” and another panel in Ethiopia where he’s just going “please dad, please…”? :))))

#based on that one audio from TikTok #I woke up in cold sweat thinking about that btw #I was like #WHAT IF #and then I had to get myself a donut as a treat #jason todd #batfamily #batdad #Batman #under the red hood #red hood #a death in the family #aditf #jaybin #Robin Jason #Robin 02 #ghost talks

[goodoldfashionedengineer]

So, most of you will probably know that Jason's use of weapons is suuuper inconsistent.

Sometimes he's using guns with real bullets. Sometimes he uses rubber bullets. Sometimes he uses no guns at all. Sometimes he uses a crowbar.

Yes, his use of guns reads to me how he stands to the batfamily - but that's not what this post is about.

Some writers just really don't want him to use guns.

But because he's a vigilante, he needs an alternative. Can be hand to hand combat. Or like the aforementioned crowbar.

(If they are using this approach, I don't think they should use any basic ass crowbar that you can get from any hardware store. Make it electric, give it paint, put glitter on it, just do something with if you think "yeah, let's give this guy who was violently beaten with a crowbar, a crowbar as his main weapon")

If you really don't want him to use guns, then just bring back the All-Blades. His magic swords which he can only summon when used on an evil person.

And yes, I am aware they are only effective against magic, but it's comics, you can write the ever the fuck you want, if they'd want to, they could change it.

Like, imagine he tracks down the next big bad, has him cornered. He is about summon the blades - but he can't.

He decides "not worth my time".

The big bad? Totally offended by this.

What do you mean not worth your time?! He has planned this for months into the finest detail and now what? You just say 'nah' and leave?!

Jason punches him. Hard.

Just because he can't summon the blades, just because he isn't deemed evil enough, doesn't mean Jason can't give him a good punch.

#jason todd #dc #dc comics #batman #batman comic #batman comics #all blades #all caste jason todd #the joker #joker #a death in the family #death in the family #aditf #ditf #batman death in the family #batman family #batfam #batfamily #dcu #dccomics

[gecemi09]

Do you ever think about how horrible of a title "Batman's Greatest Failure" is? How degrading and dehumanising? Everything you achieved in life is forgotten and reduced to the way it ended.

You aren't a person. You are a failure. Your whole life is pushed aside and made a part of someone else's life story. You never mattered, if it weren't for that person you would have meant nothing at all.

Aren't you glad? Aren't you glad you are remembered as something? Even if that something is just saying your whole existence equals just to a mistake in someone's life? An old page that everyone is so desperate to forget. A lapse in judgement. A regret. The people you saved, the people you loved, what you did in life, none of that matters. All that matters is how another person was affected by your death. That is all you will ever be. Everything you did and didn't do will always be irrevocably tied to that person, for better or worse.

You are unable to exist without that person and the only way for you to exist is through his perception of you. The only way for others to see you is to look at you through his biased interpretations of who you were.

You weren't a child or a hero or a martyr or a son or a victim. All you ever were, and will be, is someone's "Greatest Failure".

#can you tell im having Thoughts about jason again #it just came to me all of a sudden #your entire existence is described as another person's greates failure #you don't have a voice in how he tells your story #you can not correct him because yiu are dead. and even after you arent #he will never listen to you #you cant control your own story #your narrative is puppeteered by a narrator who paints you as a mistake #who HAS to paint you as a mistake because otherwise he would have to answer questions that he cannot answer lest they break him #works both in and out of universe #bruce lied abt him bc he would break otherwise #and dc lied bc otherwise ppls would start questioning batman mythos #jason todd #red hood #aditf #robin #robin jason #character meta #meta #jason todd meta #batman #batman comics

[dolldefaced]

other people have talked about it, but i do think it's very sad that jason's like...mental state was largely forgotten post aditf and his benching and such blamed on aggressive actions

(while that's part of it- garzonas was a fulcrum, and whether it's percieved violence/inaction or actual violence/inaction. i also think his mental health and that are connected, but that's another post)

the way it's framed in aditf is very much 'jason's going through some shit' (which, starlin's choices re: make robin less palatable to audiences are very interesting and weird but also not what im going to be talking about)

the opening of aditf - bruce is violent af. like jesus i get why they allowed it based on who they are but like. let's not pretend the movie's 'oh jason broke someone's collarbone' is in any way applicable here lmao

he even throws a guy to jason aslkhdfaslfsa he's like here kid, break this guy's face

like no obviously the catalyst was bruce worried about jason's mental health (and then bungling it up so fucking bad.........my dude........lock your doors or smth)

it's just. man. i wish this narrative could have more space and impact and not just 'wowza jason was violent' (okay even if he was i wonder where he learned that from......surely not mr traction and dental work up there.......!)

#jason todd #bruce wayne #dc #aditf

[thekillingvote]

Tʜᴇ Kɪʟʟɪɴɢ Vᴏᴛᴇ

Thirty-five years ago, DC Comics opened a phone poll to kill Batman's child sidekick, Robin.

The poll was open to paying callers in the U.S. and Canada for a window of 35 hours, starting on 15 September 1988 at 9AM EST. There were two premium-rate phone numbers—one for Robin's survival, and one for Robin's death. Each paying caller could call multiple times. The results were decided by a margin of 72 votes out of a total 10,614 votes—the difference was just under 0.68%.

Now you decide.

KILL ROBIN

Jerry Smith of Covington, Kentucky claims to have sold his Mercedes-Benz to pay for votes to kill Robin

"Who Killed Cock(y) Robin? I Killed Cock(y) Robin" article by Glen Weldon (2008)

"1-800-DEAD-ROBIN" autobiographical comic by Tony Wolf (2015)

"We killed Jason Todd" feature by Matt Markman (2021)

SAVE ROBIN

Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), a noted Bat-fan and scholar, denounced the episode as a "Roman gladiator-like readers vote."

"I loved him [...] I personally voted for him to live 100 times, and my mom flipped when she saw the phone bill," says magazine writer Savas Abadsidis.

MJG6 said: I was dead broke, working my way through college, but I voted. My first job was at a comic book store, making me an OG fan girl, I guess, and I encouraged people to vote to save him. [...] Because killing a teen, in a role kids are supposed to identify with, that was just sick.

Further Reading

"A Death in the Family, or: How DC Comics Let a Phone Vote Kill Robin" via r/HobbyDrama

"Living Dead Boy: Jason Todd vs. The Culture That Killed (and Resurrected) Him" on Women Write About Comics

"The Vote to Kill Robin" - trivia, misconceptions, opinions by comic-commentary

Some fan letter columns from Jason's later times as Robin

No Birds Allowed: Batman without Robin

"A lot like Robin if you close your eyes": Displacement of meaning in the Post-Modern Age by Mary Borsellino, an essay on dead Robins, sexism, and classism

🦞 The Tale of Larry the Lobster 🦞

Submitted arguments below:

Kill Robin

Anonymous propaganda IN FAVOR of killing the lobster the Robin!

I love Jason Todd. I love his post-crisis Robin days, I love his sense of justice and his adorable love of learning and his silly curly bangs! I say this to emphasize that I don't want him killed out of any dislike of the character.

I want him dead out of a love for storytelling that gets to stick to its guns and doesn't pull its punches. In context of the poll we readers have just seen Dick Grayson get kicked out of the role due to Bruce's fear of him getting hurt, then he turns around and gets a new Robin anyways because he misses him! I really like that Bruce is being messy and hypocritical! Let that have some real consequences please!

If there were no real consequences then Dick got shoved out of being Robin for what? Hairbrained overprotective worry? Why even change the way he graduated into being Nightwing so much then or heck why even kick him out in the first place?

One might argue that we haven't even given this Robin proper time to develop, that instead he might be taken in new and interesting directions as his own unique Robin shaping the mantle into a legacy rather than just something that was Dick's. I admit this is a very good point, and we are cutting off some possible interesting avenues. As I mentioned, I do like this character! But are we really going to get that?

If DC is already prepared to toss him out of this mortal coil and through the pearly gates after such a short while, do we really think we're going to get much more love and care applied to him?

I say let's roll the dice for something new! May the comics world and all these characters have to deal with the ramifications for many years to come!

Save Robin

robin’s death (and subsequent resurrection) is, frankly, an insult to robin fans of that era. to want to see this child get killed in a brutal manner for no apparent reason, to see jason essentially removed from the narrative so batman could go back to being gritty and depressed—this is awful to me. he hadn’t even been robin for very long!

but that’s not why he should’ve lived.

the resurrection of jason todd as the red hood was narratively interesting enough that it kept most fans of the original jason hooked, and it still does! he has become a prime example of a trauma survivor: his death changed him, and those who loved him have difficulty accepting that.

but there is no resolution to that story, nor was there a resolution to jason’s tenure as robin. dick chose to leave robin behind and take on a new mantle. tim, steph, both had robin taken away from them (and let’s forget about how tim is still robin, because that doesn’t matter right now). damian’s role as robin conflicts with his misconception of his role in the family. everyone else has had an ending, and jason’s death…well. after his resurrection, he has somehow remained stagnant and wildly inconsistent at the same time. this applies to under the red hood too.

at its core, utrh is a deeply classist retelling of jason’s life pre-death in the family. winick makes him a villain—albeit a sympathetic one—who fucks over or kills people that he would’ve thrown himself in front of to save as robin. in utrh, the implication is that jason had always been violent and angry (and morally compromised), and that he was destined to become worse.

it sometimes feels that jason’s transition into being the red hood (and all the characterization that comes with that) was a decision dc made for shock value. just from jason’s robin run, it’s difficult to imagine jason becoming the red hood. it doesn’t feel inevitable. it’s tragic.

ultimately, i believe that jason never should have died, and that his death was a stunt by dc for its shock value. jim starlin wanted jason dead because to him a child sidekick, in a medium that was originally made for children, was “sheer insanity”. he was fridged, plain and simple.

#DC Robin #DC Comics #Jason Todd #Robin DC #DC Joker #Joker DC #Batman comics #Batman #Batfamily #thekillingvote #comics #Batman A Death in the Family #Jason Todd meta #Batfam #Batkids #Batbros #comics history #ADitF #1988 #described #ID in alt #image ID #ID in alt text

[thecruellestmonth]

Jason Todd + references

Batman #408 || Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens

Detective Comics #574 || Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman

Batman: A Death in the Family || A Death in the Family by James Agee

Batman Annual #25 "Icarus and Daedalus: The Return of Jason Todd" || Icarus as depicted in The Lament for Icarus by H. J. Draper

Batman Annual #25 || Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley

Red Hood: The Lost Days #6 + Nightwing (2016) #42 || Hamlet by William Shakespeare

Red Hood and the Outlaws (2016) #7 || Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck

Countdown Presents: The Search for Ray Palmer: Superwoman/Batwoman + Detective Comics #1042 || James Dean, star of Rebel Without a Cause and East of Eden

plugging @thekillingvote

#Can this guy stop being dramatic for one second? #Jason Todd #Batman comics #Detective Comics #DC Robin #Frankenstein #Mary Shelley #Deb Donovan #TFZ #dailyjasontodd #ADitF #Mike W Barr #Judd Winick #Matthew Rosenberg #Jim Starlin #Max Allan Collins #Faye Gunn #panels #bookshelf #references #Walt Whitman #Leaves of Grass #Yeah I threw in the last one because it made me laugh. #Like all these English-language classics and then James Dean smouldering. #Obviously I'm not really skilled at photosets and sizing. If anyone wants to redo this except better--be my guest. #thecruellestmonth #described #id in alt #id in alt text

[bess3714]

I was looking through Under the Red Hood for some art inspo and I just realized how much these panels

resemble these panels in A Death in the Family, when the Joker is beating Jason

But also the differences are cool, too. In aditf, the colors are yellow and orange, while in utrh, they're blue. Also, we get to see Joker's face, but we see Jason from behind.

#I just thought this was neat! #jason todd #the joker #utrh #aditf #comic thought bubble

[ilyalljasonsandnon-jasonsthesame]

Dead! - My Chemical Romance + Jason Todd

#dc comics #jason todd #robin #comic panels #comics #detective comics #a death in the family #dead! #my chemical romance #mcr #edits #aditf

[catalinaflores]

times are gone for honest men

Okay, Jason, he asks himself. Why would you wake up in your childhood bedroom in one of Dick’s “If you could go back in time, would you do it all again” wet dreams? “Oh,” he realizes. “Oh, this is some learning a lesson bullshit.”

• characters: Jason Todd, Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson • additional tags: Time Loop, Time Travel, Angst • word count: 3834 (Chapter 1/5)

There’s a split second between the gun going off and the blast hitting Jason square in the chest that’s long enough for him to think oh, shit but not long enough for him to dive out of the way, and the anticipation hurts worse than the concrete his head smacks against when he lands flat on his back.

keep reading on ao3

#jason todd #dick grayson #bruce wayne #aditf #leni writes #someone let me know if i have any embarrassing typos asap my contacts are dry and i just kinda gave up

[bloodyentrails]

so when they publish the 'alternative' aditf book does that mean we will get a schrödinger's jason todd situation where he's both alive and dead at the same time because they are both canon now but also he came back anyway so what does it matter now?

#i'm still interested in reading it ngl #just puzzling over the logic of it all #as one does #jason todd #aditf #tell me what you think #and how you think it 😆😆😆

[thejasontoddarchives]

Batman (1940-) #426

Batman (1940-) #427

Task Force Z #6 (2022)

You tell him, Jason.

#the mistakes in question: trusting and trying to help someone who was supposed to love and protect *him* #and wanting a parent/family who wants and accepts him #all things considered (re: gotham war) I think I can safely confirm his biggest mistake by far was trusting Bruce #jason todd #robin jason #red hood #dc #batman: a death in the family #aditf #task force z #tfz #aditf was just Jason having all of his worst fears confirmed before dying an equally *physically* painful death #he is not a priority to Bruce. Bruce doesn’t understand his pain. his biological mother heartlessly sold him out. he is without a family. #but also #how the fuck do you accidentally run into your 15 year old kid who fled to a foreign country after you two had a fight #accidentally.

[sirhinkjinks]

is the bat man okay

#batman #jason todd #wip #idk if i'll ever finish these i've sat on them for a while now #the aditf painting bg paint is so faint in the sunlight in kinda looks like hes glowing #they look kinda small here but theyre like 16“ maybe i dont have them with me rn #dennis doodles

[goodoldfashionedengineer]

So, like, most Jason fans are a bit annoyed just how often Jason is drawn with straight hair or really short hair in the new timelines or after his resurrection, because during his Robin run he clearly had curly hair.

My headcanon for this is: It reminds him too much of Sheila.

Here is a picture of Willis:

See those front curls? Yeah, Robin!Jason had those too.

But oh wait, here is part of a page, showing Jason with Sheila:

See this? It's much curlier than those two waves Willis had in the front. His hair has a certain shape, much like Sheila's.

And yes, you can argue "that's just how they styled their hair".

It doesn't really matter if it's Sheila's and Willis' natural hair or not. Because emotions and associations and memories have much more impact on us than straight facts. Sometimes it's hard to seperate these two things. And if you've gone through as much as Jason had, you really have to pick the things you are aiming on working through.

Associating his curly hair with Sheila? Yes, something rooted in trauma, but it's not as prevalent of an issue as some other stuff. It's something he can forget for bits of time by just keeping his hair straight or short

#jason todd #sheila haywood #willis todd #death in the family #ditf #aditf #a death in the family #dc #dc comics #batman #batman comics #robin jason todd #robin!jason #jason peter todd #jason todd meta

[gecemi09]

Just saw someone on reddit say Sheila betraying Jasoncto Joker is a dumb idea and they should have made Jason want to kill Joker alone and get caught and have him die that way. Because it would make more sense for Jason to hate Bruce then.

...

I am...speechless.

How is it possible to have a take THIS bad and say it with full confidence what the hell??

#jason todd #red hood #aditf #utrh

[dolldefaced]

did superman stop batman from killing the joker in aditf?

wellllllllll. it's complicated?

in aditf joker gains diplomatic immunity by becoming the representative of iran to the un (yeah. it's uh. bad)

so the premise is that batman can't even arrest the joker at this point, because of the diplomatic immunity. no one talks about murdering the joker and superman's arguement is 'yo this will fuck international relations. be chill'

here's where batman mentions the joker killed jason, superman is still concerned about the country, and batman saying he'll do what he has to. still no real indication clark thinks bruce is going to commit murder imo but 'thirst for vengeance' could be a sign? it's not like he can legally arrest joker atm either though

at the hotel room, bruce does sincerely consider killing the joker and argues with himself about it.

batman gives the joker a visit and tells him to turn himself in. obv he does not do this and brags about killing jason. batman finally has confirmation on this. batman leaves, joker goes to shoot him, he's gone.

yeah. sigh.

anyway. bruce seems to have settled on 'kill the joker' from these thought bubbles.

joker ofc says fuck it and releases a bunch of gas. superman breaks his gun, sucks up all the gas, and flies away to release it. batman follows the joker.

batman follows joker to a helicopter, they fight and one of the guys gets super freaked out

he shoots batman, then shoots the pilot in the head, causing the helicopter to crash

so batman has to jump out or die. he's not torn up about leaving the joker to die (esp since it seems like he still did want to kill him in the moment)

superman returns! from belching up the gas in the atmosphere ig. he saves batman, who knows if they don't find a body joker is probably alived. he's unhappy.

so i think if you just read aditf, it really doesn't look like superman tried to stop batman from killing the joker. hell i don't think he even realized bruce was willing to at that point. he just didnt want bruce interfering so politically nothing went south.

it seems more like bruce did want to kill the joker, but was stopped by some dude shooting erratically.

so where does 'superman stops batman from killing the joker' come from? fanon?

no. another comic!

in batman and superman: world's finest #7

this is post aditf, bruce has been on the rampage, superman was in space (killing some dudes ig? i don't really read superman. sorry). superman goes to see our hero in distress.

um. what.

tbf i can see the 'just there for revenge' because of the political stuff but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. 'anything you had to, to make sure i didn't harm the joker'

uhhhhhh. where????????

superman takes bruce on a tour. they talk about robin and batgirl. then go back to the topic at hand:

this is interesting. bc clark is right, 'farewell old foe' does not imply you wanted to save him at all, esp with all the previous thoughts of murder. but perhaps in hindsight bruce feels differently.

anyway.

i think you can sorta connect the two, but it's obvious there were years between these and different writers. i suspect no one wants to bring up the iran thing again, rightfully so, but it does leave out just why clark stopped bruce to begin with- so we're left with this.

#bruce wayne #clark kent #the joker #jason todd #by proxy lmfao. but w.o him where would this post be??? #dc #a death in the family #aditf #batman and superman world's finest #meta