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obsessive-aspie-girl · 2 years

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I came across THE ABSOLUTE BEST comment on an AO3 MCU fic!! The person who commented it even cited their sources proving what they were saying by turning part of the sentence into a link -- multiple times! Idk how to do that so I'll just leave a link to the original for anyone interested in those, and paste show off the comment here!

**Warning: Please mind the tags! Within the MCU you either hate this type of fic--and therefore comment--or you're still just a salty and full of rage as you were when it all first started going downhill in 2015. In other words: Civil War Team Iron Man.**

THE COMMENT (which was a reply to a hate comment about how "amazing" and "perfect" Captain America is):

"Yes, Steve Roger is all of those things. In the comics. 616 Steve can do things like defeat two other Super Soldiers when his Serum has been turned off. He's actually a Captain instead of it just being a stage name, due to, depending on the writer, either actually going to Officer School and blitzing through it, or receiving the equivalent of Officer School training while "on the job." In the comics, Steve Rogers earned his rank under the code name of Captain America, and his "secret identity" was that of the bumbling Private Rogers. MCU Cap actually is the bumbling Private Rogers, but is treated like a trained genius tactician undeservedly.

Comics Steve Rogers is also of far better moral character. He's the sort of person who would throw his shield to alter the trajectory of someone falling in order to avoid civilians being hurt. MCU Steve Rogers is never shown caring about the people hurt in Bucharest, and has no problems treating a German SWAT team the same way he did Crossbone's goons. When in the comics everyone finds out that it was Cap's evil Hydra clone who did all sorts of terrible things, Steve admits to HYDRA Cap that he's actually glad that, thanks to HYDRA Cap, people no longer trust him as much as they did in the past, as he's actually never been comfortable with people blindly trusting him or anyone else. MCU Steve demands that people blindly trust him to have their best intentions in mind. 616 Steve has enough willpower to break free of mind control straight away; MCU Steve got stuck in Wanda's illusions like everyone else.

Also, when 616 Tony isn't being written by stupid writers as a fascist, Steve is pretty much the founder and president of the Tony Stark Defence Squad. Anyone talks crap about him, Steve reminds them of how many people his tech and charity work has helped, and on a more personal level actually appreciates how much Tony has done for him instead of accepting it as his due for saving the world once a year.

Comics Steve is respected because he deserves it and has earned it; MCU Steve demands it like an angry toddler, claiming that he's a good man when in reality he's just not as big of an asshole as the Red Skull.

The sad part is, it would have been so easy to salvage Steve's character. Show him sending a coded message to JARVIS during WS, and later say Fury mention that Tony, even with his suits all blown up, was standing by to ensure that all the non-Hydra stuff was taken off the net so that no innocent SHIELD employees were hurt and no US secrets were leaked. About 5 seconds of footage.

Show him trying to contact Tony when Wanda talks crap about Ultron being just like him to prove her wrong, and getting concerned when there's no answer and heading back to Stark Tower just to be sure. Don't show him already be in the process of charging forwards and drawing back his fist to throw a punch at Tony before his chest piece ever arrives. Add two seconds of footage where Steve tiredly asks whether Tony can call another suit to pick him up from Siberia after their fight, and have that letter include an actual apology instead of Steve just trying to justify his actions. Give Wanda an actual redemption arc and have Steve feel like, even if she was HYDRA and people don't like her, she still deserves a chance to show she's not a monster like the Red Skull was. Show Wanda being horrified that the Hulk wandered into Johannesburg, and be reluctantly grateful to Tony that he stopped her from ultimately being responsible for the deaths that a rampaging Hulk would have caused.

Instead we have MCU Steve, who seems less and less heroic the more you think about his actions, and spoilt brat Wanda."

Link to original comment thread:

https://archiveofourown.org/comments/188589974

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mcu-critical · 2 years

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Introduction post.

My name is Blank and I use any pronouns. I'm 18+ and a die-hard Tony Stark stan and Agatha Harkness stan.

This blog explores my thoughts throughout the entirety of the MCU in no particular order.

Expect a lot of rambling and cursing.

DNI: if you use any slurs of any kind (q slur, t slur, r slur, etc), team cap stans (anyone who sided with Steve in CW, alternatively anyone who defends anyone on team cap- i.e Wanda, Steve, etc), TERF, SWERF, radfem, etc.

#mcu critical #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti stony #anti team cap #anti team captain america #pro accords #pro sokovian accords #anti wanda maximoff #anti wandavision #tony stark deserves better #tony stark deserved better #team iron man #pro team iron man #tony stark defense squad #tony stark protection squad #pro tony stans #pro tony stark

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gay-jewish-bucky · 11 months

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Society if Cap 3 was Steve, Bucky, and Sam on a road trip, with flashbacks to Steve and Bucky's lives pre-war, and we actually got to meet Steve's mom

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captainwidowspring · 8 months

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You know, I just had a thought about the Accords' introduction scene. When Steve says to Ross, "Okay, that's enough" and Ross nods to his assistant to turn the propaganda off: the scene is framed like the presentation would have continued if Steve had said nothing, but if he had kept quiet, what else would have been shown? Johannesburg, where there were plenty of entirely preventable civilian casualties caused solely by Tony's recklessness, which is not the other Avengers' fault? The final battle of The Dark World, which actually featured civilians being stupid, and filming Thor's battle instead of running away?

This ridiculous framing just seems like a way for the movie to cover up how little material it actually had to try to make the Avengers seem blameworthy. I mean, none of the damage that was shown was easily avoidable, and as it was Civil War had to scrape so hard to find propaganda for the presentation that it literally had to invent civilian casualties; there is no way that civilians would have ignored three huge helicarriers gradually destroying each other long enough for the helicarriers to be able to harm them. The film acting like there was much more for Ross to show is really quite ridiculous.

It is perfectly believable that Steve would be concerned about Wanda's mental health, and it's not a bad thing that he spoke up for her, but it's clear that Civil War had an ulterior motive here. That line was only there to spare Ross from having to say, "That's it" at the end of the propaganda-presentation, because such a thing would have risked drawing attention to the sheer paucity of any material that could be used to denounce the Avengers. It's a fairly small thing, but such intentional effort goes to show just how invested Civil War was in trying to support Team Iron Man. There is no way it would have been able to be a both-sides movie otherwise, for Team Cap is far too clearly in the right.

#anti captain america civil war #anti ca:cw #anti sokovia accords #team cap #marvel meta #random thoughts

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illicthearts · 9 months

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I watched Infinity War today, sometimes I question why I liked it so much because half the things they do pisses me off. Especially Quill he pisses me off so much.

And STEVE, don’t even get me started on him. “We don’t trade lives,” JUST A MOVIE A GO YOU WERE PREACHING THAT WE NEED ACCEPT THAT IN YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU CAN’T SAVE EVERYONE. And than he goes ahead sacrifices a bunch of people (POCs) to save a ROBOT! Who mind you could be made again.

But I guess that only applies to faceless people. Not to the people you know personally and especially not if Wanda loves that person. I hate his hypocritical ass so much.

#pro team iron man #pro tony stark #tony stark defence squad #tony stark #tony was right #infinity war #avengers infinity war #the avengers #marvel mcu #marvel #mcu #anti peter quill #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti team cap #anti wanda maximoff #anti vision

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sunnysideprincess · 11 months

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I get "justified" hate from Tony-antis because it was "wrong" for him to go after Bucky and Steve, even after being confronted to the truth of his parents' murder so brutally, after Steve lied to his face and probably used Tony's resources to go after his mother's (unwilling, brainwashed, I get it) murderer. Tony's rage at this betrayal is reduced to a "tantrum" or just a "stupid man-pain" by so called fans and that he is the villain for going after an innocent man.

Meanwhile Wanda Maximoff and her brother saw Tony's surname on a missile that blew up their home and they immediately joined a Nazi cult for their quest for revenge. Instead of going directly after Tony Stark, or the people who actually blew up their home—Wanda decided to destroy an entire city by unleashing Hulk on them, mind fucked a man so he creates something that nearly destroys the entire planet and thought it was all fine and dandy to be on the side of something that felt no regard to human pain until she realised "oh shit, maybe this evil robot's plan would kill everyone, including me" and the fans dub her a "hero", a "traumatised sad child" who lost so much.

People paint Tony as the bad guy for calling Wanda a weapon of mass destruction in CW forget that this is coming from the man who was shown a vision of all his friends dead near his feet while his worst nightmare comes to play by her. Who knows and has seen what she's capable of. Yet he still keeps her fed, housed and bathed in luxury via his own "blood" money, makes her armor and tries to protect her from Ross' wrath.

Flash forward to Tony dying for the universe after finally getting a life worth living for and people saying "he didn't deserve the elaborate funeral mcu gave him" and then theres Wanda holding an entire town hostage and getting thumped on the back for being so sacrificing and kind by both mcu and her stans

#response to vague anon hate i keep getting #cacw #captain america civil war #tony stark #anti wanda maximoff #not steve friendly either #random triggered stucky stans can also buzz off #I'm lookin at you anon #anti team cap stans

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cloudinterlude · 1 year

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what misconception? 👀

I assume this is about the Civil War post I made and oh boy, so many. So, so many. Let me preface this by saying I actually like Civil War enough as a movie. Not as a Captain America movie, but it's engaging and I enjoyed it for the most part. I mostly dislike the dogshit opinions about it. To prevent this from turning into a dissertation, I'll just list the ones that come to mind first/irritate me the most:

"Steve was completely against regulation and oversight" WRONG. He was against the vagueness of it all. He explicitly says that he wants to know whose going to be holding his leash if he has to have one. In fact, he was about to sign the Accords before Tony told him about them preemptively enforcing it and detaining Wanda. Steve was willing to consider the Accords, Steve was trying to discuss the Accords, Steve was on the path to being open to the Accords before the moral failings of it were already shining through. Steve, rightfully so, is distrustful at this point of anonymous authority. Following the news that Hydra had their nasty paws in SHIELD and other high positions in government, Steve decides that he wants to know more about the people who have authority over him. Seems reasonable enough.

"Steve was only against the Accords for Bucky" WRONG. 1) Before he was certain that Bucky was being framed, he says that he has the best chance of bringing him in to minimize damage. Then, when he was certain Bucky was innocent, it became a matter of not letting his bestie be falsely imprisoned and/or killed on the spot. 2) Lemme just add that yes, Bucky is extremely important to Steve, but Steve would have still been against the Accords if Bucky wasn't a factor. I need people to understand this. It wasn't just a "oh no I need to save my best friend". 3) If you read what was in the Accords, you'd understand why Steve would generally be against them. They're abhorrent.

"Steve didn't read the Accords/Steve didn't even attempt to communicate or compromise." I haaaaattttteeee this one with a burning passion. Did we watch the same movie? He's quite literally the only one on screen we see even look at that long ass document. Probably also the only one would could even manage to read the thing since it was sprung up on them 3 days before the meeting (which is a whole 'nother issue for later. For now, I'll just say I support the Ross conspiracy theory). He also tried to tell Tony & Co. before the airport fight that Zemo was the one behind all this conflict, that Bucky is innocent and about the 5 other ultra-dangerous super-soldiers who, as far as he knew, were about to be unleashed onto the world which would be disastrous. Unfortunately, Team IM was wracked with tension and didn't listen and attacked.

"Steve and Bucky jumped Tony (+ variants of this statement)." This is one that confused me so much. Such a bullshit take. I am begging people to rewatch CW and watch the fight. Tony, whose emotions is dialed to a thousand (and not only because of the Bucky thing mind you, but I can talk about that a lot more later because I like talking about Tony's emotional/mental state during Civil War) attacked first, then tries to kill Bucky, Steve tries to get Tony to stop killing Bucky, Tony is trying not to kill Steve, Bucky is trying to get Tony not to kill Steve or him. It's a mess. Mind you, Steve isn't even trying to excessively harm Tony in this scene. It's confirmed that during the entire fight, he was trying to disable the suit. Not trying to beat Tony to a pulp - DISABLE. THE. SUIT. Which he manage to do in the midst of that shitshow.

"*insert any anti-CW Wanda take*" Please, someone please tell me why people think Wanda has any blame for what happened Lagos? Wanda quite literally didn't CAUSE that. I need to understand this point of view before I get an aneurysm. She didn't make the bomb, bring the bomb, set the bomb off. It was Rumlow who had that bomb that would have ended up killing way more people on the ground than where Wanda managed to put it. She absolutely was as much of a hero as she could be in that instance, trying to redirect the bomb away from civilians. Unfortunately, it still ended it casualties, but a lot less than it would have been if Wanda hadn't intervened.

I could go on and on, but I'll stop here. Fanon CACW quite literally has some of the worst fan comprehension I've seen in the MCU. I imagine that a lot of it is not understanding characters, the movie not elaborating on important plot points in an effort to make it 50/50 (which they failed at lol), and the fandom being a lot more conservative than I thought. I can expand further on anything if you want!

#post office #cacw #pro steve rogers #pro team cap #anti sokovia accords #captain america civil war #mcu #steve rogers defense squad #thank you anon

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marvel-television · 11 days

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y'know it's always funny when people start arguing about who was right in civil war bc like. Even with just the movie Tony and the pro-accords crowd has no ideological leg to stand on, the only reason we have to at all root for him is that Bucky killed his parents, but then you throw in Agents of Shield? You throw in everything about that third season leading up to Civil War?

It's kinda painfully obvious that the sokovia accords weren't even *really* about the Avengers, but rather the incident in Lagos was just a convenient excuse to subjugate the growing Inhuman population under the guise of "cracking down on the avengers".

The only people we ever see affected by the sokovia accords are A: members of the Avengers, and B: Inhumans. If you're not an Inhuman or an Avenger, you straight up don't have to register. Spider-Man, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, all are heroes that exist in the public eye. Sure, Spider-Man hasn't revealed his identity, but he's still known about as a superhero unlike Iron Fist or Cloak and Dagger.

All this to say, simply having powers doesn't mean you have to register, it's only if you're an Inhuman. The sokovia accords specifically, intentionally target Inhumans, and with that in mind there's not even a slight bit of moral ambiguity in Civil War, Tony is just completely clearly in the wrong.

That's not to say Steve gives a fuck about Inhumans either, he never even brings them up in the movie so he clearly doesn't, but he at the very least accidentally stumbled his way into the morally correct position. There's probably some kind of political commentary to be made there, but idk.

Point is, fuck team tony lmao

#marvel #mcu #agents of shield #captain america civil war #team cap #anti tony stark #<- just to be safe #sokovia accords #in the comics Luke Cage compared the registration act to Jim Crow laws #and even though Luke is unaffected by the accords #the comparison still stands

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wonderwomanpleasesteponme · 4 months

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Dp X MCU Prompt

The Sokovia Accords have been instated with Team Captain America being the only people who could and would fight against them being driven underground and the cherry on top the Anti Ecto Acts were apart of the Sokovia Accords, so now the GIW could do whatever they want to the citizens of Amity Park. Unfortunately for them the Amity Parkers were not going to take this laying facedown and fought back and they fought hard against them. The American Government seeing this entire town of people who in some shape or form have powers due to the ectoplasm that surrounds them 24/7 violating the Sokovia Accords they decided to just send in the army and get rid of them permanently. With no other choice Danny decides the only way to save his haunt is to pull a Pariah Dark and pull Amity into the Ghost Zone. Years later during Thanos' invasion to collect the mind stone Team Phantom emerges to aid in the fight against the Mad Titan only because billions of innocence would suffer if they don't. They are not impressed with the so called "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" especially those who were apart of Team Ironman / pro Sokovia accords.

#dp x mcu #team phantom #danny phantom #mcu #mcu crossover #sokovia accords #Anti ecto acts #ca:cw #captain america civil war

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marvelismylove · 3 months

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I just realized i haven't ever posted about my take on captain america: civil war and the sokovia accords (in detail). Because i have a lot ot thoughts about the whole thing. I used to be firmly team cap. Nowadays, I'm team "they're all idiots."

And I'm going to get into that right now!

First off, the sokovia accords would never have worked. It's the government. They're corrupt, and when they aren't, it's only a matter of time until they become corrupt again.

I mean, this is the government that had hydra secretly growing within it for longer than cap was on ice! And to think signing over what is basically the "right" (is it even a right, in the first place?) to be a superhero (?) to the government? Not even the government, but all governments! That's the stupidest idea ever!

So, i agree with steve's thinking, for the most part. But i do not completely agree with steve. He's a self righteous ass. Nothing more needs to be said on that, at least for right now.

However, Tony was being a bit emotional and impulsive. He had the best intentions but when faced with the casualties of sokovia, he panicked because he's never really had to look directly at the death and destruction his superhero activities cause. And as a consequence as the way he grew up and the things he's been through, he had no idea how to cope with that. He couldn't fix this with money and so he wanted to just give control to someone else, someone (seemingly) more qualified. He never really has to take responsibility because he can usually just throw money at his problems and/or ignore them.

Tony never really thought about what the government would/could/might do with all the power the accords gave them.

But now, I'm going to switch focus back to steve. Steve didn't even try to see where Tony was coming from. He was very, "I'm right. You're wrong. Fuck anyone/everyone who disagres" and all. Tony was willing to try and work together.

Amd Tony's heart was in the right place. And tve thought/idea of working with the government, or at least trying to, is a good one, he just shouldn't have agreed to the terms so quickly. That kind of thing needs a lot more negotiation and stuff.

And that's my take on it.

Well, the actual accords themselves, at least.

#harleys commentary (marvel version)#captain america #captain america civil war #anti sokovia accords #but also anti team cap #marvel #tony stark #iron man #ca:cw #civil war #steve rogers #team iron man #but #mcu #bucky barnes #sorta

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wdywpaul · 7 months

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just read a lot of brain-dead tony-stark-defending takes, do people really still believe he was right in civil war??

#anti tony stark #i guess???#more like anti-writing #i could have written better movies than these #mcu #captain america #civil war #team cap

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vicontheinternet · 10 days

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this come up every 3-5 business months and we have to keep telling y'all grown adults that y'all are wrong

Hi I am here to remind you that tony stark was not in the right in captian America civil war and not to bring real world politics in to it but by now I'd think we'd seeing how utterly useless the un is. If Tony had cared at all to stick by the accords or if they had any repercussions at all he would’ve had to wait and go to the un and petition the un to say that there are fucking aliens attacking earth then ask them if he could stop then wait for their answer. But he doesn’t even have respect for the thing that he had a hand in making instead he played the victim and took no accountability in his part and said the avengers broke up and then said that’s why my idea for the shield around the earth was a great idea. The accords were abysmal and Tony wrote him a way out while the other members of the avengers either had to sign or retire he wrote into the accord that he was exempt so ofc he was going to peddle that thing he was going to face nothing. The only reason he was doing this was because an American mother made him feel guilty he didn’t feel guilty for the town of ppl whose were ruin he didn’t feel guilty abt Wanda’s brother and she was sleeping in avengers tower he got to see her more often then that singular woman. Tony broke the accords like 3 separate times and you want me to be on his side. Don’t get me started on Peter because y’all irondad fans are weird. Y’all want me to see the guy who canonically kidnapped a kid peter was 14 in cacw he didn’t have a passport until homecoming and Tony withheld any information from Peter so that he couldn’t make an informed decision on what happened and what team he would want to be on and Tony took a 14 year old Peter to Germany under false pretense to fight a fight that he had no business being in without informing his legal guardian that is the textbook definition kidnapping. Ppl can say team cap is wrong all they want but at least their team stayed together and respects ppls consent. Why would cap trust the un when just the last movie it was exposed that hydra was in the government. I truly believe that ppl who are team iron man throws out all logic because “bucky killed his parents” even though he was brainwashed and they beat his ass even though he started it that man is grown grown if he didn’t want to lose a fight he shouldn’t have started it. He didn’t even like his father yall get on Peter quil’s ass for his emotional reaction but that was a fucking emotional reaction and he got his ass beat. I’m sorry but his ego got him thinking he could take out Bucky Barnes who was formerly the winter soldier with his friends right next to him and thought Steve wasn’t going to do nothing. And to dispel this misconception Steve and Tony weren’t friends they were barely co workers they tolerated each other

#tony sought out general Ross and the un because he got his feelings hurt #without his team he knew abt way before the team #he waited until like 3 days before they had to sign it before he told them #he ain’t shit #anti mcu #anti tony stark #anti cacw #anti captain america civil war #long post

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gay-jewish-bucky · 1 year

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imagine thinking ca:cw existed for a reason that wasnt an rdj tantrum that forced them to scrap cap 3 which was supposed to be focused on steve, bucky and sam, and instead make into ironman 4🤣🤣🤣

#marvel #mcu #anti tony stark #anti tony stans #anti team iron man #anti marvel #anti mcu #marvel critical #mcu critical #team cap #pro team cap #anti captain america: civil war

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captainwidowspring · 8 months

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I definitely agree, such a take is very frustrating.

The biggest flaw in the argument is the assertion that "There's no physical threat," in the final battle of Civil War, for Tony was very much a physical threat. He was definitely going all-out in his attempts to murder Bucky. And while he wasn't specifically trying to kill Steve, he also wasn't trying not to; there were even times where he seemed to forget that Steve was not his primary target. So both Steve and Bucky could easily have been killed during Tony's assault, especially since they continuously held back toward him even though he wasn't holding back toward them.

Indeed, there were numerous points at which Steve and Bucky could have died. For example, near the beginning of the fight, Tony literally tried to missile Bucky in the face. This undoubtedly would have killed Bucky if he had not reacted in time. And while Bucky did manage to turn it aside, the redirected missile caused a section of the building to collapse, which put both him and Steve in great danger of being crushed to death by the falling debris. Steve had been trapped in ankle-cuffs that Tony had put on him, near the place where the missile ended up, so he would have been in big trouble had he not been able to get free: and Bucky was being held in the air by Tony, who was too busy beating Bucky up to notice the destruction, and so dropped him after getting hit with some falling debris, just thankfully not in the path of any of the wreckage. Tony had not been in much danger because he had the protection of his suit, but Steve and Bucky's survival was just a matter of luck.

Also, when Bucky was trying to climb out of the bunker, Tony tried to aim another missile at him, and Steve was unable to stop this as Tony knocked away his shield. The only reason Tony did not successfully hit Bucky is because the damage Steve previously inflicted on his suit ended up affecting his targeting system, and since Tony is used to relying on that, his aim isn't very good: so he missed Bucky and hit the missile silo lid's support system instead. But if his targeting system had been intact, Bucky would not have been so fortunate.

And of course, there is that memorable moment where Tony prepared to knock a bloody, injured Steve out of the bunker and down the mountain, which Steve may or may not have survived. The only reason Tony didn't do it is because Bucky grabbed his leg at that moment, so he turned and kicked Bucky in the head with his metal boot instead. It's a really good thing Bucky is a supersoldier, because otherwise such a blow could have inflicted grave damage.

And those instances are just the major highlights of how Steve and Bucky narrowly escaped death during Tony's assault. There are multiple other points at which they could have been killed.

It's also worth noting that a major part of the reason Steve and Bucky managed to stay alive is simply that they are supersoldiers. This meant that they had the brute strength to both fend off some of Tony's attacks which might have otherwise landed, and continuously damage his armor to gradually impair his ability to inflict harm on them. They also had the ability to take a punishing amount of damage without it being lethal. Had they been normal humans, they might not have been able to force Tony's attacks to miss given that the suit lends him extra strength: and they certainly would have a lot more difficulty damaging Tony's suit. This would allow Tony to go at them indefinitely, which would be bad news since there is only so much damage that normal humans can take.

In other words, Steve and Bucky didn't survive because of any lack of effort to kill them on Tony's part, they survived because they were hard to kill and had the means to fight back. If either Steve or Bucky had been a normal human, they probably wouldn't have survived.

Some people erroneously take the outcome of a fight as proof that there was no danger during the fight. One example of this would be the Dora Milaje fight in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. People will say that the Dora Milaje weren't fighting to kill because they didn't kill anyone, when the fact that they didn't kill anyone is just luck. There were several strikes they made that would have been lethal had they landed; it just happened that these were all stopped. This is the trend that the above example demonstrates. People will say that no one was in any danger during the Siberia fight because everyone survived, when the reality is that Tony was actively trying to kill Steve and Bucky, and nearly succeeded multiple times. And while both Steve and Bucky survived, that was by no means the guaranteed outcome; they really had to work to stay alive, and even with that effort both of them ended up badly injured.

I do agree with the response, however. The originally planned ending of Civil War would have been a lot better than what we got. There would have been a lot more emotional stakes in that situation, for example, as there would be both the Avengers once again working as a team after they had been divided, and Bucky fighting people he had a history with. That is much more emotionally compelling than Tony mercilessly trying to kill both Bucky, for something that was very clearly not his fault, and Steve, for trying to protect Bucky. There are no emotional stakes in such a fight, that is simply Tony being monstrous.

The original final battle would also be a better way to wrap up a movie that was supposedly about the Accords. As it was, the final battle had literally nothing to do the Accords, which sort of calls into question what the point of most of the rest of the movie was. It also prevented Tony's supposed support of the Accords from being challenged, as since the Accords were forgotten for the duration of the battle, he never had to reckon with breaking them. But if the Avengers had to band together to fight the supersoldiers, it would force Team Iron Man to confront the fact that if they had waited to see if the UN would let them go (which it might not have), the supersoldiers would have been able to escape and wreak havoc. Such a situation would also give the Avengers a concrete example of why the Accords are problematic, which would help to get the Accords abolished much more quickly. That is really what should have happened; at the very least, Team Cap should have had a clear victory at the end of what was supposed to be a Captain America movie.

So yeah, the original ending would have been much better. The only thing against it is that it is not really a fitting end to a Captain America movie: but since the one we got wasn't either, and the entire film would have to be majorly reworked in order to make it a Captain America movie in more than just name, that is not a very big loss. Indeed, the first ending might even have pushed Civil War slightly more towards being an Avengers movie rather than an Iron Man movie, which would at least be somewhat beneficial.

#anti captain america civil war #anti ca:cw #anti tony stark #team cap #marvel meta #answering asks

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taylorkellyreporting · 1 year

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i’m looking for an anti team cap fic on ao3 that i read once where either the entire team or just clint break into tony’s living quarters and finds laura and her kids there with tony watching a movie in the living room and it shocks clint cause he didn’t even know laura left the farm. i’m pretty sure peter and maybe harley are there. i vaguely remember laura’s kids either call tony dad or uncle. i’m not sure if a physical fight breaks out but i know there’s shouting. does it sound familiar to anyone? it might be part of a series.

#i’ll edit this with more info if i remember anything else #anti team cap #anti team cap fic #anti clint barton #pro tony stark #pro tony stark fic #civil war team iron man #team iron man #tony stark defense squad #team tony stark #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #<- tagging for exposure

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musclesandhammering · 3 months

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We all agree that Sabra is problematic, but nobody wants to acknowledge that Captain America is problematic for the exact same reasons.

#anti Captain America #anti Steve rogers #I’m mostly talking about Steve and the idea of cap in general but yea #I love Sam Wilson but I don’t love the Stars and Stripes motif #team Tony #anti team cap #anti sabra #captain america brave new world

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