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mlobsters · 6 months

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supernatural s11e13 love hurts (w. eric charmelo, nicole snyder)

STACY Ew, I can taste her mom lipstick…you’re telling her tonight, right?

rude, stacy :P

SAM Is that a hickey? DEAN And? It was Valentine’s Day. I can’t help it if I’m a hopeless romantic. SAM You got half of that right. DEAN Just doing my civic duty. Helping all the single ladies. You know the best thing about February 14th. You don’t have to be Mr. Right, just Mr. Right Now. SAM That’s classy. DEAN Yeah and what’d you do, judgy? Curl up in your Snuggie, watch '50 Shades' on cable?

cuz every girl crazy bout sharp dressed man men

*squints* what is that fake domain, danharper.search for the knockoff facebook page. and we got an untitled folder, not quite untitled 1 and 2 but i'll take it :p

always with the full kitchenette and vintage appliances. and bringing back the ridiculous little separators. tires!

DEAN I need a beer, regroup, maybe get lucky. SAM Didn’t you just get lucky? DEAN That was in Kansas. What do you say? You with me? Ready to go scrape a few hearts off the bar room floor? SAM I think I’ll pass. I’m gonna go hit the lore, but you go be you. DEAN Suit yourself.

dean's feelin his oats again apparently! feels like he had some seasons there where far as we knew he wasn't ever getting laid

laughing at the wife shoving these witchy items down the garbage disposal. one way to get rid of things i guess? not so good for the plumbing though

hey they named a motel after me personally

DEAN Hey. Any luck? SAM No. You? DEAN Nah. Hey what’s a…uh…dad bod?

please. (reminder that all bodies are good bodies)

MELISSA All I had to do was chant it and seal it with a kiss.

oh i see. it was plot-relevant mom lipstick.

SAM So the curse is transmittable? DEAN Like a magic STD. Okay that works. Kinda makes you nostalgic for good old fashioned herpes.

this is very fic-ish. LOL and of course dean kisses the lady to take the curse on. clearly he should hot potato it over to sam at some point but we know that's not gonna happen :p

baby lookin pretty in all those pink highlights

DEAN I’d say that went pretty well. What do you think? SAM Wait. Are you serious? You think it’s a great idea to give yourself a fatal curse? DEAN Well, target's off her back ain’t it? SAM I’m just saying. You don’t have to do this. Be the guinea pig. DEAN What? SAM Be the martyr. Try to carry the weight by yourself. Do this. DEAN I’m gonna be fine, okay? And as long as I’m good, she’s good and that’s the important thing. Besides. It proved our theory didn’t it? That this whole kiss of death thing is transmittable. I mean, I’m not asking for the Nobel here, but thank you.

both reasonable to do and also his martyr tendencies are well documented :p but even if he died, wouldn't it just go back to her? moo point, as they say?

SAM I guess. Here we go. Someone chants a curse, lays a wet one on you, then the victim is seduced and killed by the Qareen, but instead of taking the form of Barbara Eden, the present themselves as your deepest, darkest desire.

oh great. so we're gonna see amara then. very convenient of this witch to leave post-it notes with all the details on their monster including how to kill it

okay, that was adorable. so happy to win for once, didn't even care to claim the prize

AMARA You’re a mystery. I can see inside your heart. Feel the love you feel. Except it’s cloaked in shame. When it comes to this, you can’t help yourself, so why fight it. Just give in.

i mean it's just funny because we did kind of do this already in 4x14 sex and violence with the siren.

from s4e14 SAM Yeah. You see, sirens can read minds. They see what you want most and then they can kinda, like, cloak themselves. You know, like an illusion. -- MUNROE Dean's all mine. SAM You poisoned him. MUNROE No. I gave him what he needed. And it wasn't some bitch in a G-string. It was you. A little brother that looked up to him, that he could trust. And now he loves me. He'd do anything for me. And I gotta tell you, Sam, that kind of devotion? I mean, watching someone kill for you? It's the best feeling in the world. SAM Is that why you're slutting all over town? MUNROE Ahh. I get bored, like we all do. And I wanna fall in love again. And again...and again.

have to do some mental gymnastics to not understand that as wincest, i think. still hard to wrap my head around that making it to the screen. anyway. dean wants to bang amara, let's get to it

DEAN It was Amara. SAM That surprise you? DEAN That doesn’t surprise you? SAM Honestly? DEAN Honestly? You seriously think the sister of God is my deepest darkest desire? SAM She isn’t? DEAN No! She can’t be! SAM Why not? DEAN Why? Because if she is that means that I’m… SAM Means you’re what? Complicit? Weak? Evil? DEAN For starters, yeah.

SAM Dean. Do you honestly think you ever had a choice in the matter? She’s the sister of God, and for some reason she picked you and that sucks, but if you think I’m gonna blame you or judge you…I’m not. DEAN You know that I want her ass dead. SAM Yes. Of course. And I know you’ve also probably beaten yourself up a hundred times over it, but where has that gotten us? Just how bad is it? DEAN Standing here right now, every bone in my body wants to run her through. Send her back to that hole she crawled out of. But when I’m near her, I don’t know. Something happens and I can’t explain it, but to call it desire or love…it’s not that. I’m screwed man. We wanna kill the darkness. We need to kill the darkness. And I don’t think I can. I’m sorry to do that to you, ya know, but when it comes right down to it… SAM I got it Dean.

i honestly can't remember the last time they had that open of a conversation. dare i say, that's practically out of character understanding from sam, when it comes to dean hiding something important like that. i fully expected the show to have him flip his lid over dean not telling him something relevant to their big monster hunt, not trusting him with being able to handle the truth. maybe i'm just jaded by how they've done overblown brother conflict for so many seasons. but anyway, i'm thankful for sam being so reasonable and understanding. i'm thankful for dean just telling him straight up what's going on and that he can recognize he can't just power through this problem. usually they only talk this way with other people, it's nice to have it directed at each other for once. still a little bit in shock, honestly.

i like how they focused on the money he left to cover the damages again after showing him slip it under initially. like hello fans yes they do try to cover the fact that they're constantly wrecking motel rooms. feel like these later seasons have a lot of little nods like that (like say, the rock paper scissors, a bitch/jerk moment in 11x04, etc)

#supernatural #spnwatch #spn 11x13 #spn 4x14 #eric charmelo #nicole snyder #rock paper scissors #now i got zz top stuck in my head #sharp dressed man

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jackexmachina · 2 years

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Sam Winchester — giving others the support he needed

image description: various scene comparisons for Sam and Castiel, Dean, Mary, Claire, and Jack. episodes include: “When the Levee Breaks,” “Sympathy for the Devil,” “Point of No Return,” “Meet the New Boss,” “Reading is Fundamental,” “Love Hurts,” “The Foundry,” “Ladies Drink Free,” and “Patience”

5x01: Sam and Dean stand outside, alone at night. Dean shakes his head while telling Sam, “I just don't... I don't think that we can ever be what we were. Y'know?” Sam is looking down away from him, nodding slightly. Dean finishes by saying, “I just don't think I can trust you.”

7x21: Sam and Castiel sit in a warded cabin. Sam looks slightly up at him to say, “I know that you never did anything but try to help. I realize that, Cas.” Castiel turns back to him as he says, “And I'm grateful. We're all grateful. And we're gonna help you get better, no matter what it takes.”

5x18: In the panic room, Sam stands looking at Dean, near tears, saying, “So you're saying I'm not strong enough?” Dean is leaning against a table and looks up at him saying, “You're angry. You're self-righteous. Lucifer's gonna wear you to the prom, man. It's only a matter of time.” Sam shakes his head saying, “Don't say that to me.”

11x13: Sam sits against a table talking to Dean in a motel room. He says, “She's the sister of God, and for some reason she picked you.” Dean shifts, looking away at first while Sam finishes, “And that sucks. But if you think I'm gonna blame you or judge you... I'm not.”

7x01: Dean stands in the garage with Bobby, talking about Sam, not knowing that he is just outside. Dean tells Bobby, “Just... Just this one thing, you know?” Then he pauses for a moment before shaking his head to say, “but I'm not dumb. I'm not gonna get my hopes up just to get kicked in the daddy-pills again.”

12x03: Dean and Sam stand beside a burning grave, as Dean says, turning away from Sam, “Can we for once just not turn everything into a problem? Can we for once just have one good thing?” Sam says, “Mom's not a thing.” Dean says, “Okay” defensively, but Sam continues, “Look I'm happy too, Dean. I am. I'm overjoyed. But... there's something about her. I mean, something's going on with her.”

4x21: Sam is in the panic room, looking into a mirror. He sees black veins spreading across his skin and yells, “Guys! Help!” The scene changes to Dean upstairs listening to Sam begging from the basement, his voice muffled. He is saying “Bobby! Dean! Help! Hey, hey! Guys! Guys! Help, Dean!” Dean grinds his teeth.

12x16: Claire lays horizontal on a couch as she writhes in pain from the potential werewolf cure, growling and whimpering. Sam sits on a low table near her, Dean and Mick standing slightly farther away. Dean cannot watch any longer and says, “Gonna get some air.” He gets up from his chair to leave the room. Sam looks back down at her, looking distressed.

4x21: Sam and Dean stand in a hotel room. Sam's eyes are watery as he quietly snarls, “No. Say it.” Dean reluctantly accuses him, saying, “It means you're a monster.”

13x03: Sam and Jack stand in the study. Sam looks emotional as he calmly assures him, “My family helped me through that. So now I want to help you. Because you're not evil, Jack.”

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huggybearsunshine · 1 year

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Can I Ask You a Question..?

[Part 1] The qareen finds Dean to be a fascinating subject, exploring multiple dark desires within the hunter, and bringing a lot of things to light that he would rather stay hidden.

“I understand, Dean,” the qareen wearing Amara’s face walked in as if on air, something otherworldly in the gate, “the longing in your heart, I feel it too…” Dean could barely look at it, suddenly feeling exposed in a way that only one other person could make him feel.

“Well, that’s touching, considering you don’t have a heart,” his voice was rough and scratched on its way out.

He dropped his gaze, keeping the beast in his peripheral and hoping if he didn’t look directly at the form, it wouldn’t see further in.

“But there’s something underneath,” it acknowledged his fear with intrigue.

“I’m a ‘what you see is what you get’ kinda guy,” Dean tried to play it off.

“No, that’s just what you want people to believe,” the silky voice responded back.

Suddenly its shape began to change before his eyes, shoulders widening and hair shortening until instead of Amara standing there, it was Cas.

“Stop,” the hunter warned.

“I can see your love for her, but it’s… fabricated, forced…” it tilted its head like him, but it wasn’t him, everything felt wrong, “With this one, it’s real- genuine… grown in secret over many years.”

Dean spotted the nearby knife and began inching toward it, suddenly wishing it was Amara he could fight instead.

“I don’t know what you’re talking about,” he growled.

“Why do you hide from it?” the creature asked, “Just give in.”

And it shook him deep inside to hear those words from Cas’ mouth.

“You’re not him,” Dean’s voice shook, “And I’m, I’m not-“

“But you are,” the deep voice stepped in tandem with him, circling the room like mirroring predators, but Dean felt more like prey than he was used to, “You know you are, and who I am doesn’t matter. The real question is who are you?”

“What do you mean, who am I?” Dean stiffened, forgetting his plan of grabbing the knife entirely.

“You’re a mystery,” Cas’ voice continued, “I can see inside your heart. Feel the love you feel, except, it’s cloaked in shame…”

Dean’s focus could no longer shy away as it crowded in closer, eyes betraying everything he’d fought so hard to conceal.

“When it comes to this,” her hand roamed up the hunter’s torso and he swallowed hard, “You can’t help yourself.”

He looked almost pleadingly toward the creature to stop, but it wasn’t Cas and it would hold none of his sympathies for him.

“Why fight it?” his voice rumbled, “Just give in.”

“You know what, you’re right…” he stepped back, forcing himself to look away, “The real Cas does have a hold over me,” the words nearly stuck in his throat, so accustomed to being held in that they almost wouldn’t come out, “But you’re not him… nothing but a cheap imitation at best. See, I know Cas better than anyone. Better than I know myself sometimes…”

He grabbed a large piece of material from the work sight and held it up just as the beast’s arm punched threw it.

He looked down. Shocked by how close it had come before deciding to run.

Being stalked and attacked by Cas was nothing new to him, but it never failed to be intimidating even if it wasn’t the real Angel who was after him. Everywhere he hid, was destroyed with ease, but he managed to stay ahead until he made a move to stab the Cas-like shape.

A bad move, he discovered as the other man’s arm twisted his own at a painful angle.

Then the free hand gripped his throat.

He was going to die, and the last thing he’d see were those blue eyes, filled not with the usual affection or annoyance as was more often the case, but with malice and hate.

But it froze. His brother had come through at the last minute and the creature retreated before collapsing in on itself like a dying star.

He caught his hand reaching out for him, betraying his own awareness that it wasn’t Cas dying before him but a monster.

“Dean?” Sam’s voice called soon after, hurried footsteps accompanying it until he appeared in the room to find him gasping and eyes wet with unshed tears, seemingly worsened by the sight of his brother.

“Yeah,” his voice shook.

“I got it,” he looked at him in concern, “It’s done…”

He watched the other man try to gather himself and his concern deepened.

“You okay?” he approached like he was nearing an injured animal, slow and cautious.

“Mm hm, yeah,” Dean pushed past him.

He left it alone until they were back at the motel room. Until he couldn’t stand it anymore.

“So, you gonna keep me in suspense here or what?” Sam finally dared to ask.

Dean was standing over the sink, wiping water from his face, and their eyes met in the mirror before he worked himself up to facing him for real.

“About what?” he asked, knowing fully well what.

“Who was it?” Sam wasn’t backing down, unaware of the position he was putting Dean in by asking.

“Amara…” he admitted the easier answer, hating that he found that to be the easier to admit.

Then he noticed it, the lack of shock on his brother’s face.

“You aren’t horrified by that?” he asked incredulous.

“Dean, that’s not your fault,” Sam offered in response, “You know that, right?”

“Yeah, I guess so…” he took a moment before chancing an uncharacteristic amount of honesty, “It wasn’t… just her.”

Sam froze at that, “Yeah?”

“Yeah,” Dean began fidgeting with his bag nervously and Sam’s brow rose at the sudden nervousness overtaking him, “It, uh… turned into,” he couldn’t force it out, couldn’t make himself say it, “Someone I didn’t expect it to…”

“Okay,” Dean’s hands were shaking so Sam let himself sink onto the edge of the bed, trying to be as small as possible in hopes to not scare off this bit of vulnerability he was showing.

“It was Cas…” Dean finally managed the words, eyes scanning anywhere in the room but the direction of his brother, “It turned into Cas.”

“And that surprised you…” it wasn’t a question, but also wasn’t really a statement either.

“It doesn’t surprise you?” Dean tossed the article of clothing in his hand back into the bag and whipped around.

“Not entirely, no…” Sam ventured.

“So you think Cas is my deepest, darkest desire?” Dean’s defenses were building rapidly.

“You don’t?“ Sam stayed calm.

“No, he can’t be,” he ran a hand through his hair, “That would mean I’m…”

“What?” Sam was looking at him with such patient acceptance that Dean couldn’t hold onto his anger, and it faded just as easily as it rose, “Not entirely straight?”

Dean’s eyes turned to his with fear shining out like a light. So strong Sam’s heart ached from it.

“Cas isn’t a man, Dean… He’s more complicated than that,” Sam assured him, “And even if he was, it doesn’t change who you are to feel that way about him…”

“It does to me,” Dean’s eyes darted wildly, tears welling up once more against his will.

“Why?” Sam asked softly, “Cause Dad said it did?”

Dean had no answer for that. It had already been said. Dean knew that was why- knew it wasn’t true- but something in him had clung to that falsehood so tightly, he found it hard to let go.

“There’s nothing wrong with wanting Cas like that,” Sam furthered the statement, “If I’m being honest, I don’t think the feeling is one sided…”

“What?” Dean’s brows shot together.

Sam’s mouth stretched into a grin he was trying desperately to flatten.

“You guys need to talk,” he rubbed a hand over his mouth.

“Me and Cas?” the words felt new, different than before.

“Just my opinion…” Sam shrugged, scared he’d crossed some line with the other hunter.

Dean ran his hands over his face, “This is crazy…”

“Our lives are crazy…” Sam stood, “I’m gonna go grab us something to eat and give you a bit to think or… maybe make a phone call if you feel like it…”

Dean looked at him like he wanted to fight but no words followed so he clapped a hand to his shoulder and continued out the door, leaving Dean alone with a storm of thoughts in his mind.

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xofemeraldstars · 1 year

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SUPERNATURAL 11x13 ❝ love hurts ❞ // 11x18 ❝ hell's angel ❞

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missjackil · 3 months

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Supernatural Battle of the Episodes!

Just My Imagination is really tearing through the season! It probably won't have any trouble with this next one!

Who will it be Chuck?

Chuck: Today we have Love Hurts - kind of a lame episode imo where the guys come across a deadly spell that is passed by kissing. Pretty interesting wincest scene when the witch basically calls out Sam for being wife who keeps taking their cheating husband back, while Dean realizes his deep dark desire is for my stupid sister Amara. Meh...who needs subtext anyway?

#supernatural #spn #episode battle #polls #i do love canon wincest tho #but the rest of the story is dumb

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aceofwhump · 2 years

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No. 13 CAN’T MAKE AN OMELETTE WITHOUT BREAKING A FEW LEGS: Dislocation

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bending-sickle · 1 month

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rewatching supernatural 11x13 and

that’s motherfucking henry zebrowski in your pretty face is going to hell!

#the babysitter changes the channel like a FOOL #supernatural #randomness #last podcast on the left

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dackotafalling · 3 years

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11x13 is so queer-coated that it's fucking hurting me like how is nobody made of fic where instead of Amara it's Cass

#supernatural 11x13 #if you know if it's like this send it to me I'm fucking desperate #shitpost #comedy #seriously wtf #what the fuck #supernatural #superntural #supernatural 15 years #superwholock scared the shit out of me growing up so i'm just now started watching supernatural

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laora-inn · 4 years

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Supernatural - Destiel in 11x13, or Why this episode shouldn’t be “fixed”

Looks like Billie in the last trailer is a villain, ha? ;) Remember that in 11x02 she said Sam that she will toss any Winchester who’ll die into the Empty? Wonder if she already had a deal with the Empty that time.

Back to Destiel moments in the show which, in my point of view, are underrated by fans. Let’s talk about some episodes in 11th season, shouldn’t we?

I’ve noticed that Destiel-shippers mostly don’t like the episode 11x13, you know, the one with Quareen, who looks like Amara to Dean. Though there are some explanations of this situation from Destiel shippers’ point of view. For example, @charlie-minion, a great meta-writer, whose works I’m absolutely fond of, wrote here:

In case there were still people thinking that Dean and Amara were a good thing, real love, the show gave us an episode about “darkest desires”. The spell that Melissa was given was never about LOVE; it was about something perceived as lustful, codependent, obsessive and selfish (as we learned from Staci, Dan, and Melissa). People expecting the Qareen to take Cas’ form when facing Dean missed the whole point.

I am mostly agree with that, but this episode seems much more complex to me.

Because, you know, Dan, Stacy and Melissa look kinda familiar.

Two of them (Dan and Melissa) are in an established relationship. They even have a baby. Then the third one comes, a strong and possessive one (Stacy). She kissed Dan right after Melissa, in front of the nan cam, just to prove her right on him.

Melissa knows about danger which Stacy represents. Melissa truly loves Dan and wants him back, but chooses the wrong way to return his love. This is how we meet the witch of the week, Sonja, whose plan is not to help Melissa, but to kill ALL OF THEM - Dan, Melissa, Stacy. Looks like this witch just hates the whole world, especially people who love each other. She tries to twist their good feelings and for that uses Quareen, a creature, who takes form of their beloved ones.

I’m not saying that the parallel is absolute, but just think of it: Dean and Cas relationship, both of them EQUALS and caring for Sam, whom Dean is like a parent to. Then Amara comes. She kisses Dean to prove her right on him in 11x09 - after he saved Cas from Rowena’s curse in 11x03 and told about “not marriage, but something” with Sam in 11x04. Cas knows Amara is dangerous, he’s faced her. He also feels unloved and expendable - this message he’s got not only from Amara, but from her also. So, for the sake of being useful, especially for Dean, Cas says “yes” to Lucifer in 11x10. Lucifer, of course, promises to defeat Amara, to save the world (and Dean), although his plan is obviously not to help Cas and Dean with Amara, but to kill all of them. He just hates the whole world, especially people who love each other. Dean and Cas, for instance. He tries to twist their good feelings and for that - oh, guess what? - possesses one of them and looks exactly like him!

So, this episode is not only about Quareen Amara, but also about Lucifer and Destiel situation in the whole 11th season.

Note, that Lucifer in 11x11 doesn’t avoid Dean or reveals himself. He acts like Cas, talks to Dean, listens to him, follows him, even touches him! But he does it in a such way, that makes Dean vulnerable and almost gets him dead. Right after their meeting banshee sees Dean as her victim. And she only hunts for the vulnerable ones.

Quareen kills the victims by seducing them and ripping their hearts out. Lucifer in Cas’s vessel is obviously trying to seduce Dean, though really doesn’t care about Dean or his unwanted attraction to Amara, is going to use him as a bait, and all this crap seems to metaphorically rip the heart out of Dean. So banshee decides: oh, someone is vulnerable here. Just the way the man, who had a quarrel with his beloved wife - he was killed by banshee before.

I think 11x11 was the turning point for Dean. Not only because of confession to Casifer about Amara and his not-caring response, which made Dean vulnerable, but also because of Mildred’s words. She said that Dean is pining for someone and advised him to follow his heart. And after that he had a sleepless night. He is stuck between Amara, who scares him and basically wants him dead as a personality (she wants to devour him, but also doesn’t want it to be a non-consensual act - he is an exception for her), and Cas, whom Dean truly loves, by whom he isn’t loved back. As far as he knows.

Relationship with Cas was always painful and complex - like the life itself. Amara’s wish is to give Dean peace, to free him from all the pain, to give him “sheer bliss” - in death. She is like Cas in 4x22, who also wanted peace for Dean and saw that peace in Apocalypse.

Dean didn’t want to die back then, and his point made Cas fall. Dean doesn’t want to die now. He confessed that in 10x16, where also said, that he wanted to experience certain feelings in a different way. He was pining for someone since then - and even earlier. Of course, Dean isn’t pining for Amara.

He is pining for Cas. And it matters a lot now, when Amara is here. It’s no coincidence that Dean told about his feeling towards Amara to Cas first. Dean wanted help from the person he truly loves. Because true love can beat any evil - we know that from fairy-tales. And in case we forgot, the show Stacy was watching before her heart was ripped out reminded us (quoted from the @charlie-minion post mentioned above):

Devil: True love, all right?

Man #1: Is he gone? Like, gone, gone?

Man #2: True love can get us out of here?

Devil: Yeah.

Man #3: Yeah, I’ve been in love a million times.

My point is these lines refer to Dean and his feeling to Amara. He can be saved from this unhealthy and unwanted dependence only by true love, not by some hook-ups with strangers. He literally had dozens of them by that time, gosh, he had one right before 11x13, and that obviously couldn’t help him.

But Cas is gone, played by the Devil himself. So Dean’s confession about Amara to Casifer didn’t work, and Dean ended up with a heartbreak.

That was result of Cas’s wrong choice.

The same as Melissa from 11x13 (who is called just “Mel” by Dan, Dean’s obvious parallel, by the way), Cas trusted the wrong person.

I totally agree that relationships between Melissa, Dan and Stacy are unhealthy. They are WORSE than the relationships between Cas, Dean and Amara. At least, Dean didn’t lie to Cas, he told about Amara. And not for the single moment he wants to “break up” with Cas.

We also have a bunch of “supernatural” and metaphorical excuses for each of Dean, Cas and even Amara. ‘Cause, you know, Amara isn’t evil - just like Stacy. The real evil is Lucifer - the wicked witch of 11th season. That’s why in 11x23, after the moment Amara kicked Lucifer out of Cas and Dean had him back, he succeed to save the world, to survive and finally met his mother, the person who taught him love. When Lucifer is out, there is no problem for Dean to follow his heart :)

Still, the parallel between Melissa-Dan-Stacy and Cas-Dean-Amara remains. And it’s very clear imao. In the end, I doubt that Dan could leave Melissa either.

This episode also has parallel with Cas and Lucifer interaction. Melissa understood her mistake about dealing with the witch and tries to fix it. In some way she succeeded - she helped Sam.

Cas will show up and try to fix his Lucifer mistake in the next episode, 11x14. He will also help Sam to get out from the situation, created by Lucifer.

If it’s not a parallel to the plot of the WHOLE SEASON, I don’t know, what is it.

And this parallel makes absolutely no sense without unplatonic Destiel perception.

So, 11x13 is an important episode - from Destiel-oriented point of view.

And now let’s talk about two moments in the episode, which, I’m sure, are the main reasons DeanCas shippers don’t like it and don’t analyze it much (maybe I just couldn’t find all the meta, but still).

1) Episode 11x13 starts with Dean, who can hardly walk and has a hickey on his neck. It’s the day after Valentine’s Day, and Dean hooked up with some single lady again. And he is planning to go on.

Well, here we see that Dean isn’t so happy about his “romantic” adventures. He doesn’t feel good, spits the fast-food taken from the fridge (maybe it’s not fresh, like his appearance at all), needs a shower and isn’t interested in a case. He says that on Valentine’s Day you don’t have “to be Mr. Right, just be Mr. Right Now” - and that’s the point. He isn’t Mr. Right himself, he doesn’t have his Mr. Right (true love) with him and probably will not ever have. The truth is he is no different than all the single ladies (and gentlemen) and isn’t happy about it.

We see, that Dean is tired of senseless hook-ups. After them he isn’t fond of himself and stinking.

Later he says he’d go on, and that sounds like thing he has to do, but really doesn’t want. That’s why when he isn’t “lucky”, he also isn’t upset.

For me this scene is rather approving Destiel than vice versa.

2) Quareen looks like Amara to Dean.

Here is the point where I want to comment the statement “People expecting the Qareen to take Cas’ form when facing Dean missed the whole point”.

Sure, Quareen is a dark creature who kills people by ripping their hearts out, and for show it was safer to compare Quareen with Amara. Actually both of them mean death to Dean. Besides, we had two Destiel fights, in 10x22 and 11x03. Cas even had a PTSD after. If Quareen was in Cas’s form, we’d have one more Destiel fight in 11x13, and that’d be catastrophic. They just didn’t want to make Destiel look more unhealthy than it already was.

But the statement “Quareen takes the form of the victim’s deepest darkest desire“ doesn’t necessary mean that it should be someone whom the victim was obsessed with (in the worst sense of this word). Sam said Melissa truly loved Dan, and I believe that. Dan and Stacy could be obsessed by each other, but Melissa? I doubt. She is portrayed as basically innocent person who just made a huge mistake.

More important, Quareen said to Dean:

Amara: I understand, Dean.

Dean: Is that right?

Amara: The longing in your heart, I feel it too.

Dean: (inching towards the knife) Well that’s touching. Consider that you don’t have a heart. Qareen.

Amara: Who I am doesn’t matter. The real question is who are you?

Dean: What do you mean who am I?

Amara: You’re a mystery. I can see inside your heart. Feel the love you feel. Except it’s cloaked in shame. When it comes to this (touches her body), you can’t help yourself, so why fight it? Just give in.

Quareen told about LOVE. About longing, which is a synonym to “pining” and was used in 10th season to describe a state when somebody is praying to Cas. Cas told to Claire he can feel longing of another person.

So, Quareen feels longing too. And love. That means this creature can take form of a person, who victim truly loves. But, I think, in Dean’s case it’s not obvious, that’s why Quareen talks about mystery and shame, and doesn’t say that Amara is true love here (just someone Dean can’t help himself with). It’s not strange: Dean certainly knows towards whom he feels love, but doesn’t want someone else knows. In fact he tries to forget himself, because is sure that his feelings aren’t mutual.

I think that’s why Dean told to Sam:

Dean: You know the silver lining about being cursed? I’ll finally get some face time with Daisy Duke. My deepest darkest desire.

Sam: Seriously?

Dean: Ever since I was seven.

Sam: So Bach, not Simpson.

Dean: Eh. Guess I wouldn’t say no to either.

From the start Dean didn’t know what this curse was about. Now he is aware and LYING. Daisy Duke isn’t his deepest darkest desire, he doesn’t care for her more than for any other option Sam can offer. He says it himself. Why is he lying?

I’m sure Dean here thought about Cas and didn’t expect to see Amara AT ALL.

Quareen’s point wasn’t to go deep, to understand complex love, cloaked with shame. To Quareen a victim, who can’t help themselves, would be enough. So in Dean’s case Quareen‘s form is far aside from love. It’s the first obvious form, which has a strong influence, and that influence is really bad. Far from love.

So yes, people expecting the Qareen to take Cas’ form IN THIS SITUATION missed the whole point. But simultaneously Dean was such a person HIMSELF, and it could actually work.

I think Dean was expecting to see Cas also because of this conversation:

Dean: Honestly? You seriously think the sister of God is my deepest darkest desire?

Sam: She isn’t?

Dean: No! She can’t be!

Sam: Why not?

Dean: Why? Because if she is that means that I’m…

Sam: Means you’re what? Complicit? Weak? Evil?

Dean: For starters, yeah.

Dean is already confessed to Casifer he and Amara has some kind of connection. Gosh, he even confessed that to Sam - it wasn’t easy, because Dean IS AFRAID of Amara. He isn’t in denial of the fact of their connection. He just doesn’t like its definition, and I am totally agree with his further line: “Something happens and I can’t explain it, but to call it desire or love…it’s not that”.

Within this conversation Dean hasn’t finished the line: “Because if she is that means that I’m...” Sam interrupted him with “Means you’re what? Complicit? Weak? Evil?“, Dean said “For starters, yeah”. I think, he wanted to say something else. For example, “that means that I’m not in love with Cas. And I love him”. Whatever it would be, I consider Cas would be involved, in Dean’s mind for sure - ‘cause Dean probably couldn’t say something about his Cas-related feelings to Sam.

Anyway, I think there was a reason for Dean to be so sure that “No! She can’t be!”. It’s not fear or denial. He adjusts that something is happening, and I think he understands what love and desire are. This “something” isn’t them.

The chain of events with Quareen is the next: Dean is uncomfortable with his true “darkest desire”, he talks to Sam about the first girl he can remember, a fictional character, by the way, then sees fake Amara, who hasn’t expected to see, she talks to him about his mysterious love, covered in shame and definitely more complex than his feeling for real Amara is, then Sam stabs Quareen’s heart and Dean is like “it couldn’t be Amara, very strange, I love someone else”.

So, if it’s not Amara (accurate) and not random girls to talk with Sam about (accurate), then who the hell it is?!

I think we all know the answer.

From the point of story, to Destiel shippers Quareen looking like Amara is not bad at all. I think this episode is supposed to be a gift for us shippers, but then our own heteronormativity stood on the way and made it hard to see the whole picture.

From the very beginning this episode was full of Destiel: numerous text and plot parallels, which make ABSOLUTELY no sense without implying DeanCas as one of the main points of season 11; Dean tired of senseless hook-ups and unhappy about Valentine’s Day, ‘cause his heart is broken; Dean who wants to hide his true darkest desire from Sam by saying some crap about fictional girls; Quareen‘s words about Dean’s mysterious love, longing, and shame; Dean’s own disagreement with his “love” or “desire” to Amara whom he didn’t suppose to see; his unfinished phrase to Sam.

So no way 11x13 should be “fixed” with adding more Destiel of changing Amara to Cas. It makes no sense.

I wonder how this heavy Destiel content ended up with “Dean loves Amara” perception. The content wasn’t so subtle, you know.

Just how strong our heteronormativity could be?

And how the hell despite of that we manage to get almost canon Destiel relationship? In fact, they are more canon, then any other romance in this story.

______________________ To conclude, I have some difficulties with the tumblr usage for now, but I'd like to communicate with the co-shippers.

So, if you want to hear my opinion about or to point out any Destiel moment in the show, feel free to write to my ask. I’ll try to answer ASAP - we all are in the same boat now, so it’s important to support each other and to share our thoughts. Some kind of therapy, I’d say :)

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supernatural s11e22 we happy few (w. robert berens)

why does lucifer keep dressing like cas now that the jig is up (i'm just really asking for the trench coat to leave the building) also grumbling when i see there's a pre-episode recap thing in the transcript because netflix just doesn't show them anymore, since s10

CHUCK I’ve missed a few… million… birthdays— LUCIFER Yeah, and the second your apes send a distress flare, boom. Daddy’s home. CHUCK That’s not what happened. DEAN Hey, these apes saved your ass. (LUCIFER scowls and snaps his fingers. SAM and DEAN look sick but quickly realize nothing happened.)

millions of birthdays, it's nice getting even a ballpark on the timeline the show is working with

LUCIFER Screw you. Screw all of you. (LUCIFER storms out between SAM and DEAN. When he’s left the room, CHUCK huffs and begins to leave as well.) CHUCK Kids, huh?

maybe he should call up jody, get some tips. dealing with grumpy angsty teens

god in the kitchen, making pancakes. okay. flashing that world's greatest dad mug again

i like her already

definitely most qualified people to be running a therapy session, they're such great communicators!!

LUCIFER No, you betrayed me. You gave me the Mark to lock her away, and when it changed me – when it did what the Mark inevitably does – you threw me away. CHUCK No, son. The Mark... you always cast a jaundiced glance at humans. The Mark didn’t change you. It just made you more of what you already were.

aha see i'd read that in fic, the thing about the mark making you more of what you already were re: dean and i wondered if that was fanon or canon. question answered!

LUCIFER You have any idea what it’s like to argue with your father when your father is God? (to CHUCK) Everything is a tautology with you. Everything is, “Because I told you so.” Everything’s, “It had to be done.” DEAN Pretty sure that’s all fathers.

okay that made me laugh

the trope of getting all the people scattered about who hate each other to work against a common enemy is a fun one. perkier way of having to get all these subplots to merge into the main than they usually do, so i'll take it

DEAN Right, but why keep her in play? So she can escape and we can go through this all over again? SAM Dean, what is this about? DEAN I – Nothing. Am I the only one thinking rational here? LUCIFER It's about her. Sam, it's about his girlfriend. DEAN Okay. Shut up. LUCIFER I mean, think about it. Dean Winchester meets the biggest evil in the universe, and he takes a pass? Come on. Now he wants Daddy to do what he couldn't. SAM Is he right? DEAN Oh, I'm not getting into it with him. Not gonna happen. LUCIFER Hey, Dean. Come on, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. We opened a vein for you two. DEAN I tried to kill her. (Flashback to DEAN stabbing AMARA only for the knife to shatter.) And it didn't work. CHUCK Maybe it didn't work because you didn't want it to work. Maybe you didn't want to kill her. SAM You want God to kill Amara because you don't want Amara to be killed? DEAN Yeah, maybe there's a part of me that just can't hurt her. But if she's already dead— SAM Then she's already dead. Right.

i don't understand. didn't sam already know this? if this not explicitly, sure seems like an obvious extension of this part of dean and him having a good quality, honest conversation about this in 11x13??

from s11e13 DEAN Standing here right now, every bone in my body wants to run her through. Send her back to that hole she crawled out of. But when I’m near her, I don’t know. Something happens and I can’t explain it, but to call it desire or love…it’s not that. I’m screwed man. We wanna kill the Darkness. We need to kill the Darkness. And I don’t think I can. I’m sorry to do that to you, ya know, but when it comes right down to it… SAM I got it Dean.

CHUCK Oh, yeah, I've been quietly rooting against you both for some time now. Although, I can't deny you're one of my guilty pleasures. ROWENA (giggles) Oh, God. CROWLEY (scoffs) Oh, God. DEAN All right, no flirting. And no fighting.

lol

SAM God and I talked about this. Someone needs to bear the Mark. DEAN Well, that should be me. I-I've had it before. I'm damaged goods. CHUCK Exactly. You've already been tainted. I can't transfer it to you. Sam volunteered.

what the fuck, bro

DEAN First Cas is making kamikaze side plans, and now you? You couldn't have talked to me? SAM We did talk. DEAN And what happens when the Mark turns you psycho, then what? SAM You lock me up where I can't hurt anyone and you throw away the key. DEAN Sam, no. SAM Dean, you told me you couldn't beat Amara, that it would have to be me. Well, this is it – me.

this seems so ridiculous. we have been down this path so many times. neither of them can tolerate the other one sacrificing their lives for the greater good. hello the trials, getting the mark off dean that caused all this mess. contrived messy conflict over the fucking mark again. trying to remember why he had the mark to begin with, to kill abaddon? they really need a better prison system

so everyone who's helping rowena got killed but rowena magically makes it out unscathed. boo. booo. i don't want rowena getting killed off or anything, but if you're gonna do all of them and not the recurring character... bleh.

kansas power corp with an atom logo would a nuclear power plant. mmmk

AMARA It was ego! You wanted to be big!

okay dramatic speech but this just made me giggle. uppies! i am not following this confrontation very well. i just don't caaare. glory of creation, grace, she felt it in dean, sure. but basically wants to wipe everything clean except dean soo doesn't matter. fun heisty vibes were very shortlived

guessing that really bad cg was lucifer popping out of cas. like, excuse me what is that

guess the brief angst over the mark was for nothing, which being i've never heard of it in relation to sam before, i should have known

thank you for mussing up her eye makeup a little. after getting blasted across the asphalt and passing out for an unknown period of time.

the added element of suspense when i don't realize this is a 23 episode season, not 22 :p dunno what's going on outside, but i guess the end times have pretty lighting. very 2016-insta ready

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When the camera speeds through into Donatello Redfield's home, it is very reminiscent of the "rammo-cam" shots that director Sam Raimi would frequently use in the Evil Dead series.

funny, i mentioned a shot that reminded me of the evil dead series too - in 10x11 (different director though, this was john badham and 10x11 was phil sgriccia)

shaky over the shoulder pov cam thing in the opening giving me evil dead/army of darkness vibes. campy

#supernatural #spnwatch #spn 11x22 #robert berens

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