#2ct theory

[midnight-in-town]

Frances Midford : The Mentor, a summary

To follow with my post about fighting against misinformation, here’s a first topic. 

Ciel’s remaining aunt is often viewed by the fandom as a mean lady who doesn’t care, because of a) all the mysteries around the family that Ciel doesn’t know about and b) the use of comic relief in Kuroshitsuji often used to hide some relevant clues, as previously demonstrated in this post. This is actually far from what her character really is about and I intend to demonstrate it now with a (long) recap post. 

I have talked about Frances a lot in the past, about her caring about our!Ciel and about her possibly knowing, like Tanaka, that he was lying about his identity. While the former is undeniably true, the latter is still up for debate. [X][X][X][X] However, with the upcoming adaptation of the Weston arc (probably) in 2024, I don’t want the old discourse to come back, so without further ado...

What Yana has said about Frances’ character

Besides our!Ciel, Frances is the last remaining Phantomhive (not counting real!Ciel as a BD). She’s Vincent’s younger sister, they both have the same parents (that is to say Claudia P and Cedric K. Ros) and she married out of the family (implying that maybe the Phantomhives have distant relatives still alive), becoming Lady Midford. 

According to Yana, Frances takes after their dad while Vincent takes after their mom and the same is true for her kids, meaning Ed takes after her (thus takes after his maternal grandfather) while Liz takes after Alexis. 

As far as her relationship with our!Ciel is concerned, here’s what Yana said in the guidebook : “Frances' strength of character is why Sebastian chose her as a role model Ciel should follow”. Since her relationship with Lizzie is sometimes also viewed negatively, I’d like to add that both in the guidebook and on twitter, Yana said that “Liz thinks her mom is kind and strong so she looks up to her mom as a role model she aspires to become”, hence the similar hair style.

TL;DR Yana’s overall description of Frances is that a) she’s kind and strong which is why b) she’s Lizzie’s role model, as well as the role model Sebastian thinks our!Ciel should follow.

Now that this is established, here’s what the canon story gives us, to illustrate Yana’s words. Spoilers for the entire manga series and long read below the cut.

Frances’ introduction

Frances is introduced in ch14 and, boy, what a generally misunderstood chapter by some parts of the fandom. xDD

Contextually, ch14 is Ciel’s birthday, meaning it is also the anniversary of the massacre of the previous household and Madam Red just died, after trying to kill him. For those who might wonder, the guidebook confirmed that our!Ciel was quite saddened by Ann’s death (obviously), so really, what a fun 13th birthday in perspective. Cue Liz and Frances. 

The comments on her strength aside, Frances’ introduction is otherwise often misread as her nagging being inappropriate but I beg to differ. As mentioned by @akumadeenglish​ and @chibimyumi​, Yana is Japanese author who likes to explore writing tropes in depth. Though it’s also important to remember that, before the curry arc, Yana didn’t know how long the series would run so everything had less intent, because the story was initially supposed to end quickly.

In other words, Frances’ introduction really is initially to be read as the severe mother-in-law (based on Japanese comical stereotypes) coming to check on how he handles his household, which is why Seb is so stressed out when everything goes bonkers. But that’s only the surface. 

Most importantly though, Frances showed up because it is Ciel’s birthday and, as said above, there’s a lot of negative and dreadful memories associated with this day. So...

...let’s change his mind, shall we? 

Phantomhives love games and Frances is a Phantomhive too, the last one besides our!Ciel, so she knows her nephew and chooses an activity she knew he wouldn’t be able to resist. 

Ch14 also introduces two important facts that are still relevant as plot points, especially as far as the Blue Revenge arc is concerned. The first one is that our!Ciel protected Lizzie from that bear, so Frances said she owes him. 

Secondly, as stated by Frances herself, she knows the ropes of the “game” (aka acting as the Watchdog) better than our!Ciel (”you’ve still got a decade to go before you can even think of winning against me”). 

In fact, like our!Ciel with real!Ciel, Frances was probably raised as Vincent’s spare [X][X], but compared to our!Ciel who knew next to nothing about his father’s real job until 3 years ago (at the time of ch14), Frances is an experienced veteran...

And that’s why Seb chose her as a role model for our!Ciel.

Therefore it is my opinion that ch14, despite being written back when Sensei didn’t know how long the series would be published, is still relevant as heck when it comes to Frances’ role in the series, aka acting as a mentor for our!Ciel (and for Lizzie, as Yana also stated). Kuroshitsuji is a slow story though, with a lot of build up and it’s why some fans still fail to see how significant Frances is to the plot and to our!Ciel’s development. 

Campania arc

Liz is the one who comes to ask our!Ciel to come with her whole family (thus introducing Alexis and Edward) on a cruise, but it’s also very important to note that she conveyed that Frances thought that our!Ciel should take time off of work:

This led some of us fans to theorize that maybe Tanaka used to send updates to Frances about our!Ciel’s wellbeing and how he fared as the Watchdog: the timing of the cruise works well with Frances’ remark, considering that the Queen just sent Charles Grey as a merry punishment for Ciel’s deeds during the Circus arc. 

This arc mostly highlights Frances’ bravery and strength : she didn’t hesitate to fight for countless of passengers unrelated to her (something that UT said isn’t very typical of Phantomhives, during Weston)...

More importantly, we finally get into Lizzie’s personal motivations and we indeed have the confirmation that...

...Frances is a big key to Lizzie’s strength, confirming the role model/mentor position that she holds in Lizzie’s eyes. I’d like to also point out that Frances completely trusts in her daughter’s abilities, which highlights a very positive mother/daughter dynamic.

Lizzie’s flashback gives us this very important bit...

...a part that’s unfortunately often overlooked by the fans complaining that Frances is too severe with our!Ciel and Lizzie. This scene however makes way more sense once we find out, after the Weston arc, that Frances lost her mother Claudia (the Watchdog before Vincent) when she was probably about 12 or 13 years old (Vincent being 15 years old then). 

To me, this is a big explanation as to why Frances is as serious about training as she is:

Indeed, she lost at least her mom (and later her brother) so, since her daughter is betrothed to the future Watchdog, she wants Liz to be strong enough to survive. All I see in the former panel is a mother saddened by the burden on her child’s shoulder and desperate to imagine that she will be exposed to a lot of danger as an adult. 

Side point there, but it’s likely there’s a very relevant reason Frances’ only daughter was betrothed to Vincent’s heir when they were young kids. We’ll dive into it later, but I believe the answer is tied to the Phantomhive lineage introduced in ch103. 

Lastly, our!Ciel’s flashback also gave us another important bit to explore...

...which is that our!Ciel directly applies what Frances once told him to his current path for revenge: 

Also note the allusion again to Vincent “losing the game”, creating a parallel with Frances telling our!Ciel in ch14 that “he still has a decade to go before he can even think of winning against her”, because he has a lot to learn from her, especially since even he admits that he knows next to nothing about his own family.

The previous spare teaching the spare. How fitting. :D

Weston arc

Even if Frances only appears in this arc during the cricket game, I think there is a lot to be deduced from it. First, I’ve said it long ago and I’ll say it again: I strongly believe Frances played a part into Vincent’s victory during the first blue miracle.

Mind you, Tanaka basically confirmed that Vincent cheated to win (since he knew what Seb and Ciel were up to) and I could totally see Vincent asking his strong little sister to crossdress in order to destroy the Green team. xDD Besides, she certainly seems uneasy whenever the topic is brought up and she also wasn’t fooled by Ciel’s act when he won, haha!

This is silly, but this shows (imo) that Frances and Vincent had a good sibling dynamic, with Frances supporting her brother as the Watchdog as much as she could, which is heartwarming because this means Frances would have no reason not to support her brother’s sons after his death. 

Tanaka (who, according to Yana, was already in the household taking care of Vincent and Frances as children) and Frances happily dancing together at the end of the tournament also confirms this. Vincent and Frances having a strong sibling bond would also explain why, despite Claudia’s death, Frances would agree to the betrothal between Lizzie and Vincent’s heir (and would keep it that way, even after Vincent’s death).

All that to say, I’m sure the cricket game confirmed to Frances how similar our!Ciel is to Vincent on some aspects (the second blue miracle attests to that), which probably makes him somewhat predictable (and reassuring?) to her.

One thing that I also believe is important is Ed’s mini flashback during the game. On this topic, Yana has said that she couldn’t draw his backstory in detail, so she’ll probably expand on that in the future, which makes me think that there is some foreshadowing in there. 

TBH I think it’s ironic that Ed would consider himself as “ordinary”, considering the whole lineage thing introduced one arc later. xDD But also, if we consider that the tale of Vincent’s first blue miracle is supposed to hint that Vincent and Frances were close as siblings, it’s nice that Ed, who takes after his mom the most, would also have his own flashback about loving and looking up to his sister a lot, despite his small inferiority complex. Considering that Liz sees their mom as her role model though, I guess that means Ed also sees his mom as a role model (though the Campania arc already made that pretty clear). 

During the Weston arc, Frances also managed to surprise Sebastian, both by recognizing him (lol) and by stopping him despite his intent to leave, which is, according to the demon himself, no small feat: 

Like the usual nagging she does towards Seb though, it’s played for laugh, but as introduced in this post, I believe overused comic relief is a way to foreshadow some hints and we’ll dive into it with the next arc. 

Last but not least, during this arc UT commented that our!Ciel was different from his ancestors when he willingly put himself in danger to save Joanne...

...but as presented during the Campania arc, it seems it’s a trait he shares at least with his aunt, furthering the parallels between them and the fact that she would definitely make a good mentor for our!Ciel, because they’re quite alike and can probably understand each other. 

Green Witch arc

The only relevant part of this arc with Frances’ character is the introduction of a special lineage in the Phantomhive family by German Shinigamis...

...something that might explain why our!Ciel was able to notice them, when even Seb didn’t. So this begs the question: who else in his family shares this lineage? And obviously, Frances and her kids might !

My personal opinion is that the lineage thing is old and is probably why the Phantomhive family became the Watchdogs, many generations ago. But also, if our!Ciel can notice Shinigamis thanks to it, could it explain why Frances was able to detect and catch Seb during opening ceremony before the cricket game at Weston? And why she always nags him about his appearance (both hair and face)? That remains to be confirmed, but...

...at the very least Bravat in the recent arc confirmed that some gifted people like himself can “sense” that demons are different. Just like animals [x][x], apparently. Bravat is irrelevant besides being a small scale villain though, so I take it as a hint for a more plot significant character, such as Frances, whose nagging behavior towards Seb is way too overused as comic relief anyway. 

The lineage thing is yet one more family topic on which Frances probably has answers to give to our!Ciel (the only other people who might know about it being Tanaka and UT). 

Bonus : if what Vincent said below about strong-willed women in the family line (from a side story “With Father”) is a hint towards the lineage thing...

...then it’s probably why Vincent wanted Lizzie to be betrothed to his heir in the first place and why Frances agreed. 

Blue sect & blue revenge arcs

I already mentioned that Bravat’s innate ability to recognize Seb as a demon was a hint that other characters, like Frances, might be able to guess that Seb is a demon as well, so moving on to ch151 :

This chapter confirms that UT has known Frances since she was very young (which is a hint to the UT = Cedric theory of course), which also explains why, knowing about her strength, UT went on with the whole BD massacre on the Campania despite the presence of our!Ciel and the Midfords on board. 

Also, while this chapter neither confirms nor denies if Frances knew about our!Ciel lying about his identity (like Tanaka and UT did), she didn’t show anger nor disbelief about the situation, just her incomprehension.  

More than anything, this chapter strongly hints that our!Ciel will at some point seek his aunt for a talk before the final confrontation with UT and real!Ciel, because both are seeking answers to their different questions (our!Ciel needs to find out about UT & his grandmother and the lineage thing, while Frances will want to know what’s the deal between the twins). Speaking of which, a talk between Lizzie and Frances is probably also in order, before Lizzie can choose our!Ciel’s side again.

Lastly, ch151 hinted that Frances doesn’t fully believe that real!Ciel’s return is “natural”...

...and, i mean, why would she? She faced the Bizarre Dolls on the Campania and, for all we know, Edward told her how the Weston arc ended so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ considering that UT has been involved every time, the Midfords probably aren’t far from connecting the dots about real!Ciel being already dead. 

To sum up !

Outside of the narrative, Yana said that Frances was Lizzie’s role model and that Seb also wanted her to be the model our!Ciel should follow. And, in my opinion, the entire series so far (as I tried to present in this post) is slowly building up to that because :

our!Ciel and Frances are very similar: both the spares & both survived their parents’ and brothers’ death 

both saved folks unrelated to them despite being Phantomhives, meaning that they are a bit alike and can understand each other

our!Ciel literally built his path of revenge following the advice Frances told him about how to counterattack an opponent

Again, to understand who targeted his family, our!Ciel needs to find out about his grandmother, about the lineage and about why his dad had to be killed amongst other things. The only people who can answer him are UT, Tanaka and Frances. 

I believe UT and Tanaka are more connected to Claudia, but also both are by real!Ciel’s side for now, making them less accessible for a talk. This leaves Frances for the time being and, as Vincent’s sister and Claudia’s daughter, it seems appropriate that answers would be coming from her. 

Also, in shonen series, usually the hero(es) have a mentor figure who will help them “unlock their potential” through training. Kuroshitsuji is not your usual shonen and I doubt our!Ciel can become better at fighting lmao, but Frances can certainly help him better appreciate the massive scale he’s bound to face when seeking his revenge. Especially if it all goes back to events from 3 generations ago and a worldbuilding full of supernatural elements, as well as a world war he doesn’t entirely comprehend yet. 

Frances acting as a mentor/role model for her own kids also foreshadows that they’ll follow our!Ciel on his journey and, like him, they’ll definitely need her wisdom/knowledge to be able to reach the necessary level for survival by his side.

As to when all that is going to happen, well, I’d say Frances will probably take on a more active role in the plot when, to quote Seb in ch14, "[our!Ciel] will overconfidently believe that he cannot lose and that it will be necessary for him to carry himself with humility while striving for his goal". Because by then, "an adult who will be firm with him is what he'll need". 

If that doesn’t foreshadow the current conflict between the twins, I don’t know what does. xD

Thanks for reading!! As always, let me know if I’ve forgotten anything !

#kuroshitsuji #frances midford #ciel phantomhive #sebastian michaelis #tanaka #undertaker #elizabeth midford #edward midford #2CT #vincent phantomhive #phantomhive dynamics #claudia phantomhive #yana toboso #kuroshitsuji theory #my analysis #as of: #kuro202

[abybweisse]

I find it kinda funny when people who don't like the whole "Undertaker is Cedric" theory try to say that it "would not suit Yana's writing style at all!" cause like... have we... been reading the same manga? 💀 I am myself not completely sold on it but I can admit that it's EXACTLY the type of shit Yana loves to write I mean c'mon 😭 Destructive love is an overarching theme of this entire story, almost every arc has some sort of "the things we do for love" subplot, not to mention that it's pretty evident that Yana draws a lot of her inspiration from the classic gothic romance. Regardless if the theory is true or not, it absolutely DOES suit her writing style. Kinda the same goes for the argument "well it would be too obvious and on the nose" my siblings in Christ ya'll already said this about the twin theory

Well-worn but well-suited

I actually don't recall people making the argument it wouldn't fit her style.

But no 💩 about the other part. A LOT of the people railing against 2CT said it was too obvious a choice to be the one she goes with.

I will direct readers back to my old post about the historical Ronald Knox. I would like to update that post, but not right now. Regardless of the updates I'd like to make, that post is still pretty much dead-on. Yana-san enjoys breaking ALL of his commandments of detective fiction. I wrote it in February of 2016, but I already assumed a very specific version of 2CT to be true (and it is canon now). 😆

Those "Ten Commandments" are also mentioned here, among other clichés or tropes she's used... and references... that work in the series. I also have several posts about literary archetypes. Heck, I have a huge theory about the entire framework being based on a game. 😆 It's not about the originality of the basic ideas, it's about how original you can be in the presentation. These well-worn ideas are only tired if they are written in a tired way.

#black butler #kuroshitsuji #yana toboso #undertaker #cloudia phantomhive #claudia phantomhive #theories #ronald knox #historical figures #detective fiction #undertaker is cedric theory #cloudia x undertaker #claudia x undertaker #undertaker x claudia #undertaker x cloudia #anon #i answered a thing #answered asks #jul 19 2023 #2ct

[nighttime-tea-party]

since you say youve been in the kuro fandom even before BoC aired, could you tell me about how it was back then? :D ive always been interested in learning how internet culture used to be, how things eventually changed, how they improved/declined etc, more so when the current community is pretty much dead. was there an experience that marked you, what do you remember most fondly? was there an event that excited the fandom more than any other (like the release of a chapter or smth)? which blogs were the most popular? Its okay if you dont want to tho, i understand!

Super interesting question! I hope I can provide some equally interesting information in return.

Before the fandom had reached Tumblr, much of it centred around a forum, or at least much of what I knew. It wasn't originally a Kuroshitsuji forum but a sub-forum of a Bleach forum, actually. I think it was called Bleach Asylum? And I don't know exactly how it came to be but I think that Bleach forum had lots of sub forums for then-popular anime and manga but Kuroshitsuji gained so much popularity and the fandom happened to gather there, so that sub forum really took off and it ended up being an anchor point for the fandom. I used to always look for the most recent scanlations there, back before we were able to buy them legally.

I didn't actively participate in that forum but I lurked occasionally. It was full of wild discussions, one of which was the "two Ciel(s) theory"/"2CT" as it was called back then. It had a strong following on the website back then already. I sadly don't remember any of the other theories that were making rounds back then...

I didn't really participate in much fandom stuff back then, limited my art posts to deviantArt and my personal facebook... but eventually, I made a tumblr specifically to interact with the fandom.

As for blogs, I don't really like doing any name dropping, especially because it would go into some people who used to ship sebaciel and turned anti, and other stuff I'd rather not talk about. I do feel like back in the day, there were a couple of gigantic Kuroshitsuji blogs with massive followings that got a LOT of asks every day (to the point where it seemed like a full time job to keep up with them). Discussion around sebaciel was very different, there have always been people who disliked it but unfounded rumours like "did you know that Kuroshitsuji was supposed to be a yaoi" made rounds without people questioning it. That always annoyed me a little tbh haha.

There was one fan artist on deviantArt whose name I sadly don't remember but I think they were THE kuro artist in Western fandom back then because their style looked very similar to the anime style. I still see their art sometimes.

And fun fact on the side, I grew up in German fandom spaces and we had a big website called Animexx (I think it's still around) that was dedicated specifically to all things manga, anime, and related stuff. They had really convenient ways of browsing on-site fanart, fanfic, doujinshi, cosplay, and other fan creations, as well as forums and ways to host your own fan events. Until the early 2010s, I hung out there a lot so until then, my perspective is distorted by that German lens. I used to post my early Kuroshitsuji fanart there too.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask! I feel like I could go on tangents for much longer but idk how interesting that would be.

[redrobin-detective]

What exactly is the big plot twist in black butler? Would you mind telling? Wikipedia only has a very short summary that seems out of date?

I'll try and make it quick but its uh messy. Im fact checking dates but as an FYI this is based on my knowledge and memory. Spoilers under the cut.

For simplicity's sake, the big spoiler of Kuro is that the main character we've followed the entire manga wasn't Ciel Phantomhive. That the Real Ciel had an unnamed sickly twin (Our Ciel) who assumed his identity when he made a contract with Sebastian upon Ciel's death from the cult.

For the longer explanation let's wind back the clock a bit to 2014-2015. The Green Witch arc is finishing and the Music Hall arc is starting up. There had been whispers of a theory before the Green Witch arc but that arc really cemented the idea of the Two Ciel Theory (2CT). Prior to the GW arc, I'd heard of the idea but hadn't put much thought into it. This is now Laughably hilarious in hindsight because do you know what was also airing in 2015? Gravity Falls.

The 2CT was floating around at the same time as the Stan Twin theory was gaining traction. I believed in neither (RIP me being team Gruncle for Grandpa). So even after Not What He Seems aired and confirmed the Stan Twins Theory to which me and tumblr lost our goddamn frigging minds, I still did not believe in 2CT.

Eventually as the Music Hall arc continued the clues piled up even as I stubbornly insisted otherwise. I was, as everyone was, devastated by the death of Agni but an unnamed third party. I finally at that point accepted the truth. I still remember the exact panel that finally convinced me

I didn't get the context until later (Real Ciel swallowed the blue Phantomhive ring which Our Ciel cut out of him after being rescued by Sebastian, nasty) but this whole chapter convinced me and sure enough like a chapter later we get this.

So this was revealed in 2015. THIS ARC IS STILL TECHNICALLY GOING ON. In that time I finished college took a gap year did two years of nursing school and now four years of nursing. We still don't know how or why Real Ciel was revived (Undertaker for sure but to what extent), Our Ciel and his servants are still on the run and we've had some interesting but Incredibly Too Long flashbacks on the origins of the servants.

I love Kuro as a tragic, mystery manga but please Yana, pleaseeeee can you move things along a little faster? I'll be in an old age home before we find out Our Ciel's proper name.

#kuroshitsuji #kuroshitsuji spoilers #is it spoilers at this point lol #I'm very much team Our Ciels real name is Sirius #parallels Ciel (sky) with Sirius (stars) #also Our Ciel stole Real Ciels name #so in the Music Hall arc Real Ciel was going by Sirius #anyway I'll never get over the fact that we had 2 massive fandom secret twin reveals in a year

[blackbutler-fangirl]

Hello! Has anyone written or saved an analysis of chapters 93-95, particularly about the chess match between r!Ciel and Smile? I would love to read about their chess confrontation before 2CT was 'confirmed.' I might be overanalyzing, but I'm still curious to hear different perspectives about their allies and enemies :>

Smile (black pieces)

Knight (Sebastian)

King (theoretically Smile, but he's in front of the king, is he another piece or the one that controls them?)

Pawn 1 (Madame Red)

Rook (Vincent & Rachel)

Pawn 2 (theory: Agni)

Pawn 3 ?

Ciel (white pieces)

Bishop (Joker)

Pawn 1 (Doll)

Pawn 2 ?

Knight (theory: Tanaka)

Rook (theory: Undertaker)

Queen (theory: Elizabeth)

#2CT #kuroshitsuji #black butler #kks #bb #ciel phantomhive #ciel #sebastian #black butler analysis #kuroshitsuji analysis #manga analysis #help #?

[phantomhivetwinsteam]

100 chapters Later........

O!Ciel: ........

Sebastian: ........

Everyone: .......

O!Ciel: ........ I-I-I am.... I....

O!Ciel’s Brain: *how to get away with a murder: Processing*

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[lordsyeda]

O!Ciel’s name is Sirius Phantomhive

It is apparently the brightest star in the sky.

It’d be cute because Ciel’s name means sky right? So like how stars illuminate the sky, Sirius brightens up Ciel’s life, they make each other happy. Stars can be used to navigate as well. So for Ciel, his brother is the brightest star in the sky, guiding him to his goal of being a good and honorable Earl, because the purpose of helping his younger brother guides him to that goal.

Also Sirius is also called the Dog Star, which fucking perfect, after all he is the Queen’s watchdog, he’s assumed that role and it suits him. Its also said to literally mean scorching. Suits O!Ciel right. Like the fire that consumed his mansion and his parents, like the brand mark seared into his skin, like how he himself will be engulfed by a demon for his sins, how he rejected heaven and his sins would earn him an eternity in hell...

And wouldnt it be cool, we can assume that Lord Sirius was R!Ciel, so wouldnt it be so funny, that R!Ciel finds out his brothers commited identity theft on Ciel, so he’s like odc why you stole my name, but that gives me the right to take your name. So he goes around callimg himself Lord Sirius for shits and giggles.

Everything just fits. Also theres the added bonus of Ciel and Sirius both starting with the “sss” sound. Tried to find a name like that because umm, me and my twin sister do so now its basically a twin rule in my eyes that you have to obey.

#ciel phantomhive #real ciel #original ciel #2ct theory #black butler manga #black butler #kuroshitsuji #name suggestions #lord sirius #if its true im never gonna shut up about it #twin theory

[kjgers]

Recently it's getting harder and harder to find good quality Kuroshitsuji-related content. Please if you run a kuro blog, make sure to reblog this post in order to make it easier for me to find and follow new people! :)

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[paintedsora]

@astresora

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[iloveblackbutler]

Facial Expressions pt. 1

the phantomhive twins (o!ciel on the left & r!ciel on the right)

vincent and r!ciel phantomhive

#kuroshitsuji #black butler #manga #anime #anime art #yana toboso #ciel phantomhive #our ciel #real ciel #2ct theory #phantomhive twins #our!ciel #real!ciel #sebastian michaelis #undertaker #shinigami

[midnight-in-town]

Food for thoughts, but I really enjoy that the creed on real!Ciel’s “side” (hard how to define how big that is) is that “the original will always prevail and do better”. Because it’s all based on the bigger concept that, with the Bizarre Doll project, the frontier between life and death disappeared, meaning someone like real!Ciel and Doll still exist on a technicality (and edited records).

Meanwhile, our!Ciel’s side will rather insist that…

…obviously there is a significant difference between being alive and dead, though they have yet to truly get a victory and make their point against the other side on that precise difference.

Once they do though, our!Ciel’s side will then be able to fight his brother about being a “copy that failed to outshine the original”.

Can’t wait :))

#kuroshitsuji #ciel phantomhive #2ct #doll #undertaker #my analysis #sebastian michaelis #I doubt we’ll hear Finny tell Oliver that he can fight better because he’s the original experiment or whatever #but hey who knows #kuro206 #kuroshitsuji theory

[abybweisse]

Hi there! I recently finished reading the Black Butler manga for the first time and I’m completely blown away!!! One thing I’m curious about and would like to know from a long-time manga reader: When did people start to seriously theorize that Ciel had a brother? I binge read the manga in less than a week and all of the foreshadowing/clues went completely over my head, so I would love to find out what made people start to get suspicious and what kind of theories started to pour in! 👀

Wow, that's a lot of reading in less than a week! I would have missed a bunch of little details, too, if I had tried that! 😯

When did 2CT start?

Well, I didn't join the fandom until sometime in 2015, and some people were already talking about various hints that there was probably a twin brother. @kurotwins and @akumadeenglish who are both not active here anymore (at least not on those blogs) we're talking about it, as well as some others I'm not as sure about. Apparently, the Japanese chunk of the fandom didn't really debate there being a twin; it was sort of accepted very early-on. It might be a matter of translation issues, like "sons" translated to "son", etc.

Anyway, I recall reading a bunch of their posts, and then I started paying more attention to a scene in ch1. Chlaus shows up with the packaging for a game called "Mouse3" by "Ninkyodo". Well, that's a parody of Mother3 by Nintendo, which was released in Japan on April 20, 2006. Unlike the previous two versions of the game, Mother3 never got localized as part of the EarthBound series. Which is why Chlaus tells our earl the "game" was so difficult to find in Italy. Of course, that packaging contains the drug evidence that our earl needed to show Scotland Yard. To put Azzurro Vanel (and potentially the Ferro family) away.

The irises are used in both Victorian flower language and Japanese flower language to mean a few different things, but one meaning they share in common is something along the lines of "I have a message for you." Well, that message is the game packaging shown on the very next page.

Mother3 is about mirror twin boys who deal with tragedy soon after their birthday (9th or 10th). Their mother is killed by a monster, and their father is so distraught about her death that he goes into a rage and end up in jail for a while. Soon after the dad gets out of (escapes from) jail, he finds out the older mirror twin had gone off by himself to kill the monster, but now he has gone missing. Everyone is searching, but no body has been found. However, the player of the game can see Claus' broken body at the bottom of a cliff. It's understood that he's dead. The main characters still don't know, though. Not for another three, almost four, years. After losing his wife and being unable to find his older son, the father becomes kind of useless. Notice that the guy in Kuroshitsuji is Chlaus, and the older twin in Mother3 is Claus.

Three years later, Lucas (younger mirror twin) is about 13 years old, and he sets off on his own quest for revenge, along with the loyal family dog, Boney. The rest of the game takes place during this one year, then it ends just before his next birthday. The last thing Lucas has to do before he can "win" is defeat his own older twin brother, who had died, been turned into a Fascinating Chimera, and had been pitted against him.

So, I started coming up with my Mother3 theory for Kuroshitsuji back in December 2015. Back then, I was already theorizing that not only is there a twin brother, but he's a mirror twin. The missing twin is older, dead, reanimated, and will pop up again as an adversary.

Soooo, idk how long some version or other of 2CT has been around, but a very specific version of it came to me (and became very serious to me) in December 2015. And it's canon now: mirror twin brothers; one lives while the other dies; the dead one is reanimated; they end up having to confront each other.

Even Sebastian gets to parallel the roles of both the loyal family dog, Boney (under contract) and the Dark Dragon who must be given your "heart" to follow your will (as the demon who demands a soul as payment).

That's why I'm so into my Mother3 theory, which started out kind of small and grew and grew... because the similarities don't stop there. Not even close. Numerous characters and plot lines have strong parallels to Mother3 characters and plot lines, while a few are better paralleled in Mother and Mother2. The timelines are essentially the same between Kuroshitsuji and Mother3, too.

Maybe check out my "Why I theorize" post and my "Masterpost 1" for more on that, to get more into it. There are several masterposts and addendums, plus a few more masterposts on the way... eventually. When I first started posting about it, I didn't expect it to be such a big finding, but here I am, still talking about it! 😆

#black butler #kuroshitsuji #2ct #mirror twins #mother3 #lucas #claus #chlaus #boney #sebastian michaelis #earl phantomhive #our earl #ciel phantomhive #real ciel #bizarre doll ciel #anon asks #i answer #answered asks #mar 1 2023

[cieloisqueen]

uhhhh i saw this picture of two twin babies and i couldnt help myself (click/tap for better quality)

#ciel Phantomhive #astre phantomhive #2ct #2ct theory #twin ciel #kuroshitsuji #shitpost #cieloisqueen’s memes

[cielislost]

Kuroshitsuji, Leaked photos of Chap 143.

Lau will show up in the manor to place some bets. Things are about to get lit 💥

#kuroshitsuji #sebastian michaelis #black butler #memes #blackbutler #2ct theory #protecc him #protecc the smol beans #lau #ranmao #bored asf #chap142 #spoilers #for everyone asking where is lau #ciel phantomhive #kuroshitpost #real!ciel #lau and ranmao #real ciel #earl phantomhive #chap 142 #i love this twins #anyone looking for lau?

[laughingundertaker]

Reminder~

Undertaker here wants to remind all of yall to tag your spoilers, as many people are still not caught up and wish to keep this hidden from their sight!

This has been a Kuro PSA, thank you~ <3

#kuroshitsuji #black butler #kuroshitsuji II #Kuroshitsuji OVA #yana toboso #ciel phantomhive #sebastian michaelis #undertaker #Grell Sutcliffe #othello #kuro spoilers #Kuro chapters #kuroshitsuji manga #Chapter 141 #Kuroshitsuji 141 #sebastian michealis #2ct #2ct theory

[lady-beatorichee]

@ciel-phantomhive-bocchan

Eternal mood.

#Kuroshitsuji #Elizabeth Midford #Ciel Phantomhive #2ct theory #sebatian michaelis #o!ciel #r!ciel #black butler