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franklespine · 6 months
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They really didn't do enough with the sam seeing visions and thinking that they're from God, when really they're from Lucifer plotline in s11, because holy crap that was good. There is something that is just so devastatingly fascinating about sam, desperate to believe in a force greater than himself, and for that force of divine intervention and purity to have chosen him. Then to have these visions show him his deepest and most central traumatic wound, to lead him back towards this suffering. Oh the TURMOIL.
Sam has always craved purity - he has always wanted desperately to belong, to be pure like everyone else. The little kid who thought he could never go on a holy quest because he wasn't clean enough, who went on to find out about the demon blood fed to him when he was an infant and thinking this is the puzzle piece he was missing - this is the answer to why he feels the way he does - he is impure and wretched on a biological level. He is filled with self-doubt in s1-2 as to his powers and what this means for him, clawing at faith (faith in Dean and their policy of saving people as much as faith in a religious sense) to feel stabalised. He is frustrated and angry in s4 at this demon blood in him, the fact that there is something innately evil in him that he can never 'rip out' or 'scrub clean'. Then by the time s8 rolls around he LEAPS at the chance to purify himself. Yeah, cause that's healthy. All of this is to say that when sam gets his first vision after praying in the hospital chapel, he wants so desperately to believe that it is God who has looked down on him and thought him worthy. That, for once, the divine have been the ones to put their faith in him, not the devil.
And then the reveal. It was never God. It was never something holy.
Evil has kept its claws in him since he was six months old and he will never be clean of it. It was the devil all along. This realisation is crushing and I will never get over Sam's face as he realises, wide eyed with shock and horror as a tears spills out of his eye. Devastating.
But yet the deep seeded horror of this plotline is so underexplored. Like, call me biased but I would have really stretched this idea out a few more episodes at LEAST. Place more emphasis on this moral conundrum between wanting to have faith and yet this faith asking you to do something no person should ever go through.
In fact, I loved the first few episodes of s11, they had me on the edge of my seat. The black veined virus thing?? Amazing - I want more. It would have been cool to have seen this be a continuous thing across the whole season. Like if the season slowly devolved into this kind of wrought post-apocalyptic thing. Ik that probably wouldn't work but I would have loved to see it. And creepy baby Amara and that exorcism stuff - so cool. Anyway, this post is kind of a mess, but I just loved how s11 started; the darker tone, the boys completely out of their depth, the idea of this biblical plague that makes people 'unclean, in the biblical sense' - super fun ideas. It's not that I didn't like where s11 ended up, but I just feel like at some point the tone completely changed and it just got a bit... goofy. I blame Lucifer, mainly (and chuck). Every scene with Lucifer and Sam I was pulling my hair out cause WHY IS SAM SO CALM?? This guy literally tortured him for centuries and had him so dreadfully freaked out at the start of the season and now its like yeah whatever. And it's not like I expected it to take centre stage or anything but in theory, the idea that the Winchester's bestest bestie Cas is possessed by Lucifer, who they actually now need to stop Amara should have been some crazy psycho horror shit. Sam should have been seeing Lucifer's mannerisms like second nature, thinking he's going crazy. Dean should be worried that Sam's is going off his rocker and yet also feeling something so fundamentally off with Cas. But they just didn't feel the need to delve into that whatsoever I guess.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I really loved the ideas, particularly surrounding Sam, that were going on at the start of s11. I think using this as a springboard would have been a really interesting exploration of character for him, and Dean too as he is forced to confront how Sam's relationship with faith and purity differs from his own, and then ultimately a revaluation of the way he sees him. I mean, he wasn't exactly supportive once he found out Sam having demon blood had some side effects. Even when he didn't know about Sam drinking demon blood or Ruby, even when Sam was truly just saving people he called him a monster, told him that if he didn't know him, he's want to hunt him. Crazy times.
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mariaalrox-blog · 1 year
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SWANFIRE MONTH 2022
Day 30: What would your idea be of a perfect happy ending for them?
At the United Realms, Emma, Neal and their daughter would live near the beach and obviously near all their family and friends. They would be a lot of time with his family, with Lucy (they still don't believe how grown up is Henry and they have a granddaughter! xd), with Gideon (Neal and he would be so close) ...
I love to imagine Avery (their daughter) and Lucy playing and going out with other children of other realms. (I always like to imagine United Realms similar to Auradon, even as the Charmings would live on the farm, their castle could be transformed into a school for all the children because the Storybrooke school is small for all.)
I know that Neal and Gideon still would be happy even if Rumple and Belle were dead following the canon of s7. Because I love their end. I love how they finally managed to live their life together and happily, traveling, and how they meet again after the death. It's not sad for me, it's so beautiful. And Neal and Gideon would be sad about their deaths, obviously, but also, happy for them.
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But it wouldn't be a happy ending, it would be a happy beginning.
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fixinglitg · 6 months
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May I offer some constructive criticism? Your bisexual girls fix it arc feels very alienating. I downloaded Love Island because I have been told that sapphic players aren't forced to romance the male characters.
"You just looked so infatuated. With him. The way you looked. How you smiled. It felt different to how you looked at everyone else. How you looked at me." You are clearly writing this from the point of view of a main character who was already forced into an explicitly romantic relationship with a male character. I think the female love interests should give us an out of the male routes.
Your idea is similar to what the writers did in season 6. The Casa was a chance for us to deepen our connection with female LIs and to get to know them. Instead, the female LIs focused their attention on the Casa boys so they could give MC a chance to spend time with the boys herself. I felt like none of the female LIs was invested in MC. They didn't think that their relationship with MC was worth fighting for and they kept their options open. It was so hurtful. I had no interest in the boys. I had to skip a date after dare while waiting for the female LI to look in MC's direction. I kept waiting for the female LI to steal a kiss or to ask MC out on secret date. All other players could get to spend time with their LIs, and I had to watch as the girl that I liked picked shared special moments with another person. All other players had multiple love interests to pick from, and they could enjoy the boys' attention. I wasn't allowed to couple up with the girl that I liked in the girl's choice recoupling.
I'd assume that sapphic players either wouldn't feel like switching once they have built such an intense bond with a male character or they wouldn't want to be forced into a relationship with a male character to begin with.
It doesn't seem fair to take away the only opportunity that we have to develop a romantic relationship with the girls that we are into. I wouldn't want to feel like none of the sapphic female characters are interested in the MC. You're writing this fix-it arc with the presumption that all sapphic players would prefer the male characters. I apologize, but I don't think that's accurate.
I actually really like this ask. Well, it's less of an ask and more of a full on statement but I love it.
Okay, firstly, who the fuck actually told you that sapphic players weren't forced into male relationships? Because they lied so hard from my experience. I can't remember when Talia became an option in S1, Marisol and Elisa aren't an option until around day 20 or so, I can't remember either, S3 and S4 are the only ones where it doesn't feel too horrible with Aj for S3 being an option on I think day 3? And Najuma being an option early game too in S4. S5, forget it. Dana is a horrible LI. And I'm pretty sure Lulu and Gabi aren't until the last recoupling, and the same can be said about S7 with Bella, Chloe and Flo.
So, yeah, wlw routes are the biggest pain ever for us players who want to experience one.
So first things first, fr this time, and this is my fault, but the quoted part is actually from the female love Interest. I don't know if you've read that wrong, or if I've just done a terrible job at saying who's saying that, OR if you actually know that already and I'm just really stupid, but the "you are clearly writing this from the point of view of a main character who was already forced into an explicitly romantic relationship with a male character." SO yeah, apologies if I have that wrong. But, also, please don't state the fact that I clearly meant something when it's more or less up to interpretation for anyone reading.
The way I see it, it's more the female LI thinking she doesn't really have a chance with MC, like you've stated with S6, but instead of her doing nothing about it, she actually approaches the MC and explains to her the reasoning as to why she's only just approached now.
That's always why this would be a mid season scene so that they've had enough time to get to know each other and actually form something meaningful etc etc.
Now I PERSONALLY don't like really pushy characters. Especially love interests. So when, during something like S6 where Elliot says how we might change our mind even if we've stated that our heart is elsewhere. So I wanted this to not feel like that by basically turning the LI into a Bonnie. So it's not that they don't think the relationship is worth fighting for, it's just that there's a difference between fighting and insufferable. And I wouldn't want the LI to come across as insufferable.
Now the next thing was the secret dates and kisses part. And whilst I do think that's a cool idea, and technically could be added, the post was specifically friends to lovers as well. I'm sorry if I should've stated that in the title, but that's just my favourite trope and I think it works well for wlw. But back to the secret part, though we technically got that in S2 with Gary if you go after him, I just find it a little uncomfortable. It feels a bit cheaty in a way, and I really, and I mean REALLY despise cheaters. And I mean especially if MC's partner likes her and she goes behind their back, it feels wrong. I think some secret flirtation would be borderline okay, but something more? Nope. The date part could technically be hidden with LI saying they just wanna hangout and class it as a date to themselves, but I wouldn't want that.
Now the wouldn't want to switch, or don't want to be in a forced relationship with a man. Totally respectable, but I think I'd add in an option to be a friendship couple only. Additional dialogue to say "oh, by the way, I'm not really feeling this but I like you as a person, so can we just be friends?" and that solves one issue. And the whole "wouldn't want to switch" that's why we have multiple playthroughs.
In Season 4, I literally had to wait until the very end to get with Angie. I had a good relationship with James, and I actually really liked him, but I said "hell no, Angie's worth it" so maybe I just don't have that issue of being too attached to male characters when I'm trying to do a wlw route.
And for the final part, I just wanna add that that was only ONE female character as a potential LI. If I were making this game, I'd add around four to five, and have multiple of them in the villa at the same time. The friends to lovers route at the start, maybe then day 6 bombshell who really wants MC because apparently people like that, then some before casa amor, and then one during casa or after.
There are so many personalities you can give these women to fit everyone's preferences. And I was just stating mine and how I would fix them. So, in reality, by day 6ish, if this were the case, you'd have at least one female LI that's explicitly stated to show interest in MC. And then OG female LI can start showing it a little more now that she's worried about losing MCs interest if that's what you wanna believe.
See, there are so many possibilities with these, and I just happened to pick one. I'm actually going to write multiple of these for each different kind of female LI I'd want.
And finally, I can't lie, I have no fucking idea where you came up with the part of "all sapphic players would prefer the male characters." If it's from the quote you used in your ask, which again I'll just say that that was the Female LI talking, then I still don't understand.
That part was meant to imply that the LI THINKS you like/love a different person, and the gender stated is male for simplicity since most of the time you are coupled up with a guy and I had only just started thinking about how I'd want these wlw routes to be like.
She THINKS that you would prefer him when in reality you can just be like "Oh, no, LI, I like you." Or smth like that, I didn't really have the time to come up with a response for that.
Hope that cleared up some things. I just wanna remind you that you are free to have your own opinion and stuff, just as I am, so if you disagree with how I'd like one of the wlw routes then that's a-okay. Thanks for the ask though
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myst1calx · 1 year
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unironically i kinda hate how sonic feels and acts in newer media (specifically prime and a bit of idw)
rant/tangent time wooo
note: might be a bit unorganized due to this being on my old azz galaxy s7 edge lol
alright. So i just finished reading the idw sonic comics allll the way up to the the most recent side comic, Scrapnik Island #4.
So like, while reading the main idw comic i kinda felt like.. sonic was just kinda a dick near the end for no reason??? Like yeah hes mostly fine in the beginning but once we get to the point where people put these high expectations on him and hes basically under a lot of pressure (which i understand) but i feel like the way they are characterizing him is just :
"haha sonic doesnt care and acts on inpulse like a dick and doesnt recognize the shit hes done and is basically a little shit lmao he also is just kinda and idiot and seems to forget things on the basis of when it most convient for him !!!"
i didnt really feel much of it in idw until the later chapters, but it started to get prevalent when i was reading these in between me watching Sonic Boom. (The Show, which is my favorite outside of AOSTH.)
Now personally, i think Sonic Boom's charactasation of Sonic is probably the best one we have had in a long while. Although its a comedy, i like how sonic is aware of what's going on and takes into account what his friends are suggesting.
Like the episode where he does something that affects a citizen of the town, (minds going blank on what the towns name is lmao) and when his friends (and the other villagers) let him join the whole "talk about our feelings" club thing,
at first, he opposes the idea of apologizing saying that calling people "people" isnt bad, (ik this was played for jokes it still supports my argument.) they encourage him to recognize that what he did was wrong,, and they tell him to go apologize, and he does, albeit with a bit of "ok fine i admit it pls go away" but atleast he doesnt outright deny it or seem stupid for trying to do so and failing.
Thats my issue with prime, sonic just seems like an oblivious idiot who doesnt recogize how to read the damn room and listen to his friends when it matters most. He acts like a tiny child, which doesnt make sense to me, because hes been through adventures and times similar to this and for most of the newer media they dont wanna recognize sonics shortcomings and upbringings as a character at all??????? Like i think frontiers got it right with the story, and sonic who understood what was going on and stopped every once in a while to smell the roses and help his friends!
But in newer media outside of frontiers, it seems like sonic doesnt know how to smell the fucking roses every once in a while and stop thinking on impulse, like they are making him seem like he only acts on impulse, all the damn time, with no regards of what was or is being said to him or even taking it into account???
Like yes, we fucking get it sonic can sometimes act on impulse when hes in a stressful situation thats what makes him seem real, makes him seem human.
But, when you make him into this douche canoe who acts on inpulse all the time, disregards his friends when it matters most, and casually dissapoints them when ever he feels like it, or when it benefits him (cough cough the picnic scene in prime), i dont think most people would want him to have a good time, which im sure is the reason why most people, including myself, thought sonic deserved that punch from shadow. (who is great in prime btw, was okay in boom too but needed more time to flesh him out outside of 3 eps hes supper immature and i love him lmao) He's a dick. And i dont like him.
So, i hope to god they rewrite sonics character in prime s2 because he was unrionically just a giant fuckin dick instead of a snarky but caring 'anti hero' (like in boom) and that makes me really mad grahhhh
[also side tangent i dont hate prime (lemme make this clear) this whole sonic rant was just me nitpicking how sonic is currently in media outside of frontiers
ALSO ALSO SIDE TANGENT 2 HOW DID THEY FUCK UP SONIC SO BAD BUT GOT SHADOW ALL GOOD AND SHIT????? WHATT???? BRO THEY ARE POLAR OPPOSITE CIRCLE GRAPHS WHICH OVERLAP THEY ARE NOT THAT HARD TO MAKE SOBS INTENTLY]
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joanna-lannister · 2 years
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I’m sure u get this a lot but I’m new so I have to ask: why do you ship Jaime and Cersei??? Absolutely no shame people are allowed to enjoy anything as long as it doesn’t hurt others. Just genuinely curious as to why!!
No worries! Actually, I don't have that question that much or at least, less than I had back in the days and most of the time it was haters 💀 I know I had an ask similar to yours once that I replied but it's been years now and I can't find it anymore. Anyway, I ship Jaime and Cersei because they fulfill most of my favorite tropes.
Forbidden Love: Well, their love is forbidden for obvious reason (tho I think it's unfair for them when the T*args did it for centuries but that's part of the point of the story) and I'm such a sucker for this trope. This is basically my favorite trope ever. I grew up loving Romeo and Juliet, this is their main trope, so it made sense JC would end up being one of my ships one way or another, and that's probably why I have a few other incest ships like Jonsa and Cesare & Lucrezia 😂
Secret Relationship: Goes in pair with forbidden love tbh. They have to keep their relationship secret because it's dangerous and that's the thrill of it.
Long Term Relationship: Oh God, that's another trope I love to death and Jaime and Cersei fit it perfectly, from birth to death. I love seeing my ship being actually together, you know. I prefer that over pinning tbh and I love seeing them on the long run and I've got 8 seasons with them being together. (Well, except for the beginning of S8 but whatever 🤪)
Domestic: God, we don't have it enough in the show but the little we had was so good; Jaime hanging in Cersei's room (6x06, they had dinner together!, or 7x03), waking up together, pregnancy announcement... Making plans to keep the throne too tho lmao Anyway, I'm a sucker for domestic bliss and all things of that kind and damn, S7 served me so well.
I probably have a few more tropes I love and that fit them but that's the ones at the top of my mind right now and my faves.
And then, I'd add we have some carefully crafted parellels (I've made a few gifsets about it), subtexts, and small details like Cersei being worried about him. Their story is just so perfectly done and compelling imo, I can't express how much I love it. And they are a big part on why the story as a whole started. I also love the fact they can be passionate though, they can be soft and tender as well, like we can see in 8x05.
And last but not least but, no ship has inspired me as much as they do. I always have a gifset or a fic idea running in my head, probably because they fit my fave tropes and it's so interesting to work with them.
I hope this answer give you some clues on why I love and ship them because honestly I could spend hours talking about JC 😂 and be just 🥰❤️🥰❤️🥰❤️
Have a nice day! 💖
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variousqueerthings · 1 year
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Heyyy bestie guess who...
I think your point about love interests is so right, there's less of a focus on how they interact because they're just friends in the later seasons, theres no winning over a nurse moment because they don't need to be won. Also I miss ginger :(
I like your idea about the names and faces mixing too, it plays into the idea of time blurring so three years plays out over 11 seasons.
His fear(?) that he's seen and done too much over his time there is also so interesting, he doesn't feel like he deserves love or affection almost. I mean this in an aro or non aro way too, im even thinking that it would be really interesting if Hawkeye realised his views and feelings about romance and romantic love while in Korea and it took a long time for him to realise that it wasnt something that the war did to him, that it was just a natural part of who he always was.
Also heres where i admit that I stopped watching around season 8 i think(?) because, as you said, of the way the show seemed to constantly punish Hawkeye and how the support he'd had from the beginning has been draining away. (with the exception of Margaret, but one person can't hold him together when he's trying to hold everyone else) I do plan on finishing but i just got away from a similar problem and I don't want to watch it happen when I haven't talked it out properly first lol.
Also all of his lighter moments in the later seasons, especially the ones you mentioned, lack the sort of catharsis he really needs. They're all still about what he does for others, i cant speak on it until i watch them of course bit there seems to be much less gestures and acts of kindness for him.
Okay last points! I really feel like its too late to start censoring fuck my dude, that ship has sailed. I plan on saying more about your last response but its such a beast that im leaving it for my train ride tomorrow where I'll hopefully be able to put it together<3
-majoranon
I hope your train ride is good!
I am personally a glutton for pain (yes I'll leave that phrasing as it is), so I don't mind seeing him upset and worn down 😈
but I definitely feel like he's not given so much softness -- and the turning point was around season 8 I think, because I literally documented Moments between him and BJ and Margaret in s7 (+ season 8 was when Radar left and Period of Adjustment happened and Preventative Medicine was near the end of s7....), and I guess it's because he's increasingly Keeper Of Narrative Themes (vs other characters who carry mainly themes related to themselves and their personal journeys), which puts him in a slightly disconnected space -- the Narrator, Mad Max, Puck, (my flatmate was like "Horatio is also depressed and gay and tells the narrative" and they're not wrong) etc.... so even when he's having fun with the others, or having a moment where he's been relinquished for a second from Narrative Themes to be in the ensemble it feels to me watching like he's on a leash (no I won't change that phrasing either) -- he's still in the prison of the story, it's just giving him a bit of enrichment here and there, but less and less as we careen towards The End
also about aromanticism (forgive me if you already know + you know... things Many Queer People Feel For Similar Reasons) is that it's framed as brokenness by wider society. Romantic Love is the highest form of connection between people and so not being drawn towards this idea is an indication of something being wrong with you and a lot of aro people internalise that
and so the idea that Hawkeye can't disconnect his "incorrect feelings" from war trauma + his thematic role in the Story in which he's being increasingly separated narratively from the others... *charlie day meme*
all of this to say, yeah yeah "communal sub sounds sexual and also that," but mainly I think if someone cradled the back of his head while they gave him a really big hug (kinda like in s7 "Ain't Love Grand"), it might break me (and also him) and that I will on my rewatch document when we've had a moment like in "Peace On Us" where for a second Hawkeye is protected from the violence of the role he plays by the whole camp throwing him a party
(also that Stars and Stripes + Bottle Fatigue + Heal Thyself + Dreams were s8 and I don't know what I'm trying to say there but it certainly makes me stare at a wall)
(also this isn't to say that other characters aren't also occasionally doing their turn as Keepers of Themes or even that Hawkeye-centric episodes tend to be that, so much as when there's ensemble work happening he's increasingly given the War Is Hell perspective)
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lucky-charming-cat · 3 years
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Are we getting a reveal this season?
Possible. And here's why
1. This was explained multiple times by multiple people, so I'll keep it short - the whole secrets theme of season 4. A damn reveal to Alya in episode 3 - it all screams preparing ground for a BIG secret reveal in the finale. But you probably already know that.
Now here's the interesting stuff
2. Seasons 6&7 were confirmed after s4 and s5 were already written. Which means the plot for s4&5 was planned out before they knew there'd be a s7.
Now, from the beginning the show creators have been building up this idea of a superhero team. It's an amazing money maker - so much merch! So many possibilities!
But it hasn't happened yet. It's slooooowly starting - with Alya getting her miraculous permanently - but it's not gonna happen at least until the s4 finale. Which means it's basically not happening in season 4. But a proper superhero team (not something one time like Miracle Queen) is bound to happen eventually.
And season 5 is the perfect moment to develop this idea. The possibly (well, not anymore) final season - rich, colorful, with multiple characters, new adventures, new challenges. A new era, you might wanna say. And what's better to end the old era, to have a fresh beginning (making it easier to attract new viewers - may I remind you that the original target audience will not really be as much of a target audience when s5 airs) than the Big Event everyone's been waiting for. They need a new generation of viewers, and for that to happen, they need to close a chapter of this four-seasons-long arc.
Twilight Sparkle stopped writing letters about friendship lessons to Princess Celestia at some point. A new era in the show started. Then Starlight Glimmer came, and another new era started.
Kids won't be kids forever, kids' shows need to change and adapt to still entertain an audience that doesn't necessarily know the first few seasons.
It was always supposed to be like this, only now they have s6 and s7 to continue s5's path.
tl;dr It's profitable for the creators to make s5 something new and different than the previous ones, and since it was kind of a final season before, it makes sense to close the first chapter in season 4.
(it also generally gives a great opportunity to continue the show without it getting bad)
3. The Awakening Movie.
You know what would suck?
Having the reveal in the movie happen literally YEARS before it happened in the actual show. A marketing disaster.
It would completely change the dynamic, change the speculations, make people care less about the show because "it's probably gonna be similar". The Big Unknown is an obvious priceless viewer bait.
Now, the movie was revealed in 2018. And it's supposed to cover the plot of the whole show until season 5.
S4 was originally supposed to premiere in Autumn 2020, but, of course, 👑 happened, which is why we're currently in the middle of release chaos.
The movie was planned for "late 2021-early 2022". Season 5 is currently planned for Summer 2022.
If you do the math with Miraculous release dates from seasons 2 and 3 (ah yes, the golden days of the big hiatus)... Suppose S4 would premiere in Autumn 2020 (remember, it's 26 episodes that need to air, and it's not like they air every week), as it was originally planned.
Would they really be able to deliver the whole of season 5 before the movie?
No. At least I don't think so. It would maybe start airing, but we wouldn't reach the finale.
Adding that to my second point, The Big Thing needs to happen in season 4, so that the movie doesn't spoil it for us.
NOW. Separately, all of my points would just be interesting observations. But combining that with the whole secrets theme...
It's happening, guys.
I just hope the release order won't screw it up.
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geraltcirilla · 4 years
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I've seen quite a few people who just seem utterly confused or misinformed by what happened in Endgame and how it affected Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD. So I'm going to try my best to clear the air.
Note: I’ve edited this a couple of times as people provide more information from the movies and BTS that add additional context and a clearer timeline.
Endgame
Endgame revealed Steve went back in time to marry Peggy. He has been her husband this whole time, and the father of her children. The Marvel confirmed this happened in the MAIN timeline, there is no separate timeline that was created because of his actions. Peggy always married Steve. Don't ask me how that affects the rest of the Avengers movies and if an Old Steve had been lurking around this whole time. I don't think Marvel even knows for certain. (There is a theory going around that since Steve already lived all the events in the Avengers and Captain America movies he was simply avoiding running into his younger self.)
Sharon Carter
How does this affect Steve x Sharon? Sharon Carter is Peggy's great-niece, meaning she is the daughter of Peggy's brother's son and NOT related to Steve by blood. I don't think she would have kissed Steve if she knew he married her great aunt, so it's likely when Steve returned to the 1940s he did not reveal his return and assumed a different identity. But this revelation still does make her kiss with Steve pretty gross.
Agent Carter
How does that impact the end of Agent Carter?
Steve went back in time AFTER the events of Agent Carter, so everything that happened in that show is still canon. Agents of SHIELD S7 confirmed Sousa was Peggy's partner in the SSR and helped her form SHIELD, he was one of the original high ranking officers of SHIELD, he was Chief Officer of the Western Region of SHIELD, and he was the first casualty of SHIELD (and therefore the first name put on the Wall of Valor). Sousa is considered a "legend" in SHIELD history.
We do not know what happened with Peggy and Sousa's relationship, but we do know by 1955 (the events of Agents of SHIELD S7) he and Peggy have broken up and are no longer work partners.
The Timeline Breakdown
So Steve "dies" in 1945 in CA:TFA.
Agent Carter season 1 begins in 1946, where Peggy and Sousa first meet as agents at the Eastern Division of the SSR.
Agent Carter season 2 ends in 1947 with Sousa and Peggy starting a relationship, and Sousa Chief of the Western Division of the SSR.
The shooting script for Endgame states the year Steve goes back to is 1949. 
In CA:TWS we see a Smithsonian interview with Peggy that takes place in 1953, and in it she states she is married.
In 1955 Sousa and Coulson have a conversation about how neither have ever been married.
You can easily deduce here that the husband Peggy references in the Smithsonian interview is Steve, not Sousa. At best Sousa and Peggy dated for two years.
Peggy & Sousa
So what happened between Peggy and Sousa?
We know the end of Agent Carter showed the potential for the beginning of a relationship. But neither Endgame nor Agents of SHIELD has outright said what happened. However, Agents of SHIELD has the benefit of actually having Daniel Sousa as a character now. He was taken by Coulson's SHIELD team right before he died and his death was staged. So according to history he died in 1955, but he's actually alive and traveling through time with the team. And with that, we are being fed breadcrumbs about him, his life, and his relationship with Peggy. Now once again nothing has been explicitly stated but we have been given a lot to infer with.
So let me get to the meat of it: I reject the notion that Sousa broke up with Peggy. I think based off certain actions and things he said in AOS it's pretty clear he harbored some unresolved feelings for Peggy in 1955, which is more in line with the dumped person, rather than a dump-ee. When he thinks Peggy has come to visit his division he fixes his hair in a reflection. He seems nervous by her arrival. He briefly mentions liking a certain type of person who fits Peggy's description, and talks about people he wanted to say goodbye to or see one last time (these vague statements were confirmed by the AOS writers to be about Peggy). I just think if he was the one to have ended things he'd be reflecting on it a bit differently.
And if you look back at Agent Carter, historically Sousa has consistently been the one more invested in their relationship than Peggy. In season 1 Sousa has a crush on Peggy, but Peggy is still hung up on Steve. At the end of the season Sousa actually asks Peggy out to dinner and she turns him down. In season 2 Sousa "runs away" to the Western Division of the SSR to escape Peggy and a broken heart. Peggy then has a romance with a man named Jason Wilkes. It's not until the end of season 2 when Peggy is finally open to the idea of pursuing a romance with Sousa, but it was a long road to get there and she wasn't always certain she wanted to. Keeping this in mind, it is more in-character and canon-compliant if Peggy left Sousa, NOT the other way around.
Now this is where y'all are going to hate me, but I think I have the facts on my side here so please don't come for my throat. If we are looking for a reason why Peggy would break up with Sousa, the answer is clear: Steve. The timelines match up. Steve returned to the past in 1949 right after the events of Agent Carter, meaning right after Peggy just started a relationship with Sousa.
Peggy wouldn't pursue a relationship with Sousa in season 1 of Agent Carter because she was hung-up on the memory of Steve. If Steve returned, alive, for her, three to four years after his "death", do you really believe Peggy would turn him down for Sousa? Sousa, who she only knew for three years and had only been dating for about ~2 years (if we are being generous)? There's no way. I'm sorry but it's not happening. It wouldn’t be in-character for Peggy. The Marvel universe had continuously built up Peggy and Steve to be that epic love that can’t be beat (both in the movies AND in the show Agent Carter), and as cute and Peggy and Sousa were, they were simply not comparable to what Peggy and Steve had. 
Now in 1955 when Sousa and Coulson are talking, Coulson says "There was someone. I couldn't stick around long enough to make it last," and Sousa said he had a similar story. Some people have taken this as an admission of guilt that the end of Peggysous was Sousa's fault, but I disagree. First, because Steve returned to the past after he died, as I stated previously he would have hid his identity and his return from everyone but Peggy to preserve the timeline. This is why Sharon didn't know Young Steve was her future great-uncle. So it is very possible Peggy didn't tell Sousa about Steve and Sousa doesn't know why the relationship ended, and by trying to justify and explain it to himself Sousa ended up placing the blame on his own actions or behavior in the relationship. Let's not forget when Coulson was talking about his "someone" (Melinda May) he didn't break up with her -- he died. So it's not like Coulson and Sousa were having a conversations about how they left anyone, they were having a conversation about how they felt the end of their relationships were their own faults.
So I think it is very, very fair to say Peggy and Sousa's relationship ended because she was still in love with Steve. And there's nothing wrong with that. No one is at fault. Sometimes relationships don't work out and it's okay. Believe it or not but there's no villains here.
Sousa and Peggy both got their happy endings, just not with each other. So there’s no bad blood. Everything worked out as it should.
Anyways! The only purpose of my post here is to clear the air, because I've read just about enough posts saying "...when Sousa broke up with Peggy..." and I really don't think that's true or fair to him. Nobody ever said Sousa broke up with Peggy, please leave my mans alone.
Edit: Also, as someone added in the replies to this post, right around the time Peggy and Sousa started their relationship Sousa was West Coast Chief of the SSR and Peggy was about to join Howard Stark and others to form SHIELD in New Jersey. This combo among Steve returning is the perfect storm for a breakup.
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Welcome Home
Hi! Here’s a The 100 alternate ending that I came up with. It’s not super detailed, this was more of me just getting my ideas down, but if anyone would be interested in reading more of this then I’d love to turn it into an actual fic. ALSO if anyone would be interested in me doing a full s7 rewrite let me know!! :)
Some quick notes:
Bellamy doesn’t die and instead gets an arc similar to Levitt’s
Neither Emori or Madi “die”
At the end I have them looking out over the water. I know the Anomaly opened up into the Wonkru bunker, but I wanted a scene of them dramatically staring off into a watery sunset; so let’s just ignore the logistics of that, ok?
I included Gabriel in this because personally I love Gabtavia and also I just didn’t want Gabriel to die, but he’s only mentioned once so you can interpret this however you want. If you liked O and Levitt ending up together, swap Gab with Levitt. It doesn’t really matter!
Ok here ya go:
The Final Test still happens. Clarke and co. reach Cadogan just as he is activating the Anomaly Stone and manage to kill him before he enters the test, but they are too late to stop the test from starting since it has already been opened. Clarke stands in front of the stone, the knowledge that she must now face the ultimate test of her humanity weighing on her chest. She starts to enter the stone, but Bellamy catches her arm and pulls her back. She whirls around to see him staring at her.
“Together,” he says, his voice low and determined.
Raven interjects, “I thought only one person can take the test. How do we know this ‘judge’ or whatever won’t crystallize both of you on the spot when they see there’s two of you?”.
Bellamy doesn’t take his eyes off of Clarke as he responds. “We don’t. If this is a test of humanity, there’s no one I’d trust more to take it than Clarke. I just think that... we started this together. If this is how it ends, then we should finish it together, too.” Clarke stares back at Bellamy.
“Together.” She whispers as she grabs his hand, and the two of them walk into the Anomaly together holding hands.
I haven’t worked out all the logistics of this part yet, but basically: The judge isn’t happy about the two of them taking the test together but eventually agrees since they are the head and the heart, two halves of a whole. They are the two sides of humanity- the logics and thinking, and the emotions and passion. The judge is much closer to granting them all Transcendence than they were in the show since seeing the interactions between Bellamy and Clarke and both of their explanations for things convinces the judge that humanity does have some pure aspects, but it still takes all of the same stuff happening with the war and fighting and Octavia’s speech to convince the judge that humans are worthy of being “saved”.
Instead of making humanity Transcend, the Judge ultimately allows them to continue living out their lives normally. No them becoming infertile, no end of the human race, the Judge makes an exception (yes, another exception. why not?) and lets them end the test without all being reduced to crystals OR transcending.
What’s left of humanity returns to Earth. The Bardoans, the Eligius prisoners, Wonkru, the people from Sanctum, etc- everyone returns to Earth. When they open the anomaly portal back to Earth, Octavia is the first through. We see her feet hit the ground, the scene paralleling the delinquent’s arrival on Earth in season 1. As she breathes in the air, a faded shot of s1ep1 Octavia doing the same flashes across the screen, lining up with Octavia’s movements now. Clarke and Bellamy are the next ones through. They step out on either side of Octavia. The screen flashes to ep 1 Clarke as Clarke looks around at the world, then the same happens for Bellamy. Octavia turns her head, looking to Clarke, who takes Octavia’s hand and smiles at her. Then she looks over to Bellamy. He reaches over and ruffles her hair, grinning. Octavia smiles faintly, and in a soft voice, so quiet it’s almost a whisper, she mutters,
“We’re back, bitches.”
A slow acoustic cover of Radioactive starts playing. The scene switches to slo-mo, and everyone else comes out of the anomaly, starting with all the main characters. Murphy and Emori step through holding hands, Raven is right behind them and wedges herself between the two of them, slinging her arms around their shoulders. The three of them run into Bellamy, Octavia, and Clarke, who turn around and begin laughing with them. Miller and Jackson come through next, then Gaia and Indra. Indra walks over to Octavia and claps her on the back. Madi runs out of the anomaly after her dog. Her friends from school are with her, and she smiles at them as the three of them chase after Picasso. Gabriel, Echo, Hope and Jordan come through after Madi and join the rest of the group. Bellamy glances at Echo, who has her arm around Hope’s waist, and a sort of mutual understanding passes between them. They smile at each other. Everyone else begins to stream out of the anomaly, all cheerful and hopeful. The people who have never seen Earth before- the Bardoans and people from Sanctum- stare in awe at the green world around them. The slo-mo ends as the camera cuts back to the main group, focusing on Clarke and Bellamy. Clarke is hugging Raven and laughing with her, and Bellamy is hugging Murphy. (Finally! A Murphamy hug!) As they break away from their respective embraces, Clarke and Bellamy find themselves standing face to face, very close to each other. The music swells as the two of them hug, Bellamy nearly lifting Clarke off of her feet as she buries her face in his neck. The framing of the scene parallels that of their very first hug back in 2x05. They break away from each other but are still standing very close.
“So... what do we do now, Princess?” Bellamy asks, his voice low as he gazes into Clarke’s eyes. Clarke pauses for a moment, then smiles, shrugging her shoulders slightly.
“Whatever the hell we want,” she says softly.
The two of them stare at each other for a moment. Then, in a sudden burst of movement, Bellamy kisses Clarke. Their lips meet and everything in the background slows down, blurring out. They wrap their arms around each other as they kiss. When they finally break away, they smile at each other, hope and love shining in their eyes. They’ve both waited for a century to do that.
“God, finally!” Octavia grins over at the two of them and everyone laughs. Clarke and Bellamy’s cheeks flush red, but Bellamy takes Clarke’s hand anyway. He rests his head on top of hers and they stare out at their planet as everything they’ve been working towards for the past 130 years falls into place. They’ll finally get the happy ending they deserve.
“Welcome home.” Bellamy mutters in Clarke’s ear. The ghost of a breeze ruffles their hair slightly.
The sun comes out from behind a cloud, basking the scene in golden light as Miller, Octavia, Murphy, and Raven join Bellamy and Clarke. The six of them stare out at the water, their faces content but also tinted with a slight sadness. They are all that remains of The 100.
The very first scene of the show fades in over top of the current scene, and we see Clarke drawing a picture of the Earth on her cell’s floor.
She says, “The ground. That’s the dream.”
Then, we cut back to current Clarke. It’s a close shot of her. Bellamy’s head rests on top of hers, and her face swells with happiness- real, pure happiness, something she hasn’t had in a long, long time.
1x01 Clarke’s voice continues talking over the shot of 7x16 Clarke.
“This is reality.”
We zoom in slightly on Clarke’s face. She smiles, then-
Cut to black.
The end.
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The Dax Debacle: Re-Imagining S7 of “Star Trek Deep Space Nine”
*This post came about after a few discussions with Lee @creativilee on how the stories of Jadzia and Ezri could have been adapted to better serve both of those characters and respect the work of both actresses! Thanks to them for all their help, encouragement, and serving as a springboard! Anything in italics is theirs!
For all of us DS9 fans, the finale season can be rather fraught for several reasons, many of the biggest revolving around the transition from Jadzia Dax to Ezri Dax, henceforth called “The Dax Debacle.” Many folks seem to love one and hate the other, which is a huge shame because both characters brought amazing potential and storylines to the table, but the writers really fumbled in some key aspects. This sure-to-be-long-winded meta is an attempt between myself and Lee to fix some of those fumbles and give both characters the storylines they deserved. So, let’s get to it!
First, a little behind-the scenes context.
Why Two Dax-es?
To begin with, it’s important to acknowledge that the Dax Debacle was largely unplanned, and the writing often reflects the ways in which Nicole de Boer was shoehorned in as Terry Ferrell’s replacement, just as the character of Ezri was deliberately put forward as Jadzia’s replacement as the next host of Dax. What happened?
It is widely believed, based on various interviews Terry gave during the show’s run, that the set of DS9 was inhospitable to her, placing her in situations of harassment and abuse. By the time of S7, due to this as well as the sheer grueling schedule of the show, she wanted to be moved from a permanent member of the cast into a reoccurring role like that of Andrew Robinson. When it proved fruitless to negotiate this, Terry decided to leave the show, though she explicitly stated she had not wanted Jadzia’s character to be killed on her departure.
Though the writers went through with the decision to kill Jadzia, they still wanted the character of Dax to remain on the crew, and due to the way Trill physiology was designed, they decided to do this with another host, similar to how Jadzia was initially seen as the continuation of Sisko’s old friend Curzon.
Enter Nicole de Boer as Ezri Dax, a young unjoined Trill who had never intended to be a host at all, and the story of her adjustment to carrying on the Dax legacy.
The Story’s Seed
It’s definitely worth noting that the initial conception of Ezri’s story, the young suddenly-joined Trill joined under trying circumstances who has to re-discover herself has a lot of potential! It could have been extremely poignant and moving, in something of the same vein as Seven of Nine rediscovering herself on “Voyager.” Unfortunately, the choices made regarding how she became the next Dax make it hard to appreciate Ezri on her own merits. Both we as the audience and the other characters are constantly seeing Jadzia in her place. It stymied who she was able to be as a character and how the audience was able to receive her. The way she was written invites constant comparisons, often to Ezri’s detriment in her initial interactions with the crew.
Lee said some things extremely well here: “Ezri as a character was hindered a lot by being made ‘Jadzia's replacement’ instead of ‘the next Dax,’ a Dax in her own right. While Jadzia definitely had Curzon's legacy to live with, it was absolutely not all she was, and she interacted with it as such, but Ezri wasn’t written with the same care. She isn't ‘Ezri Dax’ she's ‘Ezri, the one who replaced Jadzia.’ She was entirely written as a replacement, and it shows.”
Fumbles, Fumbles, Fumbles
Let’s review some things that went sideways in Ezri’s arc, so we can see it for the purposes of our rewrite.
The “I'm the new host of your dead friends symbiont" aspect is very difficult to watch. It’s hard to say if the writers wanted to lean into this aspect deliberately, but even if they did, I don’t think they ended up hitting the emotional notes they wanted to.
Ezri doesn’t seem to get much training from what we can tell, and being joined is a huge change! We learned from Jadzia’s arc that initiates often train for years. It’s wartime, but she still really did get thrown into the deep end!
The audience can’t approach Ezri on her own merits, but quite often, the crew isn’t doing that, either. There’s the caveat that they’re grieving and it’s an odd situation to be in, but! Sisko initially tries to interact with her in the same way he would Jadzia (calling her old man, which upsets her a great deal,) Julian flirts with her with the same intensity he did Jadzia in early seasons, Worf seems to only be seeing his dead wife any time he looks at her.
Ezri is given a role as ship’s counselor when she is in no way emotionally able to handle the psychological difficulties of others when she’s going through so much herself.
Her return to Deep Space 9 (the station) seems to contradict what we know about Trill culture. Joining is meant to give the symbiont as many life experiences as possible, and re-association (to various degrees) is anything from strongly discouraged to forbidden. Ezri goes right back to living Jadzia’s life in some ways, in the same place with the same people. Jadzia wasn’t able to resume her relationship with Lenara Khan, but Ezri finds herself being intimate with Jadzia’s widower.
Our alternatives and fixes for the arcs of Jadzia and Ezri fall into three broad categories, which we’ll break down here:
1. Ezri Not-Dax? (Ezri is still joined unexpectedly, but rather than the Dax symbiont, she is host to another symbiont which needed her.)
2. Where in the World is Jadzia Dax? (If Ezri isn’t a Dax, we have to figure out what to do with the Dax we know!)
3. The Legacy Question (The age-old Trill questions of new hosts, old hosts, and interpersonal relationships.)
Ezri Who? Ezri Not-Dax!
The best solution Lee and I were able to find was the idea that Ezri was joined under similar circumstances to canon, but not to Dax itself.
This is still largely workable for the story we want to tell, because, as Lee explains: “The Dax symbiont isn't key to her character, except to affect her relationships with the crew. Her main personal conflicts are about being joined before she was ready, not about being joined to Dax. She still would have worked without the Dax symbiont.”
For the sake of convenience, let’s call this hypothetical new symbiont Nal. So, Ezri Tigan —> Ezri Nal.
Where in the World is Jadzia Dax?
Theres 3 different paths we could take with Jadzia!
If Terry was made a reoccurring member of the cast, the writers could easily have put Jadzia into the position of being given a transfer assignment. Though Jadzia might initially struggle to accept this because of her loyalty to her friends, “with things picking up in wartime, it's believable that Starfleet would want the people more familiar with what dangers are on the other side of the wormhole to be spread around and maximize the number of ships and stations that are prepared for it. Maybe Jadzia acts as a representative and goes around giving lectures/debriefings on that stuff. This situation puts us in a position to get frequent updates about Jadzia, even if we don't see her again!"
If Terry did not stay on at all, Jadzia as a character could still have died, but the Dax symbiont finds a new host back on Trill, away from the station. Maybe we get updates about this Dax because Ezri trained with them for a bit, or the new Dax reaches out to Sisko from time to time, since he was well-acquainted with two previous Dax-es.
The option I like best for purely self-indulgent reasons would be if Terry stayed on for one more season and was present on the station when Ezri arrived, serving as a mentor to her.
The Legacy Question
Since the “TNG” days, Star Trek likes to experiment with Trill, and what happens in relationships between joined Trill and non-Trill, particularly in the case of a symbiont with a new host. We might assume this was part of the writer’s intent with the Dax Debacle, but it went over much better in the move from Curzon to Jadzia then it did in the move from Jadzia to Ezri.
Other options for exploring “the legacy question:”
“If they wanted to explore the whole ‘new host when the previous host was close to you’ thing, they could have had an episode that went into detail about Sisko meeting Jadzia for the first time after the death of Curzon.” Or, just having Sisko reflect more on the changes and developments in their relationship as time passes. They did this quite well initially when Jadzia first came aboard, but dropped it soon after the first season for the most part and left it to our amazing fic writers to pick it back up.
The character of Curzon is often used as a vehicle for explaining Jadzia’s connection to Klingon culture, but he also gives us access to a wealth of relationships which could be used to explore the legacy question. “Curzon had so many friends, and we see a variety of reactions from them, particularly with his Klingon friends. Some of them immediately fall back into that friendship, some of them struggle to recognize that Jadzia may not be Curzon, but she is still Dax, and has a lot of Curzon in her.” Keeping that thread going would have been intriguing also.
The Life of Ezri Nal
Here’s how some elements of Ezri’s story might look with the “Nal” symbiont.
Ezri is joined rather unprepared when a medical emergency puts the life of a symbiont at risk and the host is unable to be saved. For convenience, let’s call this symbiont Nal.
Ezri was always interested in Starfleet Service, especially in working as a counselor (which she studied on her own rather than gaining the knowledge through the memories of past hosts.) She assigned to the station by the Trill Symbiosis Commission largely because there are people there who will know how to help a newly-joined Trill; namely Sisko, Julian, and Jadzia.
Jadzia+ Ezri
Being the only other Trill on the station that we know about, Jadzia puts herself in a mentor role to Ezri, helping her adjust to her new life and consciousness. Her personality and experiences make her perfect for the job!
As a bonus, we get to see how the mentor and mentee relarionships between joined Trill and initiates work.
We also set up some fun parallels! Take Jadzia, who had to try so hard to be joined, and it was a huge goal in her life (to the point where she applied again to the Symbiosis Comission after being rejected once, which is played as something that basically never happens,) versus Ezri who was perfectly happy to be just herself and ended up taking on this responsibility without being ready and without feeling like she had much choice because of how Trill culture regards symbionts.
From the little we know about Jadzia before she was joined, she was somewhat like Ezri-bookish, shy, anxious-and she initially struggled to adjust to the likes of Curzon. But now, she’s gown so confident in who she is, for the most part, and she’d be the perfect person to guide Ezri and help her find joy in her new life.
But, she also understands having difficulties with aspects of being joined, for example, her conflict in whether she should rejoin with Lenara Khan, or how she struggled in the aftermath of the discovery of the cover-up regarding Joran.
In short, Jadzia helps keep Ezri as mentally and emotionally healthy as she can be.
Julian+Ezri
Being CMO, Julian helps look after Ezri and ensure she’s physically well; after all, it’s what he does best! “Having Julian as the Chief Medical Officer on board would be a big draw for the Trill. He's even performed a symbiont joining and removal procedure. He had to be very familiar with Trill biology, meaning a newly joined host would be relatively safe and well-cared-for on board. And, I’m sure that there's a big chemical change in Trill when the get joined, and adjusting to that would be hard!”
Julian can also sympathize having something done you didn’t want or weren’t ready for, and can help her process those feelings. “ They both have complicated relationships with their parents regarding their parents’ expectations and their own desires and feelings, which would be interesting!”
In some ways, Julian can serve as another mentor to Ezri. It would be an interesting shift to watch Julian, who is often portrayed as the the youngest or most “green” be able to mentor and guide someone else. “This is also a good way to show Julian has grown and matured, without having to have other characters just say it.”
If we still followed their romance route, having Ezri as Ezri Nal rather than Dax could have make the relationship between her and Julian sit a lot better with audiences. With a rewrite, Julian is not chasing the “ghost” of Jadzia; rather he’s meeting Ezri for the person she is, on her own terms. This also prevents a regression of his character back to the way he chased Jadzia in the early seasons, and instead honors the relationship of treasured friendship that Julian and Jadzia built.
Sisko+Ezri
As he is with many of his younger crew, Sisko takes naturally to the role of a mentor and father figure with Ezri, again meeting her for the person she is, on her own terms. He serves as a valuable guide to ship life and helps her get acquainted with station staff and residents.
Like with Jake, Sisko encourages Ezri to find herself by being her own person.
Ezri tries to take up cooking as a hobby with Sisko, but the experiences of past hosts mean her skills vary wildly depending on what they are making.
Other Relationships
Garak helps Ezri figure out how she wants to dress, often integrating different styles from past hosts. (He rather jumps at the chance.) Ezri still has her difficulties helping him as a counselor, but her additional training and the lack of complications from the Dax symbiont make things easier. They also get to know each other through Julian.
In this Ideal Timeline, Ziyal survives and meets Ezri. They relate well to each other, both of them not really knowing where they fit and grappling with someone else’s legacy, but they have each other for support. Ziyal has given her portraits as gifts.
She has a similar dynamic with Jake, who is trying to figure out how to honor his parents while being his own man. Ezri starts writing memoirs of sorts about her past lives on his suggestion.
Surprisingly, she gets on with Nog, too. They’re both doing things unexpected and feeling like they’re going to be the first in something big.
She isn’t especially close to Worf, but he assures her that the sacrifices she made for Nal are ones to be honored, and becomes rather fond of Ezri due to Jadzia’s influence.
Thanks for reading this super-long meta! Please tell Lee and I your thoughts on this rewrite!
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when I talk about buffy and spike and loving them together and loving their entire arc I feel like people think that means one ~~should~~ love them together or we’re “supposed” to want them together or that he was the objectively right match for her or even that he was healthy for her or in any way an objectively good person when it’s not any of those things actually like. he’s a murderer and a rapist (implied on many occasion that he’s raped in his past and attempted to rape Buffy on screen) and he’s the classic example of “my love for her turned me into a better man” a.k.a also Damon from vampire diaries and countless other “bad boy” male love interests. he’s not a good guy - I mean he tries, especially at the end of s7 and the fact that he saves the world or whatever.
but Buffy has saved the world 100 times and she’s still also a good person, along with Willow and Xander and whoever else. the reasons I love him and love them are numerous 1. him/their whole relationship represent the realities of complicated human relationships in terms of moral grays/desire vs. love, trauma and trauma processing, how we often don’t desire/love the people who are good for us on paper, how sometimes we fuck up and hurt other people when we’re hurting (Buffy using spike for sex after coming back from the dead and being numb/depressed), how that ISNT OKAY even though he’s a “bad guy” and “he wants to fuck her so what does it matter anyway he’s getting what he wants” - it isn’t okay because no matter how evil and depraved he is he loves her and obviously has hopes and expectations that go beyond what she can and wants to offer him and that isn’t who she is, and how in order to heal she needs to stop using him to cope (like a substance abuse metaphor almost), etc etc etc
Angel was so straightforward which fit the context of buffy’s teenage years and the vibe of the show in the early seasons in that the metaphors are straightforward, the allusions to common “teen” problems in the forms of supernatural evils and life/death situations (I.e representing the monumental impact of a 16yr old girl’s first sexual experience and the guy flips on her and how devastating it is + this first HS relationship ending painfully and creating the groundwork for how Buffy perceives love and relationships and whatnot. and that’s all well and good and important for buffys narrative and the narrative of the show but it just isn’t as interesting as Spike’s whole character his whole arc and their whole relationship from start to finish. and it’s not NEARLY as relatable to the 21 year old woman that I am as the concept of being so drawn to somebody toxic but as the story progresses it becomes harder to see them as simply “toxic” bc they’re a layered being is. there’s no ‘good to evil’ dramatic switch like Angel where it’s so clear when he’s good and soft vs a literal emotionless killing machine spike is just spike all the time and it’s complicated and interesting
Also reading my own post over again reminded me how similar Damon/Spike and Stefan/Angel are if u know tvd u know what I mean. like in TvD they have the whole humanity switch thing and Stefan is like night and day when is humanity is off v. on (regarding angel that’s whether he has a soul or not), whereas Damon seldom switches his humanity off (I can only remember the one short scene when he leaves Enzo in the burning building and also maybe with the whole siren thing which I hated), which would be Spike essentially being the same guy all the time whether he’s killing people or not (I suppose one could call the chip like the humanity switch but it also isn’t the same at all and I think in terms of allegorical representation it’s more akin to some type of representation of spike beginning to be “trapped” by his growing feelings for Buffy bc for that whole season he’s obsessed with her, convinced she’s equally obsessed with him, and he connects her+the chip even tho she had no idea where it come from at first either) ANYWAY the point is that Buffy is the blueprint and also that the consistent but slightly morally grayer and less pure is always the hotter and more interesting love interest.
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A Fitting Finale: Bringing Ian Full-Circle
Is everyone sick of my essays yet? Excellent. Here’s another anyway!
I’ve been trying to put my finger on what it is about Ian’s story in s11 that I love so much. It’s clear that he’s struggling on a number of levels, and he’s certainly spent the first third of the season under so much stress that it’s impacted his moods and marriage. In 11x04, we began to see hints of the tension breaking, and it made me realize that there’s a common trend in Ian’s behavior throughout the series coming to a head in his final act. It’s part of what has him so passionately advocating for Mickey to get a legal job, communicating their need to hammer out the specifics of what their marriage means, and upset at his own employment status.
From start to finish, Ian has been driven by two important motivators: love and fear.
Ian’s deep sense of love and compassion for others is well documented. We know that he will do anything for his family. I’ve mentioned before that Ian is at his best when he’s with them and his worst when he’s not. They’re his support system, and he’s a key part of theirs. They look after each other and rely on one another when the chips are down. They’re all grown up now, Liam being the exception, but those bonds are strong. They’ve matured and branched out to include Mickey, Tami, Franny, and Freddie. Ian’s heart belongs to his family, and he’s given as much of himself as he can to the people he’s been with over the years in whatever capacity they’ve needed him to.
Ian has also always been a fearful character, though not in the manner we typically visualize. He’s strong and motivated, ambitious and sensible, clever and insightful. When he decides that he wants something, he goes for it, from a South Side thug hovering in his orbit to pursuing the highest military accolades despite his small beginnings. Over and over again, we’ve seen him leap into serious and often strange situations in order to achieve his ends or something for the people he cares about. This man stole a water heater from a dead person’s house with his brother and tried to help his best friend hide a body. Certainly, he doesn’t fit the traditional stereotype. He’s not a coward.
But Ian is terrified—of everything:
·        Not amounting to anything
·        Not being worthy of love
·        Being the center of attention
·        Fading into the background and being forgotten
·        Not being able to help other people or those he loves
·        Not having a path
·        Not being in control of himself
·        Not being enough
He’s never said it. He’s never discussed these issues, except perhaps not having control. That isn’t who he is. That’s never been his way. Maybe we should add fear of communicating too, or fear of being seen as weak.
In s1, Ian makes a lot of brave choices. He comes out to three people, two of them family members, knowing how that is viewed in their neighborhood. When Mickey is after him, Ian takes the battle to his doorstep. He turns his back on an arguably easier life in a nice, middle-class neighborhood and a home with a father who would provide for him to live in the constant struggle to which he has grown accustomed. On the surface, he’s one put together kid. But then there’s Kash. There’s this man who preys on him, a middle child so responsible (and so male) that no one thinks he’d fall into any sort of trap—and Ian is desperate to keep him. He fights Lip over it and so painfully tries to make him understand his perspective, that he’s spending money he should probably be using for things he needs to buy Kash music and baseball tickets, to make him like what Ian does so that they can build their so-called relationship. That Kash is married with kids is unimportant to him; that he’s exploiting Ian’s fear of loneliness and not finding love outside his siblings, unthinkable. We know it. Lip sees it, powerless as he feels to do anything about it. Ian can’t. To date, he never will. He’s blinded by a culture that doesn’t believe such things can happen to males, and until Mickey comes along as a viable outlet for his affections and source of the ones he needs, he’s too afraid to be cautious.
Throughout s2 and s3, Ian makes difficult decisions. They’re not always smart, but it takes great strength to commit to the choices he makes: allowing Monica into his life, voicing even an ounce of his feelings to Mickey, pursuing West Point, and running away. All of them, however, are driven by love and fear alike. He’s vulnerable and needs his mother, the one who slaps Frank for shoving him and listens when he feels alone. She assuages his fears by telling him what he needs to hear: that he can do and be anything. We know there’s a danger in that, especially when she takes him to enlist when he’s nowhere near old enough, but it’s still validating for him. It feeds that need for attention but not too much attention, for understanding but not coddling, for love that originates from someone who isn’t his siblings. We see similar trends emerge: fear of losing Mickey on multiple occasions, fear that he’ll forever be in Lip’s shadow when he receives a letter of recommendation instead of Ian, and fear of never having Mickey’s full affections spiraling into fear of facing his own emotions in the aftermath of the wedding. We’ve seen that Ian runs from what he can’t process. He runs from what he can’t handle. He runs when he’s scared, especially of himself.
It continues repeatedly throughout the series. In s4, Ian is afraid of going backwards and once again losing his position in Mickey’s life. In s5, he’s afraid of being a burden on everyone around him, changing them, and losing control of his own mind. In s6, he’s afraid that this is it: his path and his goals have come to nothing, and he’s doomed to fall into the shadows where no one will ever see or love him. In s7, that fear of himself re-emerges when a patient is hurt on his watch and he has to come to terms with the fact that being better doesn’t mean he’s “cured.” In s8, he’s afraid of the void where Monica and Mickey used to be, and it sends him spiraling into a deeper one he doesn’t fear until it’s too late. In s9, he fears a lack of guidance, an indecisiveness born of having been able to rely on his hallucinations to tell him what to do. His path is gone, and he has no options. And that’s terrifying. Then Mickey is there, and he can put some of his fears to rest until they resurge with the idea of marriage in s10. All of a sudden, he’s back where he was in s5, fearing himself but also what he’ll do to someone he loves.
In s11, we’re seeing an Ian far more like he was in earlier seasons: rigidly devoted to having a plan, knowing what’s coming next, and ticking off certain boxes on the list of things you’re “supposed to do” as a married adult male. He’s spent a lot of this season seeking value in his employment and position in their marriage, and the stress has been dragging him down—quickly.
And it’s no wonder: he has every reason to be scared right now.
The thing about prison is that it is what’s known as a total institution. It is removed from society and, as such, operates under its own social beliefs, values, and norms. Like the military, another total institution, prison involves an initial period of sloughing off roles and identities from the greater society and subsequently being resocialized into a new role set. Upon release, a person undergoes the same process in reverse, and there’s an adjustment period to reintegrate into normal society. We can see that process begin when Ian gets in the car with Lip and shudders a bit, unsettled at the prospect of being outside these walls for the first time in months—going home far earlier than anticipated. For many people, it’s a difficult transformation, especially once they realize the full extent of how your life changes as an ex-convict in the U.S.
Ian doesn’t really get to adjust. From s8 to the start of s11, he undergoes a whirlwind of emotion and change. He literally loses touch with reality, starts a cult, commits a felony, is on the run from law enforcement, allows himself to be captured with one final display, goes to jail, remains unmedicated until he’s bailed out, panics at what his movement became, feels alone in the house as everyone deals with their own business and leaves him to his own devices, seeks guidance from above only to realize it wasn’t what he thought it was, can’t find answers, has warring factions telling him how to plead in court, ostensibly takes a plea deal that requires some amount of time behind bars, goes to prison, finds the love of his life there waiting for him, has to let his sister go, is released without Mickey, gets repeatedly screwed over by a corrupt PO, gets engaged, breaks up (sort of), gets engaged again, sees his wedding venue burned down, gets married, and hurtles straight into a pandemic. That’s… That’s a lot. Being a newlywed in a pandemic is a lot without all the rest of it, but this is what Ian is dealing with going into s11, and he hasn’t had the benefit of a stable readjustment and reintegration period.
He’s drowning.
He’s scared.
He has every reason to be. Marriage is scary, especially if you are so young and so in love with the person you’re marrying. Employment is scary, especially for them, because it could mean the difference between paying the utilities and running out of water. Change in general is scary, especially when it hasn’t done you any favors before.
Add all that to what Ian’s behavior has indicated that he’s been afraid of since the start, and you have a recipe for disaster.
To a great extent, that’s what I think his arc is all about this season: learning how to live again. It’s about not being so afraid of himself that he desperately grasps for any stereotypical structure for married life that he can. It’s about regaining the confidence that has always left him clawing his way to the top instead of letting life beat him down. It’s about finding the happy medium where he and Mickey aren’t doing anything illegal but aren’t stuck in a valueless spiral, scrambling and struggling to pay the bills like when they were kids.
It’s about learning not to be so afraid anymore, and I think that’s a beautiful goodbye for a beautiful character.
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truthsaved-a · 3 years
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i'm in between classes just watching bits and pieces of an episode in s11.  and i just.... cry at the progression in their relationship as partners to lovers and how they intertwine.   mulder struggled so hard with his selfish urges from the beginning and he began to work on them in his partnership with scully.   and in this particular episode,   scully says she needs time in church and asks if mulder would either meet up with her later or wait on her... and HE WAITS ON HER IN A PEW.   whereas when he was younger he abhorred the idea of religion and even stepping in a church.  it’s those kinds of things that really mark the transition from mulder in the first seasons up until about iwtb and then after iwtb to present.   don’t get me wrong... he was already making progress in the years before iwtb,  but that was a breaking point for him when he realized that he had to get his shit together for his sake as well as hers. 
s:  ‘ i need what you have.   you always bear north,   mulder.   no matter which way or how hard the wind blows against you. ’
m:  ‘ i think all I have  -  all any of us have,   are all the results of all the choices we've made.   and at the end of the day we just hope we've made the right ones. ’
which is so similar to this quote from all things in s7 that i literally want to scream : 
s:  ‘ what if there was only one choice and all the other ones were wrong?  and there were signs along the way to pay attention to. ’
m:  ‘ mmm.   and all the choices would then lead to this very moment.   one wrong turn,   and we wouldn't be sitting here together.  well,  that says a lot.  that says a lot, a lot, a lot. ’
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(1 of 3) Mittens, I know you're more of a 'what is on the show' than the 'what is around the show' but I was wondering if you had some more resources or information regarding something; i keep seeing here and there people talking about the show that Cas took on Anna's role (that Anna was supposed to become more important/the angelic guide/the love interest but because of the better chemistry the writers switched the roles around and "gave" cas what was to be Anna's role)
(2 of 3) That seems to be a common statement coming from a lot of fans/meta writers. I know I have parroted that as fact in my early days in the fandom as well. But when I actually went looking for actual sources for that theory, I came up empty. I find lots of people talking about it as given fact/gospel truth, but nothing for direct sources. It’s not in the Nicholas Knight season books, I haven’t seen any interviews or magazines that have TPTB talking about that.
(3 of 3) Admittedly I only got into the fandom in the s12/s13 time period, so missed so much of the early meta and interviews and things and it’s possible my Google-Fu has failed in finding where there is clearly sources for this. So, do you know if there is any veracity of this refrain that “Cas took the role they had originally planned for Anna’ theory? Thank you!
First off, HI! :D
Second, you’re correct. I think at this point it’s some awful game of telephone, that somewhere down the line there was a post detailing how the narrative actually handled it with a sort of tl;dr-- Anna was originally created to be a sort of “information key” for the Winchesters, a guide to open up their understanding of Angels via one that had also experienced humanity first hand, you know? But instead of giving her that role, THEY ALREADY HAD MULTIPLE EPISODES WITH CASTIEL and by the time Anna appeared, FANS HAD ALREADY BONDED TO CAS, and rather than expanding Anna’s role and killing off Castiel (whose only purpose at first was to rescue Dean from Hell and ensure the Winchesters participated in what Heaven needed them to do...), they chose instead to expand Cas’s role as an already established character via Anna’s introduction.
Anna WAS ALREADY ENTRENCHED IN HUMANITY HERSELF. But Cas? They could send Cas on a similar journey of discovery, and demonstrate that process of an angel truly falling in love with humanity, showing us how he came to the realization that heaven was corrupt, his mission had been corrupt.
Anna... could never have been THAT.
The show would’ve been fundamentally different if they’d actually killed Cas off and installed Anna as their guide to Heaven Stuff. It would’ve been a lot more “telling them how bad Heaven was” or “how controlling it was” or whatever, and way less struggle to understand and overcome. Even if she remained human, she would’ve been an information dispensing machine in ways that Cas could NOT be without having endured a similar journey for himself. And that.. would’ve been boring and preachy and weird.
And they decided VERY EARLY in the writing of s4 that Misha as an actor and Cas as a character, and his exploration and education about humanity and heaven was the story they wanted to tell. So if anything, Anna was merely one of the keys that unlocked that potential for Cas. I don’t even know if Anna wasn’t created SPECIFICALLY TO SERVE THIS FUNCTION FOR CAS. But that seems most likely to me.
Like... they decided that they would expand the character of Castiel to allow us to learn about angels, about Heaven, and the profound lack of understanding the angels harbored about Free Will and Love and Humanity. But they needed him to begin questioning his orders, to start opening some of those “doorways to doubt” that would allow him to feel emotions. And angels, as they were created, weren’t supposed to be able to do that. So THEN they created Anna to demonstrate that, while excruciatingly painful, and one of the “worst things” an angel could do according to Heaven, an angel COULD become human, could experience these human things, and actually CHANGE. That was her function. I don’t feel that she ever had any other intended role in the story than to show Cas that there might be another way, a bigger truth, that he had to discover for himself.
If Anna had remained and Cas had died, *we the audience* would never have seen this process for ourselves. There wouldn’t have been any struggle over it. It would’ve been an entirely different story. Unless Cas had instantly and unproblematically chosen to become human, or to throw in his lot with Dean after 4.10, there was no way for him to take over Anna’s story. Though there had been potential for Anna to have taken a bigger role in the narrative if they’d decided to go that route after Cas’s initial run on the show as “Heavenly Advisor on Angel Stuff to the Winchesters.” But by the time Anna ever even showed up, the writers had already decided they were Team Cas, and I don’t think there was ever really a serious consideration to replace him with her.
And like... that’s not how stories work, either. They’d already established Cas as a character in 4.01. Anna’s introduction was in 4.09. If anything, they may have briefly considered giving a bigger role to Anna, but it would’ve defeated the point of a lot of storytelling they’d already done building up Cas to the point they’d already chosen to take him, even by 4.09. Cas was already being Demoted By Heaven in favor of Uriel, who was much more willing to press Heaven’s agenda than Cas was. Or at the very least, as of 4.07-- an episode where Uriel was only there supposedly as a “specialist” to handle the specific task (or threat of the task) of smiting the whole town-- Uriel was installed to keep an eye on Cas and Cas was no longer ordered to interact with the Winchesters without “supervision.” And supervision that came with the “specialist in smiting” level of threat attached to it.
Cas was already beginning to doubt, to waver on the plans, and Anna just helped push him over the edge by 14.16 (and unmasked Uriel’s duplicity and Heaven’s unreliability). So. Once those earlier episodes had already been written and in process of being filmed, there was no erasing that story they’d already started telling.
tl;dr: they didn’t “give anna’s role to cas,” they created anna to show him the potential of humanity, and unlock the possibility for him to go on this journey we’ve been watching for the last 12 years. I have no idea (despite having been around a bit longer than you, but still only lurking in fandom meta spaces since s7) how that has morphed in fan dialogue into something that makes so little sense as to break reality... >.>
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impala-in-gotham · 3 years
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SPN Finale Theory: Part Two
Finale realizations continued--taking off of Part One
Chuck’s Swan Song Finale 2.0 and Cas Omitted
Throughout the show Chuck is still trying to get the brother vs brother end using His own "blunt instruments" by bringing back Lucifer(s7-15) multiple times, giving Dean the MOC(s10), bringing in AW Michael(s13) and possessing Dean(s14). It never works because free will, love and family always wins.
So... all of s15, minus the last 2 episodes, were filled with all the character development we saw develop and arcs that were the product of "running their own race". THEN Cas dies.
Everything Cas represents fades away in ep 19. The last time we hear his voice is corrupted by Lucifer. (But it also canonically confirms Dean loves Cas.) How he changed Dean’s self-worth, renewed Sam’s hope, and Jack himself is all that’s left of Cas to help change the narrative and defeat Chuck once and for all. He died believing this would come to pass because he saved Dean.
You feel the disconnect happen in between Lucifer and Michael’s deaths and Jack becoming the new God. But even with Chuck the writers no longer in power, its reverted back to before Cas ever interfered. Family is back to only the brothers and the plot is back to hunting monsters. The ending for each brother mirrors the finales of the season before Cas meant something to them. Dean got a season 3 finale since Cas meant something to Dean first and Sam got a season 5 finale since Cas didn’t mean as much to him until s6.
Carry On:
Dean’s character has dwindled back down to his car, pie, rock music, and beer of s3. He even loves dogs again as if he’s pre-hellhound death trauma. Sam’s character has dwindled back down to the baby brother that no longer wants to hunt but there for emotional support of pre-s5. Even the damn journal's back and Jenny for some reason.
Dean’s s3 "at least then my life can mean something" mindset AKA before found family-Bobby reminds him it always did and Cas saves him returns. He dies by getting stabbed in the back mirroring how Sam died in s2 which led to Cas & the apocalypse to begin with. Dean desperately tries to accept it and begs to be told its ok for him to die. It’s as if s15 Dean that doesn’t want to die is battling with s3 Dean who always feared but expected he’d die on a hunt. Cas doesn't save him this time. Since Sam went on to apparently live a very hollow, apple pie life where he was mourning his brother the whole time it mirrors s5 Dean’s life with Lisa. Sam builds a family but his wife is just a stand-in, his son is a Dean jr, and all his memories surround the parents and brother he lost. Cas still doesn’t interfere. Sam also needs assurance to let go.
Even heaven isn't post-s5 accurate despite the claim that Jack and Cas built this to be the heaven Dean dreamed of and deserved. Sure, Jan. Cas is supposedly alive and well but it’s not known or is [Omitted]; however, what Cas represents is not in heaven either.
Everything about Dean’s heaven is pre-Cas or pre-apocalypse canon:
Pre-s4 cast of Bobby, parents, and Rufus are the only ones “known” to be in heaven. Leaving out post5 family like Charlie, Kevin, even Adam. Cas witnessed the grief and guilt their loss had on Dean, plus all 3 were already included in s15 (AW Charlie but still Charlie callback). Cas would have had them there, on or off-screen.
Despite Bobby being there as supposed found family, he’s also dwindled down to the Bobby of s3. He doesn’t even get up and hug Dean who he hasn’t seen since s8 which canonically doesn’t make sense for post s3 reunions for Bobby or Dean. You get reunited from death, you hug each other; its the Supernatural law of the land.
Harvelle's is thee bar and only actual setting in heaven instead of Dean's dream of Rocky's Bar circa s14. Which Cas not only knows is Dean’s dream, he stood in it. Cas never went to Harvelle's and the only time it was heaven-related was s5 as a part of Ash's heaven only. Dean never mentions it after.
The heaven beer is El Sol. The same in Dean's djinn dream(s3) AND in the Beautiful Room(s4). Not the beer that they've been drinking in the bunker for years OR the ones in Rocky's that are real-life Jensen's. And not because it's his favorite like in s3/4 BUT because it was his first/with his Dad....that's what we're going with? That's what Dean dreams about? No.
Despite heaven being new & improved, it's actually similar to s5 Dark Side of the Moon heaven. Baby just appears and Dean has to follow the road which can only lead to Sam. Which Cas does witness but...interesting.
In conclusion, episode 20 was unbelievable because it's an illusion of what Sam and Dean's life/fate/heaven would be without Cas changing the story and without Chuck being in charge of it. It's not real. It's a figment of what could have been post-Swan Song. This is exactly why you can watch up to season 5 then skip 10 entire years and still follow the finale. If anything its part 2 of Swan Song that Kripke wanted but didn't get. Jensen knew it. It deleted 10 yrs because it deleted Cas and everything that resulted because of Cas. I have no idea what all was Omitted but I have a feeling the finale was still this s5 nightmare, I’m just thinking maybe it was on purpose.
Cas/Misha persevered despite the 3-6 ep arc role he was supposed to have and continued challenging God's narrative for 12 years. This is why ALL of us that are screaming into the void, can't move on, and hated the finale just so happen to ALSO be Castiel fans or Cas/Dean Girls or Hellers or any fan that saw how Cas's entire arc was the driving force from s6-15. We know #CastielMatters/Energies because without him the show would have died with him as false-god Godstiel. We recognized the profound effect he had on Dean and Sam throughout their character development.
I didn't make any of this up THEY wrote this into being. They wrote the show. They wrote the characters. They wrote the parallels and the very specifically done set design/lighting. We just saw it through a lens that maybe you can't see without being more like Cas. An outsider, self-loathing, trying our best in a world where it’s easy to do our worst, have more faith in love than God, and maybe even be a little queer too. Yes, it was a story that started out as two brothers hunting monsters but they grew up. The whole show grew up and this is NOT how it ends.
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And in s7 I think Bellamy was actually the least out of character out them all?? Like that is genuinely my opinion, I do not get that some people - and all characters in the show - said that was not our Bellamy. He only wanted peace for everyone, as always? Do better, stop the violence? He was the one continuing Monty's message. I mean that is why it hurts so much - he clearly was still himself... the other characters, on the other hands, uff, the writing choices for them did not make sense
Although I am working from an angle where we accept transcendence. If I wrote s7, I would have Bellamy realise that the pain is also part of life and they can still do better and make better choices, without transcendence and having to leave humanity behind. I think he knew that so these writing choices, I don't know... I just don't agree with the overall message the show pushes in s7 cause I think it undermines what came before. ,,You don't ease pain, you overdome it." What is your opinion?
I absolutely am of the unpopular opinion that Bellamy’s not OOC in season 7. 
In the brief time we see him he is absolutely himself, even in Etheria, the entire dialogue he has going while Deucette is unconscious is absolutely all Bellamy Blake (though here I have a few remarks in terms of exactly HOW the writing was done but that’s because I pay a lot of attention to who the writers for the episodes are and how long they’ve been on the show-so for example Drew Lindo who also wrote 6x10 and the CPR scene I think writes very IN Bellamy’s voice unlike Sean Crouch who has weird lines here and there not just for Bellamy but for the other characters as well and he wrote that episode and while I think he did a very fine job, like as a writer he defiitely is a good writer and put depth in it, I also think there were other maybe better equipped writers to reproduce Bellamy’s VOICE in the same manner to what and who Bellamy is from the moment we meet in him season one. Sean is a new writer in season 7 so of course maybe though I’m sure he put work in it, he doesn’t reach the depth and the voice of Bellamy whilst Drew for example has been there since season 5 and has a much better understanding of the characters, he has captured them and understood them. Again, I do think Sean did a great job in expressing Bellamy. In fact I think he did much better with him than he had with a few lines for a few other characters that seemed a little out of place.)
So all of that rant aside, yes I mean we see Bellamy in all his Bellamy-ness on Etherea-I love my friends, I fight for my friends and I don’t believe in BS propaganda because when has he ever believed in anything. Like hope comes form himself, always, even when Clarke lacked it, he did not. 
That is of course because of the way he was raised by his mother, we should never forget why he is never hopeless about their survival even when everyone else was-Aurora said I will raise a forbidden child in a horrible post-apocalypctic society with awfully strict rules and that child WILL survive and Bellamy saw it happen, he was gd part of it. So of course he has hope for life.
For Aurora giving up was never a choice. No matter what.
So is it for Bellamy. Mind you even O/ctavia which is very much understandable, gives up on couple of occassions throughout the show. Even as a child we see her say “Sometimes I wish I was never even born” whilst Bellamy tells to Jasper in one of my fave episodes in season 4 DNR upon Jasper saying “You could stay too,you know” to which Bellamy responds “I’m not a quitter.”
He can not kill himself.
So that deviation aside yes he is a beacon of hope for all and he and Clarke had always relied on surviving being made possible by their own hands.
He doesn’t need to believe in something he can perhaps in most cases achieve himself, right?
But then comes the thing.
What is the price of achieving it yourself? What it does to your soul?
that is the question the show asks when we begin and it tries to keep that motto to the end but fails.
Bellamy is tired, of course he is and I like etheria as an episode because it is very psychological (even direction wise and especially hallucination wise, like the director killed it there but that’s for another post). And when Deucette tells him-there’s something hovering around you like a shroud he’s absolutely right. (though it is later twisted by the other characters to justify his death which BS) and Bellamy I believe absolutely knows this. It’s just not something he’s ever acknowledge-that darkness in him that hovers both inside and all around him. It’s there-it’s the guilt of all the mistakes he’s done and the death of all the innocent people he’s killed starting with Mt.Weather and everything onwards.
So of course he wants peace. I think it’s so natural for him to want it. It’s actually want I’ve wanted him to want and crave for himself for so long. Because he’s never had peace. Never, since he was 7 all he’s had is fear and death in his life. I’ve always wanted him to realize that he wants MORE for himself. To live for himself, to want peace for himself. 
Clarke’s had peace, like i’ve discussed in my previous ask, but he’s never had it.
So as maybe difficult as it is to watch for some people I understand why he goes on his knees and starts praying, why he sees the light in the darkness and most importantly I believe his mom plays a really big role here in him choosing to believe Transcedence because her death is his first real sin. 
And on and on we can talk more but no I don’t think he’s ooc. Is the situation as a whole, like the circumstances effed up? Yes, absolutely. The thing is he’s always been left out of big storylines. People ask why he never got the chip in season 3 and that is a very good question. I think this is similar to that-it is in many ways a repeating of this SL so he could’ve absolutely taken the chip there, in the circumstances he was in it was even MORE believable that he would but now it isn’t believable that he choses peace, that he wants transcendence?
I defiitely think he is the only one who continues Monty’s idea of peace. the only one. Clarke says she gets it but she never actually does anything to like..prove it.
And as far as the idea of transcendence as a whole for the show goes I think the answer here is very very simple-Jroth wanted to do something out of the ordinary, something not cliche, something MORE but he failed for me. For him an ending where they all find peace as people (eligius, grounders, skaikru, sanctum population) and live happily ever after, a moment where Clarke looks over all of them and just smiles as she exists her cabin and lives in peace with her daugher is just too-
what...I believe he’d call it fangirlish.
But all he did was repeat a SL we’ve seen our characters battle against. (ALIE) and in fact much better done back then, in fact ALIE’s world is much more believable and alluring than transcendece....so...
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