#anti the last of us 2

[rise-my-angel]

All of sudden joel hate coming up in YouTube how he had it coming

So dose that mean every characters in zombie movies tv show had it coming

I'm sick and tired of people pretending abby didn't didn't pull knife wouldn't hesitate to kill joel didn't he also murder immune people ??? Whole firefly killed immune people

But sociopath psycho joel had it coming because he killed innocent people

" I'm tired of people using joel voice actor to valid it argument joel had it coming he litreally compared joel to David the cannibalistic man and other rapists and murders in tlou "

Hot Take: If what you got out of the first game was Joel had it coming, then you have a very cynical and unemotional approach to morally grey characters.

Joel Miller is a prime example of a morally grey charecter, a good man who does the right thing when it matters most, but does a lot of harm along the journey to get there. We as the players do not need to agree with everything he does, we do not need to defend or support it. But the point of the story was an emotional study of him as a charecter, and why in the end, you understand why he does what he does in the Hospital.

I also think people tend to look at the Fireflies with a bit of an uncritical lens. They see oppressive governing power in Fedra, and a group of rebels and previous media tells us to root for them. But they are just as morally grey. And looking at the good they do versus the harm, the Fireflies loose massively against Joel beacause the good they have done does not outweigh the bad. The fireflies are terrorists to the point multiple people in universe call them as such, and they are not shown to be reliable or to be trusted.

I think it's fine if someone decides they don't like Joel personally, but the reason why people got so mad at the second game wasn't just that Joel didn't have it coming. It was that no one should have that coming for them. We were mad beceause it was cruelty for the sake of cruelty. When the cruelty of the first game always had a narrative or charecter driven purpose. Wheras here, they have to spend an entire third of the game AFTER the fact to justify why they did it, and most of us found that conclusion to be entierly unsatsifying.

Painting Joel as a violent, bad man who deserved what happened to him, is to approach the heart of the first story with a very unsympathetic and vengeful viewpoint. Joel wasn't getting revenge for Sarah in the Hospital, he was doing the right thing. Abby on the other hand, only did it for revenge because her world was a worse place after Joel was dead.

It's just not a good follow up to the first game beacuse you need us to believe a character assasination of Joel to be true, just to get us on board with the basic plot. Which we don't.

They can't lie about a character I already know, and an organization i already watched do more harm then good.

Joel hate is very much a product of the second game and did not grow organically within the community as a stance. Most anti Joel content soley relies on you buying into the story of the sequel to make it work. Because no evidence from the first game supports their narrative of Joel being a bad enough person to deserve such an end.

Also, I do not care what people like Troy or Neil have to say. I've seen enough of their discussions to know that they are trying to push the narrative that justifies the second games existence. They aren't saying it in good faith, they're saying it to convince people that Joel was a bad man all along, only as long as you listen to them make strawman arguments of their own game.

Anyways, long way of saying, I'll never feel bad for the Fireflies.

Fuck 'em.

#tlou #the last of us #anti tlou2 #anti the last of us 2

[aeirithgainsborough]

the addition of joel’s attempted suicide and him telling ellie it wasn’t time that had healed his wounds makes part 2 all the more rotten btw. in the context of just part 1 it added to the theme that runs through the game that you have to find something to hold onto and make life better even when everything seems dire. it’s extremely topical (as joel said about the puns) for ellie. joel knows she’s going through the same thing and that’s partly why he told her. it was also his way of expressing to her he loved her and she expresses that back when she says ‘im glad it didn’t work out’. if we just think about part 1, it’s a scene that fits well with the source material and adds something. later when joel saves ellie and then lies, we can really easily track why he saved her and then lied. yes for him cus he loves her but mostly it was because he’s been there and he knows how it feels to struggle with the guilt you survived and how easy it is to slip into the feeling of everything being pointless and wanting to end it all cus what’s the point in carrying on. he sees it in ellie. that’s why he tells her the story and that’s why he saves her. because it got better for him. it may have taken 20 years but it got better. he found what he needed to make life worth living and he wants ellie to have that too. he knows it’s out there for her, especially if they can go somewhere like jackson and she can watch movies and learn guitar and just be a kid.

but when we think about part 2, this addition just feels mean. they’ve added to joel’s trauma, they’ve deepened it. he was so lost and broken when sarah died that he wanted to end it all. life felt so pointless to him. and despite how bad it was to lose a kid, despite how scary it was for him to open himself up to ellie, to open that door into parenthood again, despite how painful it was and the memories it dredged up, he did ultimately choose to open that door. and there’s such cruelty in adding that depth, knowing they are gonna cause him that pain again! that they are gonna take a kid away from him again. that he opened that door and he found something that made life worth living, and they are going to crush him again with it. it’s cruel to ellie too. first of all bcus she’s deeply depressed and suicidal because of all she’s been through and everyone she’s lost and the guilt that they died when she didn’t (she never says so explicitly, but contextually it’s there, especially in her later statement that she should have died in that hospital) and they never let her progress from that. despite the life she has in jackson, despite the people who love her, she’s stuck where she was at 14, thinking her life doesn’t matter and not understanding at all why joel saved her (because her life always mattered; because it’s one worth living). secondly it’s cruel because they take the one thing away from her she loves above all other things, leaving her ultimately scared and alone, with nothing and no one. that thing she needs to find to live for - she never gets that. it renders joel’s intervention to save her life pointless and that feels worse in the context of the ‘it was me who missed’ addition. ultimately, within the narrative of part 2, they both would have been better off if joel hadn’t opened that door again and ellie had died on that table (joel wouldn’t have experienced the pain of loving again and then been beaten to death like a dog in the street and ellie wouldn’t have lost everything her friends her family her dad her fingers her connection to joel her mother’s knife) instead of ending up broken and alone. and that’s not only really sad and bleak, it’s really cruel. it’s mean. it’s the antithesis of part 1 completely and utterly.

#the last of us #tlou #the last of us spoilers #anti tlou2 #i really think they’ve got a storm coming lol #ppl are not gonna like it #already told my sister about the plot of 2 and she’s out #she also was like ‘wait it’s not about ellies immunity’ LOL

[ct-multifandom]

I don’t usually make posts like this, but I’ve been seeing a lot of anti-intellectual junk lately, and I really think we need to put the word “pretentious” up on a shelf until people learn what it actually means.

It doesn’t describe someone who likes artsy-fartsy deep meaning media. People who are pretentious are fake. They’re posers trying to be sophisticated and unique, not like other girls. They pretend to only like stuff they think will make them sound cool when they talk about it. They want to act like they know something you don’t, and they want attention for it.

By definition, if you genuinely enjoy something, you can’t be pretentious. If it resonates with you, and you analyze it, and you don’t care what people think, that’s the polar opposite, actually. If you love obscure experimental prog music, if you watch underground high concept indie films through English teacher eyes, if you spend hours in a modern art museum reading each piece as a vessel for storytelling, if your backpack’s full of poetry books that inspire you, if you play underrated games that were someone’s passion project, if you have an interest in studying the classics or the masters, you are not pretentious.

Of course, some people just don’t like some stuff, and that’s fine, but that’s not what this is about. Don’t let anti-intellectuals shame you for enjoying things just because your interests are inaccessible to them, because they refuse to be brave and put effort into critical thinking. You’re not stuck up for refusing to overlook the craft of artists.

#anti intellectualism #media #movies #books #music #critical thinking #my friend who primarily listens to one very popular band once said that people who listen to obscure music are annoying and pretentious #which rubbed me the wrong way because 1 she knows that I listen to obscure music and 2 it’s such a cowardly consumerist take. anyone can #make music and hey a lot of the people who do make GOOD music. and this goes for all *obscure* media #this post was mostly inspired by people talking about Barbie and those anti pick me girls like the pick nobody girls who insist thinking is #for boys and having fun with an empty brain is for girls. Greta gerwig is an artist. I haven’t seen the movie yet but I know it has a deeper #message than haha cute pink! I’ve seen the summaries about the true meaning. the pinkness and popularity doesn’t negate the narritive. #though in the notes I saw a lot of tumblristas comunistas shitting on the film for being one big ad that people *fell for* which tbh is #tbh almost as anti-intellectual. don’t get me wrong they milked this film to sell hella shit but I don’t believe kids who play with dolls #are the target audience as these people claim. Barbie is a culturally iconic symbol almost archetypical of societal expectations for women #you say barbie people think unblinking perfect plastic pink girly. reminds me of the poem The Last Mojave Indian Barbie. yeah yeah you all #hate brands but this one carries undeniable significance and makes for a powerful literary device. it’s been used many times before #sorry for writing a tag essay about a film I haven’t even seen but I’m tired of internet people focusing so much on proving others wrong #that they end up oversimplifying everything just as much as the other person. god I saw people doing this to Nimona saying transphobes were #looking too deep into her character and they’re reactionary clowns for making that jump. like for once the transphobes are right. she is #trans. it’s a queer story. and irl the first people who notice queerness are the bigots who can tell you’re different. sick owns telling #them the story’s not that deep is harmful and it’s like they’re ignoring the real message on purpose. okay enough rambling hehe! thanks #barbie #nimona

[cock-holliday]

Kind of expanding off of this post but a likelihood even more bothersome than Neil forgetting his own source material is that this was his original intention all along, and the story was only saved by his lack of complete creative control over the original product.

At this point, the core of the story is now placed in part 2, not the original. What I thought was intentioned ambiguity becomes more and more indicative of Neil not being allowed to say the quiet part out loud…until part 2. Moral quandaries from the original were merely setups for blatant and unsubtle messages. The original asked thought-provoking questions, and it seems clear that the team behind the game may have had different answers, or at least embraced the possibilities of multiple conclusions. Part 2 says there is only one answer: Neil’s answer.

*spoiler warning*

Suddenly the original is not presenting the player with grey areas anymore, it is simply the setup for a conclusion. Even the marketing now positions this to be the case, as it is difficult to find a copy of The Last of Us that is not labeled “The Last of Us: Part 1.” The HBO show has even shifted aspects to cater more specifically and blatantly to the messages of Part 2, which are as disheartening as they are childish.

The Last of Us questioned what people would do to survive, it questioned what lengths people would go to for their loved ones, it questioned what choices people would make based on their own traumas.

Part 2 tries to say that violence and hate are as inherent as love and hope, and effectively inescapable as part of “human nature.” Except it IS escapable. For the antagonist. So Neil’s own message is lost in hypocrisy. Part 2 tries to say that any and all violence is proportional. A girl killing her would-be rapist is as violent as the person who attempted to prey on her. A girl killing someone in self-defense is as violent as killing someone out of hatred. All violence is equal regardless of motivation or context or power dynamics. A system is the same as an individual. A military force is the same as the rebels fighting against it.

All violence is condemnable, nuance is lost. And the only absolution for your part in the violence is to suffer. Unless of course you seek out peace sooner than your opponent.

Joel committed violence to survive. He committed violence to save Ellie. He is only absolvable through death.

Ellie committed violence to survive. She committed violence to avenge Joel. She is only absolvable through the loss of everyone she loves, unspeakable trauma, the loss of fingers—and by extension her ability to play guitar, something that kept her connected to the person she was closest to—and must be relegated to her plainly stated worst fear: ending up alone.

Abby committed violence by avenging her father and killing Joel. She committed violence by killing and hurting Ellie’s friends. She committed violence by participating in occupation and torture of those living beyond her border wall. She committed violence by brutalizing Tommy. She committed violence by betraying her friends. She is absolved by…getting a found family.

The game tries so hard to be highbrow but doesn’t follow its own logic. It can’t decide what is excusable and what is condemnable but god does it fucking try to excuse or condemn rather than suggest that there isn’t a clear answer.

Joel and Ellie are consumed by guilt. They, particularly Ellie, are forced into situations against their own moralities, but are expected to pay the narrative price as if they did their acts out of evilness anyway.

Abby is not remorseful for anything she has done, but decides she wants to move forward (having already achieved her goal of revenge early in the narrative) and now is permitted to walk away. If revenge is evil, why is Abby allowed to have it? If violence is all bad regardless of context, why are only some punished by the narrative and not others?

If an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, why is the person who wasn’t seeking revenge blinded?

Neil tries to make a point about violence removed from context, motivated by his OWN views of violence removed from context. The why suddenly doesn’t matter. The why isn’t protecting someone, it isn’t protecting yourself, it isn’t an attempt to remove shackles of oppression, it isn’t a push for freedom, it isn’t to escape occupation. It is simply “human nature’s propensity for violence.” It is cynicism and a reductive stance on people as a whole.

Violence is not permitted to be a tool for controlling masses and a tool for liberation and a means to survive and a necessary measure for protection and a way to exert power over the defenseless all as commingling realities. No, violence is simply “bad.” A child predator is simply “the dark side of humanity” and not a specific dynamic born from a combination of factors. A child killing said predator in self-defense is also suddenly the girl’s “dark side” and not the exercise of violence as a method of escape. They are equal. Because violence is bad. A military beating down its citizens for control is just bad because violence is bad. So the people who overthrow the military occupation are ALSO bad because violence is bad.

Suddenly game 1 is no longer a multifaceted view on the potential paths of post-apocalypse, and a mind-probing posing of questions about morality and justice. It is a buffet of “bad people” doing “bad things”, with the inevitable second shoe dropping in part 2 which says: and so they will all eat each other.

#tlou #the last of us #tlou part 2 #anti tlou2 #tlou2

[slaket-and-sprash]

Gamers be like: "they made the "Nazis are bad" series WOKE with the 3rd installment because zork, the sexless god of destruction goes by they/them now. And Lady Gattlinggunn has d cup breasts instead of z cups so my weewee can't go boomboom now"

#gaming #gamer #lgbt #queer #lgbt rights #trans rights #x men #wolfenstein #the last of us #batman #across the spiderverse #spiderman #insomniac #insomniac spider man #sweet baby inc #video games #fuck conservatives #feminism #fuck gatekeeping #fuck gamers #gamergate #ganergate 2 #nonbinary #trans representation #woke #anti woke #wokeness #woke liberal madness #liberals #leftist

[abbyonmars]

warning(?) tlou2 spoiler ????? i think

IM SORRY BUT WHY DOES NO ONE PUT THAT ONE CLIP OF ABBY IN THEIR EDITS OF HER CHOKING THAT ONE SERAPHITE WITH HER THIGHS CAUSE HER ARMS ARE ALL TIED UP ???? AM I MISSING SOMETHING

thinking about that bc lowkey seeing that started my obsession. am i the only one who thinks that or what

#abby anderson #abby anderson tlou2 #tlou abby #the last of us #the last of us part 2 #abby antis dni

[lovemilkshakemeh]

A/N: im gonna be honest im not sure what this is. its a drabble that doesn't belong to any character in particular. i was just chatting with ai Abby (from tlous 2) and decided why not for her since i was already saying stuff like this to the ai. i suck ass at dialogue so there's pretty much none but i think the point still gets across well enough. i never say its her but in my mind while editing this i decided it was abby so imagine whoever. also why is it so hard to write for men.

DISCLAMER: 18+ THIS IS PURE SMUT MDNI

Tags: shower sex,nipple play (barely any), smut(ofc), angst, you fingering abby, abby eats you out, both abby and reader receive. plot (if you squint), unrequited love, i love you

Summary: You and abby fuck in the shower

wc: 710

moments like this were rare. silence rang throughout the home except for the rhythmic pattern of the water hitting the tile. your bodies danced in a passionate tango, tongues dancing in a battle for dominance. until you were the champion. 

she was putty in your hands. her mouth opened to let small moans escape as your fingers traced small shapes onto her clit. her head tilted back to allow you access to her neck and as if her body was moving in sync with yours in a symphony of pleasure. your mouth automatically attached to her neck littering kisses and bites along the collar. she gushed at your touch. your hands momentarily leaving her only to dive into her slick folds. you let out a low teasing chuckle finding her mews of desperation funny. her hips snapped and bucked wildly. and her hands grasped into the shower walls looking for purchase. she was close. her eyes snapped shut and her mouth opened releasing a silent moan. body convulsing and clenching around your fingers she let go. her vision blurring and seeing what you can only imagine as galaxies.

slowly you removed your fingers, her eyes meeting yours with a dazed grin. a look that only lasted momentarily as her dazed grin turned into a hungry one. her lips attacked your own in that same visceral pattern you had hers only moments before. the dazed look now upon your face as you hold back a moan. you the once strong dominant figure reduced to clay in her calloused hands. she molds your body like art. hands cupping your breast like she's shaping you. her fingers pinch your perked nipples and her eyes remain on yours like she's admiring her work. the same rough hands trail down your stomach earning a jump from you. she lets out a low chuckle seemingly amused by your response. your face forms into a pout. almost immediately the pout is replaced with a pleasurable look. her fingertips trail down to your thighs and she sinks to her knees. kissing up towards your core she giggles at how easily you melt into her hands. you tangle your fingers into her wet hair, the shower proving a barrier from the outside world. it was just you and her. and despite the compromising position you felt no embarrassment. her lips move up her nose bumping your clit. a soft moan escaping your lips . you mumble a quiet “don’t tease” that almost fell on deaf ears as the shower drowned out your voice. feeling generous she replied with a chuckle that vibrated against you and she gave into your plea. she dove her tongue into your slit. your arousal leaking all over her face as she consumes you like a starving animal. she smears it as she devours you . her nose bumping into your clit providing you a completely euphoric sensation. occasionally she  moves up from your hole sucking your pearly clit into her mouth. she bites it just a little. providing a rapturous sensation. you were close. your body aching for a release. your back arched and fingers gripping her scalp. you let go. that same galaxy inviting you for a temporary stay. she looks into your eyes wiping your juices from her face admiring the statue of pleasure she carved. standing up she kisses you. you both bask in the feelings you felt. exhaustion sweeps over your body just as euphoria did moments ago. both your bodies a sticky mess despite the water flowing down them. soft “i love you’s” are muttered still quiet enough to be basked by the water. as you  cleaned each other you relished in each other's company. you massaged love into her body as she did yours. peppering her face with love before turning off the shower and draining the evidence of your love along with then water. a silent goodbye hangs in the air. it's never said but it’s alive. dread is hanging in the air waiting for its chance to swallow you alive. you daydream of the next time she lets you hold her like this. you know her heart belongs to someone else the shuffling of her feet as she leaves you alone in an empty bathroom is evidence enough.

#tlou 2 abby #abby anderson #abby x reader #abby smut #abby anderson smut #abby the last of us #abby tlou #the crazy thing is i used to be abby anti dont hate me #i love her now though definitely my favorite charater #or maybe im just gay

[ohmanareyoucereal69]

Im not sure if this is bait or not but this is disgusting and sick, idk please report this account. 🤢

#tlou #tlou2 #tlou1 #tlou ellie #Joel miller #ellie the last of us #the last of us 2 #the last of us #the last of us joel #ellie tlou #joel tlou #abby anderson tlou2 #abby tlou #tlou hbo #tlou part 2 #tlou game #dina tlou #the last of us Abby #Abby Anderson #dina woodward #jesse the last of us #jesse tlou #the last of us part two #the last of us part 2 #the last of us part one #the last of us part ii remastered #the last of us part 1 remake #abby the last of us #abby anderson the last of us 2 #anti proship

[darklinaforever]

When a professional demonstrates how fireflies are slammed to the ground... If the fireflies managed to get a cure / vaccine with their fucking stupid method, it would literally be a miracle.

#the last of us hbo #the last of us #the last of us part 1 ps5 #the last of us part 1 #the last of us part one #tlou #anti tlou2 #anti the last of us part two #anti the last of us part 2 #anti the last of us ii #ellie and joel #joel and ellie #ellie x joel #joel x ellie #joel miller #ellie williams

[never-forget-viva-la-pluto]

For the people in my asks

Yes the last of us 2 is still my favorite game and the article being shared is from a perspective of someone being hypercritical of the zionist message(rightfully) while completely ignoring that the game is actually NOT a zionist message.

My main arguments against this article:

-Dina being proud of her Jewish heritage happens long before the game even introduces the serephites and wfl, thus there is no narrative tie-in to Dina being Jewish and the conflict among the two factions. Free palestine is not an anti jew thing, its an anti-israel apartheid state thing. And by extension, acknowledging that anti Semitic genocides did happen and still do, is not anti palistine, like the article author implies the game is suggesting.

-"at the end of the day Ellie's journey of revenge seems especially cruel, even idiotic, because we are never given a good reason for why she keeps recommitting to it" Yeah, only if you don't know what ptsd is or that she recommits to revenge because she grew up in a world that simply COULD NOT churn out anyone well adjusted.

-this is an article from a jewish-pro palestine woman that argues that this is a bad take from a guy who clearly took his own interpretation as the only interpretation there was. She is the same author as this article that's been on many anti zionism posts going around this website. She asserts that the game itself is not actually pro isreal, but is "a catalyst for more difficult conversions."

-the main point of the article is that the game is bad and zionist bc it treats the conflict as essentially a cycle of hate in us people and that that is a mentality that is learned, not inate. Which is bullshit bc there are many stories that have those exact tropes that aren't zionist at all. And the last of us isn't either.

THAT BEING SAID: NEIL DRUNKMANN IS A ZIONIST BASTARD! Outright he has supported Isreal despite the irony that the game he made was the condemnation of exactly what he is now supporting. This guy in the video puts it best how drunkmann accidentally made a game that went against his own beliefs along with some other good things to say on the topic of celebrities sudden support of isreal:

The last of us 2 is still my favorite game and i stand by that. HOWEVER, I will likely NOT be watching the second season of the show bc the game was so phenomenally good, by accident, it seems. I have no doubts that the show will be more pro isreal as drunkmann doubles down on his pro genocide stance, and that is kind of the opposition of the game's point.

If you like the last of us 1 and 2, then support Palistine!(or if you hate the game, there is a fucking genocide happening and this all feels very small in comparison to the war crimes being committed. Do something more productive than hang out in my inboxes or tell me to off myself):

#the last of us #the last of us 2 #neil druckmann #neil drunkman is a zionist #the last of us tv show #the last of us tv #pro palestine #anti genocide #isreal #if you like the last of us 2 support Palistine #Youtube #asks #i am pro palestine #i have gotten so many anon hate recently for that one post about the last of us #discourse #genocide #pinkwashing #if i missed any tags let me know #i wanted to get my thoughts out but i dont want to needlessly trigger anyone #the last of us ii #violence #gaza strip #free gaza #free palestine #free Palistine is not anti-Semitic #support palestine #you asked and i answered

[lottiematthewsceo]

actress playing dina not jewish and a zionist i hate it here this is worse than the abby casting

(boycott tlou neil druckmann isabela merced and kaitlyn denver are all zionists)

#tlou hbo #tlou part 2 #the last of us #hbo the last of us #dina tlou #isabela merced #anti zionisim

[aeirithgainsborough]

ppl who don’t think tlou2 was a game built purely around shock value, pls pls tell me why they’d have joel and ellie not speaking for two years (soooooooooooooooo ooc lmao) and then kill him off the day after they finally start to make amends/she comes out to him if not for shock value??

#i can’t understand how ppl don’t see it #that is a clear indication they prioritised shock over characters/narrative #ur telling me ellie williams who told joel she’d be more scared without him because everyone else in her life has died or left her #wouldn’t speak to him for 2 years lmaooooo??? be mad he lied sure! but not #not speaking to him looool #they chose that for shock. they chose the timing of everything for shock #gross gross bad rubbish #bruce they should have kept you on and kept neil away im so sorry to you and ellie and joel #anti tlou2 #the last of us spoilers

[bisexualamy]

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#it actually makes me sick like physically ill how much praise is heaped onto goyishe american leftists #people who could not point to gaza on a map six months ago. whose knowledge of middle east history comes from outdated textbooks and twitte #for being anti imperial activists and well educated anti imperialists with all the right buzzwords and all the right opinions #meanwhile nothing i say will ever be good enough bc i'm jewish and palestinians are tokenized by people who care more about appearing #like someone who Listens to Palestinians as opposed to 1) doing anything material to help them (like donating money) #and 2) not spreading obvious misinformation. something that does material damage to the cause of liberation #AND further fuels the most insidious of zionist propaganda which relies on the antisemitism of ignorant western goys #this propaganda banks on their antisemitism bc it's that fucking reliable #every white western goy that harasses jews or spreads misinfo about jews or is straight up just racist towards random israeli immigrants #ppl living in the west like running coffee shops that are now having their windows smashed bc that what? supports palestinian liberation? #makes it that much easier for actual zionist propagandists to say 'see. this was never about imperialism. they want an excuse to harm you.' #'you are only safe with us' #i grew up in a cauldron of this kind of propaganda and i was playing on hard mode i got it from the orthodox #it took years of dutiful unlearning. of wrestling with some really difficult realities. of realizing that i'd been not only lied to #but information had been deliberately kept from me to keep me from knowing the true depths of the horror happening in gaza #i did not get the luxury of starting to care about this six months ago during a concerted effort to correct the record #i had to put in the effort to unlearn two decades of propaganda given to me so young i don't remember a time when i didn't know it #and i am by far not the only jew with this experience #i have put in way more effort to care about this than every white western goy with a megaphone posting palestinian flags on IG #but none of that matters bc i am a jew and for the last 5000+ years we don't get to decide how we're discussed or how we're remembered #never mind how many jewish voices (and yes! even israeli voices!) have been supporting liberation efforts in palestine for years. #who've done an amazing job reaching more people who need help seeing through the propaganda they were raised on #i can only be a token who speaks only in protest chants or i can be an evil zionist. the anti imperial work doesn't matter. #bc anti imperial work is hard and none of them actually want to do it they just want the protest photos #anyway this is why i don't discuss this on the piss on the poor website. tbh i don't trust y'all

[cock-holliday]

Still talking about it, but ultimately, what was the point of any of it then? I’m clinging to the idea that Bruce and others’ influence at (and eventual swift departure from) Naughty Dog is indicative that there IS still meaning in the first one, but the idea that all of this is the natural conclusion renders so many powerful moments from the first game meaningless.

Ellie is characterized by her snark and wit and humor as well as her stubbornness, as well as a shining burst of hope and positivity. Joel, and by extension the player, would be foolish to think her optimism and hope are out of naivety though. But now, through both game 2 and the HBO show, the moments that prove that her desire for hope is in spite of what she’s been through out of conscious effort and not because of being sheltered becomes recontextualized to show she was silly for ever expecting a better outcome.

The pivotal moment of Ellie’s arc is the winter chapter. She has struggled against Joel’s helicoptering (which is only out of his OWN fear of losing her) and insistence she can’t protect herself, but now is on her own. She proves her capabilities, she shows her knowledge and grit and the grim reality that she is VERY aware of the world she lives in. She’s brave, she’s determined, but she’s also terrified. She’s a child. And at the conclusion of the arc, she kills the antagonist in defense, but also in rage and desperation and agony of everything she’s been through. She isn’t cruel. She is kind. She is kind to Joel, she is kind to Sam, she is kind to people and animals and things but has to do what she has to. And it hurts her.

Her optimism takes a blow. Her hope takes a blow. She becomes withdrawn and doubtful and is very very VERY clearly trundling towards the conclusion that after everything, she has to give her entire self to make up for the loss. Which is WRONG. Her conclusion is wrong! Her conclusion is from guilt, survivors guilt, from guilt from what she’s been forced to do, from adults placing sacrificial significance on her. She didn’t ask for this. It just happened to her, and the only shred of agency she has is in walking towards what could be her demise.

What powerful messages about hope and loss and trauma and trying to find the good in circumstances riddled with trauma an ambiguous ending is. And how subversive it would be to let her heal. Let Joel, her mirror in many ways, heal.

But no. Her trauma is actually the indication that even a sweet lovable young person is not free of evil. No, she should not be made out to be “pure”, this does nothing for her character and would hinder her growth too. But to make her out to be simply a slave to the “darkness of humanity” is…cruel. That taking agency is actually a sign of her violent impulses is cruel.

And ultimately what is the point? She’s not permitted much time with Joel in Jackson to heal. She doesn’t get to live peacefully with him. Her friends die or leave her, everyone who is still alive is scarred physically and mentally and will be a forever reminder of what she’s lost. She can’t connect to Joel in the one way she still could cling to throughout the second game.

Like what is the POINT? “After all we’ve been through. Everything I’ve done. It can’t be for nothing.” It WASNT! Not when she could heal, not when she could move on, not when she could learn that she is not responsible for humanity and the fate of the world does not rest on her shoulders. But she doesn’t get to heal. She gets to be blamed along with Joel for dooming humanity. All her understandable but unnecessary guilt turns out to be necessary, but with no resolution. There is nothing she can do to make it up, and nothing she gets to do to move forward. She loses everything.

And her only way forward is just surviving or dying. She can’t ever thrive now. She can’t ever heal. The farm portion of game 2 made that clear. Even away from everything there’s no escape. So there is no REASON to be hopeful or optimistic. The end of game 2 tries to suggest that NOW she can move forward but clearly she can’t! The second game makes her out to be a fool for being hopeful. Makes her naive for being kind and optimistic. Then punishes her brutally when the story forces her to abandon that hopefulness. That’s so fucked up.

#anti tlou2 #tlou #the last of us #tlou hbo #the last of us part 2

[nightmaree-eyess]

When Abby says “I wish someone loved me enough to make me a stocking— what? A stocking or someone who loves me?” Makes me wanna cry. I’ll make her all the stockings in the fucking world. I love her till my last breath. She is my baby girl wife and I’ll defend her with my life.

#the last of us #the last of us 2 #tlou2 #abby tlou #tlou part 2 #tlou #abby anderson #abby defender forever #abby antis dni #I’m fucking serious

[prismit]

FINALLYYYY BEAT 5BC ALL THE WAY THROUGH WITHOUT ASSIST MODE. SHOUTOUT TO DEATH'S SCYTHE FOR CARRYING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE GIANT and then a baseball bat which was incapable of landing crits on the final boss with the set i had but pulled through with huge damage anyways lmao

#ghost town... 2! #dead cells #(btw to clarify: i am NOT an anti-assist mode elitist; i just wanted to challenge myself by winning the “intended” way eventually) #(and eventually has finally arrived YIPPEEEE) #also funny how nerves work lol i got to the final boss' last phase without getting hit #and then proceeded to choke and almost die at the last moment lmaooo #i don't really struggle with him now because of the amount of time i had to spend on my first run with him using infinite retries #using a SEVERELY UNDERLEVELED panchaku and a shield that can't parry reliably (alucard's shield I HATE IT NOW & never take it) #but yea nerves will still fuck you up no matter how much practice you have lol. extremely fun boss fight tho i love it #oh yea btw the set i used: #death's scythe - front line shield - diverse deck (electrodynamics) - giant whistle - rampart in backpack #then switched from scythe to baseball bat at the end of sepulcher #armadillopack all the way through. point blank and gastronomy until i switched from death's scythe to baseball bat before the giant #then traded the last 2 for spite and open wounds (baseball bat had bonus to bleeding enemies) for giant and hotk #switched spite for gastronomy for astrolab (which CAME IN CLUTCH btw) #and then finally finished with armadillopack/open wounds/gold plating bc i got scared lol (APPARENTLY A GOOD CALL THOUGH)