#The Hobbit: All Films

[thorinds]

The Hobbit trilogy (2012-2014), dir. Peter Jackson

#FilmEdit #FantasyEdit #TolkienEdit #HobbitEdit #AllHobbitEdit #Film: The Hobbit #The Hobbit: All Films #Bilbo Baggins #Thorin Oakenshield #Fili #Kili #Balin #Legolas #Tauriel #And all the rest #M. #Marthe's GIFs #Don't get me wrong I love big gifs but I also kinda miss seeing small gifs sometimes #Anyway this is really old and has been rotting in my drafts

[parkercore-69]

thank you J.R.R. Tolkien for writing the most devastating romantic subplot in your lotr books without even realising it

#im talking about sam and frodo sorry everyone #guess who like watched all the extended films and cried #whether you intepret sam and frodo’s love platonically or romantically you have to understand that they are so entwined that it is #devastating nonetheless #the forehead kiss #im on the ground sobbing #dawgs it was such a real depiction of how trauma is irreversible and will change you entirely #frodo baggins #i love him so fucking much guys #i love those little hobbits #samwise gamgee #lord of the rings #i could and most likely will write an essay on this #samfro #dawg sometimes love can be both platonic and romantic as queer love is not to be constrained by heteronormative values #sorry did i read too far into the little fantasy story #dude i was not expecting a story about the horrific effects of war racism and power corrupt addiction when i sat down in front of the telly #jokes on the side frodo looking absolutely miserable at sam’s wedding is so fucking real #i get it’s because he knows he cant move on and he is forever changed by his trauma but also that hobbit gay #his wound from the witch king never healing being a symbolic representation of his trauma FUCKS ME UP #frodo you may have been a whiny bitch at times but like yeah that ring probably did weigh a fuck ton and i was worse on my dofe expedition #i may be fucking too hard with lotr #lotr #teehee

[sexyleon]

I felt that post of yours about the Dracula fandom and the way it talks about adaptations tbh, like, I'm someone who was very involved in DD last year and I've written critique myself about Dracula adaptations bc I love comparative analysis and really thinking about the choices adaptations make, for good or for ill, but from my personal experience, a lot of fandom commentary on adaptations isn't really thoughtful analysis, and don't get me wrong, I'm a hater sometimes too and enjoying venting, but I noticed that this year, there were so many posts that started out as thoughtful commentary on the book, then launched into bitching about the evils of adaptations out of nowhere, and people can write what they want, but it got tiring after awhile to be in a fandom with so much angry energy, not to mention the divergence in canon vs fanon that was much starker this year that made me feel like I had read a different book.

Also, every time I see people point at re: Dracula to be like, see, it's so easy to do a perfect 1:1 adaptation of the novel, why can't other adaptations do it?, it's like, it's an audiobook, a movie can't be that long, even a television mini-series would have to make cuts. And I might dislike a lot of choices adaptations make, but creatives absolutely have the right to take a public domain work and put their own spin on things beyond book accuracy as the number one goal - and like, do we truly want a 100% accurate adaptation when the novel is still ultimately a xenophobic reverse invasion story? Like, I would hope modern directors would seriously grapple with those aspects of the original story instead of reproducing Victorian bigotry unquestioned.

Hi, thank you for your response! I'm glad that my post resonated with a few people!

I definitely also felt a shift in energy with this season of Dracula Daily, and I'm pretty sure it is a direct result of the phenomena that is Re: Dracula. Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE supporter of RE: Dracula, and I found it to be absolutely delightful specifically because it was a 1:1 adaptation of the book, but I also think that it has skewed the way people engage with all the other adaptations of Dracula. You are so right when you say that Re: Dracula's media as audiobook is what allowed it to be so authentic. Even if it was a long-form series, there would have to be creative liberties taken to account for visualising certain aspects of the text. I am 100% sure someone would be able to do it, but it would undoubtedly be a labour of love and expense.

I think the biggest thing that got lost in translation in my post is that I was speaking specifically on the rhetoric of "bad adaptation = bad media." I don't even like to use the term "bad adaptation" because it feels inaccurate and gives the connotation of being holistically terrible; "failed adaptation" or "inauthentic adaptation" seems more apt when discussing how close an adaptation relates to the source material. I think it is unfair for any adaptation to be written off solely on the fact that it does not strictly adhere to the original text. This can be in way of narrative, characterization, theme, etc. I don't think it's fair to say "x adaptation is bad because it ignores x from the text" because that fundamentally dismisses all the other attributes that contribute to whether or not a piece of media is subjectively good (because honestly that's all it is-- subjectivity). Media, especially film and stage, has so many dynamic and moving parts. There are so many attributes that contribute to the success of any one given thing, especially adaptations (which can claim the title with even the loosest references to the source material). I feel like the black and white thinking when it comes to this doesn't really allow for a dialogue to exist between people who enjoy Dracula adaptations for what they are and, forgive me for saying this, book purists.

Understandably, there is criticism against some adaptations that have claimed to follow the source text closely, but very distinctly did not (Ahum, Cappola). However, I think it does everyone a disservice to deny the impact of a lot of these (mostly) films. Someone in the reblogs of my original post did a good breakdown of the origins of the Dracula genre itself, and I think it goes to show that the story of Dracula has a life of its own outside of the pages of Bram Stoker's book.

The most annoying thing about the responses to my initial post was the refusal to believe that anyone was making these comparisons. I really would not have gone out on a limb to rant about this if I hadn't been consistently seeing vent posts in the main tag with mostly negative responses to a lot of different adaptations of Dracula based on the authenticity of them to the text. I admit I was frustrated when I wrote it, but it really was meant to just address the black and white thinking re: failed adaptations making bad media. This is not to say that criticism of adaptations isn't valid, but I think there should be more nuance to this conversation and that's what I wasn't seeing. It's not fun to dive into the broad Dracula tag and find post after post shitting on your favourite media because it isn't like the book.

Sorry this was a bit long! I am just really passionate about Dracula okay!! And I really really really like all the shitty little shows and movies and plays and comics and all other media that comes out of his name (because YES, a lot of adaptations really make vampire synonymous with Dracula and ROLL WITH IT). Vampires are really neat and the Dracula genre of film has been a huge influence on horror media. I think there is a lot to be said when analysing adaptations, but none of it can come from blanket statements against them.

@spider-xan

#dracula #dracula daily #plz no sexyleon #honestly i lived through the hobbit movies and the book puritism that came out of that and i think it has influenced my opinion on this alo #again because there were some that didnt get it: i am speaking specifically on black and white thinking regarding this #if you don't like cappola's film because of all the shit that happened behind the scenes or because of the narrative itself outside of it's #relation to the original text??? i'm not talking about you

[xxsircharlesxx]

This is a random post but like I’m listening to songs from Grease rn and I’m like “what if it’s about Bilbo and Thorin instead??” and now I’ve just replaced the characters in Grease with the hobbit characters and it’s actually entertaining, and I now can’t concentrate on my college work ;-;

Like Thorin would be the dude (can’t remember his name) and Bilbo Sandy, but like not genderbending anyone- so ye

(Probs delete later idk)

#I do this with all films #I just replace them with the hobbit #it’s actually weird but entertaining #bilbo baggins #thorin oakenshield #the hobbit #bagginshield #random thoughts

[bisexualmultifandommess]

I know that in the hobbit group the main duos are Merry and Pippin and Sam and Frodo but I really like reading fanfics or watching edits that switch it up a bit or highlight other friendships.

Like I love seeing fanfics or edits to show Frodo’s relationship with Merry or Pippin as their older cousin and how much they love each other as family and how they protect each other and I also love seeing Merry and Pippin’s relationship with Sam and how much they care for each other despite sometimes annoying each other in the beginning.

#on a side note since he’s my favourite I love reading fics or seeing edits of frodo with other characters too #even ones he hardly speaks too lmao #legolas only said “and you have my bow” to frodo in all the films but I’ve even read fics of them bonding lol #the lord of the rings #lotr #fanfiction #edits #friendship #frodo baggins #samwise gamgee #sam gamgee #meriadoc brandybuck #merry brandybuck #peregrine took #pippin took #the hobbits #the four hobbits

[sunyot]

Cinematic Moments - The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers 2002

#samwise gamgee #samwise the brave #lotr samwise #samwise x frodo #frodo #pippin #gandalf #frodo baggins #hobbits #film #sunyot #sunyotmedia #movies #classic film #filmmaking #movie stills #cinema #the lord of the rings #lord of the rings #lotr #aragorn #gollum #the one ring #sauron #one rings to rules them all

[kaylalikescatsandstuff]

That’s it.

I’ve decided that when I get home from work today I will be taking a shower, wrapping myself in a soft blanket, and then watching one (or more) of the Hobbit/Lord of the Rings films whilst curled in a ball in the darkness of my room.

#but not battle of the five armies #I can’t handle Kíli’s death today #kíli is my boy #comment if you have a recommendation for which film I watch tonight #the hobbit #lord of the rings #lotr #lotr movies #one ring to rule them all

[abutterflyobsession]

I pull out so many random facts about the making of Lord of the Rings that people usually respond with, 'how do you even know that?!'

oh, friend.

my brother, a most pretentious lotr fan, snatched up the extended edition hot off the shelf and for weeks it was the only thing on the tv all day long. I've seen every commentary, every special feature . . . twice. maybe more. I didn't have a choice.

#a butterfly obsesses #I've forgotten so much but still #maybe I just don't hang out with nerdy enough people and the rest of you know all this but: #billy boyd every time Minas Tirith is on the screen: I love Minas Tirith #Dominic Monaghan: shut. up. #sean austin forgot to put his waistcoat on for the scene where they all say farewell to frodo so they had to reshoot the whole thing #everybody had to cry again. but the second recording ended up blurry and they had to reshoot a 3rd time. nobody was happy with sean #when sam shows up to fight shelob his hand and sheathed sword appear first like the start of a duel in a western #that's actually peter jackson's hand #sean austin could 'see' shelob when they were filming those scenes. he could very vividly imagine her. #after he saw some cgi test footage of her he lost the ability to imagine her and had to work to get it back #dominic or billy I forget but one stole a skull from the scenes with the army of the dead #after pirates of the Caribbean came out they had to change the design for the army of the dead because the ghost designs were too similar #they built a huge dead Oliphaunt for the battlefield (peter wanted it to be bigger tho) #the people linking up plastic rings for the chain mail wore away their fingerprints on their pointer fingers and thumbs #they basically thawed a frozen stream so andy serkis could dive in and chase a fish in the ice-cold water #I want to say it was billy boyd who had to get a dental procedure done and opted to do with without being numbed #because he had to shoot a scene right after. however he sweated so much his hobbit feet came off #by the time they were put back on the medication would have worn off anyway #viggo mortensen got part of a front tooth chipped off and wanted to finish the scene before having it fixed but they forced him to go #when auditioning horses for the scene the horse kneels down to let the wounded aragorn get on a horse was disqualified for sit on the dummy #the HUGE ring they used for perspective shots

[mithrandirl]

the hobbit movie(s) needed to be like rogue one was for star wars. a one-off tragic prequel, had some nostalgia but ultimately it was a different story than the other movies. i mean obviously we could go on about the decision to make it into 3 separate movies and still managed to leave out a shit ton of source material but ultimately i think the biggest failure was that it tried to tell the same story as the lotr movies. the hobbit (book) is about courage but it's a different courage than lotr, and it's about pettiness and silliness and stagnation and ego and rot and gold. you lose something when you try to tell a story that isn't there. it's much more of a children's story than lotr, probably better contrasted with a classic knight-dragon-quest story than anything. with a tragic end for some, but also a healing end for others. and i wish that the adaptation had been allowed to be its own thing rather than just lotr 2.0 but with more cgi.

to me the hobbit is about fighting for something that you know isn't going to save the world but you weren't trying to save the world! it's about stumbling through a ridiculous set of scenarios with a bunch of dudes who sing mean songs about you and along the way you learn the power of leadership and craftiness and having a fun time even when you're hungry. and you do it because the weird old guy who used to sell your mom weed fireworks pointed out that your life is kind of boring and wouldn't it be cool to take a little trip and burgle a dragon. it's a smaller story, sure, but it still says interesting things. and pj lost the plot (literally) in the middle. also why were there so many beheadings.

#the hobbit #lotr #it's just like. what were the worst lessons you could learn from the success of the lotr films. ok now double the CGI #i say all of this with love #i enjoy the hobbit movies and some (SOME) additions they made #but the galadriel vs sauron face off is not one of them lol #also i lost count of the beheadings after like 8

[spectralish]

stupide lotr hobbit doodles hh

#recently rewatched all of lotr and hobbit films with my bro and kinda obsessed ngl #i love tolkien silly little world #lotr #lord of the rings #elrond #elrond peredhel #aragorn #aragorn elessar #smaug the dragon #hobbit #bilbo baggins #tolkien #silmarillion #fantasy #art #fanart #digital art #my art #karyagustay #doodles #the hobbit

[thorinds]

“Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps because I am afraid, and he gives me courage.”

#FantasyEdit #TolkienEdit #HobbitEdit #AllHobbitEdit #Film: The Hobbit #The Hobbit: All Films #Bilbo Baggins #Thorin Oakenshield #Bard #Tauriel #And all the rest #M. #Marthe's GIFs

[elliottexists]

fun fact tolkien met aziraphale and wrote bilbo baggins based off of him source: trust me bro

#idk why #but they have the same vibes #they are the same to me #him loving his little house and all his nice little things #willing to do adventurous things to an extent but is always missing home #bear in mind ive only read the hobbit btw i havent watched the films #good omens #aziraphale #good omens aziraphale #the hobbit #bilbo baggins

[gatheryepens]

I watched The Lord of the Rings with my friends today and I’m really enjoying it. We only watched the first two since we didn’t have enough time to watch the last one since it was four hours LMAO. I’m really enjoying the characters and the worldbuilding, if anyone has read the books do you recommend?

#bookblr #booklr #bookish #the lord of the rings #gatherbeingbookish #I probably won’t be reading it anytime soon #since my book scheldule for the next few books is kind of set #so I’ll probably read it around late 2023 maybe early 2024 #<- she says lol #but if anyone’s read the books I’d love to hear your thoughts #I know they are quite lengthy so it will definitely take me a hot minute to read them #but film wise my friends and I are planning on finishing the film next week some time #and maybe starting the hobbit #but had we carried on watching we would’ve finished at like 11pm 😭😭 #trying to soak up all the time we have left before they go off to uni hehe #gatherrambles

[fluffypotatey]

feel free to share your choice and why in the tags!

#not including the hobbit trilogy films just bc imma keep it with the main 3 #anyway my fav is 2 towers #helms deep is my favorite scene just because of the ending where Aragorn uplifts the king of Rohan 🤧 idk man it hits deep #all of them are great tbh but yeah #lotr #lord of the rings #tumblr poll #polls

[eowyneomundsdaughter]

#the lord of the rings #the hobbit #the hobbit trilogy #peter jackson #tolkien #lotr #the desolation of smaug #an unexpected journey #the battle of the five armies #billy boyd #richard armitage #imma be honest i had to get several of these from wikipedia because i don't even remember them #why did all of the diegetic songs end up in the first film? #and then NO ONE EVER SINGS AGAIN #what a weird choice

[tathrin]

📽 action!: rank all six of the films (or three if you're a hater)

Answers for this LotR ask-game.

Ahh okay so at this point I have to confess something terrible: I still have not seen the third Hobbit movie. I'm sorry! I just couldn't do it. The fuckery of it all, especially in the second movie with Mirkwood and Thranduil and Legolas ("a lowly Silvan elf" what the FUCK what the fuck PJ WHAT THE FUCK), was just too much for me. Character-assassination is one thing, and I thought after Denethor I knew what I was going to be getting with Thranduil but NOPE! It was literal world building assassination and I just CANNOT.

Don't get me wrong, Lee Pace did an amazing job and actually seeing Mirkwood was amazing and it was genuinely delightful to see Orlando put those ears on again; but the OuTrAgE that filled my heart at the yeet-ing of what minimal canon we even have for the Mirkwood elves was just intolerable, and while I did mean to go see it, really I did, I just...couldn't actually get the motivation to go before it was out of theatres. I've heard the EE are better (less studio fuckery) so I'll watch them someday! Honest! I just...haven't. yet.

And as to the Lord of the Rings trilogy...man, I don't even know how to do this. In terms of which is the best film, or in terms of which one I enjoy watching most, or in terms of which on hits me in the heart hardest or...? I don't know if I can objectively rank my feelings about these movies even in my own brain because RotK ends with Into the West and I have FeelingsTM about the Undying Lands and Sea Longing okay. So the last scene of RotK at the Grey Havens is a fucking spear through the heart every time and I can't even describe the knot of feelings it engenders, and I think overall TTT may be my favorite but also it has Plot Issues that piss me off even more than the Plot Issues in RotK I think,...yeah, we're going to do this in terms of Film Crafting rather than personal favorites because I'm having too many feelings lmao. So! In order of most-well-done-movie to least:

Fellowship of the Ring

The Two Towers

Return Of The King

The Desolation of Smaug

An Unexpected Journey

#look there are some REALLY LOVELY MOMENTS in the hobbit movies #(all three of them; i've seen enough stuff floating around the internet to know that even about the one i haven't actually seen lmao) #but the ratio of beautiful moments to what-the-fuckery is just so skewed to the latter #and the cartoonish unreality of most of the effects do NOT help #it's like somebody watched the mumakil bit from rotk and went ''more of that but dial it up to eleventy-one!'' and i just... #do y'all know how FUCKING EXCITED i was to see the White Council??? #to see GALADRIEL? #to see sauron thrown out of dol guldur? TO SEE THE WHITE COUNCIL!??? #because as soon as i heard ''three movies'' i knew I KNEW (i hoped) that they had to be adding that it #because how the fuck else were they going to pad-out that tiny little book into three whole movies? OBVIOUSLY with the white council!!! #and then...we got a chase scene in the mines that made the podracing look like it deserved an oscar #and the most cringe-inducingly-artificial cgi armies at war that i think i've ever seen even IN video games #it was like watching galactic battlegrounds middle-earth edition wtf #did y'all literally just make one elf and one dwarf and copy-past them a million times into the scene wtffffff #but i still need to make it clear that i DO love the good bits that's what makes the bad parts hurt so much! #like: does the fact that the elves coming to helm's deep make no sense and also VANISH from the plot as soon as it's over irritate me? YES! #but the battle itself is filmed with so much HEART that i don't care I DON'T CARE #i still cheer at ''no orc horn'' i still weep at haldir's death (GODS that MUSIC!) i still watch the whole thing RAPT and ENTHRALLED #but 80% of the hobbit's actions scenes don't DO anything they're just empty pixels with less purpose than the droid factory on geonosis #and there should be SO MUCH HEART because that's WHAT TOLKIEN IS auuuughhhhhh #and the fact that they missed the entire fucking EVERYTHING about MIRKWOOD of all fucking places...! UGH #DO YOU KNOW HOW AMAZING THESE ACTORS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THESE ROLES IF THEY'D ACTUALLY BEEN FILMING THIS STORY??? PJ WHY! #lotr movies #hobbit movies #middle earth asks