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Errors, “Errors,” and Animorphs
So in a different post I ranted about how a tiny non-distracting unfixable difference between two shirts is not an error in Jurassic Park.  IMHO, a continuity gap is only an error if:
It draws attention to itself and distracts the audience
It could’ve been fixed pretty easily in-story
It makes character, plot, or setting nonsensical
Animorphs has continuity gaps of its own.  And I have opinions about what we readers do and do not count as “error.”  First, an example that’s clearly an error:
I wondered if Tobias had heard my thought. I concentrated. Tobias, can     you hear me?
«Yeah,» he said, «I hear you.»
“Did you hear my thoughts before that?” I asked.
«No, I don’t think it works that way.  You have to think at me for me to     hear.»
—#1: The Invasion
Tobias briefly hearing Jake thought-speak in #1 breaks the rules of the setting; several other books (#2, #23, #31, #33, #46) clearly state that it’s impossible to thought-speak if one is human and not in morph.  It’s an easy fix; the re-releases and audiobooks delete this moment, and the graphic novel makes Tobias unable to hear Jake.  It distracts the audience; I’ve gotten 5 or 6 separate asks over the years of people going “I was rereading #1, and the weirdest thing...” It’s an error.  I can’t say what happened behind the scenes — K.A. Applegate toyed with a thread that was later dropped, or decided to introduce a limitation for plot fuel at a later time.  But it’s an error.
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Second, an example that I don’t think counts as an error:
I returned to my life, feeling strange and out of place. That night Jake came over. We went outside.
"I tried morphing the Tyrannosaurus," he said. "Nothing. Didn't work."
"You could ask Ax. He may know why."
Jake laughed. "Yeah, but even if he explains it, I still won't understand it."
—MM2: In the Time of the Dinosaurs [Cassie’s narration]
The kids not being able to morph dinosaurs outside of the Cretaceous Era makes a lot of sense in context.  The whole book series would fundamentally change if they could use T. rex — that would become heavily a favored morph for many of them.  It kicks off all kinds of plot questions that demand answers: Where do the controllers think the “andalite bandits” got dino DNA? What anti-dinosaur measures would they be forced to adopt? Would the Animorphs’ whole strategy change around having those morphs? How would Rachel feel about everyone but Tobias suddenly having a much stronger morph than her? Would they even bother with contemporary animal morphs afterward?
If the kids are morphing dinosaurs all the time after ~#18, then the series loses a lot of its uniqueness.  Applegate has said that most of the inspiration for the series was about trying to help kids understand what it would really be like to be inside an animal mind, with as many animals as possible.  That’s part of why so many of the plots hinge on giving the Animorphs an excuse to learn a new morph (e.g. #4, #17, #27, #47, #52) so that we can experience the coolness right along with them.  That’s why the war is explicitly about fighting for Earth, nonhumans and all (#7, #23, #53).  If it’s not a menagerie of six different critters — including one immigrant from space — rolling up to battle, then it’s not Animorphs. No, it makes no dang sense that sario rip morphs stop working once the rip gets unripped.  But the series acknowledges it, and it allows us both to have a unique animal-based story (dinosaurs! Heckin dinosaurs!) without ruining its own premise.
Third, one that I find fascinating because it’s kind of right on the margin:
"What I don't get is why I have to be a girl wolf," Marco grumbled.
"We had one male and one female," Cassie explained for the tenth time. "If two of us morphed into the male, we'd have two males. Two male wolves might decide they had to fight for dominance."
"I could control it," Marco said.
"Marco, you and Jake already fight for dominance, and you're just ordinary guys," Rachel pointed out.
—#3: The Encounter
Later, Tobias’s narration uses the word “alpha” to describe Jake’s morphed behavior — howling and peeing to mark territory, challenging another wolf pack to protect his own.
There is scientific consensus right now, as of the 2020s, that the term “alpha” is an inaccurate descriptor of pack-lead behavior, and that dominance fights between adult males are almost nonexistent.  That although wolves usually run in a phalanx-like shape with one middle-aged male and female at the point, this isn’t the result of dominance fights but rather an effort to have the physically strongest wolves absorb blows from rogue prey animals or rival predators.  That the dominance fights observed in captive wolves in the 1970s were the result of an ecology error, putting wolves from rival packs into single enclosures.  Fox (1972, 1973) gave a reasonably accurate description of how wolves behave if you put a bunch of adult strangers in a zoo together: the young adult males fight, the winner of that fight wins first access to food, and the mate of the winner gets the most resources for her puppies.
However, time rolls forward, and advances like hidden cameras (and the resurgence of wild wolf populations) allow us to watch wolves without needing to capture them first.  Mech (1999) follows some such wolves around, and quickly realizes that dominance and submission aren’t nearly as important among wolves who chose to make a pack.  Stahler et al. (2002) figure out a better way to introduce stranger wolves in captivity, and get full cooperation among young adult males.  Nowadays drones and radio collars get 1000s of times the wolf data Fox had to work with, and reveal intense cooperation with little more than play-fighting among puppies.
The Encounter comes out 1997.  Mech publishes the first big takedown of the alpha concept 1999.
Did an error occur anywhere in this process?
No, in that Applegate presumably doesn’t own a Time Matrix and published a book based on the scientific consensus at the time about how wolf social dynamics worked.
Yes, in that the error is pretty distracting — I get drawn up short by it every time I reread #3, and I know others have too.
No, in that the error was corrected in the graphic novel adaptation.
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Yes, in that the error is still present in the audiobook, and Michael Crouch delivers the moment about Jake being backed into a dominance fight with all of Tobias’s exasperated humor.
No, in that the error allows for some character moments, both silly (Jake peeing on trees) and sweet (Jake being ready to take on an entire rival pack alone, over a rabbit he doesn’t want).
Yes, in that the error takes away from one of the series’ most fundamental purposes, to educate kids about animals.
Anyway, books are great, science is imperfect, and I think the more we all engage with amateur criticism the more we’re all going to learn about what counts as an error in fiction writing with inspiration in scientific reality.
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nephilimeq · 7 months
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Hey, I was just wondering what age you thought Derek was in season one? Cause it’s a heavily debated and unknown piece of information. Me personally I always thought he was 19 in the pilot, and this was before I had read anything about the writers wanting him to be that age in the pilot. It was just the way he acted, to me, it doesn’t seem like a mid-20s man. Also stiles says the fire happened “ like ten years ago” but then a few episodes later Peter says he’s been in a coma for 6 years. So I was just curious what you thought. Also stiles saying that is always made out to be taken as it literally happened exactly ten years ago, and people always bring it up but they never talk about how long Peter said it had been.
Sorry if this is long I just enjoy your blog and your thoughts. I wanted to share mine while also hearing it from your perspective. Hope you have a wonderful day, you deserve it!
This is a very tricky subject to handle, because the writers made mistakes in their own timeline so they switched things around.
But in the very first episode Stiles says that Derek is only a few years older than them. I always figured that Derek was around 19 in Season 1, while Stiles was 16.
The reason why they messed everything up so horribly is because they hadn't actually created a timeline for all the events when they started writing, and to me, it made the show feel like a fan fiction writer who was just making it up as they went and then all the reviewers were saying, "Hey, you have a few continuity errors," and instead of trying to make it work, they just made something up and didn't really try to go back and adjust anything.
There's a scene that happens when Stiles is asking Peter and Cora about Derek's past (Season 3, Episode 8 "Visionary"), and he is trying to find out how old they are, and this train wreck section of dialogue occurs:
Stiles: Okay, if Derek was a sophomore back then, how old was he? How old were you? ...How old are you now? Peter: Not as young as we could have been, but not as old as you might think. Stiles: Okay, that was frustratingly vague. How old are you? Cora: I'm seventeen. Stiles: See, that's an answer. That's how we answer people. Cora: Well, seventeen how you'd measure in years. Stiles: Alright, I'm just gonna drop it.
This dialogue made me so pissy when I heard it the first time because I knew that this was the writers' response to the viewers and fans. The fans are Stiles in this conversation, and the writers are Peter and Cora being purposely "frustratingly vague" in the hopes that we'll just "drop it", which a lot of us did because they wouldn't give us any straight answers.
They messed up and they know it.
In my head canon -- because it makes the most sense to me -- Derek is three years older than them. Canonically, Derek is actually only ten days older than me, as seen in this enhanced screencap right here (from Season 1, Episode 11, where Kate has him kidnapped and held up in chains):
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So according to this he would have been around 22, about to turn 23 in the first season...but here's something to take into consideration. This driver's license isn't for California -- it's for New York. I have a theory that he got a professional fake I.D. so that he could do more jobs (such as bartending) while he was out of state.
Now, when Stiles mentions the fire was "like, ten years ago," I genuinely think that he was just generalizing. Derek was sixteen when Kate took advantage of him raped him, which means that the fire happened when Stiles was around twelve/thirteen (as he has a canonically April 8th birthday, so it all depends on the months).
Regarding anything Peter might have said...please remember that it has been firmly established in the show that Peter is an unreliable narrator. Stiles openly admits that to Cora in the previously mentioned Season 3, Episode 8, "Visionary".
A lot of these issues are because of the lack of consistency from the writers.
I think the biggest problem was when they cast a younger Peter and totally threw the timelines off, trying to make him only a few years older than Derek -- which he wasn't. Peter is Derek's uncle, for crying out loud! The man would have been in his late twenties, early thirties when Derek was a teen, barely looking any different than he does in the show...and yet the writers and producers thought that making him look almost like a teenager was the right call.
I do think it was a last ditch attempt to try and make Derek waaay older than Stiles because they didn't like the shipping -- but they had already established too much of their timeline at that point and simply messed up and didn't have the guts to admit it.
Simply put, I genuinely think Derek was nineteen and turned twenty during season one.
Hope that answers your questions, anon!
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stra-tek · 9 months
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"I once performed a c-section on a pregnant Gorn and let me tell you, those little bastards bite!"
Just try and make sense of this after what Strange New Worlds established about Gorn reproduction😂
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pythagoras180 · 6 months
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pippin-katz · 2 months
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Alright I need some fucking input here, so reblog the shit out of this poll please so it gets more votes
Please, PLEASE vote on this cause I need to know! I know that I must be in the minority, but I need to know just how small of a minority it is!! I’m losing my mind a little bit lmfao
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“I’ve never been this far out” says the “man” who’s been outside of the universe.
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saltysplayt00ns · 6 months
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Author Weaseling their narratives.
I want to state this now before it leaves my brain, just a small penny of thought. After pages are uploaded and the Author not using a script. He will IMMEDITALTY try to cover up the holes and fix it the next pages or so. Then messes up continuity along those lines.
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Yes, cause that's better to wait it out then do anything at all. Ranach and Avanti can sneak in the territory during the night and wait to slaughter EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. The territory of meteor is vast with minimum eyes, they can't keep watch for 24/7 simultaneously. Like for one, When the Avanti beast came into Home and everyone questioned why he didn't just kill the meteor tribe?? Kiq. made pages to answer the question to the audience, literally Him telling the audience why something is not logically going or going against what doesn't make sense - ya feel me??
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I would think knowing a family member dying, would pushed you to make sure your other family member is over their safe, you literally stated it to Rhovanion of them being an oppressive tribe and dangerous group. When Everyone questioned Why Roamer didn't go help Ronja and save her from a inbreeding, oppressing, Sexual assaulting, tribe instead of going swimming and hanging out in midnight guard. Kique had to make an excuse for it.
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CH. 13 PG 807 & 809 - Yes, let us give more justification for the tribe to easily state the capitol ' meteor is killing members left and right again' to have the matriarch to annihilate them on the spot. Good idea guys. Have majority of the Tribes' who hates meteor with tangible proof and track record to put more endangerment over Ronja's pups. I might as well left the group after that with Javo, Galti and Alva.
Another is when Roamer murdered bear dog and when people got hurt about that he tried to justify it and praise the Garystu characters. more so having Ronja not do anything cause Roamer literally been disobedient the moment he got separated from the pack and followed two strangers the beginning of Home. Also stopped people from commenting cause he didn't like people pointing it out. He did it before of killing dogs or shunning hem to Justify they are BAD , they are the VILLAINS when they're anything but that. Jonna. Kargo before his death. Fairikh. Ruan. Aira etc. Let me remind you that kique doesn't have a script, and when he does it's by volunteers before he burns the bridges with them and then back to square one again. He has a Patreon that the pages are ahead of the public, so he can produce pages to cover tracks before they present to the public. He already probably doing one now or has not made the pages to Justify the ' Golden ' Lioness to give a starting couple a child without consent. It's already bad when you have to prove what's morally wrong to be right or worse to romanticized it. What's sad the hybrid cubs will be brushed off.
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CH. 12 PG 738 & 739
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CH. 11 PG 607 & 608
Ronja's kids have been on the way-side and we have only have scenes when Roamer needs comfort involving when Rogio is NOT there or Ronja is involved to do parenting. If this is supposed to be just a slice of life type of comic, I would like to see something that pertains it and not dragged stupidity, and teenage drama on fully grown adults. Diarko now in the mix will be forgotten, cause his purpose was to save Rogio and Kargo. Now to be a child to 3 dogs that are NOT FIT TO BE PARENTS, NOR METEOR and he already has a mother. The author probably already has a page to Have his mother who has a high distrust of dogs and practically everyone else, leaving their only cub to a bunch of strangers. I don't need to look at the blur page of patreon to know he already has one, the repetitive pattern of evidence is on the Public pages on it's own will suffice. She's literally going to a decent tribe in the beaches so why not bring her son with him??!! where she knows they're Safe?? like that's not how mothers and maternity instincts work. The only reason Diarko stays is because the author wants his toxic, soon to be Poly to have a kid around and have them look good, a means to look like saints. It's very obvious its going to be poly, there is too many signs to show it and Rogio is that much of a possessive, manipulative prick to have Roamer and Kargo under his paws.
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He did it to Ranach,
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CH. 7 PG 293 & CH. 9 356 - Yeah, its all Kargos fault despite Ferah and Rogio was there and kept the secret too. Plus Ferah is the one to start it , but since Kargo had a heart to be honest, he gets the short end of the stick and labeled a bastard. He did to Roamer...
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Trust me y'all there's a lot more of these of Ronja seeking Rogio for mostly everything. I guess Vandi, Kargo and Ferah don't hold much weight. Soon it'll be the Larpdog of Whispervale, cause Ronja can't think for herself as a leader. ...and Ronja might as well make Rogio a Leader cause she's laying it on him for everything even to the voice of reason. He's literally a Garystu with plot amour. How does everyone not know anything but Rogio does? I rather trust Vandi and Vigr over Rogio - heck take Shiverfall Eopi.Could easily take the trip their and bring Diarko along so he can visit his mother and not be forgotten.
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Shiverfall tribe is BIGGER then meteor, meteor literally did Nothing - NOTHING to show it's a safe place to be. Ronja, Roamer, Rogio, Kargo should know that, The mother is Blind - BLIND!! FOR PETE'S SAKE and it makes me so damn upset that she can't see it and the tribe is not going to tell her and put her only son in danger with a falling tribe. Because everyone is going to be happy and ' d'awww' of Diarko staying with the OTP3.
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Akleja already is also forgotten and just in the background in silence without knowing much of who they are as an individual, except they are Vandi's X Fuss's pup and were the first pup to be born free which should be a VERY BIG THING. You need more then just putting traits in Wiki cause a lot of the traits don't correlate to the Webcomic. He probably already doing and did pages to not make Feaf look bad and answer why Zahira and Raimos didn't have the kids. ----- He has done it countless times and has edited pages to Justify them under people's noses and they don't bat an eye of it.
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skeletondanc3r · 8 months
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Should the fact that I'm counting increments in alarm clock times and working nearly unnoticeable continuity errors into lore be concerning or is it a good thing I'm doing my homework?
Should I write a paragraph on how it's possible Lord Hater's closet door overlaps with his bedroom entrance in multiple separate episodes?
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(Bedroom door in front of bed ^)
(Also happens in The Prisoner when we're first introduced to his room)
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(Closet door in front of bed ^)
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kind of silly but a continuity error that's always bothered me in s2 of young royals is when sara sleeps with august for the first time, her bra changes colours from when she sleeps with august to the next scene over she changes in the bathroom having just come back from his room lol
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rypnami · 11 months
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ever notice how in the first few scenes with seb his wand is so dark brown it’s almost black, but in most of the game after the library scene it’s a much lighter colour? almost a white birch shade.
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What is an “error” anyway?
So this image, which is going around my social media because the robots know I like Jurassic Park, has got me thinking about what counts as a movie mistake.  Because... is this an error?  Is it really?
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[Image ID: Three panels.  The top one is a screenshot of actress Ariana Richards as Lex, wearing a purple ball cap and a purple tank top with a paisley print, standing next to actors Sam Neill and Laura Dern. The middle panel has the text “Jurassic Park/ Different tank top, though same style”. The bottom panel is a screenshot of the same scene, but there is a different paisley pattern on Richards’s tank top. Indigo circles emphasize the difference.]
The pattern changes, but within two shirts so similar it looks like they were literally cut from the same cloth.  If I had to guess, either Ariana Richards grew during filming (kids do that) or Version 1 of the tank top got sacrificed to the scenes where Lex is soaked in mud, so Version 2 had to be used.
So: is this an error? I say no.  It doesn’t draw attention to itself — in fact, it took 30 years for someone to spot it in one of the most-watched movies on the planet.  It doesn’t "break” any plots or characters — the in-universe explanation can be that Lex changed shirts after being around dino poop.  It doesn’t have an obvious fix, since it certainly looks like an effort was made to match the shirts as close as possible.  So is this a mistake, or is it just a sign that this was a sci fi movie and not documentary footage?
By contrast, the most-known error in Jurassic Park has to do with the tyrannosaurus enclosure, and is pretty obvious.  The T. rex walks through a defunct electric fence, moving across a slight slope to enter the road, in the movie’s most famous scene.
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[Image ID: A screenshot of a T. rex puppet pushing through the wires of a fence, looking down and to her left at one of two Jurassic Park branded cars stopped in front of her.]
However, when Lex and Dr. Grant flee the T. rex’s wrath (or rather her idle curiosity), they do so by going into her enclosure — which takes them off a 100-foot drop.
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[Image ID: Screenshot of Ariana Richards and Sam Neill covered in mud and crouching at the front of one of the cars, between posts of the fence the T. rex just crossed.  Behind them in the enclosure, there is a sharp dropoff with several fence wires falling out of sight.]
This is clearly an error.  It “breaks” the reality of the movie, because the landscape couldn’t have just changed off-screen.  The characters’ actions make some sense, since they’re trying to go where the T. rex is not (the movie cut the plot with the two tyrannosaurs being trans lesbians who raise several nests together, so they’re only fleeing “a T. rex”).  But the story world itself has stopped making sense.  It pulls you out of the movie, enough that you might be tempted to rewind a few seconds to be sure you didn’t miss something.  Plus, this is a huge set piece; you can’t exactly overlook the changes.
It still achieves cool effects — the most-loved scene in the movie is the dino causally wandering up to roll the cars, while the protagonists are at their most helpless and terrified because they’re in the world’s largest cat toy and they’re the kibble.  The following escape is also hella cool, because it pulls the action-story trick of having characters interact with environments in unexpected ways.  And the discrepancy between the two is fixable, just by having Lex and Grant enter a different enclosure.  Change the framing of a few shots so that the T. rex tosses the car across the road, instead of behind her, then show Lex and Grant running across as well.  Or even just add a bit of dialogue; have Grant yell “No, that’s the triceratops pen!” and Lex say “Timmy’s down there!”  Either way, it can establish that they’re climbing down a different wall than the one the T. rex just stepped over.  So it’s a nifty scene, but that’s definitely an error.
On the spectrum of purple tank-top nonentities to retaining wall reality-breakers, the size-changing table is somewhere in the middle.  It’s a scene late in the movie where Hammond is eating the ice cream before it melts and Dr. Sattler interrogates his motivation.  They’re sitting at opposite ends of a super-long table, a classic movie trick to convey psychological distance.
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[Image ID: Screenshot of Richard Attenborough and Laura Dern sitting at far ends of an 8-seater banquet table.  There are several open tubs of ice cream and lit candles sitting on the table near Richard Attenborough.]
And then midway through the scene, in a concession to Hammond’s point of view, Sattler leans forward and grabs the spoon out of the nearest ice cream tub... and it seems like impossibly far for her to reach.
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[Image ID: Screenshot of Laura Dern with a spoon in her mouth, from the same scene at the banquet table.]
It feels like the scene accidentally used a too-small table to film, or like Sattler has 10-foot arms.  But if you look closely, it is possible to reach out and grab that closest spoon from where Laura Dern is sitting.  So this might not be a literal shrinking table... but it feels like the table is too big for Sattler and Hammond to share ice cream.  The earlier shots framed the table to look so huge, the characters so isolated, and the two chairs so distant the ice cream both is ~4 feet away from Sattler and looks half a room away.
So: is this an error? I say yes.  In the same sense that a too-complex plot resolution can be a deus ex machina.  Not because the author actually hand-waved the problems, but because the audience can’t follow the solution.  Harry Potter technically sets up the thing where Voldemort just drops dead at the end, but the series spends so much time making his threat feel insurmountable, and the in-universe explanation for his death is so convoluted, that it sure feels like he kicks the bucket for no reason.  Similarly, the ice cream scene in Jurassic Park pulls off the “we’re so far away” forced perspective so well that bridging that distance feels literally impossible.  But if you just move the camera back a tiny bit as Sattler grabs that spoon, the error disappears.
So.  It’s an error (according to me) if:
It draws attention to itself and distracts the audience
It could’ve been fixed pretty easily in-story
It makes character, plot, or setting nonsensical
Pattern-shifting tank tops aren’t distracting, don’t “break” the story, and have no clear fix.  Not an error, IMDB, not in my book.  Shape-changing tables distract, feel like character discontinuity, and have an easy fix.  Someone tell Mr. Spielberg I have notes.
This is all building to a point about Animorphs, because I’m always building to a point about Animorphs, but I’ll save that for a different post because this one’s too long already.
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justellie-b · 8 months
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Was talking about continuity errors with @do-it-for-the-fandom and told her I just came across one recently. Here it is! See if you can spot it haha
Hint: it’s to do with Kate
btw, how cute is this scene 🥹 Castle is sitting at Kate’s spot while Kate is at his 🤍
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pratchettquotes · 1 year
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"Hold on, hold on...how can you take a piece of, oh, some old century, and stitch it into a modern one? Wouldn't people notice that..." Susan flailed a bit, "oh, that people have got the wrong armor and the buildings are all wrong, and they're still in the middle of wars that happened centuries ago?"
IN MY EXPERIENCE, SUSAN, WITHIN THEIR HEADS TOO MANY HUMANS SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THE MIDDLE OF WARS THAT HAPPENED CENTURIES AGO.
"Very insightful, but what I meant was--"
Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time
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callmeshin · 1 month
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Okay, but I genuinely think it's lazy writing that we don't get to see the All Human Council in Mass Effect 2 if you choose to kill the Council at the end of ME1. I can understand why we wouldn't see them if you choose Udina as the first Human Councilor but ... like ... IDK.. But what makes it stupid is that we don't even hear about them in Mass Effect 3? It's genuinely almost as if there never actually was an "All Human Council" in the first place?? And hell ... you can still technically have an "All Human Council" and still choose Anderson as your choice for the first ever Human Councilor if you go ... like ... 100% Renegade.
With all of that being said, why have this as an option if you're going to completely disregard them in ME3?? Were they ... like ... completely thrown out because the entirety of the Citadel did a big ass petition and threatened to remove them via a Universal Citadel Constitution or something?? Why doesn't Udina mention any of this in ME3 since he's all pro-human and talks about how the Council refuses to listen to them??
Now I could be completely overlooking information but it just makes zero sense to me at the end of the day if you were to kill the Council and go the 100% Renegade route having an All Human Council. I'm just saying.
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earhartsease · 8 months
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literally one second between these shots in the Buffy S01 ep I Robot, You Jane
always makes us laugh because they're both wrong - her canon dob is 19th January 81
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clairedelune-13 · 8 months
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I don’t know if this has bothered anyone else, but at the beginning of episode 2, Aziraphale goes “Oooh! It’s you! I haven’t seen you since the flood.”
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But during that time, Crowley still goes by “Crawley”. He doesn’t specify that he’s changed it until they meet up again at Christ’s crucifixion. And he’s not wearing his sunglasses, either.
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In 2x02, Crowley clearly goes by “Crowley” now and is wearing sunglasses, as well…
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This has to just be an inconsistency. Don’t tell me it isn’t, cuz every human creation has imperfections. Even masterpieces like GO.
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