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#she's someone who should never be redeemed. she should always be plotting
lecoindecachou · 5 months
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I might be the only one but I always enjoy whenever Shadow Weaver is in a scene.
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During the talk with Phir Sē, it comes up that he has a daughter when he tells Taylor about how keenly aware he is of what he could be sacrificing to kill Behemoth.
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And it's very odd to me that she's a hero, when her father is one of the men so monstrous that he's used as evidence for why the PRT should stick around. It's almost like the stereotypical superhero show plot where the plucky protagonist hero learns their dad is Doctor Evilman or whatever, but this is Worm. Later in the conversation Phir Sē reveals that he sacrificed family before in a similar scenario
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And I can't help but feel that him sacrificing his wife and sons is connected to his daughter being a hero? Like imagine being her, and seeing your dad refuse to save the rest of your family because of the greater good. He could effortlessly step backwards in time but he stands there while their corpses cool instead. That could definitely crack a rift between them and cause his daughter to join the heroes in a desperate attempt to prove that you can save everyone. Hell, I could even see her dad letting her family die being a trigger event. And she's specifically one of the bright and popular heroes, one of the campy flashy ones like Mouse Protector. How much of that is because she can't bear to let herself be anything less than the ideal of a hero, because she can't stomach the thought of being someone who has to make a sacrifice like her father? Phir Sē says he'll live the rest of his life down in his bunker mourning her if he fails, but I think he's already been doing that. He's been consumed by the guilt of who he left in the past and how that ruined his only tie left, and he wants to do something that justifies his existence. If he kills Behemoth, the world celebrates, people are saved, and maybe his daughter will talk to him again. If not, he keeps living as he always has, alone and crippled by the weight of his actions.
I wonder how he felt, in his last moments. The bomb didn't kill the Endbringer, and Behemoth hunted down his bunker and killed him. He had to have seen that it survived, and while maybe he didn't fail so hard he vaporized the country, he didn't redeem himself, he didn't save anyone. He'll never know that his actions weakened Behemoth enough for Scion to finish the job, from his perspective he lost. I wonder if his daughter survived, and if she knows what he did to tip the scales of the battle. Would she even mourn him, assuming he caused her trigger and she knows he let her family die?
He liked Weaver because she reminded him of himself with her ruthless pragmatism and ability to make the hard choices, while also reminding him of his daughter with her idealistic nature. I think he saw a version of himself in her, one that didn't end up isolated in a bunker with no family left. One that has hope and still kept the humanity he feels he lost. She talks to him about working together with others, communicating, and he doesn't think it's something that's possible, he thinks humanity is a "wretched, petty species" and that infighting and lack of coordination would prevail even against an Endbringer. And I think he's right in thinking Taylor is like a younger version of him, because that's exactly what happens during Gold Morning until she makes them work together. He would feel vindicated, seeing Khepri.
Honestly I really wish he survived, he's such an interesting character and I would love to see more of him beyond a single random Tohu face. Most of this is headcanon but like, I think it fits pretty well, so who knows maybe it's the intended subtext.
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Vivzepop will always be the biggest issue with her own show if she doesn't change. And i'm not saying that because I desperately want to shit on her but rather because it's so clear that her attitude is what made Hazbin Hotel be so dissapointing after the long wait. The pilot released four years ago and Viv had these characters for much longer than that. One could assume that with this much time on her hands she would have a concise plan for how a series of her story would play out (I can imagine that having an own show is a dream for lots of creative people out there). And I get that that plan might get screwed up by a shorter episode count then expected, but she should be the one who knows her story best and who should know what stuff could also be cut out. The first season of Hazbin Hotel is so incredibly overstuffed with characters and plot that it completely looses the main premise the show was originally pitched with (the idea of a hotel were sinners are redeemed. As it is now the hotel is really not important at all). People have talked endlessly about how Viv can't handle criticism and it really sucks because criticism is one of the best ways to improve your writing, drawings, music etc. Without criticism you won't refine the thing you're working on in a meaningful way. Of course it feels bad when you put something out there you wanted to share and then people critique it, but that's part of pretty much every creative journey, or atleast it should be and Vivzepop shouldn't get a pass from this just because she doesn't like it. And there are great shows, movies or books that are rarely or almost never criticised. But the artists behind these works probably went trough years of honing what they do by being criticised for the stuff they put out. And I don't want to say that Vivzepop didn't work hard to make Hazbin Hotel, but it is hard to claim that she improves in her craft, when everytime someone says they don't like her show she throws a hissy fit. She wants the same reactions that these other amazing pieces of media get without ever listening to criticism. Which she sees as a personal attack rather than a tool that could help her to achieve the same level of writing prowess the creators behind media like that have. She believes she is already on the same level as them, just because she basically shuts anyone out who disagrees with her. There's this clip at the end of a Drew Gooden Video which I think sums up the situation with Viv pretty good (the Video is called "Leaving the YouTube Bubble"). He is talking about Lily Singh and her talk show but I feel like a lot of the stuff he says about handling criticism applies to Vivzepop as well.
(you might have to turn up the audio).
Unprofessional behaviour like that might be excusable when the creator is pretty young or they are interacting with publicity for the first time really. But neither of that applies to Viv. And Hazbin Hotel isn't just an indie animation pilot on youtube anymore. It's now a fully realized show created with a pretty prominent studio on a major streaming network and it should be held to the same standards as other shows or movies alike (not saying indie animation or animation on youtube doesn't have a standard but with more budget and support, there's obviously going to be different expectations for the show now). There have been issues in Helluva Boss and the Hazbin Hotel pilot ever since their release which could've been handled with more time and the new show. But Vivzepop shows time and time again that she isn't willing to listen to people who criticise her, which could actually lead to her show getting better. I don't like Viv or her work a lot. I think she is incredibly unprofessional and she has done her fair share of questionable or problematic stuff, which often leads to issues in her shows. There have been some characters I like, some songs or scenes that were pretty well done, very cool animation and an actually interesting premise on paper in HH and HB. There are things that make me come back to these shows to watch the next episode. And i'm obviously passionate enough about these shows to make whole posts about what I think was done badly and what could be changed. But for the aspects of HH or HB I enjoy, there are soo many more problems I have with it. Problems that won't go away unless Viv stops seeing every criticism as a personal attack. Because if Vivzepop doesn't stop acting like her writing is some unreachable stuff that needs no changes I don't really see a point in assuming that these shows will ever get better.
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i-bring-crack · 14 days
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To be fair I did have a lot more expectation on the mother daughter relationship that could have been shown between Chameleon and Zhen because the past three stories have always been about father and son relationships, which had been well done, so I kinda expected their first female one to be done just as well. In some aspects I liked the concept but it also lacked a lot of scenes that would have fit well with the stablished quota. In my part it would have been nice to see it as a reverse Soothsayer and Shen dynamic, but explored through a different complex dynamic. As if, instead of the child turning evil due to their rebellion, it is the parent(and master) who has become corrupted with trying to achieve as much power as possible in order to protect their children. Someone who had at first a noble attitude and was resilient to the struggles she faced (she was short, she was weak. I dont mean to completely take away her backstory in kfp 4 , especially with how much the people on the team tried so hard to put aomething out there), no matter how much it hurt she was still going to become strong enough to protect those she loved, but she slwoly started to succumb to the ambition of power that her own reasons dissipated with time and greed over what others had that she didn't.
And Zhen could have followed on her footsteps for a long amount of time, thinking that well, Chamaeleon is her protector so of course she should be grateful despite the horrible things she does to protect them, just like in the og kfp4 (but not just looting or being the boss of a gang but maybe actively being just as bad as Lord Shen in a different way. Like, Chamaeleon killing so many heroes because she saw them as a threat and they saw her as a threat too, that entire villages lost their protection and even their lives against her troops.) And whenever or not Zhen should be redeemed is another case of its own so ill leave that out of the window. (Mainly bc that new dragon succesor could be interesting, but i feel like it should have been executed later faaaar later and not broken so many plot holes.)
If she gets to be redeemed then (for me for me) i think the trip would have been the last knot or the breaking point to the suspivion that Zhen would have had a long time ago. Maybe her resolution to go against her mother would be sealed when she started to notice that Chameleon no longer cared for her or the family she had protected for so long, even going so far as endangering them for the sake of obtaining more power.
That betrayal would not only reinforce the fact that Zhen would have been so loyal to her mother that not even the dragon warrior would have changed her ways in a simple trip, but also the fact that she had to expirience the horrible side of her own mother to understand even just a hint of what so many people had been afraid of for years. I wish Zhen could have been able to sympathise with someone over that; over having a strict parent who was the only person that wanted to care for you and you owned them the world for that (cough Tai lung cough—) but at the end of the day it felt crushing that you wouldnt be able to meet their expectations (in the case of zhen she didnt become a sorcerer and instead a martial artist, and also betrayal). It would have hurt, and well maybe Po or Shifu himself (in the kidnapped situation they had planned before im going way too divergent) would have told her that the actions of her parents are not her own fault.
Chameleon had chosen to go on a darker path on her own. (I would either like to put it that the chance was there but also wasnt, like she was already strong enough to be respected at some point but her descend to madness blinded her to anything but getting revenge on everyone who thought she was weak. Maybe showing the story of the chameleon through Zhen's eyes and slowly getting to doubt something as time goes on but never truly questions it. As a watcher you CAN see how she is slowly becoming evil, but Zhen had lived with the idea that this was how it always had been.)
But Zhen, probably throught the story finding out the extent of the horrible things her mother had done and not being able to excuse it, as well as being shown the possible chances that there were in life which her mother couldnt afford, realized she had to break that cycle right where it started and put an end to her mother's schemes before anyone else got hurt in the same way they both did. (Because like, Chameleon incidentally letting innocents die for her gains, had become the things she resented and trjed to destroy.)
(Im probably going to do another long post of things i would like to ramble about kung fu panda four, and no hate to the artists that worked on the show. Just like a pinch of salt thrown mostly at certain people but i still get it. From the beggining it was going to be a mess. BUT i liked the pitched in ideas in the interview with the co director and my little dumb brain likes expanding upon weird niche topics so—
I could be nitpicky of other things but the first 3 had been so centered around the relationships of fathers, from strict to spoiled to wise to absent and more, that well, i did WANT to expect a lot of the mother relations when its a trope that has so so many ways to be explored and it DID have a chance through the concepts (a chameleon, supoosedly weak and short and not being able to do kung fu trying to spraise a child [who knows kung fu where did she even learn it??] In a horrible enviroment who doesnt care for them both LIKE PLEASE. Of course i would be interested.)
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lia-land · 2 months
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A Court of Silver Flames
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3/5 stars
Spoilers for A Court of Silver Flames*
How this book made it past an editor is beyond me.
I read a review where someone said that this book felt like reading smut about a cousin and I couldn’t agree more. I can’t connect with Nesta. She will always just be Feyre’s sister to me and not a main character as she was supposed to be in this book. I feel like we were set up to dislike her in the earlier books and that dislike was set in stone for me.
This was kind of like a long fan fiction and had the same vibe as A Court of Frost anf Starlight because there wasn’t a strong plot and it read like A Court of Nesta and Friends. What little plot exists was mainly there to set up for the sex scenes and Nesta’s redemption arc. When a book is over 600 pages, I expect a strong plot, not for things to conveniently happen solely for the purpose of Nesta and Cassian having sex and for her and Rhys to salvage their relationship. The pregnancy plot came across as nothing more than an excuse for Nesta to come in and save the day so that she can redeem herself. I also think we should have seen the pregnancy through Feyre and Rhys, rather than having it happen in a book where they are side characters. Especially since it involved the death pact backfiring. I have many issues with the death pact regardless and it was a plot point that was set up for failure, especially since it was thrown into the end of ACOWAR. In fairness, we did get a bonus chapter of them finding out she’s pregnant, but after three books of their relationship developing, this seemed like a big thing to leave out. Perhaps we’ll get a novella of it one day. Although, it doesn’t seem like Feyre was getting up to much in this book while she was pregnant, so maybe it would have been somewhat uneventful to read about her pregnancy from her POV. Then again, this book is over 600 pages of nothing particularly eventful, so it wouldn’t be out of the question.
As many other reviews have said, it makes little sense that Cassian’s guts were falling out in ACOWAR and he lived, but C-sections do not exist. As I said before, a lot of things were just too convenient for the ‘plot’ so that Rhys and Nesta could have an excuse to mend the relationship. And the whole thing at the end where Nesta quickly throws in that she changed her hips as well so that she can bear a winged baby?? That’s not the sort of execution I’d expect from an author who has published multiple series and has been writing for years. 
The stairs specifically don’t make sense because if Nesta is so tired from going down them, how does she make it back up the stairs every time? Surely going up is more effort than going down. This is a huge plot hole and I don’t understand how not one person picked up on it before the book was published. It’s stated that she is completely drained and doesn’t stop until the can’t take another step down, so it’s not like she’s strategically conserving enough energy to go back up. There’s one occasion where she goes down more than halfway, and then gets too tired so she goes back. Like… would it not have been easier to go down when you’re already halfway there… This bothered me the most out of everything else. The House of Wind in general is a plot hole because as far as I can recall, it’s never stated that there is another way to get in other than flying. So my question is why and how would they use it for their ‘official’ meetings and parties? Do Rhys and co go back and forth to fly all these people in? Especially during those weekly meetings Rhys and Feyre do with the citizens that was mentioned in ACOFAS, because I doubt everyone would be willing or able to go up those 10,000 steps while dressed for a party or meeting.
Also, how did Rhys and Feyre build the River House so quick? Hasn't it only been like 8 months or so since Rhys gifted her the land in ACOFAS? Has the rest of Velaris been rebuilt with this same speed since the Hybern attack? Are there still Velaris citizens living on the outskirts with their houses lying in rubble while their High Lord and High Lady built their fourth house (on the biggest plot in the city, I should add)? Let’s not forget Rhys only purchased the land because the house previously on it was ruined in the attack and the owner didn't want to rebuild. The timing is just in poor taste.
Then there’s the Valkyrie. How do Gywn and Emerie win the Rite after being dragged into it unprepared with a few months of training when we’ve been told multiple times that it is nearly impossible? Even for Illyrians who have trained their whole lives. I could maybe justify it by how it was implied that the Valkyrie had specific training methods and skills, but were those skills really that much more advanced than those of the Illyrian males? So much so that Gywn and Emerie won with only a few months of training? If so, this should have been made more clear, but I’d still find it unrealistic that said skills are so advanced that one could win the Rite with only a few months of training. If Nesta alone had won, I could maybe justify it and think about how her powers made her an exception.
It also didn’t fully sit right with me that Feyre essentially locked Nesta up in the House of Wind after what Tamlin did to her. I know it’s not the exact same situation, but it felt close enough. Even if it was truly and completely the last resort, which it seemed like it was, Feyre didn’t seem very bothered by the decision. I say this specifically because of the scene after the first meeting with Nesta, when Rhys has sent all the servants away so him and Feyre can have sex. Read the room. I get that they were both extra horny from the pregnancy, but I don’t think that scene was necessary. It felt more like SJM just being like 'don't worry! Your favorite couple from the original trilogy are still having lots of sex!' Although, I forget this is the same couple that got it on to ‘the distant cries of the injured and dying' in ACOWAR, so what do I know? At least their characters are consistent in that sense. Is there a situation they won’t fuck in? Now I’m curious about what the limit is for them to say ‘no, it’s inappropriate for us to fuck right now.’
The original trilogy made me want to read slower because I did not want the pages to end and I could read about that story forever. With this book, I ended up listening to the audiobook for 2/3 because I wanted to get it over with because I’d like to know what happens to the characters. I really only got through it because I wanted to read about Feyre and Rhys, but even they were out of character and not enjoyable. Feyre often seemed like she’d aged 30 years in the way she spoke and acted. Being High Lady and the things she went through would undoubtedly have made her more mature, but it’s only been like a year. It would have made far more sense if this book was set 50 or 100 years after the events of the last book. This didn’t feel at all like the badass and sometimes reckless Feyre who escaped the weaver, had water wolves, killed the Attor, and turned the Spring Court on each other—all of which happened approximately under two years before this book.
I would happily pretend that this book does not exist if SJM one day asked for it to be ignored so that certain plot lines could be rewritten. I didn’t like the direction of any character in this and it has not left me excited for the upcoming books in this series. In this case, I think the characters would have benefitted from having their story end in ACOWAR.
I did enjoy the dance scene between Eris and Nesta and I’m excited to read more about Eris and his side of the story. I don’t care much for Mor, though I wish Lucien made more appearances in this book.
Azriel Bonus chapter: Angry Rhys and the whole “My office. Now” is hot, but he was far too harsh with Azriel. He literally told him to go to a brothel if he’s that desperate for sex. I can see where Rhys was coming from, but he straight up threatened Azriel. Not sure how I feel about that, but maybe some justification from Rhy’s POV will help in the future. It's okay for Rhys to almost cause a war over Feyre, but Cauldron forbid Azriel even entertains the idea.
I find the Evil Rhys theory entertaining and this book made me happy in that regard, but nothing else.
The only thing this book somewhat attempted to do well is set up for another book in a different SJM series, which I will not delve into due to spoilers, but iykyk.
2.5 stars, really, but 3 because Azriel called Cassian out for the dining room. In saying all of this, I will absolutely be reading any upcoming books in this series because I love the characters and I’m invested in their stories, but this book was frustrating and slow.
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yuikomorii · 11 months
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I think it’s reasonable why some Ayato stans can’t stand Yui given that she doesn’t always treat him in the fairest way either. I’m not condoning how he acted in haunted dark bridal, they were pretty much all assholes and Yui really deserved much better than that but what bothers me is the way she started being written strictly in his routes after the first game.
Before developing my point of view, I want to mention that I did read all his routes and I will intelligibly write down why I don’t have the most positive opinion about Yui there. In more blood, she notices something changed about him. The whole route was about her crying for his love despite the fact that she did nothing other than give him blood. She knew he was struggling, but instead of trying to understand and comfort him, she only cared about her own feelings being reciprocated. There can’t be love when there’s no communication and the fence scene only proved that what she felt for him was mere obsession. He said it in an unserious way but she literally was on the verge of falling down and Ayato was shocked as she did that too. The only reason why I think he expressed his feelings after is cuz he was too afraid of how crazy about him she was to the point that she’d rather end it all than not get his love. I gotta admit that she redeemed herself in the vampire ending, I felt love there but route based she wasn’t shining.
He is seen sacrificing himself for her a lot of times, getting attacked by the wolves, jumping in flames for her, saving her from a bomb explosion, studying for her, getting into university for her, wanting to buy a house just for her, defending her from everyone that says anything negative about her wether that’s a random person or any of his brothers, mother or father.
Then we have Yui that does nothing for him in return. I better not hear ‘She is kind and cooks for him!’ because that doesn’t even come close to all the things he did for her well-being. Don’t get me started on how she tries making him face his abuser in Dark Fate and never defends him when he’s being slandered in front of others, even when they are in the wrong and harming her man. I saw some potential in her in lost eden but I took it back after she started taking such stupid decisions that only made Ayato feel even more guilty and sad rather than actually helping him. I can say the same about chaos lineage. She let his brothers make him feel like trash again, despite feeling bad for him in her thoughts, and only went to comfort him when he was starting to get depressed. Personally I would much rather prefer someone taking my side in front of others than putting honey around me in private. I swear this girl always talks but decides being quiet when she has to use her voice the most *face palm*
That is so ironic because she always expects him to save her ass and protect her all the time when she gets into troubles. At this point you should take a shot everytime Yui says ‘I know Ayato will save me. I know Ayato will protect me.’
Their relationship is not equal and will never be. You guys just like throwing the word ‘healthy’ only when the man loves the woman more but when it’s the other way around, then it’s seen as ‘toxic’.
I do think Yui is worthy of love but she’d fit better with someone that wouldn’t go to great lengths for her 24/7. Ayato is way too passionate and honestly he deserves someone more supportive and useful than her.
// Wow, that was long.
I've discussed this question with several of my friends, and while I generally agree with part of what you said, there are a few points I'd want to clarify.
Yui's actions in MB were essential to the plot of the route. When falling in love for the first time, I think a lot of teenage girls would behave similarly to her . She also acknowledged being selfish in the second last chapter, and it showed character growth when she came to terms with it and began to accept Ayato for who he is, flaws and all. I get that it's not particularly enjoyable to witness someone cry for almost the entire route, but she learnt something valuable from it, therefore I no longer see a problem. It was also confirmed in a book that Ayato was in love with her from the start. He was just confused and didn’t know how to properly explain his feelings due to the curse and trauma, therefore it’s not like he started dating her out of pity or anything like that. I developed this better here, feel free to read it if you want.
I would never consider her a bad girlfriend though. Even if she occasionally doesn't take everything as seriously as she’s supposed to, I believe she is doing her best. Yui isn't the type of person to take advantage of someone else's selflessness, and I have no doubt that she is very grateful of everything Ayato does for her.
Ayato is a bit more involved in the relationship but I don’t think he minds that…? I assume Yui's happiness is enough for him because he never complained about that matter. She still gives him blood, shows him affection and makes him laugh, even when it's not her aim to do so. It’s probably not the best comparison, since he’s putting his life in danger for her, but it’s still something.
Regarding the —not defending— part, I have witnessed several fans express the same displeasure, although I can't recall the specific situations they were referring to. Anyway, yeah, I kinda agree with that because everyone is capable of defending their S/O, so I'm not sure why they nerfed Yui on that.
It could also be the fact that Ayato is always shown as being really strong, therefore Yui probably doesn’t think he is THAT affected by those words. We don’t even know if she is very aware of how his brothers and family treated him in the past. For the players or readers, it makes sense why he gets insecure and feels threatened by their words or lashes out at them, but for someone who is unaware of the truth, it's a different story entirely.
On top of that, Ayato is the main hero. The heroine can shine in other routes but the main hero is the one who needs to show in his own one why he was chosen for the main hero position.
I wouldn’t say she’s not useful or supportive enough, she’s just softer in his routes, which I believe makes more sense to her character. Compared to other routes, she has it quite easy in his ones (except for the bad endings where they’re either both problematic or have to suffer), so I can see why Yui is more bubbly and carefree there. Besides, they both seem to be into the traditional relationship roles.
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can we talk about how it was book daemon that spoke out against just attacking KL with all of their dragons and said that they should fight smart? show!daemon would never and i hate how they ruined him. in the book he's incredibly cruel, yes, but also strategic, intelligent. when he was a young man he was hotheaded and impulsive but by the time of the dance he was in his 50's, more mature and calm. in the show they made him into a bloodthirsty lunatic to make maegora look good. and it's funny considering how in the book it was rhaenyra that was wayyy more vengeful , impulsive and bloodthirsty. they had to ruin every single character in hotd to make maegora look good because in f&b she's literally the worst. like she's the villain of the entire dance she's insane.
i loved book alicent and her anne Boleyn vibes so muchhh ! book alicent actually fit the "girlboss" stereotype so much more than miss maegor so of course they had to ruin her character completely.
and the whole "friendship" plot? what is this bs???? i wanted anne boleyn vs bloody mary! why do people assume that feminism is always about how men are the true villains and women are the hopeless victims? rhaenyra and alicent are not victims, they are overprivileged power-hungry women that hated each other's guts and were the leaders of their factions. they are not friends. they were never friends. there is no need for them to be friends. this is so stupid.
nettles is one of my fav characters and i'm terrified for my girl. they will prob make her a "victim" of daemon or vilify her to make maegora and dumbmyra look good. rhaenyra was always the villain in nettles story, she's racist and tries to kill netty even though she never betrayed her and fought for her cause (while miss maegor sat on her ass in dragonstone).
maegora was so useless during the dance, she did NOTHING. that's prob why i lean towards team green - say what you will about aegon, (i'm not even talking about the show version of him) he fought until the very end.
Everything you said anon x1000 👏🏽This show really has become the how Miss Maegor(and to a slightly lesser extent Alicent) was wronged by the patriarchy show. Everything else has been put on the back burner, storylines, and characterization have been taken away to prop up this racist flop. She is the opposite of a girl boss(yep book!Alicent fits that description better).
I’m not going to get into how other characters have been butchered, had their light dimmed, or look outright idiotic to make Missy Anne look better(Aegon, Laena, Baela, Rhaena, Helaena, hell even some of Corlys and Rhaenys actions don’t make sense). Or how certain characters who show the true nature of her character are nowhere to be found(Nettles; her almost victim).
Daemon wasn’t perfect in the books, but he comes off as almost mentally unstable in the show. At best one can liken him to a spoiled toddler throwing tantrums and lashing out cause his big bro doesn’t love him/ solely focus all his attention on him. They are actively taking away what little redeeming qualities he has(competent military man, loving husband to Laena, Nettles🙃) to turn him into some big baddie.
Alicent has been made into a weak and confused woman when she was a fully functioning capable woman in the books. To be honest, Olivia Cooke’s acting is probably saving this character because her actions from episode 8 on don’t make any sense. (Why the hell would anyone still want to be friends with someone who cared less about their child being maimed)?
Ryan keeps saying Fire & Blood is biased(debatable considering we have three different accounts of events and one of them is from someone who would lick Miss Maegor’s butt free of charge), but the version of the Dance he’s telling definitely isn’t the truth. This is crap borderline fanfiction(I’ve read better fanfiction).
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📖 but with songs :3
📖: If you had to remove one book from the series, which would you choose?
i am so so sorry for this possibly controversial insanely long rant but. dywh. it is so unfair to both chloe and jeremy it drives me insane i wish the scene never existed and maybe the fandom would be a much more peaceful place. rant under the cut
i genuinely hate dywh so much you have no idea. it literally serves no purpose to the story. if it was intended to be a metaphor for how men can be sexually assaulted because they often are not allowed to deny sexual advances, then it should've actually addressed how it affected jeremy instead of just brushing everything off and 'redeeming' chloe in vimh. don't get me wrong, it is very important to raise awareness about that, but it doesn't work in be more chill because the entire message of the musical is that people- especially teenagers- aren't who they seem because external and internal factors influence how they act. that they can make bad choices but they can also learn from their mistakes and change for the better. if chloe didn't end up being redeemed and the musical wanted people to dislike her then fine, whatever. it's still highly debatable considering how jeremy's trauma was never properly addressed but at least it makes sense for the scene to be included in order to really drive it home that she's an awful person. but she did end up being redeemed and they're trying to tell the audience even she's forgivable. and guess what! a lot of people don't agree with this because of course the audience is going to have a hard time buying that when the severity of chloe's 'mistakes' stick out like a sore thumb.
because if you think about it, all that the plot required was that the couples (aka upstage and puppy love) break up. and god there were better ways to do that. even if they had to include a scene like dywh they could've played it off in a tame way like chloe drunkenly attempting to 'seduce' jeremy (aka just a weird vaguely suggestive dance, nothing else involved). just asking him and backing off when he says no, because there is no reason for chloe to actually try to force jeremy to do anything. jeremy was not her concern, she doesn't even like him, it was brooke and jake. she couldn't give less shits about jeremy, all that mattered was that brooke thought he cheated on her and jake thought chloe had sex with someone else in his parents' room. like hell if they'd know what was going on behind closed doors?? all she had to do was just stay in the room with him for like half an hour then later subtly drop something about fucking him. is that not more in character for her? she's manipulative. she lies.
or they could've just stayed true to the book and made it 'consensual' (as 'consensual' as it can be while under the influence, that is) and nothing about the plot would've changed. brooke would still have thought jeremy cheated on her and jake would still have gotten mad at them for invading the sanctity of his parents' room and chloe would absolutely have still twisted the situation to her advantage because that's who she is. it's not out of character for her at all to rub it in jake's face- why turn down such an opportunity to hurt him? or for her to claim jeremy kissed her first? because she always puts the blame on someone else and manipulates brooke.
i would like to make it clear that i do think she should be held accountable for those actions, because 1) whatever her intentions were doesn't matter, the fact that it made jeremy feel uncomfortable & threatened does and 2) her entire reason for doing that was so incredibly selfish and cruel. she wanted to crush her best friend's self-esteem knowing brooke had already been cheated on and she wanted to hurt her ex-boyfriend in the worst way possible by tainting his memory of his parents who abandoned him. all that and jeremy was nothing to her. she didn't care what he thought, he was just a pawn. that is incredibly fucked up.
BUT. i am also saying that this scene was so not necessary. above all it's offensive that jeremy's trauma is never seriously taken and he's just expected to get over it in literal seconds after the scene takes place. but also- bitchy mean girl characters are already hated enough. a lot of people wouldn't have sympathized with chloe even without dywh in the picture. by literally making up that scene- it wasn't part of the source material, remember- the musical chose to put her on full blast. now we can't discuss her character without feeing like stepping on a landmine because dywh is a serious subject that some people are righteously triggered by. and the slight differences in how the actors of each production deliver that performance and how people interpret that scene is the root of all controversy.
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Rewatching Part one of Crystalized just makes me more enraged at the season so far. A big issue is the council having too many uninteresting and disconnected villain's. I feel there are far more relevant, competent, and interesting characters to build a season off of that are accessible in our current timeline. 
I’ll run down a small list of gripes with each current member and then I’ll explain some of my choices, as well as their far more interesting relationships.  
CURRENT MEMBERS
Harumi: Her arc was complete in Hunted and rewriting her death would backtrack the most impactful moment she had. Passes by just barely because she is an interesting character to explore and redeem further, but so far they reversed her to Lloyd angst instead of pursuing the far more interesting and dramatic relationship she and Pythor would share. 
Aspheera: Talk about a waste of space. Her lore was contradictory to Ninjago history when it first came out in Fire chapter and I figured we were finally done and could renounce those events from the timeline. She is beyond idiotic in nature, and her motivations have always been ridiculously shallow, even to the point of satire in this new season. The only thing she can add is Wu angst that was already put to rest during the completion of his arc in Hunted and Motm (Her relation to Wu is also fairly annoying. Do the writers seriously think Wu is in the wrong, or is Aspheera simply this selfish and ignorant to her own actions?). She has no relation to any other character in the entire show and her base personality is difficult to watch at times. 
The Overlord: Cool voice and all, but resurfacing this after so long with no lead up is just opening old wounds again. For the sake of structure I’ll keep him, as he is the main point of the council, but even the Crystal King is on thin ice. (My theory is Oni magic tipped the balance enough to let him escape but there has been no inclination up until now that he would return, so having him appear as the big bad feels like a poor, fanservice decision.)
The Mechanic: The worst offender. This guy is on the same level as Fugidove and Ultra Violet. They were a trio and he never “leveled up” as they say in the show. He was always a one off, or a stooge for someone stronger, smarter, more devious, or more motivated. The Mechanic on his own has no intentions, no goal or purpose. He’s literally a low level thug who wasn’t even named until season 6. If they need a Prime Empire representative, I’d much prefer a plot about a villain kidnapping Unagami, since they are essentially code that could be reprogramed. That would open up a good story for Jay and Zane to bond over together. But no. The mechanic has no reason to be this high up. He has committed nothing on his own, has a bland personality, and his metal tech should be easily defeated by Jay, who is a skilled technician with lightening powers. 
Mr. E... er F: If they are not Echo Zane, it's literally dead weight. The pinnacle of nothing. Mr. E was a mysterious badass biker robot that was good friends with Harumi. They gruesomely died in front of Harumi to give her doubts about her decision. Pythor just ‘rebuilding them” without any notion of the same hard drive/soul device just means they essentially just have a nindroid drone from Rebooted on the MAIN COUNCIL. The one hope for them is if they are actually Echo Zane, like the original draft. We saw the lighthouse, and Nya very distinctly screamed “Is anybody there???” to no response, despite knowing Echo Zane exists. If Echo is not Mr F, than both that scene and the character inclusion is irritating. 
Pythor: He’s fine. Always been a staple petty man just slithering around. In the Canon novel, Pythor’s Revenge, he was last seen begging the Serpentine for help in sabotaging Borg, to which he was kicked out of the caves. He’s charming, entertaining, has a long standing history with the overlord, and could have a plot with Harumi if they choose to mention it. 
Skull Sorcerer: He was so forgettable I literally forgot to type him on the list until just now. Although a staple of Cole’s season (and I love that season), this role for him is disconnected from his previous appearance and practically OOC in my book. King Vangelis loves his people and created the mines to make the city prosperous. He clearly wants to protect his daughter as well. The real villain of that season is the Skull itself, which is seen to corrupt Korgran in the flashback, and is implied to mess with Vangelis’ psyche. When the skull disintegrated, he immediately begged for mercy and forgiveness. The best course of action for Vangelis is a redemption arc, since he was just a King of an isolationist country disconnected from Ninjago that partook in slavery. We can visit him in prison and he could reveal everyone who was buying from him, although it was under a codename so he has no idea who it really goes to after the middle men pick it up. Instead of this approach, I fear he will just be some boring powerless guy wearing a mask. Vangelis as the SS did not have a single interesting thing to say. it was tropey generic villain jabber and it seems they may fall back on that instead of pursing something better. 
THE COOLER CRYSTAL COUNCIL. 
The council I have created, along with my sister, may be too much to unpack in one grand season, but I can simply no longer ignore how boring the current members are when others out there can be justified. It is grand, yes, but even one of these additions instead of the latter inclusions would make for a more exciting season.  
Pythor: The snake can stay. Forever endearing, with a background in helping the overlord and a connection to season 1, as well as the long lasting Serpentine war arc. 
Clouse: He only got his time to shine in Canon Malaysian plays, and off screen in books and semi-cannon Tommy fanfictions. This man is, in the shows current lore, still out there in the Underworld. Since WotD is still a WIP, we don’t know what his end is, but for now he could be back with something as easy to get as Travelers tea. I’m sure the Overlord is quite aware of portals and proud of how Clouse succeeded in merging Ninjago back into one land using dark matter. 
Harumi: If Canon is reversing her death than I suppose I can too. I can’t ignore the potential she has outside of Lloyd and the character growth she still could obtain. 
Nadakhan: A bit of an OP one, but you could make it work. Wishes can be very powerful and the Overlord could see the potential. He already wanted revenge on Ninjago since they destroyed his homeland and the Overlord could easily make that happen. The Overlord is also incredibly powerful. I’m sure there are wishes and ways to keep Nadakhan in line. We know he is currently in the possession of Clutch powers, making him more a part of WildBrain than Mr E. He is also personally connected to Jaya, which was something very important from last season. 
Time Twins: Lloyd says since their location is ‘unknown’ they are ruled out. I disagree. The best villains to bring up are the ones with no known location and there is no reason that the Ninja should rule out that possibility based on location alone. They just had a short reminding us of their existence. I would place them in Aspheera’s spot, serving as a reminder of Wu’s past, while also being in it for petty vengence. These two were also wronged by the Alliance and this new, darker alliance could be the push they need for redemption, as I’m a raved Twim sympathizer. 
Oni Garmadon: I know he has been shown in the trailers. It would be cool if he were a spy of some sort. He gets sent the invitation as a notorious villain at the end of his journey in the Garmadon comics. Having regained some humanity, he accepts the invitation to sabotage the organization. The Overlord could help him remember the past, or at the very least his time has Lord Garmadon, which was still kinder than how he acts now. 
THE RELATIONSHIP CHART
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Look at all those lines. Now that’s a group of characters and not a bunch of useless bland faces about to be vessels for the Overlord. I’ll run down this list for you under the cut. 
Overlord || Pythor: Old chums and business partners in crime from Rebooted.
Overlord || Clouse: Clouse used Dark Matter to merge the islands together to shift the balance. 
Overlord || Twims || Nadakhan: No clear relation
Overlord || Garmadon: An old toxic dynamic. Overlord could remanipulate Garmadon and he wouldn’t remember, or he could regain his memories through this.
Overlord || Harumi: Although there is no clear relation, Harumi could have fallen in the same spot the DigiLord was defeated. This Harumi we see could be a husk possessed by the Overlord
Pythor || Clouse: Hate eachother from the events of ToE
Pythor || Twims || Harumi: The trio of serpentine trauma. Pythor released the great Devourer, which killed Harumi’s parents. Harumi doesn’t know this. The Twims used those eggs for their armada, which would anger Harumi if she found out. Pythor and the Twims most likely know eachother from the war, as he was confirmed to be there at the time. The twims would be racist towards the Anacondrai, and the reverse can be said for Pythor at the Ninjagen solders. 
Pythor || Nadakhan: Both seek vengeance on the genocide of their race by Ninjago. In addition to that, both could not measure up to the standards of their culture until it was too late (making both the last survivors of their respective species). 
Clouse || Twims: Chen has been all but confirmed by outside source material to be the reason the Twims attacked the monastery. Could have met as the secret apprentices to Chen during or after the war. The Twims don’t care about him, while Clouse finds Krux cute and Acronix annoying. 
Clouse || Garmadon:: Clouse is a tsundere Ex to Garmadon who also legitimately despises his existence with every fiber of his being, in which Garmadon has no part in both before and after his resurrection.
Clouse || Nadakhan: Nadakhan trapped Clouse in the lamp after setting him free. Clouse has no memory of this. 
Clouse || Harumi: No clear relation, but they both used dark magic from a spell book. 
Twims || Garmadon: The Twims hate Garmadon. Garmadon is unaware. 
Garmadon || Nadakhan: No clear relation
Garmadon || Harumi: Harumi originally set him free. She used to adore him, but after the amount of damage to the families she saw first hand she may be less inclined to simp to him. Garmadon respects her presence in a strange way. 
Nadakhan || Harumi: Both have daddy issues. Both had lost their families due to the Ninja. They could simply vibe together really well. 
And there’s my 100000+ word fanfiction idea I shall never write. I hope you enjoyed my salty pondering! Ninjago Villains are so interesting and to choose the blandest ones for such a cool premise is saddening. I have other Anti-Crystalized rants but I’ll leave it here for now.
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I have brought up myself once about how abuse in love relationships isn’t as black and white as people think it is. Yes, of course it’s awful. But it doesn’t mean love isn’t there. In some cases with couples in the show, like with Willow and Tara, the abuse is brought about because of the character’s love for the other character, or more specifically because of not wanting to lose that love. It’s wrong, but again, it doesn’t mean that there’s no love there. Of course there is. It’s just confused with obsession and possession. The fear of loss and insecurity of not being worthy of someone’s love. And, as the saying goes, you always hurt the one you love because of all the chaos that’s going on within the self.
Buffy and Spike’s relationship is very abusive and tumultuous because they start off on opposing sides. They start off as enemies. But the one thing that has to be remembered when talking about this is that fate has made it that way. They never chose it to be that way. It’s just how it is. It’s not natural for them to love. So the abuse, in all honesty, is only appropriate as that is what is natural for them. They instinctively hurt one another because that’s what they’re supposed to do. Only, they go through an unnatural shift in which they begin to defy that instinct. For Spike in particular, actively chooses to go against it once he realizes he can. Once he understands that he does have a choice. There’s that word again. That theme. CHOICE. That’s what makes Spike a redeemable character. His choices. Because as Dumbledore from Harry Potter put it: “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” Spike, despite being a vampire (souled or soulless), despite fate, despite nature and despite the odds, CHOSE to be on the side of good. It is not just his love for Buffy that decided that or that made him choose good over evil. It’s his empathy for everyone that he felt was good or was deserving or even that he could relate to or understand.
Regardless of the love he feels for Buffy - Spike is a GOOD person.
He is a good person with or without a soul simply because he chooses to be.
So while the excuse of being soulless/ensouled does hold up with some, it doesn’t for me. I think it’s a very rudimentary way of looking at it.
Furthermore, it’s made quite clear that he is never afforded the same respect as a do-gooder as Angel is - who’s nature is to be evil despite having a soul - who never chooses either way - who would rather brood and dwell in self-contempt than actually be useful - and who is forgiven far too easily for my liking.
Whether that means Spike deserves Buffy’s love or that their relationship should be celebrated as love or they should be shipped as a couple is still debatable.
But simply the excuse of “because he doesn’t have a soul” and “because he has a soul” is a pathetic excuse because it’s an excuse that doesn’t hold up well in a TV show Universe that blurs the lines between good and evil and that is grey.
CHOICE is the fundamental and most reiterated theme throughout BtVS and the character Spike represents that theme just as much as the character Buffy does.
You ask ‘Why shouldn’t they be shipped as a couple?’
I have my reasons but they don’t revolve around whether Spike has a soul or not. In fact they have much more to do with Buffy why I choose not to ship them.
Nevertheless, so much of Season 7 was about the Spuffy relationship that it was basically the secondary plot of the season. And for me, it was about the only reason I wanted to carry on watching it. There’s some Willow stuff too, but other than that… I just couldn’t stand how messy it was in plot consistency, character consistency etc. Spuffy was pretty much the saving grace of Season 7.
I do think Buffy had completely fallen in love with Spike by the end of the show. But for me, the expression she gives wasn’t so much for Spike’s sake so he would go through with the sacrifice. But that could be part of it. I more read the expression as her taking in the thought that maybe Spike was right about her admitting her love for him. That she wasn’t in love with him.
Why? Because she never believes of herself for what she really is or even for how she really feels. That’s that inferiority complex about having a superiority complex. There’s always a huge part of her psyche struggling with this problem with whether she deserves to be called a hero or not when she is a woman just like any other woman.
That’s something Spike did for her. Helped her to overcome both complexes by basically telling her and validating that her heroics are not something to be ashamed about but rather should be celebrated because she is a woman. Which is why ‘Empty Places’ is… ugh… And why it makes sense that Spike is the only one that defends her and calls out her fair-weather friends. He gets it because he gets her as both the Slayer and the Woman. Because much of Spuffy’s relationship is the juxtapositions between Man/Monster and Woman/Slayer. And if you read my recap for ‘Crush’ I explain that in depth.
It’s all right in Spike’s monologue in ‘Touched’. Read it again for good measure:
“I’ve been alive a bit longer than you. And dead a lot longer than that. I’ve seen things you couldn’t imagine. And done things I’d prefer you didn’t… Don’t exactly have a reputation for being a thinker. I follow my blood, which doesn’t exactly rush in the direction of my brain. So I make a lot of mistakes. A lot of wrong bloody calls. A hundred plus years. And there’s only one thing I’ve ever been sure of. You… Hey, look at me. I’m not asking you for anything. When I say I love you, it’s not because I want you. Or because I can’t have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you *are*. What you do. How you try… I’ve seen your kindness, and your strength. I’ve seen the best and the worst of you. And I understand, with perfect clarity, exactly what you are… You’re a hell of a woman… You’re the One, Buffy.”
So, for me, I think the reason why she doesn’t respond back and just simply smiles is because this is something she’s going to have to process a little more than in that 5 second window of opportunity to prove to Spike that she really does love him. Because she wasn’t ready yet to believe in the revelation that she had in that moment. She hasn’t come to an understanding on it yet and doesn’t have the time to right then and there. So she says nothing and instead conveys her feelings by holding his hand in the flames ready to engulf him. Knowing this is something she has to let him do for his own sake. But even if she tried to convince him of it, he’d likely still be adamant about his choice of sacrifice because he has seen her do the same over and over again and has learned through her about what it means to truly be a hero. To put others before himself. To sacrifice. To stand for the greater good. You see, he hasn’t been able to understand that about her until now. It was the one place where they were not equal. Not anymore. Now they are as of one nature.
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If one of your mutuals wrote a Wonder Woman story, what would you - theoretically - be most worried about them getting Wrong
I think I'd trust most of my mutuals not to get her capital-W Wrong in any important way. Like, no one who still wants to hear from me after thirty chapters of World of Wondy is going to Make Dudes Too Important or write a Mean Straw Feminist or have her just be totally incompetent, which are the things I, from experience, tend to worry the most about from her actual fucking canon over the years.
However, if one is actually seeking guidance, since this seems like as good an excuse as any, I do have like, a five-point basic guideline for Essentials To A Good Wondy Story that I put together as part of that essay series I never actually did about how I would do a Wonder Woman TV show:
Remember the Truth - Diana's ability to see things as they genuinely are, us and herself and the world, and that being the root of her power and her compassion, is such an incredible hook, such a great way to set her character apart from every other flying brick, so perfectly in line with her themes of equality and justice and inspiration. Remember that she sees things from that unique perspective and that that is her most powerful ability, and always look to it as your first and most useful tool when you're deciding what to do with the rest of this.
Leave no Heart Untouched - Diana is not here to save us, she's here to inspire us. Even if the main conflict is resolved by punching, there should at least be some minor side characters who change their lives for the better in some small way because of her influence. A redeemed thug, a businessman who goes nonprofit, even something as small as a kid treating his sister better, it doesn't always have to be Ares or Circe, but it should always be there.
Look Beyond Capes and Tights - corollary to #2, we mostly watch her do superhero stuff in comics and relationship stuff in fanfic, but her actual in-universe job is like 10% that, 90% the dedicated struggle for social justice. Rucka was very good at this and serves as a solid model - any full arc in any medium should have at least one brief scene of her pressuring politicians to put through a bill or note from an aide that adolescent drug use in Massachusetts is down 15% thanks to Myndi Meyer clubs or wtfever, because that is always the biggest part of her life.
Hold on to Wonder - Diana is not angsty. In fact, an obvious criticism of Marston is that his Wondy was perhaps having too much fun. Our girl is not naive, but she is very much an idealist and an optimist, a finder of silver linings, someone with a sharp sense of humor, who finds deep joy in her mission and the people she loves. I genuinely think that Berserker Sword Warrior Diana who actually smiles is more faithful (and certainly more fun to read) than Peaceful Diplomat Diana who's just miserable and fatalistic 24/7. "Being a good person sucks" is a terrible message.
Do Epic Shit - doesn't have to be plot-relevant, but this is a superhero here, you wanna have her punching a spaceship or singlehandedly hauling an oil tanker away from a reef or walking unimpressed out from under a collapsing building just for context or what's the point?
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So I finally sat down and watched the Teen Wolf movie, but it's been out long enough that I feel like it's okay to talk about, but just in case... 🚫*spoilers ahead*🚫
WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK WAS THIS?!?!
1st complaint: literally every single romantic relationship for Malia has felt incredibly forced, even in the show, but none more than whatever the hell she and Parrish had! I might except some arguments for Stalia, but I always knew Stydia would be endgame...
Speaking of Stydia... let's talk about my 2nd complaint which is that trash throw away ✨️reason for Lydia leaving Stiles✨️ "idea" are you- are you really telling me, the girl that was able to convince a whole group of people and HIS FATHER that Stiles even existed after everyone forgot him and was able to bring him back into existence would just... leave him after a DREAM?!?! She fought against everyone telling her she was crazy for remembering someone who supposedly never existed, but she wouldn't fight for a reason to stay with the love of her life??? Cause that's not the Lydia I remember! She was stubborn, brave, and most of all she believed in her ideas cause she knew how smart she was! This just seemed like the "must use woman's pain to further plot" trope. On top of having a reason for Stiles not to be there since Dylan couldn't be in the movie.
3rd complaint: did none of the relationships the show workout or something? Like... why did Scott AND Argent not want Melissa to know they were in town? Argent and Melissa were so cute! She helped him heal and move on, he actually liked and let her be the strong independent woman she always was. I don't particularly care that Allison came back, I wasn't crazy about how they handled it, but whatever. I think Allison would've been happy to see her dad happy again after how he was after her mom died and then eventually her... instead of lonely and grieving his life away.
But no, Melissa and Argent gone.
But also Stydia... gone.
Scalia... gone.
And from what little I gathered Ethan and Jackson are... something. But Jackson is apparently comfortable just being gone and lying to him about why.
Speaking of being gone... onto my 4th complaint! ALL OF PETER HALE'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WAS JUST GONE!!! Like they had me in his first scene with the blow torch, that was just regular old sassy Peter, but then he was just all Gung-ho for killing Allison and right back to his revenge filled ways. He was so protective and ready to finally be a dad for Malia at the end of the show, granted he still had a long way to go, but he was finally fighting with the pack and mending his relationship with Derek. When Scott is monologuing at the end of the final episode he says "Now we have allies who used to be enemies. We have protectors." And it cuts to a clip OF PETER FREAKING HALE!!!!! Like I wasn't expecting perfection, Peter was always a bit of a d*ck, but for all of his progress to just be gone was heartbreaking. Only redeeming part was the cigar and blowtorch bit because it had so much Doc Ock 2004 vibes.
And finally Derek... I just- I can't... I know it's cliche and cringey to say, but this movie is not canon for me. Because if it was, that means I would have to admit all the garbage I just watched was real. And I will not accept that. Most of all Derek's fate... Just no.
Anyway... I could continue, but I would be going on forever with complaints. The way I see it is, I still love the show and I will still watch it. This movie doesn't exist and the characters are all still out there together living their best lives as they should be.
The End.
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ok, i feel i must make a wrap-up post to the jane eyre experience for those who were interested.
jane herself is one of my favorite female protagonists ever. she's so straightforward and blunt in a way even women today aren't always allowed to be and she's so true to herself even when she's homeless and starving or when she's being abused (except in the case of st john but i'm getting to that)
i liked most of the side characters who weren't being dicks to jane. rip helen burns i'll remember you forever.
actually, most of jane's relationships with women seemed more interesting than her relationship with men. im out here truthing for gay jane <3 say nothing about diana please that was NOT my fault
for all of her suffering, almost everyone who was ever horrible to jane got theirs in the end. so that was nice.
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the sections with the wife wandering the house at night were legitimately terrifying. like, to me, almost 200 years later, with all of my lights on. holy shit. context has been given to me also about the plot twist being that it's NOT a ghost but just a regular human person being pretty shocking at the time so i also think that's clever
some of the details don't quite click with um 2024 sensibilities. for example, "st john is such a good person going to india to be a missionary and even being willing to die over there" i think he should have died faster and i hope they dumped his body in a garbage heap. also, i was under the impression rochester was keeping a WHITE woman in his attic. like keeping any woman in your attic is bad but COME ON. and finally, there was this really pervasive belief throughout the book that you could glean someone's personality and intelligence etc through their physical features. it was talked about almost as if it was a science, but all it basically amounts to is "beautiful people are Better." ok.jpg
i don't. super feel like rochester was redeemed in the end? i guess i got spoiled by p&p but even though rochester SUFFERED and was PUNISHED he didn't CHANGE. i still don't think he's worthy of jane, and so the ending where she's just his caretaker forever now...i'm glad she's happy but i am a little baffled
i also felt a little baffled by jane letting st john walk all over her there near the end when she had Firmly established earlier she was not that kind of person. she was willing to starve to death rather than compromise her morals even though she really loved rochester, so why on earth did she almost let herself get bullied into a loveless marriage with her own cousin?
THAT SAID, i do like the reading of "well because of how it was she has to get married and rochester gives her the greatest degree of freedom because she has him well-tamed." that's very true.
i think everyone promised me too hard that the end of the book was gonna be good and make the rest of the book worth it because i had built it up in my head to...being a little More somehow. i thought the money was the big break and then it just made her more miserable until she went back to rochester because of ??? supernatural and/or religious reason. i don't think that ending magically fixes everything
i also think that if i go back and rewatch the movie, which i do plan on doing, it might sell me on the jane/rochester romance more, because actors are good at having charisma and making their characters enjoyable to watch on a screen. i think i never quite understood what jane saw in him, but if i could see it, i would be happier about their reunion
i'm still glad i read the book and got to know jane whether the movie fixes it for me or not. she's really one of the best female protags. i remember thinking a few times in the novel lizzy bennet would never have survived some of the stuff jane eyre did...on the other hand, darcy is ten times the man rochester is lol. crossover fic with darcy/jane..............?
anyway, i will make another post when i eventually get around to the movie. hope it fixes me 🤞🤞🤞
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trinitywc · 9 months
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After Woolycloud’s death I just. Had to stop and sit for like an hour. Not just because she died, but because of how she died - the suddenness of it all, and the tragedy of how her last conversation with Pinefrost had gone. Rutherford was right about the cruelty of the humans in the city: even after they destroyed the world, killed almost everything, they come in and murder all that is left. Poor Woolycloud. I suspect that Rutherford is a very morally gray character, but I hope that Pinefrost and Houndpelt will be able to unite the two clans together and that he will come around and join them. He wants a new world without fighting, so why not one where all cats are united as one, protecting and supporting each other? If he does end up as a villain, I really hope he gets redeemed at the end tbh. I like him a lot
Sorry about woolycloud!!! Thats just the brutality and horrors of modern war :( tragedy for everyone. meaningless death (im a pacifist myself)
As for Houndpelt and Pinefrost (and Cuckoopaw!!!) they have a lot of patching up to do, both themselves and the new group/Clan. They’ll meet again, though on what side of the border who knows. theres a LOT to be discussed and discovered in the new territory regarding the effects of radiation on the land and the cats. it'll be hard to start a new life, especially houndpelt as a high ranking/future leader of woodclan living in his old Clan but knowing what he knows now.
Rutherford? He’s… argh its hard to talk about without spoilers for TGL3 but they always say ‘plot points/spoilers shouldn’t matter it should be how it’s written’, so- the nuclear war/radiation has definitely driven him insane and he has grown obsessed with the atom as the secret weapon/way to his new future but can’t find a way to make it work (because he’s a cat, he can’t, he just doesn’t see himself as a cat). His logic only makes sense to him as someone from a world of ‘he with the most power shall rule and never be hurt’, hes quite Machiavellian- rather be feared than loved to retain power, and follows realist theories of (international) politics, each state/agent is most concerned with his own security. One of his owners was… involved with the human war lets leave it at that.
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halogenwarrior · 2 years
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Warriors, first and foremost has always tried to grapple with themes of community/culture/society, how it influences people and both causes pain and value. Even the Clans’ religion is not based on some omniscient god that transcends culture but just another community formed out of the ancestors of the community that exists on earth. Does it handle these themes well? Most of the time, definitely not. But I feel like a lot of fans are missing the potential nuances of this theme when they just reduce it to “the Clans suck and are literally 100% morally bad with no redeeming values, and cats who want to destroy them are cool actually”. Because I think it is possible for an ideal version of the series to show the oppression of a demand to devote your life to duty and fighting just because you happened to be born in a Clan, to the way Clan boundaries rip apart relationships, how the Clans think themselves above any outsider and all of the other problems with Clan life, and also show that there can be beauty in value in community and loyalty and taking care of the weak. Like the whole idea of making the final conflict in the original arc against a distorted Clan that had none of those positive aspects was a potentially interesting idea thematically, the problem was how it weirdly tried to tie caring for others to religious faith as if the good parts of the Clans’ system were inherent to their religion and structure rather than something that any society should aspire to and can accomplish, but some fall short of (including the Clans themselves sometimes, like with regard to Brokenstar!) 
I feel this is duality of Clan life is particularly shown in Feathertail’s arc in A Shadow in RiverClan. A lot of the fans’ reactions to her seem to be just “well, what’s the big deal, why can’t she just girlboss her way out of RiverClan like any sane person would do!” But her internal conflict is compelling because she ISN’T the type of person (cat) who would be happiest cutting ties with the community she’s grown up in, she’s someone who, like most people, needs the sense of community and purpose and being surrounded by others working to help each other to survive. But in order to truly be a part of her community, she needs to buy into the values it holds, including the xenophobic huddling together of their group against all outsiders. She can’t just forget the destruction these values have wrought, can’t just go back to normal life after what happened, even as she feels to live without a community would be isolating and (pardon the use of the term for a series about cats) inhuman. The social contract was broken when her Clan broke the promise to mutually defend each other’s lives with their own and instead saw her life as forfeit, and that’s why she’s only able to build it back up by the incident with the fox restoring said contract. And so she spends months wrestling with her own thoughts, trying to force herself to believe with her heart something that she needs to believe but was irrevocably shattered. The hand that feeds her is the hand that tears her apart, and she can never truly turn away from it. Admittedly the point is somewhat undermined by the existence of ThunderClan, a group with basically identical culture that hasn’t horribly wronged her, though even going there wouldn’t be a full escape because it would just mean forcing herself to buy into another group’s xenophobic values, except this time it would mean those values turning her against cats like her brother.
 This is why I’ve always been skeptical of people’s claims that Stormfur would have worked better being given Feathertail’s plot given his personality in TNP. Stormfur’s suspicious nature extended largely to outsiders, a feeling that straying too far from the code was what led to the previous disasters and would lead to further ones, while the arc a Shadow in RiverClan was trying to create needed a protagonist that wasn’t just generically suspicious and aloof by nature, even and especially to those his society told him to be suspicious of, but one who was by nature quite the opposite, who could never be happy unless she was allowed to be the open and caring cat she was by nature, but who couldn’t forget everything long enough to be that no matter how much she tried. (And we see in her interactions with cats like Ferncloud and Sasha that her aloofness solely extends to those who were involved with what happened on the Bonehill, that whenever she isn’t caught up in those thoughts and doubts and memory her “true” personality shines through). 
I feel like a better Warriors series would lean more into this duality, of both the worth of the Clan system and its horror, of how loyalty might lead towards a noble fight for the preservation of valuable things one day and a pointless one driven by jingoism and xenophobia the next, and how every cat reacts to this tangled, beautiful, repulsive situation in different ways, rather than either the canon route of only paying lip service to the deep flaws in the system and patching everything up with “but the Clans and StarClan are good in the end”, or the fan responses of wanting everything burned down. 
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sohemotional · 2 years
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What are some (maybe top 5) fics/plots about Brittana that you would like to exist?
This is such an amazing question!!! Hmm.... there are definitely some that I'm thinking of writing myself in the near future...but I’m not sure if I could do these justice. It’s still fun to come up with ideas.
I’d love a girl group AU fic for Brittana. Rachel, Santana, Britt, Tina, and Mercedes are put in a pop group. All of the girls have their set personality that their management uses to market the band, even though it’s an exaggeration of their actual personality: Rachel is the socially awkward/nerdy/relatable girl, Brittany is the ditzy/quirky fun girl, Tina is the shy punk/goth girl, Mercedes is the serious/good girl with a sassy side, and Santana is the sexy bad girl who has all these scandals attached to her name. Rachel is the de facto “leader” of the band while Santana is the “bad girl” who thinks she should be leader, so Rachel frequently has arguments with Santana and the others. Meanwhile Brittana are having a secret fling with each other the entire time that they have to hide.
AU where unpopular nerds/hipsters Rachel and Santana are a bickering friendship duo who have a huge crush on the two most popular kids at school: jock!Finn and ditzy cheerleader!Brittany respectively. Everyone thinks Brinn are dating because they're always together but Brinn actually are just super close platonic friends who would literally never date each other in any universe. Brinn actually think Rachel and Santana are adorable. Rach and San accidentally walk in on them naked somehow and San (who's only focusing on Britt) practically faints.
Comedic Greek Mythology AU where Santana is Ares, Brittany is Aphrodite, and Artie is Hephaestus. Of course we all know how that story goes but I’d throw in some Glee style twists XD
A fic about Sue Sylvester’s survival camp where Britt says in a deleted script that she and Santana “fooled around for the first time”. We really need to know the details on this...would be super interesting to explore in a fic.
I’m planning to write a fic where Brittany is a single mom who has a six year old son and is a professional dancer who moves around a lot. Her fiery son is super overprotective of his mom because of how sweet/ditzy she is and how she has been hurt by her previous boyfriends so many times. So when they meet Santana and she tries to woo Brittany, her son is not having it at all lol and gives Santana hell but San won’t give up on Britt.
Complete crack/ridiculous comedy AU where Finchel and Brittany (all adults) are roommates somehow and friends. Someone keeps breaking into their apartment and stealing random stuff. This drives Rachel up the wall and she keeps trying to catch the thief. Brittany figures out the thief is Santana and somehow seduces her. Rachel (having fallen asleep after trying to stay up all night to catch whoever is doing it) is appalled to find Britt in bed with Santana in the morning. Rachel could not be more infuriated at Brittana but at least all of their stuff gets returned...
EDIT: Sorry this is important but I forgot...Star Wars AU for Brittana. Santana would be in Anakin’s role and Brittany would be the “Padme” figure except they would have grown up together since they were very young. Santana would fall to the dark side but redeem herself and somehow find her way back to Britt. Britt would have a force baby who has both hers and San’s genes. They wouldn’t expect it at all and would have to hide Britt’s pregnancy from the Jedi.
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