How many of these Qiang ( 槍 ) moves can you recognize from Nezha Conquers the Dragon King(1979)? This type of spear is recognized as a “King of Weapons” for its reliability and versatility.
The shaft of the spear can vary between 6 feet to more than 15 feet in length depending on if it’s meant for individual use or a battle formation like the Qing era Green Standard Army ( 綠營 ).
Spears like this build the foundation of one specific form of Chinese martial arts called Xingyiquan ( 形意拳 ) that is then classified even further as martial arts that focus on the user’s spiritual or mental state; or Nei jia ( 內家 ). Xingyiquan is significant in how a majority of the associated actions are linear and explosive in power from short range.
Noticeably this post lacks citations, this is because I want to encourage everyone to look further into this type of martial arts themselves. Even a simple Google search presents many good resources on this.
Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368 was a time when China was a part of the bigger Mongolian Empire spanning from the eastern coast of China all the way to part of Europe today. This is a time of international travel via land and sea, the time when the Italian traveler Marco Polio visited China and years later wrote about his adventures. This a time when people from Eurasia and Arabic countries come to live, work and settle in China and their influence can be seen in this sword design dating to the time of the Yuan. The Mongolian saber has the characteristics of Eurasian Steppes curved saber and was a milestone in Chinese weaponry where curved swords with characteristically saber like blades were introduced to the Chinese. The sword was ideal for quick strikes from mounted cavalrymen and well capable of inflicting deep cuts and slashes from horseback.
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This Ming-era weapon is called Tianpeng's Spade (Tianpeng chan, 天蓬鏟). You'll recall that Tianpeng was the name of Zhu Bajie's previous incarnation, a deity who served as the commander of the celestial navy.
It's funny to me that the god associated with Zhu is associated with a weapon similar to that of Sha Wujing.
Historically, the Jiang Jun are mentioned as Cavalry Captains, with one of the most famous examples being General Guan Yu. Guan Yu served under warlord Liu Bei, helping establish the Shu Han dynasty which was one of three dynasties from 220 AD to 280 AD.
Jiang Jun's signature weapon was also invented by General Guan Yu, who gave his desired specifications to a smithy. The weapon's name is Yanyuedao 偃月刀, which means reclining moon blade, but it's more commonly known as Guan Dao in honor of the General himself. Weighing in at approximately 18 kilograms, he was able to wield such a large weapon due to his stature and strength.
Jiang Jun is a Heavy type hero, which means he has an increased health bar but decreased sprint speed at 6.25 m/s, though it's much better compared to Shugoki's dismal 5.5 m/s (I'm not counting Oni's charge) but slightly slower than a vanguard's footspeed.
That being said, Jiang Jun is not a sloppy character. Jiang Jun excels at manipulating both his stamina and the stamina of his enemies.
When timed correctly, Sifu's Poise [c] can dodge any attack and regenerate stamina. But that comes at a cost of his stamina regen rate being reduced.
There's also Dou Shi's choke hold. After parrying any attack, pressing and holding the middle mouse button will lock the opponent in a stranglehold, which will drain half the opponent's stamina.
Was speaking with @deadlyflan last night, and they brought up the idea of using traditional Chinese weapons for versions Venus/Mei Pieh Chi. Loved the idea, so here’s some of my favorites.
Tessen: my favorite, and original go-to. Still love this weapon, and it’s my choice for her “default” weapon.
Meteor hammer: weapon I loved in the past, never thought of using it for her before
Rope dart/Duel whip: cool long range chained weapon, love seing them in demonstrations
Wind-and-fire wheels/Deer horn knives: good substitute for the original Chakrams idea I had
Twin hammers: feels a bit too Raph, but I’m willing to ignore it because they’re cool.
Hook Sword: once saw these on a fan retool of an older TMNT figure, and thought it was cool
Special mention to the sansetsukon and tonfa, both cool weapons but I associate them more with Mikey and Raph, respectively.
More Guiying, my Avari elf oc. She uses a guandao as her main weapon. Which is kinda like a Chinese glaive. The weapon is properly called a yanyuedao which means 'reclining moon blade'. So cool.
When I was 15 we went to China and we went to see a martial arts show and were allowed to take photos with the performers and hold the weapons. Well, the one I first picked (ji polearm) was heavy and difficult to just pick up and hold straight up and off the ground. I don't understand why weapons like this are 'NEVER heavy' is all over here. There ARE heavy ones.
So, there's a couple important things to note. For obvious reasons, I can't examine that specific ji, but they usually weigh about 9lbs. Which isn't particularly heavy. Now, it is possible that the martial arts school was using a weighted ji as part of their act, or it could have been an ornate example. Even then, it would be unlikely to break around 15-20lbs. Which loops back to the original point, infantry melee weapons aren't heavy.
It is worth remembering that if you're picking up a weapon without any prior experience, it may feel much heavier than it's weight would imply. This is, in large part, because you don't know how to find the weapon's balance. As, I'm sure you noticed during the show, the trained practitioners had no problem spinning it around like a baton.
This is going to be true of most melee weapons. Even a sword, which weighs a fraction of what that ji does, may still feel awkward and heavy until you learn how to wield it.
With all that said, the ji is on the heavy side for melee weapons. That's generally true of polearms. They're large and a bit awkward (in the hands of the untrained), but the weight is still quite manageable once you learn how to hold them.
It's possible (though somewhat unlikely) the weapon was also simply too larger for you to wield. This tends to be more of an issue with being unable to effectively balance the weapon in your grip, rather than it simply being too heavy to physically lift.
With all of that said, heavy weapons do exist. One of the classic examples are parade swords, which were heavily ornamented, and could weigh up to 20lbs. The important thing to remember with these object is that they're art pieces, not functional weapons. However, the fifty pound greatsword that looks like it was fashioned out of a chrome bumper does not, and while an adult with average physical fitness could lift such a weapon, wielding one in combat would be extremely tiring.
Fatigue is the real reason you don't see heavy melee weapons. The heavier the object is, the more energy you need to expend getting it moving (or stopping it.) The more energy you burn getting your weapon up to speed, the faster you will exhaust. When you're exhausted and facing a fresh opponent, you die. (That last bit is part of why you never saw things like the 50lb greatsword. It's not enough to be able to utterly obliterate a foe in one strike, you also need to be ready for all of his friends that are waiting behind him.)
As mentioned earlier, weighted weapons can be used for shows like the one you attended. Usually the purpose is to adjust the center of gravity on the weapon to facilitate specific tricks, but I don't know if that was the case here.
Either way, what you're looking at isn't so much the amount of weight, as an unexpected point of balance. I don't know what your general physical fitness was as a teen, but lifting 10lbs should not be an issue for a 15-year-old. Consider that your winter coat probably weighed more than that ji. However, you were not expecting the weight distribution, and probably didn't know how much weight to expect. Also, while I didn't state it explicitly, weapons tend to feel heavier than they are, until you get used to them. This is a consequence of the weapon's point of balance being someplace you weren't expecting. It gets better, because it's surprisingly difficult to lift significant amounts of weight off your center of gravity. The normal exercise example of this is to lift and hold a small barbell at arm's length. If you've never tried it, (or tried to hold a gun on someone for an extended period of time), it's surprisingly difficult. No one is going to argue that 1-2lbs of weight is heavy, but when you're holding it out, away from your body, it feels much heavier, and takes more effort. So, the, “trick,” with the ji is to keep its center of balance is close to your center of gravity. That's actually pretty easy once you've started to build familiarity with the weapon, but it can result in a deceptive first encounter.
Finally, I hope it's self-explanatory, but a theatrical show is not the same as battlefield combat. A lot of the physical considerations, like the threat of being killed because you burned too much energy, aren't really a problem in a ninety minute show, where performers can rotate out. This leads to a flashier, more physically demanding performance. You couldn't take that performance onto a battlefield because, “exhausted then dead,” but it will entertain the crowds.
Which leads back to: No. Heavy weapons do exist, but their place is on the mantel or stage, not in combat. You NEVER want a weapon to be any heavier than is absolutely necessary, and in a lot of cases, when you can't get the weight down, that will diminish the value of that weapon in combat.
-Starke
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