#ben urich

[thewardenshand]

genuinely cannot express how funny daredevil is. matt defends people for high level felonies and then goes out and commits those same felonies and gets mad at frank for committing a different set of felonies. he goes to church and is like “father i committed a felony. i’m sorry :( i am gonna do it again tho :/” and the priest SHOULD be like “what the fuck. you know that’s a crime right. and your voice isn’t unrecognizable. it’s the middle of the day and this is a small church. matt get back here. matt. matt.” except that doesn’t happen and the priest just asks if he wants coffee. it’s hilarious.

#daredevil #nan noise #daredevil spoilers #matt murdock #charlie cox #foggy nelson #karen page #frank castle #the defenders #jessica jones #luke cage #ben urich #kingpin #wilson fisk #vincent d'onofrio

[foolsocracy]

With all the age discourse around Spider-Man Noir right now, I thought I’d compile parts of the comic that imply his age. I want to state that this pulling from his 2009-2010 comic run before the time skip, specifically the first volume. The spiderverse movie has taken a lot of liberties with the characters, so it is very possible that what Peters age is in 1933 in the comics is NOT what his age is in 1933 in the movies.

Peter’s age is not directly stated in his 1st comic run (I can’t speak for the 2020 ones because it has been a while since I read them, plus there’s like a 10 year jump). It IS however heavily implied that he is young. So much so that you can’t seem to go more than a page without someone referencing it.

Like, these all happen in the same scene. The writers beat you over the head with it.

In this issue alone Peter is called both “son” and “sonny” once, “boy” twice, and “kid” 8 times. Outside nouns, he is also referred to as young, and when Urich brings him to The Black Cat, Felicia calls it “babysitting.” Urich also asks Peter if he is “allowed out after midnight” but after some research I can’t seem to find any evidence of NYC having juvenile curfews at this point in time, though they did exist in lots of towns in the late 1800s and early 1900s because of child labor laws. I think this instance is just Pete just being young and an adult being concerned about his well-being.

It is also mentioned in this volume, and again in Eyes Without a Face (vol 2), that Peter wants to go to college in the future and is currently studying & saving up money to do so. This alone doesn’t necessarily mean he’s under 18 as there isn’t a max age to apply for college, plus Peter comes from a poor family during the Great Depression. It wouldn’t surprise me if he started college later than usual because of that (lack of funds & catching up due to not being in school/working).

There is other evidence that does imply he is under 18 though— he’s too young to drink alcohol!

Spider-Man Noir Vol 1 issue 1 starts in January 1933 before jumping back three weeks to December 1932 where Ben Urich meets Peter Parker

It is during December 1932 that he meets Felicia Hardy who owns the speakeasy The Black Cat. Prohibition is still in place and won’t be overwritten until a year later in December 1933. It is important to note that before Prohibition was instated, the drinking age in New York was 18 years old. That law is what the characters reference when they discuss drinking age. And most importantly, Peter doesn’t deny the fact that he’s too young to drink. He just snarks back in true Parker fashion

This is the most concrete evidence there is towards Peter being under 18 in the noirverse. It can even be argued that Peter is under 17 with how easily Felicia picks up on the fact that he’s underage (and that she does so from a distance might I add, as seen in the ‘babysitting’ panel).

There is also a panel where JJJ refers to Peter as an “orphan.” By definition, an orphan is a kid under 18. This is JJJ, so this can be taken with a grain of salt as he loves good ol hard-hitting words. When people speak they don’t always use words by their exact definitions; sometimes if you’re young and your parents are dead, JJJ is going to label you an orphan even if ur a legal adult lol. But if you take this at face value it’s definitely another indicator that Peter is under 18.

TLDR; Spider-Man Noir from his 2009-2010 comic run is most likely under 18, and can be argued to be 15-16+. If not that, then is definitely college aged or younger.

#Hoping praying the format is ok #Tumblr mobile is the death of me #Spider-Man noir #spiderman noir #spider noir #spiderverse #peter benjamin parker #hes just a little guy #ben urich #jj jameson #felicia hardy #Ok gn everyone #Snork memenemememee #If I wake up and the format is ass I’ll repost lol

[kevinfeiges]

Vondie Curtis-Hall as Ben Urich DAREDEVIL SEASON 1 (2015), created by Drew Goddard

#marveledit #daredeviledit #tvedit #MCU #Daredevil #Ben Urich #Vondie Curtis-Hall #** #marvelcharacter8

[lesbiandardevil]

family dinner

@ matt and karens apartment in between the holidays (close ups under cut)

#in MY. mind eye karen is alive and well and theyre engag[gunshot] #ben and doris are invited because theyre family too okay idgaf !! #candace is still in town or maybe she came back specifically for this idk #theyre all here #theyre family #that is all #daredevil stuff #daredevil #matt murdock #karen page #mattkaren #foggy nelson #candace nelson #ben urich #marvel comics #daredevil comics #karedevil #matt x karen #my art

[lildoodlenoodle]

Why I think Spider noir is on the younger side(18-20) in the new spiderverse movie per my previous post:

Let’s break it down by Context, Timeline, Mood, and ATSV

Context:

Spider noir has two comic runs that happen before COMICS spiderverse. With that said, there were like inter dimensional energy vampires and that’s obviously not the direction the spiderverse movies went with. So we’re going to largely disregard them for this. To expand, there was a big time jump between that last noir comic and the spiderverse ones. Peter would be closer to mid/late 20s at the start of the comics spiderverse and therefore ITSV if we were to integrate and replace the timelines, BUT I always hated the way they did that time jump in the comics and what it did to Peter’s character.

It felt like they were trying to tie him into 616 Peter wayyyy too much by making his love interest MJ(who we rlly haven’t seen and what we have seen hasn’t had good chemistry), have a good relationship with May(they rlly brushed him shooting someone in front of her and calling him an animal under the rug Huh), and going to college(I get it I do, but unlike most universes I don’t think this Peter could ever stop spiderman enough). There wasn't really any mention of Felicia, Urich, or Robby and their past. They also changed his webbing, his look, and his spider senses.

I felt like that was completely getting rid of all of Peter's characterization and he just becomes the spider with a gun from the 1930s. But the point is they clearly went in a very different artistic and narrative direction after the time jump to a point where it doesn’t feel like the same character.

Refitting the timeline:

So, scrapping the comics spiderverse timeline, I don’t really see a reason for a disjointed time jump. And after those first two comic runs it can be argued, for this Peter, that ITSV happens much sooner for him after that second run, possibly even after the first comic. Then ATSV would happen after that second run. There is an 8mo. time jump between the two runs so it is definitely feasible.

But let’s talk about mood between the runs.

We all know at least somewhat this Peter's origin, and if you don’t, to sum it up: organized crime, monsters, socialism, cannibalism.

The first run ends, Peter beats the goblin without killing him and he’s feeling pretty good about himself/confident. But he’s still got a lot of well deserved angst and self hatred. His uncle is dead, his new mentor/father figure is dead, his relationship with May is on the rocks to say the least, and there’s the whole Felicia thing. He’s still a high schooler and in that teen range, but a big ass lanky teenager who's only solid looking because of the gear he wears. I’d place him around 16-18, a case could be made for 15 but I’m going to politely disagree. ITSV could very easily be fairly soon after these events.

It’s 8 months after the first run. He becomes cocky and overconfident this whole next issue, possibly because of an interdimensionally inflated ego? Point is he feels on top of his game. Also worth mentioning, he’s ignoring MJ this whole issue to the point the audience knows basically nothing about her while he is having a very intense relationship with Felicia(which we already know how I feel about that whole mess) and who MJ is very blatantly and very badly a foil to.(I love MJ she is just not well written here).

The second run ends, his best friend/possible love interest(I said what I said), Robbie, is dead and unavenged.(I can talk a lot more about Robbie and what effect he had and will have on Peter going forward, also the disservice of his ‘death’) Felicia is disfigured and blames Peter. Peter not only blames himself for all this but the comic ends with him saying he feels powerless and a constant sense of impending doom. He really did not get a single win during this comic, man got the shit beaten out of him too. The age at the end of this comic is 17-19. After the last comic dude was messed up but still had hope, after this one we don’t see the fall out, but I can assure it was BAD. That whole ‘you don’t have to kill the bad guy thing’ is probably out the fucking window. I’m more hesitant to think ITSV happened after this run because of that. He isn’t just depressed or self loathing anymore, he isn’t just playing fast and loose with his life to get results. He does not care, he has no hope, and he doesn’t see a good future.

Pre - ATSV predictions with mild spoilers:

With the year and a couple of months time jump for ATSV it’s very plausible that the events of that last run plus possible spider task force shenanigans could happen before the movie. For more context in the comics spider noir was a recurring spider in the ‘elite strike force’. Personally, if he was invited, I could very much see him accepting, especially with his current mental state, and being very aggressive about it. Which, theoretically, could cause him to get kicked off or make a rash decision to leave bc fuck those guys. But the point is at the end of that last comic this man really doesn’t have a single win, he is in a prime state to be manipulated in.

Edit: my dumbass forgot literally the most important detail. The year 1933 is when ITSV noir comes from which matches this timeline with the comics as well.

To sum everything up, the reason why I think spider noirs age is in the 18/20 range is because it fits the above timeline, which I believe to be the most probable timeline of events that are canon by the movies while also staying consistent with at least some of the original comics. It should be further noted there is no evidence of his age throughout the ITSV movie, besides him being played by Nicholas Cage and being tall. In fact, I’d argue due to his excessive use of slang it would naturally place him in a younger category as well as the classic melodramaticness that can come with being a coping teenager. The most important thing that makes his age and at what point in his storyline he’s in up to interpretation is the fact that we see his face once and it’s heavily shadowed. If we saw his face more I’d feel better about giving him a more solid age, but till then context clues for the win. But anyways, this was long and I still have more I could get into/say and I will eventually. Feel free to ask any questions or even tell me why you disagree!

#never claimed my takes were correct or sane but holy shit I will bring receipts #no hate to anyone who HCs him older cause I do understand and see it #especially if you haven’t read the comics or are including the spidergeddon jumping off point #spiderverse spoilers #only like a little #it’s more noir comic spoilers lol #into the spiderverse #across the spiderverse #I cannot wait to see him in beyond the spiderverse #these comics refuse to leave my brain #spider noir conspiracies #spidernoir #spiderman noir #spider noir #marvel #peter benjamin parker #Peter parker #ben urich #robbie robertson #Felicia hardy #mary jane watson #may parker #Ben parker #ITSV #ATSV #marvel noir

[why-i-love-comics]

Daredevil #4 - "Introductory Rites IV" (2023)

written by Saladin Ahmed art by German Peralta & Jesus Aburtov

#daredevil #matt murdock #ben urich #marvel #marvel comics #wednesday spoilers #spoilers #comic spoilers

[maevespunchbop]

Guys

Hoping that is Ben I don't remember when I got that image

#spiderman noir #peter benjamin parker #robbie robertson #ben urich

[iateyourburrito]

Hello spider Noir community. This is the first actual anything I've been able to draw in weeks. I crave death.

#spiderman noir #ben urich #ben Urich Spider-Man Noir #spider man noir #fanart #why was this the first thing I've been able to draw in WEEKS #the raid meme??? #i mean we must be joking #havin a little goof #havin a little gaff #this man is my babygirl #if you read that last tag no you didn't

[lavander-gooms]

I never noticed in these comic panels

Urich is giggling

#I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR KILLING HIM OFF #HE'S JUST A SILLY UNCLE FIGURE #I'm going to go out on a limb and say even a dad figure #spiderman noir #spider noir #noir comics #ben urich

[wr3hart]

Betty and the Bugle.

#spiderman #peter parker #j jonah jameson #glory grant #robbie robertson #ben urich #kat cushing #the daily bugle

[blink182times]

Connection to Ben Urich perhaps??

#daredevil #daredevil born again #charlie cox #matt murdock #genneya walton #ben urich

[foolsocracy]

why'd ur mom let u have TWO uncle bens???

#and whyd u find both their dead bodies #hashtag parker fortune #my art #im obsessed can u tell #// blood #i guess LMAOO #ben urich #peter benjamin parker #spider noir #spiderman noir #spiderverse #cause im mooching #obsessed w the relationship between peter and urich btw just so u know #ohhhhhhh hes so father figure hes so mentor hes so #also i hate peters dumb purple scarf he always wears it CLASHES W UR FIT BOY

[vertigoartgore]

1981's Comics Feature #14 cover by Frank Miller and Klaus Janson.

#daredevil #DD #frank miller #new york #justice is blind #so is he #the man without fear #matt murdock #elektra #80's #80s #1980s #1981 #klaus janson #hornhead #turk #grotto #kingpin #Josie bar #foggy nelson #heather glenn #marvel #elektra saga #bullseye #gladiator #stick #kirigi #the punisher #the hand #ben urich

[comicwaren]

From Uncanny Avengers Vol. 4 #004, “Unmasked!”

Art by Javier Garrón and Morry Hollowell

Written by Gerry Duggan

#uncanny avengers #ben urich #wildside #richard gill #fenris #andrea von strucker #andreas von strucker #captain krakoa #steve rogers #black widow #natasha romanoff #psylocke #kwannon #captain america #deadpool #wade wilson #quicksilver #pietro maximoff #penance #monet st. croix #blob #fred dukes #rogue #anna marie lebeau #marvel #comics #marvel comics

[lildoodlenoodle]

Ok for the people who have read the spidernoir comics specifically the first ones(and it’s been awhile so correct me if I’m wrong) but did anyone else think Felicia and Peter had a weird relationship?

Don’t get me wrong across the board/universes they have a very complex and complicated relationship and I love that for them! But let’s focus on the 90214 earth or noir universe. So we meet Peter right, exact age I don’t think is specified but it’s largely implied high school age. Then we meet Felicia, again age not specified but she’s portrayed as a lounge singer past her prime and is running the Black Cat speakeasy. So we know she’s been around a bit. But then we find out she’s Ben Urich’s ex or ‘old flame’. Which makes the Peter Felicia relationship weird because it could be argued that Urich becomes a type of father figure after Ben Parker’s passing. To clarify sleeping with your new(also newly dead at that point)father figure’s ex girlfriend IS FUCKING WEIRD. Now next, Urich, again no age, is at least 40s if not 50s or older, and I’m leaning older because it’s implied he’s been working with Jonah for a long ass time and they are equals in terms of experience. Jonah is usually portrayed in his 50s-60s. So how old exactly is Felicia to be Urichs longtime on again off again girlfriend? To add to this Felicia seems very well established with a lot of experience in the underground and crime scene.

Now let’s circle back: when Peter meets Felicia he is very much a teenager and implied to be under 18. Felicia is his somewhat father figure/bosses ex girlfriend, who meets Peter through her ex boyfriend, and then sleeps with Peter pretty soon after her ex dies. Felicia is implied to at least be in her 30s if not older following context clues.

Again we have no real timeline for anything and no confirmed ages so its definitely up to interpretation. There are a lot of plot holes in the spidernoir comics in general but this is one that has always bugged me, especially since a lot of people really like the noir spideycat ship. And they do have a couple of sweet moments throughout the noir comics and I do love them in other universes but I can’t get over the ick in this one.

I wanna hear peoples opinions on this so please comment or reblog with your thoughts and takes!

#I gotta know if I’m reading this wrong #I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS #To clarify no hate to spideycat I love them but it’s not feeling great in this universe #spider noir conspiracies #eyes without a face #spidernoir #spider noir #spiderman noir #Spider-Man noir #spiderverse #spiderman into the spiderverse #spidernoir comics #ben urich #benjamin urich #felicia hardy #Peter parker #peter benjamin parker #Ben parker #benjamin parker #earth 90214 #spideycat #feliciapeter #peterfelicia #black cat #j jonah jameson

[why-i-love-comics]

Daredevil #4 - "Introductory Rites IV" (2023)

written by Saladin Ahmed art by German Peralta & Jesus Aburtov

#daredevil #matt murdock #ben urich #marvel #marvel comics #wednesday spoilers #spoilers #comic spoilers