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feltpool · 2 years
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I have no idea how to title this one
But I’m clearing out some of the thoughts in my head about the Bad Batch show based on my own constantly wandering train of thought.
Maybe it contains spoilers, maybe I’m talking utter nonsense, only time will tell, but either way read on at your own risk.
This is the only warning of potentially spoilery contents under the cut you’re getting.
Back in April, shortly after I posted my thoughts on Dogma, I was scrolling through Tumblr when I happened across a gif set which spurred the following rambling to a mutual of mine:
Tech has a more extreme version of Tup's hairline I don't think anyone wants to hear me attempt to suggest that Tech is zombie Tup though :D Not until Halloween at least I might have to remember it for that actually . I could definitely argue it though Brain dead, no physical injuries Weird as shit hairline Willingness for Hunter to listen to him without question because he remembers the man he used to be The hair colour difference could be a mutation caused by the Kams interference The accent plugged into him by automatic process, and not by learning it himself . Oh crap. Is Tech Tup? I mean, I was joking.  But…
And this is a ludicrous sounding concept, I’m well aware of that, but bear with me for a moment.
Because horror isn’t the only genre the writers have been stealing from here.
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We all saw Tup die – didn’t we?
Not only did we all see that happen, but it happened in Nala Se’s med bay with her standing Right. There.
And we don’t linger on the scene of his death (which I’m not complaining about, poor man just died) so we have no clue how fast she might have wheeled him into the freezer or pumped him full of drugs to stave off physical decay but since Palpatine later says his personal physicians examined his body he was definitely and absolutely dead, or his doctors suck at their job to a truly incredible level.
But we have no real idea of just what the Kaminoans technologies are capable of accomplishing at this point in time.
They churn out clones in their millions and we just accept that and move on. But resurrecting the dead is way outside of anything that we’ve seen them do at any point, even if we know that Dead Troopers are something the Empire created later on, according to Legends sources.
We’re told that the Batch are ‘enhanced’ clones with no explanation of what that actually means, and we accept that and move on too.
But what does it mean? By what exact process are these clones genetically ‘enhanced’?
If this squad of clones were standard troopers to begin with how are they now taller, paler, stronger, etc than they used to be? (Obviously I have ideas about this, they gave us a big enough hint reference on Bora Vio after all and the movie they culled that from is obvious enough if you’ve seen it)
I’m not seeing any future in nice answers to any of these questions, but then I never really have.
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Does all of this explain why Nala Se was SO adamant about wanting to murder and autopsy Tup rather than trying to remove the chip and give him a chance at survival, no matter how fleeting it might be? Fives could not only have exposed what had been tested out on Republic property but also have had this perfect test subject stolen right out from under her nose, and the longer she had to wait to get her hands on him the more damage could accumulate and the less use he might be.
Look at it like that and it makes a lot more sense that she injected Fives with whatever was in that syringe. Not for Lord Tyranus, or the Chancellor, or for keeping the head chips secret, just to guard her own back.
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Dead man walking is a bold claim though, isn’t it?
Normally yes, but in this case I’m not so sure.
These people are cloners after all. Tech doesn’t have Tup’s tattoo, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have his exact DNA, a sample taken after he’d been subjected to the process which made his chip cause him problems in the first place
Nala Se is surprised by what she finds when she’s examining him, and it’s only once she sees what’s happening to him that she gets aggressively keen on terminating him before anyone else can see it either. Especially once the phase 5 atomic scan has been suggested, because according to Shaak Ti it would show “if his thought processes are still functioning normally.” and she really doesn’t want anyone else to see what’s happening with his brain functions just then.
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Tup was the first person we know of that this process was tested on. So there’s a good chance that he’s the ‘original genetic material’ being referred to here, not the sample of Jango’s DNA from which all of the clones are derived.
Lama Su: If Rampart has his way, conscripted soldiers will make clones obsolete. I fear for the future of our operation. We must ensure our clones remain essential.
Nala Se: The original genetic material from Jango Fett continues to degrade.
Lama Su: Then it is time to begin the next phase. If your experiment can yield a superior clone, it will secure our relationship with this Empire.
Nala Se: Such a contingency cannot be created without a direct source. The clones required will not return willingly.
Lama Su: They are Kaminoan property, and we only need one. Our survival hinges on it.
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But if he ‘continues to degrade’ what does that mean? He seems to be fine, doesn’t he?
Yeah, but that’s also not quite what I mean.
Because we could have cloned Tup, aka Tech, walking around with the Batch, and original Tup, aka rotting experimental sample that’s been kept for further testing, being kept down in bowels of Kamino waiting for the day that someone comes along and destroys it. (Source: Alien Resurretion)
I mean, they’d hardly keep that in Nala Se’s nice shiny secret lab where she’d been keeping Omega prior to the start of this show. All of those hidden wnderwater tunnels had to go somewhere, so who knows how many secret labs Kamino had
And as the boys enter their barracks after returning to Kamino in Ep 01:
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Tech walks in first, followed by Echo. But Echo’s already sniffing the air as he walks into the room. So is it really the room he’s picking up on, or just the general stink that’s accumulating on that level? Has their absence allowed the smell to build up in that room where movement in the corridor outside has prevented that from happening?
Hunter tells him he’ll get used to it which suggests that this is far from a new problem, and that no one on Kamino has any problem with letting them live like that. And only Crosshair makes any sort of complaint about it.
They distract from any further questions by then having Echo look around the room.
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So what does this mean for Tech?
Tech comments to Echo that he’s ‘more machine than man, percentage wise at least’ but there’s a strong possibility that he’s no different. An android with a surface skin which gives the illusion of being a clone like everyone else, and who has the installed training of a clone, but who isn’t actually a clone.
The Techno Union had the means with which to create a cyborg out of a clone, but cutting out the middleman and creating their won droid army would keep the Kaminoans in operations for a long time to come. Just as long as no one notices what they’re doing
And an army of constructs that are fully controllable and doesn’t need any sort of head chip to give them orders? Far superior to these clones running about having their own opinions, refusing to follow orders, defecting, and removing their controls chips. Far better to have an army in which you can just send a signal directly to their electronic brain and allow them no option but to comply.
But what suggests that Tech may not be as human as he appears to be?
Tech has never shown any sign of growing facial hair. No 5 o’clock shadow, no beard. Nothing. But everyone else shows that, including Echo.
And yet, following surgery on Bracca, his hair has managed to grow back overnight making him look exactly the same as he did the day before even though the incision on his head shouldn’t have had time to heal up yet.
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He doesn’t eat in the mess hall. He has food on the tray in front of him, but only moves a roll from one side of his tray to the other. Everyone else is shown to be going through the motions of eating even if that isn’t specifically animated.
We also don’t see Hunter give him any rations in the following episode when he’s handing them out.
He does appear to drink in the bar (Source: Alien/Aliens), but whether that just passes straight through his system is unknown - and will hopefully remain so.
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All the way back in TCW S7, Ep 03 Hunter says “He records everything. It's a hobby.”
But is that just disgusing the fact that his robot brain automatically records everything and Hunter was deflecting attention by dismissing it as ‘a hobby’ to prevent anyone asking any questions about it? Does he store his recordings externally, by uploading his memory storage to an external location during a ‘sleep’ cycle, or in the Marauder’s data banks? When we see him using his wrist device and datapad is that just a visual used to conceal the times he’s accessing his memory storage?
When they run into Omega in Ep 01 and he assesses her as an adolescent female he puts his hand to his head and shifts his eyes around like he’s reading information from a screen even though he isn’t holding one.
But he doesn’t put his hand to his goggles, he puts it to the side of his head, just above the device on the side of his goggles. It’s very reminiscent of how Echo holds his head when he’s accessing the Separatist mainframe before he gets his fancy headpiece.
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And we see him do a similar thing back in TCW S7, Ep 04 when he says he’s intercepting a transmission about Trench ordering all of his droids to the assembly room.
He’s tapping on the device on his arm, stops and says he’s intercepting a transmission. And after that he’s just processing it mentally. You see him working through it in his head and the way it affects how he says what he does.
But because we initially saw him using the device on his arm we assume that that’s how he picked up the message instead of receiving it by alternate means.
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In the brig he looks stressed while trying to work out how to escape from the holding cell, but without his devices and backpack/helmet aerials he may not be able to connect to the systems which would allow him to view the construction design. He has to rely solely on his own knowledge for an answer, which would be highly unusual for him if he’s used to being able to rely on having access to external information.
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And what about the way Tech talks? His supposedly ‘British’ accent?
To quote from Wikipedia:
“Foreign accent syndrome is a medical condition in which patients develop speech patterns that are perceived as a foreign accent that is different from their native accent, without having acquired it in the perceived accent's place of origin
Foreign accent syndrome usually results from a stroke but can also develop from head trauma, migraines or developmental problems. The condition might occur due to lesions in the speech production network of the brain, or may also be considered a neuropsychiatric condition.”
Or it could simply be programmed into him directly and just happen to come out sounding like that.
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And what of the scene on Bracca where Omega asks him what the war was like and he gives her an answer that sounds like he’s reading a page from a military manual on what war is.
Omega: Tech… what was the war like?
Tech: It was a primary mission objective comprised of battles on various fronts.
Omega: But what was it like?
Tech: Hmm? I just told you.
Hits differently if you’re willing to consider that he might not remember what the war was like, doesn’t it?
A droid’s memory can be copied, it’s data and stored in files. When R2-D2 is captured everyone is concerned about how all of hs knowledge could be taken and used by others.
So why would the Kaminoans not experiment with being able to copy a clone's memory so they can automatically transfer all of that training to a new body if they die. All that training and experience installed in a fresh clone in minutes, just like a droid.
So if Tup's mind was copied before he died and then transferred into this new body it might have all of his training but not necessarily all of his memories. (Source: Blake’s 7, Project Avalon) I mean, this was hardly the best of circumstances to be attempting this, unless a recording was taken before he was ‘enhanced’ in the first place
His training would be tied to a physical response and might be easier, or at least different to access, but not his recollection of the war and what happened on the missions he took part in.
Or it might simply have been deleted to prevent him remembering who he used to be and what he’d previously done. Removing those memories would also mean he wouldn’t remember where he’d been for those five days he was missing on Ringo Vinda that gets casually mentioned one time in Ep 02 of the Fives arc when the Jedi are discussing his welfare, and never mentioned again. Which removes any threat of him exposing who did that to him in the first place.
That’s no different really to the reprogramming we’ve seen done to Crosshair to make him forget who he is and to force him to display loyalty to the Empire and to want to follow their orders.
But placing mental blocks and/or false memories into someone’s head runs the risk of them breaking down given sufficient time, or the right sort of prompt, just the same as the hold the inhibitor chips had on the other clones appeared to wear off over time. And that might happen more easily in some people than others.
No one seemed to think Crosshair’s strange behaviour back in Ep 01 was anything out of the ordinary, after all.
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So why doesn’t Tech have a full set of commando armour?
Everyone else has one. Katarn class armour all painted up in the colours the Batch wear. Echo gets a whole new set of matching armour when he joins their team so it makes even less sense that Tech is lacking a set when Echo’s only been with the team for a short time.
But you can’t requisition armour for a dead man, can you?
And if you put a request in for the never before seen CT number 9901 people might start asking questions you don’t want to be asked.
Sidelining the others as ‘faulty goods but we’re working on it’ would allow them to file a request for new armour before rebranding them and sending them out as an all new experimental squad, but Tup is officially deceased so that isn’t an option.
And Tup didn't have his armour when he died. He’d been stripped down to his undersuit and strapped to a gurney before he was shipped out of Ringo Vinda,  long before he actually made it as far as Kamino.
Everyone else has their original helmet, remodelled and repainted but still the ones they started out with. Tech doesn’t even have that.
Oh no, what he gets instead is this:
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I mean, seriously? A skull with a lightning bolt through it? Like he’s been created in a laboratory using lightning a la Frankenstein's monster? Really?
Just because it’s done in a cute 8-bit style does not make that ok!
It isn’t exactly subtle, but we gloss past it regardless because CF99′s logo is a skull even if it isn’t the same as that one.
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Everyone comments on how odd it is that he's so badly protected, that his thighs and abdomen are left so exposed, but no one really seems to wonder whether or not that matters. (Source: Terminator)
But if his armour comes from scrounging up parts left behind by dead troopers, a chest plate here, some leg and arm plates there, a helmet with a non-working HUD remodelled to work with a fold down visor instead, all finished off with one of Jango’s left behind utility belts, then that makes a lot more sense of his odd way of dressing.
But why no thigh plates and no abdominal protection?
Because, whether everyone agrees with it or not, he’s taller than a standard trooper now, and those parts are highly noticeable if they don’t fit anymore.
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Boots slightly too short? The strapping and knee pads help to hide that, but if the thigh plates don’t cover the gap between the knee pads and the crotch plate that’s going to be glaringly obvious.
And if the chest protection isn’t meeting the tummy cover that’s going to give you the same problem.
Especially with the high contrast of white on black.
And they work to distract us from noticing Tech’s height all the time, or haven’t you noticed how much time he spends sitting down or leaning over compared with everyone else, or is framed in such a way that it minimises how tall he looks without it being obvious?
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Here they switch it up so that Echo is the one leaning forwards, and because he’s the one in motion we focus on him and not Tech standing on one side. And we already know that Omega is shorter than everyone else.
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Even here, when everyone else is in shot and standing upright, Tech still manages to be hunched forwards:
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Ho, ho ho, look at Tech and his bad posture. Right?
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Tech having a set of armour put together from other troopers leftovers also fits with the rest of the substandard items the Batch have access to.
A faulty gonk droid that no one else wants and likely no one would notice if it went missing
A small attack shuttle that’s in such a poor state that the troopers investigating it in Ep 02 said “It's a mess. No wonder it was abandoned.”, and it isn’t like you’d abandon a ship just because of trash on the floor, is it?
And it is a small shuttle. The Rebels crew live on the Ghost and use the Phantom for missions. But the Batch are living permanently on their equivalent of the Phantom.
Almost everything the Batch have been provided with, including Tech’s armour, is the dregs that a bunch of men who’re not supposed to be on active duty have been given because no one else is going to miss it.
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So how do they manage to operate within the GAR if they’re clones who don’t technically exist?
Cody.
He’s the only person we’ve seen within the army who knew them, the others had only heard stories about them. And with his high rank he can cover for them being around other clones on the odd occasion that they are, and maybe even make sure they can access fuel and other supplies from time to time.
But this post isn’t about Cody, so I’m not getting into how else he might fit into all of this here.
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potatounicoorn · 14 days
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It's a hereditary trait, nothing to be done😔
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socksandbuttons · 9 months
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ANYWAY, The thought to then use the Eclipse concept art the used for Lunar (@damien-candle) And Bean-ify him as well. (did u know this version has BACK BOW? I love it so much actually)
Anyway, it'd just be fair to also turn him small like Lunar. Because technically... technically he still doesn't have his OWN body yet. And also just would be a justifying way for him. Yeah LEARN but also BE SMALL.
(It'd be funny, however seems not true now, if this was why he was scared of the future.)
The Bean Future. Eclipse is still eclipse theres no memory wipe. He might still have that smoker voice. He's just Small now.
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sobasluuurp · 8 months
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you know, aside from the fact that I fully believe that All Might living would be 100% more interesting and is backed with past foreshadowing and theming, there's another factor that points to that outcome.
The only other time Nighteye's prediction has been wrong was back at the Overhaul battle, in which Deku used Eri's quirk to prevent himself from sustaining injury. At the time, fans speculated that the true reason that Nighteye's prediction didn't come true was because her quirk messes with the natural flow of time, thus negating Nighteye's ability to accurately view what was in store -- in other words, her quirk's ability to literally undo what would've happened in any other situation distorted the vision that Nighteye saw because, well, she undid it before it could happen. And you know what quirk is yet again in play now that All Might is in his would-be final battle? It's Eri's (reverse-engineered) quirk again.
Perhaps if AFO wasn't rewinding indefinitely -- if he was at his full power and maturity -- he would've been able to easily kill All Might here. But instead Rewind is coursing through his veins, and whatever might've happened without it is doomed to never be. He's missing quirks he gained later in life, he's impulsive and desperate, and All Might is just as determined as ever. He's got this, and he'll live.
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vermin-disciple · 6 months
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I know the fandom latched onto the 'Jeff's Inn by the Sea' thing early on as some sort of romantic idealized Retirement Goals (TM) endgame, but to me this has always sounded less 'domestic bliss' and more 'unmitigated disaster,' and the finale has definitely not changed my opinion on that. Like I'm giving this venture about a week before both of them are metaphorically clawing the curtains and gnawing the furniture. And the only reason I'm giving them that long is because I'm assuming they spend the majority of that first week screwing each other's brains out (with a few intermittent breaks for incompetent attempts at house renovation). Anne and Mary's antique shop really feels like foreshadowing here. Or at least a warning.
Glad they've got a chance to fail at something together, though (other than communicating about their relationship). Love that for them.
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hood-ex · 11 months
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Jon tries to prove that he knows Injustice Damian by mentioning how much Damian loved Dick, and while I think it's silly for Jon to automatically assume that his Damian and Injustice Damian have the same feelings for Dick, I can still find some satisfaction in the knowledge that, in the main universe, Damian's love for Dick is apparent to others, or at least, obvious to Jon. (Sure would've been nice if they had actually shown Jon making that observation between Dick and Damian or if he could tell based on the way Damian talked about Dick. Alas, DC didn't make time for such a thing.)
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Adventures of Superman: Jon Kent #4
"I know how much you loved Dick Grayson and what losing your brother could do to you. And I know you never would have intentionally hurt him."
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idiedwithclonehigh · 11 months
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Some
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BODY ONCE TOLD ME
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chiwithekiwi · 11 months
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no but i genuinely would be fascinated to see miguel drop his mentality of "the ends justify the means" and him and miles seeing eye to eye only for him to realise that miles is the exact kind of kid that he would have hoped his own daughter could have been. him facing miles after realising the extent of the horror that he inflicted upon him in not just his actions but his words. miles looks at him and sees a man beyond his limits and cannot hold any of it against him despite knowing that he has every right to hate him for what he did to him. miguel wishes he would hate him, because that would at least make the remorse easier to manage in knowing what he did to someone else's child
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wegog · 8 months
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Himawari & Shikadai in Chapter 81
'Your moves were great. That's what Kawaki's little sister is supposed to be like.'
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figs-oliomedley · 1 year
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I hope to GOD that if the Ninja *are* split that we don't get the usual pairings. Cole and Jay is always nice, but I wanna see the ever-elusive Jay and Zane dynamic. How does Pixal interact 1 on 1 with a ninja who isn't Kai or Zane? I WANT THE DYNAMICS, PEOPLE!!!
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i can’t believe that Dana managed to fix the Huntlow in the EXACT way i wanted it to be fixed
i was all worried about it because Willow’s entire character was just helping people. not only was her holding things in to help people was addressed, it was addressed by hunter.
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darklight-owl · 5 months
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Wtf did Dimitri mean "molecular instability". Was Claire's body dipping in and out of the blast? Did warm breezes feel like fire on her skin? Did the cold night air smell like smoke? Did the sunrise look like the flash of an explosion? Did she feel her body turning to ash, only to realize she was still alive?
I... I need to lie down.
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itsnothingofinterest · 11 months
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So chapter 390 thoughts: it was a cool action scene and all, an impressive feat from Shoto to use his quirk like that with his family, and I’m sure it’ll look very cool in the anime. Oh, and I loved Toga’s scene and her words for Dabi too, that was genuinely just great. But as a resolution to the Todoroki plotline, if it really is their final resolution...well be warned that I’m about to get a bit negative about a chapter people seem to really like. Sorry.
I guess on Shoto’s end, it was an okay conclusion to his arc. Because his arc was about becoming a hero who puts people at ease, and shutting down a bomb right as he arrives...meets that criteria I guess. But it also feels kind of a rushed conclusion to his arc this way; as ironic as that may sound when he’s been flying here for 4 chapters. I mean I knew he’d stop the bomb easy; but did anyone else think there’d be more after to do or was it just me?
Endeavor’s conclusion kind of just sucks. He spent his whole arc talking about how he’d make things up to his family; not through empty words, just watch his actions! And then in the end all he does is apologize before passing out. That and “I don’t want to watch you die” being the only nice things he says or does for Touya and that’s it, that was his whole contribution to saving Dabi. Why did we spend all that time with him?
And on Dabi’s end...full disclosure: after this post, I’m likely to go into denial that he’s really down for the count like after 352 because this was possibly everything I ever actually feared for his conclusion. Now that he’s been saved from the intimidate threat of explosion that Shoto was well equipped to easily handle; Touya’s just over it. Never mind his words from the last chapter; he loves his family now*. And seemingly now they’re gonna do the hard part, talking through their emotions and coming to an actual resolution, off-screen as we move on to the next fight. ‘Cause that’s what being a hero is all about: saving that day from physical threat in as big & flashy a way as possible by overwhelming it with numbers & power, then skipping over the hard part violence can’t easily fix.
Man, I almost envy the people who were worried Dabi could die that can just be satisfied that he didn’t. (Unless they’re caught up in the debate about how he will die actually. Even after Shoto saved him. This might be the pot calling the kettle back but man there’s no convincing some people, huh?)
*Early scans tell that he said hated his family; but as I understand, he did that thing in the written japanese language where he said one thing but meant another. Dabi does this a lot.
Although I can’t find the post the claims this anymore and don’t know enough japanese to confirm it myself so maybe I’m wrong? I’d be happy if I was, all the more reason to hope this isn’t the end of the Todoroki plot that way.
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phddyke · 1 year
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So if Eda has canonically visited puppet!Raine, do you think she’s spoken to them? And if so—do you think they heard her, since Hooty could apparently understand Lilith? And if they could hear her, COULD THE OTHER SEVEN COVEN HEADS HEAR HER AS WELL?
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melikes-reads · 4 months
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Me vs. the Doctor Who 2023 specials
The Star Beast: [exists]
Me: Finally! The Doctor and Donna together again! Donna being her wonderful self, which now also means wonderful mother! Rose! The Meep! My chosen pronoun is the definite article!
Wild Blue Yonder: [exists]
Me: Gravity jokes! Spaceship! One hour of the Doctor and Donna’s show, uninterrupted banter! Wilf!
The Giggle: [exists]
Me: No. I can’t do it.
The Giggle: [exists]
Me: You don’t understand. I can’t watch my favourite Doctor go away AGAIN. I cannot. I WILL NOT.
The Giggle: Come on, you know you want to watch me!
Me: I will ignore you forever so my Doctor will never regenerate and will get to be with his best mate and-
The Giggle: What about Ncuti?
Me: Good point. Why can’t I have both?!
The Giggle: [makes incredibly convincing puppy eyes]
Me: What?! I CAN have both?! David Tennant AND Ncuti Gatwa? My Doctor gets a family! HAPPY ENDING FOR EVERYONE! I’m not crying, you’re crying!
Bonus scene
The Giggle: In Russell T Davies you should trust.
Me: That sounded vaguely American. Aren’t you supposed to be British?
The Giggle: I mean, I’m on Disney+ now….
Me: Oh, right. Well, in Russell T Davies we trust :)
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waspwithablog · 1 year
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is this something
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