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princess-polls · 28 days
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Round One: 1C
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ginnungagay · 8 months
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study that turned into pink princess void,,,
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The Ultimate Vriska Poll - Calling for Nominations
My Tumblr Sexywoman poll is going well and I'm having a lot of fun, so I'm thinking of holding a poll to find Tumblr's most iconic Vriska-archetype character. If you don't know what a Vriska archetype is, Tumblr user @doubleca5t coined the term as follows:
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Sexypedia didn't have a specific page for the Vriska archetype (the link shown in the screenshot leads to a page titled "Controversial"), but here's what it has to say on the topic:
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Now that Tumblr's had time to get a smattering of blorbos that can be considered Vriskas, I want to pit these bad bitches against each other. I want to put them in a box and shake them until they fight to the death. I want the intense campaigning, voter fraud, and sabotage that happened around the original Vriska Serket in the Tumblr Sexywoman poll by Tumblr user @lutzlig. But I want it 32-fold.
The start date for this tournament will tentatively be February 19th. The structure will likely be like the Tumblr Sexywoman poll. Before that, I will be collecting a list of at least 16, preferably 32, Vriska-archetype characters. I will be considering nominations until February 17th, 6 PM PST.
The character you nominate must fulfill at least 4/5 of the requirements of a Vriska. UPDATE: I have decided to expand requirement 4 to just "queer" instead of strictly "attracted to women." Requirements 2, 3, and 5 are mandatory. This is so that male (and nb) characters like Bakugou from BNHA can still participate. As well as characters that don't really get shipped a lot. Like Lilith from The Owl House. (I'm sorry queen I've found someone more controversial) However, I will reject characters if I feel they fall more into other archetypes. Like Komaedas.
The list so far is as follows:
Vriska Serket (duh) (Homestuck)
Catra (She Ra and the Princesses of Power)
Lucretia (The Adventure Zone)
Bakugou Katsuki (Boku No Hero Academia)
Chloe Bourgeois (Miraculous Ladybug)
Alador Blight (The Owl House)
Edelgard Von Hresvelg (Fire Emblem)
Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond (Steven Universe)
Ianthe Tridentarius (The Locked Tomb)
Princess Bubblegum (Adventure Time)
Azula (Avatar the Last Airbender)
Mapleshade (Warrior Cats)
Amber Bennett (Invincible)
Starlight Glimmer (My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic)
Asuka Langley Soryu (Evangelion)
Abby Anderson (The Last of Us)
Silco (Arcane)
Magnus The Red (Warhammer 40K)
Yennefer (Witcher)
Alphys (Undertale)
King Andrias (Amphibia)
C!Dream (Dream SMP)
Hiyoko Saionji (Super Danganronpa 2)
Sayaka Maizono (Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc)
Prince Lotor (Voltron: Legendary Defender)
Homura Akemi (Puella Magi Madoka Magica)
Dahlia Hawthorne (Ace Attorney)
Kiwi (Cyberpunk Edgerunners)
Mabel Pines (Gravity Falls)
Alice "Daisy" Tonner (The Magnus Archives)
Nanami Kiryuu (Revolutionary Girl Utena)
Grace Monroe (Infinity Train)
If you want to add or remove a character on this list, DM or send me an ask. I may ask you for clarification if I'm not familiar with the franchise or fandom. Remember that this poll is just for fun. While I love a bit of drama, I hope it's kept at a level where everyone's still having fun. This poll, like the sexywoman poll, is about the most "iconic" Vriska. What that means is up to the individual voter.
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fieldsofvarley · 11 months
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i just think. this moment. as edelclaude. her silver hair. his love of stars. please. someone walk with me here
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PROPAGANDA
No propaganda was submitted for Princess Bubblegum
Edelgard Propaganda
"I know she's an antagonist but some people absolutely DESPISE her. like if you play her route you get to understand her and her motivations, yet people still treat her as the worst person in existence."
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butwhatifidothis · 2 years
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I think a big misconception in the fandom regarding Edelgard and Claude is that, because they say that some of their beliefs (mostly regarding the Church) are (initially) the same, that means that they think that they believe they themselves aren’t that different from each other. And this misconception goes on into the infamous “Claude would have joined Edelgard if they only talked” take (note I say Claude joining Edelgard, never Edelgard joining Claude. We all know the latter just doesn’t exist lmao).
This idea tends to overlook just how much both 1) Claude vehemently does not agree with Edelgard’s methods - which she adamantly refuses to budge on, even when facing death - and 2) how much Edelgard herself finds Claude incompetent as a ruler. It believes that because they both don’t like the Church, they can overcome all of the other things they differ greatly on. 
Claude could not make it any clearer: he does not believe war to be a sufficient way to actually change people’s minds about anything. He finds excessive violence to be completely unnecessary. He even says as much to Edelgard herself, to her face:
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Nor does he find forcing people to submit to anyone’s whims to be a good thing either:
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None of this makes any sense for him if it were the case that he believes Edelgard’s methods of, y’know, forceful and violent domination of all of Fodlan would be beneficial. But people tend to overlook this in favor of this scene: 
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See! He says what he and Edelgard wanted is very similar! And before this he says he wonders what a world without Rhea is like - you gain support points if you ask him if he wants Rhea dead! So if he had talked with Edelgard, he would have joined her!
Well... this leaves out a few very important details. The first being that Claude still believes the Church important enough that it should have a ruler at all. Note that he just wants Rhea out of the position of archbishop, not the entire Church gone. This is distinctly different from Edelgard, who in no uncertain terms wants the Church in its entirety gone, not just Rhea:
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It is Rhea, the people of the Church, and the Church as an entity that Edelgard wants gone - note that Edelgard only has one ending that has the Church stay standing at all, and it is still under her direct supervision (unlike AM, where Dimitri is king and Byleth is archbishop, and with it not being the case that there’s only one person who can rule at all like in SS and VW).
Another detail this leaves out is that immediately after that scene where Claude says ~similar,~ he says this:
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Oh hey! Look at that! It’s him making it absolutely 100% crystal clear AGAIN that he does not agree with Edelgard’s methods. That it’s not only something he himself doesn’t believe, but is something he thinks - and is proven right in believing - the world can’t get behind either. Faerghus’ citizens wouldn’t be cheering on the killer of Imperial soldiers as a hero if they loved the treatment they were receiving from them. Edelgard wouldn’t need an information campaign to calm down the unrest from her citizens - directly because of her attacking the Church - if they were behind her methods. The people she conquered wouldn’t have to be put down in secret if they stood by her means of going about things.
And hey, that whole “hear what she has to say” bit? Leads to this, in his S support:
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He compares Byleth leading Fodlan as something like Rhea did in an explicitly positive context. The first thing Claude says to reassure Byleth when they show a lack in confidence in their ability to rule is to point out that Rhea appointed them as their successor. After getting to genuinely hear Rhea’s side of things, Claude can recognize that she - and the Church - was a positive influence (pst pst, just like Jeralt who also came to this conclusion for Byleth specifically pst pst), who can lead those who have lose everything in the war to peace. Which is. Uh. Very much not the conclusion Edelgard comes to lmaooo.
The game makes a point to compare Claude and Edelgard’s ideals, but it makes a less focused-on point of showing Claude eventually arriving at the near exact opposite conclusion than Edelgard; through working with the Church and hearing the truth of the context of Rhea’s actions, he sees that hey! Maybe Church... isn’t Bad! And is in fact a very positive and necessary aspect of the lives of the people of Fodlan! 
But on top of all of that, like I said, Edelgard herself finds Claude to be lacking as a ruler. Partially because he’s Not Empire and he’s from a pale offshoot of the glorious Adrestian Empire, but she also makes it clear that Claude specifically is someone she doesn’t want to be a ruler. As in, she spells it out explicitly directly to the audience:
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“Yeah you might have basically the same ideals as me and you don’t like the Church like me and you might have bested and back me in a literal corner, but you don’t know this history of Fodlan that I could just tell you about but deliberately choose not to, so that means you’re not fit to rule Fodlan in my eyes sorry bestie :/”
Also, compare this sentiment towards Claude:
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versus her sentiment towards Dimitri:
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Thinking that Dimitri could have been a benevolent ruler and that he had a set path as king that he lost sight of (which totally has nothing to do with her but that’s not the focus here lol moving on) vs. admitting to never thinking of Claude as any sort of king at all. Note that the other two options you have for Claude - schemer and jokester, the latter especially being a rather insulting way of phrasing Claude’s intellect - are both things Edelgard readily agrees Claude to be as well. Later on in that scene, should you pick the more confident “Let’s go” option over the more cautious “That seems difficult” one regarding taking on Claude, it’s not Edelgard that tells you to take Claude more seriously as a threat, but fuckin’ Hubert. Almost like he understands more than Edelgard how much of a threat someone as intelligent and cunning as Claude can be even without brute force behind him.
Edelgard will acknowledge that Claude has his dangers, yes, but she clearly views him as someone who isn’t that much of a priority. She takes his scheming and jokester facades at face value and judges him as less dangerous - and capable - because of it. He’s a danger to keep around in Fodlan not because of him himself, but because of others who would look to him as a symbol to keep fighting should he stick around. He certainly can’t stay around, killing him is preferable, but it isn’t necessary since she doesn’t view him as a threat by himself, unlike Dimitri who must always die because he is a threat by himself. It’s fine to just exile this extremely intelligent man who has shown connections to a powerful military force that Fodlan has been in a feud with for centuries and who could possibly bear a personal grudge for the whole forceful and violent subjugation of the country he was trying to protect from war for five years thing, because in her eyes he’s just not that capable. Because note, again, it’s not Edelgard who asks Claude to lend her his strength, but Byleth. Because he’s just not worth it.
So like, yeah. It’s really hard to buy that these two would get along that well should they just talk, just from looking at the trajectory their character arcs go on and how they view the other as a terrible ruler. And, mind you, this doesn’t even touch a hair on the gargantuan elephant in the room that is “Most if not all of Claude’s trauma comes from others’ preconceived notions on race/culture horribly affecting his upbringing, and Edelgard literally thinks that all Nabateans are evil and must be destroyed in order to save all of humanity.” That cute lil’ difference between the two of them that they could totally definitely work out, because Edelgard is just so open-minded about the idea of Nabateans being good that’s why she was literally willing to murder Byleth should they try to stop her from killing the Nabateans amiright guys? Just give ‘em the ol’ sit down that’ll fix everything! 
Or even just a watered down version of that, where Mr. I Want Everyone To Be Friends can talk to the one Dagdan and the one person from Brigid and the one other Almyran and at least one person from every class (and with one of his default-class support chains relating - at least partially - directly to discussing the religious faith he doesn’t personally believe in) and can only not talk to the one Duscurian because of gameplay restrictions making it to where they can literally never support even potentially, and Ms. Pale Offshoots can talk to exactly two people not from the Empire and one of them - the only one not from Fodlan - is the literal one person in her entire support roster that she can’t get to A support with (who also happens to be her political hostage) and the other person literally just so happens to be the exact one person in the entire cast to go through Crest experiments like her. Where in Claude’s supports you can see him being challenged and you see him enjoy it and take to it extremely well (even with ones that are especially eye-opening for him, like Cyril’s), whereas Edelgard shows far more reluctance to the idea of being wrong. 
Or in other areas as well! Yeah, sure, Claude “I will make myself a shield for my people IN TWO DIFFERENT ROUTES WITH NEITHER EVEN BEING THE ONE WITH THE PLAYER INSERT ‘GUIDING’ ME as I leave the rest of the Alliance out of the fighting as much as possible while making sure the people of Derdriu are also caught up in it as minimally as possible DESPITE my Actually Existent sense of self-preservation” von Riegan and Edelgard “But what if, in all routes but my own where I’m never backed in a corner, I hide behind my citizens in my throne room when I’m backed in a corner” von Hresvelg - BFF’s of the year, right there. Claude mourning the fact that nobles start wars that throw commoners’ lives away during Lonato vs. Edelgard readily admitting to being willing to literally doing exactly that? EHHHH what’s a little difference in opinion between buds?
Like seriously!! These two are about the perfect encapsulation of comparing apples and oranges just because they’re both fruit: just because Claude and Edelgard initially have similar opinions about the Church (which Claude LITERALLY CHANGES HIS MIND ON, from thinking that Rhea’s a bad influence as said before to thinking that the doctrine of the Church causes isolationism as shown in his doubt of the idea present in the link) does not in any way mean that they are - or even think they are - similar to each other in personality. They have very clear, very distinct differences, the majority of which very easily stops them from being able to be buddy buddy best pals, and I wish the fandom would acknowledge that more often
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octolinggrimm · 1 year
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if i had a nickel for every time there was an explicitly queer woman who falls in love with someone she should ostensibly be enemies with and ends up instigating massive societal change through her own ambition and determination while being assisted by a slightly wacky cast of underlings in one of my favorite games i would have three nickels which isn't a lot but it's pretty based that it happened thrice
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sacks-of-kittans · 4 months
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Reading an essay on the fire emblem fandom that someone wrote about Edelgard Fans saying they’re driving people of the fandom, that they’re the problem with the community…makes me feel like that all I get from the fire emblem fandom is fan art.
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one thing i really like about edelgard is how much of a class act she is. like when you give her food she doesn’t like in thropes she still says thank you. or when you put her on a group task in throuses like cleaning the monastery she never thinks the work is “below her” and is more than willing to do it. and when she makes mistakes she always acknowleges it. she’s such a polite person, it just kind of amazes me sometimes
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electricprincess96 · 1 year
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Tbh i haven’t married either
The only playthrough i did before this was silver snow and i marrief marianne
I'd say first playthrough marry Edelgard then, it does make CFs plot feel a little bit more impactful even if I'm still not a huge fan of the plot overall I can see how it reads better when Byleth marries Edelgard in the end.
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automaticlandlove · 1 year
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2022 art summary
I’ve been drawing a lot this year it was a big year for me with my art (I love working art it makes me so happy about it) Excited for 2023 coming up tysm for support everyone! You’re support lets me do this for living & keeps me going on. I appreciate it
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Ultimate Vriska Showdown Round 2 Masterpost
Info on the polls
Links to all the polls for round 2 are listed below. Sorry for the delay:
Alador Blight Vs. Catra - Winner: Catra (78.6%)
Grace Monroe Vs. Asuka Langley Soryu - Winner: Asuka Langley Soryu (53%)
Azula Vs. Edelgard Von Hresvelg - Winner: Azula (69.8%)
Dahlia Hawthorne Vs. Katsuki Bakugou - Winner: Dahlia Hawthorne (60%)
Vriska Serket Vs. Nanami Kiryuu - Winner: Nanami Kiryuu (lmao) (53.5%)
Rose Quartz Vs. Prince Lotor - Winner: Rose Quartz (71.6%)
Princess Bubblegum Vs. Ianthe Tridentarius - Winner: Princess Bubblegum (61.2%)
Homura Akemi Vs. C!Dream - Winner: Homura Akemi (35.1%)
Some thoughts below:
I am considering taking C!Dream off of this poll. This isn't because I have any opinions on the character. This is mainly because, from what I've seen, the controversy surrounding C!Dream only partially stems from things in his story. A larger part of the controversy is surrounding Dream the real-life Youtuber, which I don't want to get involved in.
The other characters on this list are known outside of their fandoms because of discourse surrounding the characters themselves. Meanwhile, people who aren't into MCYT are only aware of Dream the character because of the controversies surrounding Dream the creator. While discourse on other characters on the poll may spread to their creators, the majority of discourse I've seen on C!Dream was spread to him from his creator. This, in my opinion, doesn't fit with the other characters and isn't something I want on my poll.
Additionally, some people regarding C!Dream have been overstepping boundaries and otherwise making me uncomfortable, both privately and in the tags and replies of polls. When I said I wanted to learn about discourse surrounding the characters of this poll, I didn't want discourse about the creator to overshadow discourse about the character. I especially didn't want to be pressured to make a judgment call on discourse in a fandom I wasn't a part of.
Right now, the way to take C!Dream off the poll would be to have Homura automatically go to round 3, whether she gets the majority vote or not. Another option would be to replace C!Dream with another character (I'm considering Iroha Nijiue from Super Danganronpa Another 2), and have them go up against Mabel. The winner from that poll would go against Homura. In this case, I would be making a single post on the 24th with three polls: Mabel vs. the replacement, Mabel vs. Homura, and the replacement vs. Homura.
Whoever wins the first poll, I'll be taking the winner from their poll against Homura and having that character move to round 3. This is to save time. I will be making the final decision on whether to take C!Dream off tomorrow. Unless a significant number of people want the second option, I will just move Homura up to round 3 automatically.
Me taking C!Dream off is not an indictment of either side of C!Dream or Dream discourse. It's just that I don't think this character is a good fit for the Vriska poll. If you disagree, I invite you to make your own poll with C!Dream. Maybe you'll have other characters that could count as Vriskas that I didn't even think of. Good luck.
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stolen-wolfbread · 1 year
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No matter how heinous the crime, I am willing to forgive the actions of any fictional character who was raised by a single parent.
The feelings of abandonment caused by the absent parent...the compulsive need to keep the attention of your remaining parent...baby, if you want to commit a murder or two, it's okay.
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I noticed that some of the people that are Edelgard critical are also the types that usually stan evil pretty boys.
Hey anon ! Thanks for your insight ! ^^
 I think I should begin by telling you what happened just after I read your ask. I was wondering how I could make an articulate answer (because I’m a mess), and so I decided to seek the perspective of my dearest mutual @ninadove, who I knew would have something interesting to say on the matter. You see, apart from being a massive Edelgard fan, she also has a 10+ year brainrot on a evil pretty guy from the Professor Layton saga: Clive Dove.
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(Don't worry, I know the legend is pretty confusing.)
What are this bad but sad boy's crimes, might you ask ? Here's a list :
identity theft
heavy manipulation
Building an entire replica of London ten years in the future right under the city without a permit
Kidnapping people to populate his fake town as well as scientists
Using said scientists to build a death machine to eventually destroy the entirety of London
Pretty heavy stuff, right ? So, I screenshot your ask and sent it to her because I knew she in particular would have interesting stuff to say on the matter. And she did !
But the thing is, she read it sideways at first and misunderstood. She thought that your observation was that a lot of people who liked Edelgard also enjoyed evil pretty boys. And she told me, “it makes total sense”, and started explaining why. I’m summing up the gist of her reasoning here. Don't worry, this is relevant to answering your ask:
There is a phenomenon of constant demonization of antagonists, especially pretty male antagonists -evil pretty guys if you will. This is interesting when you realize that that kind of character is often tailored to speak to a younger audience, and especially to appeal to young girls. Those fangirls are, in turn, often shamed for taking an interest in characters which are deemed unredeemable. However, liking said characters isn’t bad in itself.
Indeed, the real problem arises if said fans of a character are willing to excuse their objectively bad actions because the evil pretty boy is, well, pretty. But that isn’t the case in the vast majority of cases. Most of them actually appreciate the complexity of the character they root for. Would @ninadove condone someone trying to commit a mass murder irl? No. Does she understand that Clive had damn good reasons for turning evil in the first place (his parents and most people in his apartment building were killed in an immoral scientific experiment which only took place due to a considerable amount of corruption, so he feels the need to “purge” the city of it), and that the situation is not black and white? Yeah, absolutely ! Clive isn’t the Devil Incarnate; but just as with Edelgard’s, some aspects of an evil pretty boy’s narrative might talk to people more, depending on where they’re at in life.
According to her, the fact that so many people who were already attracted to evil pretty boys were also attracted to Edelgard's character is a testament to the fact that it isn't just because they're hot guys that they're so popular, but because of the themes in their story, the moral dilemmas their actions lead the audience to, and the potential said audience sees in them. The very fact that she misunderstood your ask in the first place is proof of that- it's just the logic continuation of liking a given type of character.
Now, this isn't to say that some people don't act towards Edelgard the way they did towards Daenerys- but that as a general rule, one can't extrapolate what a person's values are irl  based on their personal fictional likes. A ton of people who stan a pretty evil boy will stan a pretty evil girl for the exact same reasons.
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In the same way, the bullet points just above list a few of the criticisms fans of evil pretty boys are subjected to:
 that rooting for a fictional antagonist means that the fans would be willing to justify the same kind of crimes if they took place in the real world.
that the only reason they like the character is because they're only attracted to their physical appearance
that there is only one way to read and enjoy a fictional work and going against it is wrong, thus you should feel ashamed/are a bad person if you see it any different. If your blorbo is an antagonist then you should only view them as a villain.
Do you recognize any of these lines ? Yup. They're usually the ones hardcore Edelgard criticals use when talking about her fans.
So, what can we conclude from this ?
In truth, the problem isn’t with liking or disliking a character in itself. People will always enjoy different things -and that’s what’s so fun about fandom culture! In the same way, people are allowed to criticize any given character and call them out on their actions. I’ve seen some very eye-opening posts from some Edelcrits who helped me understand why so many people feel uneasy about Edelgard, and actually made me think even more about what her motivations are and who she is at her core, making her all the more interesting to me. I might disagree with some takes, yes, but I don’t have anything against them as long as they are said respectfully.
To me, at the very least, the real issue is when people cross the line to reality, and start making assumptions about other fans based on fiction. Most of the time, one’s blorbos aren’t a viable way of determining what kind of person they are. For instance: I have seen a lot of people criticize Edelgard’s imperialism and explain that it makes their skin crawls. I love Edelgard and I admire her character arc in CF, as well as her iron resolve to do whatever it takes to achieve her goals. Does that mean I condone imperialism in the real world, especially the modern forms of imperialism? Heck no. No way in hell would I ever support that kind of thing.
You never have a right to bully other people into thinking like you, however misguided you think they are, be you an Edelgard or a Dimitri stan. I once made a post about this exact issue, calling out people who claimed liking Rhea (who I personally kinda dislike) made you an abuse apologist.
Reciprocally, that means no one should have to feel bad about liking a fictional character if that brings them joy. I know liking Edelgard made me a better, more accepting person, and she keeps inspiring me to speak up for myself and others. We should fight against that trend that consists in shaming fans of certain characters. They really do make you better, as @ninadove pointed out herself just how much liking Clive Dove did for her.
All in all, what I mean is that we should all just try to be respectful and mindful of other fans. There is rarely such a thing as manicheism when it comes to antagonists like Edelgard and Clive, and we must always be careful about who we apply that kind of black-and-white logic to.
So, yeah ! I hope that clears up my perspective of things at least.^^ Thanks for sharing!!!
Edit: fixed Clive's picture cause it was incredibly blurry and honestly sad
Second edit: fixed some typos and also added Catra because damn girl
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In my many explorations of FE: Three Houses fanart, I think fanart of Edelgard x Hubert has to be some of my favorite fanart. Like, they look like a power couple with a villainous flair, but the art I've seen of this particular ship looks so...sweet, tender, and 100% oh-so-romantic. Maybe I'm thinking of a handful of artists who do make Edelgard x Hubert art, but the interpretations I've seem make it look so beautiful!!!
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