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offtorivendell · 1 year

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What’s your favorite obscure acotar theory? One that’s lesser known or not as hyped as others that you really enjoy or really hope will play out in the next book?

Firstly anon, I'm sorry this took me well over a week!

Spoilers: ACOTAR, CC and TOG series to date, mostly discussing witches.

This is a personal crack theory that I've had for more than a year now, which I haven't - as far as I can remember - mentioned publicly before, because it goes off more "the vibe of the thing, your honour" than solid evidence that I've seen in the text (at this point I've lost the motivation to research for new, giant metas, so this is apparently how you'll get it).

What if lightsingers were "rebranded" as witches in Prythian's world?

Here me out.

Koschei the sorcerer has shadow (dark light?) powers.

What if ACOTAR witches had light powers?

I've theorised before that Koschei may be Prythian's oldest shadowsinger, but it's interesting to note that he is also an accomplished sorcerer. This made me wonder, how do sorcerers differ from witches, if at all? I've had similar thoughts about shadowsingers and lightsingers, and I do still mean to write about that topic, but to sum up, I suspect that lightsingers and shadowsingers are two sides of the one coin, based on one of two things:

They are the same species, and the colour of their magic is dependent on mood or emotions (more likely), as I outlined in this post about Azriel's shadows and their response to Elain Archeron and his happiness/comfort in general.

There is possibly a male/female divide. This is less likely, but SJM established the following in HOSAB: "Two intersecting triangles. Male and female, dark and light, above and below … and the power that lies in the place where they meet." To many of us, this has a clear parallel with the Truth-Teller scene between Elain and Az in ACOWAR - "Elain looked up at Azriel, their eyes meeting, his hand still lingering on the hilt of the blade. I saw the painting in my mind: the lovely fawn, blooming spring vibrant behind her. Standing before Death, shadows and terrors lurking over his shoulder. Light and dark, the space between their bodies a blend of the two. The only bridge of connection … that knife." - but I digress.

* @wingedblooms has already written a fantastic post about why she believes Elain could be a lightsinger, and another hypothesising that Elain could be a witch (though we're both thinking and hoping that all three Archeron sisters are witches - and who knows, they were born in and slept on an ironwood bed in their cottage...); keep an eye out for wingedblooms' upcoming witch post! @silverlinedeyes has written similarly, wondering if Elain could be another sort of Singer, perhaps one that we haven't seen before. I highly recommend reading all of those posts.

There are - imo - similarities in the text between lightsingers, whose powers are not yet established beyond an apparent ability to lure people to them in some way, and ACOTAR witches, who are said to amass power beyond their natural reserves. We shouldn't, however, forget the witches from Midgard (CC) or Erilea (TOG, of which there was more than one sort: Ironteeth and Crochan).

The Ironteeth witches could be very beautiful, however, similarly to rumours of lightsingers in Prythian, they had keen predatory instincts, could change their teeth and nails to iron fangs and talons, and it wasn't uncommon for them to hunt for sport, as Cassian said of lightsingers in ACOSF. Other parallels exist, but as I said this is not just a crack theory, but a lazy theory as well, so I cbf going into it all. Sorry, but to quote @merymoonbeam, I'm in an it's in the text mood. 😅

Basically, it boils down to this: Koschei has shadow powers and can cast spells. Rhys has shadow-type powers and can also cast spells. Can Azriel, likewise, perform magic of his own? Do his shadows give him this power, or is it something more innate... does he have a hidden light? He can heal, of a sort, which we haven't seen from Cassian. Can lightsingers perform magical feats of their own? And if they are what are currently known as witches in some form, are they the sort that Mor spoke of, or Cassian? Or are they more similar to TOG or CC witches?

Witches in Prythian - the "human kind" that I assume Mor was talking about in ACOWAR (though this is unconfirmed) when Nesta asked the difference between a faerie and a witch - as I mentioned earlier, "...amass power beyond their natural reserve,” Mor answered with sudden seriousness. “They use spells and archaic tools to harness more power to them than the Cauldron allotted—and use it for whatever they desire, good or ill.”

As in TOG, Cassian seemed to hint, in ACOSF, that there was more than one type of witch, and he went straight into discussing lightsingers right afterwards: “What else dwells here other than kelpies?” “Some say witches,” he murmured. “Not the human kind,” he added when she raised a brow. “The kind that used to be something else and then their thirst for magic and power turned them into wretched creatures, banished here by various High Lords.” “They don’t sound so bad.” “They drink young blood to fill the coldness the magic left in them.” Nesta winced. Cassian went on as she scanned the bog, “There are lightsingers: lovely, ethereal beings who will lure you, appearing as friendly faces when you are lost. Only when you’re in their arms will you see their true faces, and they aren’t fair at all. The horror of it is the last thing you see before they drown you in the bog. But they kill for sport, not food.”

Witches, apparently, were also wretched creatures, banished to the Middle. This sounds eerily in line with what I suggested in this post, where I posited that lightsingers might not truly be evil after all, but they had possibly copped a bad rap after (and this is also a crack theory) siding with Theia against Fionn, and so, after the fallout, became an entire species of scapegoats to the misled public for that "betrayal." After such an historic event, it would make sense for the surviving lightsingers to rebrand themselves as witches, especially if they could pass for one sort, in order to escape the retribution that almost certainly would have followed. Has this disguise stuck over the millennia? Or, as I have often wondered, do they occasionally get caught out and then targeted, perhaps leading to a need for sanctuary in a library full of their own kin, run by someone who has her own unique brand of magic?

Again, I know that none of this is really well thought out, and I apologise for that, but I hope you get the gist of it, at least.

#acotar theory #acotar crack theory #lightsingers and shadowsingers #lightsinger #shadowsinger #lightsinger theory #shadowsinger theory #azriel shadowsinger #rhysand #koschei acotar #pro lightsinger #lazy theory #it's in the text #it's the vibe of the thing #why yes that is a reference to the castle #but whether this crack theory ends up in the pool room or sjm tells me i'm dreaming only time will tell #witches and lightsingers

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toolsofmyenemy · 20 days

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You know who lured Az to the library after solstice.

Azriel.

He lured himself. He was thinking of Gwyn. It’s as simple as that.

#gwynriel #omg Az is a lightsinger #pro gwynriel #gwynriel supremacy #let’s not over complicate things #gwyn x azriel #azriel x gwyn

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rainingriversofyou · 1 month

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“Carynthian Warriors” ⚔️🖤

Artist: bookishkoda for @gwynrielweeksofficial

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stargirlie25 · 4 months

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Elucien and Gwynriel but make it tangled 🥹

The shadows attaching to gwyns hand 🥹

The art Elucien is done by hachandraws commissioned by @foreverinelysian The Gwynriel art is commissioned by ofshadowsanddreams

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thisblogisaboutabook · 1 month

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When the Lightsinger Calls (I Hear a Symphony)

An Azriel Drabble

Azriel daydreams of his mate -Inspired by ‘I Hear a Symphony’ by Cody Fry

I used to hear a simple song.

The warm winds of summer blew through the Illyrian mountains as Azriel sat sprawled on a thick branch fifty feet in the air, one leather covered leg dangling as the other stretched across the branch, his back resting against the trunk of an old Oak tree.

Cassian had been butting heads with Devlon for hours. Same shit, different day as they heatedly negotiated new terms for the training of Illyrian females. Devlon, of course, remained as stubborn as an ass. Even after decades of his bullshit, it never failed to chafe Azriel’s nerves that they were under the regime of the most powerful High Lord in Prythian’s history yet had to make nice with stuck-in-their-ways pricks like him. Today in particular had left Azriel feeling less than giving.

Cassian booted Azriel out of negotiations in record time, which admittedly, was likely for the best. Azriel’s dominant stance, deadly gaze, and violent whirling shadows were not best suited for these futile attempts of “sweet talking” Devlon out of his deeply rooted misogyny. If Azriel had his way Truth Teller would do all the talking, but diplomacy unfortunately took precedence.

He may have put up more of a fight when storming out of the Camp Lord’s office had Cassian’s weapon of choice today not had a unique way of toeing that line between diplomacy and force in a way that even Truth Teller could not. No blood spillage necessary, though, Azriel thought with a smirk, the weapon could do just that as well.

The warmth of the suns rays shining through the rustling leaves and the scratch of bark lightly grazing the sensitive membranes of his wings - hitting those spots he could never quite reach - had Azriel drifting off into a light dream state.

As he began to doze, shadows hummed around him, the whistling breeze mixing in with their whirring as they sensed for any incoming threats.

Blending in with their simple song, the creek nearby babbled with the sounds of trickling water, crickets chirped beneath rocks below.

His thoughts became more vivid as his conscience drifted deeper into sleep.

His jaw ticked, wings jerking slightly as he dreamed glimpses of deep red coating his marred skin from the countless souls he’d drawn blood from, lifeless bodies scattered across bloody battlefields, dark cells, the bright flare of roaring fire scalding a child’s hands, his shadows melody becoming broken as they attempted to soothe their master.

The melody became lighter as the flame in his dreams became flashes of light, blurred glimpses of a lovely face appearing in and out of his dreams. A soft laugh intertwined itself with his shadows, the solemn hymn becoming lighter, with vibrant bursts of energy leaving his heart fluttering. More images of the ethereal face flickered through his mind, soft blush dusted cheeks, a radiant white smile, supple fingers tracing the muscles of his chest, plush lips on bare skin, all appearing to the beat of the rising staccato. His lips quirked upward in his sleep as his guard dropped lower and lower and the melody continued growing louder, building into the crescendo of the loveliest symphony he’d heard yet, even in Prythian’s most renowned concert halls.

The music filled Azriel’s entire being, leaving him light as shadow, his flaws forging themselves from ugly into something beautiful, something worthy, as the melody carried his soul toward the light.

Just as his body began to slump out of the tree a sing-song voice brighter than day awoke him. “Careful, Shadowsinger. One might think you’re sleeping on the job.”

He looked down to his beautiful mate, the face his dream had called him to. “My little Lightsinger, did you give Devlon hell?”

She beamed. “Worked a little on him. The girls get seven more hours per week and Cass or I can do spot checks whenever we please. I’ll push for more when we meet again in a few months.”

“That’s my girl.” His eyes shone with the pride filling his chest as he launched out of the tree and swept her off her feet.

“Let’s go home.” She whispered, pressing a kiss to his nose. Azriel only blushed and did just as his lady said, the two falling into companionable silence as her light and his shadow mingled in harmony the entire flight back to Velaris.

And now I hear a symphony.

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elainemg97 · 2 months

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ACOTAR: Gwyn is a Lightsinger Theory

Summary

Gwyn’s powers are of beckoning songs that emit joy and light; they literally make her glow. This power causes her to knowingly or unknowingly manipulate people into wanting to make her happy. There’s a lot of phrases like:

* “��didn’t know why she did it…”

* “…didn’t know why she wished to see Gwyn…”

* “…for whatever reason…”

Etc.

Not only that but Gwyn’s voice is a siren call to people who are lost, not physically lost but emotionally. Gwyn herself is a siren call. Is it ethical? Her powers seem to be as ethical as Rhys and Feyre’s Daemati powers, the difference is that Feysand know how to control these powers, and right now we don’t know if Gwyn knows about her powers. Im sure the truth will come out sooner or later, but I do not think she is evil in any way.

Ps: Gwyn might be being manipulated by Merrill, but thats a whole other post.

PPS: Azriel’s shadows not warning him of Gwyn’s presence in the bonus chapter is bad. His shadows are his alert system, his upper hand on his enemies. If his shadows are compromised, that means that he doesn’t know if there’s any immediate danger.

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#acowar #acotar #sarah j maas #a court of thorns and roses #acomaf #art #fanart #azriel #Gwyn lightsinger #pro elriel #a court of silver flames #gwyn acosf #acosf #acotar theory #acotar fanart

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sadiegirl2021 · 1 month

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Just Gwyn being a side character! Nothing to see here.

“Leave it,” Gwyn said, enough authority lacing her words that Nesta dropped the book onto a dark wood table.

Ohhh wait, what's this?

“Easy,” Lucien repeated, and flame sizzled in his russet eye. The flame, the surprising dominance within it, hit Cassian like a stone to the head, knocking him from his need to kill and kill and kill whatever might threaten—

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“FEYRE.” The voice was at once the night and the dawn and the stars and the earth, and every inch of my body calmed at the primal dominance in it.

“Open your eyes,” the voice ordered. I did.

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“Stop,” I said.

The word was a soft, cold command.

And Azriel and Cassian obeyed.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

“Breathe.” The word was an order. Laced with that primal command he so rarely wielded.

#gwyneth berdara #gwynriel #pro gwynriel #she's not a lightsinger #lucien vanserra #eris vanserra #future high lady of autumn

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mycadences · 2 months

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Hot take (?): I only hate the "Gwyn is a lightsinger" theory when it is used to spin the narrative that Gwyn is evil. I am firmly of the opinion that SJM will NOT make her a villain. She will not vilify Nesta's found family and throw away an entire book's worth of character growth for the sake of petty drama. On its own, though, I find the lightsinger theory appealing because of its potential implications.

"But if they’re blessed, they’ll find their mate—their equal, their match in every way."

Imagine if Gwynriel are not only both Carynthians, but one is a shadowsinger and the other is a lightsinger. Imagine if one wields Truth-teller and the other wields its twin, Gwydion. Imagine if they're on a battlefield and Azriel uses his cobalt blue Siphon to kill and Gwyn uses her blue Invoking Stone to heal.

Oh, the lovely parallels.

#gwynriel #pro gwynriel #gwynriel supremacy #gwyneth berdara #pro gwyneth berdara #the lightsinger theory makes gwynriel more likely to be mates #so thanks e/riels?

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curiousity-cell · 9 months

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just had a thought regarding gwyn & the lightsinger theory & az’s regifting of the necklace

disclaimer: i do not believe gwyn is evil if she’s confirmed as a lightsinger i don’t think she even realises she has this effect on people & it might not even be a lightsinger it could very well be a nymph thing so. don’t be a dick basically

so i was basically just thinking about the bonus chapter and why azriel would regift elain’s very targeted gift (shape of a rose necklace? that’s just pure elain Why is he giving that to another woman who has no connections to roses or flowers at all. why do men. anyway). i think this sentence is really really important because while yes maybe her powers are mainly channeled more powerfully when she sings, SJM would not have put “silent music” & about his shadows here -

- if it was not important. so when he leaves the training area and discovers elain’s given her necklace back (because. obviously. she’s just been rejected by someone she thought liked her back. idk why some people think this is confusing), look at what is written:

“beautiful singing” follows him. he had “every intention” of giving the necklace back to the palace of thread and jewels but didn’t. why? i believe it’s because gwyn’s accidental lightsinging / nymph effect kept gwyn on his mind and therefore she was who he was thinking about all day. i think that’s also why the “secret thing of lovely beauty” is repeated for gwyn. now i’m not gonna say i know what a lightsingers effect has on a person but looking at the effect gwyn’s singing has on /nesta/ (read below)

i think it’s safe to say that it has a luring effect & brings out positive emotions (again: we know lightsingers are stated to be evil in the siren like way but i don’t believe gwyn is that type of person so. i’m led to believe she doesn’t realise she has this effect)

but what positive emotions do we know that azriel has had recently? liking elain. possibly loving elain. so yeah i think that gwyn’s luring powers rubbed off on azriel and that’s why he regifted the necklace to gwyn, because she was on his mind. literally. because of effect she has on people.

i feel like this also explains why it feels so jarring for him to hop from one woman to the other in a night and then go back to being in a foul mood literally the next morning after the solstice. maybe he doesn’t remember giving the necklace away? maybe because gwyn doesn’t wear the necklace he doesn’t know where it went? idk but yeah. this is my theory.

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justthinkinboutbooks · 19 days

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#acotar #gwyneth berdara #lightsinger #gwynriel #pro gwyn #azriel #sjm #azriel shadowsinger

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nightcourtreader · 9 months

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The discussion whether Gwyn is a light singer or a siren is tiring. Especially when the details that Cassian gave about light singers doesn’t match Gwyn what so ever. And ACOWAR & ACOSF to me proves that she isn’t.

Light singers are seen to be lovely, ethereal beings.

• Yes, Gwyn is a lovely person who’s beauty is said to rival Mor & Merrill. And she’s a priestess.

Will lure you

• there is no evidence that Gwyn lured anyone anywhere. Whether it’s by her singing or not.

• I have seen the same theory that Azriel’s shadows are there to “protect” him & it’s a good thing they disappear. If that was the case why didn’t the shadows tell him or warn him about Gwyn being in the training pit in Azriel’s bonus chapter?

• Something I’ve never seen mention is how in ACOWAR, page 559 Feyre said “Again, the Cauldron sang it’s siren song.” Then on the next page, on page 560, and I quote. “Azriel stepped out of a shadow. “What is that,” he hissed. My brows rose. “You hear it?” A shake of the head. “No—but the shadows, the wind…They recoil.”

• If Azriel’s shadows recoil because it heard the cauldrons siren song and if Gwyn is suppose to be a evil light singer or a siren then why doesn’t Azriel shadows recoil from her?

• On page 710 of ACOSF, when Azriel and Cassian were tricked by Koschei. It states “You fell for it rather easily.” Koschei went on, “though you took your time making contact. I thought you’d rush in for the kill, brute that you are.” They could make out nothing of him beyond the shadows of his form. Even Azriel’s own shadows kept tucked behind his wings. Koschei laughed, and Azriel stiffened. Like his shadows had murmured a warning.”

• In Azriel’s bonus chapter it stated, “He aimed for the training pit, giving in to the need to work off the temptation, the rage and frustration and writhing need. He found it already occupied. His shadows didn’t warned him.”

• So to me it seems that Azriel’s shadows tend to hide or recoil when it comes to danger not go towards people that seem like a threat. Azriel’s shadows obviously warn him of any danger to him so the fact that they don’t recoil from Gwyn nor did they warn Azriel she was in the training pit really negates the fact that she’s some evil light singer or siren!

Appearing as friendly faces when you are lost, They drown you in the Bog, they kill for sport.

• If that’s the case Gwyn would have popped up in the Bog when Nesta climbed down the tree looking for Cassian when he went off to go find Azriel. Especially since light singers are suppose to live in the Bog like Cassian stated and drown their victims in it. That would have been a perfect opportunity for Gwyn but where was Gwyn? Not there.

Only when you’re in their arms will you see their true faces

• How many times have we seen Gwyn and Nesta in close proximity to each other? On page 705, in ACOSF we see Nesta wrap her arms around Gwyn while Gwyn sobbed in her chest and right there Nesta was in Gwyn’s arms and the only thing Gwyn did was argue that Nesta shouldn’t stay to bottle neck the path by herself and didn’t even try to attempt to kill Nesta. The only thing Gwyn was worried about was her friend.

So it’s just disgusting to see how Gwyn keeps getting vilified all because of a ship when there is no proof that she’s a light singer or siren all because she sings, which is something she has in common with Azriel. Also it’s fucked up because she’s apart of Nesta’s found family, and a person that really help Nesta with her journey and to have her expose as a villain that people think she is will just fuck up Nesta and her healing arc.

And another big thing, Cassian never stated that light singers can sing! Sirens I get but we have never encountered a siren in the ACOTAR universe!

#pro gwyneth berdara #acosf #gwyneth berdara #acowar #gwynriel #azriel and gwyn #pro gwynriel #pro gwyn #lightsinger theory

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believer25 · 3 months

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GWYNETH BERDARA: EVIL OR NOT ?

PART 1: LIGHTSINGER

I was thinking about the theory of Gwyn being a Lightsinger. I rarely see people picturing the theory in a positive way. I've seen someone talking about it, but I don't remember who.

If this theory is true, I don't think that Gwyn knows that she is a Lightsinger.

I'm sure that if Gwyn find out that she is one, she will be devastated. Knowing her personality, she is going distance herself from everyone especially the Valkyries, Cassian and Azriel. She will push everyone away because she is scared to hurt them.

She will be ashamed of her darkness and the "monster" that she is. DID WE KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS LIKE THAT ?

YES, AZRIEL.

He will relate to her perfectly. As he tries to help her, he will heal with his own darkness. They will heal together and become closer.

The Shadowsinger and the Lightsinger

PART 2: PROBLEMATIC THEORY

I don't see SJM making a character like Gwyn an evil monster. With all her traumas and story, it's disgusting to make her evil.

Also, I find quite disturbing Elriels obsession on Evil Gwyn. She deserves so much better. Gwyn has a beautiful evolution, still has a long road to do and some traumas to heal. Wanting so bad Gwyn to be consciously or unconsciously some type of horrible monster, doesn't sit right with me. I don't like the idea of evil Elain too but Gwyn is worse to me. Adding the fact that Azriel is the first and only male who she is comfortable with, makes everything 10000000000x worse. (Not going to talk about the part of the fandom you thinks that she lied about the SA, it's even more disgusting)

EVIL GWYN IS THE MOST PROBLEMATIC THEORY IN ACOTAR.

We need to talk more about this. Anyone who has a platform needs to sprea awareness about this. It's extremely hurtful to some people, including me.

Can you (Elriels) also understand how problematic the Evil Gwyn Theory is ?

English is not my first language, I hope I didn't make a lot of mistakes.

My face when someone brings the Evil Gwyn Theory:

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lorcandidlucienwill · 4 months

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Elriels when they find out in Azriel's book that Gwyn is, in fact, a rape victim and she wasn't faking it to lure the Inner Circle into her trap:

#gwyneth berdara #pro gwyneth berdara #gwynriel #anti e/riel #gasp! she's not a lightsinger?#bitch please #how about you BELIEVE a victim?

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rainingriversofyou · 2 months

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Gwyneth Berdara 🪷

“I have been broken once before,' Gwyn said, her voice clear. 'I survived it. And I will not be broken again- not even by this mountain.” —A Court Of Silver Flames

Artist: penell__ope / @penell-ope

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foxylady13 · 4 months

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Gwyn and the Lightsinger Theory

I've seen it floating around about Gwyn possibly being a lightsinger.

Now, I don't personally believe she is one. Mainly because this is what we got about them and Gwyn just doesn't fit the description. Even when her powers are coming out in ACOSF.

But if it comes out that her lineage has lightsinger in it, or that her singing power is related to lightsingers somehow, it still won't be enough to keep her from being with Azriel.

In fact, I'd dare say Gwyn being a Lightsinger would be the perfect counterpart to Azriel being a Shadowsinger. I mean come on Light/Shadow and they both happen to also sing!

It would also give them something more in common.

Azriel hates being Illyrian and struggles with that part of himself. Gwyn would more than likely have negative thoughts about being a lightsinger given the brief part we got about them and probably struggle to accept that part of herself. They both would have that journey to learning to accept those parts of themselves, and they could reassure each other to because Azriel isn't bad for being an Illyrian and we all know Gwyn isn't going to be an "evil" lightsinger.

#pro gwyn #gwyn acosf #gwynriel #pro gwynriel #pro gwyneth berdara #azriel shadowsinger #lightsinger #shadowsinger #light and shadow

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liilasstuff · 3 months

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gwyn lightsinger agenda is so funny to me bc wdym your only explanation for batboy number 3 shadows being enchanted and curious about cutie pookie patootie is that she’s an evil flesh eating monster ? 😭😭

🎨art by @/mftfernandez on ig

#gwyn #gwyneth berdara #pro gwyneth berdara #gwynriel #pro gwynriel #acosf #acotar #the valkyries #i love gwyneth berdara #lightsinger theory sucks #acotar theory #acotar thoughts

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