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hard--headed--woman · 8 months

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i will never stop hating the fact that severus snape is so loved like the guy is a misogynistic asshole who bullied kids to the point they were traumatized because of him, mentally tortured a 15yo boy with the memories of his abusive childhood and made this boy's life hell just because his dad married the woman he has a creepy obsession on, joined a terrorist group to kill people he deemed inferior and take over the world, was a shitty teacher, favoured his own house, was ready to get a baby killed and gave the information that could have got him killed without batting an eye, called his best friend a slur, told everyone another teacher was a werewolf and so made him lose his job just because he was petty, was horrible to everyone, was terrible to the woman he "loved" and her son, and didn't even join the good side because he realized his mistakes... the guy is pure evil but he's loved because uwu he was in love with lily 🥺 huh no he was obsessed with her and a bastard actually. you love him and forgive him because he's a man. can you imagine if a female character did all of this ? she would be the most hated character ever.

#harry potter #fandom misogyny #severus snape #anti snape #fuck snape #snape hate #hp #hp fandom #the guy is a fucking incel please stop with him #'i had a crush on your mum' isn’t enough to excuse an entire life of cruelty. and i know it's just a book so it's not a big deal #but i just hate how people forgive male characters everything while they hate on female characters for literally no reasons #it's just a proof of misogyny to me

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punkeropercyjackson · 4 months

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'Progressive' Harry Potter fans are so hard to take seriously because they'll be talking about 'reclamation' and then their idea of that is.......bashing the characters who're literal traumatized children and ignoring the canon poc and calling rich dudebro bullies punks while claiming they're the ones who're minorities Ackstually

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thistlecatfics · 1 year

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Fandom misogyny & marauderstok discourse

<3 I love disagreement, and, if you respond generously to me, I’ll respond generously to you. <3

Catullus wrote 85 (odi et amo) about my relationship to harry potter fandom discourse and tiktok.

Recently, there’s been a minor kerfuffle on Tiktok about slash vs femslash (or mlm vs wlw as they say) - some Dorlene shippers are frustrated that there’s a rise in interest for pre-marauders era content focused on Harry’s grandfather, and they (correctly!) identify that misogyny has something to do with it but (incorrectly!) think that this is primarily a reflection of the misogyny of individual people in fandom. But it is a good starting point for a big fandom question:

Why is slash so much more popular than femslash?

It’s patriarchy all the way down!

(Putting my personal definitions of some terms at the bottom of this post since I find there’s a lot of disagreement on tumblr about what patriarchy is, and I want to be clear what I mean, but also not bore everyone or get in the way of my main points. Also there’s genuinely real academic literature on the subject of gender and fandom, and this bit of fun should not be confused with that.)

1. The big media patriarchy out there

The media landscape! Movies are full of men talking! (Seriously, please look at some of these charts.)

Books, tv, movies, art - all is produced and edited and advertised and reviewed in systems that favor men! Much of it by men who hold positions of power and use that power to sexually harass and assault women. (Bless Moira Donegan and the shitty media men list)

Obviously this varies by form and type and we’ve made strides but still. The best characters? Who gets plenty of dialogue? Who gets to be complex? Who takes action? On the whole, men.

(And not surprisingly, fandoms for media which is less male-dominated, tend to have more femslash.)

2. The patriarchy we survive

Transformative fandom (the Ao3 parts, the tumblr mood board making parts, the tiktok cosplay parts) are overwhelmingly dominated by people marginalized on the basis of gender. (Do I have to cite that? We all just know that already, right?) Fics, art, etc are overwhelmingly created by people who experience real violence and the threat of violence under patriarchy.

Writing intimacy, romance and smut featuring cis men allows us to play in a non patriarchal fantasy land where we don’t have to inhabit our own marginalized bodies. We can avoid certain triggers and create a little distance from ourselves. Even when we write or consume content that includes sexual violence/coercion/non con/dub con etc, we can still get a little bit of breathing room - consuming it without letting it consume us.

(Or, that’s how it’s historically felt to me. Your experience may vary!)

(This is also why it’s absurd for people to compare cis women writing explicit slash fic to cis men creating/consuming lesbian porn or calling it “fetishizing.” As a lesbian, this infuriates me. Include power in your analysis, you clowns.)

That’s not even considering all of the trans masc folks in fandom (or those exploring those identities) for whom slash or mlm fic can feel like a different and life sustaining type of freedom.

3. The patriarchy that’s seeped inside us

This is maybe the more controversial part.

I had the revelation when reading Song of Achilles as I was so moved by Patroclus’s devotion to Achilles: If Patroclus were a woman, I would see his devotion as pathetic, as weakness, as something I’d need to distance myself from as a woman reader.

The intensely beautiful traits key to the human condition and relationships are dismissed under patriarchy as something shameful.

(Or maybe that’s my avoidant attachment talking. Again, your experience may vary.)

BUT when we place them on men instead (in our fics and creations) then we can more safely experience them and be able to tell grand sweeping love stories without activating our own internalized misogyny.

Add onto that the fact we might give male characters more grace than female characters, the fact that we can let men be more complex while still being cared for, the fact that women have to be perfect to be good, and perfect characters are boring characters – then wow we have a whole stew of misogyny ready to impact how we participate in fandom.

So:

Big media patriarchy

Our lived experience patriarchy

Our internalized patriarchy

All contribute to why slash is overwhelmingly more popular than femslash.

This is not a feminist call to behave in a particular way (fandom is not activism), but it’s nice to have the facts established.

If you do feel moved by this to explore femslash more, I welcome you! In my experience, the Harry Potter femslash fandom is one of the warmest, most supportive, most creative, and most drama-free corners of the fandom. Being able to participate in femslash fandom is a joy, not some sort of political obligation.

Treating fandom participation like a political obligation (you have to create content for Dorlene before xyz slash rarepair or else you’re a misogynist!) sucks the fun out of it and is counterproductive.

That said, angry women and angry queers are my people, and I love you, and your anger is valuable and important. Let’s create messy, imperfect, transformative, healing, dark, upsetting, challenging, fun, silly femslash works together <3

EDIT: Adding the fact that it’s not just about violence (though that’s my bias), society also allows/encourages men to experience sexual pleasure why denying/shaming the same for women. Of course women and people marginalized on basis of gender might be inclinded to then explore smutty fantasies through men!

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Some personal definitions:

Feminism= the belief in and commitment to ending gender-based oppression (patriarchy), which must inherently be done in concert with work to end other forms of oppression.

Patriarchy= a system of oppression by which “men” as a class use violence and coercion to exert power over “women” as a class as well as over anyone who threatens patriarchal understanding of these classes (eg trans people and gender non-conforming people in general). “Men” and “women” are not coherent or consistent categories and don’t need to be in order to be useful for the oppressive system.

People marginalized on the basis of gender = everyone except cis men but I prefer to define us by what we are (marginalized genders) rather than what we’re not (cis men). (Also “cis men” is also not a coherent class but we have to use some words sometimes!)

#marauderstok #dorlene #hp femslash #the key to making femslash more popular is to make it more dark and weird and fucked up #not try to guilt people #thistlecat meta #fandom misogyny

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dkettchen · 3 months

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Y'all the new mashle opening goes so hard

#the song is called bling-bang-bang-born by creepy nuts #mashle #mashle: magic and muscles #if you want a HP alternative I do recommend it - the worst thing abt it is the standard baseline anime misogyny #but as far as world-building and the implications thereof go #it is fundamentally better set up than HP and its blood lines matter elf slavery goblins run the banks nonsense #we are actively questionning and fighting the status quo and genocide over here and the protag is of the affected group #and showing up all the elitist asshats #we love to see it

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goldenromione · 3 months

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ur the first hp blog i've found on tumblr with good takes, so so refreshing to find someone who acc cares abt female characters and isn't just obsessed with morally corrupt boring men 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

I'm just doing the best I can to keep them in the conversation 👍

#we all have our opinions on it #it doesn't have to be unanimous #i'm just unwilling to throw a blanket excuse of misogyny and bad writing on top of it without giving it the old college try #ask #harry potter #hp #jk rowling #general

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chaztalk · 2 months

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They expect us to respect their ship even when they are being only misogynistic? That’s not how that works, for me at least

#harry potter #hermione granger #hp fandom #misogyny #anti romione

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percydarling · 10 months

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no because the narrative really paints all smart characters bad except for Hermione, who is the only exception and even SHE was criticised in the beginning for being a KNow it all

The talk about the apparent misogyny present in Harry Potter is another discussion entirely about how many female characters are only introduced or relevant to the plot because of a man ( eg. Lavendar Brown, Cho Chang)

And if, if the story had more characters be smart and let them be smart, I really believe the story would be incredible because you have so much to offer! IN A MAGICAL SYSTEM! WHERE ACTING SMART WITH MAGIC > FIGHTING UNNECESSARY BATTLES !

Polyjuice potions- use an updated version which let's the user use disguises for a longer period of time ( Truly believe that Percy's research on cauldron bottoms could impact the lasting effects of potions and revolutionise the potion industry but what do I know)

Forging documents - easy in a Ministry setting where everyone is busy to forge signatures and have spy cams and bugs ( the magical version) to learn about information.

Invisibility Charm - self explanatory no? become invisible and follow and foil enemy plans

Cloning- if its legal then why not, use clones to fool people

ACTUALLY USE TIME TURNERS?????????????

Hypnotise Deatheaters?

Break the system from inside? secret ministry organisation? where a few ppl work together to make lists and spy and forge and destroy the system frim the inside?

#percy weasley #hp war #smart deserves better #hp misogyny

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aroaessidhe · 8 months

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2023 reads

The Princess and the Fangirl

YA contemporary prince & the pauper set at a convention

follows a fan who wants to save her fave character from being killed off, and the actress playing her who’s desperate to be free of the intense franchise

when they’re mistaken for each other they instantly hate each other - but after a script is leaked, they swap places to try solve each of their problems - and start to see the fandom from the each other’s perspective

light (since they know each other for like 2 days) f/f & m/f

this is so deeply mid-2010s fandom tumblr. lmao.

#a little cringe yet nostalgically entertaining....#The Princess and the Fangirl #aroaessidhe 2023 reads #i read this bc i was looking for available audiobooks and this was vaguely on my backlist of aspec books #bc the sapphic girl is supposedly demi-coded - tbqh there’s like maybe one and a half lines that vaguely implies it #I don’t feel like it’s worth recommending on this basis (and since the thing is set over a weekend I would call her greyspec not demi)#it definitely has the silly drama that i praised the last 2 ya contemporaries i read for not having skdjgkjf #the fangirl mc is. a little bit of an insufferable tumblr fangirl. also her parents are con parents so maybe it's inevitable #there’s a ‘my makeup is my armour’ moment….lmao #it kinda talks about misogyny directed at female stars but not about racism which. felt like a bit of a gap #FAR too many HP references.#‘this only happens in kdramas or YA novels’ beloved. this is a ya novel #would have loved more of the artist alley content LMAO #i will say the artist gets an 'ugh too expensive I'll just print it' comment and just shrugs it off without bitching about it. unrealistic #one thing about the AA is ppl love to bitch about things privately LMAO #there's no way you could spend a weekend with someone you've known for years online and not realise it's a different person...#there’s definitely some stuff about fandom and fan culture that’s still relevant #anyway. I think this is more entertaining to read Now than it would have been when it came out (which was only 2019 tbf but..)#and I wouldn’t have read it not on audio.#the thing is people are like ‘wahh pop culture references will age your book!!!!’ but everything ages every book.#and having a book be such an encapsulation of a certain time can be fun and interesting actually…….#obviously sometimes it can be an uncomfortable way (the hp refs in here were a bit) but like.#you know what i mean. nostalgia. that WAS how things were. still are in some cases. why not have books reflect that #will say im so glad i spent those tumblr fangirl years mostly with 0 local conventions LMAO #by the time i started doing cons regularly (not long before i started selling in AA) i was a bit more mature #have to say when it references TAZ i had to pause and laugh for a second akjfhjkds

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rewritingcanon · 11 months

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this is me after spending my night arguing with marauder stans on tiktok, calling them all npcs, calling sirius black and james potter overrated flops that get bodyslammed by golden trio characters (hermione, specifically), pretending to be a snape stan so i can argue with them more, and calling the band of ‘james potter stans’ an actual cult that he would bully irl if he did exist

#i only do this to mean and very condescending marauders fans btw not all of them #but theres A LOT who are super mean by being patronising and putting others down for not having the same opinion by condescending them #so every mean reply from me is literally serotonin shot into my bloodstream. its like drugs #i be going to bed with a mf smile on my face fr #tiktok will not hear about this #only tmblr 😽👍#marauders #james potter #rant #anti marauders FANS #sirius black #idek what to tag this #severus snape #hermione granger #harry potter #hp #the misogyny as well from these fans. i literally cannot comprehend #rewriting

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k1rishiki · 5 months

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let the records show that i hated his ass BEFORE the hbomb video lol

#i was upset abt the misogyny + the cql thing + his ofmd takes + his hp takes i didn't even know abt the plagarism lol #romeo.txt

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fanfic-lover-girl · 8 months

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A Lot of Draco Antis Lack Any Nuanced Thought

Brain-dead, shallow, pretentious Draco antis argue people (especially females, the oh so poor deluded fangirls) ONLY like Draco Malfoy because of Tom Felton.

Me:

Draco antis can be lowkey misogynistic towards female Draco fans. Like women are shallow creatures who only like a blonde male character because his actor is supposedly hot. Just say you hate women/girls and stop pretending!

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whinlatter · 1 year

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Besides Hermione and ginny are there other female characters in the books that you like?

Yes!

(I always feel like such a loser answering a question like this truthfully because my honest answers tend to be: yes I love that character and thinking/reading about that character and here’s nine hundred reasons why! Even if I don’t like a character, because they’re evil and/or contemptible, I tend to find them super interesting and love reading about them. Not a female character, but I wrote that I didn’t like Draco much recently and @indigo-scarf sent me a meta about the Hand of Glory that helped change my mind. I was like ffs I finally thought of a proper character I didn’t like and now I find him quite compelling. So I guess we’re back to just me not liking… Grawp, I guess? I do, in life, tend to like things and find them interesting, though so it’s almost always harder for me to think of things I don’t like. Nauseatingly positive, that’s me).

Just off the top of my head: some of the baddies — Bellatrix and Narcissa — get some of the best fic writing done about them that I absolutely lap up (Petunia, too! I’ll read a Rita or Muriel or Umbridge fic if there’s good ones going.) I love love love Andromeda fics, I really like Tonks, I think Molly gets a far far harder rep than she ever deserves, Angelina is golden, Cho deserves the world, Fleur’s a boss, I love Parvati/Lavender’s whole energy throughout (I am a girl who giggles and I like to be represented), Pansy is clearly interesting for all the ways she’s hurting and as a lens into the gender politics in pure blood circles… there’s so much to say about so many. I’m writing McGonagall a lot at the moment and having so much fun with it. And honestly, what Jily authors have done to make Lily into a rich and brilliant character after the scraps we were given of her in canon is truly so impressive, so now I adore Lily… I think about the women of the series a lot, tbh. One of the things I want to do with Beasts is write female friendships, both moments of joy in them and also conflict, and build them into a series that lacks them, or at least relegated them to the sidelines in deeply problematic ways.

I will say, though, that I think the female character I have had to work hardest on to get, and to write, is Luna. I’ve always found her difficult to write without cariacturing her, and her allegiance to her dad, while understandable from a grief perspective, is kind of sus in some ways (the man… is a conspiracy theorist). But I knew I wanted to include her in Beasts, because she’s clearly important to Ginny (and Harry), and after a lot of thinking I feel like I have a postwar arc for her in the scope of that story that’s compelling to me to write and hopefully will be to read. That writing is really helping me find more steady ground thinking about her as a character.

#thanks for asking anon i loved thinking about this!#writing female HP characters is important and a valuable corrective to a series where misogyny runs quite deep actually #being a TERF and writing a series with no female friendship it’s all just a bit sus isn’t it jkr #ask #beasts

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yin-yanglulu · 10 months

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I never understand why certain people see criticism of their favourite things meaning that they can’t enjoy that media anymore, why the fuck should that stop you from liking something?!

For example: I’m a huge Skylanders fan, I own all six of the games, I still have multiple Skylanders to this day, it’s easily one of my favourite game franchises of all time, Skylanders: Giants is my favourite game of all time, I’ve been a fan of it for half of my life, did Caddicarus’ somewhat negative review of the first and sixth games stop me from liking Skylanders? No, because that is entirely his opinion and that is FINE because he was actually critiquing stuff that’s actually understandable and it wasn’t just shitting on fans for liking it like most Skylanders haters were back in 2013, The only type of Skylanders criticism I truly hate are just the ones from some TLOS/OG Spyro fans that hated on it bc Spyro looked different, bc it was apparently “wasn’t Spyro enough” despite people pointing out it had a lot more in common with the PS1 Spyro games than salty Spyro fans were making it out to be, and hating on kids that played Skylanders just because they were having fun.

Another infamous criticism of Skylanders is that it “ruined Spyro” and “doomed the Spyro franchise for good”, which have definitely been proven wrong given that Spyro is still a popular franchise because of the remastered trilogy and that without Skylanders, a lot of people my age wouldn’t know who Spyro is! (Also the fact that a Spyro 4 is supposedly happening soon)

Some criticisms of Skylanders I get, like the “asking you to buy too many things”, “SSA hasn’t really aged well mainly in the graphics and gameplay categories”, and “characters like Double Trouble and Voodood are based off of racist stereotypes” criticisms because most of them are right, but there is a difference between those criticisms and the ones of Spyro fans that I think are permanently stuck in 2012.

So yeah, if you see someone critiquing your favourite media, don’t let that destroy your enjoyment of it!

Edit: JUST TO CLARIFY THIS POST ISN’T PRO HP!

#skylanders #lulu.txt #yes I’m basically targeting this at those assholes in fandoms #that will tear down any criticism of it #and try spreading this positivity bs #that end up spreading more toxicity than the critics would #especially in fandom where the media they love has a lot of problematic shit in it #just for daring to point out that their favourite media has problematic elements #and they’ll call you names #I’m looking at you..toxic positivity assholes!#I better not see any R///BY fans using this post as proof that people aren’t allowed to critique the show’s ableist and racist writing #bc THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF THIS POST!#the point is to call fandoms like that out for taking any understandable criticism and turn it into #something entirely different like misogyny #when they are the ones who are causing all the misogyny and homophobia in the fandom #THIS IS NOT A PRO HP POST BTW!

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bellwood-qudditch · 8 months

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I feel like marauders fans create more MLM ships to erase the females out of the fandom. Every time a new MLM ship comes out that’s the new thing everyone talks about and the females are once again just left to the side.

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mirrorofliterature · 2 years

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I say this quite bluntly, but I believe quite strongly that molly is homophobic.

It's quite consistent with her character. She rejects signs of femininity in her sons - long hair and pierced ears in Bill, and signs of masculinity in her daughter - not allowing her to play Quidditch openly with her brothers. Her idea of strict gender roles is quite pertinent - think about, for example, how she dismissed Sirius' ability to parent Harry, probably in half because he is a man and heavily queer-coded, either gay or aroace.

She also grew up in Britain in the 1950s and 1960s, before homosexuality was decriminalised and well before it was protected and equalised (such as the higher age of consent at the time for mlm).

I think her homophobia isn't explicit. It's implicit, it's societal reabsorption, it's harmful and destructive. Do I think she would go as far to kick out her kids if they came out or send them to conversion therapy? No, at the end of the day she loves her kids, imperfectly, ruinously. But she would make the home environment uncomfortable, unsafe. There are more ways to be homophobic than the nuclear ways.

Personally, I think Molly being homophobic is incredibly consistent with her character, extrapolating largely from her blatant misogyny in the books and gender essentialism. Could she change? Maybe. Probably. Doubtfully.

But Molly is incredibly resistant to change, unless one buys her a sparkly wizarding hat.

#anti molly weasley #homophobia mention #misogyny mention #molly is the epitome of JKR'#s perfect mother and that is ultimately fails #in her encapsulation of her author's rampant bigotry #molly weasley critical #weasley family critical #hp #meta #my meta #hp meta

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hchollym · 1 year

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What are your thoughts on all the deaths in deathly hallows?

Short Version: I hate them, thanks. 👎

Long Version: Get ready for a rant...

I get that JKR wanted to show the cruelty of war and how innocents suffer. However, her choice of characters that suffered was suspicious and problematic (to put it mildly).

Remus = A werewolf (which JKR said was a metaphor for HIV/AIDS)

Tonks = A Metamorphmagus (a pretty obvious example of a nonbinary character, whether JKR admits it or not)

Dobby = A house-elf (which quite literally represents slaves, and he died protecting the white savior of the book)

Lavender = A traditionally feminine woman (who JKR made sure was repeatedly insulted for that throughout the books)

Alastor Moody = A disabled character (who likely had a mental illness as well)

Severus = The character who grew up in a household with a low socioeconomic status & was abused as a child

Don't get me wrong; I fully understand that marginalized people do tend to suffer more during times of crisis (like war), but it was highly unnecessary in this setting.

JKR claims to have killed off Remus & Tonks so that Teddy would be an orphan and the story would come full circle, but that's BS. She only added Tonk's pregnancy into Book 7 for that reason, and she could have easily made Fleur pregnant instead.

The readers had a strong connection to Bill & Fleur (after seeing their engagement and wedding), and they would have represented the tragedy & randomness of war - these were two young, talented, powerful people (who are still not immune to death) who were well-loved and had their whole lives ahead of them. This also would have killed off one of the Weasleys (which JKR was determined to do).

She also could have stayed with her original idea to kill off Arthur & Molly instead. They could have died during the battle (also representing the randomness of war & effectively killing two of the Weasleys), and if Molly died protecting Ginny from Bellatrix, then the books would have come full circle from Lily dying to protect Harry (since a mother's sacrifice was a huge focus in the series). It also would have given Harry & Ginny yet another thing to bond over.

But no, she chose Remus & Tonks instead - one of which was a character that had suffered (physically and emotionally) for most of his life, yet when he finally had the chance at happiness, he was killed. That's not a satisfying end to his character arc; it's cruel.

I understand some of her choices (like Fred), whether I like them or not, but I also hate the way she killed them off. Percy literally just reconnected with his family, and JKR made it so that he has to live the rest of his life riddled with survivor's guilt, blaming himself because he feels like Fred died because Percy distracted him.

Some people find this scene in the books to be "touching" because Percy made Fred laugh, so at least they had one last good moment before Fred died smiling, but I totally disagree. Percy will always be traumatized by this (way more than if Fred had died when he wasn't around Percy). On top of that, there's no way that the thought didn't at least cross George's mind (and probably others) that it was Percy's fault & should have been him instead (which Percy likely agrees with).

Percy was being punished for his past choices, and having a character grow and apologize for their mistakes just to make them suffer mentally for the rest of their life is also not a satisfying ending to their arc; yet again, it's just cruel.

The point is that some characters needed to die (that's a commentary on war), but it didn't need to be - and shouldn't have been - the ones that JKR chose.

Thanks for the ask! 😊

#ask me #anon ask #anti jkr #anti jk rowling #deathly hallows #hp #tw: homophobia #tw: racism #albeism #misogyny #my thoughts #my opinion #remus x tonks #percy weasley defense squad #remus lupin

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