#batwoman elegy >>>>>>

[evilwickedme]

Thoughts on Batman by Jewishness?

This one's harder mostly because Batman has had like a million fucking movies and shows and I have not seen even close to all of them - I didn't even find him that compelling as a character until I got into his children. Also we're defining Batman as Bruce Wayne because obviously Dick Grayson isn't Jewish and I don't know anything about Terry McGinnis and evil future Batman!Tim Drake might be Jewish but he's essentially a recurring what if character. Ok here we go

In last place we have Batfleck. Even if Ben Affleck had any interest in portraying Bruce Wayne jewishally, he sucked and I hate him in the role, so I'm giving him a -5/10 just for being in bad movies. Fuck you pick better scripts

After that we have the Dark Knight Trilogy Batman. Extremely well made and enjoyable movies. Not much like comic Batman imo. 1/10

Next we have Battinson. I actually don't mind this movie! I don't like it nearly as much as it seemed everybody else had, and I really wish we could get a Batman movie that acknowledges he has a fucking family in the year of our lord 5783, but it's still a good movie. However, no indication that Bruce is Jewish. I do however think this Bruce is way funnier, so extra points for making me laugh out loud in the theater repeatedly. 3/10

Up next is Lego Batman from the Lego Batman movie. I don't know he just gives me good vibes. He's got a Robin, which automatically puts him closer to comic canon than any other filmic version of Batman, making him Jewish by association. 5/10 I guess

I only watched one season of Gotham but hey, it was a pretty good season before I realized what I really wanted to be watching was Smallville, which I then proceeded to watch all ten seasons of over the course of four weeks (I was in, how you say, a depression). I probably would've watched more (see: in a depression), but there was only one season in existence at the time. It seemed fine to me, although I know a lot more about Batman now than I did then, but it seemed decently connected to the spirit of the comics. Bonus points for David Mazouz being a Jewish actor - the only Jewish actor on this list fyi - but at least in the one season I watched, he was not confirmed Jewish, so let's say a 7/10 (is this technically even a Batman? I have no idea what happens in the later seasons)

Finally we have our main continuity comic book Batman, the only (afaik) canonically Jewish Batman on this list! Batman was made Jewish by association when his maternal cousin, Kate Kane aka Batwoman, was created as an explicitly Jewish character. Sidenote, she's a great character and I adore her. But yeah although he is essentially canonically Jewish it's never actually addressed within his stories - he's only ever spoken about his father being Christian and him not following in his footsteps, as far as I know. I give it a 9/10, losing a point for only being Jewish on a technicality. DC, like Marvel, are also cowards

Honorable mention to any animated movie based directly on a comic such as the Under the Red Hood movie being Jewish by association as well. Let's give that archetype of Bruce a 7.5/10

#in conclusion stan batwoman and stan greg rucka #batwoman elegy >>>>>> #dc #batman #bruce wayne #the batman #the dark knight trilogy #lego batman #gotham #gotham tv #batfleck #battinson #jew tag #jewish #jumblr #gail speaks #ask #anonymous

[frosty-the-killer-doll]

not a direct panel redraw but i absolutely adore this line from vol3 issue16 of Batwoman's 2017 run!!

#the thunderstorm is a reference to its previous issue!! #batwoman #batwoman volume 3 #dc comics #kate kane #beth kane #alice kane #batwoman 2017 #batwoman: elegy #red alice #dc art #dc fanart #alice posting

[gothamcitycentral]

Mam is this really the most effective way to pin him

#kate kane #batwoman #batwoman elegy #central reads comics #<- you can block that tag if you don’t want to see stuff like this

[luthwhore]

finished greg rucka's run on wonder woman (2016). debating whether to read through the rest of wonder woman (2016) under the other writers, to go back and read the original post-crisis wonder woman run, greg rucka's pre-flashpoint wonder woman run, or go back to silver age superman.

#briar.txt #i also still need to read batwoman: elegy

[havendance]

it’ll be time to return to the bat read soon, I can feel it…

#The break was nice but now I’m getting the urge to reread batwoman elegy and I’m pretty close chronologically… #havendance reads comics #Battle for the cowl here we come #carthago delenda est

[arataka-reigen]

So you want to get into comics and don't know where to start? Here's a helpful guide:

Don't

#jk #if i really had to recommend a comic to start with: x-23 (2005) for marvel's laura kinney and batwoman: elegy for kate kane #im kinda obsessed with kate lately ngl #dc #marvel #comics #gi talks

[quirkycatsfatstacks]

Review: Batwoman: Elegy

Series: Detective Comics #854-860Writer: Greg RuckaArtists: J.H. Williams III, J.G. JonesPublisher: DC ComicsReleased: July 6, 2010Received: Library Find it on Goodreads Summary: Kate Kane is Batwoman. Her path to get to this point was less direct than some, but this is the persona that fits her best. More importantly, this mantle enables her to help others and take a stand for what matters…

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#Batman #Batwoman #Batwoman: Elegy #Comic #Comic Review #Comics #Cover #DC Comics #Detective Comics #Detective Comics 854-860 #Elegy #Greg Rucka #J.G. Jones #J.H. Williams III #Kate Kane #Review

[tomoleary]

JH Williams III - Detective Comics 860 page 16-17 Batwoman Elegy

#jh williams iii #Batwoman Elegy #detective comics #double page spread

[antifa-terra]

Nix is being facetious. Obviously, they know what we mean. There’s a lot of reasons to go to a new mantle. You’re given it by a friend. You find yourself with inexplicable powers. You’ve got something to prove. You’re going to find yourself. You don’t want to be powerless ever again.

But don’t do it because you’re angry or hurting from a fight.

#Batwoman: Elegy is a good comic #This isn’t a take from that this is just Kate’s dad happening to agree with us #Ttposting #Phoebeposting #lisaposting #stephposting #This is about Nightwing: Year One and it being lame in comparison to the Judas Contract

[armed-with-a-waffle-iron]

The Bat Family Timeline and Ages (Post-Crisis and New Earth) with Sources

Evidence

In Batman: Year One, Bruce is said to be 25 in the January he returns to Gotham. The 1976 DC Calendar puts Bruce's birthday on the 19th of February so Bruce is 26 during his first outing as Batman in April.

Marv Wolfman's Batman: Year Three (Batman vol. 1 #436) tells us that Dick Grayson's parents die in Bruce's third year. In Batman vol. 1 #441 (also by Wolfman) Tim says that Robin started appearing around 6 months after the death of the Flying Graysons. For Dick's age when he becomes Robin, see below.

Bruce joins the Justice League before Dick forms the Teen Titans. Both these teams form before Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl at 16 (Batgirl: Year One).

Barbara and Dick are each other's dates to their high school prom and so are less than 2 years apart in age (Detective Comics vol. 1 #871).

I suspect Dick, who was an emancipated minor, graduated high school and started college a year early, which allows Dick and Barbara to have some time as the new Dynamic Duo, as we see in Batman Family.

Dick Grayson is 18 when he forms the New Teen Titans, all of whom are also teenagers (Nightwing vol. 2 #137 by Wolfman, who also created the New Teen Titans).

Dick Grayson is 19 when he becomes Nightwing (Batman vol. 1 # 416).

21 year-old Helena becomes Huntress (Huntress: Year One #1), and interacts with Batgirl, meaning that Barbara is not yet Oracle.

Jason dies at 15, 4 months before his 16th birthday (Batman Files). This is before the New Teen Titans' third year anniversary (New Titans #71), before any of the Titans turn 22 (Deathstroke vol. 1 Annual 1), 2 years after Dick becomes Nightwing and almost 10 years before Dick's parents are killed (Batman vol. 1 #436). Dick is hence 21 during these events and 11 when he became Robin.

I also kinda like Dick being 17 years younger than Bruce because that's also the age difference between Adam West and Burt Ward from the 60s TV series.

After these events, Tim Drake becomes Robin and is 13-14 (Batman vol. 1 #441 and Robin II #1)

Soon after, Stephanie Brown is 15 when she becomes Spoiler (Secret Origins 80-Page Giant).

Stephanie is still 15 when she realises that she is pregnant (Robin vol. 2 #59) and Tim is almost 15 during this time (Secret Origins 80-Page Giant).

Cassandra Cain is 17 when she comes to Gotham during this time (Batgirl vol. 1 #1), during No Man's Land which lasts one year.

Helena’s family were killed when she was 8 and during Batman/Huntress: Cry For Blood, Tim says the murders happened roughly 15 years ago, making her roughly 23 during this storyline.

Cass turns 18 in January (Batgirl vol. 1 #39), Tim Drake turns 16 (Robin vol. 2 #116), Jason would have turned 18 in August (Detective Comics vol. 1 #790), and Stephanie is 16 when she "dies" (Batman Allies Secret Files & Origin).

Personally I'd re-arrange Tim's 16th birthday to be the last of these events four events to accommodate him still being 17 late into the Batman: Reborn, see below.

Jason soon returns to Gotham as Red Hood, not long before Infinite Crisis, 52 and One Year Later.

Following the one year time skip, Dick says it's been almost 10 years since his misadventures with Metal Eddie and Liu as a 16-17 year old (Nightwing vol. 2 #133 by Wolfman), which makes sense because he would be 25 by my math.

Stephanie returns from her time as a medical volunteer in East Africa, finishes high school and begins university during Batman: Reborn. She'd turn 19 by the end of this year by my math, which is a typical age to be begin attending university (Gotham Underground and Batgirl vol. 3 #1).

Dick calls Damian Wayne a "10 year-old" before Stephanie attends university (Batman and Robin vol. 1 #2) and Steph still calls Damian a "10 year-old" while she's in her second semester (Batgirl vol. 3 #13 and Batgirl vol. 3 #17). He might have turned 11 before the reboot.

Batwoman: Elegy (Detective Comics #858), during the Batman: Reborn year, shows that Kate was 12 when she was kidnapped and saw her mother and sister killed. This incident is also said to happen "20 years ago”, making her 32 and hence 30-31 during her first appearance in 52/One Year Later.

Tim Drake is still 17 while Steph is in her second semester of her first year at university, and it's stated that he is meant to be in his senior year at high school (Batgirl vol. 3 #13, Red Robin #17 and Red Robin #25). It's possible he turns 18 before the reboot.

Mistakes I Made

Cassandra Cain is 21 in Year Eighteen.

The "Titans disbands" in Year Thirteen was definitely a year early but it's done.

#batman #batman and robin #robin #batgirl #nightwing #spoiler #batwoman #red robin #red hood #black bat #batfam #bat family #timeline #bruce wayne #dick grayson #barbara gordon #tim drake #stephanie brown #cassandra cain #helena bertinelli #kate kane #damian wayne #jason todd #dc comics

[zahri-melitor]

New 52 Bat Comics: What to read

Claiming everything in this 5 year period is irredeemable is a long ask, and there’s both some stories in here that are important in terms of ‘where things happen’ and others that are just genuinely entertaining reads. I enjoyed myself on multiple occasions as I worked through this period, and I'd like to put a spotlight on those occasions.

Here’s my suggestions of what to pick up if you are interested:-

Batwoman, particularly J.H. Williams III’s run (#1-24). If you have any interest in Kate Kane at all, this picks up immediately following Rucka’s Elegy storyline in ‘Tec, and only has the smallest levels of retcons built in to update from pre-Flashpoint (Cameron Chase gets a character reset, the DEO is slightly different, there’s a chunk of alluded to backstory with Renee Montoya that’s been shaken up by Montoya losing a lot of her history). Marc Andreyko’s run should have been better than it was – he handles the editorially-mandated Kate and Maggie breakup in a way that’s very familiar if you’ve read Andreyko’s Manhunter, but never manages to achieve a particularly interesting plot. I would however suggest reading the Batwoman Annual written by Andreyko, even if you stop at Andreyko, as it ties off the Williams III story.

Gotham By Midnight: Gotham police’s secret magic division, where Jim Corrigan, as the Spectre, is dealing with supernatural threats. Exactly the sort of minor series that gives more depth to Gotham as a city.

Detective Comics #30-44: Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato’s run on ‘Tec and the guest story from Ben Percy (Terminal 1&2) is probably my favourite mainline Batman storytelling of all of n52. It’s very police force based, rather like Rucka and Brubaker’s runs in the early 2000s. It’s focused on Harvey Bullock, but in a compelling way. They handle the concept of Batman, both from Bruce and from an outsider’s perspective, in a way that reminds me of some of the best Batman storytelling. The first two arcs are better than the third, for the unavoidable reason that Jim Gordon’s Batman in the third arc. Ben Percy’s Terminal 1&2 is a genuinely compelling airport disease outbreak story, and unlike a bunch of these types, holds up to read post-2020.

Arkham Manor: Despite what the title might make you believe, this is a delightfully fun story. Come for ‘what happened when Arkham Asylum fell into a hole in the ground’, stay for possibly my favourite Victor Fries characterisation ever. Next time anyone tells you Bruce Wayne doesn’t care about the rehabilitation of criminals, remember he gave up his HOUSE so they had somewhere safe to stay and he convinced the cops and psychiatrists to let Victor Fries live in an igloo on the Manor lawn basically for enrichment purposes.

Gotham Academy: look, if you want a lighthearted school story about teens that dips into some of the weirder mythology of Gotham without getting too bogged down in it? This is a fun read. There is definitely bonus when you know various other Gotham properties well, but at heart it’s just a magical/meta-filled school.

We Are Robin: I really like this as a story fleshing out Gotham and what Robin as a concept means to the children and teens of Gotham. Duke’s great and this solidifies a lot of the characterisation Snyder gave him and really grounds him with a backstory, but Riko Sheridan is also sparkling off the page with potential.

Batman & Robin, #1-23. Frequently frustrating, this is probably the best balance of writing of Damian in n52 and of Bruce’s feelings towards Damian. The 5 issues immediately after Requiem really set out for me the difference in discussion of death of a child between 1989 and ALPOD and 2013 and Damian’s death. I also think this contains the best writing of Damian actually struggling with his legacy as a ROBIN and with his feelings as the youngest child of the family.

Robin: Son of Batman: this in contrast is more of a look at Damian’s backstory PRIOR to his first appearance in Gotham and dealing with his feelings and penitence for his actions with the League of Assassins. It’s good if you want a whole-hearted attempt at balancing the inherent contradictions between “Damian’s existence and childhood is a betrayal by Talia that is hard to forgive” and “Talia as a complex character who loves her son”.

#z canon read throughs #story recommendations #there's some gold in that wash pan for n52

[batmanisagatewaydrug]

Have you read Batwoman Elegy? If so, what are your opinions? If not please consider this a megarec.

I actually haven't read any Batwoman 😅 but I'm currently working my way chronologically through every Bat-title published between Crisis and the New 52, so I'll be getting to elegy eventually!

[gothamcitycentral]

You see, this could have been a really great way to contrast Bruce and Kate. Bruce could have taken to the case like a real detective, while Kate follows the military logic of “bash heads in until you get what you want”. How Kate being trained in the military, creating a more violent and flawed methodology in comparison to Bruce, who trained himself in the perseveration of everyone. But nah, we can only have mega macho badass Batman

#central reads comics #kate kane #batwoman #bruce wayne #batman #batwoman elegy #undescribed

[luthwhore]

DC released an “essential graphic novels” guide and i have…many complaints. like. you’re really going to give batman six pages of recs but only two pages each to superman and wonder woman?

where is superman: birthright? american alien? superman: for all seasons? the black ring and last son???? even rebirth action comics, which isn’t the most stand-out title, but is at least as good as some of the stuff that made it onto the batman list. there are so many iconic superman titles that didn’t make the cut in favor of cramming more mid-tier bat books recs in this list. 😭

you could have ditched most of the content on these two pages, given superman and wonder woman an extra page each, and still had four pages worth of batman graphic novels!!! literally nothing on these pages short of maybe court of the owls has had any long term impact on gotham lore!!! these aren’t even the best batman books!!!

also not a single pick on this page is what i would pick as an intro to these characters but especially rhato. if you were going to recommend a single jason todd book, why would you pick rhato over under the hood???

i would have put batman & robin ‘09 for damian and birds of prey or batgirl: year one for babs, and… maybe shadow is the batgirl for cass, since the trades for her old solo are out of print. and probably gotham city sirens for catwoman.

it’s also criminal that they didn’t include batwoman: elegy.

#i don’t know enough about wonder woman to say what should and should not have been included on her list #but i’m pretty damn sure she deserves more than two pages #don’t mind me i’m just bitching

[havendance]

I've made it throug the first volley in the Reborn era. (sans Detective Comics because I am saving the Batwoman: Elegy reread for a rainy day.)

Okay, I admit that for a while, I honestly thought that Batman ended after Battle for the Cowl and was replaced with Batman and Robin.

That being said, I did enjoy Winik's dickbats story for the first Batman arc of the reborn era. Though I do think that the amount of conflicting takes on what's up with the Batcave post-Batman's death is funny.

Tony Daniel's writing the next arc though and I can't say I'm particularly optimistic. Perhaps I shall be pleasently surprised.

I enjoyed the first arc of Batman and Robin far more than I enjoyed most of Morrison's other Batman writing. We shall see if it continues.

Dini's having fun with the Gotham underworld in Streets of Gotham and I am along for the ride.

Also, I am not reading outsiders, but I think that it's funny that rather than just letting them run themselves like they're capable of, Batman put his butler in charge of them in the event of his death. Like Alfred needs more on his plate.

Next up are the Batman: Blackest Night issues. I'm also planning on reading the issues for The Question and Suicide Squad. Anyone got any other must-read issues I should hit while I'm there?

#dc #batman #bats + birds + affiliated #havendance reads comics #carthago delenda est

[warriorbard2012]

Hey, got any tips/starting points for people who want to get into the DC comics with Maggie? Happy pride btw!

Hello Anon! Happy Pride to you as well! This is the first time anyone has asked me about comics, so I'm very excited to answer this!

So bear with me because this is a long answer, and I'm going to start by saying that the Maggie in the comics and the Maggie in the Supergirl TV Show are different characters. And while they have similar characteristics and values, they also have a lot of differences. So if you are looking for comics that deal with the familiar Maggie from the TV series, you will be disappointed because there are none. (But there is a lot of fanfiction of the TV Show Maggie, which helps with that disappointment, I've found. *wink*)

But if you can put aside the TV show version and want to understand where the character of Maggie Sawyer comes from, then there are several places that you can start.

The first one is at the very beginning. Which is Superman Vol 2 #4 (1987), where Maggie was first introduced. She was a frequent reoccurring character in the Superman series and was his primary police contact for a while. Her back story is explained chiefly during her Superman run, including her coming out story.

Maggie also became the main character in a four-issue series called Metropolis SCU, which won a GLAAD award in 1997. And then she was the main character in another four-part series called: MAGGIE SAWYER, SPECIAL CRIMES UNIT. This series was the first time a major comic book publisher (DC Comics) had a heroine that was an out lesbian. (A fact I didn't know until I was researching this answer... I thought Kate Kane or Renee Montoya held that title, oops.)

Then, in the mid-2000s, Maggie was transferred to Gotham and became a significant character in the Gotham Central series, along with Renee Montoya. And she is featured in a few other significant Batman storylines, such as Batman: No Man's Land, Infinite Crisis, and 52.

This brings me to option two; you can skip everything I mentioned before and start with Detective Comics #856 (part of the Batwoman Origin Comic Elegy), where Maggie meets Kate Kane. Maggie then becomes a significant part of 2011 The New 52 Batwoman Series. This is where I first met the character and fell in love with her. There is enough of her backstory here explaining that I felt safe understanding who she was. I enjoyed her story with Kate, even if the ending of that particular run is a bit controversial (but that's a topic for another day.)

The last option I give you is to start with DC's Bombshells, a four-volume series, and Bombshells United, a 3 volume series, which is an alternate reality where female superheroes guard the homefront during WWII. Not only is Maggie a character, but all of your favorite DC female characters are there, and this comic is very queer and features a host of Sapphic love between various heroes. (I highly recommend this series in general, because it's so good. )

In conclusion, I sincerely hope that this list helps you find a starting point that helps you dive deeper into the character of Maggie Sawyer. Feel free to message me back and let me know what you think! Happy Reading! :)

Also, here are a few articles(which do contain spoilers) that I used as references in writing this list: https://www.dc.com/blog/2022/06/24/sapphic-planet-the-many-loves-of-d-cs-bombshells

#Maggie Sawyer #DC Comics #Batwoman #answering voicemail