#rhato 44

[hood-ex]

Gotham War sucks and I have no intention on reading it but Dick's reaction to what Bruce did to Jason is imo how he should've reacted to RHatO #25 and it's still wild to me how it's implied that Dick was okay with it. I mean, tbf it was written by Lobdell who hates Dick but it's still wild to me lmao

DC needed Dick and Bruce on good terms at that time for the full emotional impact of Dick getting shot in the head. Also, tbh, Dick has seen Jason do some crazy things, and he's not only been shot by Jason, but Tim and Damian have been shot or hurt by Jason as well. I'm not sure Dick would have been in full protective mode at that particular time because, from what he'd just witnessed, Jason shot Penguin point-blank, and Dick can be quite strict about the no killing thing. Hell, he hates it when people point guns at him, and he once started a fight with Jason in Outsiders #44 because Jason had his gun trained on him.

Dick offered to help Jason twice during times when Jason was being a bit... off his rocker (Battle for the Cowl and the Flamingo situation). He does care about Jason, and when Jason is on the opposing side of morals, he does still want to help him/see him reform. That being said, you gotta remember that Jason used to cause chaos for the bats, and Dick knows what Jason is capable of when he's not on Dick's side. However, if Dick had been in Bruce's shoes during #25, I think he might've at least asked what Jason was doing and why he was doing it, and he might have been able to have a more civil conversation with Jason.

Tbh, if it had been me writing the scene, I would've had Dick witness Bruce and Jason's fight in some fashion (either irl or via video), and I would've had Bruce pull a move on Jason that reminded Dick of a move Bruce pulled on him in Nightwing (Vol. 3) #30. That way Dick would've been conflicted because obviously he wouldn't be okay with what Jason did, but he'd also see himself in the fight, and he wouldn't want any member of his family to fight with Bruce the way Bruce fought with him. Mmm yeah that would've been some fun conflict.

#now i can't stop imagining dick and jason in the scene from girl interrupted w daisy and the ice cream #''get that out of my face ASSHOLE!!'' *slaps ice cream to the floor* #except it's dick smacking the gun out of jason's hand alkdja #Dick Grayson #Jason Todd #anon

[lacrimosathedark]

I have made quite clear how much I adore Jason Peter Todd, despite how frequently he is written terribly. RHATO is Not Good, but pre-Flashpoint was...chaotic for his characterization to say the least.

HOWEVER!

I wish to give my fellow Jaybird lovers some stable ground if they’re looking for decent and consistent Red Hood characterization post-resurrection.

[Fuck you Battle For the Cowl that was a shitshow]

Most people cite the Under the Hood storyline as the best work about Jason. That story was written by Judd Winick. So, here’s a list of stories involving The Boy written by Judd Winick, with short summaries so you know what you’re getting into! And some images because I can’t not.

Batman Vol 1 629: This is not actually Jason, but a Scarecrow hallucination Bruce has, but it still characterizes both Bruce and Tim’s thoughts about Jason and his potential return. It takes place pretty smack-dab between Hush and Under the Hood.

I appreciate the Hush outfit with the white streak. Excellent.

(also Tim looks like a baby and I just want to give him hugs)

Batman Vol 1 635-641 aka Under the Hood Vol 1 Batman Vol 1 645-650 and Annual 25 aka Under the Hood Vol 2 No description necessary; if you know Jason, you know how this goes.

Green Arrow Vol 3 69-72: Red Hood comes to Star City and decides to have a talk with current Speedy, Green Arrow’s sidekick, Mia Dearden.

Contains this gem:

I love him so much he’s such a dramatic bitch.

He changed the scoreboards what the fuck--

And this oof

Outsiders Vol 3 44-46 and Annual 1: Jason provides the Outsiders, specifically Dick and Roy, with intel exonerating Black Lightning/Jefferson Pierce from murder he thought he committed. Jason’s not the center of this story, but I like it a lot.

For my fellow Harper family lovers, 45 has a lot of cute Roy and Lian too, including this part that rips my heart out.

Lian is my angel and I would die for her.

For my fellow Gays, these also have the start of the relationship between Anissa Pierce and Grace Choi

also includes this dumbfuckery:

He’s a dork and I love him.

Batman and Robin (2009) Vol 1 23-25: Red Hood reluctantly teams up with Dickie-Batman and Brat Wonder Robin to save his kidnapped former sidekick, Scarlet.

Please excuse some of the art bullshit; yes, it has ginger Jason, and yes the covers use the dumb pill helmet design. But for the record, he doesn’t actually wear the pill helmet thank fuck, and the hair thing was more for continuity. They were established during Grant Morrison’s run as writer because they don’t do their goddamn homework enough to know ginger Jay is not canon Post-Crisis! Or that even then he chose to dye his hair black! (Yes I’m bitter that’s how they fucked over Talia too UGH)

At least his costume is fixed; it combines the dumb supervillain-y costume with his old biker-y look, and tbh I think it’s really cool. Aside from the bright red guns that look like toys.

Not that that lasts because this is one of if not the last appearance of Jay before the reboot! Thanks, Barry.

[small edit cuz I just can’t with this man]

He’s also a little shit throughout the whole thing. It is his mission to annoy Dick and Damian and it’s great.

BOI--

[end small edit!]

He also gets stripped for...reasons. If you’re interested. I wasn’t, but I know some of yall are nasties (/affectionate) so here’s that.

Red Hood: The Lost Days: Goes more into detail about Jason’s experience between his death and his big return to Gotham. So! Much! Trauma!

Also where this image comes from:

He really said that. So uh...yeah.

He has always been a snarky dorky bastard and I love him very much.

[EDIT ADDITION Thank you @someoneimsure​]

Robin 80th Anniversary 100 Page Super Spectacular: Jason’s story is called “More Time”, which is a story with Robin Jason and Red Hood Jason have a parallel story giving Bruce a gift on his birthday. Specifically, fixing his father’s old watch.

I love him. LOOK AT THIS BABY

(He’s talking about the watch but that literally could be said about Jason and ow my fucking HEART--)

Look at this. God I just...sometimes Jason just fills my heart with love and it’s too much. He’s a good boy!

Unfortunately, he and Steph share the space of only having one story which is bullshit. Timmy and Dami both get two, which is totally fair. But Dickie gets four. Rude. Sharing is caring, Dickiebird.

[END EDIT Thank you :33]

FOR NOTE

Things with Jason NOT written by Judd Winick Pre-Flashpoint that are major (but personally I think kinda suck) are Battle for the Cowl, Countdown, and his weird murdery Nightwing phase.

Jason Todd, everybody.

#DC Comics #Jason Todd #Robin #Red Hood #Batman #Batman and Robin #Outsiders #Red Hood: The Lost Days #Under the Hood #Green Arrow #Bruce Wayne #Tim Drake #Dick Grayson #Damian Wayne #Mia Dearden #Roy Harper #Lian Harper #Jefferson Pierce #Anissa Pierce #Grace Choi #Scarlet #Sasha

[crucifixinhell]

ao3 wrapped: 3, 9, 19, 28

3.) Ooh, that's a tough one. Probably luminous. Writing Bruce's POV is always difficult for me and I like how it reads in this one. I also like what I did with the concept of alternate universes-- changes to Bruce changed a lot, but not the basic timeline, so I got to write identical events and give them emotional associations that vary wildly depending on their narrator.

Also, the question of how Bruce reconciles his grief for the son he lost with the son who comes back is endlessly, endlessly interesting to poke with sticks. (Do you ever really stop grieving someone who got resurrected?)

Honorary mentions: "dried bloodstains" for conversations that vary wildly depending on whose perspective you're reading them from; "5:44 pm" for a depiction of grief I did well.

9.) Midnighter/Apollo. They're ridiculously intertwined and deranged and I love them.

19.) Jayroy! I've got a few WIPs focused on them, including a mostly smutty one, that I'm excited to finish. I think I need to read more Roy outside of RHATO to do his character justice first, though.

28.) Metal Tables. I made two friends after I wrote it who very much want to shake me for that one (in a complimentary fashion. I asked). It was fun to subject M and Apollo-- who are functionally invulnerable-- to new forms of trauma. I liked writing M's absence of pain/overwhelming stress as painful in and of itself.

I love when the bodyswap trope is used for angst.

Thank you for your ask! :)

#every time i get an ask i gain 5hp #ao3 wrapped #anon asks #crucifix talks

[holfernes]

JASON TODD

୨୧ staples/must reads:

detective comics #568-582 

batman: the cult 

batman: a death in the family 

batman: red hood - the lost days 

batman: battle for the cowl 

red hood: the lost days 

batman: under the red hood alright.

୨୧ pre crisis

batman (1987 version): #357 (very first appearance) - #399 

detective comics (1987 version): #524-#567 

୨୧ post crisis

batman (1940 vers) #408-#425 

detective comics (1937 vers): #569-#574, #579-#582 

new teen titans (1984 vers): #20-#31 

batman (1940 vers): #426-#429, #635-#641, #645-#650 

teen titans (2003 vers): #29, #47 

nightwing (1996 vers): #118-#122 

green arrow (2001): #69-#72 

outsiders (2003 vers): #44-#46 

 countdown to final crisis: #51-#1 (it’s meant to be read backwards)

୨୧ new 52 red hood/jason 

batman (2011): #0 

red hood and the outlaws (2011): #1-#14 

batman (2011 vers): #13-#15 

red hood and the outlaws (2011): #15 

teen titans (2011 vers): #15 

batman (2011): #16 

rhato (red hood and the outlaws, 2011): #16 

batman: #17 this is jason centric even though he isn’t in every issue/chapter

rhato: #17 batman and robin (2011 vers): #13-#12

rhato: #18 

justice league (2011): #19 

batman and robin (2011): #20 

rhato: #19-#40 

batman eternal (2014): #10-#12, #15, #18-#20, #25-#26, #28 

deathstroke (2011): #15-#16

[asszawas]

#jason todd #bruce wayne #batfamily #batman #red hood #batman comics #dc #red hood x arsenal #the red hood #rhato 25 #rhato v2 #rhato new 52 #rhato spoilers #rhato #rhato 44 #rhato rebirth #incorrect rhato quotes #red hood and the outlaws #batman vs superman #batman meme #batman incorporated #batman incorrect quotes

[lowin]

The Red Hut

#could have been worst #like #the crow bar #the warehouse #clownburger #birdburger #jason todd #rhato #rhato 44 #rhato rebirth #we go back to twink jason #the art is better #but i still need my broad muscled artemis #imagine jason todd working in costume service #the red hut #he looks scary though #like he could pass as joker jr #srsly what's wrong with his expression? #he looks like he really worked at costume service

[fantastic-nonsense]

All of the Comic References in Wayne Family Adventures #7

Starting Their Own Superhero Team:

Dick co-founded and led two versions of the Teen Titans (the 'Fab Five' Silver Age Titans and the New Teen Titans); he also ran the Outsiders (Judd Winick's 2003 Outsiders run) and two iterations of the Justice League (JLA: Obsidian Age, as Nightwing, and the post-Cry for Justice League, as Batman)

Jason started the Outlaws (New 52/Rebirth Red Hood and the Outlaws)

Tim co-founded Young Justice (YJ 1998 and YJ 2019) and led his generation of Teen Titans (Teen Titans Vol. 3, 2003-2011, and Vol. 4, 2011-2014)

Damian was part of a new lineup of Teen Titans (Teen Titans Rebirth, 2016-2021); his Super Sons team-up with Jon Kent also probably counts (Super Sons saga)

Changing their Hero Names:

Dick became Nightwing in Tales of the Teen Titans #44. Not included on this list are his time as Batman (Batman: Prodigal and Battle for the Cowl #3/Batman Reborn era) and Agent 37 (Grayson, 2014).

Jason became Red Hood in Batman: Under the Red Hood (2005-2006).

Tim technically became Red Robin in Robin (1993) #181, but was only named as such in Red Robin #1; Drake was in YJ 2019.

Cass became Batgirl at the end of the No Man's Land arc and properly debuted as Batgirl in Batgirl (2000) #1. She took up Black Bat in Batman Inc. Vol. 1 (2011) #6, and Orphan was her initial hero in the post-Flashpoint universe, starting with Batman and Robin Eternal (2015). She's currently operating under Batgirl again.

Trained By Assassins:

For Damian and Cass, it's their entire backstories, so pretty much anything touching on that will cover it

Tim was trained by Lady Shiva in his first miniseries (Robin Vol. 1, 1991), published before his solo run in 1993; he also got some training by the League of Assassins during his 2009 Red Robin run

Jason was trained by Talia al Ghul, the All-Caste, and LoA in between being resurrected and his return to Gotham (Red Hood: The Lost Days and the New 52 RHATO run)

The Dick-Deathstroke mentions are either a reference to the Apprentice arc in the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon or Nightwing: Renegade, where Dick went undercover as 'Renegade' and ended up training Slade's daughter, Rose Wilson, in exchange for Slade agreeing to stay out of Bludhaven. Neither one would give him a legitimate bingo (TT because it's not comics canon, Renegade because he was doing the training, not being trained). HOWEVER, Dick should still be raising his hand because of his time at Shrike's Vengeance Academy in Robin: Year One.

Murders and Resurrections:

Jason was beaten and murdered by the Joker in Death in the Family. Technically, his resurrection happened in Infinite Crisis/Batman Annual #25, but really...just read Batman: Under the Red Hood (2005-2006)

Damian was killed by The Heretic, his adult clone, on his mother's orders in Batman Inc. Vol. 2 #8 (2012) and resurrected via a chaos shard on Apokolips in the Robin Rises arc of Batman & Robin Vol. 2 (2011-2015).

Cass died and was resurrected twice during her Batgirl solo series; the first time in a fight with her mother, Lady Shiva, in Batgirl (2000) #25, and the second time in a fight with her LoA "adoptive brother," Mad Dog, in Batgirl (2000) #71-73. On both occasions, she's resurrected by Shiva (the first time, Shiva restarted her heart via some mystical thing that's never really explained; the second time, she dunked Cass in a Lazarus Pit).

Dick's wishy-washy murder/resurrection and the Crime Syndicate stuff was Forever Evil (2014). Dick was strapped to a bomb that only worked as long as his heart was beating, so Lex Luthor killed him via suffocation, disconnected him from the bomb, and then restarted his heart. Dick was "medically" dead for less than a minute and was promptly resuscitated, resulting in the ongoing fandom controversy on whether or not his death "counts" for the purposes of the "Dead Robins Club" (lampshaded by Jason and Tim's argument)

Sidenote: even though Steph's death in War Games was later retconned as Leslie Thompkins faking her death and smuggling her out of the country/into witness protection, Steph genuinely flatlined and it was intended to be a genuine and permanent death at the time of publication. If Steph were in the Cave, I assume she would also raise her hand.

#batfam #wayne family adventures #batman wayne family adventures #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #damian wayne #cassandra cain #duke thomas #batman #dc comics #long post #wfa spoilers

[sohotthateveryonedied]

Every single comic panel I could track down of Bruce and Dick being referred to as father and son

(part one of...four, maybe? i’m not doing a post for damian since this is for the non-biological kids, and i plan to cram cass and duke’s into one because there are sadly significantly fewer of those)

Robin #13

Li’l Gotham #14

Batman: Curse of the White Knight #8

Nightwing #118

Gotham Knights #17

RHATO (2016) Annual #1

Tales From the Dark Multiverse: Dark Knights Metal

Injustice: Gods Among Us: Year Three #21

Tales of the Teen Titans #50

Batman #600

Batman (1940) #57

Batman #649

Injustice: Gods Among Us #16

Nightwing #79

Nightwing (2016) #43

Outsiders (2003) #44

Nightwing (1996) #4

Gotham Knights #26

Gotham Knights #10

Gotham Knights #21

Nightwing (1996) #152

Gotham Gazette: Batman Alive?

Superman/Batman #76

Batman #339

New Titans #47

Nightwing (2011) #30

Nightwing (2016) #84

Batman (1940) #20

Nightwing (1996) #100

Nightwing (1996) #106

New Titans #111

Gotham Knights #26

Batman: Shadow of the Bat #34

Batman (1940) #66

Robins #6

Batman #137

Batman Year Three

Gotham Knights #44

Nightwing (1996) #134

Catwoman (2018) #45

Infinite Frontier #6

#batfamily #batfam #soho reads comics #get your comic references kids #batman #dick grayson #nightwing #robin #bruce wayne #batman and robin #dc comics #batkids

[stxleslyds]

Hello! How are you? I've got two questions. Are you from Argentina? (Porque esa frase de las empanadas sonó muy de acá SJNDD)

And, could you recommend comics where Jason is well written? I want to know him better, but people always recommend me RHATO and I'm not a fan of that

Thank you ❤️

Holissss! Todo tranqui, vos? Nop, yo soy uruguaya! La frase de las empanadas te juro que la tenia guardada para usarla en un post de Jason y Nick Robles me dio la oportunidad perfecta!

Oof, they have recommended you RHatO? I hope it was RHatO Rebirth at the very least… If I were you, I will completely avoid RHatO New 52, that run was extra bad and in the end if you have read the Rebirth version already, you have officially suffered enough.

Now, if you have read New 52 RHatO then I am sorry… but I will suggest also avoiding Red Hood/ Arsenal, the pain isn’t worth it.

The books or issues where I think Jason has been really well written are the following:

As Robin:

Batman vol.1 #408 to #425 and Detective Comics #568 to #582. (#408 was the issue in which Jason’s origin was changed post-crisis, I would recommend reading from there)

Batman: the Cult, I have heard great things about this story but I haven’t read it yet! Comics from the 80s have never been easy for me to read.

Batman: A Death in the Family, the story that killed our sweet Jason, but it is important to read it because it shows how Jason really died.

New Teen Titans vol.2 #18 to #21 and #26 to 31, Jason teams up with the Titans two separate times, the first time he has some amazing moments with Donna and in the second one he is also amazing and he has some interactions with Dick!

Superman vol.1 Annual #11, this is the issue where he first meets Diana and he saves the day (mostly) by himself!

As Red Hood:

Batman: Under the Red Hood, this is the best work that has Jason as Red Hood, and this is his (actually) big come back to comics.

Batman vol.1 Annual #25, if you want to know how Jason came back to life.

Green Arrow vol.3 #69 to #72, if you want to see Jason after the events of Under the Red Hood!

Outsiders vol.3 #44 to #46, if you want to see more of Jason after UtRH and actually well written interactions with Dick after all that… (Only read Nightwing: Brothers in Blood if you are prepared for some absolute garbage writing with little funny bits)

Red Hood: Lost Days, essential reading if you want to see how Jason came to be the Red Hood!

(All of these books/issues (except for Brothers in Blood) were written by the best Jason writer to this date, Judd Winick!)

Now is where we enter Rebirth (no New 52 books will be recommended in this house when it comes to Jason)

Red Hood and the Outlaws vol.2 #1 to #26

Red Hood: Outlaw vol.1 #27 to #52

(I put these in the list so you don’t feel lost, and this is the best that we have had of Jason up until…)

What the Hell is Task Force Z, Detective Comics #1041 to #1043, this is a side story in these Detective Comics issues, that act as a prelude to the upcoming comic run, Task Force Z, where Jason is going to be leading a team of undead villains. These issues as well as the upcoming run is written by Matthew Rosenberg! (Someone that has written an actually funny and competent Jason Todd in this day and age!)

Task Force Z, it hasn’t come out yet but I am already recommending it, I do believe this book will be well written! Let’s just hope I am right!

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That would be all, at least everything that I remember right now…

Oh! I have some posts about some of these books/issues, if you want me to link them, tell me in the asks and I will do it!

Espero que tangas un excelente finde!

#jason todd #red hood #comic recs #dc comics #asksss

[princesskoriandr]

2., 7., 23., 25. with Kory, 27., 44. and 51. for the salty comics ask game?

salty comics ask meme

2. What character death for the sake of drama was the worst?

I think it's a tie between Donna and Jason because they were both so senseless

7. What “throwaway” character could they have done more with?

Alllllll of the Teen Titans from Teen Titans v. 2 like the way they threw away everyone but Toni and then forgot who Toni was for 15 years is so stupid to me

23. If you could erase one comic book from canon, what would it be?

Nightwing Annual 2. That bitch has to go.

But also. The Starfire mini.

25. Has fanon or canon been worse to [x]?

This is...a toss up. U (@mandoratheevilchaser ) have been following me for a really long time and I think you've seen a lot of what I've seen in terms of how fandom treatment of Kory shifted from like vocal, majority dislike and misunderstanding of her to like vocal, majority loving and misunderstanding of her. In my time on the internet (I'm 25 so let's be generous and say the last 10-13 years), I've seen a shift from hating Kory, seeing her as like a major interloper in Dick and Babs' relationship, relying on her cartoon characterization to people liking how she looks in the comics but still relying on cartoon characterization and because that's like still how a majority of people interacting with DC see her that's what bled over into the comics. After they royally fucked her over in RHatO and wanted to rehab her image a little bit they relied on fandom characterization of her so heavily that they just...fucked it up more. So, in this case, I'd say that fanon and canon were equally shitty to her and still are.

44. Any characters you used to like but grew to dislike?

Unfortunately...........J*son T*dd

51. Who’s the most misunderstood character?

I think there's a couple obvious answers to this question so I'm going to go with the unexpected and, don't crucify me for this one, but I think Guy Gardner is up there

[danny-chase]

24 and 44?👀💖

24. Ship(s) that makes you cringe.

Answered here

44. Any characters you used to like but grew to dislike?

Both Jason and Tim. I liked them in some fanon stuff at first, read some preliminary stuff (UTRH, YJ 98) and didn't think they were too bad, then read Robin 1993 and rhato 2011, interacted with more of their stans and ended up disliking them for a good while. Currently moving back towards neutrality.

#i feel like i'm at neutrality to starting to like jason again no thanks to literally any of his stans of all things it's titans united #i do and have always liked using them in relation to Dick though #i just dislike them on their own tbh #or jason when he canonically stands near kory or roy #asks #ask games

[thetrashthatsmilesback]

Rhato 25, Nightwing 73, teen Titans 40-44: exist

Me:

#dc what the fuck are you doing #rhato 25 #rhato #teen titans #damian wayne #dick grayson #jason todd #red hood #night wing #robin #robin ii #robin i

[waytoomanymistakes]

RHATO 44

This issue was a treat. I’d forgotten why I actually liked the All Caste when I’m usually of the opinion the batfam should stay Street Level, but they’re actually an interesting concept. Ducra is still a Mood Granny, as per her usual, and Essence is... There? I never get exactly what the fuck she’s on, but her design is cool, I guess.

Jason and Bizarro interacting is a marvel and I love them. My sons. On a deeper note, it’s interesting to see how their dynamic simultaneously changed and stayed the same. Before Artie and Biz were lost in another world, I’d say that Jason was the “main” gear to the team’s machine.

Now I’m convinced they could just up n’ leave and continue to function properly, unfortunate as that may be - n’ I’m a bit proud of them for that, to be perfectly frank.

Artemis is still a Queen and we love her. I love her red hair, but I suppose the black haired look is pretty good on her, especially since it’s just a disguise. She reminded me strongly of Diana, and I guess that might be the point of it?

Her personality is still on point, mostly - Thankfully, Lobdell has yet to mess her up on any significant level, to my knowledge.

Young!Jason and Ducra have a marvelous relationship. Honestly, something that’s been consistent through all of Lobdell’s runs, mediocre though they might have gotten, is that EVERY time we get a peer into Jason’s youth - His time with the All Caste and whatever is N52′s Lost Days paralel - I think , “Yes, I want to read about that, please.” 

 The character has changed in subtle but dramatic ways, I feel, and I’d love to read more about THAT Jason - the Jason who’s confused, but determined and eager to learn for morbid reasons. I’d love a Lost Days-esque All Caste!Jason miniseries written by someone else other than Lobdell, but still consulting with him for ideas and characters - To keep the essence (hah!) of them. Maybe touch into the whole thing with the League of Assassins and Talia Al Ghul. That would be cool.

Also, Jason’s thougths on the people of Qurac revolting says a lot about his character - nothing new, I guess, but things some people tend to forget at times. 

#rhato #rhato rebirth #rhato spoilers #red hood #red hood and the outlaws #dc #jason todd #Artemis #Bizarro #artemis of bana mighdall

[scandalsavagefanfic]

Did you see Paolo Pantelena posted a new look at Artemis for, what I'm guessing to be, RHATO 44? She has her hair back in it too!

I have not seen it. I didn’t search very hard but I couldn’t find it easily. If you want, you can send me a link or submit a post (or whatever that option is). 

But I will say... thank goodness her hair is back! I really disliked her new look. That’s one step back in the right direction.

Next is letting her stand up straight. Slouching is the only explanation for how she magically lost like a foot of height. 

let Kori, Artemis, and Barda be big you cowards!

[my-one-love-is-music]

Write 365 Masterpost Pt. 1/2

So in trying to post this, I learned that 365 links is too many for a single post to handle, lmao, so my masterpost is being broken up into two posts.

JayTim Drabbles: Link 1, Link 2, Link 3, Link 4, Link 5, Link 6, Link 7, Link 8, Link 9, Link 10, Link 11, Link 12, Link 13, Link 14, Link 15, Link 16, Link 17, Link 18, Link 19, Link 20, Link 21, Link 22, Link 23, Link 24, Link 25, Link 26, Link 27, Link 28, Link 29, Link 30, Link 31, Link 32, Link 33, Link 34, Link 35, Link 36, Link 37, Link 38, Link 39, Link 40, Link 41, Link 42, Link 43,  Link 44, Link 45, Link 46, Link 47, Link 48, Link 49, Link 50, Link 51, Link 52, Link 53, Link 54, Link 55, Link 56, Link 57, Link 58, Link 59, Link 60, Link 61, Link 62, Link 63, Link 64, Link 65, Link 66, Link 67, Link 68, Link 69, Link 70, Link 71, Link 72, Link 73, Link 74, Link 75, Link 76, Link 77, Link 78, Link 79, Link 80, Link 81, Link 82, Link 83, Link 84, Link 85, Link 86, Link 87, Link 88, Link 89, Link 90, Link 91, Link 92, Link 93, Link 94, Link 95, Link 96, Link 97, Link 98, Link 99, Link 100, Link 101, Link 102, Link 103, Link 104, Link 105, Link 106, Link 107, Link 108, Link 109, Link 110, Link 111, Link 112, Link 113, Link 114, Link 115, Link 116, Link 117, Link 118,  Link 119, Link 120, Link 121, Link 122, Link 123, Link 124, Link 125, Link 126, Link 127, Link 128, Link 129, Link 130, Link 131, Link 132, Link 133, Link 134, Link 135, Link 136, Link 137, Link 138, Link 139, Link 140, Link 141, Link 142, Link 143, Link 144, Link 145, Link 146, Link 147, Link 148, Link 149, Link 150, Link 151, Link 152, Link 153, Link 154, Link 155, Link 156, Link 157, Link 158, Link 159, Link 160, Link 161, Link 162, Link 163, Link 164, Link 165, Link 166, Link 167, Link 168, Link 169, Link 170, Link 171, Link 172, Link 173, Link 174, Link 175, Link 176, Link 177, Link 178, Link 179, Link 180, Link 181, Link 182, Link 183, Link 184, Link 185, Link 186

Dick/Kevin: Link 1

RHATO Drabbles: Link 1

DC Drabbles: Link 1, Link 2

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I was introduced to a lot of the Batfamily via the Morrison run. How screwed up is my perception of them? Comics are an effing minefield of characterization—I know, I’m a Hank Pym fan because I ran into him first in one of his highly rare likeable periods. Any tips/recs? It feels like everywhere I go the characters aren’t the “real” ones, and idk where to find these “real” ones. (This goes for Tim too, although you seem understandably down on him lately & might not want to talk Drake anymore

It does vary by character, actually. There are some fundamental things he does that are a bit out of there, and other things that are just plain offensive, but he’s not the absolute worst to come in on, as damned by faint praise as that is. 

Long post ahead

Bruce: Morrison and I fundamentally see the character very differently. He sort of subscribes to some ideas about Bruce as Batman that I just don’t like re: emotions, life, family. He uses a lot of allegories and devices in his work and the depth is there, I just don’t agree with what he was doing and had to say about Batman on a fundamental level. Post-Crisis Bruce is a bit all over the place. A lot of different writers got their hands on him and the dark and gritty post-Jason transformation of the character was intense and permanent. Because of this, coming into Morrison doesn’t really hurt you that much--especially since for a lot of it he’s functionally dead. Maybe check out some runs like Hush (more emphasis on the family), Dark Victory (some young Dick Grayson), Batman: Year One (say what you want about Miller, but it’s a decent book and the atmosphere and art are great for an introduction to the modern character), and then hop over to some of Bruce’s team books. Sometimes characters get distilled well over in their team books compared to their solos (especially since the Bat Department is...weird at times). Maybe check out Superman/Batman, the old team up from the early 2000s. For Bruce it’s just best to cast a wide net and read a variety. JLA: Tower of Babel is a good one to see Batman and the wider superhero community in conflict, which brings in a lot of Batman’s negative aspects in a way that was decently balanced and didn’t villainize him via narrative even as the characters might have felt that way about him (Young Justice certainly did XD), but I havent’ read it in a long time so ymmv. 

Dick: One of the few characters that didn’t get that bad a hand by Morrison, or too much of a characterization shift (his character shift had happened during the Chuck Dixon and Devin Grayson period, although the latter more than the former). Unlike new 52 onwards, while he was softened a little to pair effectively with Damian, it wasn’t too much as we saw at times later and how fandom kind of tends to portray them (’Shut the hell up, Damian’ comes to mind). The Dickbats run was a nice change and development for Dick, a natural progression. The things that were sort of tweaked to create conflict with that transition (Dick not wanting Batman, some characterization behind that) were pre-Morrision, during Battle for the Cowl and the setup to Morrison, so while they follow on from that they’re mostly absent from the run. For the modern Robin Dick stories, go for Teen Titans: Year One, Dark Victory, Batman: Year Three, a couple of the other year ones are decent, although some incorporate those characterization shifts, but that’s comics. I’d go back to New Teen Titans (starts in Pre-Crisis, goes into Post, but the book doesn’t have a huge change due to the crisis and it’s just a really good run, deserving of being the benemoth during that time period that it was) to get the best of Dick on a team, then maybe check out Prodigal (follows on from Knightfall, Dick’s first run as Batman), skip Nightwing: Year One (it’s got tiny amounts of Dick and Jason bonding but Dixon ripped everything else about Dick’s early Nightwing period to shreds). From there, depends if you want his solo or his team stuff, he’s a pretty easy character to follow. I like to start chronologically with him because then you see the shifts happen as he falls back under control of the bat-books, and his solo and team stuff have some interesting contrasts (I lean towards his team stuff generally because Dick has always been about that for me, rather than running solo). 

Babs: Birds of Prey is her essential stuff, I don’t think Morrison really did that much with her but my memories of it all are a bit vague now. I’d personally take anything when she’s romantically involved with Dick with a grain of salt, that relationship was a bit of a disaster and they both do terrible things to each other (I believe the one responsible for it all is Devin again but it’s been a while since i visited that train wreck) and there’s some victim-blaming that happens that’s not so good. I prefer Oracle having a bit of distance from the Batfam, as she’s just surpassed being someone who is under Batman’s authority and is just crucial to the entire operation of the superhero community in general, so Bird s of Prey. 

Jason: Hnng. Here’s where Morrison really just decided to throw away established DC continuity and try his hand at a bunch of crap that fell completely flat. Just toss it and purge, tbh. Winick got Jason back late in the run but it was too late for that. Maybe there are tiny aspects of characterization that aren’t bad (Pride and Prejudice) but Morrison misunderstood Jason on a much more fundamental level. Also the red hair was probably some attempt to make a witty visual pun and add ‘depth’ but there are so many problems with it. Continuity-wise it makes so sense with how pre-crisis and post- worked, particularly for Jason, and additionally Morrison is realllllly wishy-washy with his ‘EVERYTHING IS CANON’ stuff that it rings false, plus in Pre-Crisis he was like...blonde I don’t understand. The implications of Jason being forced to dye his hair are absolutely disgusting for Bruce and go back into that fundamental problem I have with how Morrison sees Bruce. Jason, Post-resurrection suffers a lot of DC writers not knowing what to do and unloading a lot of DC’s baggage and some unconscious, problematic tropes onto him. Read his Post-Crisis origin (Batman 408 on, there’s the origin and some issues after set up by his original Post-Crisis writer Max Collins) and maybe all his Post-Crisis, pre-Death stuff since there’s honestly not a lot and it’s fairly obvious when Starlin starts pushing for his death. For post-resurrection, Under the Red Hood, Lost Days (it goes off the rails at the end, so I only half rec it honestly), Outsiders 44 and 45, Countdown (but only if you’re skipping the plot and just reading the Jason (&Donna &Kyle) bits, it’s one of the most even-handed treatments he actually gets in Post-Crisis but the book is otherwise terrible). Then just go straight to RHatO Rebirth. 

Tim: Ignore new 52 and Rebirth entirely. Red Robin is a book a lot of Tim fans really like but I personally think it’s bad in general and also don’t like what the writer does with Tim, but ymmv. Tim’s origin is also pretty weak and his initial mini and series aren’t that great at establishing him as a proper character outside ‘this kid is Robin pls like him we want to get away from the controversy of the last one’ so it’s hard to connect with him there without nostalgia glasses. By Knightfall (1994ish) on, that’s where he’s more of a character himself, and his stuff from about then through to the early 2000s is the best (before Geoff Johns got him in Teen Titans and Didio started doing Things, which basically led us to today to be honest). Personally, I think Tim functions best in a team, there are aspects of what his writers do in his solo where they just...missed the implications and it kind of grates on me. His stand out book imo is Young Justice (the og comic not the cartoon which only shares the name and nothing else tbh). 

Steph: Another who actually got treated decently well during the Morrison-era, as opposed to the crap she was dealt earlier during her time as Robin and War Games. Steph’s Batgirl run is something I definitely recommend, and her stuff with Dick and Damian in Morrison’s era is contemporary with that. Her origin is actually really good and compelling, so I’d dig into that (TEC 647, i think, is her first appearance). She kind of just revolves around Tim during his run and their relationship is kind of...there are implications there that are a bit cringe. Her stuff with Cass on the other hand is really enjoyable so I’d recommend those. Her brief Robin run is decent if melancholy considering what we know happens, and I wouldn’t touch War Games with a ten foot pole. 

Cass: Shafted from the mid-2000s on, tbh. She got a bit blessed with a solid creative team to start her off in her Batgirl run, it attempts some pretty deep and interesting explorations of her character that while not perfectly executed are still really good comics. I’d just read her No Man’s Land stuff, follow her book and stuff with Steph and pretty much just ditch out when One Year Later hits. Her Black Bat outfit is cool and there is some retroactive backpedalling by DC to justify shafting her but it’s all Morrison era anyway so you might be familiar already. 

Damian: Morrison created him and he took a lot of liberties with that backstory which unfortunately have had a lasting impact for Talia, which is frustrating. As Damian’s creator, what you see is what you get. Morrison didn’t want him to be likeable and he also didn’t really want him to be permanent (ties in again to how Morrison sees Bruce and family tbh), other writers gave Damian development later, but despite being around for over a decade now, there is still a lot of push and pull between writers about his characterization and development. It’s unfortunate but there’s a noticeable lack of consistency with Damian and his development that is frustrating to read. Probably read Tomasi’s stuff if you want Damian’s softened, developed arc and avoid other stuff. I’m not the best for Damian because most of his stuff is during the new 52 which I wasn’t around for and am picking through only occasionally. 

Hope this helps. 

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