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#sokka erasure is no more
itscuriosu · 14 days
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my first girlfriend turned into the moon🌕
sokka finally joins my ATLA series! you can view the rest of my atla series below⬇️
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fictionally-attached · 3 months
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It is now becoming more and more clear to me as to why the creators of Avatar the last airbender walked away from the live adaptation.
Toning down Sokka's sexism
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Sokka being sexist is as important as Katara fighting against sexism. They are BOTH products of their culture. The makers of the Netflix adaptation forget Sokka was the only boy left to protect his village. He believed it was his duty to protect the weak. When he came across warriors that were women, he felt they knew nothing. Only to be humbled, he’d apologize, and accept he was wrong. He even fell in love with one of them (Suki). Sokka’s sexism came not just from his own trauma and trying to fill his father’s shoes, but also the fact that Water Tribe culture is very strict re: gender roles. This showed that although the Fire Nation were the bad guys each nation still had its own flaws and issues. Plus, by showing a likeable main character overcoming their prejudices, it does a better job teaching people to not be prejudiced than by just having the villains be prejudiced. This plot point is a HUGE focus on Sokka's initial development. He is not just some goofy side kick non bender. He learned that his views were flawed and GREW from it. This issue is still relevant to today and not just back in the early 2000s.
2. “We had to make it a serialized Netflix drama, which meant it couldn’t just be for kids. It had to also appeal to the people who are big fans of Game of Thrones.”
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I'm fed up with the common misconception that making something appealing to adults necessitates it being dark and gritty. It's an oversimplified assumption that overlooks the nuanced maturity already present in the story. This series masterfully incorporated mature themes that resonated with audiences of all ages. From the genocide of the Air Nation to instances of child abuse endured by characters like Zuko, and the exploration of sexism within the Northern Water Tribe, ATLA didn't shy away from addressing complex issues. It also delved into cultural erasure, the horrors of war, the pitfalls of autocratic governance, and the struggles of characters dealing with PTSD, depression, and mental illness. These elements added depth and resonance to the narrative. Pushing for further grimness to cater to a different fanbase would undermine the series' existing richness and maturity.
3. “We decided to make Aang’s narrative drive a little clearer. In the first season of the animated series, he’s kind of going from place to place looking for adventures. He even says, ‘First, we’ve got to go and ride the elephant koi.’ It’s a little looser as befits a cartoon. We needed to make sure that he had that drive from the start. […] We essentially give him this vision of what’s going to happen and he says, ‘I have to get to the Northern Water Tribe to stop this from happening.’ That gives him much more narrative compulsion going forward.”
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Giving Aang this drive right from the start completely changeshis character. A significant aspect of his development in the first season involves transitioning from someone who simply longed for a carefree childhood to one destined to fulfill the role of the Avatar. Remember, he's just 12 years old. Aang's sense of being overwhelmed by the weight of his Avatar duties is precisely why he fled and ultimately became trapped in ice. He wasn't eager to embrace his Avatar status, and that reluctance doesn't vanish overnight. He's a child burdened with the unimaginable responsibility of saving the world and stopping an entire nation. That essence of childhood doesn't evaporate with acceptance of his fate; it remained a fundamental aspect of his character arc across all three seasons. Maintaining his childlike innocence while navigating such weighty responsibilities is central to Aang's appeal and adds depth to his character. Moreover, the numerous detours the "gaang" takes contribute significantly to world-building, a vital element that imbued the original series with its charm. Will the remake ignore all of this???
In today's media landscape, there's a growing tendency to portray main characters as almost too flawless. While it's important to have protagonists that viewers can connect with and support, that doesn't mean they should be devoid of any imperfections. Flaws are what lend characters their humanity and depth, providing them with the opportunity to evolve and improve as the narrative unfolds. When a character begins the story with flawless beliefs and actions, it leaves little room for growth, resulting in a stagnant character arc.
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I'm really concerned about how Zuko's and Azula's character development will be handled in the remake. They're both quite flawed characters, especially Azula. She was portrayed as being evil, yet also struggling with mental health issues. It's important to recognize that both aspects can coexist, and one doesn't excuse the other. This complexity was depicted well in the show's final season. I hope they won't simplify or remove these traits in the remake.
And what's next? Will they remove the beloved cabbage man too?
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Sokka vs. Wan Shi Tong
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Was listening to the latest episode of the “Braving the Elements” Podcast about “the Library” episode (which starts off with a solid discussion about Asian representation and appropriation in Hollywood). They started discussing the groups’ contributions of knowledge to Wan Shi Tong. They discussed Katara’s offering of the Waterbending Scroll and joked about how easily she gave it up after working so hard to get it. “She has it in her body now,” Dante said. Now, I think he has a major point about that, and I discussed water tribe relationships to writing in ANOTHER POST. Basically, writing and visual depictions can be read as something more sacred to the Water Tribe, so it makes sense that Katara would entrust this sacred object to a spirit.
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But then that primed my mind for thinking about Sokka’s gift and his antagonistic relationship to Wan Shi Tong and the library in a new light. Sokka offers a knot to Wan Shi Tong, and it’s played for laughs, but Dante and Janet and guest host, Phil Yu, fairly identify his knot as a credible piece of nautical knowledge. Nautical knowledge, as we saw in Bato of the Watertribe, is a highly regarded part of SWT culture. It also reminded me of khipu (or quipu), a complex Incan method of record keeping using knots in strings, which were ordered to be suppressed and burned by the Spanish Church in 1583. Wan Shi Tong’s disparagement of the gift is more than just a impartial assessment on Sokka’s intelligence. There’s a cultural prejudice at work. 
If it’s simply the pursuit of knowledge he’s after, why does Wan Shi Tong compliment the first edition status of Professor Zei’s book? The god is interested in more than the knowledge within, he’s interested in the book, itself: the material its made out of, whose hands its been through, its production process. He does not simply collect knowledge, he is an archivist. And in a show that’s uniquely obsessed with the erasure of knowledge, cultures, and peoples, he is an immensely important figure for the preservation he represents. Yet, the gaang betrays him, and Sokka leads the charge. We are lead to believe that Sokka and the gaang receive their comeuppance for their betrayal of the archive when their invasion fails. I want to suggest, though, that Sokka’s irreverence toward Wan Shi Tong and the library might actually be a hidden theme the show celebrates in the episode and throughout the series. 
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Above image from A:TLA Annotations
There are references beyond Sokka’s flippancy encouraging skepticism of ‘the archive’ as an all powerful body of knowledge. When the gaang meets the Professor, he uses a head measuring device to measure Aang’s head as he interrogates him about air nomad culture. That device, a craniometer, is associated with the debunked and racist scientific concept of phrenology, the study of head shapes as indicative of intelligence and character traits. Race science is as much a part of academia’s history as any wisdom revealed through it. Wan Shi Tong in a similar vein, refers to Katara as “one specimen to add to my collection,” recalling the history of empires and their academics collecting and displaying indigenous bodies for ‘education.’ The show, then, draws a connection between ‘the archive’ and the history of domination. Collection, preservation, documentation--from a certain perspective they all embody attempts to dominate the world through containment. If only I could name it, have the knowledge in my possession, keep it safe under my protection... At worst this looks like Zhao’s use of the library as a means to slaughter the moon and destroy the Northern Water Tribe, while torching all the fire nation archives to protect his own people and power. But Wan Shi Tong’s academic hubris and avarice are another form of domination. 
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There are pieces beyond the cultures of imperialism. Toph refuses to go in the library out of disinterest, pointing at the failures of visual culture toward the blind. Leaving her and Appa, an animal who similarly has little interest in writing, behind in pursuit of written knowledge has tragic consequences for Aang and his friends. It was only the last episode in which Toph blindfolded Aang to teach him about earthbending and his own persistent inner strength. He abandons it for pre-written answers so quickly now, the way I open up an internet browser as soon as I wonder whether or not my finger tapping is a trauma coping mechanism. Why don’t I trust myself to observe and learn from my own body? Why doesn’t the team trust themselves to face the fire nation? Let’s be clear, it’s not absurd to seek out wisdom and strategy from others past and present. However, it’s only one source of knowledge and so many people, like Aang, Katara, and Sokka, overlook the other forms of knowledge available to them.
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I think its apt that they learn their strategy from merely a scrap of written information (a scrap which Sokka steals using his his hunting dagger made of jawbone, pointing us toward the indigenous perspective he brings to bear on his exploration of the library), which they then interpret through celestial means. The planetarium returns us to the natural and the spiritual world at once despite being within the archive. Tracking eclipses and the movements of astrological bodies has a deep history for humankind (and animal kind!) preceding writing and has been especially important to seafaring people like the Southern Water Tribe (Moana’s “We Know the Way” does a solid job of illustrating these traditions and their blending with oral story traditions). The information they gain from ‘the archive’ is information that was available to them in the world had they observed closely, and perhaps that’s all an archive is.
Still, there are things an archive can’t contain. Impermanence creeps into everything. That can be a deeply sad fact to face. When we see the incinerated Fire Nation archive, we feel for Wan Shi Tong in the same way we cry over the Library of Alexandria’s end. There’s a joyous side to impermanence, though, which is that there is always new transformed things coming into being and giving us more to learn. “That’s called Sokka style--learn it!” Sokka shouts as he whacks Wan Shi Tong on the head with one of his beloved books. Not only does Sokka reveal the book for its material reality as just a plain old heavy and hard object, his line points us to the novelty of his individual self even within all the indigenous traditions Wan Shi Tong claims to have ‘mastered.’ This is the same method Aang gets to discover in the finale, too. Beyond the labels and titles and data, a strange and unique self, a self that’s both free and connected to the people and traditions and values that made us, exists and emanates for a brief and brilliant flash of time. 
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tobiasdrake · 2 months
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Mixed feelings about the extended opening to episode 1.
On the one hand, this opening does a good job of building up and developing the Air Nomads and Aang's place in them. We get to see a lot of the culture that Aang will spend the rest of the show mourning, and also of his relationship with Gyatso.
They're taking a very different approach from the show, which introduced Sokka and Katara first before slowly revealing information about Aang. Here, the live-action show wants us to get to know Aang and to really feel what he's about to lose, before he timeskips to the future.
I like different approaches, though. So I'm here for this.
What I don't like is the erasure of Aang's impulsive childishness. In the original show, he freaked out due to the revelations of being the Avatar and needing to leave his temple, and foolishly fled in a panic. That's how he got caught up in the storm; He was freaking out and running away and not paying attention to where he was going, because his destination was simply "AWAY".
The adaptation wants to play him as more mature and emotionally stable right from the get-go. But they still need him to get lost in a horrible thunderstorm. So he just goes out for a pleasant air-stroll to clear his head and somehow dumbasses himself into a tsunami without noticing.
It's. Kind of hilarious. XD
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atla-suki · 5 months
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i just flicked through my cousins avatar legacy book and ??? the SUKI ERASURE???? i know i’m like 9 years late here but wtf??? aang saying sukka ‘WERE a great team’ sokka forgetting or probably just embellishing to make him look good and thus diminishing suki saving him and toph??? NO ‘AUNT SUKI’????
we’re they just purposely keeping them vague or is this some book that bryke have little to no attention to
post-canon suki :( where is she :(
the fact all we have about her is that one time bryke were like “oh yeah she and sokka moved to the suburbs” WHAT??? HELLO WDYM?? WHERE? WHEN? DID THEY STAY TOGETHER? DID THEY HAVE KIDS? I NEED TO KNOWMOREEEE
ok but for real tho it’s so sad how often suki gets forgotten or completely ignored. in promo (ahem that one adult gaang promo pic??? WHERE WAS SHE???), in random posts on the atla social media pages, in actual content like the avatar legacy book, in people’s fanart, so on and so forth.
she was so important in the original series. how can you forget her? if u remember to add zuko to your gaang art, u goddamn better remember to add suki.
‘no aunt suki’ omg i’m screaming and sobbing.
also wtf WAS up with the “were a great team” ???? WERE? ARE THEY NOT STILL??? don’t say that shit man. give us a solo comic on adult sokka and suki instead. give us a MOVIE about them. idc they could just give us one sketch posted by some official storyboard artist… give us literally ANYTHING to confirm they are ok and did end up together forever and ever.
i think in the case of avatar legacy (which i haven’t actually read lol i’ve only looked at a few pages - including the suki one) they were trying to focus on aang and tenzin rather than filling in the gaps between atla and lok. which SUCKS bc all they had to do was add one more sentence with info about suki and sokka’s adult lives and everything would’ve been so perfect.
but oh well. i’m hoping the adult gaang movie fills in some more gaps. i’m hoping we get a better look at that movie as well some time soon so we can ACTUALLY SEE SUKI.
i hope this was the response u were looking for anon lol 🫶
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canichangemyblogname · 2 months
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The Netflix ATLA adaptation is-- ugh-- not good? At least... it won't be good if you've ever seen the animated ATLA. It's an --eh-- adaptation, yet a decent story. So, it will be entertaining and a lovely family show for those completely unfamiliar with the animated series.
In terms of adaptations, I'd compare it to the Lightning Thief and Sea of Monsters movies. Some strong casting choices and an entertaining story (in a vacuum) with exciting fight sequences and special effects. But the story they tell is more "inspired" by the original than an adaptation of the original into a new medium. You have the same characters, and the characters start their journey for much the same reason (same overarching conflict), and the bad guy is the same, and there are a couple destinations that are the same along the way, but the rest of the plot is completely new, and the reason they've come to certain familiar destinations is also new.
Now, I understand that adaptations need to omit parts, blend parts, change parts, and-- well-- adapt parts for a new medium and in consideration of time constraints and logistical constraints (a good example of this is NATLA removing the end of summer deadline given the logistics and time-frame for filming). I have no issue with that, so do not take this post out of proportion.
I'd actually contrast this adaptation with the recent PJO Disney+ adaptation. While there were parts of the show that were hurried due to time constraints, what was omitted (see: hell hound scene as an example), what was blended (see: DOA recording studios and Crusty's as an example), and what was adapted and added (see: Percy's confrontation with the Luke at the end, the flashbacks, meeting Hermes and laying the foundations of Luke's character and past, and no spiders in the tunnel) do not detract from the story. It tells the same story in a new, creative way for a new medium, and that is what an adaptation is supposed to do. It did so well that the show's only major weakness was its tendency to show rather than tell for the sake of time in a few instances toward the end of the season.
An adaptation can add and omit and be different from the source material, often to help with pacing and to observe new time constraints or logistics concerns, but NATLA made seemingly unnecessary choices that completely change character arcs, and this will have major consequences for how this version's story will end (if Netflix gives it an end). I saw one user on here say that Netflix's ATLA adaptation is as if they took ATLA, stirred it up in a large pot, and then chose certain bits and pieces of that story from there. It's like Lacroix ATLA, a hint of being written next door to a viewing room by people who only kind of remember these character's arcs from their childhood.
EX:
They mashed together the Swamp plotline (kinda) with the Solstice plotline (kinda) with every Spirit World plotline in season 1 of ATLA (yes, Hei Bai, Roku, and Koh) with a bit of the Blue Spirit plotline and June's plotline in two episodes (but omitted the Abbey as they changed the Bato plotline). They also mashed together the Omashu plotline with Jet's plotline with the Northern Air Temple plotline (the mechanist) in about one-and-a-half episodes.
They omitted the Pirate plotline, the Canyon plotline, and the Deserter plotline (Jeong-Jeong erasure). They also kinda skipped over the Bato plotline (rather than a short arc meant to force Aang's character growth and feature Sokka and Katara's choice to fully commit to the hero's journey, it was a flashback to explore Sokka's despair and fear of being a leader), but this change to the ice dodging story was okay. They also kinda skipped over the Storm plotline (we still got Zuko's background and the agni kai with his father, but his relationship with his crew is very different, and we do not get Aang's story about choosing to run away from his future responsibilities), but I liked how they incorporated the 41st Battalion-- the new recruits Zuko was banished for speaking out for-- into members of Zuko's ship crew.
However, all of this means we do not have a story featuring Aang coming to terms with cultural change over 100 years. We also do not have a story about Aang feeling like an outcast (then and now) and coming to terms with his guilt. While he does get a conversation with Gyatso, who tells him that he shouldn't feel guilt, this is very different than personally coming to terms with the culpability he feels for the fate of the world after being frozen for 100 years and running away (show Aang did not run away, but went for a short fly to clear his mind and got stuck in a storm). Aang's tendency to avoid conflict (like running away or hiding things, etc) will be a major part of his struggle with earth bending. However, this Aang does not avoid and evade. Season one explored Aang's struggles with change and flow as he learned to bend the element of change and flow: water. However, this Aang does not seem to have trouble accepting change, going with a new flow, and adapting to new circumstances. We also do not have a story about Aang learning to be a diplomat.
Additionally, we do not have a story featuring Sokka and Katara confronting their grief and coming to terms with their feelings of failure in their respective roles as assigned to them in their parentification (Sokka as the last leader and protector of his cultural heritage in the face of genocide, where he is expected to lay down his life for people with "bigger" destinies than him-- Yue, Katara-- and Katara as the last water bender of the Southern Water Tribe, tasked with surviving and learning to be a bender, possibly at the sacrifice or danger of the people she loves-- her mother and her friends), despite getting one about their despair.
They also omitted events that showcase Aang's carefree nature in season 1, which will make it difficult to contrast who he becomes by the war's end and upon mastering all four elements. This version changes Katara's character, too (as it seems to have done with all the characters), as she's far more level-headed and cautious in this adaptation and is largely missing the anger that made her such a relatable character for many young girls. I also do not know how they'll introduce the white lotus for the Liberation of Ba Sing Se-- if Netflix, notorious for canceling shows, gives this more seasons-- when chunks of the white lotus have been omitted from this version.
I think these changes to the character arcs ultimately detract from the characters and the overall course of this story, making it into a story inspired by the original-- like an AU-- rather than an adaptation.
On the other hand, a change from the original material that I enjoyed is this adaptation's telling of Azula's story, portraying the immense pressure she was always under, as well as the way Ozai manipulated her and encouraged his children to resent each other. I also enjoyed that Ozai wasn't just an archetypal big-bad, but a deeply flawed and cruel man driven by his fanaticism. It was clear he knew what he was doing in his treatment of those around him, and he knew that it hurt them, but he did it anyway because he believed it was morally right and that he had the moral right as the leader of his nation and family.
The NATLA actors had big shoes to fill, and I think they did their characters justice for the story those characters were given. Daniel Dae Kim said his inspiration for Ozai was modern politicians, and he really brought that to the table. George Takei was a great choice for the voice of Koh, and casting a comedian, Danny Pudi, to play the mechanist was also a good choice. Ian Ousley (Sokka) brought the energy of a sardonic, cringe-fail nerd with the potential to become a wicked smart strategist and engineer who is weighed down by grief and impossible responsibilities. Dallas James Liu (Zuko) brought the energy of a resentful and, at times, cruel ball of anger and angst who is tormented by internal moral conflicts and memories of abuse. Gordon Cormier (Aang) and Kiawentiio Tarbell (Katara) both brought the idealism of their characters and the hope for the future they represent in the face of genocide.
Ultimately, I think the show was handicapped by its medium (live-action) and length (eight 40-minute episodes). There were a lot of critical character-development plotlines they had to omit, and many that they had to find a way to sort of shoehorn into just three to four middle episodes. However, to do that, they made critical changes that will affect the story. What makes ATLA such a beloved piece of media is how dynamic the characters are, and I just can't see this adaptation accomplishing this given how the characters and their arcs have been changed.
A good adaptation is hard to achieve.
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ao3feed-zukka · 2 years
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Carry What You Can
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by OhMyFreddy
Sokka is bitter and broken after Ba Sing Se, but Katara and Aang are worse. Their only choice is to regroup and plan, and even that is a hard and terrifying prospect as the Avatar's unconsciousness lingers. Sokka's grateful to have his father to lean upon, and during those times they're separated, he leans into ruthlessness.
Zuko is hearing and doing all the right things, one after another. His exile finally ends. His path is laid before him perfect and predictable. He should feel like a man walking upon a plush, flat carpet. Instead, his footing feels as treacherous as wet shale as he runs from choices he regrets, and toward choices he realizes he fears even more.
Words: 6145, Chapters: 1/22, Language: English
Series: Part 3 of Heart's A Thousand Colors
Fandoms: Avatar: The Last Airbender
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: Underage
Categories: M/M
Characters: Sokka (Avatar), Zuko (Avatar), Iroh (Avatar), Katara (Avatar), Aang (Avatar), Toph Beifong, Suki (Avatar), Hakoda, Azula, Ozai (Avatar), Mai (Avatar), Ty Lee (Avatar)
Relationships: Sokka/Zuko (Avatar)
Additional Tags: Slow Burn, Getting Back Together, Enemies to Friends to Lovers, Angst with a Happy Ending, Canon Universe, Canon-Typical Violence, Instances of Homophobic Language and Attitudes from Antagonists, Sokka's Sexism Erasure, POV Alternating, Underage Drinking, Mentions of Past Suicidal Inclinations, Minor Aang/Katara (Avatar), Minor Mai/Zuko (Avatar), Explicit Sexual Content, Consensual Underage Sex
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dreamsequencer · 4 years
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The thing about Zuko was that he just didn't know when to quit.
Sokka felt like maybe someone had told him, a long time ago, to pick his battles, and Zuko had picked all of them.
It was like his fight or flight instinct didn't exist. It was just fight. All the time. Constantly. And it was on overdrive.
That was what was going through Sokka's head as he watched the scene unfolding in front of him.
Zuko was yelling at a general who was three, maybe four times his age. And he was pissed.
"I am telling you to withdraw all troops from the Earth Kingdom! I am telling you to do that and you are telling me no, is that right? Am I misinterpreting the situation or are you telling me no?"
"I am telling you no, that's right."
"Oh, really? Because the last time I checked, I'm the one in charge!"
"I am a Fire Nation general!"
"And I am the Fire Lord!"
"You are a child! Tell me, what does a child know of war?"
"WE ARE NO LONGER AT WAR!" Zuko roared - and yes, roared is exactly the word Sokka would choose - and the torches that lined the walls flared with his anger.
The general actually, physically took a step back, and he looked genuinely afraid. Sokka could hardly blame him.
Zuko had told Sokka a few days ago that he was working on controlling his anger.
Right now, it appeared as if any attempts to control his anger had gone right the fuck out the window.
"Fire Lord Zuko, I did not mean-"
"Oh, I know what you meant. I know very well what you meant," Zuko said in a low, almost growling voice, and somehow it was even more terrifying than him yelling. "You think I'm too young. That I don't know what I'm talking about. Is that right?" He didn't wait for the man to respond. "You think I know nothing of war, but in the past three years I've come to know war. I've gotten to know war on an incredibly intimate level. What is war to you?"
The man said nothing, as if waiting for Zuko's permission to speak.
"Go ahead. Answer me. What is war to you? I'm asking you a question. What do you think war is?"
"Well, war is... it's a conflict between two nations."
"Wrong."
"It's a series of battles."
"Wrong!"
"It's-"
"I'm gonna cut you off right there because whatever you're gonna say, it's wrong!" Zuko slammed his fist down on the table. "War is death. War is-"
"Well, yes, people die in every war, but that's just the price we-"
"Do not. Fucking. Interrupt me," Zuko growled. "This war? The one I'm trying to end? This war is the genocide of a people who couldn't fight back. This war is the decimation of one tribe and the forced isolation of another. It's imperialism. It's the erasure of entire cultures. It's a series of not battles, but massacres."
It was at this point that Sokka realized Zuko had the general cornered, had him backed up against the wall.
"This war has lasted for 100 years and now I'm saying that it's over. That we are no longer going to spread death and destruction across the world, because that is what we are doing. What do I know of war? I know a 12-year-old boy who's the last of his kind. I know a 14-year-old girl whose mother died to protect her. I know a girl who's far too good at fighting for her age. I know a little blind girl who nearly died trying to take down our airship fleet. And I know a boy who had to become the head of his family far too soon. Who had his childhood stolen from him when his father had to leave him to fight in our war. A boy my age. If I am too young to be Fire Lord, then he is certainly too young to be a soldier! Do not try to tell me what war is when you've only ever had a cushy, high-ranking position on the winning side! Don't try to tell me what war is until you've been on the front lines fighting what you know is a hopeless battle! Don't try to tell me what war is until you've seen what it's done to the children. You say I am only a child, and you're right. You say I'm too young to know anything of war? I am. I am too young! And that's the problem! Someone my age shouldn't have to experience war the way I have, so it ends here! Today! You are going to have all of our troops withdrawn from the Earth Kingdom, and from wherever the fuck else they might be, or I am going to have you thrown in a prison cell and let you rot."
The general nodded. "Yes, Fire Lord Zuko. It will be done."
"Good."
The general left, and Zuko sank into his chair, his energy spent. "I know you've been watching us, Sokka."
Sokka came out of his (admittedly terrible) hiding place behind a plant. "You alright?"
Zuko sighed. "That's the problem. I don't know how it feels to be alright. That's the true cost of this war. No one alive now has ever experienced peace."
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A/N: okay so this was supposed to be a short, funny piece about Zuko losing his shit at a general but then it turned into a rant about the effects of war, so... yeah, sorry about that.
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sokkagatekeeper · 3 years
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hey, so, if zukka were to happen in a canon compliant universe how do you think it would unfold??
nour has talked about one problem that may arise for them when they're still getting together: that zuko is so much more emotionally open than sokka, and how to could cause misunderstands between them. and that's compounded by the fact that sokka refuses to believe that people are into him, regardless of how open they are about it. (god. it's a good thing suki, yue, and zuko are all so open.)
but beyond that, i don't think that them getting together would be a very long or dramatic process. zuko is has too much bravery/impulsiveness and too much of a propensity for oversharing to pine after sokka for years without telling him imo. but moreover, i think that romance is just. a natural progression of their friendship. their romance isn't cosmically significant, it's just two guys who are in love. what even is romance, anyway? gay people being close enough friends is kind of inherently gay. what was i saying.
so, their relationship by the end of canon is “good friends with some sort of homoeroticism going on”. i don't think that they were doing anything inherently romantic during the canon timeline; things happened too quickly and they were too stressed during the final episodes to worry about forming new romantic relationships, but they had some sort of tension. tension that i think other people (namely suki and toph) would've picked up on (more than they picked up on it themselves tbh), but had the sense not to bring up until the war was over.
when things are starting to settle after the war ends, everyone has different things they need to do. sokka decides to travel the world (after visiting gran-gran and the swt, of course), and suki wants to return to kyoshi island to help rebuild and to be with her sisters again. sokka freaks out a bit about what this means for the future of their relationship, and suki's like, “dude, chill. let's just do long distance. we can still write to each other, and see each other whenever we can. plus, we don't have to be exclusive. i think seeing other people would take pressure off our relationship.” (suki may or may not have a crush on ty lee at this point. shhh don't tell anyone. she's right anyway, so.) and sokka's like “oh. yeah. great idea suki i love you so much.” and it goes like this because there is nothing inherently wrong with sokka and suki’s relationship in canon and to claim otherwise or break them up for no reason would probably be an erasure and dismissal of suki (solid, strong female character in a healthy relationship) in favor of two men getting together which is not very cool or feminist. but also this is fandom we don't come here to do activism so like. add long as you aren't demonizing or completely disregarding suki it's whatever. where was i.
on one of sokka's next visits to the fire nation, he and zuko are spending time together, probably talking about some nerd shit like books or something. and they get into some convoluted argument about it—something neither of them actually have that strong of an opinion on, but they find it so fun to debate anyway. for some reason. nerds. and zuko starts laughing and. oh hmm that's new . and also kind of not? hmmmm sokka needs to think about this more......
as soon as he gets a chance, sokka visits toph to explain the situation. toph responds that, well, if sokka likes zuko then he should be with zuko. and sokka's like, “but?? i don't want anything to change between us.” and toph responds, “why does it have to? look, you guys have obviously always had some gay shit going on” (“what???”) “nothing really has to change if you add, like, kissing or whatever to your relationship. not unless you want it to.” and sokka, mostly reassured says, “ok but... what if he doesn't like me.” and toph says, “sokka, you're the smartest person i know. how you don't see that zuko's been at least somewhat in love with you since you got back from the boiling rock is absolutely beyond me.” and sokka's like “oh.... haha..... yeah.......” but internally he's freaking out. (really????? all this time????????)
the next time zuko and sokka see each other, they're able to pick up where they left off (they always are. neurodivergent legends). sokka doesn't say anything immediately. how is he supposed to go about this again? well, they go out to a play. they get their own booth to sit in (being fire lord does have some upsides), which serves them well, because they spend most of the time talking shit about the play. zuko gets way too heated about bad theatre, which is kind of adorable, actually? and then zuko is smiling and he's like. really pretty. which has always been the case; zuko being pretty is simply a fact of life, it's been true ever since they became friends, which. hmm. in retrospect maybe sokka should've realized things earlier.
regardless. as they're leaving, sokka looks at zuko, and zuko looks at sokka, and there's no one else around, and it's just. oh. sokka should say something. what, though? what if he says the wrong thing and messes everything up. what if toph was wrong. what if—
“sokka,” zuko says, and everything feels so charged. “can i kiss you?” it takes sokka a second to register that this is actually happening, zuko actually wants this, before he nods, and zuko kisses him. #happy ending
mostly though there’s not one specific way we believe would unfold, and however the story goes the most important thing is that the events feel true to their dynamic and individual personalities. sokka and zuko as characters both contain multitudes, and their respective traits could potentially collide in a thousand different ways and thus their ultimate inevitable get-together could go a thousand different ways. sidenote i also enjoy the implications of this post.
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One thing that makes me super mad about everyone always talking abt suki erasure (besides ppl just being mad at The Gays) is that,,, suki doesn’t just exist to be sokka’s girlfriend?? Like why isn’t she allowed to exist without him, and be a badass individual, answer that cishets
you know what that’s also a very good point it’s time for suki posting that doesn’t involve sokka at all she deserves to be more than the fandom’s No Homo card
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qiralync · 3 years
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Hakoda and Zuko's relationship in canon: *non existent*
Iroh and Zuko's relationship in canon: *Iroh showering Zuko with unconditional love and affection*
Someone: mentions Iroh as Zuko's only parent
Some fans: *shocked Pikachu face*
Me: why are fans getting upset about Hakoda not being recognized as Zuko's father/ trying to get Hakoda recognized as Zuko's father when Hakoda hasn't shown any affection towards Zuko at all? 🤨 Heck I saw a post with appreciating Iroh as Zuko's only parent and people complained it was Hakoda erasure... What Erasure!? There is nothing to erase to begin with. 🤦
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Fanfictions tagged with Hakoda and Zuko: 240
Fanfictions tagged with Hakoda and Sokka: 140
Fanfictions tagged with Hakoda and Katara: 70
Me: 😐 there are more stories with Hakoda and Zuko than there are of Hakoda with Sokka and Katara combined... Rlly fandom? Rlly? But srsly instead of focusing on Hakodas relationship with someone he canonically met only a few times how about you focus on Hakodas relationship with his actual kids first?
Canon: Iroh's Zuko's dad
Fanon: Hakoda is Zuko's dad who's Iroh?
Me: Stop erasing Iroh as Zuko's parent and replacing him with Hakoda. Where did all this Hakoda is best dad come from though? We don't exactly see a lot of him being a parent to his own kids nevermind Zuko.
Some fans: Headcanon Hakoda adopting Zuko
The same fans: Also headcanon Zukka or Zutara
Me: incest much? Considering how popular Zukka and Zutara are you'd think the fans would want them to be unrelated so they can get married.
Canon Zuko: Has a hard time accepting Iroh's fatherly love
Fanon Zuko: Is thrilled at the prospect of being adopted and has no qualms of being adopted despite just recently accepting Iroh as a father.
Me: What bothers me the most is fans think Hakoda is an amazing dad to Zuko and better than Iroh canonically based on assumptions they or someone else made up. Hakoda adopting Zuko IS. NOT. CANON. Some fans should stop treating it like it is and stop expecting others to treat it as canon.
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Hello! I've been following your midewest bi disaster zukka series for a while, and I remember you mentioning the first few installments were written to have an OC cast, so I was wondering if you can tell us more about them. Sorry if you've gotten this question before!
Hey there! I realized I never answered this but I want to! Nothing really earthshaking, but still. :) Also it got super long so I'm gonna put it under a cut: 
Basically, I used to live in an apartment complex that's the whole basis for Sokka and Zuko's apartments: dog friendly, balconies to yell off of, full of old people, almost a retirement community. 😋 So I wanted to try my hand at writing something sort of funny that played on the apartments (I've always just sort of written for fun bc it's good for my brain), and I got the basic idea of a person getting obsessed with their downstairs neighbor bc they assumed they were another old homebody only to realize the person was VERY much not that. My partner helped me brainstorm the name "Barbie McBoomer" and the story took shape very much as it is not. The protagonist was a woman in that one, although the personality is pretty similar to what Sokka's turned into: outgoing, chaotic, a little obsessive, loves their dog. :) And the downstairs neighbor was a hot Chinese EMT just bc I thought that was about as different from the assumed "Barbie McBoomer" as could be.
So yeah, some of those original details remained and inadvertently shaped the series--Sokka having moved away from his small hometown for work, him having a dog while Zuko had a cat, this absolutely insane way of meeting someone. :) I actually toyed with if I wanted Zuko to still be an EMT or if I should pick a different job with a crazy schedule for him, but I ended up really liking the EMT thing with his personality.
As far as the next two stories with the original cast, the plot was the same (fake date to sister's wedding), but the OC protagonist was more worried about being the unmarried big sister and encountering an old ex at the wedding than the bisexual erasure we got with Zukka. "The Roadtrip" stayed pretty similar except changes to personalities and backstories, but "The Wedding" became a VERY different story overall. In the original, the Hahn character was the protagonist's shitty past ex, not their high school bully, and there was a lot less shared trauma/emotional support. So by the time I was essentially rewriting "The Wedding" to be Zukka, it had really become its own thing.
Oh also, I definitely thought the series would end with "The Wedding" bc that's where the OC one ended. Then I thought it would end with "The Family Problem" and love confession. And now... now it might never end apparently. I feel really connected to these versions of the characters I've made, and it's been pure joy delving into such a gradual, emotionally-complex, humorously chaotic relationship.
If nothing else, I've got more stories written and ideas that would get us at least to a proposal, so I'm guessing the series will at least go that far :)
Ok, so that was FAR more than you could possibly have wanted, but I guess I really love this series and wanted a chance to talk about it! Thanks for this ask, my friend!
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dylanaz · 3 years
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Late night thoughts... Zutara (some rambling. Nothing you unheard of)
Now that I am rewatching ATLA, I see why Zutara would've been a bit rushed if it was an endgame.
Zuko's full redemption began after (almost) half of Book 3. And Zuko and Katara had a few episodes together after that. (Which are extremely shippy 😜)
Still, I don't see the "A/ang and Katara had 3 Books of development" argument being the truth.
Actually, I would say, "A/ang and Katara had 3 Books of scenes", because
1. What happened after second half of Book 3 is absolutely not development. It was regression. (Sadly)
2. They had very small development. (Also sadly)
What is funny is that Zuko had the most development (alone and) with every other character in Gaang than he had with his love interest. 😂
Even (considering she never even had a life changing field trip with Zuko. 🥺) Toph gets along better with Zuko than Mai.
What kind of tyranny is that? 😬🤨
And I do believe out of the fieldtrips he had with the Gaang kids, Katara had the most progression after that, mentally.
(Though, I do believe Aang had some development as the Avatar after that trip, he was pretty much the same kid he was before that.
Sokka got to free his dad from prison.
Katara let go of her past and got her erasure. And that was pretty much part of her character arc)
Because of these reasons, I believe Katara and Zuko had the most development together. Not the most scenes, but the most development.
And I do think Zuko (loved) had a crush on Katara.
I mean, the lightning bolt scene can't be interpreted in any different way to me. If you think Zuko did it for literally nothing, it cheapens the sacrifice. 👁👄👁
Also, Katara trying to reach Zuko while forgetting Azula is there... it makes it more romantic. 😗 Katara did have feelings for Spice King.
Of course Zuko and Katara getting together right away would be a bit rushed.
But not as K/ataang rushed. (*whines in regression* I kinda liked K/ataang, after my rewatch, tho. 😗 Book 1...)
It would feel more natural, since they had it all. (Love, development, story with interesting plot, character arcs that are woven together and understanding. Symbolism. Everything. They had everything. Maybe except more scenes. They needed more scenes together)
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I think I'm one step closer to enlightenment, now that I'm free of my anger towards the fandom. Or K/ataang in general.
K/ataang is a cute ship. Except that some parts of it were messed up. But... 😗 as a person who reads Greek Mythology, it is nothing unheard of. Yes. It's problematic. But it no longer upsets me. It's just a fiction, afterall.
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@avatarfandompolice​​​ is a blog that likes to misuse progressive language in attempt to make ignorant, racist posts sound more intelligent than they are. While most of their blog consists of arguing about ‘zutara,’ (which I recently learned is a ship name for Zuko and Katara from an anon), there is also a large number of posts and reblogs under the premise of being “hot takes” on how unfair it is to address racism in fandom and in media.
Avatarfandompolice is very sensitive about people pointing out that Avatar: The Last Airbender is not, in fact, flawless. That a show made by two white men featuring Asian and Indigenous characters and influences is fully capable of getting things wrong. That their western colonial views are influences all on their own, and it shows. Rather than listen to fans of colour point out things like these posts for example: [Link] [Link] [Link], avatarfandompolice has decided that such things must simply be fake, and has made multiple posts complaining it. This is not just regular ignorance, this is wilful ignorance. The dismissal of critique simply because they cannot fathom not everyone being able to handle the amount of issues they are freely educating others on, or people holding the ability to like something overall while also pointing out where it could be better.
It is my firm belief that you should never absorb media with an uncritical eye. If this was the case, if people just accepted everything given to them, then we would never see any progress. We need to be able to look back at something and say here’s what we did right, and here’s what we need to do better with.
The argument that A:TLA was made in 2012 and therefore should not be analyzed with a modern understanding of the world is downright hilarious, too. As if we aren’t taught to write literature analysis on books and plays that are centuries old in school. In particular regards to the whole cop thing... if anyone reading this seriously thinks that hate and fear of the police is just a 2020 trend, you can meet me in the pit. I was four years old when I learned how terrifying cops are. If your experiences differ, let me tell you that does not make them universal. And as for all the 20-somethings talking about it today, well, gentle reminder that as said by avatarfandompolice right here, the show aired in 2012. Little 10-year-old kids don’t have social media, (at least I hope they don’t,) and unless they grew up experiencing first-hand police terror, probably were not aware of it at that age. I do not know why avatarfandompolice insults people's ability to grow and learn. I can only guess it’s jealously from their lack of ability to do so.
Now let’s address their defences of whitewashing, which is easily the most backwards reaching I’ve seen on this issue in a while. Primarily their defence relies on four repetitive “points” —
Fake minuscule percentages to downplay the high prevalence and extremity of whitewashing in the fandom
Deflecting the addressing of whitewashing with rapid-fire fake scenarios and claims of “reverse racism” / “blackwashing”
Claiming whitewashing isn’t real because people only care about it with Katara
Claiming that calling out whitewashing in fandom is wrong because it hurts artists
I have only so much as dipped my toes into the A:TLA fandom, and even I have seen a lot of whitewashed fan art. If you do an image search for fan art, I guarantee within the first couple rows of results, there will be in the absolute least, a few examples. The idea of these artworks not substantially lightening skin is also just plain inaccurate. Just from a quick Google search, this is literally the first result for ‘Avatar The Last Airbender Katara fan art’:
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Avatarfandompolice is also hyper-focused on the lightening of skin, and seems to be under the impression that this is the only component of whitewashing. I come to this conclusion because when someone pointed out the equal prevalence of depicting these characters of colour with Western European features instead of their actual eyes, noses, etc., they rip a giant turd out of their ass and scrawl the words “but stereotyping” over it. No, not all Asian peoples and Indigenous peoples look the same. The original poster made no such claim of this at all. Avatarfandompolice jumped to this conclusion all on their own... (which really says a lot in itself). It is entirely unrelated to the point. The point being the erasure of how these characters look, in favour of giving them whiter features. And guess what? This does hurt. But I’ll get to that below.
The lack of understanding of whitewashing is on full display when avatarfandompolice talks about “blackwashing”; the idea that colouring characters with darker skin is just like whitewashing. Firstly, there is no such thing as “blackwashing.” “Blackwashing,” “brownwashing,” etc. does not exist because it is a false equivalency to whitewashing. It is a false equivalency to whitewashing because white people are not even in the slightest loosing representation when a white character is re-imagined as a racial minority, whereas when racial minorities are re-imagined as white people, they are taking away from what is already very little representation for us. If we lived in a world where the statistics of representation were not so drastically disproportionate, then there would be something to talk about. But if you are really wanting to support equality, you should focus on equitably supporting those who actually need it, not white people. As for specifically depicting characters like Sokka and Katara with darker skin than what they have in the show, the same applies, (so long as it’s not racebending them as we really shouldn’t be taking representation away from each other, and the artist avatarfandompolice ridicules above has done no such thing,) because colourism also exists within nonwhite communities as well.
As for the fake questions about cosplaying, the answer is really simple: Cosplay however you want, but don’t make pretending to be a different race part of your cosplay. If you want to cosplay Katara, you can do it without painting your skin darker, aka brownface. If you want to cosplay Zuko, you can do it without editing yourself to look East Asian, aka digital yellowface. The racist history behind this is an internet search away, but I suppose that is too difficult for avatarfandompolice to do.
Avatarfandompolice has made multiple claims that people must not really care about whitewashing if they only call it out for Katara. It is laughable at best, and sad at worst, that this is the conclusion they come to, and not the fact that unfortunately Katara just happens to be subjected to more whitewashing than other characters. I assume this is from a mix of her popularity as well as being a WOC and not MOC. This is not to say that whitewashing does not exist with male characters—not in the slightest. Half the images on this “10 fan art pictures of Sokka that are just the best” list from CBR are whitewashed. Only that across fandoms, whitewashing is more prevalent in female characters, by my observations at least.
Finally—and this one pisses me off the most—avatarfandompolice claims that whitewashing is no big deal, but calling out whitewashing is too harmful to justify. How fucking dare you put the feelings of artists who can’t handle critique of their work (that they publicly share) over fans of colour, who are constantly subjected to seeing our identities and looks not being worth respecting. As if it doesn’t imprint on your mind from a very young age how only villains ever have your facial features, because they’re ugly and I guess that means you’re ugly. As if there is something wrong with you. As if respecting you is regarded as extra effort, and not just common courtesy.
Whitewashing is a form of colourism, which is a form of racism. It is the favouritism, unconscious or not, of white features and the erasure of visible characters of colour. It is not fandom drama. It is not being too lazy to focus on “real issues” because it is part of a real issue. It is yet another part of why fandom spaces are so uninviting to POC. We live in a society that favours lighter skin. Corporations make fortunes from selling products to bleach your skin, products to contour your features away or go as far as surgery, all to meet beauty standards set by and influenced by white colonizers. That does not exist in A:TLA, and that’s called refreshing escapism. But it’s hard to escape that when the fandom constantly reminds you otherwise. It is a perfect example of how the classic “just let people enjoy things” complaint is nothing but disguised racism, because it’s only ever said regarding white fans’ enjoyment, at the expense of fans of colour.
None of the characters in A:TLA are white. Redesigning them and recolouring them as if they are, be it out of accident or intent is wrong. If you get called out for it, apologize, learn from the experience and do better going forward. You’ll also improve your art this way.
Beyond excusing whitewashing, avatarfandompolice has overt racist posts as well. A Black fan said they like to headcanon Katara as being partially Black; “I swear Katara was a sister. Im convinced there ain't no way she didn't have some black in her.” Avatarfandompolice jumps in saying “She's literally an Inuit but ok” as if being an Inuk person means Katara can’t possibly also be Black. The OP never claimed Katara was not Indigenous, simply that they also saw her as Black. Black Indigenous peoples exist. Black Inuk peoples exist. It is overtly anti-Black to say otherwise. But what even is the point of talking to avatarfandompolice about that? You know, you would think in trying to put such a front up of caring about the Inuit, they would do the most basic learning of the proper grammatical use of Inuit and Inuk. (As is the case with a great many Indigenous Nations, Inuit is both the Nation and plural. Inuk is singular. “An Inuit” / “Inuits” as avatarfandompolice has used just makes their dressed-up racism all the more pathetic. It’s similar to as if you said “Chinas” instead of “Chinese”.)
But all this is nothing, nothing compared to the worst post I had the displeasure of seeing. In a single post, avatarfandompolice manages to squeeze in insult against low income people, Mexican people, Jewish people, and Black people in a mockery of financial help posts. Absolutely disgusting, childish behaviour from a place of privilege. As someone who has had no option but to make such a post before, more than once, let me fucking tell you that the embarrassment and desperation when in that situation is unparalleled. It is not done lightly. It is done when you are at the last resort of having nothing but hope that the combined generosity of others will be enough to save you and your family. And what adds a whole other level to the odiousness of avatarfandompolice’s post is that they specifically targeting low income minorities to boot. Because we’re all poor beggars, right?
All in all, for someone who prides themselves in calling others ignorant, avatarfandompolice has to be one of the most obtuse fandom blogs I have ever scrolled through. They are as vile as they are pathetic, and my sincere sympathy for anyone who has been unfortunate enough to interact with them. It has been a while since I so strongly recommend blocking someone.
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hello! I saw your post on how you stated that you were in the atla fandom for 7+ years. i myself was also involved in the fandom a couple of years back, mostly just watching videos + reading the comics but never really engaging in fandom discourse. now that i am actively taking part in the greater fandom, but also just seeing atla everywhere, I’ve certainly been exposed to my share of... different (interesting or bizarre or downright awful-putting-ATLA-on-netflix-was-a-mistake) takes that came out of the renaissance. i wanted to know your opinion, since you’ve been in the fandom for a while: how would you say that the fandom/fandom discourse has changed in the time of the renaissance? for instance, im seeing a lot more people come out and say that they prefer zvtara as a friendship or surrogate sibling relationship, which is something I’ve never expected but I’m thrilled to discover, as that was my initial interpretation of their relationship.
honestly basically nothing has changed except there’s more aang active stans and less aang hate. one of the main changes i think has been a shift from zu.tara rhetoric in the fandom (anti kat/aang, pro sokka being zuko’s best friend, general mai & aang hate or erasure, conspiracy theories) to zu.kka rehetoric (less mai hate bc she can be shipped with ty lee and f/f uwu :33, ka/taang as a nice sideship, pro platonic zvtara, no conspiracy theory bc like, it obviously wasn’t plausible). you can kinda see the shift from which characters received the most hate (aang, mai) to which characters receive the most hate now (katara). before, aang got in the way of ZK and mai was mean to zuko. now, katara isn’t ship desirable on a massive scale and she’s mean to zuko (and sokka in TSR; hence people trying to act like sokka parented her more than the other way around, because why let katara have good traits and also be flawed, right?). so - yeah, it tracks.
that being said, the slight decline of zu.tara does mean more narrative analyses that was previously clouded by a vitriolic insistence on romance, like a sudden swell of noticing azula-katara parallels and their subsequent sisterly bonds with zuko. there’s also a little more mind for different cultures since sokka doesn’t tend to be completely sequestered into zuko’s political life the way that katara tended to be (ie. remaining southern water tribe chief v.s fire lady katara). there’s no conspiracy theory because it’s pretty obvious that nickelodeon / kids animation wouldn’t have let zu.kka fly in 2005 and it was never on the table - which thank god bc fandom conspiracy theories are some of the most annoying and batshit insane crap i have ever seen.
some things have stayed the same, though. a misunderstanding of how mai operates emotionally which leads to a misunderstanding of how mai/zuko functions as a ship. ignoring zuka.ang in favour of shipping zuko with a water tribe kid who he barely thinks about or barely thinks about him. all characters / other ships being tagged under posts that are actually about the fandom’s top prized ship that is somehow ‘woker’ / more progressive than what canon actually went with (ignoring both the narrative and spiritual point each canon ship makes). 
truly an interesting avatar cycle indeed.
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casualdadnomad · 3 years
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what bones have u got to pick with fanon sokka cause i have some too 😳 feel free to ignore :)
oh where to START!
first of all, i understand why we would want to view sokka as a himbo because he’s a funny, non-threatening man who loves women, BUT, by textbook definition of himbo, he is not one. mans is not dumb! and a lot of zukkas do this thing where they’ll throw sokka into the himbo category because zuko is the firelord and has responsibility and blah blah blah, and we see SO MUCH in canon that sokka is like, the king of being responsible! if anything, zuko’s the mild dumb ass (love the man but he did tell the spirits to shoot him with lightning, believed his sister when she said “dad said lol nvm u can come home”, challenged katara to a duel on a snowy tundra).
my issue with fanon sokka is mostly erasure of like 75% of his personality since we focus so much on his telling-jokes-cactus-juice-food-goofing-around side and less on his master-schedule-dad-friend-literally-invented-war-balloons-and-submarines side! i just want to see more smart sokka cause a lot of fanon interpretations of him 
The thing with zukka is that it’s not a lovable idiot x brooding angry man, it’s more of lovable idiot nerd x angsty lovable idiot. and i love that for them! i just wish more people would see it!
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