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ourlastbastion · 2 years
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My biggest problem with Lila is that the crew seems to have wanted to make a smart villain to counter Ladybug (and go against Chloe who’s “evil” is just being an entitled rich kid with too much ego) which is great . Problem is the writers didn’t know how to write a smart villain so they “solved” it by making the rest of the characters dumber when Lila was involved.
Like no, dumbing down everyone doesn’t make your writing better or your villain smarter. You had the chance to do something cool and threw it into the furnace.
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wishcamper · 3 months
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Nesta, Interrupted: gendered perceptions of alcoholism in ACOSF
CW: addiction, sexual assault, gendered violence.
Creds: I’m a licensed counselor with a degree specialization in treating addiction. I have career experience with multiple modes of mental health, trauma, and substance use treatment in women-specific carceral, institutional, and healthcare settings. And I know anyone can come on the internet and say that, but I pinky promise.
The short version:
ACOSF stigmatizes alcoholism in line with cultural standards.
Western culture feels differently about female and male alcoholics due to systemic sexism, and thus treats them differently.
Women’s experience of alcoholism is often compounded by or even a result of systemic factors and intersectional identity.
Nesta’s treatment in ACOSF, while repugnant, is in many ways very accurate of attitudes today.
(I’ll be using “women/men” and “male/female” to denote cis afab and amab people. Little research exists on the experiences of queer, nonbinary and gender expansive considerations in addiction and recovery, which is a fuckin’ shame. Studies are also largely conducted with white participants due to enormous barriers to treatment for Black, Indigenous, and people of color, so this convo is inherently incomplete where it neglects those intersections.)
Okay, first things first: ACOSF is a book that stigmatizes alcoholism. I will not be taking questions.
The number one thing to understand is that in America, land of Miss Sarah, we are very bad at addiction treatment (tx). Why? Because our culture hates addicts has as stigma around addiction. And female alcoholics bear a very specific set of stigmas based in their identity.
In Susanna Kaysen’s memoir Girl, Interrupted , Kaysen’s character is institutionalized following a non-fatal suicide attempt. When evaluated, she’s diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, that bastion of diagnoses perfect for people (75% of whom are female-identified) who don’t fit into our polite definition of functioning. As the book unfolds, she reflects on how (white) women are often pathologized when they buck against systems of oppression that create the dysfunction in them in the first place. That is not to say other women in the institution are not genuinely in need of help, nor that mental illness in women is always from a systemic wound. But it’s crucial in the treatment of female addiction and mental health disorders to considered the systemic factors of gendered violence and patriarchy, and the attitudes we hold about women who struggle with drinking.
Think about female alcoholics in media. If she’s young, she’s a loose, reckless sl*t looking for trouble and deserving of the reality check when she finds it (Amy Schumer in Trainwreck, Lindsay Lohan in general). Or if the woman are older, they are discarded, or gross, or pathetic, or evil like anyone Faye Dunaway played or Eminem’s mom in 8 Mile (deep cut lol). Men are afforded a much larger spectrum of experiences and struggles - Ernest Hemingway, Leaving Las Vegas, Sideways, the dude from A Star is Born, Frank from Shameless (brilliant), frat boys, blue collar workers, introspective tortured artists, fucking IRON MAN. I could go on forever, but I hope that illustrates the depth and diversity of male-centric stories of alcoholism not often afforded to women.
One of the most empathetic and accurate portrayals of female alcoholism, in my opinion, is in the show Sharp Objects (the book, too, but actually witnessing it makes a difference). We see Amy Adams’ Camille swig vodka from an Evian bottle while fending off vicious, veiled attacks from her verbally and emotionally abusive mother and experiencing flashbacks of teenage sexual assault. We watch her struggle to find emotional safety in her conservative hometown, both wanting to fit in and get out in order to survive. We GET why she drinks and I have trouble blaming her for it even as she wreaks havoc on herself and others. We can see her clawing just to make it out alive, and alcohol is the tool she’s using to do it, for better or worse.
Which is where Nesta enters the chat. When we get our first glimpse of her alcohol use is ACOFAS, it’s portrayed as something everyone knows about but that she’s still mostly keeping it together - her dress is clean, her hair is neatly braided, she doesn’t need a chaperone to show up to a family event. The deterioration between ACOFAS and ACOSF is alarming, and we know that alcoholism is a progressive condition so that tends to happen. Was there a particular trigger? That’s hard to say. Solstice certainly didn’t help, especially with the pressures to perform and conform to the standards of the Inner Circle aka the people in power. I imagine seeing her sisters bouncey and reveling in the world that stole them and killed their father was probably.. tough, to say the least. The barge party seems to be a turning point as well, though this one is more confusing to me. But given the child abuse, extreme poverty, sexual assault, kidnapping, bodily violation, witnessing her father’s murder, almost dying, WAR - and that’s not even to mention essentially becoming a refugee - it would be amazing if she DIDN’T drink. She 100% has complex trauma, and is looking for ways to cope.
No one with full capacity dreams of becoming an addict when they grow up. Addiction, in my professional and personal experience, is largely a strategy for coping with a deeper wound. People don’t drink to feel bad. They drink to feel good, and to survive. Nesta herself is drinking to survive, but it’s having the unfortunate side effect of killing her at the same time. As she slides into active addiction, the thought of her own death may even be comforting, and alcohol in that way is her friend. (There's some interesting research right now framing addiction as an attachment disorder, but I don't know enough to speak on it much.)
So she obviously needs help. That’s not a debate. What is a debate is how the IC should best go about intervening. A variation on the Johnson method is used in ACOSF (the one from the show Intervention) and appears to be successful only because they threaten her if she doesn’t comply. This method has mixed data to support it, and while it’s very good at getting people into tx, there is a higher relapse rate for those who receive it (1). The “family” gathers and tells her the ways she’s hurt them and tell her the consequences if she doesn’t seek the help they’re offering. And again, so many of their reason are the effects on THEM, how she’s making THEM look, not her pain.
The IC’s ignorance and dismissal of her alcoholism in ACOSF is frankly mystifying. Why do they intervene on all the drinking and sexing, anyway? It seems like they’ve been fine enough with it up to this point. But now it's gone too far, not because of her illness but because she is embarrassing them. And I don’t know about you, but between Cassian apparently fucking half of Velaris and Mor’s heavily documented emotional drinking, that’s hard to square. It makes it feel much more likely that they don’t like the way she is coping, that she is not fitting into their picture of who she’s supposed to be. This picture is inherently gendered, because Prythian society and those who live in it have explicit and implicit expectations of gender roles, whether they’ll admit it or not. Cassian and Mor are playing their roles well; Nesta is not.
That leads me to believe it is NOT all about her, but the systemic and internal factors influencing their perception of her and the ways she’s struggling. It’s distasteful to them for her, a female, to be deteriorating this publicly, despite the fact that her very identity makes it harder for her to function in the patriarchy of Prythian. We hear almost exclusively about sexual violence against women, aside from 2 male characters. Past or present assault of women is a major plot point on multiple occasions (Mor, Gwyn, Nesta, Emerie, Rhysands mom and sister, the lady of autumn, Cassians mom, Azriels mom, I could go on). But something about the way Nesta is contending with that is unacceptable, and I believe it’s because she’s not trying to cover up her dysfunction. In prythian, we keep these things hidden- Mor’s assault is never processed in full, Azriel’s mom seems to be alone at Rosehall, priestesses are literally hidden inside a mountain for centuries. Women process trauma alone and in the dark, but Nesta is in the light and she is loud. She is refusing to hide her problems, and the IC don’t like that, whether they realize it or not.
So why don’t the IC understand this? Like I said earlier, as a culture we hate addicts, or what they stand for, in very much the same way I think we hate people experiencing homelessness. We convince ourselves it was a series of bad choices that led someone where they are, choices we would never make because we are smart, smarter than them. We believe are more in control than that. We can prevent bad things from happening to us because we are good, because we are better than whoever it’s happening to. But the reality is almost ALL of us are one hospital stay away from homelessness, just as all of us are one trauma away from addiction. And with female addicts, we have another layer of expecting women to only struggle nicely and quietly, or to go away. Intersectional factors are at play here, too: white women are much more likely to have alcoholism attributed to mental health and trauma factors, where people of color often suffer the same addiction being more associated with crime. You can imagine how that plays out differently.
So what is the effect of all this? Gendered expectations lead to not only external stigma around addiction and tx, but also to internalized stigma which can limit willingness to seek tx. (2) Many social forces encourage women to drink and discourage them from telling anyone. Factors such as poverty, family planning, access to education, racial discrimination, and location can make services harder to access. Internally, women are more likely to enter treatment with less confidence in their ability to succeed, but report more strengths and more potential to grow recovery strengths during and following tx. For men, the pattern is reversed (3). And women have more successful tx episodes overall when gendered considerations are a part of the design and implementation of services (4). For Nesta, the effect is that she’s forced into treatment and copes by having hate sex with her ex and changing herself to conform to her family’s expectations while the House and the Valkyrie’s actually take care of her. I do not see how Sarah drew the line from there to recovery, I truly don’t. If anything, she recovers in spite of the ICs intervention, not because of it.
In summary, Nesta Archeron deserved better. Nesta deserved the same compassion the book gives to men who are struggling, and it’s a reflection of not just the book’s culture but the author’s culture that she doesn’t get it. Female alcoholics are worthy of treatment that integrates their identities, as those identities are often essential factors contributing to their addiction. What's shown in ACOSF is a reality many women live, and they shouldn't have to.
Barry Loneck, James A. Garrett & Steven M Banks (1996) The Johnson Intervention and Relapse During Outpatient Treatment, The American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse, 22:3, 363-375, DOI: 10.3109/00952999609001665
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paperlunamoth · 1 year
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The fully sane to fully insane TRA progression:
"I'm a man, but I don't feel comfortable actively conforming to traditionally masculine gender roles."
Nothing wrong with that! Gender is bullshit anyways.
"I'm a man, but I feel more comfortable actively conforming to traditionally feminine gender roles."
Cool. You do you.
"I'm a man, but I have a mental disorder that makes me deeply uncomfortable with being male. In addition to presenting and acting in a traditionally feminine manner, I would like to be recognized socially as a woman and addressed as 'she/her' in order to more easily manage the distress that results from my condition."
Okay. That's fine I guess.
"I'm a woman who was incorrectly identified as male at birth. I am not meaningfully distinct from biological women and therefore am entitled to exist in single sex, female only spaces, and to speak on behalf of women as a group. Women as a class should change the language they use to discuss their bodies and their oppression in order to make me more comfortable even though many of such discussions necessarily do not involve me. Women are to blame if I am the victim of male violence, especially women who are concerned about the issue of male violence. If I don't have access to a lifetime supply of medically unnecessary hormones and receive multiple invasive cosmetic surgeries in order to make my body appear more female, I will become suicidal, but also I am not mentally ill. Calling my condition, which causes me daily psychological distress, a mental illness is hate speech."
Um...
"What even is a woman, anyways? I know I'm a woman, because I identify as a woman, and that's what it means to be female. Gender isn't real and doesn't exist. But also transgender identities are real and valid and trans women are discriminated against because their gender is female. Sex is an arbitrary nonbinary social construct just like gender, also sex has nothing to do with gender. But also I would like my penis to become a vagina in order to alleviate my gender dysphoria. Sex based oppression isn't real, only gender based oppression is, and it is a totally random coincidence that the concept of gender happens to benefit the penis people at the expense of the vagina people 99% of the time. The existence of intersex birth defects demonstrates that humans are not a gonochoric species. No one is born male or female. A clitoris is just a very tiny penis, and a penis is just the outie version of a vagina, and sex organs don't determine whether someone is male or female. I still really want a vagina specifically though because I am female and females have vaginas. Homosexuality has nothing to do with sex and being exclusively same sex attracted is morally wrong. I think minors should be allowed to take cross sex hormones and receive cosmetic surgery but also no one is saying that shut up stop lying. I don't have a mental illness, that would be bad and gross, I'm perfectly normal and dysphoria is perfectly healthy, and you must literally want me to die if you think otherwise, how dare you be so hateful towards mentally ill people. Not giving in to my every demand and actively catering to my desires is literally partipating in genocide. Choke on my cock and die you misogynist!"
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queermania · 11 months
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You can ignore this if you'd like, TW for addictions, but I just saw a post that just mmmm god I can't stand literally CAN NOT STAND when people try and use Sam's addiction as an excuse for his behavior. As someone who IRL has experiences with addiction, it's so fucked up like...the things I have said and done while under the influence are MY OWN ACTIONS and my addiction is not a bloody excuse for my behavior. If I hurt people, I hurt people, and there's no excusing that whatsoever, it's on ME, I can't sit here and go, "but, but, I have an addiction, I'm mentally ill, I can't help it", NO NO EXCUSES if you hurt someone, you can't blame it on something else, sure I'll say it EXPLAINS why you might act that way, but there's no justifying it...and it's so gross to me when I see people try to use Sam's addiction to justify his behavior in s4/s5, or hell get mad at Dean for acting how he did towards Sam's addiction.
Like, addiction to demon blood cannot be an equal allegory to real life addiction, so when people get mad at Dean locking Sam in the panic room because "you shouldn't do that to someone with an addiction", well uhhh irl an addiction isn't gonna turn you super-human almost demon soooo...and yanno sometimes I wish people in my life WOULD just lock me up in a panic room until I'm over it, bc I know I might not stop by myself, but I NEED that tough love. I mean regardless, the addiction plot line was handled so badly, imo...like they wanted to make it an allegory to real life, but couldn't fully commit, so it was just all over the place
yeah, it's um. something for sure. i find it very difficult to have any meaningful conversations about addiction in fandom spaces in general but it's exponentially more difficult when a show is kind of exploring themes of addiction, but not really actually doing it, because it's still a fantasy/horror show. and then on top of that people want to take it as if it's 1:1 to real life (as if every single real world instance of addiction is exactly the same) and it's all just very frustrating.
but yeah i think part of the problem with a lot of fandom excusing away sam's behavior in s4 (and the fallout in s5) is that the show kind of excuses it away by having sam dump it all on dean. and everyone just takes it at face value, which is already dumb because we are shown a very different story than the one sam tells, but it shouldn't matter anyway because sam's choices are still his choices.
anyway, yes, i agree with everything you've said and i'm sorry you have to deal with the frustrations of fandom being shitty about it on top of the actual real life struggles <3
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dead-boy-dont-eat · 1 year
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The reason I KNOW creepy thoughts correlate so strongly with creepy actions is that it was forcibly demonstrated to me time and time again.
IE, a ton of proshippers used their gross pedo fantasies to demonstrate to a very underage me all the particular sexual things they were going to do to me, before proceeding to do them. At this point it's basically just saying 'hey I get off to child abuse, let me show you how!!!'
So yeah. Fuck off with the victim blaming, please and thanks. Eight year olds cannot consent to sex, no matter how sexy you happen to find them!!
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hi, anon.
first, i want to say thank you for trusting me with what happened to you. im incredibly disgusted by the behavior those people showed you. you didn't deserve to be groomed and exploited- no one ever does. i apologize sincerely if i ever said something that implied otherwise. as a csa victim myself, i understand why you feel strongly about this, and im going to take my time to respond to you in good faith. i disagree with you about thoughts and actions. i actually study this sort of thing, and you'd be surprised just how many thoughts we have are completely out of our own control! this is especially so with many psychological disorders like OCD, which are characterized by unwanted, repetitive thoughts that make those with them so uncomfortable that it affects their quality of life. if creepy thoughts had a strong correlation with creepy actions, we would expect to see people with these kinds of mental illnesses be the perpetrators of more crimes- but instead, the opposite is true. i find this really relieving. a really good post about thoughts and morality is here but basically, the bottom line is this: your thoughts will always, always come secondary to your actions. in exposing you to their sexual fantasies, they went beyond thoughts, they went beyond fiction, they went beyond anything pro-shippers (most people, really!!) defend. they groomed and abused you, a very real minor. and that is fucking. evil. the connection lays between their action of grooming and then their act of assaulting; things they had complete control over and yet chose to do anyways. i say "abusers don't abuse as a result of thoughts, which are largely beyond their control, or because of the media that they consume" because in truth, my abusers didn't deserve that kind of leniency, and neither do yours. their actions don't warrant excuses.
i sincerely hope that you are able to make as full of a recovery as possible and find ways to thrive in your life. you deserve so much more than what you were given. -chihiro
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kuri-no-tani · 23 days
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JVC Post #30
Welcome to the NHK
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This was one of the first anime I watched on my own, and at the time I loved it. I thought it was one of the best anime I had seen. Now, after watching it again after so many years, I still think it's pretty good, but not as good as I thought at one point. It's part of a slew of important anime that came out in 2006, which was a huge year in anime. Some other big names from that year are The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya(<3), The Familiar of Zero, Death Note, Aria, and Code Geass. There were also some cool OVAs like the Hellsing Ultimate OVA and Dai Mahou Touge. Though this anime is way too pervy. I think there's a lot this series could have done if it didn't have so much perv humor (even if I get why it was included).
Satou is a pretty well written character as well. He feels like a realistic portrayal of a shut-in NEET. This is a common point that a lot of people bring up when they watch this show.
That being said, Satou is also pretty clearly mentally ill (he doesn't have schizophrenia) which is part of the depiction of hikikomori. It's easy to tell someone that you just have to go out and talk to people or whatever, but it's never that easy for that person. For someone like Satou, something that simple is an insurmountable hurdle. Though, it's not just presenting Satou's issues. It also shows you (and Satou) that everyone struggles in their own way. This is harder to see in the 4 episodes we watched but I think the way this show presents mental illness and the complex situation someone Satou is in is something worth noting.
But all of this is really slapped around by the presentation sometimes. Particularly the way it jumps around after episode 11. The anime is a lot different than the manga or light novel, which are more focused. I feel like this anime would be better if it had stuck to what it was building up in the first half of the show instead of going off on a tangent in the later half. It would have been great as a 13-14 episode anime, even if they did change a lot of it from the light novel/manga. While I love MMORPGs, we didn't need 8 episodes about it in the show.
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Its hard to get everything out of this anime with just a few episodes. Some of the episodes are just stuffed with great moments. Despite a lot of it being gross and weird, not a lot of shows have this sort of presentation of otaku culture to my knowledge so it's neat to see. It makes me cringe and look away but it's neat.
What I think the main point of this series is, is to tell people who identify with Satou that no one can go it alone, and to get them to realize that people like Misaki don't exist. You can't hope that someone is gonna knock on your door and rip you out of what you're going through. You have to put in work to make progress on your own; No one can do it for you. It also uses the NHK (Nihon Hikikomori Kyoukai) as a metaphor for blaming the world around you rather than looking inward. It's easy to imagine that you're part of some conspiracy or are in your situation because somehow everything is out to get you, but that's not (usually) the case.
However, I think the "message" of the show might be kind of murky and not well defined. Even with it's realistic depiction of an otaku shut-in NEET, it doesn't say enough about it or offer anything for Satou in the end other than a bittersweet, unhealthy relationship with Misaki. People who relate heavily to Satou aren't going to come out of NHK with anything but a lasting impression of that realistic depiction and will have nothing to go off of. It's a bit disappointing.
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Lastly I wanna point out a cultural reference I noticed that I hadn't before. Though we didn't watch it, you can see in episode 3 when Yamazaki hands Satou his top 10 gal-games he hands him "Toki-doki Memorian" which is an obvious reference to Tokimeki Memorial (which is a great game you should play it). Pururin is also pretty clearly inspired by Di Gi Charat's Dejiko.
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heystephen · 10 months
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yeah fr. and it's like i'm not even a gaylor i don't care about that shit but it is interesting how there's this acceptability of being as invasive as humanly possible into her life as long as you're not a gaylor? like some of the things ppl speculate about....... genuinely horrifying and so beyond fucked up but it's fine bc they don't think she's gay and it's like ? why is that specifically off-limits like i don't even mean this in a we should speculate about real peoples' sexualities way more of a like it feels like a lot of people frame queerness as dirty or gross or something she needs to be "protected" from ? like that's the line you can speculate about virginity or marriage or pregnancy and that's fine but queerness is where ppl draw the line which is interesting.
idk im wording this badly but as someone who doesn't think she's queer ppl in this fandom - often queer people like u said - are incredibly homophobic and see no problem with it. they blame everything on gaylors as if they also don't have the capacity to be fucking gross w their takes.
swifties will literally speculate on highly personal things like pregnancy loss, cheating, drug use, mental illness and failed engagements in taylor’s life and then be like “but if you even JOKE about taylor’s lyrics being gay, you’re going way too far”
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sunlitmcgee · 1 year
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Sorry to bring up the shit that happened yesterday(he says, discussing a situation in which he was repeatedly sent disgusting anons and was targeted by a weird stalkerish ableist with no hobbies other than being weird about mentally ill people's vent posts), but can I just say that the reason it doesn't bother me as much as I know that it should is because I've become so used to this sort of shit happening in this fandom.
Like. cBenchtrio mains have always gotten some of the weirdest shit thrown at us for a variety of reasons from a variety of parts of the community.
c.dream stannies are the biggest culprits, right before c.emerald fans who got really nasty after doomsday happened, and sadly enough even certain cwilbur fans who, in an attempt to defend against ableism, circle around into infantilizing him to the point of throwing a fit at people who point out Genuine Things He Did Wrong when talking about his character.
It's mostly a combination of cbenchtrio being very young, very traumatized, and oftentimes so in a way that isn't "cool" or "cute" or "badass", which also leads to the community demonizing them to different extents to defend their adult favs and absolve them of fault for the ways they've hurt cbench over the course of the lore.
this translates to fans who relate to their characters being targeted quite often. usually in a fake nice "don't you wanna see the NUANCE of this grown adult being horrid towards a child?" way that's just....really gross....
if i had a nickel for every time i got a victim blaming-filled comment on my fics...............so many nickels..............so many
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m0tel6mxzzy · 1 year
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amy winehouse + oversimplification of addiction
// tw addiction + ed ment //
really kinda grinds my gears when ppl act as if amy winehouse like…could’ve still been alive had she never met blake. i think that’s a gross way to simplify how addiction works.
i do personally believe he is not responsible for her death even if he played a role in enabling her, but what ppl need to realize is…mental illness does not have a magic on/off button that shuts off if u never meet certain people.
both blake and amy struggled with depression, which is why they identified with each other so well. considering they were on and off, there is a huge possibility both of them never really had anyone who understood their depression and despite their issues, that’s always why they came back to each other on and off.
and i do hope blake is well and do not wish him suffering for having gone through addiction and constantly blamed for “causing” amy’s. nor do i wish mitch suffering because he enabled her for the sake of touring—this heavily impacted amy, but at the same time there’s a guarantee w/ the way he and her mother treated her bulimia (which i’m not excusing, but nothing can be done) he had no tools of support to know how to help her as compared to rehab.
amy still had bulimia (which was never intervened by her parents, getting to the point where her entire studio knew she had a problem, and this was around her early to late 20s) for 12+ years before her death.
she never recieved help for that and could have died any moment even without drugs and alcohol present. she already was predisposed to certain mental issues unfortunately that were never properly resolved, and it did not help that the culture in the time period she was raised in was heavily stigmatizing toward depression and nonchalant about eating disorders.
it did not help that she was constantly mocked for her appearance and people based the state of her health on her weight, when amy had health issues that likely wouldn’t be known unless she admitted it since she was a teenager even during her frank era where people say she was “healthier” because she hadn’t yet developed substance abuse.
and i really don’t like defining her as one of the other—she was a person at the end of the day. she is not her health, the causes/factors of death, nor is she whoever ppl scapegoat for her illness instead of the fact: addictions of all kinds are not always success stories. even when someone is recovered or appears to be, amy was still struggling and always had been, but she also had music in her life as an outlet which was incredibly wonderful.
i know ppl would’ve liked some story in which she was better without blake and loved completely free of addiction, but she was still all the more valid as a human being and worthy of basic respect even during her relapses. and the media didn’t give that to her until they could profit off pretending they didn’t make shit worse for her. people simply do not treat those with addiction well (in some cases) unless there is a success story to self gratify themselves with because you haven’t endured it yourself and that person “became” more like you, or a tragedy to learn from. people don’t need to be your lessons. they can just be people.
point blank, at one point in time this talented woman was on this earth, went thru a lot of fucked shit with zero resources, and did the best she could. music was an outlet for her, and that was amazing she found something that made her happy.
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anyway i’m off my soapbox. if you want to know more abt amy, watch the 2015 amy docu. may your memory be a blessing amy. i hope you know there’s ppl, even if it took quite a while, who understand + have compassion for you. <3
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tw: underage nude sharing, underage erotic roleplay, underage sexting, possible victim blaming, discussions of rape and molestation
hi! im seeking support, reassurance, and resources, mostly. but i also just want to get a few things off my chest. ever since i was seven i would engage in erotic roleplay often involving rape and non consensual scenarios with much older guys. i didn't really know what i was doing, i was a very hypersexual child for reasons unknown to me and i didnt have any outlet other than social media. for some reason i was obsessed with the idea of being raped and molested, i feel really ashamed about that still. i felt really gross after doing it but i kept going back anyway. when my parents found out they said it was my fault and that those men couldve gotten in trouble because i lied about my age and tricked them, which i still believe was wrong of me to do. but the violent and angry way my parents reacted really affected me and that whole situation really ruined my relationship with sex and my trust in my parents.
when i was 14 i willingly started sending nude pics of myself to older guys who asked. they knew how old i was and i never lied about that. i stopped after a few weeks because i started feeling physically ill from the shame. my parents never found out about the whole situation but that was around the time when i thought i could tell them about how traumatizing the whole "thing that happened when i was 7" was for me. they git angry and told me i had no right to claim it was csa of any kind and that it was a slap in the face to real victims. it really hurt me and i havent told them anything since.
its been a year since then and recently ive actually started sending those pics of myself again. im really ashamed over it and i dont know why i keep doing it. the guys are all aware of my age, so im not lying now either. i feel weird and embarrassed about it but i dont feel like i can actually call this sexual abuse or grooming because im doing this on my own accord. im scared to tell my friends because i dont want them to look at me differently. i cant tell my parents because i know how angry theyll get. i dont really know what i want. anyway, my ending question is: is this actually sexual abuse if i quite literally asked for it over and over? is there a name for it? im scared i wont ever be able to live a normal life.
thank you so much, sorry for this shitshow lol, and have a nice day ❤️
Hi anon,
I'm so sorry to hear about what you've been going through. Please know that it takes a lot of strength and courage to not only endure these experiences, but to reach out and seek support.
It's worth self-reflecting on what you seek from these interactions, whether that's regaining a sense of control, seeking validation and praise, reenacting earlier trauma, or other reasons. Please know that none of what you experienced is your fault, and it wasn't right of your parents to blame you instead of the people that harmed you. That being said, you deserve to work towards choosing healthier alternatives to interacting with these men.
It's important to recognize that children cannot consent. Even if someone willingly puts themselves in a situation they know may be dangerous, that doesn't make them any less of a victim because either way they are still being abused and still deserve compassion, understanding, and patience. What happened still counts as SA. Experiencing these things as a child counts as CSA, and it happening over the internet qualifies it as NCCSA, or NCSA as an adult. Sending nudes of yourself as a minor counts as CSE, CSEM, and CSAM.
If you can access or afford it, a mental health professional such as a therapist could best help you process your trauma, collaborate with you to develop some healthy coping mechanisms, and guide you along your healing journey.
I hope I could help and please let us know if you need anything.
-Bun
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milkdreams-official · 9 months
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I dont usually write here, but I want to say something more about my strained relationship with my family today. I think when someone tells you they are hurting, you dont have the right to tell them they're making it up. I think when someone says you hurt them, you dont have the right to say "No I didn't", because yes, you did. If they said it, then it's true.
You may not have intended to hurt them, but you did. If you're a good person, you will just apologize for it and try not to do it again, but if youre a bad person like my parents and like my grandmother, you wont even try to change. You'll just deflect the blame, which is a gross, ugly thing to do. It has happened to me my entire life.
I think the most basic part of having a relationship is listening to each other when there's a problem, but I see clearly now my family didnt want a relationship with me. They wanted me to serve and obey them and love them unconditionally regardless of how they treated me. They're all mentally ill and too selfish to ever see any fault in themselves. That's why I will be leaving when I have enough money and never speaking to any of them again.
It feels good that there are people who dont believe children are just there to obey and do work and be punished. There are people who LOVE children like me, people who would do anything to protect them. I'm going out in the world to find more people like that and forget about the people who constantly blamed me for everything when I was growing up. Because time is too precious to waste on people who make you feel bad.
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pinky369 · 2 years
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Like Daniel does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to nobody, was one of the biggest supporters of HC and getting it on air, serves content with the hangout podcasts and serves us with GREAT acting on the show and yet, he’s one of the ones that gets the most hate and you have people within the fandom (apparently black people from certain groups in the fandom) comparing him to literal RODENTS AND ANIMALS and saying all types of nasty and colorist comments towards him and barely ANYONE comes to his defense like wtf is that ? Like you have people saying “it’s FICTIONAL TV” when they were defending Michael today, but those same people are the ones that be doing this over stuff that Daniel’s character did, and this message also goes for Bre Z/Coop and Geffri/Simone as they also face the most hate and a lot of it be colorist hate as well and this whole issue within the fandom is just GROSS, especially for since these are black shows.
And then you have Liv, who from people who preach so much about mental health and act like they care so much about it, are the same people who uses her addiction against and makes such nasty comments about addiction as if that’s not a mental illness itself and do the same towards Layla and use her depression against her so you have people being hypocrites towards the both of them, and then with the DISGUSTING slut shaming of both women but don’t say anything about Jordan and how he’s the biggest whore on the show (and yeah it’s fictional, but you’re still speaking on women and slut shaming them and if you’re doing this towards fictional characters, then you probably do it in real life as well and it’s not right either way) and the misogynistic writing in the show doesn’t help with this issue either like just saying now: “defending” one character from slut shaming by bringing up another character, setting them up to be possibly shamed isn’t the move you think it is and is only adding to the present issue when you should be saying how neither girl should be shamed as a women can do whatever she wants with her own body and encouraging that message and you can do this without bringing up someone else.
With all of this, if I was Daniel, Sam or Greta or tbh anyone from the cast, I wouldn’t want to interact with the fandom either and wouldn’t wanna give out any content and no matter which certain groups of the fandom people wanna blame, it’s literally all sides of the fandom that be making this fandom as toxic as it is and all sides should do and be better.
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schizoidpath · 11 months
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ASPD Symptoms [ ADDitive Magazine ]
ASPD may be diagnosed only after age 18, but the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) stipulates that symptoms must have occurred since age 15, with evidence of conduct disorder (CD) with onset before age 15. At least three of the following symptoms must be apparent to merit an ASPD diagnosis:
Disrespect for laws manifesting in the commission of acts that are grounds for arrest
Deceitfulness
Impulsivity
Irritability and/or aggressiveness, potentially leading to fights or assaults
Disregard for safety of self and others
Irresponsibility, such as failure to meet financial obligations
Lack of remorse, shown by being indifferent to or rationalizing harming others
ASPD: Other Symptoms
Though the DSM-5 symptoms above are used to diagnose ASPD, the following associated features may help clinicians support a diagnosis. These can include:
Arrogance. People with ASPD may consider themselves superior and they may broadcast their strong opinions loudly, widely, and often.
Superficial charm. People with ASPD may use charm and wit to get what they want out of others.
Lack of empathy. Along with arrogance and superficial charm, lack of empathy is considered a hallmark of psychopathy and may be indicative of a poorer prognosis.
Promiscuity. People with ASPD may have difficulty sustaining a monogamous relationship and have multiple sexual partners.
Child neglect. Due to their irresponsibility, people with ASPD may be neglectful parents, which may manifest in ill or malnourished children.
Impulse control disorders (ICDs). ICDs, including oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), intermittent explosive disorder, pyromania, and kleptomania, commonly co-occur with ASPD. Patterns of hostility, aggression, and violence are commonplace.
AsPD Diagnostic Criteria [ DSM-5 ]
1.) A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
Failure to conform to social norms concerning lawful behaviors, such as performing acts that are grounds for arrest.
Deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for pleasure or personal profit.
Impulsivity or failure to plan.
Irritability and aggressiveness, often with physical fights or assaults.
Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others.
Consistent irresponsibility, failure to sustain consistent work behavior, or honor monetary obligations.
Lack of remorse, being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person.
2.) The individual is at least age 18 years.
3.) Evidence of conduct disorder typically with onset before age 15 years.
4.) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.
Dissocial Diagnostic Criteria [ ICD-10 ]
The general criteria of personality disorder (F60) must be met.
At least three of the following must be present:
Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules and obligations.
Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, although having no difficulty to establish them.
Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
Incapacity to experience guilt, or to profit from adverse experience, particularly punishment.
Marked proneness to blame others, or to offer plausible rationalisations for the behaviour bringing the subject into conflict with society.
Persistent irritability and the presence of conduct disorder during childhood and adolescence are not required for the diagnosis.
Overall score for ADDitive Magazine: 3/5
did ok in the first half they obv looked at the dsm but fucked up w the other symptoms bs
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dear-tumby · 1 year
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just got out of a manic episode lol
yeah so im depressed now, no longer depresion haha funnys more like depresion no hahas and im pretty sure im scaring off my boyfriend so yeah, he stopped talking/hanging out with me when i was being honest about my feelings, like i was there when he relasped but i start talking my crazy shit and then suddenly mental illness is off the table??? whatever its not even like i like him or nothing like that. i dont understand why i do this to myself, this is just turning into a rant but ive been holding this down for so long it feels good to scream it out into the void that is tumblr yk? also like i drew on cut marks because it hurts less plus i can just wash that off, yk i do that a lot i put on makeup that made me look like i commeted suicide bc i was sad and suicidle(who would have gussed???) plus i just found this collage i really want to go to but no one belives i can do it and i act like that makes me wanna do it more but really it just shows how much people belive imma be a no body and im so scared im going to be suck here forever like my mom and dad. why does life have to be such a bitch like why do i always gotta screw up everything???? lke i have two boyfriends that care about me yet i want to date this girl thats never gonna love me back?? and when i say love i mean i actually love her so much and i cant talk about it because shell find out that im totally in love with her and shell flip out and distance herself from me and i need her shes my everything and if i don't have her in my life even just as a friend i think i need to switch schools again because that's what i always do, when shit gets rough go and hide because i cant handle all this shit and my parents are finally in a good place (mentally) and im gonna screw it up for them because ill stress them out by ignoring everyone and sleeping through meals and holidays and they'll yell at me because they don't understand and i don't blame them im a mess filled with self pity and gross tindencys so i cant have anyone love me truly because im so gross and i just want the felling of everything to stop, like i want to be so fucking happy that everyone thinks on on drugs, which i was on anti anxiety pills but then i felt nothing so i cut myself bu my dumbass was wearing white pants and my mom found out and yelled at me, and screamed and woke everyone up and my sibling still reminds me about it and every time he does i want to hold him down and beat the shit out of him, like does he even take my mental illness serously, does anyone??? are my parents just pretending to give a shit, at least my mom is, my dad cares for me but he just never says the right things, and i forgive him but i just want nothing to go wrong for once i just want everyone to stop. stop talking to me, stop trying to help but also ignoring my despreat cries for help doesn't make me feel any better and also i don't want to be lied toi want the truth even if it would hurt me yk? i don't know what i want, but i know it'd make me feel safe and happy and no long like everyone's trying to get me, i just want to have someone who'd look at all different sides of me and go "wow their awesome, and sure they do stuff i disagree with but there a good person who's gonna make it big and ill stand with them through thick and thin and its okay they have issues we all do and love every flaw" like im sure my boyfriend would say this but i don't want him to say it i want it shown i want to see and trust i can tell them anything and they'd stick around.
tldr: i was origanally posting this so everyone would know i didnt commet suicide but then it turned into a rant so, yah sorry, uh i read a really good south park fanfic so thats something good that happened, though it reminded me alot of me and me is my enemy rn so i was really angry but in a healthy good way, also thought my dad died but thats justsum good ol paranoia also sorry for all the typos, did ths on my computer at like 11:55 so im kinda half asleep
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Control Z: the Final Episode™
-Well folks, it’s been a hell of a journey. Thank you to the two people who enjoy hearing me ramble about this show.
-How did it take everyone so long to realize that the art had a QR code?
-Not the point, but Samantha Acuña (Alex) is beautiful. I wish more gay women watched this show. Maybe we’d have an army of Alex apologists instead of Raúl apologists, I’m sorry, I’ll stop mentioning Raúl. Or maybe gay women do watch this show and I’m just weird or something. Wouldn’t be the first time.
-The third or so post down on the forum (because yes, I paused to read the messages) says “Jails are full of people who don’t have money” which...yes, but we do not have time to unpack that here. Because I don’t think this show is the one to tackle classism and the prison-industrial complex through the lens of a trashy teen drama.
-Honestly? So many of these actors are good. Alex, Gerry, Sofía, Javier, Natalia, Isa (moment of silence for the best character to ever grace the show). I hope they get really good work after this; they deserve it.
-”You’re pathetic as a liar” less than a year after he (nearly successfully) lied to her about fucking up the lives of her and her friends and tried to pin the blame on Javier. How is this the Official Ship™ again??
-...Would you look at that. Raúl....APOLOGIZED????!!!!!!!! AND ADMITTED THAT EVERYTHING IS IN SOME WAY HIS FAULT!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!!!??!!!!!!
-Like, this is the barest of bare minimum but. WOW FINALLY IT’S ABOUT FUCKING TIME
-IF WE HAD GOTTEN THIS IN LIKE. IDK. SEASON 1, MAYBE THE SHOW WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT I GUESS WE’LL NEVER KNOW.
-NO DON’T TELL ME SOFÍA REJECTS HIS DESIRE TO APOLOGIZE AND THEN JOKES THAT IT’S HER FAULT BECAUSE HE DID IT TO GET CLOSE TO HER. NO. NONONONONONONONONONO. I HATE IT HERE I HATE IT HERE I. HATE. IT. HERE.
-*sigh* Okay, I know everyone’s tired of me hating on this ship, but NO TRAUMATIZED MENTALLY ILL PERSON WOULD ACT LIKE THIS. “Easy things are not worth it” sorry, literally every mentally ill person I’ve ever meant would love for ONE THING in their life to be easy. If there’s an aversion to things that come easily, it’s in the sense of “this seems too good to be true” or “I don’t deserve it.” NO. MENTALLY ILL. PERSON. Would earnestly, uncomplicatedly see prolonged struggle (interpersonal-relationship or otherwise) as an intrinsically good thing. PLEASE TALK TO A MENTALLY ILL PERSON IF YOU’RE GOING TO WRITE ONE IN YOUR STORY.
-Like, honestly, I don’t think I would hate this ship so much if Sofía was not written to be mentally ill. If she were a neurotypical character, it would just be another run-of-the-mill poorly-written m/f romance with a shitty guy, but there’s that dimension there that makes this relationship just...particularly gross. And for those people who have said that Sofía’s mental illness makes her inherently “just as crazy as Raúl is” and that “she’s never going to want to be/is not capable of being in a ‘normal’ or healthy relationship” .....know that I see your ableism and also I hate you. You owe me and every neurodivergent person $100. Just admit you like a “problematic” ship instead of trying to moralize it. It’s fine. You won’t explode.
-And it’s so weird because, despite being a queer girl who wants more non-violent queer characters and has MANY issues with the “closeted bully” archetype, I’ve come to the conclusion that character-arc-wise I do like Gerry. He did the soul-searching, he felt the guilt, he made consistent efforts to curtail his bad behavior, and he took explicit responsibility for what he did. I can tell that he is doing his best to honor Luis’s memory. And even when he was faced with a situation where being outed would put him in danger, he made a different decision. He didn’t go after Bernardo; he went about his life and dedicated himself to moving on. As much as I HATE what Gerry did (and believe me, I hate it a lot), I do genuinely believe he wants to be better, and that he will continue putting in the effort to do so. He’s atoning for his wrongs, rather than just...whatever the fuck the writers are doing with Raúl.
-It’s...the writers and characters seem to understand the seriousness of what Gerry and Natalia and Javier and Alex have done. They punish the characters for it. Their actions have long-term consequences. WHY IS RAÚL THE EXCEPTION TO THIS. I’M SORRY I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
-It’s so important to me that Javier is the one who believes Gerry that something is up.
-It’s also important to me that Natalia, while a much better person, is still kind of a bitch (affectionate) sometimes.
-Tbh, I appreciate the fact that people don’t trust Sofía due to her continued association with Raúl. I hate that there’s ableism wrapped up in there, which. Again. They should have just...made Sofía a neurotypical person who’s a loner.......
-Okay, Quintanilla turning to Rosita to stall for Sofía’s speech is hilarious.
-”Javier, don’t you care about your cars?” “...They’re my dad’s.” This show is a comedy.
-Ohhh, so the plan is that Susana’s husband will see the video about what happened and attack the kids in retribution. That’s...that’s a lot.
-I’m not sure if the car ride and subsequent rescue attempt were supposed to be funny, but they sure were, lmao.
-(Also: this is the first episode where I felt like all the characters actually acted like teenagers? Their plans were mostly improvised, there was an authentic immaturity to the dialogue, the excuses were half baked, most of them went with the most easily-available solution rather than perhaps the most logical one, I wish we’d had more of this over the course of the show because I really like this.)
-NATALIA WHACKING A GUY OVER THE HEAD TO DEFEND HER BOYFRIEND FROM DEADLY PHYSICAL VIOLENCE THAT’S MY DAUGHTER GOOD FOR HER
-Also, that happening while Javier’s dad was giving a speech about “not letting anything get in the way of you and your dreams.” Like...is the implication that Javier’s and Natalia’s “dream” is being with each other? Because that’s kind of stupid but also. Awwww.
-Just following a Head Person, huh? IS IT MARÍA. IS IT HER. THAT’S BEEN MY CRACK THEORY THE WHOLE TIME BECAUSE NO BODY MEANS SHE’S NOT DEAD RIGHT. SHE GOT DRAGGED DOWN BY GUILT AND GRIEF AND DID ALL THIS RIGHT. SHE’S NOT DEAD RIGHT. RIGHT.
-...Oh, it was just Bruno lying about not having control over the group the whole time. That’s disappointing.
-Sofía talking about love while a scene of Javier and Natalia is happening, I Am Not Immune To Teen Drama Romance.
-OOH, THAT SHOT OF SUSANA’S BLOOD TURNING INTO THE BEACH WHERE MARÍA WAS, THAT WAS GOOD CAMERA WORK
-I...wait. Is...Is the show going to end with them all going to law enforcement and turning themselves in for Susana’s death???
-That’s...that’s a bold move. (Complimentary.) Like. I feel so many shows just...have this idea that “Oh, even though the protagonist(s) did this horrible thing, it’s not actually horrible because it was done by the protagonist(s).” These kids fucked up. I love (most of) them, but they fucked up. And they need to be held accountable for fucking up. I...genuinely cannot believe the narrative is acknowledging that.
-Sofía straight up told the truth DURING HER GRADUATION SPEECH, honestly, good for you show. I support that writing decision.
-And Natalia reaching for Alex’s hand, to signify that she’s part of the team again, FINALLY SOME SYMPATHY FOR MY GIRL.
-JAVIER’S DAD IN JAIL JAVIER’S DAD IN JAIL JAVIER’S DAD IN JAIL OH, LIFE IS GOOD
-So did they all have a few months of community service? Because they were all minors at the time and it was an accident and we don’t actually know who was responsible to what degree? I don’t know enough about law to say for sure, but that sounds fairly realistic? And I think the point is to show that however terrible you think facing up to your own misdeeds is, it will never be as bad as you think it will. Because even if you avoid punishment, the worst-case scenario is avoiding your mistakes and not allowing yourself to grow because they take over you. Which, again, is kind of an uncommon message for shows like this, so genuine kudos them for that.
-Aww, Sofía and Javier are still friends!! I’m glad to see it. Their relationship was an integral part of the show, and although I agree they shouldn’t be together romantically, it would have been a shame for that to drop off completely.
-(EDIT: I realized that Sofía never says she loves Raúl onscreen, or vice versa. Gerry never expresses a statement romantic love, Luis is mentioned as being in love with Gerry, but never actually says it, and Javier and Natalia, though a scene of them plays while Sofía is talking about love, they never actually say it. (I know Natalia says “Te quiero,” which the subtitles translate as “I love you” but it has a different meaning than “Te amo,” which is more in line with what the English equivalent of a declaration of romantic love is.) I can’t remember if Alex ever says she loves Gaby, and I don’t care enough to go back and look. Claudia says she and her theatre teacher are “in love,” but she never tells him that she loves him. The only direct, face-to-face declarations of love we get are platonic: Darío and Ernesto at the beginning of season 2, and Sofía and Javier-who have settled into a completely platonic relationship-at the end of the show. Friendships are the only love between the teens that get expressed specifically, and I think that’s neat.)
-JOURNALIST SOFÍA!!!!
-WAIT WAS IT ACTUALLY RAÚL THE WHOLE TIME LIKE I SAID EARLIER I PROMISE I WILL GIVE THIS SHOW ALL MY MONEY IF IT IS
-.......dang it. Why can’t I have nice things. *sigh* I hate it here. Would have been a much better ending if Javier’s conclusion was actually right and Sofía was like “wtf Raúl, die in a ditch.”
-I do appreciate platonic declarations of love, though. And obviously Natalia and Raúl (wow, his one redeeming quality) aren’t jealous of Sofía and Javier getting coffee to catch up.
-*a million disgruntled sighs* Sofía/Raúl endgame -_- Which, yeah, I expected, but I’m still mad. I just...I don’t get this relationship. If she doesn’t care what he did, then why did she expose him in season 1 in the first place? Either she thinks his behavior is despicable or she doesn’t.
-So I guess María really is dead. :/ That’s horrible, actually. If you wanted an ACTUAL corruption arc involving a depressed girl, the potential for one was RIGHT THERE. But alas.
-Maybe I should just write my own teen drama show, lmao.
-Tbh, though. I am glad that this season was mainly about all the shit the main cast has pulled coming back to haunt them, and for the main conflict arising from the fact that they never actually got held accountable due to Main Character Syndrome. Although I do think Raúl still suffers from Too Easily Forgiven Because Conventionally Attractive Pale-Skinned Bad Boy Archetype.
-I like the ending song. Going to add it to a playlist. I did that more than once this season, whoever was in charge of the season 3 soundtrack popped off.
-All in all: Season 1 was the show at it’s best, but season 3 was pretty great, too. Season 2 was in many ways trash aside from giving me Javier/Natalia. Team Javier/Natalia. Team Raúl/death. Gerry grew on me, so good for him. María being Dead For Real is bullshit, actually. I’m not going to say I recommend this show, exactly, but I sure as hell do enjoy it.
-I guess I have to find something else to liveblog about for my Brand™, now. I can’t believe it’s over! Don’t forget to drink your daily dose of Hating Raúl Juice! If I leave one legacy during my life, let it be that. :)
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the-firebird69 · 7 months
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These are notes they're not sons handwriting they're trying to get him in trouble for saying stuff about you and for bothering you harassing you and saying all sorts of stuff about him you're a bunch of liars and conniving sense of itches and evil people to him and thieves and you're sitting on his money and he's poor you have one social security and you're holding is a hostage and you have more or less kidnapped him to this crappy area and you're laughing about how you're planning his friend BG it was really just one of you you're doing despicable things here to him ruining his day ruining his night and we hate you and he's running things cuz he's a rebel sort of no he's against Max and they know it and your facilitating him and you're having him do stuff to make him hate you and you're saying that he's to blame for everything and you're going against him constantly you're threatening his life constantly and threatening his wife and us and all of humanity now you're doomsday professionals and you profess to be and now the international community has caught up with you he's been doing things like this and give you a heads up you start to s*** all over him and you said that he's saying this and he's saying that he's not really and he is dictating what he's hearing and he is saying that he thinks this is real and the international community is written this up and she get out of his face and go talk to everybody else on Earth and not bother him and that's why he's doing it or his wife for us and for real they planned this recently based on your behavior and your poor attitude and you're disgusting things are doing to people they went out of this you are a lousy military people lousy spies you're not even scratching the clones when you go down there you're just dying and wasting time which is what time f wants and he's a more like too but the point is he's taking a picture and posting it because he doesn't want to waste time rewriting it and it takes a lot of energy and his phone runs down and you're trying to run his phone down and you're trying to run his bank account down and he doesn't have any money by comparison at all and you're a bunch of losers I'm going to feed you to the sharks and other tonight we're going to get rid of you you're a bunch of assholes a lot of people say if you feed your bodies to the sharks the crabs will be attracted that's one way to get rid of you and we can control it and we hope you do and he's helping you get rid of each other so you can each have more money for a Time and die and hand it over eventually he'll get something to survive with only and that's what he's trying to do and you gutless pigs are on them and you're not going to be his friend at all and it's already written by you millions of times and you don't have that much anymore you hardly have any spaceships you don't have any defenses on your islands and you keep running there and you're a bunch of pukes you deserve what's going to happen and he wrote it down we wanted to and he wanted to let you know what the reward is for behavior and Trump is getting his right away and he's not going to be allowed to run for president and everyone says it and they're knocking him down everyday eventually you will be gone permanently and you'll be a nasty chapter in everyone's memory as to what mental illness and trauma and retarded people are like you're gross your goons your your monsters gangsters Petty thieves and that's it it doesn't work with what they're doing that's what they're saying and they're right they're getting beaten to death because of you idiots and you're getting beaten to death and it's their decision to do this we're going to post it so you can see it right in your face and all of you can seek the document out
Thor Freya
Hera did not sign it and we were not allowed to and did not sign it
Olympus
True too we did not sign it they have an angle and I said the first part Hera
Zues Hera
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