#new 52 batgirl

[warrioroftruthh]

my actual child ohmygod i missed you 🥰🥰🥰

#charlie gage-radcliffe #charlotte gage-radcliffe #misfit #batgirl 2011 #new 52 #new 52 batgirl

[inky-snowdrop]

My Endless List of Disaster Bisexual Crushes... 😶‍🌫️

-> Day 67 of ? || James Gordon Jr.

From The New 52 Batgirl Comics

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#dc comics #new 52 batgirl #new 52 comics #james gordon jr #dc comics aesthetic #dc comics moodboard #new 52 batgirl aesthetic #new 52 batgirl moodboard #new 52 comics aesthetic #new 52 comics moodboard #james gordon jr aesthetic #james gordon jr moodboard #aesthetic #moodboard #my endless list of disaster bisexual crushes 😶‍🌫️

[dailydccomics]

bababababa BATGIRLS Batman & Robin Eternal #26

#cassandra cain #harper row #stephanie brown #dc comics #batfam #cullen row #new 52 #dc #batgirl #orphan #spoiler #bluebird #black bat #comics #batman & robin eternal

[tastycitrus]

David Cain: This is my daughter, who I spent years raising under meticulously abusive circumstances in order to make her the perfect assassin.

Barbara Gordon and Bruce Wayne:

#batgirl #bruce wayne #barbara gordon #cassandra cain #david cain #is there even a point in tagging mr. david cain like is there ANYONE who actually looks for david cain stuff #anyway i know this meme is old but i thought of it and it made me laugh so here you go #actually what i thought of first was this between bruce and babs except it goes both ways #pre-flashpoint it's bruce going “OUR protege” at babs while new 52 it's babs going “OUR protege” at bruce #i was going to say child/daughter but that just makes me think of batman the animated series and its questionable choices and uh. no thanks

[armed-with-a-waffle-iron]

Steph: Tim tried to what?

Damian: I know. The NERVE of that little man. The utter gall! It clearly speaks to his pitiful self-worth and tiny-

Steph: But what did he say?

Damian: Drake tried to insinuate that YOU used to have romantic relations with HIM!!

Steph: *eyes go wide*

Damian: Don’t worry, Stephanie, I’d never fall for such a preposterous tale. You? Involved with that pasty, half-witted wet dog? If it’s any consolation, this lousy fabrication only exists to boost his ever-poor stature amongst the men in my family.

Steph: *turns to her side and buries her face in her hands to stifle laughter*

Damian: I’m...sorry, Stephanie. *reaches out to put a hand on her shoulder but then retracts it at the last second and looks away* It must be so incredibly maddening— unsettling even; to be on the receiving end of such a vile rumor mill. I was disappointed that even Richard didn’t care to rebuke this heinous lie. MEN. Men, I say— their crude wickedness never ceases, their fragile egos never satiated, their—

Steph: *spins around and slaps both hands onto his shoulders* Thank you for telling me, Damian. You’re a trusty frie— um, comrade.

Damian: Naturally.

Steph (dramatically): Excuse me if I speak too much out of anger *Damian shakes head* but it seems like such a crime against…um…women warrants some citizens’ justice.

Damian: What are vigilantes for? *nodding very seriously* I have already sabotaged his grappling—

Steph: Red Robin isn’t our target, Damian— Tim Wayne is! You see, I have a friend with a few connections to the Daily Planet and I’m sure they’d LOVE to hear from a trusty, anonymous, inside source about...*gestures for Damian to finish*

Damian: ...About Drake’s comical death during a company-paid skiing retreat that he sanctioned.

Steph: *winks* ‘Atta boy.

#bad cop worse cop #gotham quakes at their chaos #stephanie brown #damian wayne #the siblings ever #batgirl #robin #robins #batman #batman and robin #bat family #dc comics #batfam #comics #fanfic #tim drake #pre new 52 ofc

[roseworth]

Wait ok I'm not knowledgeable on anything Wilson family. Slade drugs Rose???

yeah <///3 before tt03 they had met like once ever (and it went poorly) so to get rose on his side slade injected her with a super soldier serum

in #0.5 he kidnaps her after buying a hit on her (many such cases) and goes "cmon rose we can be a family lets be a family <3333" and she agrees (because shes angry and slade is the one handing her a weapon to kill the man that killed her mother)

then theyre on the same side for a while! the first time we hear about the serum (and iirc only time its specifically mentioned while shes being drugged) is in #12 (BART 🥺)

we also see some flashbacks in fresh hell of slade giving her the serum too

anyways then she joins the team and everything is alright (lie). this is the first confirmation that she was being drugged, plus also showing that shes staying on the team just bc shes afraid slade will get her again :(

in any story that takes place from 2003-2006 that includes rose & slade (bg #63-64, nightwing #112-115, etc), rose is being drugged :(

basically the writers needed an explanation for why she would choose to work with slade and wanted an excuse for why she would be able to join the titans later on and honestly? rare johns banger. this plotline fucks to me. completely defines rose's relationship with slade and gives her a concrete reason to hate him but also have very complicated feelings about her place in his life ouuughhhh

but in conclusion slade sucks so heres some panels of rose beating him up

#i hadn't really thought about it before making this post but its kinda surprising how little the serum gets brought up #i think because its one of the worst things slade has ever done so ppl ignore it to say 'slade is so misunderstood 🥺' #but like. it probably gets brought up less than 5 times in all of tt03 (INCLUDING fresh hell) #and its pretty much never brought up outside of tt03 #even when a book mentions her stabbing her eye out they rarely bring up the fact that she was being drugged when it happened #i dont even think batgirl 2008 said anything about her being drugged? #obv they say that it happened to cass but i dont think it says anything about rose too #and then ofc it hasnt been canon since the new 52. scott lobdell start running #(<- probably not actually his fault but im still blaming him)

[professoruber]

Flamebird Analysis: The odd treatment of Bette Kane and her history/experience

Batwoman (2011-2016) #1

Okay so first of all, Kate; rude much?

Second of all... was Flamebird's costume really that impractical? Especaially when compared to Kate's costume.

While admittedly Flamebird's original costume was not exactly the height of practicality...

(Although she still seemed quite capable of holding her own in it)

Beast Boy (2000) #2

However she later does in fact get a more practical outfit which she also kickass ass in.

Beast Boy (2000) #4

And we do know that its Flamebird's second (more practical-looking costume) which Kate burns, as Bette ends up suiting up in her aforementioned spare after Kate fires her...

Batwoman (2011-2016) #3

While I am admittedly not an expert on combat outfits; Flamebird's second costume to me seems like it walks a good line between aesthetic and practicality. It has plenty of flair and style to it, but also appears quite flexible and overall not really too drastically different from Kate's Batwoman costume in this regard (rather hypocritical of Kate to say "you need a uniform" while she wears a long wig for no apparent reason apart from style).

If anything...

The "uniform" which Kate gives Bette kinda strikes me as being less practical for the situation compared to the Flamebird costume which she burned. Like Bette's mask seems to be just a piece of fabric tied around her face, which certainly feels like it should be looser and not be as sleek and flexible as the Flamebird costume.

Building off this, from what I've seen and looked over so far, the treatment of Bette kinda feels like it has a weird... juxtaposition at times between what's getting told and what's being shown, I guess.

Like on one hand...

It's shown by both Bette's comments here and the existence of her old Flamebird costumes that she has been experience vigilante for sometime. Longer than Kate I think, if I'm understanding the timeline all correctly.

There seems to be this odd case of both having Kate and the narrative treat Bette as an inexperienced rookie... while also having Bette and the narrative establish Bette as having been a Teen Titan, who has fought Deathstroke and presumably has years of experience.

Even Kate's codename for Bette indicates a rookie status...

However despite the references to Bette's past career and capabilities, and Bette's protests of being more capable than Kate gives her credit for, and Kate also immediately feeling quite shitty at how harsh she was when firing Bette...

The narrative still, from what I understand, kinda vindicates Kate entirely by having Bette get brutalised to the point of falling into a coma immediately after she defies Kate by heading out as Flamebird after getting fired... so I guess Kate was right? I don't know.

Like I said, I just find all of this quite of a weird portrayal. I've been curious about Bette lately on account of her being the original Batgirl (or rather, Bat-Girl), which is a very iconic mantle to the general "Bat-Mythos" even if Bette herself is far less remembered.

I guess one thing I find especially strange is how this is from the first issues of Batwoman 2011... meaning that this was right at the start of the whole New 52 Reboot stuff and so they could've presumably just retconned Bette's experience to make her an actual rookie sidekick instead of this weird half-measure where they both establish her past experience as canon while also otherwise ignoring it.

There's other stuff which I could go over; such as Bette's coma, her stint as Hawkfire, her enrolling in West Point... all of which probably has room for more detailed specific analysis by someone more familiar with both Bette and also the Batwoman comics (I've only fairly recently started looking into this stuff out of curiosity as I work my way through learning more comic history).

So I'll skip to a more recent appearance by Bette in 2017...

Detective Comics (1937—Present) #967

This whole exchange feels once again like Kate ignoring Bette's history, experience and capabilities. Especially the whole "pass second year in the top 99th percentile of your class and maybe I'll put in a good word with you to Batman" thing. No one else needed be top of their class at West Point, or attend West Point at all, to be a superhero. And it just seems strange to have Bette getting forced down that specific road.

Like; going by publication history, Bette was considered part of the original Teen Titans team due to debuting in the 1960s-1970s period. In fact she joined the team before the likes of Beast Boy, Raven, Starfire and Cyborg (at least in terms of publication anyway).

While I'm not entirely certain how her current age placement in the roster, they did still at least establish her as being a Teen Titan who fought Deathstroke and so presumably in the same generation as Nightwing (even if possibly a bit younger) and other core members. The from what I understand the Titans are currently considered senior and experienced enough to be the current "top team" of the hero scene in canon.

So all together this adds up to, as I keep saying, a strange contrast between Bette's stated/implied history and how she gets treated by the narrative.

DC's Legion of Bloom (2023) #1

Last year Bette did make a return as Flamebird (not Hawkfire). Which could mean one of two things...

Kate finally acknowledged Bette as ready/worthy/experienced enough to go out on her own

Bette went screw it and decided she didn't need Bette's permission

Honestly kinda hopping the later cause it brings to mind a bit of the Beast Boy comic which I quite liked...

Beast Boy (2000) #3

Better gets a very stern reprimand from Nightwing (some she admires), and is told she's not cut out for this world and quits. This comes after she's spent most of her appearance in this run being kinda a comedic relief in the form of her repeated failures to bail Beast Boy outta jail (since she's never posted bail before and didn't know how)

But after this..?

Beast Boy (2000) #4

She comes back, with a new (more practical-looking, as I discussed before) costume and beats up several bad guys to help out Gar (who in turn really appreciates her arrival and assistance).

Batwoman (2011) #3

Making this post I've noticed an interesting similarity and contrast between Beast Boy and Batwoman comics in regards to Bette. Both times, Bette gets very sternly reprimanded and told she's not cut out to be a hero and ordered not to be one by someone she admires/values the opinion of.

Both times she defies them and goes out anyway, putting on the same costume both times in fact.

But while the Beast Boy comic portrays her as competent and capable, even having her involvement appreciated by Gar...

Meanwhile in Batwoman?

Batwoman (2011-2016) #4

Bette's defiance almost immediately ends with her horribly injured, and in turn accidentally helps the DEO work out Batwoman's identity.

Two events regarding the same character which that character reacts to in a similar manner but one ends with her vindicated and the other... very much not.

DC's Legion of Bloom (2023) #1

Moving back to Bette's recent appearance in DC's Legion of Bloom. West Point is 4-years in total, and when we last saw Bette she was on her second year at the latest. So with the nature of comic book time, I find it unlikely she'd already graduated.

Her return to Flamebird could also have something to do with Infinite Frontier (I don't fully understand how it works, but apparently everything's canon now again sort of?) re-canonising Bette's competence? That sounds like kinda an amusing thought tbh; multiverse shenanigans happen and Bette wakes up one morning feeling suddenly competent again. Good for her.

Anyway I hope this is a good sign for Bette's character. Even if she's unlikely to be a major player, would still be nice for her appearance to at least depict her as capable. Plus as I said, comic book time means if she does actually stick to West Point, then she'd unlikely to be graduating (and get allowed to be a vigilante) anytime soon. So at that point you might as well just let her go be rich and play tennis since its not like that's a route to her actually doing anything.

Bette seems pretty neat from what I've seen of her, so I wish her the best. Even if Legion of Bloom continues the running joke of her trying and failing to recreate Titans West.

#professoruber thoughts #bette kane #mary elizabeth kane #kate kane #katherine kane #batwoman #batwoman 2011 #dc's legion of bloom #hawk and dove #detective comics #beast boy #beast boy 2000 #gar logan #nightwing #dick grayson #hawkfire #flamebird #batgirl #bat-girl #plebe #bumblebee #dc's infinite frontier #new 52 #comic criticism #comic analysis #teen titans #titans west #comic essay #tw: blood

[ultrameganicolaokay]

Batgirl #1 ‘Shattered’ (2011) by Gail Simone, Ardian Syaf, Vicente Cifuentes and Ulises Arreola. Edited by Bobbie Chase and Katie Kubert. Cover by Adam Hughes.

#batgirl #barbara gordon #babs gordon #dc comics #gail simone #ardian syaf #vicente cifuentes #ulises arreola #bobbie chase #katie kubert #adam hughes #new 52 #the new 52 #comics

[goodoldfashionedengineer]

A lot of posts and fics in which the Joker faces justice focus on how it affects Jason.

What I'd like to see is how it affects Barbara.

Don't forget that the Joker changed her life forever too.

#technically Duke too but I didn't read much New-52 #dc #dc comics #batman #batman comics #oracle #barbara gordon #batgirl #batwoman #joker #the joker

[eggplantwaffles]

I know people want Jason and Steph to be friends, which I understand. They are very similar and would cause amazing amounts of chaos. But I think nobody is considering the possibility for drama here.

I think the similarities in their stories are just as compelling as the differences. Here’s some juxtaposition (I think I’m using that word correctly) for you:

They both had abusive, criminal fathers and addict mothers. But Jason grew up in Crime Alley and ended up on the street stealing to survive, before Bruce took him in. Steph was (lower?) middle class and lived in a suburb of Gotham. Jason was set up for failure by his economic status and where he lived, Steph was failed by the people around her (Arthur and Crystal).

Jason gets taken in by Bruce, going from living on the street to living in a mansion. Bruce loved him and he was Bruce’s son. Jason became Robin largely for fun. Steph was never “saved” from her situation, and she had a crappy up and down relationship with Bruce, which was partly a result of what happened to Jason. She became a vigilante all in her own, to save herself.

The only precedent to Jason’s Robin was Dick, who obviously grew to be a very successful solo hero, so there was a lot of pressure on Jason to live up to the original. Steph had three Robins come before her, but instead of being compared to Dick, like all the other Robins, she was compared to Tim and Jason. Bruce always saw her as a stand in until Tim came back and she could never get past that, but he also saw a lot of Jason in her which is (partly) why he never wanted her to be a vigilante (until she was useful to him).

They die in very similar ways but there are still some key differences, when Jason died he was actively trying to save his moms life. He objectively died heroically, but what gets remembered was his impulsiveness and this idea that he got himself killed. Steph died trying to fix a mistake she made. She accidentally started a gang war and got people killed (it wasn’t entirely her fault, a lot of it was because Bruce never really trusted her and treated her unfairly). When Jason died Bruce was actively trying to save him, but he never even knew Steph was gone. Steph escaped on her own and ran into Bruce on her way to Leslie’s clinic.

When Jason come back to life, he spends the time before returning to Gotham with the League of Assassins (not the best influences tbh). He expected Bruce to avenge him, but he never did. Jason was pissed off that his father let the man who killed him live. Steph (who spent her time after dying around better influences, like doctors) never expected Bruce to avenge her, she had many reasons not to expect this: Bruce was not her dad, they didn’t have a very positive relationship, and she started a whole gang war before she died.

When Jason come back as Redhood he is a villain, he goes on a crime and killing spree, becoming a major crime lord in Gotham. When Steph comes back she just goes back to being Spoiler, while Jason was angry at Bruce for not avenging him, Steph was just trying to make up for her own mistakes. Steph earns herself a second chance and becomes Batgirl, which she works hard for and genuinely succeeds at.

And I know that was a lot of information and (subjective) analysis but I thought it was important. So here’s where the drama comes in, I think that Steph intentionally avoids Jason for a long time because she used to get compared to him. She never knew him as Robin, all she knows is she was told she was too much like him and was gonna get herself killed, and then exactly that happened. And now he kills people, so what does that say about her?

Jason, on the other hand, doesn’t know Steph. What he does know is that another Robin died and came back, but this one came back better. When Jason died he was saving his Mom, when Steph died she got other people killed. But she gets to come back and be Batgirl? He’s upset that (from what he can tell) her death doesn’t affect her, she’s bright and optimistic, while his death haunts him.

Add on to all this the fact that Jason has a memorial in the bat cave and Steph doesn’t. Steph knows that despite all that Jason has done, Bruce and the other bats would still welcome him back into the family, but if she did what he did Bruce would take Batgirl from her and she’d be completely on her own.

So anyway, I imagine them eventually getting in a huge argument about something random and it boiling over into some minor violence before the other bats break it up. They act like children and are pretty nasty to each other and every other bat can tell it’s not really about each other but about how the other bats (specifically Bruce) have treated them.

Eventually Steph and Jason figure it out and find out they actually get along and have a lot of common interest (reading, making fun of Bruce and Tim, kicking weirdos in the crotch) but before that happens they don’t like each other and the other bats all feel really guilty about it, because what are comic books if not vessels for pain?

#stephanie brown #jason todd #dead robins #robin #batgirl #the spoiler #bruce wayne #batman #red hood #batfam angst #dc comics #batfamily #bat family #new earth #pre new 52

[cgbcomics]

#batwing #david zavimbe #batman #nightwing #batgirl #robin #dc comics #new 52 #10s comics

[stealingpotatoes]

Do you take some inspiration from Ligne Claire for ur art?

i'd actually never heard of that before today lol!! but looking it up, yeah i guess i must've without knowing it? i'd probably say my biggest inspirations for my comic style are the batgirl of burnside comics specifically and (this might sound stupid) lego games n tv LOL

#watching too much ninjago as a kid is so directly responsible for how i draw faces/expressions LMAO #i think i used to reread batgirl of burnside like. weekly when i first started drawing. changed my life #to the point i was basically studying it bc i rlly wanted to make comics and then i just Did Not Do That til i was like 17 #didnt know comics could be pretty before and then after that i was spoiled and refused to read any comic unless i liked the art style #i fully stopped reading flash's new 52 run when francis manpul stopped drawing it cause i didnt like the new one LOL #anyway that was a tangent #thanks for the ask!

[dailydccomics]

this is how Midnighter does it Batman & Robin Eternal #24-25

#midnighter #jason todd #dc comics #new 52 #red hood #batfam #batman #dc #cullen row #damian wayne #stephanie brown #batgirl #robin #spoiler #comics #batman & robin eternal

[tastycitrus]

Barbara: Steph and Cass have been queerbaiting for nearly twenty slutty, slutty years... Steph and Cass, hearing this over comms: Steph: Oracle, what is that supposed to mean? Cass: What are you talking about? Steph: What the HELL is that supposed to mean??

#batgirl #batgirls #barbara gordon #stephanie brown #cassandra cain #stephcass #yeah i dunno #the slutty slutty years meme will never get old for me #can we still consider the years they were retconned from continuity as years they've been queerbaiting? #me: i mean retroactively speaking convergence batgirl revealed that they'd been living together since new 52 destroyed the continuity #so if we view it from an in-universe perspective pre-flashpoint stephcass never stopped queerbaiting

[armed-with-a-waffle-iron]

Art: Stephanie Brown's Looks Over the Years

Talk about character development.

#“it's eggplant; purple would've looked stupid” #stephanie fucking brown #batgirl #the spoiler #robin #stephanie brown #steph brown #batman #batman and robin #bat family #comics #dc comics #batfam #legacy heroes #my art #art #comic art #pre new 52 ofc

[calciumcryptid]

You know maybe I wouldn't hate DickBabs if it was written by Gail Simone. Maybe I wouldn't hate DickBabs if it was written from Barbara's perspective. Maybe I wouldn't hate DickBabs if it was written from Barbara's perspective and was written by a lady writer.

#sorry i am reading through the gail simone new 52 batgirl run and having a lot of thoughts #maybe i wouldn't hate dickbabs if it was written by anyone else but tom taylor #anti dickbabs #i guess