#odin’s a+ parenting

[musclesandhammering]

Just saw a post saying Odin is a reliable narrator in all the movies and the only time he’s ever told a lie is about Loki being adopted. Really.

Fighting with the urge to write a gigantic meta detailing all Odin’s shady shit.

#loki meta #Thor meta #Thor 2011 #thor the dark world #thor ragnarok #fandom wank #odin meta #anti odin #odin’s a+ parenting #someone stop me I have too many huge meta posts already

[mightily-oats]

I am just so happily surprised by where they’ve taken Loki in season 2. It’s so much more than I let myself believe it could be.

Man it’s been such a ride for us old timey Loki fans. Not knowing if the writers will remember and appreciate the depth of the character they have in their hands over and over again.. for nearly a decade.

And now, for him to have finally found his own power over his story. Shaping his destiny as he deems fit, according to what his true self and values are (AOA!!)

And to have found that power in himself through finally having people around him that see him. See his value as a person. They see past the role others wrote him into. (Comic Loki again!!!!!).

I’m just so relieved to be honest. My boy is back!

It really goes to show how much Loki’s family fucked him up. And the other people around him in Asgard. Look how far he can and will go for you, if you just show him the slightest bit of genuine appreciation. (Though he did do that in the start of Thor 1 tbh, even though they didn’t give him much appreciation for it. The opposite actually)

His parents just used him so much, fucked with his head and his sense of security and trust. And guilted him if he spoke up. Or just yelled at him incoherently for starting to speak up if you’re Odin. Or went into Odinsleep, either way 🤷

#sure you can still tell it’s made in the Disney mcu era #but the fact they were able to keep such a core chunk of his character alive through all the corporate hurdles #they could have taken it in so many shit ways #well they still have an episode to ruin it all #but I’m a Loki fan #I’m good at ignoring the parts of canon I disagree with hahaha #science/fiction #it’s between science and fiction that magic is found ;) #Loki #loki season 2 #loki series #Loki s2 ep5 #loki spoilers #odin’s a+ parenting #odin’s a*parenting #mine #marvel #mcu loki

[lucianalight]

Hela: Father I want to keep fighting because that's all you taught me.

Odin: No. How dare you have so little regard for life exactly like me? Imprisoned and forgotten.

Thor: Father I tried to kill all the monsters just the way you taught me.

Odin: No. How dare you put Asgardian lives in danger and glorify war exactly like me? Banished and stripped of your power.

Loki: Father I could have killed all the monsters without endangering Asgardian lives to prove my loyalty to you!

Odin: No. How dare you think that's what I wanted when I raised you with racism against your own people? Rejected and driven to suicide.

Hela, Thor and Loki:

#odin's a+ parenting #a summary #odin #thor #loki #hela #asgardian siblings #odin's family dynamic

[thatsolacegirl]

What If...? S2 E7 proves that Odin is the shittiest father of the MCU. Hela's bloodlust was the result of Odin's bad parenting.

Hela was one of the first victims of Odin. She never wanted to be an executioner. She was just a child who wanted to play with her wolf and be happy and free.

ODIN WAS/IS THE PROBLEM.

#marvel #what if...? season 2 #mcu what if #what if #Hela #odin #odin's a+ parenting #what if spoilers #mcu

[nepobabyeurydice]

all odin’s children need is validation from someone they like and then they become kinder more loving people. jane, mobius and ying li & wenwu can literally fix them i swear.

#what if marvel #what if season 2 #hela marvel #thor odinson #loki laufeyson #loki friggason #hela odinsdottir #ying li #wen wu #jane foster #odin’s a bad parent #all the love in the world to frigga for putting up with that bitch #the wand of fairy authority upon thee

[galaxythreads]

Loki had no right to envy thor and praise the ground frigga walked on when odin was a shitty dad to all three of his kids

Alright! Time to talk about something that is not discussed enough: jealousy between siblings that grew up in parental abuse/neglectful situations.

As someone who grew up in an abusive/neglectful environment and has siblings, + knows many people who have the same set of parameters, jealousy between siblings is sort of natural byproduct because guess what!

Parents never, never, never abuse/neglect every kid in their family in exactly the same way.

My parents were awful to my siblings in ways they weren't to me, but I'm jealous of the good things they did to for them because they didn't do that with me (i.g. when I was looking for a job last year, i got yelled at every time I failed; when my sister was looking for a job, my parents were very present for her emotionally and assured her she was doing the best she could when she didn't get the job. Their patience was absurd to me) Stuff like that + bigger things. If we were neglected/abused in exactly the same way, my sister would have gotten yelled at, too, or I would have gotten support, but it didn't happen like that because parents don't DO that, even in healthy environments, parents are never the same parents to their kids.

Likewise in ways they were awful to my siblings, they were LESS awful to me, so my siblings are jealous of that. when you're raised in an environment where you have to fight for love and scraps of affection when your parents are in a parenting mood, you are always jealous when someone manages to get the scrap. Like yes, your siblings (often) become your closest friends and confidants in that situation because there's no one else who understands it like they do, but because the abuse/neglect is so different for everyone, it causes resentment.

So here's the thing: Thor, Hela, and Loki were not abused in the same way. Loki can have an amazing, healthy relationship with Frigga (he does not, but we can pretend for a moment) and Thor is fighting for scraps of love from her. (Parents and their parenting moods are weird) and Thor can resent Loki for that because he needs a mom too. Thor can get all the attention from Odin and have a healthier (it is not healthy) relationship with Odin, and Loki can resent him for that, even though he has a "good" relationship with Frigga, because he still needs a dad. Hela can have been banished and raised as Odin's sword and have NO good or even good-ish relationships with Frigga and Odin and she resents Thor and Loki for that because she needed parents.

But is all their trauma valid even though the WAY they were traumatized is different? Yes. Can we look at them and objectively choose the "worst" victim between the three of them? No. We can't. Because different things traumatize people differently. And why should we? it's not a competition. Even though parental abuse/neglect has a tendency to pit siblings against each other despite (usually) said siblings best efforts otherwise, it is NOT A COMPETITION.

Loki has every right to be angry with Odin over what he did to him even though Odin was terrible to all his children because IT! IS! NOT! A! COMPETETION! ABOUT WHO WAS ABUSED MORE! The most suffering victim doesn't "earn" the right to be traumatized. everyone was traumatized. Everyone gets therapy. They're just going to talk about different things in therapy and THEY ARE ALL STILL TRAUMATIZED.

I guarantee to you that if they were real people, Thor would absolutely be jealous of Loki and Hela. Loki would be jealous of Hela and Thor. Hela would be jealous of Thor and Loki, EVEN THOUGH all of them are being abused, it's just the fact they're not being abused in the same way.

And this is WHY I am always in awe of their relationship in canon because it is one of the best written sibling relationships under abuse I have ever seen because it is REAL. (The Umbrella Academy s1 did this spectacularly, also, btw) Sibling relationships under abuse are so so so messy because everyone is in survival mode and it causes SO MANY issues.

and guess what! Everyone IS jealous of each other

^ Thor's resentment that he wasn't taught anything by Frigga (listen to the way he says this, he is very jealous and bitter, i WISH they had poked this more)

^ hela jealous odin replaced her with Thor

^ loki jealous that Thor got more attention than he did from their parents + people in general (all this attention wasn't a good thing) (funnily enough, for someone who is said to be SUPER jealous, this is the only time in canon I can think of Loki actually admitting that he is)

so anyway, sibling resentment HAPPENS but everyone is still abused/neglected and it all sucks and EVERYONE deserves therapy. And hey, if Frigga decided to actually be a parent to one of her kids (she didn't) then I am HAPPY because at least SOMEONE got a parent, even though Thor deserved a mom just as much as Loki did.

#thor meta #loki meta #hela meta #hela #loki #thor #odin's a+ parenting #child abuse #we do not talk about sibling relationships and abuse enough #it would have helped me so much when I was younger if I knew any of this instead I just thought i was a monster #turns out i was just 13 and exhausted

[tallseaweed]

Buddy Request: are you a Loki obsessed high fantasy lover?

I would really like to connect with fellow Loki fans who want to rant about/analyze Loki and Thor's psychology, family dynamics, Asgardian society, Jotunheim, magic/seiðr, and the Nine Realms. Ideas/thoughts that aren't canon-compliant with the MCU are more than welcome!

Here are some fics with these types of themes that I have thoroughly enjoyed and been inspired by:

Ásgarðrian Galdr by Valerie_Vancollie

Bargaining by proantagonist ( @proantagonista ) [thank you SO MUCH for the rec @alwida10!]

Frostbite by Maiden_of_Asgard

Once More With Empathy by Kairyn ( @bfaymiller )

A Fairytale Beginning by the_lady_amphitrite ( @the-lady-amphitrite )

Let me set the scene:

For the past year and a half, I've been working on developing a longfic featuring a Thor 2011 Loki and an OC Sigyn. Honestly, I don't think that I'll get around to posting it anytime soon (there's still so much work to be done on it), but it's constantly on my mind. It's sort of a hybrid concept of the MCU, Norse Mythology, my own ideas, OCs, and magic systems. It has an epic scope with multiple arcs and characters from most of the Nine Realms. Do you like characters with wings? I got you covered. An imminent threat to the Nine Realms? Check. An in-depth analysis of Ásgarðr and Jǫtunheimr's history uncovered during Loki's identity crisis? A Jǫtunn OC? A Laufey that never wanted to lose their child? Check, check, and check.

I've found it hard to talk to people about all this because it involves a LOT of worldbuilding. Epic fantasy definitely isn't for everyone and this will not be a "light" read. Some non-fanfic stories that have inspired me along the way include the Roots of Chaos series by Samantha Shannon (The Priory of the Orange Tree and A Day of Fallen Night) and Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien. So if you like those types of stories, you might like the ideas I come up with.

If you relate to anything I've said, I also want to mention that I would love to hear about your ideas as well! If you feel trapped inside your own head and feel hesitant to "info-dump" on people, I am the person for you. And hey, maybe we can inspire each other :) Fanfiction is not about gatekeeping, and I have been unabashedly inspired by so many different takes on Loki that I've read along the way.

Sending this out into the Tumblr void, hoping it finds the right people!

#loki fanfiction #loki longfic #loki 2011 #thor 2011 #worldbuilding #fanfiction worldbuilding #fantasy epic #my ocs #fanfic worldbuilding #asgard au #asgard #jotunheim #vanaheim #fantasy writing #loki #thor #loki meta #thor meta #odin #frigga #odin's a+ parenting #laufey #the norns #sigyn #logyn #loki x sigyn #alfheim #nidavellir #midgard #brodinsons

[purplehalnw]

God the moment in TDW when Frigga asks Loki "Then am I not your mother?" is so fucking painful and sad.

Like Loki was hopeful that he still had Frigga as a mother, that he still had some family that actually loved him, that she was still the good person he always thought she was, but then she starts to manipulate him like Odin, defending Odin's actions, and basically saying "you can either have both of us or neither of us". And he decides that he's not taking it anymore, he already took enough from Odin, he's not taking it from her. So, he responds, realizing that he has no one left, "you're not".

And oh my god just seeing the realization on his face makes me cry

#loki laufeyson #thor dark world #frigga's b+ parenting #manipulation #emotional abuse #mcu frigga #mcu odin #odin's a+ parenting #loki mcu #loki marvel #loki laufeyjarson #loki laufeydottir #loki laufeychild #mcu loki #marvel loki #marvel mcu #marvel cinematic universe #emotional manipulation #marvel movies #mcu movies #thor movies

[worstloki]

Odin’s pathetic like imagine having literally a thousand years to raise a kid to do what you tell them and then they don’t so bad you have to lock them away in another dimension and/or exile them as a mortal to another planet and/or throw them in a dungeon for the rest of their life

#like really?? you had a centuries to come up with a parental plan for loyalty and all you managed was.... ????? #bro fumbled HARD #even the one he kidnapped had no loyalty like feelings and attachment sure but he had a moral compass stronger than the bedtime stories #imagine being Odin and your blood kid you’ve raised as a replacement heir cares for the adopted sibling more than you or the imperial empire #Thor really changed his ethics and character of a thousand years based on his brother getting teary eyed fr #king

[nikkoshierlokiofneeds]

#loki the scapegoat #odin's a+ parenting #frigga's b+ parenting #thor's... c+ brothering? #loki #thor the dark world #mcu #quote #my edits #actually loki #you lack queueviction

[musclesandhammering]

Ok but the parallel of Gamora being a scared little girl on a planet that was crumbling and was being invaded by a cosmic fascist who killed half the people and kidnapped her from her family, raising her as his own and grooming her to be his weapon in his further fascist conquests

And Loki… being a scared little boy on a planet that was crumbling and was being invaded by a cosmic imperialist who killed half the people and kidnapped him from his family, raising him as his own and grooming him to be his weapon in his further imperial conquests.

Also: “Everything I hate about myself, you taught me.”

#I’m not saying it’s exactly the same thing but it sure as hell rhymes #I just wish loki was able to fully conceptualise his parental situation the way that gamora seemed to be able to #loki yeah he intellectually knows he was kidnapped from his home by the very man who was destroying it #and he knows he was meant to be a pawn his whole life #but the fact that he was younger than gamora when he was taken and didn’t have any memories of his actual family #combined with the fact that his family allegedly left him to die anyway #makes him sort of cling to Odin as a fatherly figure more than he would otherwise #just as a way to distance himself from his actual parents who he sees as even worse #does that make sense? #anyway #loki meta #loki #gamora meta #Gamora #lokimora #gamoraloki #not rly but tagging just in case #mcu #anti odin #something something something the majority of Loki’s ‘villainous’ character traits really did come from Odin

[midnottart]

I saw someone doing this meme redraw with their fave chars, got me inspired for some good old Odin's A+ Parenting.

#meme redraw #Odin #Loki #Thor #odin's a+ parenting #Martina Hill #midnott #midnott.art

[nostalgia-tblr]

Right I'm not saying Odin's not had a terrible amount of colonialism and war going on over his however-long-it's-been reign but when Thor wants to lay waste to Jotunheim and Odin tells him off for this it's not just hypocrisy at work, because the Odin of the timeframe of that movie seems sure that this would be Wrong not just politically bothersome and yet he also doesn't really explain to Thor why things are different now and putting that together what you have is this: Odin can't explain his own apparent change of heart without revealing that "oh yeah your brother's a Jotun," even though he must be fairly sure that this information would stop Thor's xenophobic bloodlust in its tracks as effectively as it did his own.

#thor (2011) #mcu tag i guess #he's had plenty of time to think of a handy excuse that doesn't give anything away but in that reality things are less dramatic generally #like in the reality where when Odin fainted Frigga (remember her?) explained their thought process and expressed their love etc #and you know what now i wonder *when* sylvie got told she was adopted cos it *could* be not long before she wandered off-path #i think we've all assumed she just always knew? but if not the TVA come cos she's still playing valkyrie-saves-ppl AFTER she knows the trut #which would mean SHE did nothing 'wrong' - the point of divergence was her parents failing to traumatise her sufficiently and spark off #a spiral into villainy for her. which then also means they DID fuck up her life by not fucking her up enough. oh the irony :(

[lucianalight]

Uhh...well this post turned out really weird. I don't even know what this is lol. First part is more meta, and second part is more headcanon. I just really needed to get these thoughts out of my head :D

I still couldn't get over the fact that Odin had planned and gifted both Hela and Thor with a powerful artifact(Hela's helmet and Mjolnir) and decided to later gave them one more(Gungnir) for ruling, and yet he gave Loki nothing. It really showed how Odin viewed Loki among all his three children and preferred to ignor him. He seriously went from telling the brothers that both of them were born to be kings but only (heavily implied the worthy) one could ascend to the throne(which basically made sure that these brothers are going to compete for it), to giving Thor Mjolnir, then the throne and Gungir would have come with it, making Thor the most powerful he could be and in the brothers' eye the worthier and the winner("This was to be my day of triumph"), and yet he expected Loki to be ok with it? To not try desperately to figure out why Thor was favored while it was Loki who was the more thoughtful one, who understood ruling better? And then people wonder why Loki was jealous of Thor. And you know what? He had every right to be envious of Thor because how Odin treated Loki was so damn unfair.

Then I realized actually this is not completely true. Odin did in fact plan to give Loki a powerful artifact.

The day he showed the Casket of Ancient Winters to the boys, just as he had showed Hela the helmet when she was a kid. The time he talked about "evil Frost Giants", never bothered to correct Thor that they weren't monsters, scared Loki of his own race and people to the point that he asked whether the Frost Giants still live. And then told them that they were both born to be kings, but only one can ascend to the throne of Asgard. The other gets the throne of "monsters" he was meant to as a puppet king under Asgard's control, bringing their treasure back and remake what Odin had destroyed years ago.

We never found out when these plans didn't matter anymore. Was it before or after Jotunheim? Or did Odin have another reason? Could it be that he was so afraid of Loki's power he preferred not to encourage him for his magic, or give him anything that could make him stronger? After all "a king must tame his threats to ensure they fight for him".

This line of thought made me question sth else. What Odin was talking about when he mentioned "threat" to Hela and showing her the helmet? We know he was talking about Fenrir and implying it about Hela too. But why did he mention taming a threat and showing her a helmet that clearly made her upset and uncomfortable?

Now we get into the more headcanon-y part.

Let's go back in time a little and observe some Asgradian choices in fashion, weapons and politics during centuries.

This is Bor, father of Odin with horns on his helmet and Gungnir in his hands, killing the dark elves. Bor later was considered a hero for basically genocide.

Odin Borson. His helmet has some considerable changes from Bor. It has horns and wings and Hela's helmet. He is standing alone with Gungnir.

Later Odin has given Hela the helmet and conquers the realms with her help, following his father's steps to more extremes.

I assume during their conquests Odin made the Dwarfs build Mjolnir and gave it to Hela.

Then he stops at the nine realms, banishes Hela and keeps Mjolnir with all other stolen relics in Asgards' vault.

He later gives Mjolnir to Thor. But that's not the only thing Thor inherits from him.

Thor's helmet carries the wings of Odin's, and Loki's helmet bears the horns.

(Which is a nice symbolism for the roles of golden child and scapegoat Thor and Loki have in their family dynamic but I digress). He has basically divided all he had between his three children. The helmets of his three kids together make his original helmet in the mural.

What I was trying to get at with this, is that since Odin didn't wear the helmet after Hela and was keeping it in the vault, and referring to it as sth related to a threat, I headcanon that the helmet originally didn't belong to him and he got it from the someone else during a battle as he tends to steal powerful objects from people he defeats. Considering Hela's reaction she probably knew the story behind it. We've seen Odin likes to tell the stories of his wars to his children while showing them the trophies.

So who was the original owner of Hela's helmet? And why Odin had decided to give it to Hela? This implies he was sure Hela could use the Helmet's power, but why? Well, I have another headcanon :D What if the original owner of the Helmet was Hela's mother? Hela never mentions her mother, and she knew the helmet was going to be hers and wasn't happy about it. Odin could have taken it from his first girlfriend and killed her or imprisoned her, telling Hela that her mother was an enemy, to make sure she never talks about her or questions Odin. This also fits well with my other headcanon that Hela's Loki mother :D Because a child who had inherited her mother's magic and Jotun's powers could be exceptionally powerful and Odin had to tame that threat.

Congrats! You've reached the end of this incredibly messy post. Here's a realistic rendering of me while I was writing it :D

#yes loki's the most powerful character in the mcu and odin feared his power #don't @ me or I link you to even more longer posts :P :D #how do i tag this lol #odin's a+ parenting #odin #thor #loki #hela #loki headcanon #hela headcanon #loki meta #meta #long post

[purple--queen]

Hela be like : & then my dad got this new girlfriend & now he is all about peace & no weapons on the table & wash that blood from your hands when we eat & next sunday we will ride out to get a stronger family bound & look she made you a dress you should wear it at the next midsummer & maybe you should do more activitis with her because she starts to thing you dont like her which is bad because we plan to get a kid togheter &-

Jiayi:....are you okay???

#hela used her midgard time as a thearpy as she should... #i feel so sad for her... #this is what being a child of seperated parents is like... #one parent starts a new relationship & then you have to play happy family with that stranger... #i relate to her a lot... #hela marvel #what if season 2 #what if spoilers #odin being a bad dad

[galaxythreads]

oh and another thing! what was the point of having Loki develop friendships so that way he could "have a meaningful relationship for the first time in his life" when Thor was RIGHT THERE the whole time???

The movie saga:

The series, for some reason:

#anti loki series #i think i'm in a mood about the show this week lol #loki #and then they try to guilt trip loki about odin too #like my guy #odin doesn't get a prize about being his father because he raised him #he did the bare minimum #like what was legally required of him #parenting takes work and odin did 0% of that work