#or book canon huaisang

[oneeyedoctogod]

Gods this fandom sometimes, I swear. I'm sorry I read two deeply bad takes back to back, and I have to rant. I'm sure others have said it better than I, but really. Come on. I actually have to wonder if people who talk about the extras actually read them because...

Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji didn't leave the cultivation world in canon. They elope, and then they come back. The fact they're not involved in the bigger politics is... pretty much to be expected, but they very much do participate in the day to day lives of the Lan sect. They go where the chaos is to night hunt, they teach, Lan Wangji comforts his brother in his seclusion, and Wei Wuxian meets some new Lan disciples.

As for the cottage fantasy... Again, I honestly have to wonder if the people talking about it actually read the extra it's in? Because it's just that. A fantasy. A dream. It's basically a representation of Wei Wuxian's wants for a domestic life, something he definitely has now! He's always been characterised as someone who wants to help others and who loves cultivation. Why would you think the dream is to be taken literally?

And the idea that Wei Wuxian has 'several important relationships just floating there', that he's not dealing with... Where? Which ones? He teaches the juniors and grows closer to Jin Ling. He doesn't exactly interact with Lan Xichen, but he asks after him. He meets Mianmian again and wishes her well. He asks after Wen Ning after Lan Sizhui comes back then has some father-son bonding moments with him!

Nie Huaisang and Wei Wucian aren't close. They were friendly once, but they didn't ever meet after the lectures. I don't see how that qualifies as an "important" relationship, especially with Nie Huaisang never openly admitting to his part in Wei Wuxian's resurrection. But even then, Wei wuxian says he'll be keeping a close eye on him, so one can imagine they meet again at some point.

As for Jiang Cheng... what more do you want Wei Wuxian to do exactly? Even if you want a reconciliation, why can't Jiang Cjeng be he one to actually grow up and do the work for once? He's the one who never apologized. He's the one who is still openly hostile in the extras. If Wei Wuxian wants to move on and not interact with him, he's well within his right to do that, given how Jiang Cheng treated him. Hell, he's more generous than most since he encourages Jin Ling to talk to Jiang Cheng. If I'd been treated by someone like Jiang Cheng treated Wei Wuxian and saw him hit our nephew several times, I certainly wouldn't encourage them to meet. (But that's Wei Wuxian for you, the moral ideal and better than all of us.)

Anyway, I really don't understand why people insist on making Wangxian have a sadder ending than the one they actually did. It's a HEA for them, sorry guys. And yeah, maybe Wei wuxian has some trauma to work on... but the whole point of the character is that he doesn't let his trauma define him. That he wants to forgives, forgets and moves on.

(Also, just because he doesn't have a breakdown or the cultivation equivalent of therapy in the extra doesn't mean he's not working on them? He finally is at peace, with a solid support network. Maybe he does talk about his past hurts with Lan Wangji - Lan Wangji certai ly knows when to comfort him when he needs it. But the narrative point of the extras is to show they're moving on from the past! And you know what, sometimes the beat thing to do to heal is to do just that. They're living their best lives, deal with it.)

And finally... shit did you really read the whole book and come to the conclusion Wei Wuxian should have 'learned to accept help'? Who the fuck offered help? Who did he refuse?

(Don't say Lan Wangji. 1) I love him, but "Come back to Gusu" is very much not an obvious offer to help, and when Wei Wuxian understandably misunderstands him, he never manages to correct it.

And 2) once Wei Wuxian tells him explicitly he's not leaving the Wen remnants behind, Lan Wangji understands and backs off. He approves! I'm sure he'd do more if he could, but just like Jiang Yanli, he can't!)

Jiang Cheng literally said, 'No one will help you, no one is on your side' (and then made sure that was true by saying Wei Wuxian was the enemy of the cultivation world). Jin Zixuan chose to ask the one who was ambushed to disarm rather than the 300 cultivators attacking him and lunged at him when Wei Wuxian refused to comply (because he'd be killed if he did!!). How is that help?

Who else tried to help? Whose help did Wei Wuxian reject?

Wei Wuxian was presented with a series of bad choices and took the best he could, the ones aligned with his principles, accepting he'd have to face consequences at some point but also knowing it was still worth it. He's not the one who failed or made a fatal mistake or betrayed his word.

Rant over. Sorry about that.

#MDZS #Wangxian #Wei Wuxian #I am so sorry but those two posts pissed me off #I dont want to fall into the easy argument lf 'you lack reading comprehension' but... #seriously all of that is EXPLICITLY SAID in the text #this is not interpretation!

[lazycranberrydoodles]

its prosecutor jiang wanyin!!!! oh fuck!!! / gifs + au rambling below the cut / follow for more mdzs x aa crossover stuff :3

all the gifs i made (poses traced off franziska):

hes so similar to franziska when you think about it. theyre both deeply insecure tsundere adoptive younger sibling of successful main characters. who carry whips. something something edgeworth choosing death and wwx actually dying also

his share code is HWFEFF if you wanna use him in a trial! you can't share backgrounds but heres the scenery from the donghua i used.

the easiest way to put custom stuff into objection.lol is to send it in discord and then use the link from opening it in your browser :)

a whole lot of AU stuff

the art im making is for if mdzs was an ace attorney game, playing from WWX's POV to solve various mysteries/cases over the course of the plot. so this scene would be from turnabout goddess, which would loosely cover the dafan mountain mystery.

cases include:

Turnabout Revenge (Mo Manor, quick introductory first case)

Turnabout Goddess (Dafan mountain, the good times flashback)

Turnabout Saber (the man-eating castle (omg hiii nhs))

The Blind Turnabout (Yi City arc)

Turnabout Deviation (the Koi Tower conference, Empathy on NMJ ala turnabout memories or beginnings. opening cutscene is his qi deviation)

The Blood-Soaked Turnabout (second Burial Mounds siege, flashbacks: Xuanwu, Sunshot, YLLZ, Nightless City massacre)

Turnabout Lotus Seeds (testimony about JGY, tree scene, golden core reveal, bathtub scene. opening cutscene could be JGS' death but that would make it canon rather than ambiguous)

Turnabout Confession (Guanyin temple)

the problem with splitting novel!mdzs into turnabouts is that flashbacks are a huge chunk of the book but they don't have mysteries/ cases to solve so they've gotta be lumped together with present day stuff. imo? many of the flashbacks would likely have to be abridged so they could be retold ala DL-6, SL-9, or the fourth grade incident, where characters talk about it over some pieces of art. this is really difficult when theres a metric ton of unspoken, complex, and signifcant history between every character lmao

there's not as much of a problem with the cql timeline but i have not finished it. so.

the opening cutscenes in ace attorney always show the murder and/or the murderer plotting. the first cutscene of the game would be MXY summoning WWX, muttering about getting revenge on his family (it would also be good for him to mention the yllz being dead because that's how the novel starts.) cut to WWX's POV as he wakes up covered in blood and the investigation segment begins.

for investigations of monsters (goddess, saber, etc) the cutscene would be a scene of some poor throwaway cultivator getting their shit wrecked.

it would be cool to make a breakdown for JGY but again I need to review that scene cause I don't know who I'd base him on. maybe Vasquez or Dahlia.

tell me your thoughts!! i'm working off of a mdzs summary/ skimming the novel because i don't remember it too well so if i get anything wrong please yell at me

Jin Ling's sprites & Nie Huaisang's sprites / masterpost

#PLEAAAASE send it to me if you do actually use my animations in a case🥺 #here im adapting mdzs to aa gameplay rather than making a mdzs AU where they are lawyers #so jiang cheng is not a prosecutor in this hes just angry. and on the right side of the screen #that man has not graduated law school but then again no one in ace attorney has either #the names are based off of how ace attorney cases are either named after a distinctive item/location (bigtop bridge samurai etc) #or the main emotional/character type thing that happens (goodbyes reminiscence farewell) #the mdzs/aa au where the stories get blended (ie my tags on the nhs post) is very interesting but i would have to think about it very hard #and i dont want to . i would rather think about what the court record would look like (its full of severed limbs) #MDZS' EXPLORATIONS OF MORALITY MAKE ME CHEW ON ROCKS #urrgh i got carried away writing this post & wrote a couple hundred words comparing aa and mdzs' attitudes towards morality & public opinio #i could write an essay on this topic tbh. #can i call this an au? its the same story in the same universe just in a different format. hmm #mdzs #aa #art #mo dao zu shi #ace attorney #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #cql #the untamed #jiang cheng #jin ling #objection.lol #flashing image tw #pixel art #animation #my art #franziska von karma #i guess?? #mdzs aa au

[satonthelotuspier]

I just wanted to talk a little about these three dumbasses, and what a complete disaster trio they're displayed as during the Cloud Recesses days, and how it's meant to act as a foil for the people there were shortly to become.

We all know the shenanigans they got up to, and the shortcomings of them all; the untamed genius, the emotionally stunted heir, the lazy fop; and despite this you're looking at the people who achieved the greatest feats of their generation.

One resurrected a sect from near-decimation to become one of the most powerful in the land in a single decade, one brought into being an entirely new type of cultivation that arguably won the Sunshot Campaign against the Wens, and the other schemed and achieved a stunningly elaborate revenge plot against the most powerful man in the cultivational world.

And every single one of them did it in total isolation. Strong, silent, and alone.

And what a foil for the venerated triad these stupid little boys are meant to be.

Three war heroes from the three most powerful sects of the time, the hope of a generation. Three men who couldn't change, couldn't bend, couldn't adapt themselves, and who ended in tragedy, ripped apart by their own sworn brotherhood.

And these three boys who started from tragedy, shouldered the burdens left to them and did what needed doing, entirely by themselves.

Did any of them grow as people? Absolutely not, MDZS is most definitely not a story about personal growth; its a story about war and politics, power and corruption, and people doing what they thought needed to be done, and all the reasons that might be so: personal codes (Wei Wuxian), duty and responsibility (Jiang Cheng) and revenge (Nie Huaisang).

Ironically those are motivating factors we see reflected in the 3zun too, but with very different outcomes.

Although that only stands to the end of the book, who knows what would happen in the future?

Was Wei Wuxian happy by the end of the book? Short term? Yes, Wangxian got the riding off into the sunset, but Wei Wuxian's trauma has trauma, and trauma doesn't just vanish for a happily ever after.

Nie Huaisang? Revenge is sweet, but after devoting yourself to that kind of darkness for so many years, after isolating yourself and eating, breathing, sleeping your revenge, what can possibly come next in life?

Jiang Cheng? Destroyed by the core reveal and struggling with the knowledge that he's in Wei Wuxian's debt, and shadow, once again. What did his own sacrifice mean if it just caused Wei Wuxian suffering in a different way? It would be no surprise if Jiang Cheng is feeling an immense amount of guilt, like he is the reason Wei Wuxian suffered as he did, because of the core loss. All those old insecurities rising back to the surface. He couldn't even save his Shixiong in the end.

Obviously it really isn't that simple in reality, but those kinds of emotions don't really care about that. Guilt isn't always logical, and we know how much Jiang Cheng loves Wei Wuxian.

It's fair to say none of the three have an easy immediate post canon future coming up.

#jiang cheng #wei wuxian #nie huaisang #venerated triad #lan xichen #nie mingjue #jin guangyao #meta #cross posted from twitter

[poorlittleyaoyao]

top 5 widely accepted fanon you have beef with, go

OH MAN. My dash is curated like a well-funded museum so I am blissfully sheltered from nonsense. However, based on hearsay and in no particular order...

Literally anything about Mo Xuanyu. My primary frame of reference is CQL (a disclaimer I feel obliged to put on any meta posts, this one included!), which says next to nothing about MXY. I genuinely thought, based on what I'd seen in fandom, that Novel MXY was canonically a petite uwu soft goth boi who'd been part of the Jinlintai Demonic Cultivation Research Department until JGY falsely accused him of harassment and expelled him as part of his Evil Keikaku(TM). And like... that's all possible, and fully workable within the canon framework, but it's not indisputably textual. It's a shame, because I'd find all of these fanons compelling if they weren't repeated as fact!

Mean Lesbian Wen Qing. As with the above, this is fully workable within canon, and I fully sympathize with being a queer woman who wants to see other queer women in fiction. This is even hypocritical of me, perhaps, given how I am so deep in the weeds with the fanons of Lesbian Margaery Tyrell and Lesbian Johanna Mason (for the books, not the adaptations) that I genuinely forget that this isn't canon. But Johanna and Margaery both have meaningful (and quite charged imo!) on-page interactions with other women outside their families in their source material. Wen Qing doesn't, because this canon is deeply disinterested in what its female characters are up to. Lesbian Wen Qing feels less like desperately latching onto queer subtexts and more like a convenient way to remove her from the male characters and/or dunk on Jiang Cheng. If there were an abundance of Wen Qing femslash to accompany this fanon, I'd fell differently, but as it stands... nah, son.

Mean Hypermasculine Dom Nie Mingjue. Maybe it's different in the novel (though based on my understanding of Novel Da-Ge, why would you bother?), but in CQL? Where he feels his emotions up to 11 and cries about all of them? Where his memories of Meng Yao in Nightless City feature an assertive Meng Yao with flawless contouring, on-point eye makeup, and a level of manhandling and verbal degradation that is not at all present in the original version of this scene? The sensitive man with comically horny memories of being captured by his ex gets off on being a macho seme caricature? lololol okay.

Jin Guangyao and Nie Huaisang, Diabolical Murderous Supergeniuses. Canon is quite clear that neither of these men are the brilliant chessmasters fanon makes of them. Jin Guangyao plans meticulously, but he's far from ruthless; as others have pointed out, Jin Guangyao preserves a whole slew of people it would've been more practical to kill, with results that lead directly to his downfall. Nie Huaisang is ruthless, but he doesn't plan for shit; his strengths are his swift reaction time and his ability to hold a grudge, because it is straight-up not possible for Nie Huaisang to anticipate all of the events after the timeskip. They're both forces to be reckoned with, but they both get too much credit as schemers.

Wei Wuxian is basically A-Yuan's dad. This might not even count as a fanon, but 1.) I cannot STAND the tendency for fandoms to impose nuclear family roles onto character dynamics, and 2.) Wei Wuxian knew A-Yuan for like 1.5 years when A-Yuan was a toddler and wasn't even his primary caregiver. Do you think of your preschool or kindergarten teachers--who spent more time with you per day than Wei Wuxian spent with A-Yuan--as your long-lost parents? PROBABLY NOT.

[tavina-writes]

NHS archer thumb ring headcanons you say 👀??!!

okay, so this is mildly related to the post I made about Nie Huaisang and gender a bit ago, because ough oh man BUT, book NHS supposedly wears jewelry! Especially rings! and I was kind of 👀 about that because jade thumb rings were really popular for Chinese men throughout the ages, as both a 'rich dandy who wants to brag about how good he is with a bow' and a 'legit I use this for archery bc it helps with the grip' BUT did you know that the 'jue' of Nie Mingjue (while we typically in this fandom translate it as 'jade') refers specifically to a jade ring that has a slight break to it?

Have some examples (originally from here):

So of course, in my mind, NHS wears a jade thumb ring with a slight break in it (engraved with either with the taotie or dragons) called a 'jue' and has been doing that since he was a teenager, but it all becomes MUCH MUCH worse after Da-ge dies.

I have this moment in the Nie Huaisang Post Canon Mental Breakdown Fic:

with this accompanying footnote:

Jade thumb rings were worn by archers, especially among the Mongolian and Manchu cultures to help grip the bowstring. In time, this tradition became a way for men to signify their martial prowess, whether or not they’re actually good archers. I also have found some evidence that this was a tradition from previous dynasties as well. NHS wears one because he likes bling. (Also of course I cannot RESIST the urge to tell you that this incomplete jade ring is called a jue. Which is the same as the character in Nie Mingjue.)

Which is just to say that the 'jue' ring he wears is not a NEW thought I have had, it just makes me cry to think about if I think too hard about it :DDDD

I HOPE THIS WAS FUN.

#nie huaisang my beloved #not exactly meta #but #my meta #meta #god to think of this #rs: da ge and didi #thinking of da ge every day #nie huaisang #nie mingjue

[thatswhatsushesaid]

once i finish tgcf i remain extremely torn on what i actually want to read next. like currently svsss is next in the queue, but i have been wanting to do a re-read of mdzs with a focus specifically on nie huaisang and the nie sect for a while now, and i still remain theoretically keen on the idea. but every time i think about picking up the book again, i remember i'll have to re-experience the whole novel once more through wwx's lens, and i am forced to confront how much i just don't like the protagonist of this book anymore 🤷‍♀️ i am sure that this is due in no small part to the state of the discourse here, but even if the vibes here weren't often as rancid as they are, i find novel canon wwx to be a deeply irritating character. and i know he's meant to be, at least in part! he's so obnoxious that even post-timeskip wwx looks back at pre-timeskip wwx and is like oof. cringe. (and whomst among us can't relate to that on some level)

still, there are only so many hours in a day, and only so many of those available hours in the day can reasonably be set aside to do fun things, and i think i may have to admit to myself that repeatedly re-reading a book i don't even like that much anymore, just for the few sections of it that apply to the characters i do like, is probably not a great use of my time lol.

so i guess i'll be reading scum villain next, is what i'm trying to say!! can't wait to go insane over qijiu, i have already been Warned.

#ray.txt #salty peak sect 🧂 #editing to add: this blog isn't going anywhere because i am still afflicted by terminal jgy brainrot #i just frequently catch myself wishing that he was a character in tgcf instead of mdzs #and while i do feel like his spiritual successor(s) are in the book already #it's not the same as seeing my special little guy in the text as he is )': #rip me. i'm suffering

[thepurplewombat]

Character headcanon ask: LXC + JGY!

Okay, so it's finally cooled down enough that my computer has stopped making distressed noises whenever I turned it on, PLUS! we even have power for a few hours today, so here goes:

Lan Xichen

Sexuality Headcanon:

I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't give a lot of thought to characters' sexuality, at least not in terms of having headcanons for them. In my head, LXC is probably some flavor of bi, except that in practical terms, he's A-Yaosexual.

Gender Headcanon:

I think I've read one fic where LXC was actually a woman - not in the sense that he any flavor of trans, at least that was not the impression I got, he was biologically and emotionally a woman, but he was presenting male because of Political Reasons, and I thought that was quite interesting. But in general, I think he's a cis male.

A ship I have with said character:

Oh I don't know, I just don't know, who could I possibly ship the incomparable First Jade of Lan with - it's Jin Guangyao. Like, I'm not going to say that xiyao is canon and everyone who disagrees is wrong (even though they are) because everyone is allowed to be wrong on Beyonce's internet, but any version of Lan Xichen that isn't in love with Jin Guangyao is a Lan Xichen who is so wildly out of character to me that I just don't know what to do with him.

A BROTP I have with said character:

I think he'd get along really well with Jiang Cheng as friends - like, among the reasons that I don't think they work as romantic partners is that I think Lan Xichen would find being in a relationship with JC utterly exhausting. As a romantic partner, you feel somewhat responsible for managing your partner's moods, in a way that you don't necessarily feel the need to do in a friendship. I just think that the distance of a friendship would give him the opportunity to enjoy Jiang Cheng's cunty tendencies and temper, while not making him feel in any way responsible for managing Jiang Cheng's moods.

A NOTP I have with said character:

That being said, Jiang Cheng is not actually my NOTP for this character. I remain convinced that chengxiyao is a viable ship that just needs the right story to take off, and I'm sure that if I were to read a really good x!cheng fic, where Jin Guangyao is not demonised or erased, I would probably enjoy it.

No, my NOTP is Nie Mingjue. Mainly because I think he's an abusive jerkweed who reminds me of both my murderous ex and my late father (although to be fair to the Great Old One, he never tried to kill me) and I don't think that someone who is incapable of understanding that maybe other people have different priorities and points of view, is a good fit to be in a relationship with anyone who doesn't precisely share his values.

Oh and also Nie Huaisang. Just no. NOPE.

A random headcanon:

Not long after the end of canon, Lan Xichen disappears from his house of seclusion and is never seen again, because he's given the entire jianghu the middle finger and fucked off.

General Opinion over said character:

When I finished the book he was my favourite, and I was initially drawn into thinking more about Jin Guangyao because I was looking for stories where Lan Xichen has a happy ending, and a lot of the time, a happy ending for Lan Xicnen requires a happy ending for JGY as well. In the months since, he's been somewhat supplanted by JGY - it's not that I love him less, it's that I love JGY so much more (send help I am genuinely unwell about Jin Guangyao).

More general opinion - I think Lan Xichen should have the opportunity to go absolutely feral.

Jin Guangyao

My lovely boy, my sweet cheese, my rotten soldier, I love him so much.

Sexuality Headcanon:

I mean, canonically he loves both a man (LXC) and a woman (QS) so, bisexual?

I do think he has a complicated relationship with sex, because of his mother's profession and his father's...everything, but I think that like most of his traumas, he pushes it into a box and never ever thinks about it.

Gender Headcanon:

I think that when he was a small boy, his mother went on her knees every day and thanked all the gods and ancestors that he was a boy, because at that point she must have still hoped that JGS would come for them.

So I don't think that JGY has ever actually thought about his gender beyond 'thank the gods I wasn't born a girl'. Like, he could never allow himself to even consider anything other than being a man, because he was his mother's son, you know?

A ship I have with said character:

Xiyao. They're just so *clenches fist* I love them, your honor. Like, they just so obviously love each other - it's more obvious in CQL, but it's not exactly subtle in the novel either, and I just...my heart breaks for them and I love them so much.

I can also be convinced about Chengyao, because I think that Jiang Cheng and Jin Guangyao have got some things in common, and the ways in which they differ are very complementary.

A BROTP I have with said character:

I think that he and Wei Wuxian could have been great friends, if the stars had aligned properly.

A NOTP I have with said character:

Obviously it's a free internet and everyone can do what they want, but personally I can't ship my blorbo with someone who tried to murder him three times and hated him so much that even without knowing that JGY had killed him, he became a fierce corpse and escaped the grave to come after him. Just nope.

A random headcanon:

I don't think that JGY would have left the temple that night. I think he was genuinely trying, because at base he's an engine of survival, but honestly I think when push came to shove and he had to leave Lan Xichen and never see him again, I'm not sure he would have done it.

General Opinion over said character:

I love him. he's my favourite character in MDZS, and he's near the top of my list of all time favourite characters.

#Wombat answers asks #wishthefish #Jin Guangyao #my favourite son #meng yao #maybe he did commit some atrocities #but have you considered that I love him #Lan Xichen #LXC #My favourite son-in-law #best boy lan Xichen #a deeply fucked up but unfailingly kind individual #not a himbo #he just drank his Respect Meng Yao juice

[rosethornewrites]

Fic: the thread may stretch or tangle but it will never break, ch. 24

Relationships: Lán Zhàn | Lán Wàngjī & Wèi Yīng | Wèi Wúxiàn, Lán Zhàn | Lán Wàngjī & Wēn Qíng, Lán Zhàn | Lán Wàngjī/Wèi Yīng | Wèi Wúxiàn, Jiāng Chéng | Jiāng Wǎnyín & Jiāng Yànlí & Wèi Yīng | Wèi Wúxiàn, Lán Huàn | Lán Xīchén & Lán Zhàn | Lán Wàngjī

Characters: Lán Zhàn | Lán Wàngjī, Wèi Yīng | Wèi Wúxiàn, Wēn Qíng, Wēn Níng | Wēn Qiónglín, Granny Wēn, Lán Yuàn | Lán Sīzhuī, Wēn Remnants, , Fourth Uncle, Lán Huàn | Lán Xīchén, Jiang Yanli, Jiang Cheng | Jiang Wanyin, Original Characters, Niè Míngjué, Niè Huáisāng, Niè Zōnghuī, Jīn Zǐxuān

Additional Tags: Pre-Slash, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Secrets, Crying, Masks, Soulmates, Truth, Self-Esteem Issues, Regret, It was supposed to be a one-shot, Fix-It, Eventual Relationships, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, wwx needs a hug, Nightmares, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Filial Piety, Handfasting, Phobias, Sleeping Together, Fear, Panic Attacks, Love Confessions, Getting Together, First Kiss, Kissing, Boys Kissing, Family, and they were married, Bathing/Washing, Hair Braiding, Hair Brushing, Feels, Sex Education, Implied Sexual Content, First Time, Aftercare, Morning After, Afterglow, Implied/Referenced Alcohol Abuse/Alcoholism, Implied/Referenced Torture, Scars, Eventual Happy Ending, Hand Jobs, Chronic Pain, Biting, Conversations, Self-Sacrifice, POV Third Person, POV Lan WangJi, Bugs & Insects, Adoption, Ancestors, Ancestor Veneration, Golden Core Reveal, Top Lan Wangji | Lan Zhan/Bottom Wei Wuxian | Wei Ying, First Time Blow Jobs, Multiple Orgasms, Switching, sex-related injury, Lán Zhàn | Lán Wàngjī Stays at the Burial Mounds, Lán Yuàn | Lán Sīzhuī is a Wèi, Good Sibling Jiāng Chéng | Jiāng Wǎnyín, Dissociation, Burial Mounds Settlement Days, Disability, Scheming Niè Huáisāng, Disabled Character

Summary: Jiang Yanli and Jin Zixuan arrive, with unexpected results.

Notes: See end

AO3 link

Chapters: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23

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Once the meal is complete, the rest of the Wei family trickling out, including Popo and a reluctant A-Yuan, Lan Wangji presses the talisman book into Wei Ying’s hands so he can present it to Xiongzhang. His husband smiles in gratitude.

“Lan Zhan helped with this because his calligraphy is a lot better than mine,” Wei Ying says. “These are talismans I developed to help deal with different forms of resentful energy, in terms of how to remove it safely.”

Xiongzhang is already flipping through the book, Nie Mingjue beside him and also reading over his shoulder. Jiang Wanyin stands for a better look.

“Different forms?” Nie Huaisang asks. “Isn’t it all just resentful energy?”

Wei Ying shakes his head, adopting something of the air of a scholar, but he’s clearly a little restrained, perhaps still reluctant to discuss his cultivation, fearing judgment.

“It’s dependent on a variety of factors, including the emotion powering the resentment and what ‘vessel’ the resentment inhabits, if any—like you have to handle yao, mo, gui, and guai differently, but it’s even more complex than that basic categorization because of the different factors.”

He’s referring to the differences between resentful creatures, and it reminds Lan Wangji of the disastrous conversion between his husband and his uncle during the lectures at the Cloud Recesses. Wei Ying has been exploring the different ways such creatures should be classified, and has started to identify factors that complicate that classification.

The research is groundbreaking, as few have ever studied resentment for reasons other than gaining power, Wei Ying trying to make the best of his situation by improving cultivation knowledge. Lan Wangji has had the opportunity to read his notes as he transcribed them, and he is endlessly amazed by his brilliance.

“You can pull resentment from objects?” Nie Mingjue asks, his expression inscrutable.

The attention makes Wei Ying shrink a little in his seat, and Lan Wangji takes his hand, squeezing it to reassure him. His hesitance to discuss his cultivation is palpable, and partly his fault for having judged him without listening, even if it was out of concern.

“Often each case requires a slightly different solution, but I can generally figure it out, given time. Some objects can be intrinsically connected to the resentment, while others are simply inhabited by it at random.”

Nie Mingjue considers that and nods, keeping whatever thoughts he has to himself and going back to perusing the book as the next page is turned.

“Truly, Wuxian, these are revolutionary, almost too much for a dowry,” Xiongzhang says finally.

“It’s dowry for Lan Zhan, so if anything it’s far too little,” Wei Ying replies with a laugh.

Lan Wangji’s ears heat at his husband’s regard for him, but he also worries Wei Ying is too self-effacing and doesn’t credit his own brilliance enough—Xiongzhang’s assessment of them isn’t overblown; these talismans are truly priceless in their genius and usefulness.

“Wei Ying’s worth cannot be quantified,” he tells him seriously.

He is gratified when Wei Ying blushes deeply and hides his face, overly dramatic as he tends to be when complimented sincerely, something that he never finds boring.

“Hanguang-Jun, spare your poor husband. Your sincerity is too much,” he murmurs.

“Since when have you been shy at compliments?” Jiang Wanyin asks, amused.

Wei Ying only responds by sticking out his tongue, and his brother rolls his eyes good-naturedly.

“I have made a separate copy of the book for Wei Ying to keep, which may eventually be placed in the library at Lotus Pier,” Lan Wangji tells Jiang Wanyin, ignoring their antics.

He receives a nod of thanks, the Jiang sect leader’s attention already caught when Xiongzhang turns another page, the talismans drawing attention.

“Wei-xiong, we finished the rest of the yuefu,” Nie Huaisang comments, not as riveted by the book of talismans as the others. “Your baihua is better than mine and Wei Ning’s, so you should go over it to make sure it’s right.”

Wei Ning ducks his head at the acknowledgment of his help, shy, and Wei Qing nods her thanks to Nie Huaisang for including her brother. There was concern that he would not be accepted by their visitors, which would cause issues with any swearing of siblinghood, but it’s clear by how Nie Huaisang treats him, giving him back some dignity through not only including him, but also cleaning up his appearance so he once again looks like a young master, that their worries were needless.

Nie Huaisang pulls out the sheaf of parchment containing the poem and sets it in front of Wei Ying with a flourish, clearly proud of his work, and Wei Ying shifts through them until he finds the spot he read last. Wei Ning helpfully brings out an inkstone and brush for him to use if he needs to make changes.

While the respective sect leaders pore over the book of talismans, the rest of them peruse the draft, Wei Ying correcting the baihua as he goes, and once rewriting an entire line in a way that makes it fit the yuefu more organically.

“Nie-xiong, I can’t adopt all the street kids in Yiling,” he says emphatically, though his tone betrays him. “I mean, we can feed them now, at least, but what about when it comes time to move to Lotus Pier?”

“The sect needs people,” Jiang Wanyin cuts in before Nie Huaisang can speak, barely looking up from the book. “You don’t have to adopt them as your kids, just as Wei if they want your name. The ones who have the aptitude can become cultivators, and the others we’ll find a place for. There’s room here now for them, and you and Lan Wangji can start their education.”

Wei Ying stares at him, clearly flummoxed, but Lan Wangji knows this is something his husband would love to do—to give children like himself a home so they won’t have to live in the streets and fight dogs for food.

Nie Huaisang clears his throat pointedly.

“Wei-xiong, it will help with your image. No one will believe the Jin rumors, especially with a gaggle of kids hanging off you.”

“Unless they say we eat them or that I use them in some sort of dark rituals,” Wei Ying mutters darkly. “I’ve heard worse said about the Yiling Patriarch.”

Lan Wangji hates that those rumors exist. They are such an anathema to everything that is Wei Ying, beyond insulting almost to the point of blasphemy against his soul.

“You well know no one will notice the disappearance of street children, so there will be time. By the time it’s noticed enough, I’ll be able to take care of any rumors,” Nie Huaisang says, a determined twist to his lips. “A war without fighting is something I can handle, particularly if it subdues our enemies with less turmoil.”

Nie Mingjue drags his attention from the book to study his younger brother, clearly reassessing him, something Nie Huaisang doesn’t even notice, instead leaning over the table, absorbed in reading the changes Wei Ying has made to the yuefu so far.

“Now that we have enough supplies, I can start a clinic,” Wei Qing adds. “That should sow more goodwill, and we can bring meals for the street children.”

“That’ll work better than anything else—they’ll be wary, so it’ll take time,” Wei Ying says distantly, his gaze unfocused.

Lan Wangji can only assume he is thinking about his own childhood, surviving alone for years, and he remembers the scars from dog bites on Wei Ying’s legs. He offers what comfort he can, placing a comforting hand on his back, and is pleased when his husband relaxes at his touch.

Eventually Xiongzhang and Nie Mingjue wander off with Wei Qing to visit some of the warded areas and discuss future night hunts in the Burial Mounds, and Jiang Wanyin tags along—likely he will also send juniors to night hunt, but he’s really accompanying Wei Qing.

Nie Zonghui stays with Nie Huaisang, but generally stays out of the yuefu discussion except when it involves cultivation; at one point he and Wei Ying have a theoretical conversation about yin energy that ultimately adds nothing to the manuscript. Lan Wangji readily admits it is beyond his understanding, and Nie Huaisang spends the entire conversation looking as lost as Lan Wangji feels, though he is pleased the Nie first disciple isn’t balking at such a discussion or treating Wei Ying with the disdain he’s seen far too many of the gentry levy toward him.

The review and discussion of the yuefu comes to an end less than a ke before the others rejoin them, at which point Nie Huaisang dramatically announces the more interesting changes, largely to gloat over the debates he won.

Xiongzhang at least feigns interest, while Nie Mingjue shakes his head at his didi’s antics, but it’s rather a relief when Wei Ying and Wei Ning both jolt slightly. Not only does he prefer not to have the last few hours rehashed, but he is anxious for the swearing ceremony, if only for the sense that, with that complete, they will be that much closer to bringing Wei Ying home.

Jiang Wanyin seems to understand a moment later, asking “Jie?”

Wei Ying smiles, almost too bright, as though he too is feeling the weight of it all, and Lan Wangji takes his arm to urge him to his feet, letting the gesture remind his husband that he faces nothing alone now.

The Nies and Xiongzhang decide against accompanying them to the base of the Burial Mounds, allowing Wei Ying time to collect himself while accompanied by those he has learned to trust to help him.

Jin Zixuan, surprisingly, is not dressed in gold, but a robe of soft purple with embroidered pink peonies on the hems of the collar and sleeves, a nod to his Jin heritage in the peonies and their color, but also to the Jiang in the color of the robe. Jiang Yanli is wearing a pink robe in the Jin hue embroidered with purple lotuses, an interesting counterbalance to her husband. It is perhaps a nod to visiting the bride’s home and the joining of family, but also one that allows them to stand out a bit less, perhaps looking like late-leaving Jiang wedding guests. They are accompanied by a contingent of Jiang cultivators, as well as a carriage drawn by a duo of nervous-looking horses, which will need to be hidden near the base of the Burial Mounds from any prying eyes.

As soon as they come into view, Jiang Yanli rushes through the ward to her siblings, fussing over Wei Ying’s health, though he has to disentangle himself to key Jin Zixuan through the wards. The latter bows in greeting, and he returns the gesture a bit awkwardly. Some of the Jiang disciples also need to be keyed in.

Once inside, Jin Zixuan only takes notice of Wei Qing and Wei Ning when Wei Ying introduces them, all eyes for his wife, and he bows to them to greet them as well as Lan Wangji and Jiang Wanyin.

Jiang Wanyin passes orders to his men, and Wei Ying tells them where the horses can be tethered.

“It’s where we kept the horses from the labor camp before we sold them,” he says, glancing at Jin Zixuan to gauge his reaction as the Jiang disciples handle unhitching the animals and unloading a number of qiankun pouches from the carriage.

Jin Zixuan simply nods, clearly unconcerned with the matter. Likely the fate of the horses was an afterthought, given the situation.

While they make the trek up to the settlement, Jin Zixuan thanks the siblings for rescuing and protecting Jiang Yanli and her brothers, outright acknowledging the debt, and even apologizing for his sect’s role in Wei Ning’s death.

“There is quite a bit I have been kept in the dark about,” Jin Zixuan says. “A-Li has asked me to discard my preconceptions and see the truth for myself. The rumors about Wei Wuxian have seemed a stretch at best, anyway.”

Wei Ying glances at him, clearly nonplussed since his main interactions with Jin Zixuan have involved physical violence.

“You’ve hit me, but I deserved it both times, and what any of us did during the Sunshot Campaign shouldn’t count against us,” Jin Zixuan explains when he sees the expression. “Except the noble acts of We— er, Wei Qing and Wei Qionglin, of course, but the things we had to do in wartime, to defeat Wen Ruohan…”

He breaks off with a shake of his head.

“We all did what we had to do,” Jiang Wanyin says, taking over. “And we’ll be discussing more about the why at the settlement.”

Lan Wangji catches Wei Ying’s shoulder when he stumbles over a root, keeping him from falling, and Wei Qing elbows Jiang Wanyin none too gently.

“You lot can handle that—Wei Wuxian needs his treatment, and we can reconvene at dinner.”

Blessedly, while Jin Zixuan looks curious, he seems to know better than to pry, and the rest of the trek is spent in an awkward silence.

As soon as they are within view of the settlement, A-Yuan breaks away from Popo and runs to greet his guma, but when he catches sight of their new visitor he skids to a halt so quickly he falls down, wailing and calling “Diedie, Baba!”

While the others freeze, clearly taken aback by A-Yuan’s reaction, Lan Wangji springs forward with Wei Ying to pick up their son before his husband can hurt himself. The child clings to them, sobbing and babbling about the “bad forehead man,” and he realizes he must be referring to the zhushazhi that identifies Jin Zixuan as a member of the Jin clan.

When Jin Zixuan tries to move closer and speak, clearly hoping to calm A-Yuan, the wails turn to terrified shrieks, so full of deep-seated terror that it hurts Lan Wangji to witness. He can see Wei Ying is similarly affected.

Wei Qing joins them while they try to calm him, Wei Ying trying to remind him that this is the good Jin that Jiang Yanli married, her lips pursed as she assesses the situation. A-Yuan is too beyond comfort for the words to reach him, in near-hysterics, and seeing him so distressed makes it clear how badly he was traumatized by what the survivors experienced in the labor camp.

Ultimately, she turns to Jiang Yanli and mimes wiping the vermillion mark away, and blessedly she does so after consulting with Jin Zixuan, her horrified-looking husband completely cooperative. Unfortunately, it does nothing to calm A-Yuan, and Jiang Wanyin quickly organizes the Jiang contingent to block Jin Zixuan from view.

By this time, Xiongzhang and the Nies have arrived, drawn by A-Yuan, along with Popo. Several of the refugees also gather, their expressions sad but devoid of surprise.

“Jiang Wanyin, can you handle updating Jin-gongzi while we handle this?” Wei Qing asks over A-Yuan’s crying, her exhaustion bleeding through into her tone. “Popo and our other guests will be able to help you, particularly Nie Huaisang with the yuefu. I doubt Wei Wuxian wants to be present for most of it, anyway.”

Fortunately, this is readily agreed to by all parties, aside from A-Yuan, who has broken into a coughing fit. By the time the others have left, he’s lost part of his lunch in the dirt and is a whimpering limpet in Lan Wangji’s arms.

“Diedie and Baba won’t let anything bad happen,” Wei Ying tells the boy, even though he’s beyond hearing, having cried himself most of the way to sleep, “and Qing-gugu and Ning-shushu won’t either. You’re safe, baobei.”

Wei Ying starts to use a sleeve to wipe A-Yuan’s face, paying no mind to the high quality of the clothing, but Wei Qing stops him, handing him a clean cloth from a pocket to use instead. He speaks gently and soothingly, just repeating that he’s safe, until the child’s eyes close, his breath hitching occasionally as though he’s still crying even asleep.

Wei Qing gestures toward the cave and Lan Wangji leads Wei Ying, rearranging A-Yuan in his arms so he can guide him by a sleeve, recognizing that this has shaken his husband. They didn’t know how deeply A-Yuan had been scarred in his time at the Jin labor camp, but this has made it very clear in a horrifying and unexpected way to all present. Though they spoke to the boy beforehand to make him aware of Jin Zixuan’s visit, all the warning in the world could do nothing to prevent his terror at just the sight of the zhushazhi, so deeply had he been traumatized.

“None of us could have known,” Wei Qing says as they enter the cave, “so don’t blame yourselves—I can practically hear you doing that, both of you.”

Lan Wangji knows full well that won’t prevent Wei Ying from doing so, and it will be a struggle not to blame himself, especially as he saw the wreckage of the labor camp. They both know what the rescued people here went through, but neither of them considered A-Yuan, with the boy so bubbly and bright.

They remove A-Yuan’s soiled and dirty outer robes, and Wei Ying helps him arrange A-Yuan on the bed, nestled in blankets, his touches gentle as though the boy is made of glass, and then arranges himself nearby after stripping to his zhong yi trousers, making sure he can hold one of A-Yuan’s hands as though to remind him he’s not alone even in his sleep.

Wei Qing’s treatment focuses on his hips, and by the end of it Wei Ying is asleep, as per usual, needing only for the blankets to be drawn up around him, something Lan Wangji does as soon as the last acupuncture needle has been removed. He shifts A-Yuan to be closer to Wei Ying, who instinctively puts an arm around the boy in his sleep.

“I’ll go handle our guests, and come collect you for supper—I expect we’ll do the swearing ceremony afterward,” Wei Qing says brusquely, running a gentle hand through A-Yuan’s hair in a way that belies her tone. “I’ll bring fresh robes for A-Yuan.”

She isn’t the type to offer potentially empty reassurances, and so Lan Wangji isn’t surprised when she simply gathers her supplies and slides the curtain shut behind her without another word.

Lan Wangji is left to the quiet of Wei Ying and A-Yuan’s soft breathing. He can’t help but feel off-balance, A-Yuan’s heartbreaking reaction unsettling. The worry is unavoidable, with one goal so close to being met and yet the relief tempered now with the revelation of the scars on their son’s psyche.

As difficult as it is, he must trust in the others, and so he sets up an inkwell so he can transcribe more of Wei Ying’s notes to put the next half-shichen or so to good use, as his place is beside his husband and son.

—————

So all the Auspicious Eight are at the Burial Mounds ready to swear siblinghood. And yet a wrench in the works: A-Yuan’s trauma triggered by seeing Jin Zixuan’s zhushazhi, the vermillion dot. I did research to figure out how it would be referred to—meta on Tumblr is amazing.

This was a necessary stopping point for this chapter, as it would’ve gone on another 3000 words and taken much longer to get out otherwise. I promise this fic isn’t abandoned, just slow to update as a result of having multiple in-progress multichapter fics and my health issues.

Unsurprisingly, comorbidities popped up in the health area. As expected, treating the primary ones revealed more that need to be treated. It’s a frustrating journey, but I have a wonderful team of doctors that I’ve put together and we’re slowly getting on track to recovery. Good news: I don’t have any markers in tests of other autoimmune diseases. Just the one.

baba - dad

baihua - commoner writing

baobei - baby

diedie - dad

jie - older sister

shichen - two hour period

xiong - brother

xiongzhang - older brother

yao, mo, gui, and guai - types of resentful beings, see Lan Qiren’s quiz of Wei Wuxian during the lectures

yuefu - type of poetry, see previous chapter

zhong yi - undergarments consisting of trousers and a shirt that tends to tie closed in front

zhushazhi - zhusha is cinnabar, and with zhi it becomes cinnabar mole

#the untamed #mo dao zu shi #mdzs #my fanfiction #wei wuxian #lan zhan #lan wangji #wei ying #a yuan #jiang cheng #jiang yanli #jiang wanyin #wen ning #wen qionglin #wen qing #lan xichen #nie mingjue #nie huaisang #jin zixuan #cql #chen qing ling #cql fic #cql fanfic #cql fanfiction #mdzs fanfiction #mdzs fic #mdzs fanfic #untamed fanfic #untamed fanfiction #untamed fic

[robininthelabyrinth]

One aspect I ABSOLUTELY love about time travel fics are when outside characters reacting to the time traveller. If you don't mind, I think it would be really interesting if post canon nhs and lxc time travelled and nmj is just in a state of "??????" the entire time. Btw can I say I've been reading your fics for a few months and I really like how you write and structure your stories. You know how to make any story so interesting and so compelling to read, always a nice delight to my day <3

Maybe they slept together.

Nie Mingjue was minorly horrified by the thought the first time it crossed his mind – that was his little brother and best friend he was thinking about – but after the initial refusal and resistance, he’d thought it over some more and the idea was starting to seem less and less crazy.

After all, something had to explain why both Nie Huaisang and Lan Xichen both simultaneously started acting incredibly weird, and Nie Mingjue was starting to run out of other possible explanations.

This one seemed to fit, though – as long as he assumed that they’d promptly gotten into a fight over it afterwards.

Yes, that fit. Nie Huaisang had suddenly gotten a lot more protective of him (as if Nie Mingjue needed his kid brother protecting him, rather than the other way around), and he was especially snarky whenever Nie Mingjue’s new sworn brothers were around, almost vicious about it. And Lan Xichen, who normally reacted to just about everything with patience and calm, was snarky back – it was getting to the point that even Jin Guangyao was starting to look to Nie Mingjue as if he had an answer, which he really, really didn’t.

It didn’t help that Nie Huaisang and Lan Xichen seemed to suddenly have a shared language all their own, full of oblique mentions and obscure references that seemed to mean a lot to the two of them but which were completely opaque to everyone else: something about turmoil? A Guanyin temple? Dongying being pleasant this time of year?

(Nie Mingjue hadn’t even known that Nie Huaisang had known that Dongying even existed as anything other than a source for dirty books!)

It was all jabs and quips and glares, yes, but rather notably it was all that within their own special couple’s world to which no one else was invited – not even when Nie Mingjue questioned them for an explanation, all his efforts met with reassurances that nothing was the matter and he had no cause for concern.

Yeah, right.

No, in short: they’d probably slept with each other.

“That’s what I figured as well,” Jin Guangyao said when Nie Mingjue mentioned his theory to him. He seemed discouraged, even disappointed – perhaps Nie Mingjue’s suspicion that Jin Guangyao had had a crush on Lan Xichen was correct. “A lovers’ tiff seems likely. You wouldn’t get that level of passion without it being something like that.”

Nie Mingjue shrugged, having no idea if that was correct or not. His Nie family tended to get to that level of passion over who had first rights to the last really good cut of meat.

“How’s it going with your father? Anything I can do to help?” he asked, forced out of the sheer awkwardness of the moment to try to make small talk, though from the surprised and pleased expression on Jin Guangyao’s face it seemed like he had taken Nie Mingjue’s words more seriously than Nie Mingjue had really meant them. Not that that was a problem – had Jin Guangyao somehow not realized that their sworn brotherhood meant that he could rely on Nie Mingjue’s assistance in things…?

Well, whatever. If it meant getting away from Lan Xichen and Nie Huaisang’s whole thing, he’d do just about anything, even go spend time with Jin Guangyao.

It wasn’t like the two feuding lovebirds would even notice they were gone…

#mdzs #nie mingjue #jin guangyao #lan xichen #nie huaisang #my fic #my fics #alt headcanons

[wolffyluna]

Fic authors self rec! When you get this, reply with your favorite five fics that you’ve written, then pass on to at least five other writers. Let’s spread the self-love 💞

Ten of Swords, Silmarillion, Tar-Miriel/OFC about the fall of Numenor. It's one of the first ~novel-ish lengths things I wrote, and I still love Zimrazagar, the King's man who falls in love with Tar-Miriel. I also love the tragedy and apocalypse vibes

Stained Glass Variation of the Truth, TGCF, a Mu Qing centric post canon Xianle trio fic. This started from a kernel of "I want Xie Lian to tell people about book 4, except he is never, ever going to do that" and ended up becoming about Mu Qing's relationship with Xie Lian and how it's coloured by his time as a servant.

it deepens like a coastal shelf, MDZS, a Mo Xuanyu & Nie Huaisang & Jin Guangyao fic. I have so many emotions about Mo Xuanyu and the way Nie Huaisang manipulated him. I also, relatedly, have so many geology metaphors that can fit in this baby.

A Fermi Estimation of Devil Possession Prevalance, a WKTD fic that asked both 'what would these girls be like once they were a bit more grown up?' and also 'can I write a post yellow ending fic that Venus survives?' It's got statistics! Spiritual experiences during Satanism! Being convinced for several years that your friend is dead!

hai gynaikes, tois idiois andrasin hos to kyrio, a DSMP Quackbur royalty AU. I was kind of torn about which mcyt fic to include here, but it's gotta be this one. Sometimes, you just so happen to be inhaling elections arc DSMP at the same time as a book about Dark Age queens, and you end up creating something very specific about power and who can directly have it, gender, and Medieval Catholicism.

I'm tagging @arofili, @chocochipbiscuit, @corviiids, @earlgraytay and @coldwind-shiningstars, and anyone else who wants to play this game!

[tbgkaru-woh]

I love your Nie Huaisang, he's so pretty!! I love the scheming pretty man so badly. Are there any Huaisang ships you like? I don't necessarily ship Wei Ying and him but I do think they got drunk and made out at least thrice

thank you ♥♥ the usual SangCheng was a ship i really enjoyed alongside chengxuan, jiang cheng has two hands and all that (well, actually i don't really do poly-shipping, it's more that i like those ships for him in different periods of time or scenarios, for someone who doesn't seek or like romance, jiang cheng is BOOKED.) just nhs pulling jc out of his shell, jc begrudgingly following nhs or listening to his wet dreams or something equally ridiculous, nhs being the same loud but compassionate presence that wwx used to be. them getting lcose during gusu days and then parting and then later down the line, with everything that happened, huaisang is still there, still the same, the one stable thing that hasn't change and jc would just kinda fall into his arms for an ounce of comfort, knowing nhs won't tell or make it weird. i really enjoyed wwx and nhs' friendship and they have big fuckbuddy energy before they go in their respective directions (wwx to lwj and nhs just stays free but "occupied" with different partner each time). really enjoy the shameless cockiness of them, i had a fic planned that's basically just big orgy of everyone to "strengthen" the alliance bonds and seeing as there's members like lwj, jzx and jc, wwx and nhs were the ones to brea kthe ice and get it all going :D i had a lot of fun with that idea but sadly it didn't get far as i'm already neck deep in near-done WIPs I can't seem to finish :')

i've never quite gotten into niecest and not because i'm against fictional sibling ships, i don't see the IT factor in the dynamic on a romantic way despite really enjoying them being protective of each other and understanding the visual appeal. I guess I enjoy them more where each of the brothers have their quirk, one is this playful slut (/postiive) and one bagged the forbidden fruit that is lxc, it just makes up for a fun dynamic :'D but i think i may be convinced if someone brings up a good idea

i also like nhs and jgy in their dnyamic BEFORE nhs learned about jgy's schemes, i liked jgy being the only peer for nhs and being gentle with him, even though nhs is this little lordling and jgy is basically their servant of sorts (SORRY IF I MISUNDERSTAND THE CANON DYNAMIC BUT THIS IS THE DYNAMIC I LIKE) and nhs talking to him like peer-to-peer and opening up and them covering for each other from nmj etc. i really enjoy that ;v; nhs needing jgy more than jgy needs nhs but it's fine, jgy is a giver. going from this comfort to how they grew apart, with jgy gone nhs's quarters grew quiet and cold and then jgy not acknowledging him much once he made it into jin's high status, nhs learning of jgy's crimes later on, it's just the good kind of heartbreaking.

my guilty pleasure is also nhs and jzx, not only because i love zixuan, but also because i enjoy the idea of the two lordlings meeting up since childhood for pleasantries and nhs always giving jzx's bad behavior the benefit of the doubt because not only is he not judgmental, but also he can understand where jzx is coming from. nhs trying to loosen jzx up as someone who's his peer and not "beneath" him, be open with him and often poke at his prudish inexperienced side when it comes to relationships :') nhs slowly including jzx into his problem trio (wwx-nhs-jc), him and wwx making jzx do something illegal during their gusu days and then having a laugh riot about it. idk, i feel like nhs is greatly compassionate when it comes to this and also i think he could acknowledge jzx's qualities or his good looks. publicly, in front of his friends, often.

#nie huaisang #jiang cheng #jin zixuan #jin guangyao #wei wuxian #nie mingjue #hcs #hc

[lgbtlunaverse]

Chapters: 2/5

Fandom: 魔道祖师 - 墨香铜臭 | Módào Zǔshī - Mòxiāng Tóngxiù, 陈情令 | The Untamed (TV)

Rating: Explicit

Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence

Relationships: Lán Huàn | Lán Xīchén/Mèng Yáo | Jīn Guāngyáo/Niè Míngjué, Lán Huàn | Lán Xīchén/Niè Míngjué, Mèng Yáo | Jīn Guāngyáo/Niè Míngjué, Lán Huàn | Lán Xīchén/Mèng Yáo | Jīn Guāngyáo, Minor or Background Relationship(s)

Characters: Wen Qing (Modao Zushi), Nie Mingjue, Lan Huan | Lan Xichen, Meng Yao | Jin Guangyao, Nie Huaisang, Wei Ying | Wei Wuxian, Original Characters

Additional Tags: Polyamory, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Accidentally A Fix-It, Threesome - M/M/M, Porn with Feelings, Porn With Plot, a truly ridiculous amount of setup for what is really just a porn fic, this is the absolute fastest I can get to sex and it’s still like 10K words I’m so sorry, Dom/sub Undertones, Bottom Nie Mingjue, Submissive Niè Míngjué, Top Lán Huàn | Lán Xīchén, Top Mèng Yáo | Jīn Guāngyáo, Dominant Mèng Yáo | Jīn Guāngyáo, nieyao get locked into a game of gay chicken and they both lose, Denial of Feelings, as well as, Orgasm Denial, medically prescribed orgasm denial, Inappropriate Use of Gūsū Lán Forehead Ribbon (Módào Zǔshī), YES beta we live like Nie Mingjue will in this au, Spit As Lube, but only once they learn their lesson quickly enough, Anal Sex, Oral Sex, Intercrural Sex, Spitroasting, frankencanon but like 98 percent book canon

Work summary:

“And what is this treatment?” “Dual cultivation, with another male cultivator. As the non-penetrating partner.” Wen Qing mostly expects Nie Mingjue to dismiss the idea out of hand. From what she’s heard, he’s largely uninterested in sexual manners altogether. She just hopes he can be calm about it. Instead, Nie Mingjue chokes on his tea and turns bright red. Wen Qing carefully re-evaluates her earlier observations about lack of interest.

Or: Nie Mingjue needs to bottom to prevent a qi deviation.

How convenient, then, that he has two sworn brothers to help him!

Chapter 2 summary:

Jin Guangyao visits the Unclean Realm, and wonders why his sworn brothers are acting strange.

He gets his answer soon enough.

#mdzs #the untamed #cql #nie mingjue #meng yao #jin guangyao #lan xichen #nie huaisang #3zun #nielan #my fic #fic writing #A Safety Concern

[thebiscuiteternal]

Just a little question for you: What do you think would happen if because NHS spent so much time at Cloud Recesses (his student years and during Sunshot campaign) that he accidentally called LQR “a-die” like the ancient Chinese equivalent of calling your teacher your mom/dad? How would NMJ, LXC, LWJ and LQR react to this? Like let’s say he did it so casually like a slip of the tongue and the words didn’t register for a hot second

Hm. From what we're shown in the assorted canons, their relationship is too negative for it to happen as an innocent accident, and Huaisang isn't suicidal enough to do it sarcastically...

But...

Ooh.

Evil idea.

What if... it were to happen in the context of anger? Say something riles up Lan Qiren enough that he is very snappy and erratic (would probably have to be something worse than Wei Wuxian-irritation, since Nie Huaisang took getting hit with a flying book mostly in stride) and maybe even gets to the point of blood from the mouth or nose and oh, no, no, no, Huaisang knows exactly what that means, because he watched it happen to his actual dad for months.

Cue minor panic attack and slip of the tongue.

(And cue some heavy-duty angst for Nie Mingjue and Lan Xichen when they realize why that slip of the tongue happened. Maybe Xichen starts stepping up his duties to try and take some of the weight off shufu so he won't get so stressed again. Maybe Mingjue has to take his brother on a short trip so they can talk because he realizes what happened to their father messed Huaisang up more than he thought it had.)

#mdzs #nie huaisang #nie mingjue #lan xichen #lan qiren #ideas

[withthewindinherfootsteps]

Warning: very long post under the cut!

If there’s one thing most people can agree on, it’s that Nie Huaisang is a very interesting character. We see him introduced as a laid-back, somewhat incompetent Sect Heir who’s not interested in what they’re supposed to be doing, we see him in the present as a Sect Leader and he’s still like that… until he’s not and that’s completely turned on its head. We don’t know how much of his yiwen sanbuzhi/Headshaker persona is an act, and how much is in some way genuine, or when it was that he adopted it deliberately — straight after the death of Nie Mingjue? A long time after? He hides himself so well that at the end of the book, we don’t even know for certain if he was responsible for what happened to Jin Guangyao — not even the narrative can condemn him, even if we can be pretty sure that was the case outside of it, since MXTX likely wouldn’t open an avenue for heavy character depth and not intend for us to venture down. 

And there’s another mystery around Nie Huaisang, and it’s this: how did he figure out that Jin Guangyao was the one behind Nie Mingjue’s death?

We’ll never know for certain — the narrative will never confirm it. But what we can do is look at what we know, see what could have happened, and venture down the path that gives that narrative the most value. While still making canonical sense, of course, both in regards to the character’s personality and situation.

And it sometimes strikes me that two of the things we do know is that Nie Huaisang is interested in the arts, and that his brother was killed using music. We also know that he was somewhat close to Lan Xichen (being sworn brothers by proxy -- at least I assume this, judging by the way he refers to Jin Guangyao and Lan Xichen throughout the novel, but I'm not Chinese and I don't know how sworn brotherhood works, some clarification would be great), the person who taught Jin Guangyao the Song of Clarity. 

...You may see where I'm going here. So let's talk about the more objective thing first — whether this would be possible, or likely, considering Nie Huaisang's position and actions in MDZS.

Almost immediately, we run into some problems. I've searched for every mention of Nie Huaisang's interests I can find, and there isn't much, if anything, to indicate he's a musician. Jin Guangyao says he's interested in painting and calligraphy, and when his things are brought out to be burned, we see "fans", "paintings" and "porcelain" -- no instruments or musical scores anywhere.

However:

Jin GuangYao, “Our second brother said that he gave you a guqin.”

The guqin was given when Lan XiChen was here to play Sound of Lucidity for Nie MingJue, in order to help him calm his temper. Jin GuangYao continued, “Brother, in the past few days, the GusuLan Sect is at a critical point in its reestablishment of the Cloud Recesses and you refuse to let him come, which was why he taught me Sound of Lucidity. I assume that even though I’m not as skilled as our second brother, I’d still be able to help calm you to a certain extent, Brother.”

Nie MingJue, “Just take care your own things.”

Nie HuaiSang, however, was rather interested, “Brother, what song? Can I listen? Let me tell you, the limited edition that you gave me last time…”

Nie MingJue shouted, “Go back to your room!”

- Chapter 49, EXR

Despite not being a musician, Nie Huaisang does seem to own some scores (even limited editions*!), and be somewhat interested in music**. More importantly, he's interested in the specific song that would eventually be used to kill his brother. Additionally, since musical cultivation is prominent in the world of MDZS, and especially so in the Lan sect where Nie Huaisang studied for a while (longer than the other guest disciples, and he mentioned not passing last time, so he’s studied there before), Nie Huaisang has probably had lots of exposure to music and musical cultivation before, especially with his brother being sworn brothers with Lan Xichen and spending a lot of time around him.

Another thing to note, though, is that Nie Mingjue doesn't seem to want to tell his brother about the song at all (probably because of the status of his relationship with Jin Guangyao). But Nie Huaisang is nothing if not sneaky — if he’d wanted to listen to it, he probably would find a way. 

So, with all that in mind, we can see two possibilities of how Nie Huaisang could have figured out Jin Guangyao was behind Nie Mingjue's death by using his potential knowledge of the Song of Clarity.

One scenario is that Nie Huaisang does end up hearing the version of the song Jin Guangyao plays. We know Jin Guangyao played his version of Cleansing in the Unclean Realm, we know (or are pretty certain that) Nie Huaisang spends most of his time there, we know Nie Huaisang was at some point interested in the song that Jin Guangyao played (albeit not how deeply, so don’t use that as irrefutable evidence), and we know he’s very sneaky when he wants to be.

So, it’s very possible that this was the case, and possibly even on multiple occasions. And we’ve already established that Nie Huaisang probably does have access to the true version of cleansing via Lan Xichen. With this in mind, it’d possible that Nie Huaisang heard Jin Guangyao play his version of the song, not finding it suspicious at all… until Nie Mingjue died. Maybe at that point he started to look back on what Jin Guangyao played, maybe he was distraught over the death of his brother (extremely likely, especially considering how he reacted when Nie Mingjue was qi-deviating) and somebody (likely Lan Xichen) even played the correct version of Cleansing to calm him down a little, or soothe him after, you know, his brother and only real family member died and he was forced to take the position of something he clearly didn’t want and wasn’t expecting in the slightest. And maybe he heard that, and subconsciously (or even consciously) looked back on those times Jin Guangyao used to play for Nie Mingjue and thought… hey, wait a second. Something’s not quite right there.

Remember, this is what Wei Wuxian theorised about why Nie Mingjue never realised that the tunes Jin Guangyao and Lan Xichen played were different:

“(…) In front of you, he was clearly playing the correct version of Cleansing. ChiFeng-Zun wasn’t someone passionate about the arts. He had heard you, Sect Leader Lan, play Cleansing before and knew the overall melody of it. Thus, Jin GuangYao didn’t dare straight up play to him the dark song and instead took trouble to combine two songs of different styles with opposite uses. And he combined them so well. They sound as though there were the same. His musical talent is indeed excellent. I’m guessing that he used little spiritual power in the Cleansing sections and only exerted power in the section of The Collection of Turmoil. After all, ChiFeng-Zun wasn’t familiar with this method of cultivation, so of course he wouldn’t realize the fact that Jin GuangYao had already changed one of the sections into a dark, life-taking tune!”

- Chapter 64, EXR

Both reasons (in bold) we’ve established are either definitely (interest in the arts) or probably not true (familiarity with musical cultivation) for Nie Huaisang. He could have easily compared the two, and figured something was up with Jin Guangyao, and it was likely related to his brother’s death.

The other scenario is that Nie Huaisang already suspected something was happening to his brother, and Jin Guangyao talking about the song he was playing for Nie Mingjue confirmed it and also confirmed who was culpable, as, again, musical cultivation is a common thing in this world, and it’s not just used for good. This could also be why he was interested in the song Jin Guangyao played for him and asked to hear it, despite not having shown any explicit interest in music beforehand (that we know of). Again, he does have a connection to Lan Xichen, if he’d wanted to ask about the actual Song of Clarity to see how it compares, he very well could have (yes, it is a secret Lan technique, but Lan Xichen remarks on how it would be “selfish” to keep such a benevolent technique to himself, and also that it isn’t really breaking secrecy when sharing it with a sworn brother. For the latter point, I’m not sure if the latter mindset would extend to Nie Huaisang too, but he is Nie Mingjue’s brother so it isn’t impossible, and the former mindset would still be at play). 

This should be taken with a grain of salt, as we don’t really have any indication that Nie Huaisang suspected something, and he did genuinely seem to be surprised by his brother’s change in temperament:

If only Nie HuaiSang were like Wei WuXian and could feel how great Nie MingJue’s rage was, he wouldn’t grin in such a bold way. He protested, “Brother, the time is up. It’s time to rest!” Nie MingJue, “You rested just thirty minutes ago. Keep on going, until you learn it.” Nie HuaiSang was still giddy, “I won’t be able to learn it anyways. I’m done for the day!” He often said this, but today Nie MingJue’s reaction was entirely different from his past reaction. He shouted, “A pig would’ve learnt this by now, so why haven’t you?!” Never expecting Nie MingJue to burst out so suddenly, Nie HuaiSang’s face was blank with shock as he shrunk toward Jin GuangYao. Seeing the two together, Nie MingJue was even more provoked, “It’s been one year already and you still haven’t learnt this one set of saber techniques. You stand on the field for just thirty minutes and you’re complaining that you’re tired. You don’t have to excel, but you can’t even protect yourself! How did the QingheNie Sect produce such a good-for-nothing! The both of you should be tied up and beaten once every day. Carry out all those things in his room!” The last sentence was spoken to the disciples standing by the side of the field. Seeing that they had gone, Nie HuaiSang felt as though he was on pins and needles. A moment later, the row of disciples really did bring out all the fans, paintings, porcelain from his room. Nie MingJue had always threatened to burn his room, but he had never actually burned them. This time, though, he was serious. Nie HuaiSang panicked. He threw himself over, “Brother! You can’t burn them!”

- Chapter 49, EXR

However, three important things should be taken into account — firstly, Wei Wuxian is seeing this scene from Nie Mingjue’s memories, and therefore from his point of view. Neither of them know what Nie Huaisang is actually feeling in this moment. Secondly, Nie Huaisang is a master of hiding behind a mask, especially one derived from genuine personality traits he had/has, and genuine feelings he’s felt in the past, and I’m pretty sure he would be feeling horrified if Nie Mingjue was burning all the things he’d gathered over the years — regardless of whether he suspected something or not, nearly the things he’s feeling are probably genuine. Thirdly, Jin Guangyao himself is present in that scene. If Nie Huaisang did heavily suspect him, that would be a very strong incentive to keep some sort of a mask on. And just in general, we have no idea how long he’s been using the Headshaker persona deliberately, or when he started. We think it’s after Nie Mingjue’s death, but we really have no idea, and he could have already been playing into it at this point, especially considering that at this point he has lived through a war.

I’m not actually sure which theory I support more — the first seems slightly more likely, but the second is more cohesive and requires less assumptions (we only need to think about how Nie Huaisang in this scenario began to suspect that something was happening to his brother, which admittedly is a big thing, but at least part of it could be that Nie Mingjue was clearly acting more and more aggressive to him. It should be noted that this could just be some background suspicion though, not necessarily supported by any evidence until Jin Guangyao mentions the song he’s playing, which could have turned that from a vague suspicion to a likely theory). And with that said, I’d love to hear which one everyone else thinks is more likely, or even if there’s another possibility I haven’t thought of. …But, now that we’ve established that this is possible, in some way, shape or form, let’s talk about narrative value.

I’ve left this last, because it is very subjective. But another thing we know about Nie Huaisang is that Nie Mingjue was not supportive in the slightest of his brother’s interest in the arts.

He greeted Jin GuangYao again and again as he grabbed the fans in haste. Seeing how his younger brother reacted, Nie MingJue was so outraged that he almost found it amusing. He turned to Jin GuangYao, “Don’t send him those useless things!” In a hurry, Nie HuaiSang dropped a few fans on the ground. Jin GuangYao picked them up for him and put them into his arms, “HuaiSang’s hobbies are quite elegant. He’s dedicated to art and calligraphy, and has no propensity for mischief. How can you say that they’re useless?” Nie HuaiSang nodded as fast as he could, “Yes, Brother is right!” Nie MingJue, “But sect leaders have no need for such things.” Nie HuaiSang, “I’m not going to be a sect leader, though. You can be it, Brother. I’m not doing it!”

- Chapter 49, EXR

(And there are a lot more instances in these flashbacks, including much more… overt demonstrations — *cough cough burning his things cough cough*)

We also know that it was the arts in some form that killed him.

So how narratively satisfying, how ironic would it be, if the thing Nie Mingjue discouraged Nie Huaisang’s interest in — the thing he said was useless, that sect leaders had no need for*** that made him a “good-for-nothing”, to quote directly — was the very thing that allowed Nie Huaisang (and only Nie Huaisang for a very long time) to find out who was responsible for Nie Mingjue’s death? How ironic would that be, when we already know that lack of knowledge about the very thing Nie Mingjue had discouraged his brother’s interest in ended up being the thing that killed him? How satisfying would that be if it was a two-way street?

I repeat: it is possible. It’s not confirmed, but it is possible, and adds value to the narrative. Just like Nie Huaisang being behind it all in the first place.

After all, there are so many mysteries surrounding Nie Huaisang. Why can’t we try to solve this one?

—

*I do find it a little suspicious that Nie Huaisang has limited edition music from Jin Guangyao, considering Jin Guangyao’s past of messing with music and making it all blend seamlessly. But I can’t really imagine him giving Nie Huaisang a copy of messed-with music, in case that somehow reveals his culpability, despite how harmless Nie Huaisang seems to him, and despite the pages being torn from the Collection of Turmoil. So I’m willing to believe it was a limited edition thing for now, and won’t include that in this theory, because it’s too much of a stretch.

**This interest could be because it’s something to do with his brother, but seeing as one of his immediate requests is to listen to the song, I'm inclined to think what I said here.

***To be fair, he was right here. Nie Huaisang may have shown himself to be very capable as a person, planner and manipulator, but as a sect leader? He didn’t try very hard at all, and none of his skills in the arts are going to help with that.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #mdzs meta #in a way #though i guess mdzs theory would be the better term #nie huaisang #nie mingjue #jin guangyao #we love our little morally grey headshaker #(especially from an analysis standpoint) #my meta

[whumpbby]

I think my problem with LWJ is that I love him in his teen years and when he’s being stuck between protecting WX and his clan, but I find his grown up version unappealing. I liked him being conflicted and having to make serious choices with consequences. I don’t like him leaving his brother alone after his own traumatic conflict without even looking back. Hell even WX in the extras asked LWJ if they should check on his brother to which he just kind of shrugs. I hate that it feels like any loyalty he had to anything outside of his relationship with WX has evaporated. He’s not like other MXTX leads he has someone else who needs him that he’s ignoring and it just feels wrong, especially with how tortured we saw WX and JC’s separation was for them both. He goes from an interesting character to a blank lover and it’s a down grade.

Yep, that's kinda my opinion too.

I actually love him in the Gusu-arc. He's so weirdly repressed and helpless to make this strange boy make sense! To make his own feelings make sense! He struggles with himself and his feelings and what he knows should be appropriate way to deal with it, but somehow isn't. I cheered and cackled when the porn book happened to him and his virgin eyes!

And then he just...stops being that. He turns into a Love Interest and that's his whole role.

Does he have friends? Does he have duties in CR he has to preform? Is he the first disciple?? Does he even talk to anyone there at all apart from his brother and his young ward???? Like, where is your life Lan Zhan? You're meant to be the half of the main couple, where is your life??

After the Nightless City, JGY took control of the richest sect around, got married, got and lost a kid and did some murdering. Nie Huaisang was inventing a cruel and unusual punishment for the murderer of his brother, and failing at running a sect. JC built a sect from the ground up and raised a kid. What have you been doing, Lan Zhan? Apart from going around and fighting stuff, and being a periodical dick to JC, what was his life about in the time he apparently 'got over his loss'?

I wrote before that I wish these years between his seclusion and WWX being back were spent by Lan Wangji on regaining his standing in the sect and the respect of the Elders. That it would be amazing to see him facing the choice of getting his place back or 'here we go again' with Wei Wuxian. Wei Wuxian who, as far as Lan Zhan knew, didn't like him all that much.

Does he go back to his stoic life or change it all on the man he fell in love with as a boy? Is he the copy of his father after all - trailing after an uninterested person to soothe his own feelings? Does he slowly start to figure your that while his crush is not perfect, a lot of things just went very wrong for everything to go to shit so badly and he doesn't want it to happen again? Does he think that while his brother is in pain, he still has support of their uncle and the clan, while Wei Wuxian once more chose to walk alone and he wants to follow???

Give me something ffs!TT

I'm not gonna lie, nine out of then times I prefer Lan Wangji in fanfics than in the canon. The writers usually add character he is solely lacking in his post-ressurection iteration.

#mdzs #lan wangji #i wish he was weird

[tavina-writes]

2, 12, 42 for Nie Mingjue for the character ask? :)

Da-ge! Beloved and amazing and regularly slandered :(. 2. A canon or headcanon hill I will die on

NMJ has hobbies. WWX does not know what those hobbies are, but they exist and they're probably regular rich gongzi hobbies. I will regularly and routinely die on this hill when it comes to NMJ bc that passage in the book everyone likes to cite about "he only does horrible cultivation and wants to behead Wens" doesn't even say that. If I don't get very salty about people saying whatever they want about NHS I DO regularly and routinely get extremely salty about people saying stuff about Da-ge so I will regularly and routinely die on so many hills about him, but that's the hobbies one I think is pretty typical of me. :D 12. Crack headcanon

Idk what entirely counts as crack, but I headcanon that NMJ collects teapots. And incense burners. And incense. And is actually really into aromatics. Do I have any support for this? No but CQL NMJ did give LQR a zisha incense burner on the very first scene where NHS appears and zisha porcelain is more commonly made into teapots so I will take "Da-ge's collection of teapots and incense burners" with me wherever I go! 42. 3 comfort items

Most enduring headcanons regarding comfort items is that NMJ must have 1) something from his mother, 2) something from his father, and 3) something from Huaisang and he was originally buried with all three of these things. :)

1.) something from his mother

Headcanon that Madam Nie was a devout Buddhist, and probably carried a string of white jade prayer beads, that probably resembles something like this:

2.) something from his father

Headcanon that he inherited the incense burner hobby from Papa Nie, so there's probably a stick of amber incense somewhere that he isn't burning for reasons that also gets buried with him later.

3.) something from Huaisang

I like to think that baby Huaisang once gave him a cicada shell (properly harvested!) from a tree outside one summer and he's kept it in a box ever since and knows that Huaisang would be DEVASTATED if anything ever happened to it. The dichotomy between fragile and preserved bc it was LOVED anyway really gets me about these sorts of things.

:D thanks for the ask!

#nie mingjue #asks and answers