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jollyrolls · 1 year
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i saw the micro-fic event for prongsfoot going on and wanted to participate too. But i am not much of a writer. @prongsfoot-microfic will rough sketches also count?
Day 25 - Braids. Here, Sirius lost a bet and so James is donning him in Slytherin colours and attaching little silver and green flags in the braids he is making.... in hindsight, I should have coloured this as it doesn't make much sense otherwise...
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quodekash · 2 years
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Bromances Are Romances
the only true bromances to exist are jercy and prongsfoot and thats final.
edit: ALSO REYNICO THEYRE A TRUE BROMANCE AS WELL THANK YOU @kkgg FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO ME
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ecoamerica · 22 days
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sebbianas · 8 months
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Hey!!😊
first of all i love your jegulus exes famous au and second can you tell my which are your favourite romantic ships(other than jegulus,wolfstar and prongsfoot)and favourite friendships?
hiii im glad you love the au 🫶🫶🫶
im gonna list down all my ships and brotps
for the ships
jegulus
wolfstar
prongsfoot
ravenrock (peter+benjy)
nobleflower
flowerbox (pandora+lily)
rosekiller
blackrose (reg+evan)
seameadows (marlene+dorcas)
for the brotps
the whole marauder
moonwater
starbox (dora + reg) honestly the whole skittles
bartylus
moonflower
the slytherin chaser duo (james and marlene lol)
blackinnon
jily
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5 & 23 for self-rec fic ask please <3
5. A fic to make you laugh
Thank you for the asks! I’m choosing Have Yourself a Merry Little Wolfnoote which is a Wolfstar fic where James & Prongslet (aka tiny wingman Harry James Potter) meet with success in their attempted matchmaking of two stupid men (aka Uncle Blithering Idiot Remus & Uncle Clueless Fool Sirius) 🥳🥰
23. A fix with your favourite line
I’m not sure I could decide because there’s a few (we all get a bit sentimental about our marauders, don’t we?) but let’s just go with my favourite prongsfoot brotp line which is from Boys Don’t Cry which is a Prank fic exploring why Sirius told Snape about the Whomping Willow. I love their friendship so much:
“You’ve got me. I’m your brother now,” James said, quietly, confidently.
Sirius clenched his jaw. He would not cry, Merlin, damn it.
“You’re not my brother, Potter,” he said.
Dismissively, coldly.
He watched a flicker of hurt cross James’ face, replaced by something else.
“I know that,” James said. “But you’re mine.”
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snapeingturtle · 11 months
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Rating some of the Marauders era / snera™️ ships (ships involving ppl the Marauders and Severus went to school with) I've been exposed to because I'm drunk and feeling spicy. Romantic ships only, I have different opinions on the brotps. I could talk about this all night but I chose not to make a long post.
Disclaimer: this is heavily influenced by headcanons I've convinced myself are canon and generally my opinions. Not in order from best to worst because I am drunk and I'm not proofreading this.
Prongsfoot/Starbucks/James x Sirius 10/10. James is just as inobservant as Harry. Of course he didn't notice that Sirius had a crush on him. James didn't even notice he himself was into Sirius. Love it.
Jily/James x Lily 2/10. In my heart Lily is a lesbian. Jily has some potential as a comphet storyline where they're both actually gay and think of each other as the man/woman they're supposed to like. Other than that it's a no from me.
Wolfstar/Remus x Sirius 1/10. Unpopular opinion again, I know. I see Remus having a one-sided crush on Sirius before the prank, but honestly I'm a Ronks stan because I can project my insecurities on Remus and have been in love with Tonks for years and I hate the idea of them being in a relationship with anyone else but each other. Plus, I really don't see Sirius committing and definitely not to Remus. Sirius is a bachelor for life and I identity with that. Another reason to dismiss this ship.
Snily/Severus x Lily 1/10. The only reason I don't rate this at 0 is because they're one of my favourite brotps. She's gay and not his type, they're sister souls, just look at the doe patronuses, they found security in each other like does in a herd etc. and I hate it when people say there were romantic feelings involved. I could accept this with fem!Snape though.
Starchaser (wtf is this name)/Jegulus/James x Regulus 4/10. I think it's funny to have James falling in love with his best friend's brother. I don't have any negative feelings about the ship itself. HOWEVER. As someone who has been exposed to Jegulus content despite not looking for it and Snily content despite not looking for it. Jegulus feels like m/m Snily for people who hate Snape. The content (I've seen) has the same vibe and I cannot get over that.
Remus x Lily 3/10. If I were able to see Lily as not a lesbian I would love this, not as an endgame thing but more as a teen romance that ended on ok terms before they both moved on. No strong feeling about this tbh.
Snegulus/Severus x Regulus 4/10. They're definitely not in love but they're both sluts so they probably fucked and it was probably hot. That's all.
Lily x Mary MacDonald 3/10. I would consider this as another one-sided crush situation. Mary is the token straight in their dorm and that's unfortunate for Lily.
Snucius/Severus x Lucius 8/10. They're not endgame. But they fuck. I refuse to consider Sirius calling Severus Lucius's lapdog anything but calling him his sugar baby. I don't rate this higher because Snucissa is better than just the men.
Lily x Pandora Lovegood 10/10. I don't know if they ever interacted or if they even went to school at the same time but I'm in love with the idea of them together.
Severus x Mulciber 3/10. Another one-sided crush sitch. Snape was infatuated with Mulciber at a certain point, Mulciber (forgot his first name sorry) knew and took advantage of it. That's Snape's slut origin story.
Snupin / Severus x Remus 3/10. They would never date. Doesn't fit my fantasy or the reality of their relationship. But hate-fucking in one of their offices while Remus is employed at Hogwarts? I see that. I dig it.
I also headcanon Dorcas as queer but I don't see her with Lily but I don't have any feelings about that ship in either direction so 3,5/10 maybe?
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rosemelodyshah · 11 months
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I saw @moonynpads doing this and decided to make my own
Harry Potter Ship Tier List
My opinion
OTP: Prongsfoot
Love: Marylily, Hinny, FleamontxEuphemia
Cute: Deamus, Dorlene, Fralice,
Like: Nuna, Bleur, Lavrati, Tedromea Drastoria, AuthurxMolly, Harmione
BROTP: Romione, Wolfstar, Remily, Huna, Niny, Jily
Okay: Grindledore
Ehh: OlympexHagrid, Jeddy
Cringe: Bellamort, Rovendar, Vikmione, Charry
Can't see: Dramione, Dron, Drarry, All ships which has Sibling/Sibling, All ships containg overage/underage, Snilly.
Hate With a passion: Jeverus, Jegulus, Romantic Jily, Romantic Wolfstar, blackinnon, Romantic Snilly.
I have repeated Wolfstar, Snilly and Jily with romantic because I truly can't see it and honestly can't stand it. I also can't stand Jegulus and Jeverus.
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abihastastybeans · 8 months
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Gimme Sirius Black! 💜
Hey Anna💜
Favourite thing about them
His loyalty, his love for Harry, his ability to be sane after all that he's been through, his snark, him standing up for what he believes is right, etc etc
Least favourite thing about them
Sirius has never done a wrong thing in his entire life
Maybe biting Ron's leg? :p
Favourite line
"It's been fourteen years. And still a day doesn't go by I don't miss your dad."
broTP
Even though i like to ship Lilypad, I really like the Black-Evans Brotp as well! They both loved James, they both had similarities that they didn't have with James... I like their dynamic!
OTP
I don't really have an OTP with Sirius 😐 But for the sake of this ask -> Prongsfoot (James/Sirius)
nOTP
Sighhh what can I say. I don't like Sirius/Kingsley Shacklebolt. Yeah that'll do
Random Headcanon
It's a pretty flexible headcanon but i HC Sirius as Aromantic.
Unpopular Opinion
A major part of the newer Sirius Black fandom only likes him because he is hot and is a man. Ofcourse, there are some people who genuinely get his character and like him for that, but you can't deny that that's the case here
Song i associate with them
Wearing the Inside Out by Pink Floyd 🥲
Favourite picture of them
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I can't find a clearer picture but this scene ways gets me. Harry is so scared and then you can see just in this moment in Sirius' eyes that he desperately wants to help Harry, that he loves him so much :(
Send me a character and I'll answer these questions
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soloorganaas · 1 year
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ANSWER ALL OF THEM. 1 to 10. go.
could wave an israeli flag around the old city on jerusalem day and it would be less messy than this
okay from the ones i haven't already answered
Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP? you know im mostly a platonic prongsfooter EXCEPT i am extremely passionate about the fact they are soulmates and neither jilly nor wolfstar would exist without that friendship and no one understands this like you or i do <3
Any fandoms that don’t appeal to you? not fandoms per se but sections of fandoms. the jegulus fandom seems like a toxic mess im not going near that. the reylo fandom for obvious reasons. tbh anyone who thinks the sw sequels are good. you are wrong. and that super judgy section of the sw fandom (which ive only seen on tiktok) who spend their time passive aggressively preaching about how obikin is a sin. you're boring. take the mature approach like me and yell in a way that is hilarious forthright and most importantly correct
Have you ever unfollowed someone? Why? i fucking hate slutty remus and/or sirius i hate it. i hate it so much. i have unfollowed people for their posts with this hc and i will continue to do so
Unpopular opinion about [insert fandom here]? a lot of hanleia fic is still too cishet in its dyamics. i mostly only read fic from mutuals in the discord or stuff they rec bc otherwise i end up tiptoeing into fic that is so sad and repressed it makes me wonder if the writers were asleep during any scenes featuring iconic bisexual han solo
Have you received anon hate? What about? i have literally never got a single hateful anon from either the hanleia or the wolfstar fandom with the exception of two really shitty ao3 commenters on a grave mistake. i can only assume this is due to the quality of my takes and/or followers. BUT i used to talk about israel on here so. lol. that was a different experience
Any fandom you’re ashamed of being in? i still have a glee wip on my ao3 and i am fully planning on finishing it and you know what i have absolutely no defense
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stargazing-enby · 1 year
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1, 2, 6 and 7 for the ask game. I had to control myself and don't send all the numbers 😂 Thank youu! 💛
Hahahahaha you're just gonna have to hope other people ask me the remaining numbers 😂 thanks for the ask! :3
1. What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get?
So many of them, let's see... (assuming OTPs here means popular ships) I don't get Dramione, Harmione, Scorose, Blackinnon... (is anyone else seeing a pattern here lol). I'm sure there's more, but I can't recall them now
2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?
Jeddy for sure, and prongsfoot (is that ship considered popular? Lol)
6. Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you?
Hmm... I didn't like the ship to begin with, but as I said a few days ago, fandom made me particularly dislike Blairon. I'm sure there's some more ships fandom has ruined for me, but, tbh, canon has ruined way more pairings for me than fandom ever has (not just HP, I'm thinking Voltron too 😂)
7. Is there anything you used to like, but now can’t stand?
There's things I used to love and now I only like ironically/for shits and giggles, like Twilight, but... If I had to name something fandom-related I used to like but now can't stand, it would be Gayle/Katniss from Hunger Games 😬
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artemisia-black · 2 years
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2 and 6 for salty asks!
Thanks for the ask.
2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?*
Wolf-Star, although I've read many a good fic with them in.
But personally, I see them as (very toxic) friends who are united by trauma and loss. Sirius doesn't leave penniless Remus, anything in his will and that's shoddy behaviour towards the love of your life.
6. Has fandom ever made you enjoy a pairing you previously hated?*
I never hated it, but I can be persuaded on Prongsfoot. I can also be persuaded on Snack.
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solis-angelus · 2 years
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Lily: I'm not hooking up with James.
Sirius: no one is judging you, Lils. Prongs is tall, kind and surprisingly well-muscled.
Lily: I'm not hooking up with James but I'm starting to think you might be.
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maraudersftw · 3 years
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Fashion Disaster Chapter 6
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Day 6 AKA The Golden Sequins
Some more idiocy here. A bit of prongsfoot bromance. Lots of fluff. Banner credits to the wonderful @the-dream-team​ ❤❤
Second last chapter, and I'm a little emotional!
P.S. To the anon who asked me what's wrong with FD: you have more material now
Summary - James Potter is roped into an awful dare by his best-mate, which involves him wearing atrocious pieces of clothing for all days until Christmas as dictated by Sirius. If this wasn’t terrible enough, he now has to contend with his maddening crush on the beautiful saleswoman at the clothing store.
Read Chapter 6 on: AO3 || FFnet
Read from the beginning
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sunshinemarauder · 3 years
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Hi, I absolutely love your writing! I was wondering if you could write #39 Fluff from the list you just posted?
First of all, THANK YOU SO MUCH! I don't get anon asks very often so this means a lot, you're so sweet <33 Secondly: sure!! Prompt: “You’re safe now, I’m here.” Technically you never specified if this is for a specific ship, so I'm writing James & Sirius friendship drabble :) Also, I hope this counts as fluff! I suppose it has a little angst too but the comfort in hurt/comfort outweighs the hurt.
The last thing James Potter was expecting on a sunny Friday in July was for his best mate to come tumbling out of the fireplace.
He'd been occupying his thoughts in the way he knew best; Quidditch. Of course, his mother would never allow him to bring his broom indoors, so James resorted to catching and recatching the snitch he'd nicked from Hogwarts. Its pale wings fluttered weakly as it darted away from his hand only to be recaptured, tucked away in his calloused palm.
He lost count of how many times he opened and closed his hand, catching the snitch just a breath before it would have flown out of reach. His thoughts were, for a moment, put on a backseat. He was quite good at Quidditch, but not good enough that he could simultaneously play with a snitch and have an intelligent conversation with himself.
It was quite refreshing, actually, to be away from his thoughts for a few minutes. Contrary to popular belief, James Potter did enjoy quiet. Sometimes. Not many people knew this about him, but that didn't mean it wasn't true. There was more to him than surface appearances; he wasn't just an arrogant Quidditch star. He was brave, he was worthy, he was a decent person.
Lily Evans knew nothing about him, he reminded himself.
You're just as bad as they are... her voice echoed in his mind.
Gritting his teeth, James closed his hand over the snitch, more rough than usual, willing his traitorous mind to quiet. If neither Quidditch nor his snitch would keep his thoughts away from Evans, what would?
The answer came via Floo, tumbling onto the antique red rug lining the fireplace, in the form of Sirius Black.
Sirius was sprawled on the carpet, unmoving for not even a second before he pulled himself up to his feet and hobbled over to the olive green couch opposite from James.
"Padfoot?" James asked, confused. "I thought you weren't allowed to come over the summer?"
Sirius looked up and James, who hadn't gotten a good look at his friend yet, blanched.
His eyes were sunken and red-veined, his face pale and drawn, his normally exquisitely styled hair chopped halfway off on one side. There was a large circular hole in the arm of his shirt, revealing pink, blistering flesh. His clothes were covered in soot and he looked awful.
"Are you alright?" James asked anxiously, standing automatically and striding over to the couch Sirius sat on. "Mate, what happened?"
Sirius still said nothing, his eyes blank and unfocused, and James tried to calm the rapidly spreading panic in his chest.
"Sirius," James repeated. "Say something, please."
When he received no answer, James decided that he would have to take matters into his own hands. After making sure that Sirius wouldn't die in the next five minutes, he practically ran out of the room, out of the house, and into the garden behind their manor, not even taking a moment to appreciate the beautiful rose bushes and trailing vines of ivy, starkly bright against the cobbled white stones.
"MUM!" James shouted, hoping his voice would carry to wherever his mother was. "Sirius just came here, he's in an awful state, please hurry!"
Knowing he couldn't afford to wait any longer, James turned on his heel and walked at a brisk pace on the path leading back to the manor.
It was one of the nicest days of the year. The sky was a lovely shade of blue and the flowers were painted in vivid neon colors. Even the brown soil seemed brighter under the warm glow of the sun.
But James didn't notice any of this. For all he knew, it could have been mid-winter, a blizzard raging on around him, and he wouldn't have known because the only thing on his mind was the sight of his best friend shivering on his couch.
He knelt beside Sirius' unmoving form on the couch, pulling out his wand and pointing it to where a circular-shaped ring of flesh on his arm was burnt an ugly red-brown.
"Vulnera sanentur," He murmured, watching as a thin layer of freshly pink skin stretched over the wound. It was the best he could do; he'd never been as great as Healing charms as Sirius had been. Unfortunately, Sirius didn't seem to be in any state to cast the charms on himself, so it fell upon James to do it.
Technically, James wasn't supposed to use magic outside of school. He still had another year to go before he was of age, but at least inside Potter Manor, the Trace didn't pick up on his underage magic.
Euphemia Potter swept into the room just as James finished muttering 'scourgify', watching as the soot lifted from Sirius' clothes and trying not to think of the last time he used this charm.
("You're just as bad as they are!")
"James! Sirius! What in Merlin—" Euphemia started, already kneeling beside James, her wand out, a dozen spells likely on the tip of her tongue. With a flick of her wrist, the shoddy job he'd done on Sirus' wound was fixed, and the skin there, while pink and raw, looked good as new. She waved her wand again and Sirius blinked once, twice, and looked at James as if he was actually seeing him for the first time.
"Prongs?"
"Padfoot," James said in relief, trying not to show his worry and desperation in his tone. "Merlin, finally you're listening to me. What happened? Is it your nutcase mother?"
At his words, Sirius' face darkened imperceptibly, a blink-and-you'll-miss-it type of moment. Euphemia missed it; anyone else who was sitting there would have missed it.
James did not miss it.
"It was your nutcase mother then," James noted, slightly awed.
Euphemia glared at her son sharply before turning her attention to the shivering gray-eyed boy before her.
"Would you like a cuppa, dear?" She asked Sirius gently, placing her hand over his. He nodded, so she called their house-elf Dipsie to the sitting room and asking her to make Sirius a warm drink.
When Sirius was properly settled with the mug in his hands, two Conjured blankets draped over him, Euphemia quietly asked him what happened.
"Ran away," Sirius said casually, projecting an air of false confidence and bravado that most people took at face level.
James did not, because he of all people knew what it was like to force confidence that he did not have. He knew the signs of insecurity behind the chinks in armor, and he could see that Sirius' metaphorical armor was barely held together.
It was evident in the way his gaze was averted, fixed upon the fireplace, the way his hand tightened slightly on the mug he held, the way his head dropped while he said the words but his chin lifted the moment they were done, haughty as ever.
Euphemia, on the other hand, sucked in a breath, eyes widening. She didn't know Sirius as well as James did, but he thought his mum might have special 'motherly instincts' that somehow revealed the truth to her.
"You ran away?" She whispered anxiously, lifting one dainty brown hand to pick up the second mug of tea Dipsie had left her. Her hand shook slightly, just the smallest tremble, but James noticed. It wasn't the first time. He always noticed.
Silently, he took the mug from her hands and placed it on the ground beside his thigh. The flames of the fire danced against the dark red carpet, casting their shadows across the faces of Euphemia and Sirius. Strangely, it did not make it uncomfortable or dark. In fact, it almost felt like sitting in the Gryffindor Common Room late at night with Sirius and Remus and Peter, eating smuggled food from the kitchens and laughing until they couldn't breathe.
A quick glance in Sirius' direction showed him that maybe he wasn't the only one reminiscing.
"Couldn't take it anymore," Sirius said calmly. His voice was suspiciously level, as if he was taking great pains to keep any emotion out of his voice. "To answer your question, Prongs, the final straw was my nutcase bitch of a mother."
James could see that Euphemia barely refrained from clicking her tongue at the language, perhaps knowing that it didn't matter at all when Sirius Black was here on their couch, looking more vulnerable than she had likely ever seen him.
"Did she hurt you?" Euphemia asked, pressing a finger to the fabric on his arm below the circular hole in the shirt.
"I—" Sirius cleared his throat, and he was evidently unable to keep the emotion out of his voice. "Told them I was leaving— screamed it, more like— and she tried to get in a good hex or two before I could be out of there."
This time it was James' turn to suck in a breath, albeit a quiet one. He could never imagine his own mother burning the flesh of his arm. Merlin, he'd never even been hexed by her. The closest she'd done was silencing charms when he was younger and prattled on and on about some topic or the other, but she always lifted the jinx soon.
He'd always known Sirius had an awful family, but the amount of revulsion he held for the Blacks nearly shocked him too.
"You're never going back there," James said fiercely.
"Correct," Euphemia said firmly. "You'll stay with us. I'll send Fleamont over tomorrow to get your things. This is your home now."
James watched as Sirius' lips parted, his expression frozen in shock, and he opened his mouth as if to say something, before pausing and closing it again.
"Thank you," He said finally as if he was deciding on what words to use. "I'll be out of your hair by next summer, I just— I didn't have anywhere else to go. Sorry for barging in like this."
"Nonsense!" Euphemia said sharply. "You're family, Sirius. This home will always be open to you, and we hope you'll stay with us even once you're of age."
"It wouldn't be fair if I had to stay and Sirius didn't," James added, wrinkling his nose to add to the theatrics. He made his voice louder and more dramatic, an easy grin splitting his face. "That would be preferential treatment, and you and Dad always said you couldn't pick favorites between your sons."
James knew the emotion the word sons would evoke; the foggy eyes, bobbing of the throat, and fingers-to-temple told him that he was correct.
"Thank you," Sirius repeated, smiling slightly. "Really, I can't express how grateful I am—"
"Shut up," James said, ignoring his mother's frown. "I'll reconsider having you as a brother if you keep prattling on about idiotic things that nobody cares about."
The word brother sent his heart soaring, and James could see that it did the same for Sirius based on the way his eyes lit up.
"You're a git," Sirius replied, and James grinned in relief, glad that Sirius was back to joking around and faux-insulting him.
Euphemia, too, seemed relieved; this was the Sirius she'd grown to know through James. She'd never seen him as vulnerable as he was now.
"James, why don't you show Sirius to your room?" She suggested.
James grinned and stood up, offering his hand to Sirius.
"Come along, brother. Welcome to your new home."
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Hey! Grape/blueberry??? For the ask game 🥰
🫐 What’s your favorite underrated thing in your fandom? (A ship that only you seem to write for, a character there’s almost no fics about, a trope that criminally hasn’t been written yet, etc.)
@cymraegremus thank you!! 💗💗💗
That’s a very difficult one!
A ship ? Well I started writing Minty (Monty x Mia Potter) about 2 years ago and now I find that apparently other people are shipping them? 🤷‍♀️😂
A character there’s almost no fics about?
A trope? Not sure does this count but I’d say maybe Remus and James’ friendship? I think Prongsfoot brotp is very popular and so is both Blackevans brotp and moonflower brotp but James absolutely 💯 % believed in Remus and never suspected him of being the spy (“would have regarded it as the height of disloyalty to mistrust his friends”) and financed him during the war etc - and Remus probably acted as a total wingman for Jily and gave James advice and listened to his oblivious pining etc… I think that there are so many opportunities to focus on this friendship?
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mollymarymarie · 3 years
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The Road Not Taken? 😉🥰
Welllll juuuust because i like you so dang much - a little Prongsfoot 😉
“Your plan is shit, you know,” Sirius mumbled, his face still pressed to the same cushion, tickled by the same loose thread. He scratched his nose, fingernail catching on the edge of his nose ring.
“What plan?” James asked innocently and Sirius rolled his eyes.
“You named us both godfather of the kid, so we’ll have to interact, and you think we’ll fall in love all over again and that is total and utter bullshit.” Finally, he pulled himself up from the couch, throwing his long, lawless hair over to one side of his face and wishing he’d dug an elastic from his bag to tie it up.
“I’ve no idea what you’re talking about,” James said sweetly, holding Sirius by the face and kissing him hard on the cheek, which Sirius pretended to be disgusted by (though he was actually extremely pleased to see that things really hadn’t changed between the two of them). “Good God, I missed you. Ask Lily when she gets back, I mean, it was nauseating. I knocked her up just so you’d come home to visit.”
With a loud laugh, Sirius wrapped his arms around James’ throat, squeezing just enough to make James’ breathing slightly more audible before he eased off. “Oh, no, I believe it. Because it is nauseating if you think trying to force me to spend time with Moo– Remus is going to make me want to stay.”
With a soft gasp, James’s hands shot to his face. “Oh my God, you just called him Moony.”
“No the fuck I did not.”
“The plan is coming together.”
“Fuck you, no it isn’t.”
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Part of me sort of wishes that Harry had named one of his sons James, and the other Sirius, so that they really could be the brothers that their namesakes defined themselves as
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