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alicentsaegon · 9 months
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From a character perspective I can't fathom WHAT Rhysand's motivation/endgame was. Feyre was going to die. THE BABY WAS GOING TO DIE. Feyre's pregnancy was doomed from the begging because of the wings, and apsolutely nothing could be done. Rhysand himself was going to die. What reason did he have to hide it from his mate. To avoid making her sad? So having her bleed out confused is somehow better. He's immortal and has not had a wife or children for centuries despite being High Lord, surely he could wait a few more. The need for an heir was not urgent. Like what was the POINT does SJM not have an editor or anyone with reasonable thinking ability to advise her against this entire plot
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foxylady13 · 4 months
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I think a lot of people continuously overlook the GOOD Nesta did during the series and only focus on her "hateful attitude". Sometimes actions show more than words and Nesta is an action girly.
ACOTAR- She tried to protect Feyre in the market. She went after Feyre when Tamlin took her. She essentially told Feyre to go and save Tamlin and not to worry about them. She was ready to marry someone to help have one less mouth to feed for Feyre. She chopped wood for two days in a row.
Also, I think this quote is important from book 1 from Feyre about Nesta:
"I looked at my sister, really looked at her, at this woman who couldn't stomach the sycophants who now surrounded her, who had never spent a day in the forest but had gone into wolf territory.... Who had shrouded the loss of our mother, then our downfall, in icy rage and bitterness, because the anger had been a lifeline, the cruelty a release. But she HAD cared - beneath it, she had cared, and perhaps, loved more fiercely than I could comprehend, more deeply and loyally."
ACOMAF - She wasn't in here much but both her and Elain opened their home to Feyre and the IC for the war purposes when they were taught their whole life to be scared/fear the fae and ended up turned against their will for their efforts which is incredibly traumatic.
ACOWAR - Nesta helped with the Queens and the High Lords. She helped Feyre and the whole Raven attack thingy. She participated in the war and almost died trying to save Cassian and then beheaded Hybern. She then helped tend to the wounded and dieing. She really had no time to sort through her own trauma during this time either since she was looking after comatose Elain and in a place where she didn't want to be.
ACOFAS - We see her drowning in her trauma. She can't even take baths (which Feyre had said in ACOWAR she'd help with as she never thought about how the Cauldron affected them). She is invited to party with rent money held over her head (despite the fact she had a job as human emissary during the war so where is the money promised to her from accepting that job from Rhysand?) While there, Feyre remarks how uncomfortable Nesta is but doesn't both to wonder why, and come to find out fire bothers her because it reminds her of her father's neck snapping RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER. Cassian runs after her and even though she wants to be alone she's hounded and is seen as the bad guy for not taking his gift. A gift he proceeds to throw away, like a child, into the water because she didn't take it...At this point she just wanted to be left alone and they kept hounding her and not respecting boundaries she was putting up.
ACOSF - She is still drowning..she is forced into the HOW (feyre said she'd be tied and thrown there essentially so it wasn't really a choice) where she has to walk down 10,000 steps (which she physically/mentally/emotionally could not do so she was essentially a prisoner since no help was offered by feyre and Amren own words and let's not forget those same steps were used as punishment for Rhysand and the bat boys)..she starts training though and finds her own found family in Gwyn and Emerie. She helps the IC multiple times with things in ACOSF to and even saves Rhysand, Feyre, and Nyx very lives. She even says sorry to Feyre and Feyre doesn't hold anything against Nesta, not even telling her about the babies wings because at least she told her. We also find out she tried to write letters to others to help during their poverty times and her boots weren't as new as Feyre made then out to be showing Feyre as an unreliable/biased narrator.
All in all, I wouldn't say Nesta is an absolutely terrible horrible nasty person that is beyond redemption or forgiveness.
She is a woman who has been traumatized from a very young age starting with her mother/grandmother to being turned fae to PTSD from war/her father and doesn't know how to cope so she lashes out (which is a VALID TRAUMATIC RESPONSE) to push others away because she HATES herself more than anyone else does. She knew lashing out was wrong but didn't have the tools/upbringing to know healthy responses. It's really not until Gwyn and Emerie came along and showed her UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that she began to change and learn better and new healthy coping mechanism to let go of the bad ones.
Now, I'm not saying her trauma response was good or acceptable or excusable, but I do think she deserves some grace and compassion given all she's been through herself. Trauma is not a comparison game after all and we all experience and cope differently. Just like these characters.
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aquafaith · 3 years
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My lengthy, angry ACOSF rant review.
Spoilers, TW for mental, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse.
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I loved ACOTAR. I still love ACOTAR. I always will love ACOTAR. But every book afterwards made me give up more and more. ACOMAF romanticized an abusive relationship and assassinated characters for the author's convenience. ACOWAR was a bunch of boring and inconsequential death scares. ACOFAS was all-round dreadful. And each book kept shitting on and pushing away Lucien for no reason.
I'd like to preface this by saying I hated Nesta too. I hated the way she treated Feyre in ACOTAR especially, and I wasn't even too excited for this book because I wasn't that keen on Nesta as a character.
Nesta's POV and her backstory changed my perspective. It does not excuse her actions. All Nesta stans can hold these characters accountable for what they do - trauma is a reason, not an excuse. I, and many others, sided with Nesta because of the way she's treated by everyone else in this book. Also, if you're going to hate Nesta for not teaching Feyre how to read and letting her hunt at fourteen, (which I did, and are very valid things to hate), AT LEAST hold Elain accountable too.
This book. This fucking book.
Shall we start with the intervention? Feyre on her little power trip thinks that her boyfriend that hates Nesta and Nesta hates back, Nesta's ex-best friend, and her possible mate who she never talks to should be at this stupid fucking intervention??? Excuse me???
Remember in ACOMAF when Feyre wouldn't shut up about how rich Rhysand is? Feyre literally has four or five houses and is always talking about how much jewelry and lingerie she can afford because Rhysand is so rich??? Well, Nesta has a few shots. So you know what Feyre does? Humiliates Nesta at this "intervention", TEARS DOWN HER HOME, and forces her to go to the Illyrian training camp.
That was the god awful premise for this book.
Did you think Elain wasn't there because she was against the "intervention"? Nope! She was packing Nesta's belongings without permission.
Remember in ACOMAF when it's made a big fucking deal that locking up a traumatised woman is extremely damaging? Well, when Nesta decides she doesn't want to be in Illyria, Feyre locks her in the House of Wind. Nesta can't fly, so her only way of leaving is down the TEN THOUSAND STEPS, that Feyre KNOWS Nesta isn't capable of climbing.
Feyre's pregnant. In ACOFAS she randomly decided that she wanted a baby to remember Rhysand by if he dies. Which doesn't make any sense because they made that stupid fucking death pact in ACOWAR. It's just SJM superimposing her pregnancy onto her early 20's protagonist. Ignoring the fact that Feyre isn't ready for a baby and Rhysand CERTAINLY isn't, and with a war just ended and another looming and so much trauma and a DEATH PACT are all such horrible circumstances to bring a child into, Feyre is already pregnant. Remember when SJM made a big deal about Fae babies being so hard to conceive, and Feyre said in ACOFAS they wouldn't have to worry for a long time because it can take years to conceive your first Fae child? Well it's been no more than 3 or 4 months and Feyre's already pregnant. Yep.
Also the birth will kill her. Because of course it will. Rhysand KNEW this, and still agreed to try for a baby.
There's no solution. Abortions don't exist for some stupid reason, and a C section would apparently kill Feyre?
(Wasn't this book supposed to be about Nessian?)
In ACOWAR, Cassian was on the battlefield with his entrails around his knees. Someone had to literally hold his guts in for him, and he's fine, but you're telling me a C section would kill Feyre?
Don't worry, this is just setting up the AWFUL ending to this book.
ACOSF amounts to Nesta being gaslit into believing her abusers are right. Her friends and family slut shame her and shame her for her lifestyle constantly. Cassian says it took him decades to work through some of his trauma, and he tried to drink and fuck it away too, but suddenly when Nesta does so it's heinous? Nesta's barely twenty five and she's expected to cope better than these ancient immortals.
Hell, didn't SJM write ACOMAF? Nobody expected Feyre to pick herself up so quickly. The IC (excluding Rhysand) respected her boundaries for the most part and understood when it was grief, trauma, and turmoil that made her angry, sad, want to be left alone, etc. But that's all forgotten here.
Amren also compares Nesta to the people in, and says she belongs in, The Court of Nightmares. You know, the murderers, abusers and rapists? This innocent woman who had a few shots and a bit of sex is on par with them, apparently!
The sex scenes.
SJM is scared to say vagina so she says sex.
She says seed to mean semen.
Apparently the word cunt turns SJM on. I just found Cassian saying that kinda cringe because I'm Bri'ish so the word cunt really isn't a big deal.
Back to the baby killing Feyre, because this is definitely what we all wanted from this book as indicated by the change in covers and format and title... Rhysand decides not to tell Feyre. He tells her friends and family, and tells them not to tell her.
SJM loves sweeping Rhysand's abuse from the first book under the rug and claiming it's always about Feyre's choice... where is that here, MAAS? WHERE IS IT?
Anyway, when Nesta rightfully decides to tell Feyre (although it is kind of out of spite), Rhysand threatens to kill Nesta.
And I believed him. With the way he treats his """mAtE tHaT hE lOvEs sO mUcH""" and all the people he's mindlessly killed before, do you really think he wouldn't kill the person who gave Feyre an inch of autonomy?
So what does Cassian do? His lover who he cares deeply about and suspects is his mate has received a death threat from tHe mOsT pOwErFuL hIgH lORd iN hIsToRy.
Cassian simply gets Nesta out of the court.
EXCUSE ME?
He doesn't breathe ONE word to Rhysand about this. This Illyrian WARRIOR who fought with his GUTS HANGING OUT didn't dare step up to the hIGh lOrD who he considers his brother and sparrs and fights with all the time?
Cassian literally does nothing.
Was it not Rhysand himself who said Mated males are dangerous? Can kill anyone who looks at their mate? Can be dangerous simply leaving the house? Rhys and Feyre both pull the Mate card to justify their bad actions on the other's behalf... and Cassian just tried to get Nesta out of the court?
Also, this High King bullshit.
I swear to fucking god, if SJM DARES to make this abusive, power-tripping, mOsT pOwErFuL hIgH lOrD eVEr, husband-insert of hers hIgH kInG, I will fight her in the street.
My beloved Lucien is in this book. Only for him to be used and shat on.
I really liked it when he calmed Cassian down with just a look though. Yes please fox man.
Helion is also in this book. Nothing to do with Lucien.
Eris is also in this book. ERIS. Lucien's eldest brother. The same one who abused him for years, but according to SJM he's slightly better, because at least he didn't agree to kill Lucien's lover. He betrayed his daddy that one time, therefore Eris is good. Y'know, the same Eris who abused Mor? Left her laying on the Autumn Court border with a nail in her womb? Well SJM is going back on her own canon to redeem yet ANOTHER abusive male, while continuing to demonize Tamlin for things he only happened to do when SJM decided the villain from the first book was sexy.
Nesta and Cassian are Mates.
Remember when Mates were supposed to be a rare and sacred thing? Now SJM dishes them out like Oprah.
I don't want these characters to be mates. I want to see them slowly fall in love. But SJM is incapable of writing that so she forces them together with the mAtInG bOnD. That's literally the only basis for most of these relationships, Feysand especially.
The only relationship where the bond would make sense is between Helion and The Lady of Autumn. Who still isn't named. But I will die on the hill that they're mates, I can feel it between them.
I wanted someone to die in this book. I predicted that it would either be Helion or Tarquin, but Tarquin isn't even in this one.
And the ending.
SJM can't write a decent climax, so she kills both Feyre and Rhysand for the second time. Yep.
The baby is being born which stupidly kills Feyre, and thankfully takes Rhysand with them.
Nesta decides to save them. Bad choice. But she decides to save them! Because she's so powerful and she ATE THE CONTENTS OF THE CAULDRON and she's CONNECTED TO THE MOTHER.
Do you know what happens.
Nesta loses her powers.
NESTA.
LOSES.
HER.
POWERS.
The powers we've hardly seen, the powers that were briefly mentioned and used ONCE in ACOWAR, then we saw like two flashes of in this book? They're GONE now. GONE SO NESTA CAN SAVE HER ABUSIVE SISTER AND ABUSIVE HUSBAND WHO ABUSES THEM BOTH.
Nesta is just an Amren now. They both fought for their powers, and had to give them up to save people who didn't deserve it. Now they're anticlimactically trapped in powerless bodies.
Also, and I can't BELIEVE I didn't originally include this - do you know what else Nesta TRADED HER POWERS FOR?
Illyrian anatomy so she can carry Cassian's baby one day.
EXCUSE ME?
I am so fucking SICK TO DEATH of the narrative that every woman needs a man and children to be happy. SJM clearly loves this because she's literally only keeping Amren and Nesta alive now to be sex objects to their partners and nothing else seeing as their POWERS WERE RIPPED AWAY FROM THEM, and now NESTA TRADED THOSE POWERS TO HAVE A BABY SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW SHE WANTS? Nesta does NOT strike me as a motherly type. She's the wine aunt, she and Cassian are the couple that go on holiday a lot and and babysit their nieces and nephews, but nope. Nesta HAS to have children.
The Feysand baby is called Nyx. That's just so underwhelming, you go from these huge, multiple syllable names like Amarantha and Morrigan and Lucien to Nyx? I get it's supposed to be unique but it's not even meaningful. It's just more shit-flavoured icing on the hAHa nIgHt uWu cake. I prefer Renesmée.
Nesta is wrong somehow. She says she's sorry as she's saving them. FOR WHAT? For being a little rude to Feyre as all sisters are? And rightfully hating your sister's abuser?
Oh yeah, remember in ACOWAR when Nesta took care of a comatose, starving Elain for months? Elain is randomly okay now because she takes care of her mental health the stereotypical way of baking cakes, and not drinking and fucking, which she shames Netsa for.
Remember the slut shaming, demeaning comments that the whole iNnEr cIrClE made about Nesta? They all expect apologies from her. For some reason.
Nesta has done nothing wrong. She coped with her trauma and minded her business in her own ways, and she's expected to apologise to the people who control and emotionally abuse her.
Nothing that any of these characters did to Nesta is right. Nesta wasn't okay at the end, this wasn't Nesta's healing story. This is Nesta being shamed and degraded until she submits.
Oh I can't believe I forgot to write this in my first draft of this review, do you know how Nesta "overcomes" her grief about her Father's death and her conflicting feelings about him and his life and her guilt? When she visits his grave for the first time, she takes Nyx.
NYX.
She holds NYX up to the grave and talks about how it's his grandson.
GO AWAY YOU STUPID DEMON BABY THIS IS NOT YOUR BOOK.
Speaking of, it's revealed that Nesta was abused by her mother and grandmother in this book? Something we were all looking forward to is seeing more of the Archeron's mother seeing as Feyre was so young when she died, but... nope. She gets a few vague mentions, and this newly revealed abuse is entirely glossed over. Nesta was also actively groomed by an older man at 14. But SJM glosses over this because of course she does.
Finally, the bonus chapters.
My edition came with a bonus chapter from Feyre's POV. It was pointless and I hated it.
There's another bonus chapter from Azriel's POV. Once I'd finished this book, he was one of the few characters I still harboured a shred of respect for.
Then I read his bonus chapter.
This exists to purely objectify Elain.
Whether you ship Elain with Azriel, or Lucien, or neither, this chapter is disgusting. He thinks about her coming on his tounge, and other things simply just to please him.
He then dares to suggest that "the Cauldron picked wrong" in choosing Lucien as Elain's mate?
No Azriel, SJM picked RIGHT in not giving each Archeron sister a bAt bOy.
Rhysand does the only right thing he's ever done by telling Azriel to stay away from Elain, but then he has to ruin it by clarifying that it's only so they can manipulate and use Lucien more.
Oh, and Azriel wants to kill Lucien.
Need I remind you that Lucien respects Azriel? Lucien is another victim of the Night Court's needless, baseless torment, and Azriel is no exception.
Lucien stays well out of Elain's way because she makes it clear that she's not interested in a mate, but Azriel wants to kill him simply for being her mate.
Lucien has done nothing. And I mean literally NOTHING to warrant any of this treatment. From the bAt bOyS, from Feyre, from his family, from SJM, from the deluded part of this fandom that think he's done wrong. NOTHING.
All I liked about this book was the Lucien scenes (which is a given), ((although I hated the way everyone talks about him behind his back)), Nesta's relationship with the house, Emerie and Gwyn, the evidence that Gwynriel is endgame and subsequently Elucien, and the book love. Everything else was horrible. Oh, and Nesta hates Rhysand. I love that for her, because everyone else bows at his feet.
Oh yeah, when Nesta DARES suggest that Rhysand is an "arrogant, preening asshole" which I think is a compliment, Cassian can't take Rhys' cock out of his mouth for one second, and has to get mad at her for having an opinion. Don't even get me started on Azriel in that scene.
If each book after ACOTAR made me slowly give up, this book made me give up altogether. I cannot go on to support this victim-blaming, abuse-forgiving, misogynistic series. I've given up on SJM, and the only characters I care about anyone are Lucien, Nesta, Helion, and Tarquin. I'll continue to read this series to see if SJM redeems herself, but I'll be downloading them for free. I'm not giving this piece of shit any more of my money.
I hope we don't get the Lucien book. I don't want her to slaughter my fox in the way she slaughtered LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE.
Thanks for listening.
Edit: I put the review on Goodreads!
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kayla-2 · 3 years
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Feysand pact is a terrible pact because of what it was rooted in. It’s not romantic, I didn’t swoon, I never quote it when I’m thinking of my favorite feysand moments, most dont, it’s not a cute trope and it’s not suppose to be. It was a pact made out of tramua and desperation and would later have deadly consequences.
At that point in acowar, when the pact was made (it’s ridiculous to bring up children as they were not planning or pregnant at the time) feysand had barely known each other for a year and not only fell deeply in love but saw each other died. And neither died from natural causes, avoidable fights, or anything. It’s always one of them saving the world. It was always doing what’s right
Both characters explain clearly the agony they felt and we literally saw feyre loose her mind. Rhysand describes always having something he loves taken from him. Like, use context when understanding characters decisions.
We explicitly read how impossible it is for fae to live without their mates. This is when stans have to start applying the fantasy element of a fantasy book. Mating is a strong and powerful bond. That even if broken, fae can still be in agony for the rest of their lives. Humanly, yes it’s dumb, but these are fae, with lives connected to the others forever. Literally. We’re not feeling that here in the real world
Feysand not wanted to feel or go through that trauma again is very normal and not something that should be criticized.
But, them leaving the night court, who are their only responsibility at the time, can be criticized. Because they let their emotions and trauma overtake their leadership roles. Personally, I wouldn’t give a fuck about responsibility and leadership if someone close to me, like my mother died over and over. If I had a chance to leave with her, I would. But to each their own.
But imagine Rhys trying to lead the nc with feyre gone? What type of leader could he be? He was about to unleash his powers when she was dying in acosf.
Rhysand and Feyre are well aware of their inability to live without each other and acted accordingly.
It’s also hurts because feyre did die again, expect Rhysand saw his baby and wife die. Do people NOT think this stuff is traumatic? It’s horrible, SJM can’t come up with another plot point than death, so we have to let characters action be influenced accordingly.
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woodland--fae · 3 years
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If I were SJM writing ACOWAR I would have dramatically changed the outcome of Rhys’ resurrection.
Ok. Time for another ACOTAR rant because I just can’t help myself.
One of my biggest complaints about this series is how the main characters are never faced with threats that actually threaten their power. While they may battle insurmountable odds, the reader comes to expect that they will achieve their goals unscathed and with dramatic flair. Rhys, Feyre, and the rest of the IC are blessed with immense power, even better looks, and an author who thinks they are perfect in every way. 
The characters are so perfect that they can die and be resurrected with virtually zero consequences. SJM has made them invulnerable. 
Don’t get me wrong. I hate when beloved characters die in a series, but it is equally frustrating when characters “die” and are then resurrected within minutes at seemingly no cost. Dramatically, this takes away from the emotion of the moment and cheapens the initial sacrifice by making it seemingly moot. 
What am I referring to? Rhysand’s death (or lack thereof) in ACOWAR. 
If I were SJM writing ACOWAR I would have dramatically changed the outcome of Rhys’ resurrection. The price of his sacrifice for Feyre should come at the cost of his High Lord powers. We know, according to the lore that SJM herself has written, that when a High Lord dies his power automatically transfers onto another. We also know that in ACOWAR Rhys is dead. I know Feyre talks about an essence of him holding on through their bond, but for all intents and purposes he is dead. If the other High Lords don’t offer up part of their life-force, Rhys remains dead. It’s as simple as that. Therefore, during those moments before his resurrection it makes sense that the High Lord powers of the Night Court would transfer onto a new High Lord. 
I get so excited thinking about this twist for multiple reasons. 
I love the idea of Rhys’ love for Feyre and his people manifesting in his self-sacrifice. We know that Rhys is devoted to his people and to Feyre. He has also made sacrifices for his court in the past. This ultimate sacrifice reinforces this characterization. Furthermore, the loss of his High Lord powers is compelling because it proves that Rhys was willing to give up his immense power for the ones he loves. Since Rhys willingly sacrificed himself in ACOWAR, we can make the assumption that he knew his power would end up transferring to someone else upon his death. In contrast to other fae who put power before everything else, Rhys would stand out as willing to give up everything for love. This makes Rhys more likeable and less of an arrogant asshole who gets what he wants when he wants because he is all powerful. I for one am not impressed by how he is seemingly the most powerful High Lord in Prythian for…reasons. It’s cheesy, and makes the main characters literally invulnerable. It makes the story boring and frustrating and gives the characters no room for personal growth. Why grow when you already have everything? I think it would be more interesting for readers to see how he and Feyre adjust to life without his High Lord Powers. Who is Rhys without his godlike powers anyway?  Which leads to my second point.
If the High Lord Powers of the Night Court are transferred… who do they go to? Definitely not to a member of the Inner Circle or any other ally. We’re here for compelling plot, not giving characters advantages just because we like them! No. My suggestion is that the High Lord powers shift to…. Keir!!! You might be asking yourself, why Keir? He is such an asshole and would be a terrible High Lord. To which I reply, exactly! To set up the conflict in the next series of books we have ACOWAR end on a bittersweet note. On the one hand, the King of Hybern is dead, and all the major characters survived! On the other hand, Rhys’ power has transferred to one of his enemies. Not only are Rhys and co. now vulnerable, Velaris is also at risk from their new High Lord. This bittersweet ending achieves a good payoff for the survival of all the main characters. Stylistically it makes for better writing and a more realistic end to the series instead of “and we lived happily ever after as the most powerful High Lord and Lady in existence.” The sequel series would see Rhys and co. struggle to regain/retain control over Velaris and their people. The plot with the human queens is all good and fine… except that SJM literally never lets us leave the Night Court. 3/4 of the action in books 3 onward takes place in the Night Court. Therefore, it would be a nice change for the conflict to actually take place there and not with some Human Queens that have hardly any page time. This conflict with the new High Lord of the Night Court also offers some interesting new opportunities for character development. Rhys, for the first time in his existence would feel like a stranger in his own court and body. Technically, under Amarantha he was unable to access the majority of his High Lord powers but in that case it was different because he was still High Lord and had access to some of that power however diminished. In this circumstance, he has been stripped of all High Lord powers. He wouldn’t have all the answers, he literally is not in control. This allows him to empathize with Nesta and Elain. Feyre’s sisters also feel like strangers in their new bodies. They were violated and forced to become Fae; they unwillingly gave up their humanity in a way that parallels Rhys unwittingly giving up his power to Keir. In this alternate series Rhys comes to respect and understand both Nesta and Elain for who they are, not who he wants them to be. They have similar journeys of self discovery as each has to learn how to live again. Speaking of Nesta…. oh baby let’s talk about Nesta. Who took immense power from the cauldron? You guessed it, our girl Nesta. Who retains this power even when Rhys is powerless? Ding ding ding, right again! Nesta. In this alternate series women do not have to give up, or diminish their power while their male counterparts get to enjoy it (re: Amren returning with zero powers while Rhys retains all of his at the end of ACOWAR). How great would it be for Rhys and Feyre to need Nesta to help them stand against Keir? How great would it be for Nesta to have a character arc where the main characters actually respect her autonomy, personhood, traumas, and power??!! Reading ACOSF made me equal parts upset, angry, and bewildered. Here are a few reasons why: strong female characters don’t allow others to walk all over them, refusing to fund Nesta’s lifestyle and controlling every aspect of her life are two different things, and Nesta is not the only character who needs to apologize. I’m going to say it again, Nesta is not the only character who needs to apologize. That’s all I’ll say on this subject as ACOSF is another rant for another day. I think these changes in plot also benefit Feyre’s character as well. I see a huge difference between the character I loved in ACTOAR & ACOMAF and the rest of the series. It’s unrealistic that someone with very little leadership experience can fall so easily into the role of powerful High Lady and I feel like her character lost a lot of relatability as the series progressed. The Feyre of ACOTAR would not act like the Feyre of ACOSF.
When the courts were first introduced to us it always bothered me that there were four seasonal courts but only three solar courts… where is the dusk court? I think that my alternate sequel series would culminate in the birth of the Dusk Court. It bothers me that the Night Court is so divided. Rhys literally hates the Court of Nightmares and at best merely tolerate them. It’s hard to reconcile that both Velaris and the Court of Nightmares are the part of the same Court. On other days I would argue that Nightmares are dreams too and Rhys has no business condemning literally half of his court in favour of Velaris. But today I’m going to give it to him. In this  alternate sequel series, Velaris is different for a reason. It isn’t meant to be part of the Night Court. Velaris seems likes a different court, and so it shall be: behold! Velaris, capital of the Dusk Court! Who leads them? The newly minted High Lord and Lady of the Dusk Court: Rhys and Feyre. It may seem counterintuitive to give Rhys High Lord powers back when I’ve established why it is so important for him to lose them, but in my alternate series he will have had to fight, make sacrifices, and develop empathy for other people in ways that make him worthy of being High Lord. It also works as a narrative device for him to receive what he lost after proving himself (by working alongside Feyre, her sisters, and the rest of the IC as equals). I also think it is fitting that Rhys and Feyre could create a new court together. 
I hope you have enjoyed my rantings. I’m going to end this here since it’s already obscenely long. I would love to hear your thoughts! I believe firmly that Rhys should never have resurrected with his High Lord powers. The consequences of this could have been so compelling for future books. And it upsets me to see such wasted potential for character growth. This rant is mostly an exercise for myself to rewrite the worst parts of these books in ways that let me love these characters again. No-one should be victim to Mary/Gary Stu-Syndrome. not even Riceball. 
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flowerflamestars · 3 years
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I haven't had the time to do this earlier but here we are. The latest chapter of daylight baby, beautiful. Nesta and Cassian, *sighs, lovely. I love that this chapter included Feyre, I'll be honest. After Acofas, I just couldn't look at her the same again, and in Daylight, I love how you show that she's young, that she is so very young, that's she younger than everyone else. There's naivety, and just too much trust she puts in rhysand, you show that. She doesn't stop to question, doesn't stop to think about consequences. Reckless, like a child. She thinks the world is black and white, she doesn't stop to think of grey, and I do believe that it would be her downfall if there should be any. I feel that Feyre as a person, fundementally, she wants everyone to be happy, and it is a good thing, but not in the way she thinks is happiness. She has a fixed idea on it, where everyone loves each other, where mates should end up with one another, thougts ingrained deep by Rhysand, and so she thinks, Elain should be with Lucien, ans mor with Azriel. I think, she doesn't understand, that love is a choice, you choose who you love and hate, exactly like how she loves Rhysand, but Nesta hates him. Sometimes I feel like, would I say insecure? Not really, but she wants to stay in that same comfort of Acomaf and Acowar, where to her it is happiness. And it cages her, constructs her, she doesnt think to see beyond that. And I think it's just sad. Rhysand, Rhysand is just an ass, a plain ass, feck him. Everything about him is control, control, control. Like you said Elain dead, Nesta afraid. The man is such an ass and feck him, he can go to hell. And Mor, I just. Personally, I've never really liked her, but I can see why others do. But just, what on earth is she thinking, what makes her think she can join the winter court? What makes her think she has the privilege to just do whatever she wants like in the night court? Not when she choose to do nothing, not when she could have done so much, saved so many. And attempting that on Azriel, that's crossing a line. Even if in Daylight, Azriel has never lived her that way, what she did, that isn't something that's should ever be acceptable, that's taking advantage of someone. And Azriel and Lucien!!!! They have a kid now???!!!! Oh my god, we're all going to love them and grandpa Helion. Oh man, I absolutely love Helion's and Nesta's friendship. Well I probably would write more but I gotta go so bye for now.
Ps I love Daylight so so much
OH MY GOD THANK YOU??
So, I feel very, very similarly about Feyre. Her ultimate flaw is one in both understanding and coping. 
She’s so, so young to be where she is. In acomaf, we see the beginnings of growth, healing. But after the pain of acowar- namely, the transcendent, incredibly fucked up trauma of feeling her mate die inside her brain- she’s gone all the way backwards.
I really do think it’s a messed up, failing coping mechanism. They lived, they’re safe, now the world needs to be good. She’s not ready to face or handle the choices she made or the fallout. She can’t handle anything else. Feyre reverts all the way back to the original safety she’d framed for herself.
Prosperity. Time and money to paint every day, the people around her happy and loved.
But she treats it like a child telling themselves a story to fall asleep- a happy ending, everything in place. Instead of real life. 
There’s not a thing wrong with Feyre wanting to be a wife and mother, to teach painting. But it’s a bewildering difference between what she’s building and what’s happening: She’s going to paint in the Rainbow and heal with art, cool. 
She’s the High Lady of a Court she knows nothing about, the largest on the continent, and she took a day job.
Feyre, desperately wants to be happy in a normal, consistent way. She reframes everything around it, even when it doesn’t make sense. Nesta is suicidally depressed? Cassian isn’t speaking to her? We’ll lock them up together anyway, because mates always find a way. People are afraid of Rhys? No, it’s respect, he died for them. Rhysand lies to her? He was going to tell her eventually. The war is over because Velaris is rebuilt, we don’t need to do something about the Illyrian death toll.
If things turn out the way she imagined, then Feyre is okay.
And Rhys makes this worse. Because he is, if anything, coping even less with an absolute ocean of trauma. So anything Feyre wants, Feyre gets. Anything that threatens that perfectly constructed bubble? A threat, to be treated as such to the fullest extent.
She wants everyone to be happy, but can’t imagine happiness in any other shape.
Rhys also has a hand in that. He put her in a position where she got to decide what was right and what was wrong, but now the war is over and she. can’t. stop. It’s such a youthful arrogance, a perspective that just hasn’t grown yet.
AND OH GOD MORRIGAN. So, I have admittedly decided to lean hard into how deeply fucked up Mor is probably feeling? The books paint her as one thing only to then have her act as something entirely different. And in a funny way, I think that actually is very true of Mor?
She wants to be one thing- a rebel, a survivor, a warrior, fearless and true- but she just isn’t there yet. She wasn’t ready, the world changed without her, and that kind of made Mor lose her shit.
We get much more about this is part 6! But that is the crux of it- Morrigan thought inaction was the right path, and it damned her. 
And Luciel baby, first of many! Little baby girl shadowsinger! They finally have a home in a place, not just people. Each other, and an ocean of love to give the next generation. They’re so happy to be dads!
Thank you so much for reading, and this absolutely incredible message :)
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maevelin · 5 years
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Do you not like how the pregnancy plot was used in acofas as a plot or because you feel that babies don't belong to that universe?
Well I do feel that concepts of immortality don’t go very well with pregnancy tropes but it depends on how a universe truly works and how a writer makes it work. In the ACoTaR universe it is established that even though pregnancy is not an easy thing to happen it is not an impossibility. And given the established population and the familial relationships we have seen this is not out of the norm for this world and the concept of immortality does have its limitations obviously.
My problem was how this was used as a plot and how it affected the female character. We had Feyre making a big deal about certain things in the trilogy and in ACoFaS, things that mattered to her characterization but ultimately were negated by default. This is what happens with SJM’s writing and it couldn’t be more obvious in ACoFaS. 
For example we get the story of the weaver lady in ACoFaS right? We have the void and the hope that inspired Feyre and I was staring at what I was reading wondering if SJM actually forgot what she wrote in ACoWaR because what she was doing was so contradictory. She aimed for the profound message and I was there rolling my eyes because SHE MADE SURE FOR THAT TO NOT FREAKING COUNT.
So Feyre understands the weaver’s loss and decides to have a child because in case that Rhysand would die like the weaver’s mate did she would not have anything left to remember him by and I was like…anyone remembers the suicide pact? The weaver lady was indeed someone to lead an example and was strong and kept on living and grieved and mourned but did not let that grief destroy her and she found hope in the darkness and ultimately was everything Feyre was not. If anything that story line highlighted the weakness of the main characters. We had the survivors of the war and the attack, people that lost their beloved ones and kept on living and turned on their High Lords for support but if we place that mirror against Feyre and Rhysand what do we get in return? They would never be like those people would they? Because when push would come to shove they would just quit life because they wouldn’t be able to handle the loss. It is just so problematic. Too much love is poison indeed as Rhysand has once said. It turns ugly. And it tainted what SJM was trying to preach in ACoFaS. The weaver was admirable for sure. We didn’t see her taking her life because she lost the love of her life did we? No. And Feyre was inspired by this and made it a big deal when the message SJM promoted in the previous book about her female lead was…if the one you love dies go on an die with them. 
So can anyone explain to me using simple logic what was the point of Feyre deciding to have a child so to have something of Rhysand when with their pact the only thing left would be an orphan child without having anything to remember their parents by because they were idiots and committed suicide because they formed a completely toxic codependent relationship?
The weaver plot with the tapestry and the gift and all that leading to Feyre’s decision were literally completely pointless because SJM made them be pointless by default. How is that a motivation for Feyre when she does not have to worry about it given the moronic bargain she made with her mate? And how is it possible that at no point her mind actually made that connection? A bargain mind you that was created in a post traumatic period for both Feyre and Rhysand and the writer made it all seem ‘romantic’? And how did that tie in in ACoFaS? There was no logic or consistency and it really cheapened the whole thing. It would work with how things were presented in ACoWaR up to a point. If SJM had stopped before that pact in the end it would actually be one of the few saving graces of the book. If she knew where to stop that is. With Rhysand’s intentions for self sacrifice for example while he wanted to ensure Feyre’s survival even in the expense of his own life. This was his goal, this was his motivation. For those he loved and for Feyre in particular to survive even if he had to die fighting for them and for that endgame. It was heroic, it was noble. It made sense with who Rhysand was revealed to be in ACoMaF. And on the other end I was not expecting anything less from Feyre either. This is what you do when you love someone. You want them to live and have a good life even if you can’t be there. And it would also show that life does not come with guarantees even for immortals so every day is meant to cherished with those you love as if it is the last because it very well could be and there are examples for that. And if one is gone then the other lives on and should live life to the full extent not just for them but also in honor of those that they lost that would live through them. That is how you honor a memory and a love story either it has a happy ending or not. And the plot with the weaver would tie in perfectly with that. Only it doesn’t now does it? Because the last pages of ACoWaR and the closure for Feysand’s story there ensured that. Now going around in circles around that is a parody really. Senseless.
And putting all that aside let us focus on Feyre and the timeline here. Let us see how this baby plot fits in Feyre’s story and all the points ACoMaF had made? One of the best parts of ACoMaF was that it subverted certain tropes only for ACoFaS to come like a badly written fanfiction and demolish all that progress. Everything in this story happened in what? A year? Two? More or less. So in that extremely small amount of time you get a girl that has been through hell and went through extremely traumatic situations that affected her mentally and emotionally and made life changing decisions that contradict everything she seemed to have wanted when she was recovering from depression and PTSD. 
In the end of the day you have a very VERY young inexperienced girl that was deprived of kindness and basic care in her whole life and has gone through some very traumatic events in the span of 2 years that are bound to affect her perception of the world and those that surround her. Someone throws her a crumb of kindness and they become perfect in her eyes to the point she glamorizes them beyond logic because she is starving for affection. She is starving to have a loving family. She is starving to be loved and cherished and appreciated. So she just jumps in. With a guy that is 500 years old. That has lived his life. That is also recovering from severe trauma. This is where their relationship is based on and how it is shaped. They don’t think clearly. They are still healing. They gave themselves no time to even see if their relationship can stand in time (outside the concepts of mates and with having immortality looming over them). And there is nothing wrong with people wanting to get things they have been deprived of and chase those dreams till they would make them come true. But at least in stories we should get the gradual development that would get us there and not an abrupt conclusion that counters the progress that was made - in entire books- and the progress that was used as a central axis for the characterization of the characters.
With Tamlin for example such a future and so soon for Feyre was a nightmarish terror. Even Rhysand made it sound like that when he was trying to show her how restricting such a life was and couldn’t understand the rush of it all. You put the basics of Tamlin’s expectations with what we are seeing with Rhysand and Feyre and if you strip the storylines down to their core you see alarming similarities. Excluding the abuse of course. But in the sense of a certain lifestyle that Feyre abhorred and suddenly lives on ACoFaS but somehow this is a dream coming true now. With Tamlin the exact same thing when Feyre was in love with him was still something she didn’t want and for good reason but in the span of months this changes all of the sudden and with Rhysand it becomes perfection when she has not been able to achieve the dreams she had before. But what about Feyre as a unique personality outside her romantic interests? So the only difference in the end is the male she is so her life is regulated only as her worth is defined as a love interest in the narrative? The world is a big place and Feyre still has no idea of it. She does not even fully understand the concept of her Fae nature and of immortality yet. She has not even experienced or enjoyed what she has with Rhysand and their bond either. Feyre in ACoMaF had said she wanted time. Said she didn’t want to become a decorative piece while the High Lord would be active and she would be there to basically breed children, sign letters and host dinners and have people serving her while she would be there to be the rich wife. Does that -especially after ACoFaS- sound familiar? And her not wanting children in the near future was something that was discussed in ACoMaF and it was a big decision and Rhysand respected it. It gave a certain depth in their relationship but also in Feyre’s character that wanted to grow and mature before she would be a mother and a wife. She wanted time to live, to love, to be herself, to be with Rhysand and so on. She wanted independence and to mature. And here we are so soon after and everything is once more negated. 
Not to mention that this feels manipulative in a way. There is the mate bond that is influencing Feyre’s emotions to a big extent and not to mention that she has  already seen the image of her future son which is also influencing her decisions.
And it is just so… simplistic. To take an interesting plot that was one of the parts that made ACoMaF so successful and to erase it completely for no reason just a few books later. This is a pattern that keeps repeating really. SJM makes a certain point, hypes it and then erases it. So what was the point of making it in the first place? More so when she is planning for an extended universe that will stretch far beyond the original trilogy and she could give this later on in a time frame that would make sense.
And I get it when fans that like a ship want such things for their dream couple. And I mean…this is what fanfiction is for. And on the other end I understand and respect when a writer wants to deliver to the fans what they want. It is a great thing to want to please your fans that have supported you and your writing like this and with so much passion. But I feel that it should not come to the expense of your writing to this degree and I am sure that this could have been handled much better and with a more consistent writing that would make the delivery make sense without being so contradictory, sloppy, and messy. You can honor the fans while still remaining true to the story and what made the characters and their dynamic so alluring to the fans in the first place. Those things don’t have to be mutually exclusive. 
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fuckingughhh · 5 years
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maybe this is stupid but i have to get it out of my BRAIN.
so. if i wrote fan fiction i would write one years and years down the line. feysand has like.. three kids. in my mind it's the canon son and two scary bad ass girls. they're all adults or late teens. maybe the other ships have some too. anyway. some crazy fae politics shit is going down, you know how fantasy books are- and somehow it brings all the kids (who are rebelling and taking shit into their own hands behind their parents' back or something) or maybe just one of them at first to meet another one of Rhysand's sons.
the first son.
the one no one knows about, because he was hidden away as a baby.
also Amarantha's son.
OKAY SO HEAR ME OUT- in my head it doesn't strike me as unlikely that Amarantha would not always be in the mountain. she was working with Hybern or whatever, i'm sure she had to meet with him sometimes or go torture people elsewhere, leave some cronies in charge. some attor level followers. anyway. so maybe she could have hidden the pregnancy with some fae glamour bullshit or just heavier clothes and been gone long enough to either give birth or not be around for when she got real big if the glamour part is a no go.
so she gives birth, and hands the son off to someone. another trusted cronie, or something. she definitely isn't the mothering type, she wouldn't want him until he started to get older and more useful. i'm sure she would have planned to use him to control Rhys or to strengthen her authority as mother to Rhysand's heir, a.k.a son of the most powerful high lord, or maybe just to train him to be her heir so her fucked up way of reigning continues. whatever. i imagine the baby is kept outside the mountain in a place no one would expect.
but then she dies. and all her cronies are sought out and killed. maybe some soldiers from one court or another raid a number of homes that they know belong to faeries who were supporters or maybe some are found and killed away from their homes- either way, cronie-babysitter is killed while Amarantha's baby is hiding in a room somewhere, obliviously sleeping in a crib (i imagiqne the baby is born only about a couple years before Feyre saves everyone, so Canon Son is only like 6 years younger at most).
however it goes down, the baby is left behind. like 2 days later, a very poor woman, a mother probably, who has mouths to feed and is desperate, is going through the abandoned house. she finds some food and some money. she shoves it in her pack. she continues snooping. maybe she finds a painting, or some documents addressed to the Amarantha supporter that lived there, but she figures out who this place belonged to. the person's well known and feared by most, but maybe she saw the soldiers drag a faerie out of there a few days before, or maybe she's been scoping this place out as a place to rob (eat the rich?) for awhile and knows no one's been inside for a bit. she's not too worried. she's bad ass. she keeps snooping.
then she hears a baby cry.
obviously, she's like.. "what the fuck". so she follows the sound and finds the room and the crib and she looks inside.. and sees a baby with a whole head of red hair and violet eyes.
now. Alis avoided being taken to the mountain with her boys. i'm sure this faerie could have as well.. especially because in my head she's a very smart woman, one who's got a quick mind and is particularly versed in the art of survival, and there's no way she's letting her kid(s) be taken under the mountain. but also because of the things i just said, she's maybe heard through the grape vine or seen from hiding spots what important people, people who could be a threat to her and her family, look like. like the high lord of the Night Court and Amarantha. she also knows that this person was Amarantha's cronie, has probably heard the phrase "Amarantha's whore", and knows that the cronie did not have red hair or violet eyes or look to be any relation at all to this baby who was very clearly high fae.
she has found this baby, this baby who could likely be very powerful and influential some day. she knows that raised in the wrong hands, he could grow to be the worst monster the world has ever seen. but she has found him. she picks him up and hushes his cries. she finishes gathering what she needs, and she takes him home. and she raises him to be good.
he knows for his whole life who he is and that he must stay hidden, that the high lord and lady of the Night Court can never find him or it's likely they'll kill him. that no one else but their family should know about his heritage, especially his biological mother, or citizens would likely kill him. but he's also very invested in the on goings of Prythian, in how to prevent wars and how to keep peace. he feels he must be, because of who his parents are. because of who his mother was, especially.
when the feysand kids meet him, they end up working together to fight whoever the knew big bad enemy is. he admits immediately who he is, but also why they can trust him and what he wants to do. he finds it necessary given whatever situation they're in. maybe because of who they are, maybe because he kind of resembles Canon Son and his eyes are closer to their father's than any of their's actually are and he knows they know something's up.
they probably disappear for awhile, much to feysands worry, to fight whatever they need to. they bond during this time and begin to accept A's son as their brother. they learn much more than what they were told about under the mountain from him. A's son learns about what kind of person his father really is. but they are all still lvery afraid of what will happen if their parents find him.
there's probably some acowar style final battle where feysand and everyone are already fighting when the kids show up. with A's son. and A's son is like internally shitting his pants because "CAULDRON thats the guy who i've been told will ABSOLUTELY KILL ME ON SIGHT for my ENTIRE EXISTENCE" but is cool on the outside cause his mama didn't raise no bitch and also Rhys's genes. Rhys's reaction is just REAL ANGSTY AND GOOD but i don't have one solid plan for that or how it happens. i do know that at some point he probably does try to kill him and one of the kids, in my head his youngest daughter, is like "nah" and there's a mini magic fight between them. A's son calls out for youngest daughter to stop bc he's worried for her and Rhys is like "???"
or maybe the feysand kids immediately tell Rhys that they'll all fight him for A's son so he better just not. Rhys is horrified.
i also love the idea if Feyre being like "oh, another son" pretty quickly but i also think his existence might break her for awhile so i don't really know.
Rhys absolutely hates him for the longest time. which is why my angst loving heart fucking nuts at the idea of him being the one to inherit the high lord power. mmm good shit 👌👌👌
WHAT THE FUCK DO Y'ALL THINK OF THIS CAUSE I'D LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO WRITE IT LOL
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darling-archeron · 6 years
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ACOFAS Thoughts
I finished the book less than an hour ago, so here’s my jumbled impressions, which I attempted to organize.
Feyre: 
I missed being in Feyre’s head loads. This book, per usual, had a different tone from all the others. Feyre and co aren’t trying to save Prythian from destruction, and I loved how we got to see her happy, even if she did read a bit differently. That last page especially....Feyre is finally happy. I’ve been with her on this whole journey, and to see that even though things aren’t perfect, her family is still a bit fractured as is the world, she is content. The whole baby thing did catch me a bit off guard, and I still hope we don’t get a Feysand baby for a while, but I read it as Feyre finally relaxing and realizing she’s safe, she doesn’t have to fight tooth and claw for survival, she can settle down.
Rhys:
Okay, I love Rhys. I really do. He’s my fav in the series. But all the “there wasn’t a surface in that house i hadn’t taken her on’ got old quick. That’s great Rhys, I’m sure your family and the Illyrians really appreciate that. I wish his POVs had been a little...deeper? I would have loved even a single scene where Rhys talked to Feyre about Amarantha or his past some more. All the other voices were fine but to me, it seemed like SJM had written Rhys as maybe a little too similar to Feyre’s voice, so she tried to change it by adding some ‘male thoughts’ or whatever lol. (Also what even was the whole ‘sex while flying’ thing?’)
I did enjoy some of his moments, though! ACOFAS does really highlight his complex relationship with Illyria. 
Mor:
Some of my favourite parts in this book were Mor’s chapters, I absolutely loved them. I really hope that book 5 will focus on her because she’s probably my second favorite character in the series. (Also - what was that random shadow?)
Az: 
We didn’t get his POV at all, but we did get to see him more which was really nice! I don’t really have any new thoughts on him atm, but I hope we expand on how he feels as though he doesn’t belong with the Illyrians. In ACOMAF he refers to the fae as ‘them’ despite being one. 
Cassian: 
WHAT WAS IN THE BOX. I need to know. Cassian’s POVs were also really nice, this book did a good job of giving his personality a bit more depth.
Nesta:
I have a complicated relationship with the character of Nesta Archeron. I don’t like her as a person, but I think she’s an interesting character. And I love the passion Nesta shows when she truly cares about something. I love THAT scene in ACOWAR not because I ship Nessian so much, but because Nesta truly burns with passion. The thing is, I can understand some of her coping. She feels the inner circle’s acceptance is only because Feyre is trying to get them to help her. (And to an extent, she’s right.) The thing that drove me crazy was how - despite not wanting pity - she continually accepted Feyre’s money. The tavern scene made me so angry. Feyre hunted for Nesta and Elain for years, and it’s true they’ve moved past how she never helped. But the fact that even now, in the face of starting anew, having the opportunity to find a job if she hates Rhys’s offers, she insists Feyre provides for her. Is it just to see how far she’ll push Feyre? She wasn’t my first choice for a character to follow in the next book, but it’ll be an interesting ride. ACOFAS has kind of changed my view on her yet again. Not sure on my feelings
Tamlin:
Okay, I can’t say I feel much pity for Tamlin. Ik lots of people didn’t like the was Rhys treated him, but I thought it was perfectly in character. The food was a nice gesture, even if it was more for alliance’s sake than his own relationship. Though I’m curious as to what’s up with the regular citizens of Spring. Are they still around? Is practically the entire court vacant?
Other thoughts:
the snowball fights XD
Cassian and Feyre decorating was amazing. So was Amren’s coat and Mor’s gift giving abilities. 
I loved how it ended with “to the stars who listen and the dreams that are answered”
This end to Feyre and Rhysand’s journey had been pretty sad for me. The end of ACOWAR was definitely more bittersweet, but there was something about the ending of this. They’ve fought tooth and nail, died and been tortured and fought their way back from the demons haunting them. And now...they are happy. 
There was some random mention of Illyrians migrating from the Myrmidons which made me curious as to why they used to be there? That’s the mountain range Night and Day share, though the migration happened ages ago.
How did they host public audiences at the house of wind??? not everyone in Velaris has wings. Unless Feyre meant the base of the mountain?
The Court of Nightmares visit felt a bit odd. “Oh, y’know, we’re going to...wish them happy solstice." It was one of my favorite chapters because of Mor’s POV though!
I was worried about Rhys POV chapters because so often dual POVs don’t work and that worrying was somewhat warranted.
A Maas “wingspan” was yet again described as velvet. No sign of the steel this time though. Not going to lie, I think Maas smut scenes may have reached their peak in ACOMAF. 
THE DRESSES
All in all, it was a really solid novella. I paced myself more than I thought I would.
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Ratings and Recs:  Lucien Ships
Lucien/Cassian (Lussian):  Adorable af. Lucien being sad and Cassian helping him sort out his feelings and cooking him food. Bonus points if they’re mates (ehehehe be on the lookout for this fic from me). Domestic fluff prime material. 15/10. Fic:  @squaddreamcourt​‘s  While We Spoke of Many Things and  A Court of Stars and Fire, @hazelestelle​‘s Infatuation, my drabbles Never Alone and A Spoonful of Sugar, and my Bright-Eyed and Bushy-Tailed.
Lucien/Rhysand (Rhycien):  The Young Lucien Angst ship - which means this only works when both boys are young and dramatic (versus old and dramatic). Extra points for Rhys shamelessly seducing a Lucien who is trying his best to resist and 100% fails. 13/10. Fic: @pterodactylichexameter drabble here, @valamerys​‘s Insufferable and Not That Straight, and my In Passing.
Lucien/Elain (Elucien):  Could be soft and fluffy or could be pretty hardcore kinky (looking at @valamerys​ and @squaddreamcourt​). Flowers + sunlight. Good ship for a fem!Lucien, as well as High Lord! either of them. Honestly, so many different directions this ship could go. 9/10 for variety and possible canon results. Fic:  pretty much all of @valamerys‘s stuff... there’s so many for this ship I can’t link them all. There’s also some good ones by @illyrianazriel, @pterodactylichexameter, and @sarahviehmann. Also, @cass-ian has one of the only fem!Lucien fics I’ve seen here plus a fantastic flowershop!AU, Bright as a Flame, Soft as a Rose.
Lucien/Feyre (Feycien):  Can only ship pre-ACOMAF, but a very good ship all the same. Lends itself towards angst and smut. Bonus points for pissing off Tamlin. 7.5/10. Fic:  @valamerys‘s Sequistrialis, @squaddreamcourt‘s  Mirrors Do Not Have Mercy (She Least of All), @abookandacoffee‘s We Become Our Needs, @illyrianazriel‘s In the Shelter of Your Arms and Under a Darkening Sky.
Lucien/Azriel (Luzriel):  The angstiest possible Lucien ship. Very serious, can be very kinky, definite possibility of casual relationship. Two Sad Abused Boys trying to drown their own trauma and darkness in each other’s. 10/10 for extreme angst. Fic:  @illyrianazriel‘s Shadow Fire, my In the Eye of the Beholder, @valamerys‘s Doves and Ravens Fly the Same.
Lucien/Tamlin (doesn’t have a ship name and shouldn’t):  Terrible, abusive, one-sided, and pretty much canon compliant. Points for that as well as for Lucien being really sad, because, you know, he is. 5/10. Fic:  @squaddreamcourt‘s  The Wax Between His Feathers and my A Fox in a Trap.
Lucien/Ianthe:  As bad as the previous one is, this one’s about a hundred times worse than that. 0/10. Fic:  @squaddreamcourt‘s Whilst The High Lady Was Away.
Lucien/Kallias (Kallucien):  The fluffy Young Lucien ship. Good chemistry character-wise, foxes, both Lucien and Kallias being happy and away from their families. 7/10 for adorableness. Fic:  I don’t think there’s any written yet, but I’m working on one. Also there’s @escapingtheconstrictingboxes‘s moodboard here.
Lucien/Tarquin (Luquin or Tarcien, idk which):  Two very dutiful courtiers getting each other to loosen up. Tarquin’s optimism versus Lucien’s experience. I always imagine long days at the beach (my poor ginger baby gets very sunburned, “golden-brown” skin ain’t got nothing on the Summer Court’s sun), tickle fights, and both of them working on getting lesser faeries the rights they deserve. 8/10. Fic:  as far as I know all the fic that exists so far is my drabble Salt and Steam. (Technically a brotp. We all know it isn’t really.)
Lucien/Andras (Landras):  Both adorable and hella sad. Mostly involves Lucien not admitting his feelings and being devastated after Andras dies. Headcanons galore, but most fic is looking back at their relationship. 8/10. Fic:  @sarahviehmann‘s Foxeye, @squaddreamcourt‘s  The Wax Between His Feathers.
Lucien/Andras/Elain (Elandras):  Since all this takes place in an AU where Andras doesn’t die, it’s about a hundred times more adorable than the previous one. Some shippers (myself included) have come to the consensus that Andras is absolutely gay, and it totally works for this ship (check this page with @pterodactylichexameter and @illyrianazriel). A fabulous ship for kidfic and domestic fluff. 12/10 for everything being happy. Fic:  @squaddreamcourt‘s Old Lovers Born Anew, @illyrianazriel‘s drabble here, my  A Bloody Love.
Lucien/Cassian/Azriel (Caluzriel or something):  Bat boys teaching pumpkin prince how to be a warrior. Cassian taking care of his Sad Boyfriends. Lends itself equally to fluff and smut. 7/10. Fic:  @squaddreamcourt‘s Initiation.
Lucien/Elain/Azriel (Eluciel):  The obvious solution to all shipping wars. Elain helps her boyfriends get their heads on straight because yeah, they’re all in love with each other, this works out. Both majorly fluffy and majorly kinky. Bonus points for mutual pining with Lucien and Az. 10/10. Fic:  @pterodactylichexameter‘s drabble here, @squaddreamcourt‘s The Sandwoman, and @cass-ian has a fantastic WIP in the works for this ship, so keep a lookout!
Lucien/Kallias/Viviane (Kalluciane):  Because Kallias and Viviane’s story is really sweet but I want to ship Kallias with Lucien. I think it would work. 7/10 for who knows how this would be, really. Fic:  I don’t think anyone’s even considered this before, so there’s absolutely nothing.
Lucien/Elain/Tarquin (Eluquin):  Summertime and the living is easy... basically the most relaxed, easy-going Lucien ship. Lots of happiness and softness, fluff and smut galore. 11/10 for the aesthetic of at least 5 of the 7 Courts in one ship. Fic:  no actual fic, but there’s a fantastic headcanon post here by @cataclysmic-star!
Lucien/Feyre/Rhysand (Feyrhycien):  Plays on how loyal Lucien is in a really good way. Bonus points for neither of them being an absolute dick to him like they were for most of ACOWAR. 9/10. Fic:  @squaddreamcourt‘s  To Kneel Before The Night.
Lucien/Rhysand/Tamlin (Lusandin):  I have no words for this. It’s all Harry’s fault, honestly. As most of these ships are. But this one more than most. ???/10. Fic:  @squaddreamcourt‘s  When In Rome.
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ToG & ACOTAR
1) Which of the ToG characters do you relate most to? Dorian Havilliard.
2) Which of the ACOTAR character do you relate most to? Rhysand.
3) Which character in either series do you think you would dislike the most in real life? Tamlin.
4) Which character wouldn’t like you in real life? Probably Tamlin.
5) Which character would you be best friends with in real life? Cassian, honestly.
6) Who’s your OTP from ACOTAR? Feysand. 100% no matter what. I can’t believe I ever shipped Feylin.
7) OTP from ToG? Doraelin (though Rowaelin is growing on me)
8) Did you ship Rowaelin from the moment he came into the picture? HELL NO.
9) How quickly did you stop shipping Chaolaena? Or do you still ship it? I stopped shipping it pretty quickly.
10) Which character do you ship yourself most with and why? Rhysand, because shit, man. Everyone that he’s around he BUILDS on, gives them the tools to make themselves better, he doesn’t MAKE them do it, he gives them the choice, and it honestly just… He is the person that I wish most people could act like because of that. I mean, he’s also beautiful. And sassy. And I need that in my life too, but mostly the other part.
11) Ships that annoy you and why? Feylin. Because Tamlin is an abusive little asshole and nobody will convince me otherwise.
12) Do you ship Amren and Varian or would you rather Amren remain alone? I don’t necessarily ship them, per say, but… They’re cute.
13) Any theories about where Amren came from and what her real form is? Fuck if I know.
14) How do you view Rhys’s actions UtM? Ah… When I first read the series, without having read the others, I really hated him for everything he did. But, after reading the other two books, and seeing where he was coming from, I’ve given him a little leeway. Yes, some of it was cruel and unnecessary, but… He was doing it to save Feyre, and in the end, save everyone from UtM.
15) Do you want Tamlin to die? Are you pro redemption arc? How do want his arc to end? In all honesty, I would never wish a bad thing on anyone, even a fictional character. So, I would prefer he didn’t die. I don’t think he should get a redemption arc though. He deserves a shitty ending, because he was/is abusive. He needs some God damn therapy.
16) Which villain out of both series do you hate the most? If I can count Tamlin as a villain, I really disliked him because of how he treated Feyre. And how Feyre didn’t see anything wrong with it until she was shown actual love and care. I also DESPISE Dorian’s father. He makes me want to slap a bitch.
17) Do you blame Elena? …Lemme get back to you.
18) Which villain do you want to slowly suffer and which one do you want a painful death for? Dorian’s father, even though he’s already dead… But whatever.
19) Tell me how you feel about Moriel, Elucien, and Nessian. Fuck, I think they’re adorable. Lucien really needed a good ending. He was put through so much shit, and he was stuck under Tamlin. He deserves a hug. Nessian… Just AH. I can’t describe it better than that. Moriel… Jesus Azriel needed a good ending too. Come to think of it, Mor needed it too. Both lived through hellacious beginnings… So… I think they’re all well deserved relationships.
20) Thoughts on “nameless is my price?” Gotta reread the series. So badly. I’ve forgotten so much. My only clear memory is that I love Dorian with all of my heart.
21) How do you think ToG will end? …With all my babies happy?
22) Do you prefer the Celaena story arc or the Aelin arc? Or do you find that the difference between the two is simply character growth? I think that it’s just character growth, though I do miss Doraelin.
23) Long haired Rowan or short haired Rowan? *shrugs* Don’t particularly care. I’m just starting to care about Rowan in the first place lmao
24) Which character would you most like to hook up with? Cassian. Would definitely be a good time.
25) Which character would you most like to fall in love with? Rhysand. I don’t think I need an explanation for that. And maybe Lucien… For some of the same reasons as Rhys, but also because Lucien has those fast comebacks and snippiness, and I need that in my life.
26) How would you feel if Sam were resurrected in ToG7? …I… Just… Don’t know. I feel that would make things problematic?
27) How do you feel about Elorcan at the moment? Do you forgive him and think Elide should? Or are you angry with him? …Lemme read the books more. I honestly skipped a lot because I was unhappy with Rowan. I need to reread the entire series. So…
28) Thoughts on Fenrys and Connall? As said in 27: I gotta reread the series.
29) What do you think the importance of “princess of carrion” and all the other stuff the book says to Feyre is? …Fuck, I’ve read these books enough times, but I’m drawing a blank to this.
30) Do you think any major characters will die in ACOWAR? Who? …Considering I read the book… I mean, I was so terrified near the ending about Rhys… But I’M OKAY RIGHT NOW.
31) Did you ship Feylin in ACOTAR or were you always side-eyeing it suspiciously? …I fucking shipped it, head over heels. Oh, how I regret that.
32) How do you think Feyre will handle being in the Spring Court again? Like a God damn boss, because she’s grown a lot.
33) Head canons for your OTP! I just… Mhmm
34) Name a ship you hope ends like the Titanic… …That one of them dies? Tamlin?
35) What do you think Feyre’s father is up to? Some stuff.
36) Do you forgive Nesta and Elain for how they treated Feyre? …Mmm.
37) Favorite morally grey character. Is Chaol morally grey? I feel like he is. Just a little bit.
38) Favorite villain. Mm… None particularly. A lot of them are just… Not to my liking.
39) Favorite god from ToG …Lemme get back to you on that.
40) What theories do you have about the Bone Carver? Fuck me running.
41) Any theories about the cauldron? That it’s a God damn mess.
42) Favorite funny moment from ToG Anything that was relatively funny between Dorian and Aelin.
43) Who is funniest character? …only one? UHM. Rhysand. Really. He just… He always makes me laugh.
44) Where is Nox??? On the God damn moon, probly.
45) Are you down for Rowaelin/Feysand babies in the epilogues or would you want them to wait? Oh, HELL YEAH. BRING ME ALLLLL THE BABIES.
46) What is the King of Adarlan’s name? “Piece of Shit”?
47) Do you have any f/f or m/m ships? Hm... None that stand out to me in ACOTAR? But, I really need to reread ToG though, so that could change.
48) Any part of the plot in either series that you would change? Honestly, I wasn’t a fan of Aelin jumping around from guy to guy in the beginning of ToG. I understand that a lot of people do that, but to me, it just created a lot of unnecessary drama. And I really do hate drama.
49) How do you think the lock will be forged? Carefully.
50) Who is a better male lead? Rhysand or Rowan?  RHYSAND FOR THE GOD DAMN WIN.
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Lucien’s ARC in ACOWAR (spoilers under the cut).
I’ve been seeing a lot of emotional reactions to the commencement of ACOWAR and it’s a little intimidating for me because, while I did finish it two days ago, I’m still in that numb mind-set where I’ll have to reread the book a few more times to properly formulate a good enough review. But since I’ve noticed a lot of commentary already floating around, I thought it might help me to express my feelings towards a particular character and what I found troubling/ or positive. In any case, here’s the Lucien ACOWAR meta that nobody asked for. (I’ll write meta for the other characters later, perhaps?)
Okay. First things first. Whether you were as obsessed with the little fox prince as I was, if you wanted to see his arc, or if you just didn’t care much about him either way… everyone seemed to be cheering on his development for the third book. It almost fit such a nice, clean progression: dealing with the abuser and feeling conflicting emotions about him, the self loathing slowly beginning to lighten up, him realizing he is powerful but he just doesn’t know what to do with himself because he feels trapped…. and then book three is where he should have abandoned his abuser and recognized his inner strengths to which in a later novella we could have explored further. But it didn't really happen like that, did it.
I know some people think that we will see his true and final arc in the novella about him… but here’s the thing. We don’t even know if we will be getting a Lucien novella. Of course it might seem obvious to some, but until SJM or Bloomsbury announces it… who knows? And while I would be ecstatic for it, I’m bitter because this is the official trilogy and I feel as though he should have had an official ending full of peace where we could all just take a deep breath and think “fuck yeah, Lucien got what he rightly deserved!” I wished with all my heart that he would have had at least a decent enough arc that would have made me cry, but all I felt was numb. My favorite character— and he pretty much got shoved aside at the end of the book.
That being said, when I was reading the initial chapters of this book I was SO FUCKING HAPPY TO SEE ALL OF THAT LUCIEN. He was literally more invested in this story than in the other two combined! Or at least, I had thought so. Once he departed midway through the story, we don’t see him until the very last pages of the book. And maybe I would have been okay with that… had he gotten the development he deserved before leaving.
While I did love the few arcs that were included for him in this story— like how he was snarky to Tamlin again in the beginning (like old Lucien from ACOTAR that I’ve missed dearly), and how he is infatuated with Elain but also respects her enough not to push the bond on her while also realizing that it’s not the end of the world if she doesn't reciprocate the emotion, how he and the Illyrians started an uneasy bond that led into a small friendship/ alliance… but then it ends there. That’s it. There’s not definite “Lucien and (Azriel or Cassian or Rhysand etc) were good friends after blah blah” or “Lucien was happy to just travel the realm knowing he was safe to wander again without running into his abusers.” He was just brimming the initial phases of a wondrous developmental state when he was sent into the mortal realm, only to be seen one other time throughout the entire book.
Where did he go? What did he see? What is his relationship to the tinker from Dawn? Or with Queen Vassa? Will he be included in that russian folkloric retelling between Koschei the death-god and the mortal queen? Will he ever confront his “family” in the Autumn Court? What about his mother? WHAT ABOUT THE HIGH LADY OF AUTUMN? What about Helion? Do either of them even know what they are to one another?
Look, if this Chaol novella is 500 pages long, then I expect the Lucien one to be a thousand.
But what really got under my skin was this.
But Tamlin’s attention had gone to the clothes Lucien now wore. The Illyrian leathers.
He might as well have been wearing Night Court black.
It was an effort to keep my mouth shut, to not explain that Lucien didn't have any other clothes with him, and that they weren't a sign of his allegiance—
Tamlin just shook his head, loathing simmering in his green eyes, and walked past. Not a word.
I looked at Lucien in time to see the guilt, the devastation, flicker in that russet eye. Rhys had indeed told Lucien everything about Tamlin’s covert assistance. His help in dragging Beron here. Saving me at the camp. But Lucien remained standing with us as Tamlin found his place in the sitting room to our right. Did not glance at his friend even once.
Lucien wasn't foolish enough to beg for forgiveness.
What the FUCK.
How did we go from theorizing that Lucien would get rid of his toxic relationship with Tamlin to him wanting his abusers forgiveness? That’s pretty much like Stockholm Syndrome. Lucien doesn't need to apologize for shit, and the fact that we saw him slowly, so very slowly, making this wonderful character development… only to have these as his final thoughts… it made me livid, then terrified, and now I’m just numb. Novella issue aside, that whole paragraph shouldn't have existed. Or it should have been written differently, wherein SJM could have described that Lucien felt remorse for leaving his ex-friend even though Tamlin pulled through in the end, however he knows he’s better off without him.
We have all of this information about Lucien now….yet the issues at stake from book one were never really resolved, even now that the official series is over. That’s why I’m so cranky.
The fact that Beron is still alive is ridiculous (Keir as well for that matter). Neither of them had any positive input for the whole series and they were both abusers who should have died regardless of their alliances. Especially considering a hundred pages of this book was made up of this mighty war were thousands of people supposedly died! Cauldron forbid we kill off a character that other MCs have ties to?
In regards to the Lady of Autumn, she didn't even speak a word. She was harmed by Feyre (accidentally, but still), and then she wasn’t seen ever again. She was outright used for shock value. All we know is that she is such a tragic character who has the potential for an incredible arc (much like Lucien) but the chances of us seeing that fall through are pretty slim. At this rate, I just want Lucien and his parents (his REAL parents) to reunite together and have a long, comforting talk while probably crying and expressing some terse feelings towards one another… but resulting in them being happy and at peace.
Where Lucien’s romantic relationships are in regards to this story, I actually couldn’t give that much of a shit. He was robbed of his character development, and I’d really rather not see him start any romantic connections while he is still trying to figure out himself. I will say that I adore Elucien, just from what the fandom has created for them alone, and that I was shocked and upset by the awkward love…. square that formed? Between Elain, Azriel, Grayson, and Lucien… I think Elain and Lucien both need to focus on healing themselves (hence why later on they would probably make the best pairing), Azriel should decide what he wants to do with his infatuation with Mor even though he basically knows it’ll never occur (poor bat baby needs some self confidence of his own and to just spend more time with his brothers), and Grayson… he can just jump right off a cliff while holding Tamlin’s hand.
Let me also say that I DID thoroughly enjoy ACOWAR, despite how bitter I am with certain things. I thought it was great. In regards to SJM stepping up her diversity, I was really happy to see that change. But I’m not quite sure I can say I loved it more than ACOMAF. Maybe it’s due to Lucien and the little Nessian scenes we got in the third book that might push me to love it more, but overall I just thought I would have felt something….stronger? Something a bit more relieving and empowering than what we got? Novellas are great, but authors shouldn't use them as scapegoats for leaving out character developments in the official series.
Overall: I’m sad for my fox son.
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thedaycourts · 7 years
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(completed) acowar liveblog
ACOWAR LIVE BLOG (SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY)
spoilers will be ahead... you have been warned
feel free to message me to talk about the book!
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5/1/17 11:22pm- someone help me I've literally preordered the ebook and the hardcover (which hasn't even shipped yet ugh) and I'm so prepared 
5/1/17 11:31pm- I've read the first 8 sample chapters so. many. times... i'm ready for the real thing now pls thx bye
5/2/17 12:06am- IT TOOK TILL 12:06 FOR THE EBOOK TO RELEASE OMG MIDNIGHT RELEASE MY BUTT SMH
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chapters 1-8: i kinda like jurian actually (maybe ill regret saying that idk), lucien being protective of elain is making my heart warm, tamlin makes me wanna kill someone, feyre shouldve cut ianthe’s throat tbh, the twins give out such weird vibes, AND OMG rhys and feyre sending images of themselves sticking their tongues out is my moodboard i love it so much
chapter 9: “Blood rubies or no, you will always have one friend in the Summer Court.” My throat bobbed. “And you will always have one in mine,” I promised her. She knew which court I meant. And did not look afraid. I LOVE ALIS OK SHE IS ACCEPTING AND PROTECTIVE AND AMAZING
ianthe needs to get her filthy hands off of lucien before i strangle her
LUCIEN AND FEYRE GOING TO THE NIGHT COURT TOGETHER HECK TO THE YES 
chapter 12: @luciens brothers can you go die pls ok thx bye
chapter 13: CASSIAN IS OK AND SO IS AZ ADHEIOFHJKFAJ MY LIFE IS SLOWLY PIECING ITSELF BACK TOGETHER
“i am the high lady of the night court” hECK YES YOU ARE
the tender cassian and feyre hug made me sob even more and then the mor hug hauidfghuajkshcdfa the feels
chapter 14: I AM SOBBING I AM S O B B I N G AT THIS FEYSAND REUNION HELP MY POOR BROKEN SOUL
also omg just imagine lucien watching this reunion bc i think his expression would be absolutely priceless
chapter 15: “I was in love with Feyre,” Rhys said quietly, “long before she ever returned the feeling.” whats that noise??? oh yeah its just the sound of my heart breaking no big deal
“I revealed the mating bond months later—and she gave me hell for it, don’t worry.” hA 
LUCIEN CALLING AMREN A CRANKY OLD AUNT OMG
chapter 16: poor nesta and elain omg no 
i really need to know whats going on between nesta and cassian bc theres def something there hehe
chapter 17: MOR AND CASSIAN AND STICKING THEIR TONGUES OUT TO EACH OTHER TOO NOW OMG FIRST FEYRE AND RHYS AND NOW THEM WHAT IS HAPPENING
chapter 18: “defending the female he loved”  PLS JUST GET TOGETHER ALREADY @MOR @AZRIEL 
“our family” MY HEART IS MELTING HELP I JUST WANT MY BABIES TO BE HAPPY
“It was the first time you had looked … peaceful. Like you were indeed awake, alive again. I was so relieved I thought I’d puke right onto the table.” GUYS RHYS CARES SO MUCH ABOUT FEYRE LIKE PLS REALIZE HE WAS SO ECSTATIC THAT SHE LOOKED ALIVE AGAIN HE WANTED TO PUKE BC HE CARES ABOUT HER SO. FREAKING. MUCH.
“I will fight with everything I have, too, Rhys. Everything.” why do i have the feeling this is foreshadowing something that i am not going to like at all
chapter 19: “Why should I be scared of an oversized bat who likes to throw temper tantrums?” this is how true love starts out 400% you go nesta 
chapter 21: oh dang it here goes the nightmares starting up again
chapter 22: feyre sees the bone carver as their son omg what can this please happen
chapter 23: “Nothing about Nesta could frighten me.” *cue me audibly going awwwwww*
chapter 24: “She was the most beautiful female he’d ever seen.” This seems to be a common way of thinking when people look at their mates hehe throwback to acotar
az is such a bean like who else is awesome enough to wait 500 years for the girl he loves 
chapter 26: AZRIEL PUTTNG HIS HAND ON TOP OR MOR’S DURING THE MEETING WITH KIER OMG WHY MUST SHE REJECT HIS TENDER HAND TOUCH
chapter 27: mor being depressed bc of what she witnessed at the meeting makes me wanna cry
omg the inner court arguing what is this
chapter 29: tbh az reminds me of myself so much and i think we have the same MBTI personality type((:
chapter 30: the heck is hybern’s little minions doing in velaris nonunion go home you aren't allowed here
chapter 32: NESTA IS A SEER WHAT DOES THIS MEAN
chapter 33: “He did not glance back at Elain. Did not see the half step she took toward the stairs—as if she’d speak to him. Stop him.” elucien for rulers of the autumn court pls
chapter 34: varian warning amren??? they're friends?? so they keep in touch?? hmmmmmmm sounds suspicious(((;
chapter 36: KING OF HYBERN VS RHYS OMG WHAT AM I ABOUT TO WITNESS
oh jk he wasn't really there oops
chapter 38: I think tarquin should forgive them especially since they came to his rescue but hey thats just me
chapter 39: “And it was precisely because of it that I said, “I love you.” His head lifted, eyes churning. “There was a time when I dreamed of hearing that,” he murmured. “When I never thought I’d hear it from you.” 
nesta being worried ab cassian ahhhhhh
chapter 42: nesta being named emissary omg i love it
“And to my eternal shock, a smile tugged at Nesta’s mouth.” ahaha
GAMBLING ON THE FIGHTS AT THE MEETING AHAHA WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED AT ALL
chapter 43: this viviane girl seems cool.. i hope she doesn't end up stabbing my babies in the back:)))
ew no i was perfectly fine with having tamlin absent for the remainder of the book
same @feyre who is 500% done with tamlin and his crap 
chapter 45: NESTA STANDING UP FOR CASSIAN AND SASSING OUT BERON IS THE REASON IM STILL ALIVE 
chapter 47: I'm beginning to really like helion
chapter 48: too bad i already saw spoilers so i knew helion was luciens dad smhhhhhhh
ok but like if nesta thinks something is wrong, shouldn't you have learned by now that something is usually wrong???????
wow would ya look at that...something was wrong *scowls*
chapter 52: where the frick frackle jensen ackle did jurian come from 
chapter 53: ok but i totally called jurian being good
....tamlin still being a tool i see 
chapter 55: they keep mentioning their dad so i have a feeling he's in trouble/being held captive
chapter 56: nesta helping heal cass omg yes
YES MY GIRL SURI
chapter 58: I've never wanted ianthe dead more,,,,WHO DARES SHOOT MY GIRL SURI HREIAOFHJAKEF FIGHT ME
chapter 60: i literally bawled so much when suri died omg i sounded like a dying horse
chapter 61: this episode of honestly hour features feyre and mor going head-to-head about decisions and relationships... stay tuned for the next episode
chapter 62: amren and varian kissing hm how do i feel ab this
chapter 63: ELAIN IS AN ACTUAL SUNSHINE WHO DARES TAKE HER AWAY (of course its az my little bean who notices she's gone)
also I'm betting ten bucks lucien will find her and save her (prolly not gonna happen but it would be cute if he did)
chapter 64: EW SHE HAS TO BE IANTHE WOW THATS UNFORTUNATE
rhys and feyre’s goodbyes felt more like a pep talk than a sad goodbye but thats just me
ok thanks for saving feyre @tamlin but for the record i still hate you
chapter 65: omg nesta hugging feyre and all the sisters being all nice and cuddly makes me so happy
chapter 66: the moriel shipping part of me is very sad but yunno maybe this means i can keep az for myself (or elain can have him idk which direction sarah will take this) and mor can be eternally happy((:
sooooo does this mean elain x az is now gonna happen bc like az is gonna need someone to help heal the hole in his heart and elain is such a sweetie but what about lucien????
chapter 68: but are we ever gonna know what feyre saw in the mirror?
chapter 69: tender az and elain moment omg that was so cute i love my smol beans
“I would have waited five hundred more years for you. A thousand years. And if this was all the time we were allowed to have … The wait was worth it.” AWEEE
rhys and his lil speeches to everyone dang what is this
chapter 70: “And then Nesta began screaming. Not in pain. But a name. Over and over. “CASSIAN.” IM SUCH NESSIAN TRASH IDOFHAJDKFA
chapter 71: “This was it. The last moments … the last time I would see them all.” nothings even happened yet and I'm already crying
“He told me that he’s got three daughters who live here. And that he failed them for many years. But he would not fail them this time.” well shoot i have no words rn and tbh i kinda forgot their dad existed the past few chapters
chapter 72: “She wrapped her arms tightly around Cassian, those gray-blue eyes bright, then they were gone.” THEY GIVE ME LIFEEEE YESSSS
chapter 73: OK AMREN WHAT ARE YA DOIN???
chapter 74: ....welp... bye bye mr archeron thanks for saving my babies and also wHERE THE FRICK DID YOU COME FROM?? nesta and elain and feyre being sad is making me sad
OK WHY IS CASSIANS WINGS GETTING HURT AGAIN??? i feel like this is sarah starting a new thing like “hey! lets just end every book with cassian’s wings getting ripped to shreds!!”
“I have no regrets in my life, but this.” His voice shook with every word. “That we did not have time. That I did not have time with you, Nesta.” FRICK OMG THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE MOMENT I BECAME COMPLETE NESSIAN TRASH. AND THEN THE KISS. OH MY. I CANT. I JUST LOVE THEM SO MUCH.
and elain coming to the rescue omg heck to the yes
chapter 75: nesta stabbing the king is tHE BEST. i can't just feel the pure rage and emotion radiating out of her as she twists the blade in his neck. think of the people she's doing it for. her dad, her sisters, her new family, cassian. this scene gives me so many feels
amren saying she's glad she met feyre awe
chapter 76: AHHHH RHYS IM SOBBING NO FEYRE HDAUKHJD AHHHH WHY DID RHYS DIE ON PAGE 666
chapter 77: feyre screaming for rhys nononononono i feel my soul shattering
rhys was DEAD and he comes back making a JOKE....why is this not surprising
chapter 78: lucien is back ahhhh it feels like he was gone for the whole book tbh
yes drakon and miryam hauifheajkdfhajfha
chapter 81: RHYSAND’S POV YESSSS
talking about feyre’s “beautiful laugh” ahhhhhh they're sooooo cuteeee
chapter 82: i LOVE the fact the book ended with them all peaceful. they deserve it. i love everyone. i am happy. goodbye.
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modernbookfae · 7 years
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for the ACOWAR prediction asks, let's see 4, 15, and 26 💗 may your vechile situation work out as well as how Amarantha's death sufficed
Hahaha thanks @easkyrah! Also my Jeep is fixed, but my bank account is broken. *sobs*
4) Cassian’s wings. Go. In my heart I want Cassian to keep his wings and be able to fly. They’re such an important part of him with joyful memories of the sky and exhilarating freedom. And just imagine him flying with Nesta and showing her all the world has to offer! 
But in truth I would not be at all surprised if Cassian loses his wings. It would be a major step in showing how a character copes with a physical disability. (Because we all know that Illyrians rely greatly on their wings and without them it could mean a mental/emotional disaster to the fae who loses their wings.) Cassian can persevere through this. I have no doubts about that. He would still be an incredible Commander who looks out for his troops and leads them to victory. And in all honesty I think this would be good for Illyrians as a whole to know that even when they are seemingly “broken” or “weak” they can still triumph over their own personal obstacles.
15) Would you rather Nesta train as a warrior, or more of a strategist? Do you think she’ll actually be willing to help out the Night Court? BOTH. Considering her personality and how far she is willing to protect her loved ones I can see her putting 110% into combat training and developing battle strategies alongside the Illyrian generals. She’ll struggle at first to adapt to her new form, but she will join the Night Court. She does have a score to settle with Hybern. (Which I gladly await to see in ACOWAR!)
26) What are three things you do NOT want from ACOWAR?
1. I don’t want there to be any “regretful” last words given in the Inner Circle. I’m not holding out too much hope that everyone is going to walk away from the war. And so if Rhysand, Feyre, Amren, Mor, Azriel or Cassian say something to someone that just rips out all our emotions right before that person dies…NOPE! I just don’t want to hear it!
2. I do not want to be kept out of the loop if our ships reveal their feelings for each other/kiss/ or do something beyond kissing (if you get what I mean).😏
3. NO BABIES.
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allhailqueenmaas · 7 years
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ACOWAR Predictions
Rights to the lovely @abookandacoffee for all of these awesome questions. 
I’m just going to answer all of these bc I need to get it out of my system and I’m about to EXPLODE WITH ALL OF THE FEELINGS I HAVE ABOUT THIS. Also this is going to be fucking long and foul language will occur. And spoilers (duh)
1) Do you want any other POVs besides Rhys or Feyre? Which?
Can I have all of them??? Ummm... I really want all of the Inner Court, Feyre’s sisters, Lucien, and Tamlin (only bc I want to see what the fuck he’s up to). SOOOOOOO basically all of them. 
2) If you could only pick one ship, elucien, nessian, or moriel, to officially become canon (IE declaration of love or, ahem, physical consummation), which would it be?
The thing about Elucien is that it came out of FUCKING NOWHERE, but I know that Queen Maas does everything for a reason and Elucien will come into the light and be important in the plot and be THE MOST adorable couple in ACOWAR. 
Nessian is just all of the angst and hate/love tension and I love it. I love it so much and I don’t know why, but I love it. 
Moriel seems like the most likely one to happen, just based on the fact that they’ve known each other for A CENTURY or some crazy amount of time like that. But they’ve also known each other FOR A CENTURY AND HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING WITH THEIR FEELINGS. THEY TREAD THE LINE BETWEEN FRIENDSHIP AND LOVERS BUT DON’T CROSS IT AND IT PLAYS WITH MY FEELINGS.
I’m torn between Nessian and Moriel, but Moriel feels the most tangible for some reason, so I’ll go with them. 
3) Do you have any theories about what will happen with the war? 
SOMEONE IS GOING TO DIE SARAH SAID IT HERSELF AND I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE MOR AND FUUUUCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. My baby Az will not be okay and Cassian’s gonna loose his shit and Rhys will be heartbroken bc they’re close and Feyre will be heartbroken bc Mor was her first girlfriend. AND IM GOING TO BE HEARTBROKEN BECAUSE MORRIGAN WAS GOING TO BE THE QUEEN OF THE COURT OF NIGHTMARES AND SHE WAS GOING TO BE THE GREATEST QUEEN EVER. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
4) Cassian’s wings. Go.
OKAY. I have to be optimistic bc I have no other option. I am going to assume that the frame of his wings will be okay and hopefully there’s some kind of version of that spider-silk shit from TOG (that saved Abraxos’s wings) and that shit will save his wings. MY BBY WILL HAVE HIS WINGS AND HE WILL LIVE HAPPILY WITH NESTA AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY. OKAY? OKAY
5) Do you think we will see Miryam and Drakon? Do you want to?
I do think that Rhysand is going to get as many allies as he can against Hybern (while Feyre is kicking ass and taking names in the Spring Court!!!) and that will include Miryam and Drakon. I wasn’t really interested in them until I read this fanfiction about Miryam being Rowan’s daughter (credit to the author, I’m so sorry i don’t remember your name) and that got me interested in them, so I do want to see them. 
6) Which character (outside of Rhys and Feyre) do you want to see getting the most developement?
Nesta. She needs to redeem herself and apologize to all the people she has given shit to.
And Azriel. He needs to figure out that HE IS WORTHY OF LOVE AND HAPPINESS. ESPECIALLY WITH MORRIGAN. 
7) Tamlin: redemption or death?
Can’t he have both? I want him to redeem himself by switching sides at the last minute and apologizing for everything. And then he dies during battle, but no one is with him when he dies and no one notices until later when Lucien’s like “where’s Tam?” They find his cold body on the battlefield and Lucien broken-hearted and Elain’s comforting him and everyone else is either sad or angry. 
8) Do you think anyone will die in ACOWAR (that we care about, that is)? Who?
LIKE I SAID EARLIER I HAVE A FEELING THAT MOR I GOING TO DIE AND I HATE IT BUT IT’S THERE. 
9) What role do you think the other courts will play in the war?
I want all of the other courts to join the Night Court. I think if that does happen, then the Summer and Spring Court will be the most resistant. OR MAYBE one of the courts will be a DOUBLE SPY!!!! Who knows?
10) Are there any minor characters (e.g. the Bone Carver, the Weaver) that you’d like to see again?
SURI!!! And I want to see Lucien’s brothers and the Court of NIghtmares so justice will be served accordingly.
11) How effective of a spy do you think Feyre will be, really?
Hopefully, her eavesdropping techniques will have improved from when she did it in ACOTAR...
12) Which court do you most want to see in ACOWAR?
DAWN COURT. OH MY GISH I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT. 
13) Lesser fae - do you want to see more of them?
YES!!! I want to learn whether or not there are different types of species of fae or of it’s like humans, where they just have different characteristics but they’re the same species. 
14) How do you think Elain will react to the mating bond with Lucien?
I think at first she’ll be like, “The frick frack diddly dack does that mean?” and someone will have to explain mates to her, but they explain it wrong bc then she’s like, “Oh. It’s like a lifetime best friend. I’ve always wanted one of those.” And then her and Fox Boy will become besties, but she’s still with her hubby who hates fae, so Lucien is like a little secret. ANd he lets her stay with the fae-hater bc he wants her to be happy (and he’s not a fucktard like Tam) And then one day she’s talking to someone (probs Nesta) about Lucien and Nesta’s like, “sounds like your in love...” ANd Elain’s like “Whaaaaaaaaa??.....” But then she thinks about it and she’s like, “oh crapdoodle, I am in love with him.” So she confronts Lucien about this revelation and he’s like, “I’ve always loved you, my daisy.” (he gives her flower related nicknames and it’s the cutest thing ever). And they live happily ever after bc Tam’s dead (see #7) and they rule the Spring Court. 
15) Would you rather Nesta train as a warrior, or more of a strategist? Do you think she’ll actually be willing to help out the Night Court?
Both, but she’s a better strategist than warrior. I think that eventually she’ll trust the entirety of the Inner Circle, prob after one of them saves her life from a training thing or whatever. 
16) Mor’s power - what would you like it to be?
I HAVE NO IDEA BUT SHE’S GOTTA BE POWERFUL AS SHIT BC SHES THIRD IN COMMAND, MORE POWERFUL THAN CASS AND AZ. And we know she has healing powers (from the end of ACOMAF) but isn’t that common?... 
WAIT WHAT IF IT’S LIKE MANON AND ASTERIN AND SORREL WHERE THEY BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT 
Rhys = darkness  Amren = badass monster thing  Mor = light??? 
Light power (like alina!!!) makes sense bc she’s upbeat and cheery most of the time. idk
17) What do you think the dynamic between Lucien and Feyre will be like in the Spring Court?
I feel like Feyre will use Elain against Lucien to get info or to keep him from telling Tam about her spying (that’s terrible, but...) 
Or maybe Lucien will stop being so gray and he’ll side with Feyre bc they’re besties and so he can be with Elain and then he’ll be a spy alongside Feyre and he can get info that Feyre can’t. 
18) How do you think the Cauldron might come into play in the war?
One of the sides is going to use it to win the war with the immense power it has. I saw something in a post by someone who caught this thing they saw in a book: apparently Cerridwen (one of the twins in the NIght Court) means “keeper of the cauldron” or something like that. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So hopefully that’s prevalent. 
19) The mortal queens: do you think they all survived taking a Cauldron bath? What would you like to see happen with them?
Nope. I would like to see them die (except for the lion one) NEXT
20) Amren: what is she, really? Would you be ok if she got to go home?
SHE IS A BADASS MOTHERFUCKER AND IM SO EXCITED TO FIND OUT HER OTHER SELF. If she’s happy going home, then I’m happy; but she will be missed *insert sad face*
21) Jurian or the King of Hybern or Ianthe: who needs to die more?
Jurian is a jealous bitch and the King of Hybern is your typical dramatic evil dude but IANTHE NEEDS TO DIE THAT MOTHERFUCKER NEEDS TO DIE A TERRIBLE DEATH BY THE HANDS OF FEYRE. Just... WHAT A BITCH!!!!
22) What smut scenes would you like to see in the book?
ALL OF THEM???? Mostly Moriel (around the middle of the book, after Azriel comes to his senses) and Nessian (not until the very end, before the war, when she has apologized for all of her horribleness)
23) Babies - yea or nay? If you had to pick one couple to have a mini, who would it be?
None of the Inner Court bc none of them are stable enough to have a child. Also Feysand themselves said that they wanted to wait A WHILE before they did (ACOMAF, end of Chap 55). Not Elucien bc they’ve only met once and that would be messy. 
I think it would be hilarious if Tamlin and Ianthe had a one-night-stand baby. OOOHHHHH and then Elucien would adopt the bby (bc those other bitches are dead) and he grows up all good and pure and he’s a part of the whole big family. 
24) How do you think Nesta and Elain will react to being thrust into the Night Court after going for a swim in the Cauldron?
Sidenote: I love how this question is worded.
Nesta will, of course, resist it with every fiber in her being and then, with convincing, slowly accept it. 
Elain will be uncomfortable with it, but she’s an optimist, so she’ll come round a lot faster than Nesta will. 
25) How quickly are you going to read this book, exactly? Do you want spoilers? Or are you going to avoid tumblr like the plague?
Okay. My friend, who is also an avid fan of ACOTAR, and I have agreed that we will wait until the summer to read ACOWAR, so one of us doesn’t finish before the other and psych the other out, which is what happened with ACOMAF. So from May 2nd until after we finish Lord of Shadows, my friend and I will be avoiding social media like the plague. My friend doesn’t do social media, so she’ll be fine be fine with this. I, however, have a sort of relationship with Tumblr darling. so this adjustment will be.....interesting. 
26) What are three things you do NOT want from ACOWAR?
In no particular order: babies, death of the Good Peeps, and Feylin sex scene (won’t Calamai happen while Feyre is in the Spring Court?)
27) What are your top three wishes for ACOWAR that you would metaphorically (or literally) kill for?
Also in no particular order, CASSIAN’S WINGS TO BE SAVED, MOR’S POWER (WTF IS IT), THE INNER CIRCLE BEING BADASS MOTHERFUCKERS KICKING HYBERN ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cleopatraas · 7 years
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Honest Opinion: Rhys, Rowan, Tamlin
I’m clearly opening up the door for a lot of hate, but honestly I want to share my thoughts. I’ve shared them on Tamlin, but I haven’t shared them on Rhys and Rowan, and certainly not on the three side by side. 
Skip this post if you’re already about to read it with the “anti-Tamlin, die Tamlin, Tamlin the Tool” mind set. But if you’re willing to hear my thoughts and not throw stones at me, then hear me out and continue. 
I don’t know how to say this sweetly, so I’m going to get straight to the point: All three of these males are abusive. Wait a moment, and hear me out. 
Basically all of the fandom puts R&R in a different category than T. And here’s why. 
When Rhys and Rowan abused Feyre and Celaena(Aelin), they were doing it to keep them alive. I thought this at first too, and in ways they were, but that does not mean they were NOT abusive. 
In the case of Rowan, yes he was her trainer, and yes Fae set different standards all around the board. I’m not so much as talking about him using his magic and pushing her to the limits, I’m not even talking about Rowan punching Celaena, which is a lot of what comes up when people are anti-Rowan. I am not anti-Rowan. But Rowan did tell Celaena he wished she had died the night her parents died. I don’t have a quote, but I’m sure you guys can find it. 
That triggered Celaena’s PTSD. That night is something she shoved very deep inside herself so she never thought about it again. She never wanted to think about it because she blames herself for their deaths. This is emotional and mental abuse. Remember this when I talk about Tamlin. 
Of course Rowan was physically abusive as well. Hold onto Rowan a second, because I’m going to move onto Rhys. 
I understand Rhys was wearing a mask and he was trying to hide his true self. That does not justify the abuse he put Feyre through Under the Mountain. Just as with Rowan, Rhys was doing it to keep Feyre alive. But this does NOT justify what he did. Rhys physically abused Feyre when he was in the cell and he twisted her arm. Yes, he did it so she would agree to his healing magic, but he still did it. 
He also drugged her. You can argue that he did it to give Feyre a night where she was away from all the nightmares Under the Mountain, but yes, Rhysand drugged her. I avoided some highly triggering topics when writing about this, as a curtesy to anyone who decided to read this far. 
And Feyre was a human then, so at least you can argue Celaena was a Fae deep down inside (even if she was in her human body). Now hold onto Rhys as you are holding onto what I said about Rowan, and let me talk about Tamlin. 
Tamlin is the abuser we all relate to more. Whether you have been abused, know someone who has been abused, or you just feel like you connect with Feyre, Tamlin is going to be the one you hate more. 
Do I blame SJM’s writing? Depends on how ACOWAR turns out. These are my honest opinions. 
Tamlin also abused Feyre. We all know what he did, we don’t need to rehash anything, we all read the book, you all hate his guts. It’s a given. But it’s funny how no one is arguing Tamlin locked Feyre in the manor to protect her, maybe? It triggered her, just as Rowan triggered Celaena, but only one is really seen as the bad guy? I just don’t really understand that. Then again I do. 
I’m going to close this post out with this, all three of these males are(were) abusers, but only two have been given the chance to work for forgiveness. Rhys got a 500-600 page book (ACOMAF) to prove himself. To prove he wasn't the sadistic monstrous High Lord Under the Mountain. Rowan got QOS and EOS to prove he wasn’t this sadistic trainer who fed on the blood of babies. So because we have these books to focus on instead of HOF and the end of ACOTAR, we forget how abusive they were. It also helps it was pretty obvious at the time R&R were going to be the love-interests. 
Tamlin does not have this. He doesn’t have a book where he can prove himself. While we were given a 500-600 page book to love Rhys, we were given those pages for our hatred of Tamlin to grow and manifest into this beast inside of us. 
Tamlin is still in his ‘Tamlin’ stage. And that’s why I hope in ACOWAR he can have that redemption. Rhys and Rowan got their redemptions, and good god almighty they didn’t have to die for it. So why does Tamlin have to die for his? Can you believe two are the main love interests and one is not?  
You set Tamlin on different (higher, in a way, and crueler) standards when he doesn’t have everything R&R have. And I can see why you do that. Not everyone picks apart writings and finds these things and not everyone wants to listen. It’s easier to hate Tamlin. 
This post is for Rhysand, Rowan, and Tamlin. Based on what I wrote, I’m sure one person or another will ask why Nesta doesn’t deserve the same thing. But this post is about Rhysand, Rowan, and Tamlin. 
Now I can go as far to admit that Nesta is my Tamlin. Nesta is the person who makes it impossible for me to pick and prod at her character and to see her side. People have asked me why I hate Nesta, why I can’t give her redemption, but I am not ready to open that emotionally scarring side of me and share it to a crowd of people on the internet who have a tendency not always to be accepting. 
That’s all for this post. Thank you for reading, if you did. 
Note: do not tag this under anti-Rhys, anti-Rowan, or anti-SJM. Thank you. 
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