#deku and shigaraki being possessed

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Deku's possessiveness V.S. Kacchan's protectiveness

Bkdks. We've all read countless fics with bkdk pining after each other, of them getting jealous and whatnot. Usually, the fandom labels Kacchan as the possessive one and Deku as the protective one, but I (respectfully) disagree. I say that Deku is the possessive one and Kacchan is the protective one.

Now, when I say Deku is possessive and Kacchan is protective, I'm not saying that they don't have the other trait. bkdk are both protective and possessive of each other. HOWEVER, the way I see it is:

Deku is possessive. When he gets possessive, it feeds his protectiveness.

Kacchan is protective. When he gets protective, it feeds his possessiveness.

When you read fics from Deku's POV and he's seeing Kacchan being happy with someone else (both platonic and romantic), he gets possessive. Why not me, why THEM, I know him better, I've known him for LONGER, etc. There also is a kind of "indulging" in the "selfishness" of wanting Kacchan all to himself if that makes sense. Like yes, he'll feel bad about being jealous over Kacchan having friends, but also he can't bring himself to stop being jealous/possessive of Kacchan. Deku's possessiveness has the message of "I know Kacchan better than anyone else ever has/will, I've worked hard to stay by his side and I'm not gonna let some EXTRA take him from me."

However, when you read fics from KACCHAN'S POV, and he's seeing Deku being happy with someone else, he gets protective. He also kind of attacks himself in the sense of "I want the best for Deku and I am not the best. I hurt Deku countless times in countless ways, [person] hasn't hurt Deku like I have, and [they] will make Deku happier than I ever could. If they ever hurt him though [they]'re dead." Kacchan's protectiveness has the message of "I want Deku to always be happy. If he's happy with someone else, then I'm happy."

Again, Deku does have moments where his protectiveness shows more than his possessiveness. A prime example is the training camp arc, when Kacchan is kidnapped. It starts as possessive, with Deku basically going "Give my Kacchan back!" and Compress commenting on this and saying that Bakugo doesn't belong to anyone.

However, as his possessiveness increases, Deku's protectiveness also increases. He's a lot more self-sacrificial and desperate in reaching Kacchan to save him. To protect him.

On the other hand, Kacchan also has moments where his protectiveness gives way to more possessiveness than usual. The first example is when Kacchan is stabbed by Shigaraki. He sees Deku about to get severely injured, and he becomes protective and takes the hit instead of Deku. However, after getting stabbed, he says "stop trying to win this on your own." This is where his possessiveness shows, in which he's trying to fill the role of being a Symbol of Victory. "Let me be YOUR Symbol of Victory."

There's also the fact that Bakugo carries guilt because of his actions from the past. This has him being more prone to leaning away from being as possessive as Deku is because "I hurt Deku. I don't deserve him. Deku isn't mine. He doesn't belong to me, he never has." Because of this he leans more towards protectiveness in the sense of wishing for him to be always happy in the ways that he prevented when they were younger and whatnot.

Of course, during his apology, he also expresses how they all will help him. However, you also have the moment where Izuku stumbles and falls. Kacchan's protectiveness comes in as he rushes to grab him and hold him steady. Izuku apologizes for the things he says, and Kacchan says "I get it." Not we, because his possessiveness comes forth in that moment. It also comes forward when he talks to Class 1A and Endeavor.

"You know nothing about Deku."

"I know Deku more than anyone else."

Those are very possessive statements, which are very similar to Deku's possessive mentality.

However, Deku doesn't carry guilt. This has him lean more towards being possessive of Kacchan. "I've ALWAYS stuck by Kacchan, you must be stupid if you think YOU can take him from ME."

However, I also think that once bkdk enter a relationship and Kacchan truly, wholly believes that he is worthy of Deku's love and the relationship in general, he'll allow himself to be a lot more possessive. Like once he's had the realization of "Izuku deserves the best and he chose ME, and I trust his judgement so that means I'm the best for him," he'll go, "Anyone who tries taking him from me will lose a couple fingers. I bite bitch," which is how I feel a lot of people think he's like from the get-go, when that more blatant possessive comes later on.

Again, it all circles back to the good old "bkdk are two halves of a whole, they complete each other."

Win to save, save to win.

Victory and peace.

Protectiveness and possessiveness.

Anyways.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, bkdk is canon I will kill AND die on that hill and I do not take criticism. Have a great day.

#bkdk #bakudeku #dkbk #dekubaku #mha meta #bnha meta #mha #bnha #my hero academia #boku no hero academia #katsuki bakugo #izuku midoriya #bkdk meta #bakudeku meta #dkbk meta #dekubaku meta #deku #kacchan #bakugo x deku #bakugo x midoriya #katsuki x izuku #katsuki x deku #kacchan x deku #kacchan x izuku #zay's crackpot rants #bkdk character study #my very first long post for bkdk oop #or mha in general lmao #this was fun #mizismiz

[codenamesazanka]

because like, Tenko, age 5, wanted to be a Hero and the reason he gave for it was "there were these two kids who was being excluded by the others, but I was nice and became their friend," making the very core of that desire kindness. A sense of fairness, a refusal of rejection even if everyone else was doing it; then the willingness to reach out, to bring them them into his fold. Connection. Friendship. Belongingness.

And see, Tenko himself understood rejection, for he was rejected by his own family - gently, he notes, the house my father built rejected me gently - but it was denial all the same, it decayed him from the inside out; then he understood it to a level that shattered him, when an entire city of people ignored him at his most desperate and vulnerable. Saw him, and decided he wasn't worth helping. A city of people who lived under All Might billboards and touted Heroes as the pillars of their society, who expected, demanded help and saving from Heroes, and yet turned around and did not feel the need to embody those ideals themselves, never even thought to pay it back or forward. The common trash, all too dependent on being protected. And the Heroes themselves? Brave guardians who created the trash that need coddling. They uphold all this. Whatever they believe, whatever genuine and high ideals individual Heroes hold, they have relinquished it to safeguard the system. A corrupt, vicious cycle.

(Even now, Heroes see him and—what happens is this: Possession by All For One has them musing strategically that they rather deal with All For One than Shigaraki; the arena to battle him in is called his Coffin In The Sky. Those jerks who hurt me over and over, he calls the Heroes he fought - and he tells this point blank to Deku. And above all, Heroes would give their lives to save a corpse - already broken and gone, I already destroyed that one - in midst of an urgent war, when years ago on a normal day, they never showed up to reach out a helping hand to a child looking to live on after the end of everything he knew. The dead have their place among the Heroes; but not all of the living. Do they even consider him as part of their world? Not like anybody would even look at me.)

Tenko can't forgive them; Shigaraki won't forgive them.

And these two things are what make up his origin, feeding into each other. It's because he values connections, friendship, belonging, that he refuses to forgive - everything I've witness in this world, lead to the existence of that house...this whole system you've built has always rejected me...Now I'm ready to reject it…; and because he refuses to forgive, he wants to destroy the world to create one where there's nothing but the one enclave of solidarity and belonging he founded - the League of Villains. The future? Unnecessary. Whatever lies ahead, I want them to live how they see fit.

That unforgiving valuation of connection and belonging, though, is also directed at himself. After all, Shigaraki himself rejects the world, rejects having a place in it. It’s not allowed to be part of what comes after his horizon. He does not believe in futures. He killed his family and destroyed any chance of reconciliation. He’s committed atrocities that put a chasm between him and the rest of humanity. Now he rejects being human at all. Shigaraki believes the rejection to be complete both ways, and belongingness to be mutually exclusive. Understanding is no longer on the table. It’s him vs the world; it’s the League vs everyone else; it’s I don’t care if you don’t understand… That’s why we’re Heroes and Villains.

To stop Shigaraki is to save him; and to save him, the key is exactly that origin, the two things most important to him, but remade: forgiveness, and reconnection.

#Shigaraki Tomura #bnha #mha #heroaca #nalslastworkingbraincell

[marsssbarrrr]

League of Villians Boys x All-Mights Daughter Reader Headcannons

yes i thought of these while rewatching season 6 shhhhh

SEASON 6 SPOILERS

Shigaraki

the two of you absolutely met while he was trying to kill you

he showed up at your apartment in the middle of the night and had you against the wall, four fingers on your face

you caught him off-guard when you smiled

“do it.”

“excuse me?”

“you heard me. do it. got nothing left to live for anyways.”

he just kinda recruited you after that

you’re quirkless but you’re good with all that techy shit

you’re able to hack into UA’s defenses and get them info that wouldn’t be available to them otherwise

he just kinda falls for you at some point

and you always kinda liked him

things move pretty slow, but he’s very possessive

you don’t realize this until about a month in

you were walking late at night when a group of guys tried to jump you

he was watching you and dusted them before you could even get a word in

bottom line, he loves you and he would do anything if it means protecting you from scumbags and heroes

anything.

Dabi

you met when you were kids

your dad was unintentionally neglectful, and he’d dragged you to some hero convention

endeavor dragged touya too

you were roughly 16, he was 17

you snuck off with him onto some secluded balcony to smoke some weed and you both just sat there

maybe you vented to each other, maybe you sat in silence

one thing stays the same though: neither of you were your father’s successors anymore, neither of you the star pupils

when he went missing, you really didn’t think anything of it. you weren’t close, but you still hoped he’d be okay

you met again years later, 21 and 22

a league member and the number one hero’s daughter

he found you in a subway, you were on your way home from a college class

when you got together, he kept you secret from the league

toga could absolutely tell something was up though

the league ended up on the run after a while, touya was always out trying to recruit people

that’s what the league thought anyway

in reality, he spent a majority of his time with you

after a while, after all for one took over shigaraki’s body, you touya didn’t visit anymore

you you found them during spinner’s very moving speech

everyone’s heads whipped toward you.

shit, all might’s daughter. they were screwed

“what’re you doing here, doll face?”

“making sure you aren’t dead.”

everyone was mildly confused and felt a little betrayed at first

eventually, they accepted you

but only after you killed that eavesdropping hero

dabi isn’t exactly possessive, per say

he just wants you safe

he knows what it’s like to have someone be overbearing, after all

he loves you, you love him

secretly, he loves that he corrupted the former number one hero’s daughter

what a slap in the face to society, right?

Compress

he saved your ass from being mugged

absolutely he did you can’t change my mind

you admired him for a while after that

your dad was confused when you became more closed off, but he didn’t really have the time to worry

he was more focused on deku. always was

neglectful parents, am i right?

compress saw how much it hurt and comforted you

you left to join the league and be with him

they accepted you with open arms

compress is all about PDA

he holds your hand, hugs you, peppers your face with kisses

when bakugo was kidnapped, he yelled at you specifically

how the hell could the number one hero’s daughter betray society like that?

compress held you that night

he’s just so doting

he steals you expensive things, usually jewelry

he just wants his princess to have everything she deserves

one night, up on the roof of that run-down shack the league was holed up in, i press found you

“what’s wrong, love?”

“…my dad. he reached out.”

you’d been gone for months

he’d only just realized you were gone

what a stand-up father.

compress sat beside you all night up on that roof

he just wants his girl to be alright

Spinner

you were the first person to look at him like he was just any other person

because of his past, that hit him hard

he was hooked fast

you weren’t willing to leave and join the league

but you bonded over your fondness for stain’s ideology

you’d both experienced first-hand how fucked society was, after all

he’s not big on pda, but in private?

he’s all over you

he hugs you from behind while you’re cooking, holds you close to him while watching things on the tv

“that smells amazing, hon.”

“i know, it’s your favorite.”

you love the shit out of him

you hold him when he’s going through touch shit, and he does the same

it hit you hard when he stopped coming around

they were on the run, not much you could do about that

still hurt, though

he somehow still finds the time to leave you gifts and notes while you’re sleeping

he can never bring himself to wake you

after all this time, even after being evacuated to UA, you still love the stupid fucker

no matter how much time you spend apart

#my hero acedamia #my hero x reader #mha headcanons #mha x reader #dabi x reader #mha shigaraki #shigaraki x reader #spinner x reader #compress x reader #boku no hero academia #mha fanfiction

[barid-bel-medar]

I wish you would write a fic where...

Bakugou times travel to the Creek incident, well his mind and memories does. This time he swears to do things right with Deku and his peers.

However he makes things much worse when he decides he will be the one to bear the One for All legacy.

Katsuki can never entirely tell where he went wrong.

He'd taken Izuku's hand that day in the creek. He'd tried to keep their friendship the way it had been when they'd been kids, tried to protect Izuku from bullies and teachers. He'd done everything he thought would be the right thing to do and...

And somehow it wasn't.

Somehow all it led to is Izuku slipping away from him, calling him Katsuki instead of Kacchan, of there being a lingering sense of resentment in his friend's eyes (had he overdone it with the protectiveness? What had he done wrong? Even at his worst it the other timeline Izuku had still wanted to be his friend, but here that wasn't working). It is working with his peers! He is having healthier relationship with the extras and will hopefully have healthier relationships with their 1-A classmates!

But somehow that isn't happening with Izuku.

Katsuki takes a deep breath, knowing he has to focus and plan.

Even if he can't really fix things with Izuku, he knows he has to make sure Izuku doesn't take on the responsibility of One For All. The responsibility was too much for the other in the end, and resulted in Izuku almost dying. He can't let that happen again.

(He ignores how in the last fight against Shigaraki he'd almost died, with three pro heroes sacrificing themselves to save him)

"Just need to find All Might and convince him to give me One For All," he mutters to himself. He gets why All Might gave Izuku One For All, but he'd be a better choice for it. He'd be able to do what Izuku had not been able to do, which was kill Shigaraki and All For One. It should be easy!

(He ignores how All For One died due to has final plan to possess Shigaraki failing; that it never needed to happen at Izuku's hands. He ignores how Shigaraki's survival related more to Izuku's correct belief the other could be redeemed.)

After all, Izuku convinced All Might that he was the right choice because he saved someone. That's all he needs to do too! Save someone where All Might can see, and profit!

(The issue at the end of the day is this. Katsuki did not in fact get why All Might gave One For All to Izuku.)

(The issue at the end of the day is Katsuki not realizing he's not the only one who went back in time, and Izuku resents Katsuki for deciding he's the better choice for everything. That at the end of the day Katsuki still doesn't understand it.)

(Katsuki never got what it meant to wield One For All)

(Katsuki never catches All Might's eye.)

(Izuku still does)

(Izuku is still the Ninth User)

(And once more Katsuki resents, because he's always supposed to be the best choice)

#ask game #time travel thing #would probably title this if a real fic #best intentions aren't good enough

[palesweetscherryblossom]

I would love to hear more because I currently cannot imagine what this would look like. But I am excited

Y'all gonna eat good.

-So, All Might is the ruler of the seven seas, you and Deku are his adopted children, since both of you came from Inko and she married Toshi.

-Inko sadly passed away thanks to humans so All Might and by extension, Izuku are incredibly protective of Reader.

-Toshinori is a protective and obsessive Yandere while Deku is a possessive and analytical one

-Like in the movie, Reader still has the fascination with humanity and desires to flock together with mankind.

-Enter Shigaraki, who is the forsaken and universally hated adopted son of AFO, a sea warlock who tried taking over the sea. AFO is actually Reader’s father, and died of a broken heart due to you being taken away -Shigaraki is an obsessive, possessive and stalkerish Yandere.

-Shigaraki had been watching over his little sibling and desperately wanted to make All Might and Deku pay for brainwashing and keeping you away from him

-Same old, same old happens, with You saving Prince Todoroki from a storm. Shigaraki catches wind and decides that now’s the perfect opportunity.

-Oh, how his cold heart breaks once seeing your precious human artifacts be destroyed.

-After making the deal, You now gotta choose between the love of your life, your family and Shigaraki

Massive shit show in the making

#platonic yandere #yandere mha #Yandere Deku fam #Little mermaid au #yandere shigaraki

[featherstorm2004]

All For One's death

I am a little confused at some of the disappointment I've seen directed at the latest chapter or well chapters, more at how Horikoshi has handled All For One. Because, I don't see how this could have gone differently given the current circumstances but to organise my thoughts I will start with the first arguments I've been seeing.

"I am upset that All For One went out the way he did"

This one I can kind of understand since with the reveal of his backstory, he has successfully (in my eyes) become one of the most complex and well thought out characters in bnha. However, due to the fact that it was revealed so late it meant that for the people who had just gotten attached to him or the people who had been craving this character development for a long time, it meant we had a short time to enjoy it and his character fully before he died.

And that kinda sucks and I get that, I wish that this backstory was revealed sooner like I would have had it revealed in the vigilante arc where Deku was exploring why villains are the way they are, maybe we could have had both All For One and Yoichi narrate it as Deku was getting used to his vestiges and Shigaraki and All For One were fused. But I understand why that didn't happen since it was clear that Horikoshi was experiencing burnout after writing the monster of an arc that was the war, plus I'm pretty sure he was dealing with a new editor/manager which couldn't have been fun.

In a perfect world Horikoshi would've taken a nice long break after the war arc and then started working on the next arcs but sadly that didn't happen. But I'm happy we got this backstory at all since it's clear he's been rushing to finish the manga as soon as possible (which I can't blame him for) and I'm glad to see he cared enough about All For One as a character to make it crystal clear why he is the way he is and that despite everything that he is in fact human.

As for the people who are mad that he's not the main villain, I'm not really sure what to tell you. Yes he is a really cool character/villain and it might have been cool to see him in all his big bad glory but this has never been his story; it's been stated over and over again that All For One and by extension All Might's time in the limelight is over, this is Deku and Shigaraki's story not theirs. Since the beginning it's been made abundantly clear that bnha is a story about successors and the legacies they carry and if you wanted a story about their predecessors then you're reading the wrong manga.

Which brings me to the next complaint I've heard, people that are upset that All For One was included in the first place.

I can understand this to a point, I too was upset when All For One barged in and tried to steal Shigaraki's thunder, it was frustrating I can admit that. But I also wasn't too surprised after all it was an incredibly in character thing for All For One to do and Horikoshi needed a believable way to handicap Shigaraki so the hero's had the slightest chance of winning, and vestiges had already been long established in this world.

But most importantly there needed to be a reason for Deku to believe that Shigaraki needed saving and to want to do so in the first place, and being forcefully possessed by the most evil man in history is a pretty good motivation to save someone.

And to be honest there was no way that Horikoshi could get away with not using All For One at all after there had been so many hints and foreshadowing to him eventually breaking out of prison, people would have lost their minds if he had never been included. Especially after he had been built up as this master manipulator who had warped Shigaraki's mind for years and had been pulling the strings of Japans underworld for a century.

It would've been seen as the worlds biggest missed opportunity so, I think Horikoshi handled it the best way he could've whilst keeping the integrity of his characters and the main theme's of the story intact.

And I think it was probably for the best that we spent that time deconstructing the myth that was the villain All For One because in my eyes he really didn't fit in the world of bnha; which has spent it's entire story exploring how people aren't born good or evil and that bad people can choose to change if they want to and that good people can also do bad things. So, to have this pure evil villain who was just born that way didn't really mesh well with the tone and message of the story, he needed to be brought down a peg or two to be made more human in order to fit in and I think Horikoshi succeeded in that.

Now that I'm thinking about it, that's probably the reason I never cared for All For One at the start as I could sense that he didn't belong in this world. And I didn't start getting invested in him until he started falling apart because suddenly he made sense in the narrative, but that's just my opinion. I'm not saying that pure evil villains can't be fun or thematically appropriate, just not for this story.

But yeah those are my thoughts of All For One's death at the moment I'll probably do more meta's about it later but I wanted to respond to the complaints I've been seeing.

#character analysis #all for one #my hero academia #shigaraki tomura #bnha deku #afo #bnha meta #bnha #bnha spoilers #boku no hero academia #mha #bnha 410 #mha afo #meta analysis

[venomtoad420]

Ok so we know how Deku currently has lost both of his arms as well as all of One For All after he punched the quirk into Shigi which led to him entering Shigi's memories...And we also know that Shigi also lost his consciousness to AFO who is now possessing his body as well the Decay quirk being lost....What if it caused something from Shigi to enter Deku....What I'm getting at is.... WHAT IF DEKU NOW HAS SHIGARAKI'S SINGULARITY ADAPTATION ABILITY?!

#mha #bnha spoilers #izuku midoriya #shigaraki tomura #tomura shiragaki #bnha #mha manga spoilers #mha midoriya #mha all for one #mha quirks #midoriya izuku #tenko shimura #mha tenko #shigaraki tenko #mha chapter 419

[transhawks]

379 - The Story of How We All Became Heroes

in all seriousness, me and google lens were scanning each page and I was very thrilled through out the chapter. Here's some thoughts:

We know Tomura has been there since the start. Even in the raid/war he was struggling against All For One and saying he didn't want to be possessed. What we should really take this as is this: throughout the entirety of the Villain Hunt, all that, Shigaraki was awake and aware, hence the moments he'd show up or even regress into an earlier age. But there's a specific horror to how All For One has been riding him like a meat suit that's cognizant of all that's happening. But it does mean that Tomura knows exactly what's going on and what All For One has been doing.

Now!!!!!

Let's get this down:

that. does. not. mean. Tomura's. desires. are. gone.

Tomura's arc has been about asserting his own agency against what has been planned for him - despite no one listening to him. Is it frustrating to see him in the same web that All For One spun for him, willingly? Yes, in a way - but people don't change that easily and again, for the entirety of his arc we've been watching him articulate why he believes what he does outside of All For One's influence; now does this mean he's broken free from All For One? No - because Shigaraki constantly bringing up the "hero" and "villain" monikers is going into the same direction All For One is.

All For One is a liar.

He might say he doesn't believe in morality, in the designations of society, but he truly does - he wants to live and abide by them. He likes this dichotomy of heroes and villains and never will the twain meet. It's fascinating seeing a character who has been telling us he's amoral turn out to be simply, knowingly, and on purpose immoral and there's a big difference.

So, let me change things up - Shigaraki's arc from the start (and Deku's) has been about predetermined outcomes and roles. All For One doesn't think of people as being outside their role. He throws tantrums when jobbers like Jirou and Tokoyami get the best of him, when extra side characters like Endeavor and Hawks manage to ge tthe best of him and see through him, when "evil" people like Nagant have changes of hearts, because All For One has utterly internalized the same thing that he's been telling Tomura, that everyone has been telling Tomura:

you can't change who you are. That you have a role and you should stick to it.

And that's determined from the start, from the beginning -

not all people are born equal.

And Tomura still thinks that - that's why he's still calling Izuku 'Hero'. He still sees this through All For One's beliefs, that there are heroes and they will fail to save the villains, and that he is a villain.

So, no, just because he's bucked off All For One doesn't mean the battle has been 'won'. Izuku needs to change his heart and mind, truly save Tomura. It's interesting that their final showdown appears to be on Dagobah beach, the place Deku cleaned up, a neglected place that society had abandoned and made worse. The place where Deku learned to be a hero.

Now, it looks like it's still in shambles. The question is that whether the beach just became a trash heap after Deku and All Might stopped going there or whether the battle/war has caused that issue. But either way it's a metaphor; you can't change things overnight. You have to work hard to help people and keep at it - the process of "saving" people is not what All Might had done! It's not a whambam, thank you ma'am kind of thing. Deku can't just take Tomura and declare him saved once All For One is gone!

And he can't do it alone. Now, Deku will save Tomura, we know that's the manga ending, duh, but how do we get there - and it has to be a societal effort. Deku can't constantly clean up that beach by himself. The community has to realize that they can't keep dumping their trash on beach, forgetting about it as it rots and rusts away to the point the beach is unusable. You can't depend on one person to do that, it has to be a village, a town, a society.

And there's a reason why Tomura keeps bringing up society - there's a real resistance at the great man theory of history with this manga. Recall how they mentioned Napoleon as a "hero" at the very start of the manga? Now, barring actual discussions about the accuracy of Mic's view on Napoleon, this idea that one person can save everyone has time and time again failed. It's what brought down All Might.

After all, isn't this the story of how we all became heroes?

#bnha 379 #bnha spoilers #my meta #meta #shigaraki #this is rough but enjoy

[villainsandvictimsalliance]

At this point the only thing left to do is to sit everyone one by one and explain slowly and with detail why and how Tomura isn't a reliable narrator and what it really means.

The reason it took Deku so long to reach Tenko wasn't arbitrary. It was not an accident. It was planned by AFO since day one and he succeeded to isolated Tomura from the world, rendering his efforts to communicate completely useless.

This (meta?) post is pretty long but you couldn't get it shorter, since I needed to connect a lot of the dots most people seem to be missing.

So here it is. Enjoy.

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— Let's talk about Tomura Shigaraki:

He was an abused five years old kid (I think?) who got his quirk after a beating from his father. The quirk in question is a mutation, not something common anf certainly nothing expected by his family. Besides, he had bottled up years of abuse and trauma, got the bad luck of decaying his dog first and reach a point of stress where that turned his hair of color. He couldn't even speak.

We know Tomura started thinking of himself as a monster when he was alone on the streets, after what happened with the Shimuras. We know too that he was in shock, unable to speak due the severity of his physical and psychological trauma. He was also blaming himself for his family's death (even when he had no control of his power or emotional state at the time) and he thought the reason no one would save him was because they thought he deserved it, because he was evil.

He was five years old.

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If that it's not enough to convince you about him being an unreliable narrator about his own nature and past, let me keep going.

On the chapters where we see his past, we can notice how AFO's point of view is clearly twisting the narrative. He retraumatizes Tenko (to the point of having the kid pucking and shaking on the floor) in order to shape his mind into a new identity: Shigaraki Tomura. AFO located the hands of Tenko's dead family over him to keep him unstable enough to need AFO constantly, incapable of healing. He gave Tenko a new name, dressed him in black, convinced the kid that he'd find peace in destruction (not mentioning that it wouldn't last for long) and sent him to kill.

From that point on, Tomura became a prisoner.

Which in other terms means the Tomura you met at the beginning of the manga is what AFO wanted everyone to see. A manchild, someone to don't listen to, a madman, a menace with no real purpose, a loser, too anxious and unstable.

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Say you want symbolic proff, right?

AFO gave his surename to Tomura as a claiming mark of that being his next recipient. It wasn't paternal, it was a man shopping for a new body once his was old and dead. If you payed attention to the manga, you could recognize how Tomura's clothes slowly changed into AFO's clothes. His hair overcame multiple changes until they reassembled AFO's and he got surgery that not only made him suitable for the AFO quirk, but also made him look bulkier, like AFO. There are other details like Tomura being drawn in parallels to certain AFO's stances, or Tomura losing even his pupils, and big facts like Tomura being outright possessed, c'mon.

The placements of the hands (something I have repeated multiple times) is not accidental either.

They hands on the back of his head is keeping it down, along with that one on his shoulders, arms and neck. Keeping him in place. Grounding him as chains would. They get destroyed when there's no need to hold him back anymore (funny enough in the same fight his clothes change to look like AFO's and when Gigantomachia accepts him as his master).

The hand on his face is special because it's the thing he hates the most, Father. The symbolize a will keeping him away from the world, blinding him, suffocating him, covering even his mouth. People won't listen or see Tomura for what he is and it is Bakugo who knocks that hand for the first time. Not because Bakugo was seeing him, but because Tomura was being really vulnerable there. Tomura destroys Father several times, but we keep seeing hands overlaying his face as to symbolize he is not free yet.

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We start seeing Tenko and the real Tomura with the League of Villains, on Overhaul's arc a little and mostly on My Villain Academia.

I'll make a quick pause to mention from MVA on, Tomura goes most on the manga on a state of mind that is... Like dude. Fainting or severely sleep-deprived to outright possessed in various degrees. He's unpredictable to say the least but it allows us to break into the chaos of his mind.

Okay. Continuing.

With the League, we start seeing a side of himself that is more than a bloodthirsty criminal. We see that he cares about them, he's loyal. That doesn't come from AFO. We see he has hobbies, worries about the League and he pays attention to them. He trust and encourages them and values them closely, and doesn't hold them accountable for their own mistakes.

He gets his revenge for Magne, promises Toga he wouldn't destroy what she loves, compliments Twice and doesn't punish him for recruiting Overhaul and holds him down before panicking and warns them about a dangerous situation so he could protect himself (uffff!), plays games with Spinner and doesn't get mad when he complains about Tomura's leadership and values them just as much as everyone else on the League... Tomura priority was also to fulfill Mr. Compress wishes about food and find them some money, and he trusts Dabi blindly with operations, even shortly after their first meeting.

He seeks Deku to talk (in the most twisted way possible but c'mon, raised by AFO) and doesn't fall short on making rational criticism about the hero society. He explains his trauma to Ujiko and the League enough to make Spinner cry, noting that Spinner at that time was probably the most human of them all, the healthiest mentally.

Horikoshi intentionally makes you see how complex Tomura is so he can culminate with him tragically losing his consciousness and body to AFO on the War arc. Deku finally sees beyond AFO's disguise because he could connect with the Vestige world, but to everyone else? No clue they couldn't use or understand. It was all AFO.

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Tomura's character is driven by the desire to find peace and closure about what happened that night with the Shimuras.

For 20 years AFO (basically the only person in his life beyond Kurogiri, who was a nomu himself, and Doc Ujiko, who doesn't count) convinced him he would find peace if he destroyed (everything). Tomura did as instructed, only to find AFO was tricking him into becoming his new body.

There's a lot about how he strikes some hard truths about the hero society on the process, but essentially what we see is a misconception. He tells people "I want to destroy" and people says "so you must be evil" and they fight.

Because Tomura can't openly say "I want to find forgiveness for something I did on accident when I was five and I want to understand why no one helped me back them" so people could say "then you are searching for peace and acceptance and you are upset because society failed you, let's rehabilitate you".

You can't ask him to judge himself. You can't ask someone who doesn't understand the situation to judge him either. But we, as readers, we know everything and are outside the narrative, that's why we're supposed to root for him finding closure. We're supposed to root for Deku reaching him because that means Deku successfully breached the gap of miscommunication between victims or the system and the heroes that are supposed to help them.

Deku saving Tomura is a representation of the new era of heroism triumphing and defeating AFO's manipulation once and for all. It's supposed to represent hope for those the light couldn't reach and instead fell om AFO's hands, hope for the forgotten and invisible, a world where a quirkless kid can protect the ones who are like he were.

BNHA is a story about how dangerous miscommunication is, about how big problems come from little problems who accumulated over the years, how victims become abusers and abusers can be victims, how a smile is worth everything but we need to fight for all the smile around us, not just our own.

It is a story about duty and recognizing we are to blame and we need help and we need to accept our responsibility and deal with the consequences of our actions if we want things to get better.

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Tomura is an unreliable narrator because Deku is suppose to teach him all of that, like he taught Eri or Kota or Bakugo or even All Might.

AFO is the real villain because he doesn't want to be taught, he chooses to be blind. He ready once upon a time a story and decided everything was fiction and he could make up stuff and force people to believe it, if only he had enough power and influence to do so.

The story is not suppose to hand this to you word by word! You're supposed to make an effort to understand it. Yes, to understand every character including and especially Tomura Shigaraki.

I can't state this enough, but if you don't understand it now that I've explained it at length, better treat this manga as just another fighting story. Don't try to analyze the message blatantly ignoring what Tomura Shigaraki as an unreliable narrator means to it.

#bnha #mha #my hero academia #boku no hero academia #league of villains #lov #shigaraki tomura #Bnha spoilers #Afo #All for one #Tenko Shimura #Shimuras #Deku #Midoriya Izuku #Shan's bnha meta #Shan's mha meta #Mha meta #Bnha meta #Tomura Shigaraki meta #Tomura meta #Shigaraki meta #Afo meta #Deku meta #League of villains meta

[transparentbeardmentality]

BKDK foreshadowing and parallels to Gentle/La Brava- VILLAIN:

We see La Brava hysterically fight and wail over Gentle being apprehended, "He's my everything. You can't steal him from me!"

"Don't take my Gentle away!"

"If I can't be with Gentle... I'll just die!!"

Gentle confirms how extreme her attachment is, how losing him would affect her, narrating that La Brava: "..would go on to commit crimes beyond anything we've done so far!"

And Deku gets it. He even does his bit to cover for them.

The story soon rolls on to Bakugo getting taken by the villians, and Deku likewise losing his mind over it.

He possessively screams for him back. He's busted up, outmatched, inexperienced, but he fights for him. It parallels La Brava over Gentle: Her futility, her lack of regard to save herself, and her breakdown. He will parallel it right down to the "villiany" prediction too.

Deku fails. Collapses on the ground screaming.

He wakes up in a hospital with a thousand-yard stare and can't remember anything. (Note: he also later forgets Bkg getting stabbed by Shigaraki, because bkg harm is so traumatic. This is why he can't remember what Bkg said.)

At the hospital, innocent, straight-shooter Deku wants to join the secret rescue of Kaccan. It's extremely dangerous to their lives. It risks OFA. It risks way too much for green students to go anywhere near it.

He is pointblank told that doing this, directly defying UA and its leaders for Bakugo, are the actions of a villain.

That's pretty extreme language. That makes rescuing Kacchan a "criminal" act...

Still, Deku chooses Kacchan.

Ahem, -"...would go on to commit crimes beyond anything we've done so far!"

That can't be an accident...

Anyway,

I love our first glimpses of Deku completely losing it, fighting for Kacchan, and seeing what he'd risk for him -even when not in the heat of battle. 🧡💚

#bkdk #bakudeku #parallels #villain #gentle and la brava

[theuntamedangel]

Wanna get them off my chest

Few things i wanna talk about here. I'll go point wise

A: Overhaul arc had all the male characters do something epic all while giving us a solid background to their past lives, even the villains like Rappa were given a decent amount of interest. And they fought like crazy. The girls (god i HATE Nejire) were there just to be cute and have girly moments. Their team effort couldn't put up a respectable fight against that giant meat head of a villain despite having a pro hero by their side and their victory was shown off screen. Why were the female characters even there? They're all fap bait material and anyone who says otherwise, you need therapy, help, you need Jesus

B: This is hard for me to say it, but here goes. I have a soft spot for Shigaraki and a few LoV members. But they are as stupid as the heroes because if they'd been a tad bit smarter and actually did some serious digging, they'd be able to figure out about Hawk's true intentions. No chips, no tracking devices, no hidden cameras attatched to his clothes without Hawk's knowing, or anything of that sort despite knowing Hawk's is actually the #2 hero of Japan? I don't run any criminal organization but even my dumb brain can tell me that this is plain stupid. Thanks to the LoV being this gullible enough to allow Hawks to dance, prance and flutter his feathers all over the place, we are in this shit storm now.

C: The villains had Best Jeanist's dead body floating around in their facility, waiting for the right moment to use it and turn it into a nomu. Wouldn't the ''right time'' have been now, during the war? If you need to make both the villains and the heroes equally stupid and irrational, then it's better to take a 3 to 5 months hiatus and rethink about the plot of the series

D: Stars and Strips. Enough Said. Also, i won't be going into details about the latest events of the manga because I have self respect and also because I dont care. Maybe I will once the manga ends.

E: It's ok for both Izu and Mirio to use Eri's quirk but it's not if its the villains who are doing it. Double Standard. Also, Overhaul himself could have used his own quirk and made bullets to sell them off in the back market. He too can destroy and heal at the same time. Sell the healing part of his quirk to the heroes and sell the other quirk of his to the villains. Capture Eraser Head, use artificial drugs to enhance the erase quirk and also sell his quirk in the black market. Problem solved. This whole Eri plot still doesn't sit well with me.

F: MVA is pointless, Shigaraki's growth and achievement and him getting more powers from the crazy doc to become even more stronger because a war was coming, are not worth the the mention because potato ball sac just possess Shigaraki. That poor character is now a nothing ass character. I'm sorry Shiggy hunnie, you're my ultimate anime husbando but I see the reality too and it's twisting my heart, ripping it apart.

G: Don't expect/have high hopes for Deku vs Shigaraki to happen because the manga is busy wetting itself for Bakugou. Hori might not be decent enough to let this happen

H: Who is Izuko Midoriya?!?

@theloganator101

@anti-katsuki-lounge

@mikeellee

@amethystoceandespiser

[robotlesbianjavert]

my biggest worry is that horikoshi will change shigaraki's personality. he'll just make shigaraki a completely monster deku has to beat/misguided victim deku has to save. sometimes i even wonder if shigaraki remembers the league when he hasn't talk to them in like 200 chapters.

hokay this was sent before bnha 411 where we have now had shigaraki mocking deku but still somehow revealing enough for deku to double down on believing that shigaraki is still human (WISH HE WAS MORE INTERESTING ABOUT IT) so i don't think we have to worry too much about making him a complete monster who can only be eradicated.

there is still concern about making him a misguided victim who exists only for deku in all his saviour bullshit to save, but i think this arc if nothing else has done enough to show that tenko the weeping child and shigaraki the destruction-indulgent terrorist are still the same person and can't be neatly separated. horikoshi still COULD do that because it's not like bnha is unfamiliar with bad writing. and deku who does nothing except have bad writing is a part of this. but we do have a good foothold at least.

if we see that flattening of shigaraki's character, in either direction, it'll be because horikoshi needs to be done with the manga. shigaraki is a character that he's put a lot of effort and love into, not just in bnha but in the tenko oneshot and his previous series about a zoo or something, and if horikoshi wants to do right by only a single character it would be shigaraki. i would think. but again his health is supposedly Tanked right now. so who is to say what happens.\

but also now with 411 DIRECT SPINNER MENTION YO. NOT JUST SPINNER MENTION BUT A SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO SHIGARAKI BEING AWARE OF HOW MUCH THAT WARPED CRUMBLING HORIZON AFFECTED SPINNER. like yeah over 200 chapters of shigaraki being weirdly separated from the league, both in scene (either being in a different location, unconscious, or possessed when they are together post-mva) and in thought, which has always been so strange and alarming when the league is shigaraki's most important relationship outside of all for one, and when specifically spinner's character has revolved so much around how he feels about shigaraki, so to get nothing out of shigaraki's feelings beyond, "i just want them to live how they see fit" for so long is weird and not great! for a long spread there i was worried we'd get a reveal that shigaraki actually feels nothing about them despite their loyalty and even kill them himself.

but with the hullabulloo made about 'tenko' having friends and the spinner shout out here, plus having to reach a resolution that affirms shigaraki's humanity somehow, it does seem that spinner and the league, and how shigaraki feels about them, are going to play some kinda role here.

But Who Is To Say. This Isn't A Great Manga.

#bnha bloggin #bnha 411 / #bnha spoilers /

[codenamesazanka]

what was the point of the possession plot. for real, someone tell me it’s most lasting impact, because as of now:

AFO becomes final boss maybe AFO will have another comeback but currently he’s being handled and defeated by someone who is not the main protag

Deku physically and metaphorically saves Shigaraki from AFO Shigaraki broke free on his own!

moral lesson about Shigaraki’s rage being detrimental by empowering Ultimate Evil AFO to continue controlling him Shigaraki’s negative emotions leads to AFO’s downfall because it was too powerful for AFO to control

#4. Spinner gayngst. but then he help undo it #nalslastworkingbraincell #i do actually want an answer though #please and thank you #about point 2. obviously Deku still has to save Shigaraki from nihilistic rage and despair #but that stuff is Shigaraki’s own. even if afo contributed to Shigaraki believing the world is hopeless #Shigaraki has made it his own (‘everything i’ve seen that created that house’) and reaffirmed it each time #not so much saving Shigaraki from AFO anymore so much as convincing Shigaraki the world/hero society with all its flaws deserves to remain

[satancopilotsmytardis]

Speaking of Dabi being a workaholic, I can imagine that when he released the video, all the LOV are confused about is where he found the time to record it co suffering his working habits.

Or would Dabi consider that work 🤔

Or consider that just ‘Revenge-Work.’

Speaking of which once again, based on how you write the villains. If Shigaraki in the fight against Deku, Aizawa, Bakugo and so on realised that Dabi was going against Endeavour and his brother. Do you think he’d try and intervene despite being pretty caught up with his own fight.

Or would he have talked to the rest of the LOV already on what to do in that situation behind Dabi’s back.

Dabi considers his revenge his reason for living, it supercedes work and his relationship with Tomura, so he would have cut out time to go do that, though he would have likely tried not to draw too much attention to his absence when he did it.

As for the second question, I believe that Shigaraki was already unconscious/possessed by the time Dabi showed up and started to get into it with Shoto and Enji, so he would not really have been able to intervene. However, I have definitely talked about the fact that if they're dating, Shigaraki would wake the fuck back up without needing Father so that he could help protect Dabi from himself, and also the heroes I guess, but Dabi is definitely more of a threat to his own health and safety in that moment.

I do not think, if Shigaraki did know the truth about Dabi's identity beforehand, that he would tell the rest of the League, as he would feel that's a huge violation of Dabi's trust. He's already doing bad enough by lying and saying that he'll let Dabi burn himself out for his revenge, he's not about to implicate the others in that too and make it so that Dabi feels like he has to escape the League in order to reach his goals.

#tanco speaks #ask #asks

[palesweetscherryblossom]

What would happen if Reader decided to stay with:

My current favorite what if

If Reader decided to stay with Shigadabi then this would be the outcome: You would be isolated from humans and would essentially become a honorary naga. You would know how to hunt and essentially be wild.

Shigaraki and Dabi would be very happy but would be extremely possessive and coddling. Especially when it comes to dating and mating, once you reach a mature age, nagas might attempt to seek you out and then that’ll just lead to a whole bunch of food for the vultures.

Also, you might be manipulated to the point of sharing their hatred of humans and might end up killing some. Deku might be your first victim or Shigaraki might murk him first. Shigaraki would keep his bones or gun as some sick trophy.

Or Deku might just die of grief without knowing what happened to his little sibling. It’ll be very tragic that’s for sure. But on the plus side, Shigaraki and Dabi will love you very much and keep you safe.

Deku: You’d grow up very normal and have an upper class life. Deku would be extremely wealthy and you’d have a good life. You’d have a doting but possessive big brother and his wife but hey, you’ll grow up somewhat normally.

Although, Deku would be incredibly paranoid and would probably go out with an army of his friends and take down Shigaraki and Dabi. Shigadabi would probably die of heartbreak first since they couldn’t protect their baby, holding onto each other and slowly withering away from their grief. If you being missing for so long really deeply effected him, he’d be helicopter parent level of paranoid. If it was REALLY bad, then he’d lock you inside the house, keeping you far away and safe from anyone aside from him and Ochako.

(I’ll do Overhaul and Hawks in a separate thing once we explore them. Give me asks about them! I’m dying to spill my knowledge!)

#platonic yandere #yandere shigaraki #yandere mha #yandere dabi #naga shigaraki #child reader #naga dabi #yandere deku #mythical forest au

[haleigh-sloth]

Bakugo/2nd User/Shigaraki

*cracks knuckles*

Alright, I don't need too much more detail for the point I'm making here, not really. So I'm just gonna put this out there now with the information from 362 we have. And I'm not even going to entertain the notion that Bakugo is actually dead. Please understand..lol. I don't have the energy for that.

What I DO have the energy for is relating all of this to past, present, and future circumstances, and of course to Shigaraki. Because yes, it is necessary.

I talk a lot about Shigaraki and Midoriya and their ties together, the things that bring them together and all that. And I have about Bakugo as well, just not very in depth. But this chapter brings ALL of that back into the light.

And I HAVE said it before--Bakugo is basically a dress rehearsal version of Shigaraki for Izuku. Bakugo and Shigaraki are paralleled, to an extent. Izuku is only a small point in this post though, like the ribbon tied into a bow at the end to bring it all together. Because this is not a linear, clear cut relationship among these 4 characters (2nd, Bakugo, Deku, Shig).

Just for a brief moment, I'm gonna take it back a bit and point out where Bakugo and Shigaraki started walking along the same sort of path, that path that inevitably will lead being saved by the same person, and in Bakugo's case, already having been saved:

Bakugo was having his body hijacked, taken over, possessed, etc. Bottom line, Bakugo was going to disappear. Sound familiar?

The Shigaraki versions are clearly callbacks to chapter 1. CLEARLY they are.

The next key moments that relate the three living characters in this little quadruplet together:

Understanding. I've been screaming it for a long time. Lack of understanding has been one of the underlying issues among these three. The word "understanding" has been used way too many times with them for it to not matter, and it was even brought up as recently as....oh idk, three chapters ago, in this same fight:

So, understanding is important.

Izuku is wanting and working to give it, Bakugo thinks he's already achieved it, and Shigaraki is still seeking it.

Now, I'm about the bring the second user into the equation, but first I want to draw attention to what happened this chapter and in chapter 270:

Here is where I'll just say that....having a stopped heart means nothing. Lol. Shigaraki's heart stopped during the war. It was noted that he was basically dead, but we know that it was just near death.

What happened during that near death experience was Shigaraki facing the regrets from his past:

And Shigaraki's regrets and issues lie with his family. That's why he manifested them in his head.

Bakugo on the other hand:

We know his regrets lie with someone else, and also with himself. But he's looking at them as he's nearing death.

But Shigaraki rejected his regrets, and rejected death, while Bakugo seems to have accepted his regrets, and accepted what’s to come:

Now, idk how, but he'll be fine. Seriously. Dead. Fucking. Serious.

These are a series of details that point out parallels and cross points in his and Shigaraki's arcs that are inevitably going to end at one end point, with Midoriya's arc as well.

No I'm bringing in the 2nd user. Here is where I'm really not sure. I haven't theorized on the relation to Bakugo other than Bakugo fulfilling the role he played. I doubt they're blood related, and a Hard No to the time travel theory. But clearly the resemblance is intentional. And we're finally beginning to get follow up on it.

Here's where it gets all cluttered and not entirely clear who relates to who, or how:

Midoriya & Shigaraki---> hero & villain; foils, parallels, narrative shadows of each other bound to integrate

Midoriya & Yoichi---> representatives of OFA and the idea of saving in the OFA/AFO plotline

Yoichi & Shigaraki---> parallels (kinda); Shigaraki is Yoichi 2.0, needed saving from AFO

Bakugo & Shigaraki---> parallels; saved (or will be saved) by Midroyia

Midoriya & 2nd User---> the one choosing to reach out to the person needing saving from AFO

Bakugo & 2nd user---> lookalikes, 2nd in line within a plotline (2nd user/2nd hero)

Sigh, do you see how it's all fucking messy and all over the place. Anyway--it all ties together in a nice little bow :)

OFA (Izuku) and a 2nd Person (Bakugo) will save someone from AFO (Shigaraki).

BUT--keep in mind what the 2nd user had in mind at first. He went in guns a blazin'. Sound familiar?

But 2nd stopped in his tracks and immediately changed his approach. Because unlike the current situation with Bakugo and Shigaraki, the 2nd user immediately saw someone who needed help. It was obvious with Yoichi. With Shigaraki, I mean even the vestiges themselves were debating whether he “looked the part” as someone who needed saving. So it’s completely believable that Bakugo has still yet to have that view of Shigaraki. He doesn’t know, how could he?

Now this is based on the belief that Bakugo is in no type of saving mindset right now. I personally am not convinced that he has had that talk, had that conversation, or idea put into his head by Midoriya. I just...I don't see it. And this isn't the time for him to reach out anyway. So imo, it would make most sense for that to be the case right now. (we'll see though).

But the bottom line is---Bakugo will be a hero who reaches out a hand.

FYI---I'm not gonna theorize about the vestige business because we just don't know yet. It seems Bakugo is seeing vestige AM which will require some in-manga explanation that makes sense (canon or not, movie doesn't cut it). But I'm just gonna leave it at--he's tied to all this shit lmao.

Now look, there are some components to this Shigaraki business that he can't do. He can't handle the Shimura Family turmoil and help Shigaraki clear all of that guilt and self hatred, that's on Izuku to tackle. But seeing as how Bakugo and Midoriya are two separate people tied to the "understanding" issue with Shigaraki, are two people whose validation/opinions/insight/whatever you wanna call it Shigaraki sought out at one point--it makes perfect sense for them both to show that they're opening their hearts up to understanding someone they both previously rejected, because it's time to try something new.

Where along in the process Bakugo will contribute, I'm not sure. I have my own personal ideas as to how that can go, but my main guess is he'll reach out his hand, and lift him up onto his feet after Shigaraki's fought off his inner turmoil (through Izuku's efforts) enough to reclaim his body and be himself again. Be that backup reassurance that, "Yeah, people are here for you, finally." Specifically two people Shigaraki looked to for different reasons, no less. And, for my own personal hope and prediction, start working with Bakugo and Izuku to finish the war together.

#bnha #bnha spoilers #bnha 362 #bakugo katsuki #shigaraki tomura #midoriya izuku #deku #dynamight #i have no idea if any of this tied together smoothly but it's there #take it #do with it what you will #boku no hero academia #bnha meta #shimura tenko