#i ship wolfstar and remadora

[lovefromremus]

why has nobody pointed out the fact that both sirius and regulus were forgotten by their past lovers for another woman? remadora, jily, they could have supported one another. except they didn't have their lover and they didn't have each other either.

#no jate to lily and dora #i love my queens #i ship wolfstar and remadora #and also jily and jegulus #so dont kill me i jsut like angst #marauders era #the marauders #marauders #wolfstar #jegulus #remadora #jily #sirius black #remus lupin #james potter #regulus black #dora tonks #lily evans

[cubeapples]

my chronically annoyed ass comes across one of those "canon characters react to fanon ships" and one of them was tomarry and in the post, harry's like, "UM EW WTF.. blah blah" and i just got So pissed, like, just because the ship that you like is canon doesn't make you morally superior! obviously canon harry wouldn't want to get fucked by voldemort! but you do realise that talented people who make this pairing plausible with their amazing writing skills and headcanons exist, right?

and another post that was like, "i can't believe millenials get these amazing ships like jily, remadora, hinny, (continues stating het canon pairings) but gen z decided these were trash because they were fxm... and decided drarry, tomarry.. (continues stating gay pairings) etc. were better," and, like,

NO???? you just stated the most bland, boring pairings in the whole series?? it's not our fault your reading comprehension is so abysmal that you think jily, a white heterosexual couple that got married straight out of highschool is more interesting than the hot mess that is drarry/tomarry???

like, i'm not bashing you for liking canon pairings, but it is factually untrue that fanon pairings are automatically less interesting than canon pairings! that's a you problem! your statement reads like you think heterosexual pairings are better than homosexual pairings and i hope you realise that just sounds homophobic.

and also! grindeldore doesn't count! there is no canon evidence for it. jkr did say it was canon, but it... it literally wasn't in the books.

#Not grindeldore bashing i love grindeldore #but saying you also like canon gay pairings and stating the one (and only) gay pairing that is never explored in canon is... a choice #do i have to tag anti canon ships? i don't hate most of them i just got annoyed sorry #THIS EXCLUDES FANON WOLFSTAR AND JEGULUS #tomarry #harrymort #tomarrymort #drarry #anti jily #anti hinny #anti remadora #fandom critical #fandom criticism

[starrylayle]

coming on here to quickly rant abt remadora. Okk yess I know ‘another wolfstar shipper shitting on remadora’ here me out okay!!! Just for a sec!! I read the Harry Potter books for the first time back in 2017 and remadora was my shit. Remus was my second favourite male character and tonks was my second fave female character. (Harry and cho were my first faves — yes I self inserted into Harry and had the biggest crush on cho — yes I cried when they broke up — shut up we all had our embarrassing phases!!)

Anyways back to remadora, I just thought they were so cute together, even tho it felt a little random. But one thing that I remember that really pissed me off was the ship name. I never understood why it was ‘remadora’ and not ‘ronks’. Tonks hated being called Dora!! I remember ranting abt this on my Wattpad acc (yes I know SHHHH) when I was reviewing all the Hp ships.

I don’t ship it anymore (obviously lol) and looking back, I think my issue with the ship name is lowkey symbolic for my key problem with remadora — it basically removes everything that made her interesting in the first place and reduced her to just Another Woman Character in the series. When she got with Remus, she became more mellow, more feminine, more complacent — which are fine traits btw — but that’s not tonks!! Now as I’m older, and re-reading the series, I see a lot of subtext for a gender non-conforming and possibly genderqueer person forced into a heterosexual relationship simply becoz jo didn’t want ppl thinking Remus was gay and coz she had this weird thing abt all ‘good’ women being mothers.

Which brings me to tonk’s pregnancy — I wouldn’t mind a storyline for tonks having a child — I just hate how jkr had to fit it into this whole nuclear family model and get her and Remus to get married. I feel like a more compelling, or at least consistent characterisation would have tonks having a one night stand with Remus after they were both mourning their cousin/uncle/lover’s death. Shit happens sometimes. And it would be interesting to see Tonks and Remus grapple with this and what it means for their child.

Another head cannon I saw on tik tok was that Tonks had a threesome with Fleur and Bill and since polyamory wasn’t socially acceptable she asked Remus to be the stand in legal father — and ofc Remus would say yes coz he’s Remus!! This hc sounded wild to me at first but they all gave me queer vibes and it just makes me happy so now this is the headcanon I stick with lol.

Anyways not every woman has to have a husband and 2-3 kids to be a good person jkr!! Families are complex! Women are complex! And Tonks deserves better imo.

P.s. if you ship remadora that’s completely okay!! This is just my opinion!! I’ve seen remadora shippers who don’t water down tonk’s character/subtextual queerness — I just hate how jkr depicted the ship in canon.

#anti remadora #wolfstar #remus lupin #nymphadora tonks #tonks #marauders hcs #marauders #marauders era #this is without mentioning the thirteenth year age gap between them #usually when it’s two consenting adults I don’t mind #but tonks is a fresh and eager graduate #and remus has survived a fucking war which has aged him more #not saying it’s predatory #it’s not at all #!!! #the gap just may unintentionally create a power imbalance within their relationship #ronks #tagging this to see if anyone actually uses this ship name

[boredbook]

im back on my "Tonks & Remus as wlw & mlm solidarity" thought train. Remus as the always tired art professor and Tonks as his TA (& favorite student even tho he denies it constantly). they are besties. the first time someone assumes they're dating Remus gags and Tonks literally threatens them and Remus has to be like "uh no dont threaten people with witnesses??? im not bailing ur sorry gay ass outta jail". People assume from Tonks's eccentric outfits that she would take her coffee very sugary but no, she drinks plain dark coffee and actually enjoys how bitter it is. Remus is dependent on sweet herbal teas. If he orders coffee check to make sure he isnt needed in a hospital. Now this might make you think "oh hes the responsible one of the 2" no that bitch is as chaotic as her, he just has chronic pain and doesnt have the fucks to give. the only people who can keep those 2 in line is : Minerva McGonagall, Andromeda Tonks, Hope Lupin, Effie & Monty Potter, Lily Evans, and Marlene Mckinnon (Tonks looks up to Marlene & Remus respects Marls so much for drop kicking a man in a bar for being a dick)

#mlm and wlw solidarity #fuck jkr #remus lupin #nymphadora tonks #THIS IS NOT A REMADORA SHIP POST!!! #wolfstar #maybe even #wolfstarbucks #any ship with Tonks getting the gf she deserves #plot twist with headcanon i write: #trans remus lupin #trans nypmadora tonks #maurders era #muggle au #lily evans #marlene mckinnon #andromeda tonks #minerva mcgonagall

[moonlightdancer26]

URE SO SO SOOO REAL FOR PUTTING TONKS #1 AT HOTTEST HP FEMALE CHARACTERS LIST I HATEEE HOW A LOT OF WOLFSTAR SHIPPERS HATE HER FOR "TAKING REMUS" LIKE WHAT THE FUCK honestly I'd kill both lupin and sirius for her

thanks anon 🙏🏼 all the HP women are on another level of FINE but Dora’s just on a different level istg

also YEAH WOLFSTAR SHIPPERS WHO HATE ON HER ARE SO ANNOYING, last night I saw a slideshow on tiktok saying “your (Remus’s) new girl” with a pic of Dora and the other slide was “is my (Sirius’s) cousin” with a pic of Sirius. Like bae Sirius was never Remus’s girl, Dora was Remus’s only canon love interest. Period.

#i HATE when there’s a cute remadora edit and wolfstar shippers comment mean things #like babe my ship is actually canon unlike yours 🥰🥰 #remadora #nymphadora tonks #anti wolfstar #woah this tag used to be a STAPLE in my blog #i miss it ngl #harry potter #hp #ask #asks

[cursedwithwords]

I saw a post the other day about how Teddy should have been Sirius' kid instead of Remus', people hate remadora so fucking much they're willing to have Tonks shag her own cousin instead of Remus, are you KIDDING me I am so tired. "It would make more sense" get OUT of my house I am going to vomit into your SHOES!

#on god thats gotta be the worst take ive ever seen in my life #almost worse than teddy being an mpreg baby for wolfstar #please just get out of my house i am so tired #remadora is a good ship and teddy is a LUPIN i stg #one of the points was that maybe he wasnt even tonks' kid maybe sirius just banged some other chick #please get help im- #“it would make the situation more tragic” I THINK TWO PEOPLE DYING IS TRAGIC REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE ACTUALLY #also just fyi i dont actually hate mpreg i literally do not care i have read and written everything at this point including mpreg #i just dont like wolfstar

[i-looove-dillydallying]

I’m a wolfstar-shipper, but I actually really like the Tonks x Lupin pairing as a concept; it had a lot of potential that, unfortunately, was not met (though I am a sucker for tragically bittersweet endings, as well as characters who deem themselves unlovable being loved unconditionally, so kudos for that). Part of the perceived poor execution comes from the fact that the Harry Potter series is told through limited narration: we know what Harry knows, and we may be more curious about certain relationships that exist within his periphery than he is. There could’ve been an entire contextual build-up to their seemingly abrupt feelings for each other that Harry - and by extension us as readers - simply did not experience. Personally, however, I feel like we could’ve been thrown a bone regarding their developing romance here and there, considering that it has already been established just how much Harry eavesdrops. Granted, we did get Molly mentioning how people rush (romantic) decisions in trying times: “Its all this uncertainty with You-Know-Who coming back, people think they might be dead tomorrow, so they're rushing all sorts of decisions they'd normally take time over. It was the same last time he was powerful, people eloping left, right, and center...”

And now for the potential in dynamic I mentioned: after losing the rest of the Marauders, Tonks’ whimsy might have been just the thing to reawaken Remus’ playful side and create a light in the darkness of war (remember Dumbledores quote about turning on the light?), and Remus could’ve helped cultivate her mature side. As with any good ship (imo), there was also plenty of room for angst: Tonks was an auror, Remus classified as a “Dark Creature”. You can imagine the rest.

I don’t mind their 13 year age-gap as much as I thought I would (and other people seem to do), but that might just be a matter of personal taste (and my complete and utter trust in Remus as a good, if occasionally self-destructive and cowardice person). They’re both consenting adults.

What I do mind is the way Tonks’ character changed for the worse as her feelings for Lupin became apparent. What used to be a fun, likeable character turned bratty and unable to read the room (perhaps it is not the time to publicly press for a relationship label - especially with a notoriously private future partner - when he is in mourning). It has however been ages since I last read the books and God knows the films don’t do Remadora justice, so I won’t go too much into that (unintentional?) negative character arc.

As a final note I’d like to say that Wolfstar could be canon-compliant (or pretty much any Marauders-era ship involving Remus) as Remadora happens later on, and bisexuality exists. Luckily, because Harry Potter and the fanon around it are works of fiction, you can interpret the characters and their interpersonal interactions however you like, which is why I politely ask to remain civil in discussions about this post, which I genuinely do hope will occur. No but seriously. I’d love if you voiced your opinion (regardless of whether you agree with me or not) - you’ve already read this far anyway! Thanks for that by the way.

Tldr: I like Remadora conceptually because of their potential, but it (mostly) fell flat.

#essay #in this essay i will #wolfstar #remadora #remus lupin #nymphadora tonks #remus x nymphadora #lupin x tonks #m/f ship #unpopular opinion #controversial take #canon #fanon #harry potter #marauders #literary analysis #relationship #fandom #discussion on writing #let’s discuss #character arc #romance #werewolf #auror #angst #comfort #hurt/comfort #potential #bittersweet

[regheart]

guys. guys. you DO get that remus is a plot device right? his role in the books is like mentoring harry for the duration of 1 (one) book, introducing sirius, being the reason why the other marauders were animagi. jkr had no idea of what to do with him after book 5 and that's partially why remadora happened. the reason why he's not on gof (helping harry, housing sirius or whatever) is because there was no space for him in that book. sirius and moody are the mentors now, those are roles to be filled and he already played his part. he is given no part on the next books, besides having a son and dying to show that war orphans are a thing or whatever (as if harry himself didn't exist), despite that fact that he'd be the best person to help harry process his grief after sirius died. hold him responsible for his mistakes, sure, interesting characters have to be flawed but have the decency to acknowledge when your issue is just a) narrative convention b) jkr being a bad writer which makes up about 70% of the issues in the last three books

#just had to read the absolute worst takes on him #i personally absolve him of everything related to gof #he's a mebtor and someone else was doung the mentoring #it's really that simple #love the concept of remadora but hate the execution #you cannot convince me that jkr was pissed off and shat on his character on purpose #it's not about shipping wolfstar but they were popular at the time and she hated it #remus lupin

[mirrorofliterature]

see, I have soured from remadora and now ship wolfstar - because honestly remadora is a difficult ship to write and execute, and remus lupin is one of those characters which I have an exclusive ship for (and I am a sucker for friends to lovers). but - and I think this is really important - I still (1) respect remadora shippers because that’s called ‘treating other humans with basic dignity’, and I shouldn’t have to say this, but the animosity between wolfstar and remadora shippers is really out of hand, ffs they are fictional ships and (2) I respect and like tonks, as a character, so I cannot deal when people villianise her.

anyway.

#anti remadora #tagging as a courtesy because it's not really anti it's just 'not my cup of tea #but I'll have yours and I'll have mine #wolfstar #remus lupin #the reason why I didn't ship wolfstar for years? #because the primary view of wolfstar I got was people being misognystic and slandering tonks #and that was very offputting #the issue with remadora is that the canon is weak and writing them well takes a really strong writer to deal with their nuances and #complicated relationship #because I like well-balanced ships and for remadora you only got that like 1% of the time #the other 99% felt like character assassination for me #so I grew to like wolfstar because of a fic I was reading for regulus & sirius' relationship #not through traditional fandom #because fandom is quite misogynistic #why do people have to be so hateful? #anyway #hp

[impossible3girl]

Stop talking bad about a character/ship to make your character/ship look good. It doesn't work. Just because your character/ship is less shitty doesn't make it good! Yes "Among the blind is the one-eyed king." but he still only has half vision. It's even worse when you need to make things up to make this character/ship look bad.

#harry potter #sometimes i really hat this fandom #and others #looking at you marauders stans #and snaters #looking at you wolfstar shippers #and remadora antis #and stop hating people for liking that in your opinion bad character/ship #they are nood bad people #it's really pathetic #it only shows that you don't have any good arguments #opinions are not arguments #pro snape #pro snape fans #anti marauders stans #anti snaters #pro remadora #pro remadora fans #anti wolfstar stand #anti remadora antis #snape was not obsessed #remus did not meet baby tonks #i know this are to many tags but i am currently very angry #and need to get this off my chest

[merlin-marauder]

I don’t even care anymore. I ship everything.

#Except snily obviously #And Marlene x Sirius #Don’t forget remadora #Ok just those three I don’t ship #I ship everything else tho #marauders #atyd marauders #harry potter #Jily #jegulus #wolfstar #macevans #Lilene #Emmry #marylene #dorlene #gramus #Siriames #I definitely missed some but don’t worry I ship those too

[andys-control-center]

Yknow I stay away from Harry Potter cuz of the transphobia, but I find the Remadora vs. Wolfstar ship war kinda stupid cuz like guys...Remus Lupin has two hands to hold and two ears to scritch--

#ooc #andys-control-center #remadora #wolfstar #you'd think i was polyamorous the amount of times I've used it as a solution to shipping problems

[snow-licity]

WOLFSTAR STANS ARE FLOODING THE TAG AGAIN!!! So in retaliation reblog with the thing you love most about Remadora and tag every remadora tag you can think of!! (and if you want tag it antiwolfstar just for fun)

#remadora #Remadora is canon!! #wolfstar is not canon #deal with it!! #anti wolfstar #please leave us alone #we dont want your remadora hate here #Remus x Tonks #ronks #remus lupin #i love sirius black!! #sirius black ships remadora too!! #nymphadora tonks

[saintsenara]

Thoughts on remadora?

thank you very much for the asks, anons!

while they are by no means my otp, i really enjoy remadora as pairing - and i think they’re fully up there among the canon couples in terms of being an amazing vehicle through which to explore all sorts of questions about life and love - which i am aware is a sufficiently controversial statement that it involves an immediate engagement with some discourse…

because remadora girlies [gender neutral] get an enormous amount of shit within the fandom, particularly from fans who consider wolfstar to be a more plausible pairing for lupin than tonks. i have seen remadora shippers called homophobes for simply enjoying the couple, justified with the bizarre idea that it disrespects remus' relationship with sirius [so... the non-canon one?] to put them together. i have seen tonks turned into a pathetic shrew who is trying to keep remus from the real love of his life by trapping him with an unwanted baby. i have seen remadora shippers get a lot of the usual stuff that people who prefer the canon-endgame couples do [that to ship a canon pair is boring, that it is indicative of a lack of talent, that it indicates an uncritical support for jkr] magnified to eleven because tonks has the temerity to be a barrier to remus’ relationship with the fandom’s favourite hot and brooding man.

obviously, this is bullshit - primarily because its unreasonable and cruel to invest so much time and energy being mean to people because of their harry potter shipping preferences [fandom should never be that deep].

but it’s also a disappointment to me personally because it means that it can be very hard to find the sort of remadora i like without looking like i’m coming to contribute to the pile-on. because where many remadora fans and i don’t see eye-to-eye is that i have absolutely no interest in thinking about them as a relationship which is actually functional. and, all too often, i find myself sifting through fics which do prefer to interpret them like this - as romantic and passionate and stable - largely, i think it’s fair to say, as a defensive move against the tide of “urgh, imagine shipping that” nonsense - even though all the evidence of canon is that they are… very much not.

i am aware of the pottermore article which smoothes the edges of lupin’s canonical reaction to tonks’ feelings for him in half-blood prince - but, while i read this as something of a retcon to make the relationship more palatable, i also don’t think that assuming that both tonks and lupin’s attraction to each other was sincere precludes them being as dysfunctional as they canonically are. i don’t go in for the common anti-remadora argument that tonks “forces” him into a relationship with her - it’s clear in half-blood prince that it’s not only her who has discussed her feelings with molly and arthur weasley, lupin is definitely flirting with her when they pick harry up in order of the phoenix, lupin is an adult man [no matter other power imbalances between him and tonks - such as the fact that she is an agent of the state which oppresses him] who possesses the capacity to refuse her advances, and - since teddy’s conception is not immaculate - he has no issue with enjoying a sexual relationship with her even if he then wants to run away from the product of that.

instead, what i like with remadora is that they reveal something which goes against the grain of the rest of the series: that love is not always enough. throughout the seven-book canon, we see time and time again the idea that love - and, crucially, love-as-noble-suffering and love-as-sacrifice - is enough to overcome any problem. entire civil service collaborating with a terrorist regime? don’t trouble yourself, love has won. your mother dying in childbirth leaving you to be neglected in a state institution? your own fault you’re not interested in love.

i understand the genre reasons for this, but i also love the way in which lupin especially exists on the margins of these genre conventions [just as he exists on the margins of wizarding society!]. i’m always struck in deathly hallows that he’s the only person who’s actually realistic about the demands of war - particularly when he tells harry that it is breathtakingly naive for him to think he can get through the fighting without having to shoot to kill - and that part of him having to be shuffled out of the way when harry tells him to return to the pregnant tonks is because, were the story focused on realism, the idea that a wanted man who is considered an unhuman by the state fleeing in order to guarantee the safety of his wife and unborn child becomes eminently reasonable and harry's defense of the nuclear family embarrassingly unradical.

and so i like the idea of lupin seeing tonks - and tonks seeing lupin - initially as just a bit of fun, as the two of them being just two chill single people who think the other is hot and interesting and want to bang because of it.

[which is something fandoms in general really struggle with as a concept. we like epic love stories - and you won't find me objecting to that! - but we're less good at thinking about casual sexual attraction or transient friendships, and how these can be transformative and meaningful without having to end up going any sort of distance.]

and i then like the idea of the relationship being forced into a profundity it doesn’t really have the juice to sustain by the sheer avalanche of grief which besets the two of them - sirius, dumbledore, mad-eye, ted - and by the pressure of the war and the fact that the order is scrambling and the hangover of remus' self-destruction in half-blood prince which makes each cling to the other as a life-raft. i like remadora as something codependent and messy and strange and sad, and i don’t think this prevents it being sincere and fun and based in mutual attraction, but instead that these positive qualities can exist in conjunction with the fact that, without the war, it would have been a summer of fucking and that was probably it.

on tonks herself, i don’t think i can say it better than @evesaintyves in this meta on her character. i’ve been really uncomfortable with quite a lot of stuff i’ve seen recently which has taken against the idea that tonks can be meaningfully read as queer on the basis of what we find in the text, above all because it so often comes with the implication that one cannot imagine her in her canon endgame pairing and presume that she’s something other than straight or cisgender. eve sets out an excellent case for tonks as bolshy and liberated and in tune with herself and fun and confused and in flux and still figuring stuff out about who she is and where she’s going - and this translates, may i say, to an astonishingly beautiful way of writing her, lupin, and the dysfunction inherent between them which i highly recommend you read.

#asks answered #asenora's opinions on ships #remadora #remus lupin #nymphadora tonks

[stargazingtranquility]

Remus and Tonks is the most crack canon ship and if it has no haters then I am not alive. Just looking at the facts, Remus Lupin was born in 1960 and Nymphadora Tonks was born (at the earliest) 1972. That’s a twelve year age gap, minimum. Okay, whatever, we have seen worse. What about the fact that her mother, Andromeda, is Sirius Black’s cousin.

If this was in normal terms, you have a grown man, who’s best friends older cousin had a baby when he was basically a teenager, and then he married that baby and had a baby with them. Take it out of context and it’s the grossest thing you’ve ever seen. I’m convinced JKR only made this couple a thing so that one of the marauders other than James would have a child, in order to give Harry a relatable orphan to want to take care of after the second wizardry war. And don’t get me wrong, I love Teddy. He’s perfect. But it makes no sense who his parents are. It would’ve made more sense for a bastard of Sirius to pop out of the woodworks and give Harry a closer-in-age but younger friend to help/see as a little sibling.

There are other issues I have with this couple. The fact that JKR erased the queerness in both characters (wolfstar is 100% canon, and Tonks was canonically written as a trans/genderfluid character, even ignoring the metamorpheus thing and just going off vibes alone) is a big issue a lot of people have. The age gap. The weirdness of them just randomly being together. Andromeda NOT having any issue with this???

I will die on this mountain.

Edit: for y’all that take things too seriously. Obviously wolfstar is not canon and Tonks is written as a cis woman. Duh. The focus of this post is that I don’t like remadora. If you do, great. If you don’t, great. Can’t believe I have to tell y’all to not be dicks and send death threats over a post???

#harry potter #marauders #remus lupin #nymphadora tonks #what even is their ship name #it’s probably stupid #fuck jkr

[addsalwayssick]

i don’t know why, but anti wolfstar and anti jegulus had been showing up on my feed. I don’t care if you don’t ship wolfstar. I don’t care if you don’t ship jegulus. But most of these posts are saying things like ‘stfu if you like these ships, nobody cares, it’s disgusting you ship this’ while also saying that we need to stop hating on them. so here’s to anybody who doesn’t ship wolfstar or jegulus; good for you. you are great, and i truly do hope you’re happy. nothing is wrong with not shipping it, but what’s not okay to do is say that we’re annoying for enjoying and sharing this content that makes us happy. i personally love wolfstar, and have always been weirded out a bit by remadora simply bc of the age difference. that’s my opinion. i adore jily. i also adore jegulus. let people live.

#james potter #sirius black #remus lupin #sirius #jegulus #sirius x lupin #wolfstar #regulus and evan and barty #sirius and regulus #remus and regulus #anti wolfstar #for the people who need to see it #just to be clear #i am a wolfstar shipper #and a jegulus shipper