#Gothel

[frozenwolftemplar]

Seeing how 'Wish' is supposed to be a celebration of a century of Disney that's chock full of homages and nods to their past films, no matter what happens in the film, there's really only one suitable end for King Magnifico:

(source Buzzfeed)

I'm just saying....

It's a tradition!

#disney #disney wish #tangled #disney villains #disney movies #snow white and the seven dwarfs #beauty and the beast #the hunchback of notre dame #the great mouse detective #evil queen #mother gothel #gothel #gaston #professor ratigan #claude frollo #judge frollo #disney animation

[artist-issues]

I remember during the making of Tangled, the filmmakers said they had to work hard to design Rapunzel’s tower to be beautiful and seem like a cozy, fun environment, while also making Mother Gothel seem sweet and loveable, if manipulative.

Because, they said, if the environment is too much like a prison, and Gothel is too much like a villainess, the audience wouldn’t believe in Rapunzel as a character. They’d think she was either stupid or cowardly, to stay in such a nasty situation without trying to escape sooner. But if her circumstances seem just livable enough, just sweet enough, that you can see some of the appeal, then you wouldn’t blame her for waiting so long to leave.

Why didn’t they do that with Wish?

Why didn’t they think that relatability through?

Nobody is really feeling compelled to root for the everyday Rosas citizens during the movie. You don’t feel like rooting for Asha’s cause, or even Queen Amaya’s. Because you think to yourself, “why did it take the townspeople so long to ask the question ‘why can’t we just have our wishes back?’”

Asha comes up with those culture-breaking questions, inexplicably, in the first twenty minutes of the movie. It takes the rest of the townspeople about 24 hours to suddenly start asking that, too.

So why don’t you root for them?

Because when something bad happens to them, part of your brain goes, “why didn’t they see that coming, though? Why didn’t they ask questions? That one’s a little bit on them.”

And you don’t really feel that feeling you got with Mother Gothel, where you were like, “Oh yeah, I can see why the main character trusted this villain; the villain really seems to care about the hero, if you didn’t know what she was after.” You don’t;t get that same feeling with Magnifico. Because the whole idea of what he does—by erasing people’s memories and yelling at them and having no moments with regular folk where he’s warm and personal and building trust—is so malicious that we don’t believe the other characters couldn’t see it.

We COULD HAVE believed it. If they’d added in good writing and character moments to make it believable.

When Magnifico interacts with the people who trust him and are duped by him, he’s up on a stage, flashing superpowers they don’t have and then disappearing back into his tower after only granting one wish. He’s not on the welcome tour with Asha. He doesn’t know his own palace staff by name. He’s done nothing to build the trust all the side-characters unquestioningly give him. So even at the end, when everyone’s like, “aw, we wanted to believe in Magnifico,” we don’t feel it. Because didja? Why? Everyone could see that coming.

Meanwhile Mother Gothel tells Rapunzel she loves her most every time she leaves. She laughs with her. She reinforces every conversation they have with the idea that she’s desperate to protect Rapunzel. She brings her her favorite soup as a surprise and remembers the ingredients. She goes to get white paint on a very long trip so Rapunzel can paint. She compliments her strength and beauty—even if it’s backhanded. She calls her “dear,” and “darling.” She knocks thugs out with sticks, returning even after she argued with and supposedly ‘gave up’ on Rapunzel, all to supposedly’ protect’ her. So when Rapunzel realizes it was all an act, and she’s wrathful and furious and grabs Gothel’s hand, we DO feel it. Because we believed that Rapunzel really didn’t see this coming, so the shock stings worse. We don’t blame Rapunzel, and we do blame Gothel.

Just another example of what #NotMyDisney forgot about themselves.

#Tangled #wish #Gothel #mother Gothel #rapunzel #asha #Magnifico #wish hate #meta #conceit Art #criticism #analysis #character development #writing tips #character analysis #animation #Disney #NotMyDisney

[synergysilhouette]

Everyone keeps talking about "traditional villains," but in retrospect, I wish Disney had gone in a different direction for the Revival Era. Hear me out...

King Magnifico's failed characterization and poor writing in "Wish" really bummed me out. I was looking forward to a complex villain who was kinda right. I was hoping it could usher in a new age of Disney villains who were more grey than black and white, who made the characer grow as a person because they challenged their perspective. But then I realized that the opportunity existed in earlier revival-era villains:

Dr. Facilier is a villain first and foremost, though thinking back on it, I do think he is kinda proto-Magnifico, granting people's wishes, only for them to find that what they wanted isn't what they expected. I do wish he tied a bit of truth in with his scams, mentioning (similar to Magnifico) how people's dreams are very difficult to achieve--especially in the post-WWI American South, particularly POC. Naveen is generally assumed to be a POC himself, so he could juxtapose this viewpoint as someone who's never really had to experience such hardships. Dr. Facilier could still be 100% villainous, but further emphasis on dreams, wishes, and hard work would be part of his character. However, this is the reverse of "Wish"; Tiana has already worked hard, but she's lost a lot of her innocence and light-heartedness trying to achieve it, thus causing her to reevaluate how important love is and how she may not have realized it, being more practical about her dreams. It all starts with a wish.

Mother Gothel was already right; the world can be dark and cruel, and will destroy any light it finds. However, similar to Magnifico, since she's completely evil, the protagonist she goes against doesn't really change to understand what she's saying. Rapunzel doesn't see the world as dark or dangerous anymore; it's the opposite, thanks to her experiences. Because of this, I do wish Rapunzel did have a bit more negative experiences independent of Gothel to prove Gothel's point rather than it being "hey, she's just saying that because she's the villain." Maybe Rapunzel tries healing someone and people start lusting after her hair.

Hans is DEFINITELY a missed opportunity. He was the anti-Anna; isolated and alone, and he became bitter and cruel because of it. It's mentioned that the deleted song "More than Just the Spare" was removed because it made Anna too much like Hans. I don't think that, and if anything, it furthers my point: Hans gave up on his brothers, who he felt overlooked by and pestered by (he doesn't even mention his parents). Maybe give Hans less brothers and feature them a little in the movie so we can see how they interact with Hans and how it's a "what could be" for Anna and Elsa. His evil character is exactly what Anna is trying to avoid, but she understands how he became this way rather than it simply being for shock value.

Yokai was a great villain to me, but the reveal happened too late. I'd have loved seeing a more thorough exploration of his character and parallels to Hiro (which were done great in the film; I just wish it was expanded on). Highlight how people quickly forget about the dead and don't always learn from history, how there's this cycle of loss and hatred that you have to break.

Bellweather was on a power trip, but I do wish she had a storyline similar to Judy and Nick, since--in an interesting twist--they come off as more interesting and complex than the villain. She doesn't really say what made her act like this, and comments that "fear always works." I wish we got more of that, especially to play the two sides card; Zootopia is mainly predator-phobic, and challenges to this, ie predators playing down predator-related crimes in order to get people to look past their identity (and the fact that many predators are in positions of power) may have caused Bellweather's abuse by predators to be overlooked, causing her to want them all gone.

Te Ka is interesting. Despite "Moana" being a great film, I do feel like Te Ka and Maui's storyline was underutilized. It's revealed Maui stole Te Ka's heart for humans, but from what we see, Moana lives in this ideal community where their heritage, culture, and nature is loved and respected. Maybe embrace the fact that Tala is the only one who tells the story of the ancestors and how being they became "comfortable" since they were no longer voyagers, being used to the hierarchy and their stagnant society. Highlighting some humans' selfish natures would've been nice rather than Maui just telling us about it, with Te Ka being a metaphor for the destruction and disregard for nature and love.

Namaari is such a missed opportunity. Despite caring about her community, she comes off as more villainous than an antihero since she doesn't show any sympathy or care for Raya--in fact, she seems rather smug about hurting her. By making her a villain burdened by expectations and love for Fang while slowly being redeemed would've been better to me, shifting her POV slowly, making Raya angry with Namaari but understanding her motives. Having some regret about her choices--even if she believed they were the right ones--would've gone a long way for Namaari's characterization.

Magnifico...well, you already know he could've been one of Disney's most complex villains. Horrifying backstory and powers that are the result of hardwork left him with a jaded view on wish granting. He wants to help others, but has MANY reservations about it.

This is just my POV, of course; some of you may disagree (or feel like the aforementioned villains already achieved what I ask for), but I do hope future Disney villains have that "they're kinda right, even if they're wrong" characterization. It'd be a nice new era as the successor to traditional villains and twist villains--though just like twist villains, this trope requires VERY good writing.

#disney #disney animation #disney princess #magnifico #king magnifico #the princess and the frog #dr facilier #gothel #mother gothel #tangled #hans #frozen #yokai #big hero 6 #big hero six #zootopia #moana #namaari #raya and the last dragon #disney villains

[wicked-storybrooke]

Ouattober 2023 Day 17 - Villains

#ouattober2023 #ouat #once upon a time #ouatedit #userstorybrooke #regina mills #evil queen #killian jones #captain hook #rumplestiltskin #cora mills #peter pan #zelena #gothel #cruella de vil #maleficent #ursula #the black fairy #my edit #my gifset #mine #ouattober #event #flash warning #flashing gif #flashing tw #queens of darkness

[nerdasaurus1200]

Soo I don’t know if anyone has ever talked about this before but tiktok prompted me to look this up

Which makes this

Just so horrifying. Is hazelnut soup even Rapunzel’s favorite, or did Gothel just gaslight her into liking it like everything else?

#tts #rta #tangled #tangled the series #rapunzel's tangled adventure #nerd talks #rapunzel #gothel

[half-blood-goods]

One thing I like about older Barbie movies is that the villains always served cunt

Ate and left zero crumbs

#barbie #barbie movie #barbie fairytopia #barbie diamond castle #barbie as rapunzel #barbie and the twelve dancing princesses #twelve dancing princesses #laverna #lydia #duchess Rowena #gothel #barbie villains

[azural83]

We could've had gothel turn into a corpse onscreen. Too bad disney was a coward

Her concept death is pretty cool in general

#mother gothel #gothel #disney concept art #concept illustration #concept art #tangled #disney tangled #tangled movie #tangled fandom #disney #disney movies

[purple-winged-angel]

Had this little comic idea floating around in my head for a while. Figured I'd sketch it out as I try and readjust myself to doing traditional drawing.

#disney oc #disney dreamlight valley #dreamlight valley #disney self insert #self insert #disney scar #scar #gothel

[doppel-tournament]

ROUND 1, Part 17

#Round 1 #Magia Record #Luca #Breadman #Gothel #Livia Medeiros #Yozuru Sasame #Sudachi Sawa #Valentine Sudachi

[skysophes]

I am having too much fun with this

#tangled the series #rapunzels tangled adventure #tts #rta #Cassandra #Rapunzel #Gothel #The Baron #Anthony the Weasel #text post memes #Eugene Fitzherbert

[gritsandbrits]

I dare say Barbie's Gothel got a worse fate than the disney version. At least their Gothel was a manipulative kidnapper who faded away into nothingness. The only deadly action was stabbing Flynn which was reversed.

THIS Gothel on the other hand kidnapped a child out of anger over being rejected by the father, treated said child as a slave, sat by and watch another kingdom get blamed for it, which in turn caused political tensions that lasted years. Also she enslaved dragons who were shown to have human intelligence & attacked little kids. Her deception nearly led to a war that could've doomed thousands of innocents.

So yeah... Never release your prisoner with a lying heart indeed.

#barbie movies #barbie as rapunzel #gothel #barbie gothel #villains #villain defeat #nostalgia #cartoons #animation #blurb #rapunzel

[birb-tangleblog]

Mother Gothel's Soup from Disney Enchanted Recipes Cookbook!

#It looks quite tasty #but I'm a little disappointed there are no actual hazelnuts in the soup! #I feel like I've seen a few fanmade recipes that actually incorporated them #and I'd be inclined to make those before I tried this one #there were no other Tangled recipes in this book that I saw #(I didn't actually buy it I was browsing and snapped a photo 🤭) #it was a neat book tho! there were a surprising amount of films represented incl. some more obscure picks #the matte paper was a bit of an odd choice to me tho #tangled #mother gothel #recipe #Disney Enchanted Recipes #gothel

[leoleolovesdc]

I would love to write a TTS essay explaining why Gothel isn’t Cassandra’s mother and Frederick and Arianna aren’t Rapunzel’s parents and the show’s insistence on pushing parent/child struggles into those characters is kind of really forced so that’s exactly what I’m gonna do:

(Disclaimer: this got really messy and is kind of a bunch of nonesense glued together, so read it with a bit of patiece lmao)

Rapunzel grew up for the first 18 years of her life with Gothel, when TTS starts she has been living with Fred and Ari for 6 months and it’s wild to me how Raps already calls them mom and dad, but I won’t judge this part, she wants to be their daughter and wants to be a family so it makes sense that she would call them that way regardless if it feels natural or not, but I think where the series really fails is when it starts (by the very first episode) to give Rapunzel and Frederick father-daughter struggles, which is complete bs if you ask me, those two don’t know each other. Rapunzel shouldn’t have a “oh, I can’t disobey my father” train of thought because she doesn’t even know him and therefore he isn’t her father, at least not yet. She shouldn’t be so trusting of his judgement of love for her because they don’t have intimacy and the fact that they are fighting and disagreeing so much after having just reconnected is wild. Arianna is not that important for the plot, but her relationship with Rapunzel being so unapologetically perfect also rubs me the wrong way. Rapunzel was ruined by her mother, she was abused her whole life and I don’t think she would just let anyone fulfill the role Gothel did without getting some therapy to unpack everything wrong that her mother, the one that actually raised her, did.

Rapunzel had a narcissistic mother, an awlful one who never loved her, but that doesn’t mean that she didn’t love Gothel. Raps lived her whole by that woman’s side, she loved her more than anything in the world and realizing the manipulation and abuse wouldn’t just immediately stop a person as kind and forgiving as Rapunzel to still love her like a mother, because like it or not Gothel raised her for 18 years. She wasn’t a good mother by any means but she was her mother nonetheless.

Another point is that at the end of season one Rapunzel goes away from Corona to explore, learn about the world and her own powers. I am not exactly sure how much time passes from the beginning to the end of s1 but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t more than 6 months, so Rapunzel lives with her bio parents for about a year and then goes straight into a one year long self discovery journey and you’re trying to tell me that she missed them? Not even just missed, but when she got hold of an artifact that showed what you waned the most what she saw were her biological parents and the people of Corona who in the first episode she claims to not remember the names of? That’s some real bs right there and I have no idea how the show runners thought this made any sort of sense. She doesn’t fucking know them, maybe she respects or care about her folks, but she couldn’t have possibly built this life long parent/child relationship that the show treats like she did.

Now, with Cassandra it’s a bit more complicated. She lived with Gothel for about four years of her life before being abandoned, but she very obviously didn’t remember any of this, either because she was too young or because she repressed those memories. Gothel didn’t seem to love Cass in the slightest, but because Cass grew up with only a emotionally distant father she longed for this reassurance that she was loved by a parent figure at some point in her life, she blames Rapunzel for everything that went wrong with her life, which can make sense but also is a bit awkward to sustain once you analyze the actual facts. Yes, Rapunzel and Eugene killed Gothel, but she didn’t mean to do that, it was Eugene’s plan and he only did it because Raps had literally agreed to be used and locked up from the real world for the rest of her life. Cass isn’t dumb, she would know better than lashing out at her friends for accidentally saving her from living with a narcissist who didn’t care about her. Gothel isn’t Cassandra’s mother, Cass doesn’t have a mother because she didn’t have anyone to actually raise her.

If I was to rewrite Tangled we’d have a very different approach to how bio parents are handled, especially Rapunzel’s. I don’t think she should be close to Arianna and Frederick at all, heck, I don’t even think she should call them mom and dad. Cause bear with me, if you randomly found ot you are adopted by the time you were 18 and actually went to live with your biological family for about a year do you think you’d even have this sort of intimacy and bond with them?

#this got long #tts #rta #cassandra #rapunzel #cassandra gothel #rapunzel tangled #cassandra tts #cassandra rta #cassandra tangled #rapunzel tts #rapunzel rta #tangled rapunzel #tangles the series #rapunzles tangled adventure #mother gothel #gothel #king frederic #queen arianna #king frederick #cassunzel #media critique #txt post #text post #moonsandra #long post #character critique #family dynamics

[synergysilhouette]

Characters Magnifico should've taken inspiration from (Mood Board)

I could've seen Magnifico going many ways: a sympathetic, self-loathing villain who's been broken a long time ago; a manipulative, sadistic villain who's hungry for power; an entertaining, comedic villain with a lot of wisecracks; a quiet, intimidating villain who didn't need to do much to run a chill up your spine; or perhaps not a villain at all, but someone who you simply had to learn from. Honestly over time, I've really fell in love with the idea that over time as he becomes more evil, he rips himself open to reveal a more evil form.

I swear, every day I'm inching closer to do a more in-depth "Wish" rewrite.

#disney #disney animation #wish #disney villains #yzma #pocahontas #the emperor's new groove #gaston #beauty and the beast #fantasia #yen sid #alma madrigal #encanto #sleeping beauty #hades #hercules #gothel #tangled #dr. facilier #the princess and the frog #jafar #ursula #vanessa #aladdin #the little mermaid #drizella #cinderella #cinderella 3 #shan yu #mulan

[stardustsims4]

hello! would you ever consider making a new dress for Mother Gothel? the mesh doesn't work :(

I found that Sifix made a version of Gothel's dress which is super pretty - I recommend downloading it instead since mine isn't working anymore. Sifix page HERE.

@sifix

#tangled #reblog #gothel #villain #rapunzel

[nerdasaurus1200]

I almost wish I didn’t realize this parallel…

#tts #rta #tangled #tangled the series #rapunzel's tangled adventure #nerd talks #rapunzel #gothel #frederic