#fengmian/ziyuan

[notoisstrange]

Yunmeng Jiang Clan 🪷

#mdzs #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #mo dao zu shi #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #jiang yanli #jiang cheng #wei wuxian

[purpleblch]

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If Jiang Fengmian has a hundred haters, I'm one of them if Jiang Fengmian has zero haters, I'm dead

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #mdzs fanart #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #yu ziyuan #jiang yanli #jiang fengmian

[tossawary]

Thinking about an AU where Jiang Yanli's "weak / mediocre cultivation" was caused by a horrific training accident when she was pretty young, in part to explore the tragedy and disability of it all and in part for the humorous "older relative casually drops wild personal lore that changes your entire perception of them" angle.

Like, Jiang Fengmian and Yu Ziyuan's firstborn child is a girl, which is not ideal in this deeply sexist world, but the sect motto is "attempt the impossible", right? It's not unheard of for female cultivators to lead sects and Yu Ziyuan wants her daughter to be the first female Jiang sect leader, to show up the cultivation world, and Jiang Fengmian isn't against the idea and wants the best for his daughter (although he probably doesn't want her to be a copy of his wife). So Jiang Yanli starts her cultivation training pretty early. There's a lot of intense pressure, a lot of expectation and projection and some arguments, and it all culminates in this poor child getting badly injured, with permanent damage to both her body and to her cultivation. It's a "no one's fault and everyone's fault" thing.

Jiang Fengmian and Yu Ziyuan quietly drop their plans for Yanli to become the sect leader and focus on a very young Jiang Cheng instead, which is easy in part because everyone expects the son to inherit anyway. A young Jiang Yanli is betrothed to the heir of the Jin Sect and this is basically never talked about ever again. General perception is that Jiang Yanli is a mediocre cultivator at best because she was born that way (she's a WOMAN, after all) and/or because her disposition is just too sweet and agreeable, and OF COURSE the son became the heir as soon as the Jiangs had a son. That's just how things work!

So, in an AU where Jiang Yanli (and Jin Zixuan?) lives and teenage Jin Ling is freaking out about some embarrassing and/or dangerous mistake on a night hunt...

Jiang Yanli, patting her son's shoulder: "It's going to be okay. You know, when I was a young child, I permanently injured myself in a training accident and could no longer become the Jiang sect leader, and it felt like the end of the world, letting everyone down, but it all worked out in the end!"

Jin Ling, whose entire 15-year-old worldview just got flipped upside-down: "...Mother?! What?!?!"

#tossawary mdzs #fic ideas #jiang yanli #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #jin ling #jiang cheng #xuanli #jin zixuan

[enby-axels]

imo reducing the jiang clan dynamics to "wei wuxian was only a servant, never family" undermines the tragic reality that he was both. his position was a dubious, unclear thing, complicated by his debts and the jiangs' varying intentions.

jiang yanli had called him her brother and treated him like one in direct defiance of their class differences and her mother's words. jiang fengmian had seen wwx as a replacement for his parents, not a son, as evident in his passive refusal to defend wwx and his prioritization of his actual son's life. yu ziyuan had seen him as an arrogant servant transgressing class norms and threatening her son's position, and she had consequently scapegoated him at every turn. jiang cheng, the youngest, inherited all of their sentiments in one way or another.

the love was there, it was not enough. so mdzs concludes the jiang clan sub-plots by having jc let wwx leave. that's important. he chose to let to go of the yunmeng shuangjie promise, the oath of fealty. because wwx's position with the jiangs — a brother, yet also a servant, an outsider, never an equal, certainly never a son, bound by duty — made a mockery of love. i think that's more tragic than him being solely a servant and nothing more.

and not to make this lan wangji (actually, everything is always about lan wangji), but that's why it's so important that wwx found a home in him, in a relationship that has no need for debts like "thank you" and "sorry."

#mdzs #mdzs meta #my meta #wei wuxian #jiang yanli #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #jiang cheng #wangxian #relationship analysis

[camzkoa]

Nothing wrong happened there!

#mxtx #mdzs #mxtx mdzs #jiang clan #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #jiang yanli #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #mo dao su zhi #they are okay #definitely not dead!

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

Daughter of delta Yu, show them that you're no fool!

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#poorly drawn mdzs #mdzs #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #jinzhu #yinzhu #wang lingjiao #wen zhuliu #elle woods #Not officially appearing but this is very much supposed to continue on the running gag of her being a character in pd-mdzs. #Yes I have been thinking about how Yu and Nu sound the same. Would it not be funny if YZY and Elle Woods were martial sisters? #Oh man I really hope help gets to lotus pier in time. I hope things turn out okay despite the odds. #I always wondered what YZY ended up fighting with once she gave away zidian. Supposedly she would have a sword right? #Let us also factor in the fact she gets her core 'melted' and can't use spiritual weapons anymore. #We know for a fact that this does not stop someone from still kicking ass. #Thus I propose: Yu Ziyuan as a bare knuckle brawler. In my heart she's a multiclass barbarian/monk. #As *if* she would go down without causing a bit more bloodshed once her core was gone. #Gatekeep Gaslight Girlviscerate your enemies.

[evakant]

FLEABAG — season two, episode four + jiang cheng, his family, and jin ling

requested by @spriteofmushrooms - insp

#it's one gifset michael how long can it take to make..... seven months? #theuntamededit #cqledit #dramasource #cdramaedit #dailyasiandramas #cdramsource #chineseartistsinc #asiandramasource #jiang cheng #jin ling #jiang yanli #wei wuxian #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #the untamed #fdstuff #rs: the one who loves him the most #rs: attempt the impossible #requests. #this was like pulling teeth not because it was a hard request but because i instantly had a very specific vision in my mind when i read #your message and then it became immediately clear that i did not have the skills or knowledge required to make it come to life #so it was just me fighting against settling. if i had to compromise i wanted it as close to what was in my mind as possible #lmao anyway this is it! i know it's a bit messy but close your eyes and imagine the version of it i had in my head

[lewiscarrolatemybrain]

Hilarious thing that just occurred to me: The Jiangs wearing purple robes is honestly just as gaudy and ostentatious as the Jin putting gold on everything

Even if we assume that only the inner clan members wear robes dyed actual purple, and everybody else does robes that have been dyed red and then blue, that's still an insane amount of money and effort. Historically, true purple dye was so crazy rare and expensive that in most places it was reserved for actual royalty, and double-dyed fabrics had to be done with extreme care and skill or they would be splotchy and uneven -- more blue in some places, more red in others, the purple different shades.

It's funny to think about WWX and JC being like "ugh the peacock" as if their lowest disciples don't wear robes that only the most skilled master dyers could achieve. Like the inner members of the Jiang Clan aren't walking around in several layers of true purple silk. Jiang Cheng's underwear could feed a village through winter and Wei Wuxian has the gall to act like the Jin are too showy about their wealth.

#MDZS #The Untamed #Wei Wuxian #Jiang Cheng #Jiang Yanli #Jiang Fengmian #Yu Ziyuan #Jiang Sect #Worldbuilding

[whetstonefires]

Honestly the most interesting thing about the Jiang interpersonal dynamics that is being totally slept on is how Jiang Fengmian's power as head of the family affects everyone, including him.

Yu Ziyuan knows Jiang Fengmian won't use his power against her unless he feels like he needs to, and that he doesn't fear her and isn't going to feel like he needs to act in self-defense unless she attempts significant physical harm, so short of that she can do whatever she likes against him, and he won't resist.

But if the collateral damage to the kids of her verbal attacks on him goes above a certain level, he says one word and she stops.

He just goes, 'wife.' ('My lady' but it's just a polite term for wife.) Sort of disapproving. Same kind of way he talks to Jiang Cheng when he acts like a shithead, but without the subsequent attempt at an ethics lesson.

And bam. Momentum halted. That line of attack is out of bounds. Nobody likes this, but good god it works.

And because they both know he ultimately has all the power, that Yu Ziyuan's lifestyle of privacy and doing exactly as she pleases at all times and so forth is all something that exists by Jiang Fengmian's generosity and sufferance, and she hates it, and he's not comfortable with it either, he sets that boundary really high, and she gets away with all kinds of cruelty because it's all stuff she's strictly allowed to do, entitled to do. So he'd be abusing his authority over her, by constraining her right to exercise her power within normative bounds over the people she outranks.

Even if she's using it harmfully and in a way directed by spite, these are her rights, she's not technically abusing her power, and her primary target in all the episodes he actually witnesses is him who outranks her; she's not being one of those mistresses.

So he'd be overstepping if he tried to constrain her, he'd be one of those husbands. Just like she always accuses him of.

(This is why she keeps insisting that she's also the master of jiang sect and he's 'forgetting' that in contexts where it doesn't make a huge amount of sense.)

Anyway, the fact that it's impossible to unpick where Jiang Fengmian's moral principles stop and his conflict-avoidance kicks in with this relationship is so much more interesting than the weirdly sexist readings I keep seeing, where it's all the conflict-avoidance and he's an unmanly loser who lets Yu Ziyuan bully him and his kids without ever standing up to her, for no good reason. When actually they have a really interesting and fantastically realistic toxic relationship.

He has a good reason! His reason is he's uncomfortable with the patriarchy! And guilty that his wife is miserable! And that he doesn't love her correctly! So he gives way as often as he can, trying to fix it!

But it doesn't fix it, because no amount of giving in to her gives her cause to trust him, and if she doesn't trust him and she knows that if he actually cares about an issue her ability to get her way will disappear, she can't feel secure about any of it. And therefore everything, especially Wei Wuxian the symbol of that fact, makes her angry and Want To Punish.

#hoc est meum #mdzs #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #jiang family #i am OBSESSED with them #meta #marriage #gender #character meta

[add1ctedt0you]

#yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #*mgifs

[lecinea]

Listen, both Yu Ziyuan and Jiang Fengmian were shitty parents that fucked their kids (& wwx) up in various different ways. But I will forever be more sympathetic to a frustrated woman in a patriarchal society stuck in a toxic marriage than to the man who has power and authority to change something but refuses to do it because he doesn't like conflict and pretends like nothing is wrong.

#also i am convinced that yzy was pressured into marrying jfm by her family #because even before wwx was there she had people call her madam yu instead of madam jiang which is the title she is entitled to #and frequently went on nighthunts to get away from her life in lotus pier #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #mdzs #let me be very clear though yzy still took her valid frustrations out on a child which is fucked up and wrong #what she did was abuse #but i get why she was angry #i do not get why jfm was so crappy to his children and honestly incredibly unfair to wwx #i might eleborate further with textual evidence if someone's interested

[nangongpuye]

set post canon,

#poll #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #cql #the untamed #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #jiang yanli #wen qing #mo xuanyu #xiao xingchen #a-qing #jin guangyao #xue yang #nie mingjue

[travelingneuritis]

this isn't on-topic enough to go on the 'which parent sucks worse, Yu Ziyuan or Jiang Fengmian' poll but. the way you treat your coparent IS a part of parenting, and JFM's pure and open disregard for the mother of his children is the root of so much of the misery visited upon those same children. it's such a classic dynamic where the husband just casually does not think of the wife as being worth his regard or maybe even fully human and when she responds with increasing agitation and anger (which! I would too!!) he gets to just go Ugh honey lower your voice, why can't you just be reasonable like ~ME~

I realize i'm spinning out quite the scenario but I see this tons in like certain "traditional family structure" households where the man holds the purse strings and gets final veto power on all the decisions that affect the household, but doesn't like his wife. this is a very very common thing that I saw growing up in my church, where the only outlet the wife has for her discontent is to just keep yelling louder and louder, just watching herself get tuned out. and then from the outside she just looks like she's being this screechy harpy to this poor hapless fella who's just! such a nice guy! why shucks, HE never raises his voice...

i won't say YZY was gonna win mother of the year but the key difference in my opinion is that she was pushed into this really wretched coparenting position and reacted badly to it, while JFM behaved badly from actually a very good and advantageous position. he just decided to suck, all of his own volition, for free.

#my dad did this to my mom for yeeeeeears until she left him (luckily my mom did handle it better than YZY) #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #yunmeng siblings #mdzs

[frankencanon]

Absolutely obsessed with the idea of Jiang Cheng, in the wake of the Jiang Sect's massacre, just massively overdoing it with the defensive measures in Lotus Pier:

It was bad enough when they were first rebuilding, but in the nearly two decades that followed every single time Jiang Cheng had a nightmare about his family dying and/or Lotus Pier burning down, he would immediately get up and start working on the defensive arrays, or the evacuation plans, or so on...

People think of the Impure Realm as an impenetrable fortress, but after Lotus Pier burnt down and was rebuilt? No other sect could stand a chance against Jiang Cheng's obsessive paranoia.

Lotus Pier has everything from defensive arrays, to evacuation plans and saferooms, to secret codes and signals known only to the disciples, to hidden underground and underwater tunnels, to booby traps, barriers, poison gas, etc etc etc...

Never again will Lotus Pier be sieged—not if Jiang Cheng has anything to say about it.

#lotus pier #jiang clan #jiang sect #yunmeng jiang #jiang cheng #the untamed #headcanons #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #cql #chen qing ling #mdzs headcanons #cql headcanons #the untamed headcanons #jiang fengmian #jiang family #jiang yanli #yu ziyuan #madame yu #wei wuxian #twin heroes of yunmeng #yunmeng shuangjie #yunmeng duo #yunmeng bros #twin prides of yunmeng #yunmeng trio #yunmeng siblings #yunmeng #yunmeng prides

[b0dwr1ter]

#jiang cheng #wei wuxian #jiang yanli #jin ling #yu ziyuan #jiang fengmian #mdzs polls

[essekknits]

Can’t help but wonder what the dynamics of the Jiang family would’ve been if Wei Ying was a little girl instead of a little boy.

First change I think would have to happen is that madam Yu would have to find different reasons to hate her, if she even continues hating her this much. This Wei Ying is not a threat to her son’s inheritance, or to her daughter’s prospects, so that is one part of the hatred not really being there anymore.

As a result of this, Jiang Cheng and Wei Ying’s relationship would be a bit less fraught, I think. Jiang Cheng is no longer constantly being compared to Wei Ying as “he’s the son your father actually wanted, he doesn’t love you”. He can instead take more joy in a second older sister, one who likes to wrestle with him and race him in the lakes, which his sister can’t really do, but who he also might be a bit more comfortable leaning on emotionally than he might’ve been a brother.

In this AU, Yanli might bear the brunt of the comparisons, but I also think she’s more well-equipped to handle it? Female Wei Ying would still be a strong cultivator, which Yanli very much isn’t, but Yanli’s identity doesn’t revolve around her cultivation the way Jiang Cheng’s does. She’s slightly older, and as sad as it is, more used to being looked down on. She doesn’t resent Wei Ying her success the same way she doesn’t resent Jiang Cheng his.

There would also have to be a change in the rumours. I feel like one of the rumours, instead of being “Wei Wuxian is Jiang Fengmian’s bastard with Cangse Sanren” (although that rumour isn’t completely gone either), would turn into a slightly more sinister “Jiang Fengmian couldn’t have the mother, so he’s raising the daughter to become his concubine/second wife/replace his bitch of a wife”.

Which brings us to the final point: Jiang Fengmian. A lot about that man and his motives is left to speculation for the readers, and I saw many beautiful and incredibly valid interpretations of his motives. Maybe he genuinely just wanted to find his friends’ child to honour them. Maybe he wanted to earn a loyal guard to his son. Maybe he was trying to use Wei Ying as a replacement for the friends he lost.

Maybe he couldn’t have the mother, so he took the daughter.

I just think having a female Wei Ying can cause some interesting ripple effects that I’d love to explore, and isn’t just “slap different pronouns on character”.

#mo dao zu shi #wei ying #wei wuxian #jiang fengmian #yu ziyuan #jiang cheng #jiang wanyin #jiang yanli #fem wei wuxian