#jiang wangyin | Explore Tumblr Posts and Blogs

asksythe · 11 months

Text

Wei Ying might actually be long-lost royalty (mark 3) but it doesn’t actually mean all that much. Historical tragic, super spicy gay drama! - An Essay (1)

So I’ve been asked: now that we know MDZS happened during Wei Jin Northern and Southern Dynasty era and that the name of one of the dynasties (Northern Wei 北魏) is the same Wei in Wei Ying Wei Wuxian (魏). How come nobody in MDZS ever remarked on Wei Ying having the same surname as the royal family?

There are three reasons for this:

1. The royal house name of Northern Wei was not Wei. It was Yuan�� and Tuoba before that.

Yeah…

Northern Wei eventually fractured into East and West Wei, with each branch of the royal family (Yuan and Tuoba branches) taking power on each side.

The other Wei state in the same Six Dynasties Period was Cao Wei. The ruling house name was Cao… as in … Cao Cao… of the Romance of The Three Kingdoms fame… Yeah…

The actual royal house with the Wei surname that you are looking for came from the Wei Kingdom during Warring States (4BCE to 2BCE), i.e., the period of chaos and war right before unification by Qin Shi Huang. I.e., over half a millennium before MDZS timeline (Although this is probably the era when the great Houses were founded: Wen, Jiang, Jin, Nie, and Lan. The book did mention the time before Wen Mao, the founder of House Wen, brought about the fall of the sect system to be a time of wars and chaos and that the Burial Mound was a Holy Mountain that was corrupted due to the countless dead well before Wen Mao’s time).

Wei Kingdom 魏国 started out as a vassal state (called the State of Wei). Through generations of achievements and war alliances, this state evolved to become a Kingdom. The first Wei King was Wei Ying (魏嬰). Yes. That Wei Ying. Although the Ying here is a variation of the way Wei Ying’s birthname is spelled in canon with the meaning remaining the exact same. His posthumous title is Wei Hue Wang (King Wei Hue).

Although if you are looking for the historical counterpart of Wei Ying (and Jiang Cheng), you will have to look three generations down at his great-great-grandson Wei Wuji (Wuji being another way to write Wuxian), also known as Lord Xinling (Xinling Jun). Wei Wuji and his elder brother’s life is more or less what happened to Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng Jiang Wangyin in MDZS. Except in the real world, it’s Jiang Cheng who is gay (Bi, really) and whose lover’s title (Lungyang Jun) is used as a way to refer to gay porn for 2000 years after his death. Historical Wei Wuxian still died of a broken heart because his brother betrayed him though. Unlike novel Jiang Cheng, however, historical Jiang Cheng (King Wei Anli, elder brother to Wei Wuji) was said to have died of an illness supposedly caused by hearing his younger brother had died of a broken heart. Fans of tragic, complicated, highly spicy gay romance, eat your heart out.

Ladies and gentlemen: the historical Jiang Cheng, King Wei Anli (in modern Chinese cinema), also the man who introduced gay porn into Chinese literary history.

(Modern Chinese cinema representation of Lungyan Jun: historical Jiang Cheng’s beau and the man whose title became synonymous with gay porn for literally two thousand years and counting)

(Ancient gay porn featuring not-historical-Jiang-Cheng and not-Lungyang-jun. In ancient China, novels were written based on real concurrent events with names switched out. Pay close attention to the hair ornaments of our actors here! The one on the left is wearing a hair crown typically reserved for royal men, whereas the one on the right is wearing a cap reserved for male court officials)

Historical Wei Ying! By which I mean Lord Xinling Wei Wuji (modern Chinese game), the war hero who died of a broken heart because his big brother don’t wanna play with him no more.

Incidentally, Wei Wuji and his brother King Wei Anli were the first people in recorded history to own Tiger Tally (Hufu).

But I shall talk about all this ancient gay drama and the OG tiger tally another day (So long, historical Jiang Cheng! You are still a horrible brother, you little shit!).

2. Slavery System of Wei Jin Southern and Northern Dynasties Era. Wei Jin Era really is just Warring States Era Mark 2. War Harder!

That is to say, being of royal blood is not what it’s cracked up to be during this specific era. Wei Jin Northern and Southern Dynasties Era (also called the Six Dynasties Era) is kinda a special case in post-Qin-unification Chinese history for the simple fact that China was anything but unified during this period.

To understand this period, you have to look at the sheer brutality and the miraculous nature of Qin unification. Qin Shi Huang did something that nobody before him had ever done. He united hundreds of different ethnic groups through murder, violence, and a case of genocide here and there. He forced enemies that had been feuding against each other for literal centuries to become fellow countrymen. He razed temples to the ground. He tore down capitals. He burned books and then burned the men who read such books beside them. He erased entire languages and cultures and forged a single, united country out of all that. For all that he contributed to China, the title tyrant is not wrongly awarded to him.

But with such a strong, charismatic, forceful leader, you eventually have to face the big problem: their death. The Qin Dynasty really didn’t last long after Qin Shi Huang’s passing. The Han dynasty right after was even more short-lived. Some historians even called that dynasty a stillbirth. The thing that followed was a period of pure chaos and violence where differences and ethnic tension that had brewed throughout Qin and Han dynasties finally exploded.

Thus, was born the Wei Jin Northern and Southern Dynasties, where the previously united Empire fractured into various petty kingdoms warring against each other. At one point, there were sixteen petty kingdoms where a united empire once was. What followed were approximately three centuries of various ancient states, petty kingdoms, cultures, and ethnic groups killing, fucking, cannibalizing, marrying into each other, massacring each other, tearing, and mushing apart and into each other until they eventually became a much more homogenized cultural and racial amalgamation and arrived (with a minor hiccup at the Song dynasty, another very short-lived dynasty) at the Tang Dynasty, which was considered a golden age in Chinese history and lasted for four centuries.

So then, in an era like this, being a reigning royal is not that big of a deal as you may think it is. In fact, this specific era was known as the era where the Noble Houses and not Kings were the ones who held the real power. Yes, noble houses like the Wen, the Jiang, the Jin, the Nie, and the Lan. Because there was no effective central power, the historical counterparts of the Houses in MDZS held power that they wouldn’t in other dynasties. Not only did they own vast territories and held legal power over them, but they also charged tax brackets that were previously only charged by Emperors or Kings. They could gather army conscripts and organize their own armed forces.

In the novel MDZS, the cultivator Houses acted exactly like the historical Noble Houses during the real Wei Jin Northern and Southern Dynasties. They held massive territories and could exert certain levels of administrative and legal power over them. They held hunting rights, tax rights. In the novel, during the Sunshot campaigns, all cultivator houses started gathering conscripts and volunteers for their Sunshot war. And finally, under Jin Guangyao’s reign, they built massive military structures. This would be unthinkable in both the era before and after this one specific era.

Ah… going too far off the topic. I digress. The point is, being actual reigning kings during this era is really not what it seems, let alone being long-lost royals. Because being long-lost royals means your royal family probably already kicked the bucket in historical Chinese Game of Thrones… and that means… you are a slave.

Yep, slavery. During this time in ancient China, society was separated into a strict nine-ranked caste system. Depending on which rank a person was, they might have certain rights (and duties) and could do certain jobs, and enjoy some level of protection from the provincial government. But if you are low on this ranking scale, you are effectively… not a human at all, not in the eye of the law.

Indeed, the lower ranks of this caste system were effectively serfs, who, if they dared leave the territory of their lord, would open themselves up to slave cartels. For example: Jin Guangyao’s mom, Meng Si, during this era would be categorized as Jianren (賤人, lit: petty person, this is the insult Madam Yu used against Wang Lingjiao), an owned Jianren at that. This means that even if she quit the brothel and took young Meng Yao with her, her caste as Jianren would still remain… which means she and her son Meng Yao would be forbidden from official examinations, would not enjoy protection from the law, would not be able to own particular business, would not be able to buy and own properties, and could only do lowly, menial jobs reserved for Jianren… unless she could pay an exorbitant amount of money and favor to a local magistrate to have him create new documentations for her and push her up on the caste system. Should she run and leave the city where she was based in, without the right documentation, she would open herself and her son up to roving slave cartels in the unprotected territory between city-states. Once she fell into slavery, her status as a slave, alongside her son, would be effectively legal in the eyes of the law (what passed for it) at that time.

Slavery is legal during Wei Jin era. In fact, slavery in China was legal up until very recently, in the last century. It was accepted and practiced wide-spread.

By that same system, if you were a citizen of a city-state on the losing side of a war, you would also be effectively a slave. Under this sytem, entire cities and small kingdoms of people were enslaved. Indeed, this is how Qi Huang Wen branch including Wen Qing and Wen Ning were treated in the novel: as slaves of the losing side. Originally they were stationed at Ganquan 甘泉 until Jin Zixun came and forced Wen Ning and other Wen people to Qiongqi Path, which was owned by the Jin. Because they were effectively slaves, even when they did nothing wrong, no one stood up for them. No one but Wei Ying.

This is even pointed out when Wei Ying said in the novel that because they are Wen, so they are not humans. Is that what you mean? When he went to Qiongqi Path the first time. In the eye of Chinese society of that time, the Wen... really weren’t considered humans at all.

So the point is, even if Wei Ying is long-lost royalty, in the eyes of the people in MDZS, he would be effectively a slave or from slave blood. So, Madam Yu did actually have a point when she repeatedly insulted Wei Ying (and his father) and treated them as she would a slave. Because in the eye of society of that time, they were slaves. It didn’t matter how talented Wei Changzhe was or that he was married to the disciple of Baoshan Sanren, a peer of the founders of all 5 great houses, he was still a slave. It didn’t matter how talented Wei Ying was or that he was a war hero or that he spoke truth, because he came from lowly blood, because he had no House and no Clan behind them, anyone at all (Jin Zixun, Jin Zixuan, Jiang Cheng, effectively the entire cultivator world) would feel like they could push him around and insult him without fearing retaliations. In an era without law, if you are alone, then you are automatically guilty.

3. Real-life cultivators are actually super anti-authority anarchist hippies. Also, MDZS world is probably heading for cultivator’s Armageddon. Also, Lan Qiren is full of shit. Two of the three Founding Sages of Daoism (real-life basis of cultivation and xianxia) say so.

-To Be Continued (I’m tired. This is longer than I thought. I’ll complete this another day)-

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #Wei Jin #Wei Ying #Wei Wuxian #Jiang Cheng #Essay

105 notes · View notes

jaimebluesq · 11 months

Text

Happy Birthday to my beloved Blorbo, Nie Huaisang!!!

Here's a little prequel vignette in the universe of my fic "It Was You All Along" - but it's perfectly understandable without the fic as context!

Takes place post-NMJ's death, pre-WWX's return - The SangCheng is one-sided pining in this vignette (but rest assured, it ends up requited eventually :D)

~~~

Nie Huaisang had been at Koi Tower the day he received the invitation.

In all honesty, it wasn’t where he’d wanted to be for his birthday. He longed to be back at the Unclean Realm with a good book and a full bath, and afterwards he would curl up on the bed in his brother’s room – which had not been touched since the day he died, other than to keep it dust-free – and cry himself to sleep. Birthdays hadn’t been the same without Nie Mingjue there to act grumpy and threaten to sling Nie Huaisang over his shoulder and drag him to saber practice, and then surprise him with something truly special.

The last birthday gift Da-ge had given him had been a beautiful silk fan. It had burned along with the rest of his things on that fateful day...

But instead of being in the familiarity of home, he was in Koi Tower. Lan Xichen and Jin Guangyao had insisted on him spending his birthdays with them as an attempt at keeping his spirits up, both saying that it’s what Da-ge would have wanted – the thought had turned his stomach. He had never fought them, though, needing to continue the appearance of being addled by grief – and currently, he was trying to establish just how much Lan Xichen knew about Nie Mingjue’s death. Jin Guangyao continued to act as if it had been simply a terrible tragedy of fate and he was foremost in Nie Huaisang’s plans for revenge, but he had yet to completely discount Lan Xichen’s potential role in the matter. Perhaps Er-ge was innocent. Or perhaps he too had betrayed Nie Mingjue.

Perhaps Nie Huaisang was exhausted and tired of pretending, of spending his days filled with terror and suspicion. Perhaps he was hollow and lifeless beneath the surface of his skin, and perhaps he had a desperate hope that the moment his brother was avenged, that the life within him would no longer be smothered by grief.

But that day, there was the invitation.

It was on fine quality paper with the emblem for Yunmeng Jiang, and clearly stated that there would be a courtship tournament for Jiang Wangyin. He remembered the cultivation conferences where the matter of Jiang Cheng’s marriage prospects had been discussed, with the other sect leaders treating his bachelorhood like a problem that needed to be solved, rather than it merely being a matter of a man living his life the way he wished and damn the rest of their opinions. He’d done what he could to distract them, but sect leaders were mostly busybodies by nature and enjoyed meddling where they weren’t wanted – particularly those whose wives and daughters had caught a glance of the handsome Sandu Shengshou and wished a piece of him.

Honestly, he couldn’t blame them – he’d fantasized of that very thing since he’d been a boy in Cloud Recesses.

He had been given the invitation by Jin Ling himself with the expectation that he would bring it back to Qinghe and post it for his disciples. It was a reasonable expectation, and Nie Huaisang did intend on doing just that. Even if he wished he could destroy it. Even if he wished the tournament would never happen.

That night, after putting on an excellent performance at playing the fool for Jin Guangyao and Lan Xichen, he lay in his night robes, curled up in his guest bedroom with the invitation in his hands. His thumb rubbed against the ink forming the name Jiang Wanyin - oh, Jiang Cheng must have hated that they’d used his courtesy name.

In the dark of night, he indulged himself in a fantasy – it was his birthday, he deserved it – that he himself would enter the tournament. He would dress in his best robes and put on his best airs, and every step of the way he would beat out the competition. And when he won, he would offer Jiang Cheng his freedom – a promise that he would hold him to no commitment unless he wished it... and then Jiang Cheng would look at him, profess his undying love, and take him to bed without another moment’s hesitation.

It was, after all, a fantasy.

He finally folded up the invitation and placed it on his night table. Fantasies were wonderful, but he could never confuse them for reality. No doubt only women would be allowed to enter in the tournament. And he truly didn’t have the time to participate in such a thing – he had clues to dig out and suspects to eliminate or verify, and there were still parts of his brother’s corpse that he hadn’t found yet, not to mention the daily duties of being a sect leader that he tried to manage despite all appearances otherwise. There were so many things to do; what time did he have for something so frivolous, even if he were allowed to participate?

After all, wouldn’t Jiang Cheng toss him out the moment he showed up? “Very funny, Nie-xiong,” he imagined him saying, the nickname something Nie Huaisang hadn’t heard since before Wei Wuxian’s death and missed terribly. “Now stop making a joke of this and get back to Qinghe where you belong.”

He chuckled, imagining in his mind’s eye the huge eyeroll he would receive for even trying to put himself forward as a candidate.

“Don’t laugh,” another voice spoke in his mind, turning his chuckle into a sob. “You may be lazy and frivolous, but you’re still my Didi and anyone would be lucky to have you. If anyone ever said you weren’t good enough for them, point me at them and Baxia and I will inform them otherwise.”

He sniffed and wiped the tears from his cheek. “Goodnight, Da-ge,” he whispered into the darkness.

“Happy birthday, Huaisang,” he heard as his brother’s voice faded from his mind.

He closed his eyes, intent on trying to push his emotions aside and fall asleep. In what heart he had left, he sent a wish to the Heavens that they show Jiang Cheng some kindness and bring him a spouse that would make him happy and love him for who he was – even if that spouse could never be him.

#scbirthday520 #nie huaisang #sangcheng #during the time skip

28 notes · View notes

aitchnkay · 7 months

Text

Jiang Gunian Made A Change Part 26

She allowed herself a day to mourn. One day to cry over her father; she would mourn properly once the war was won.

And they would win. There was no alternative that was acceptable. Her brothers would live, and Wen RuoHan and his remaining son would die.

She washed her face of tears, dressed, and reported to her command tent. "Meng Yao, report."

"General," he bowed. "Lotus Pier is firmly in Jiang WanYin's control. Jiang Furen is in the infirmary; her condition is listed as 'stable', but no details of what occurred has been forwarded. Wen Xu's army is approximately five days out from the Unclean Realm. They must have received intel that Wen Chao's army was defeated as they have not moved in the last two days. We suspect that they are waiting for reinforcements from Qishan."

Yu FangSu glared at Meng Yao as he spoke. As soon as he took a breath, she interrupted. "We should move our camp to Lotus Pier. It will be more protection than what we have here, and it will free your brother to assist Nie ZongZhu."

"We are not going to Lotus Pier," Jiang YanLi stated. "We will continue as we have."

"Your esteemed mother needs you!" Yu FangSu spat. "It is your duty as her daughter to be with her in her time of grief."

"My duty?" Jiang YanLi wanted to cry again. Instead she stiffened her back, both physical and mental. "This is war. My duty is to keep my people alive."

"Your people are in Yunmeng. Not here."

Meng Yao smiled his 'I'm going to be polite because I have to' smile. "Jin Furen. Your people are in Lanling. My people are in Qinghe. And yet... we are here. Supporting General Jiang."

"General Jiang?" Jiang YanLi repeated. "Who is that?"

Yu FangSu sighed. "For some reason, the reports that came in starting yesterday, all referred to you as 'General Jiang'. "

"Not for some reason," Meng Yao snapped. "Jiang YanLi is just as much a General in this war as Nie Mingjue and Lan XiChen. She has earned the title."

"A woman General? Next will you petition for her to be Jiang ZongZhu instead of Jiang WangYin?"

"No."

"If she's capable, why not? She is the eldest."

"No," the young woman repeated. "My brother will inherit." Her hand buzzed: the new ring she wore indicating Wei WuXian had sent a letter. "Please excuse me. A'Xian sent me something."

The letter was short. 'ShiJi. Read when alone. Madame Yu's condition is not being disseminated. Even Jiang Cheng can't get the healers to tell him what's wrong. She's been seen walking, and does not have any obvious bandages on. What I do know is that she was injured in a fight with someone called Wen ZhuLiu. She tried to whip him with Zidian. He moved out of the way too quickly and he pushed her down. She screamed and was unable to stand again. His title is Core Melting Hand. Can you discretely find out if the title is because he can destroy someone's Core? He's dead. I killed him right after he hurt Madame Yu, so we can't ask him. The Wen aren't saying anything. Four buildings are fire damaged in the compound. A dozen in the town will need to be rebuilt. Twenty-three townspeople are dead. The rest followed our directions to leave. Initial count is forty-eight dead in the Sect. There are six or seven more who might yet succumb to their injuries.'

"Meng Yao... what do you know about a man called the Core Melting Hand? A'Xian killed him."

"He's dead? Good," he smiled a genuine smile. "Officially, he was Wen Chao's bodyguard. A nobody who worked his way up in the QishanWen ranks. In part it was because of his dog-like loyalty to Wen RuoHan. In part because of his little trick. As his title suggests, he did indeed have the ability to melt Cores."

Jiang YanLi kept her face still as she processed exactly what had happened to her mother. Her Core was melted? No wonder she doesn't want anyone to know what's happened to her. "It's good he's dead then. Just think of the damage he could have caused to our people.

"So." She took a deep breath, and shoved her concerns about her mother into a cabinet in her mind. She set Wei WuXian's letter over a flame and watched it burn. "We will concentrate our strike troops on Wen Xu's army. What news from the Unclean Realm."

#wangxian #the untamed #chen qing ling #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #cql #jiang yanli #wei ying #wei wuxian #meng yao #jin guangyao

5 notes · View notes

thepurplewombat · 1 year

Text

Tagged by @thatswhatsushesaid!

Okay so I am also cheating a little bit with this one, because it doesn't make any sense without the context? So here's some context. This is from a post-canon fic I've been noodling with for a while.

Lan Xichen envied those who had quick tempers. Jiang Wangyin; Nie Mingjue when he'd lived-they could afford to lose their tempers. They shouted and they raged, and then it was done. They did not have to live with a volcano under their skin.

The wrath of Gusu Lan was different. It went deep. It slept hard.

And when it awoke, the world trembled.

tagging @touchstoneaf @lanninglurksnomore @bastionofbibliophiles @cryptidafter @inthe-interim @out-there-tmblr @octopusandaleech

Sorry if I tagged you and you don't write or don't want to share, you don't have to <3

#that last line needs something #i dont know what #bits chopped off probably #im a wordy bitch

7 notes · View notes

sapphosgardens · 1 year

Text

im going thru it (jiang wangyin angst hours)

0 notes

tytangfei · 4 years

Photo

great wits have short memories, huh? tell me who said that?

#the untamed #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #yunmeng duo #twin heroes of yunmeng #mo dao zu shi #jiang wangyin #the grandmaster of demonic cultivation #yunmeng shuangjie #cql #chen qing ling #jina makes gifs #jinamdzsgifs #jinayunmengduogifs #jinachenggifs #jinawuxiangifs

1K notes · View notes

drwcn · 4 years

Note

Hey I hope you're doing well! I have a question I hope you can answer. Jin Guangshan adresses JC as Jiang Cheng instead of Sect Leader Jiang or Jiang Wanyin ?? like, is that usual ? or is that considered rude ? I mean despite their Sects having been considered brother-sects or smth like that it's not like jc and jgs actually had a decent relationship whatsoever? so shouldn't he at least use his courtesy name? o,o i noticed this at the banquet episode after the hunt and??

Hi Anons, I don’t know if you’re the same person, but you guys popped into the inbox next to each other and the questions are fairly similar so I’ll just answer it in one go.

For how sect leaders should address each other, I reblogged a [post] I was tagged in awhile ago. :)

The TLDR in that post is basically saying, if Jin Guangshan wanted to be REALLY courteous and if he and Jiang Cheng were strangers when they were introduced and Jiang Cheng was already a Sect Leader then yes, technically, Jin Guangshan should call Jiang Cheng “Sect Leader Jiang”. But because Jiang Cheng’s parents and Jin Guangshan and his wife Madam Jin were (likely good) friends, Jin Guangshan is considered a “zhangbei” 长辈, someone of the older generation. He is treating Jiang Cheng as a child, and not as a fellow Sect Leader. Therefore it is not weird that he would call Jiang Cheng by his birth name. From a purely language point of view, it isn’t rude, not at all, and I want to stress this point.

For Jin Guangshan to call Jiang Cheng by his birth is not rude. His sister once had an engagement with Jin Guangshan’s son. Jiang Cheng is very young, and his parents had been friends with the Jin family. In modern context, Jiang Cheng would’ve had to call Jin Guangshan Jin shushu or Jin bobo (Uncle Jin).

Imagine for a second that Jin Guangshan is not a shit face, and that he deeply cared about the Jiang children. In that case, his calling Jiang Cheng would not be seen as an impertinence but a show of familiarity, of their close relationship.

What is insidious in this case is the intent. Technically, since Jiang Cheng is Sect Leader now, he should be paid a higher respect. While it’s not rude of him, Jin Guangshan’s intent is very obviously to diminish Jiang Cheng’s importance and his weight in the political landscape. Oh, you’re just a boy, you don’t know anything.

To show familiarity but also respect to a wanbei (someone of younger generation, like a pseudo-nephew), a polite term Jin Guangshan could’ve used is xianzhi 贤侄, which means “gracious/kind nephew”. In context, imagine like... a historical novel written in English where one person can say to another “my good man” - it has the same connotation. Obviously, Jin Guangshan is a shit, and we all know this.

As for why we don’t see other people use Jiang Cheng’s courtesy name, I think that’s a just a bias of narration. For most of the story, we see Jiang Cheng interact mostly with family (mother, father, brother, sister, and nephew). All of these people would’ve used familial terms (either A-Cheng, Jiang Cheng for WWX, or jiujiu for Jin Ling).

Pre-Sunshot Campaign, the only other person we saw who was close with Jiang Cheng was Nie Huaisang and he used Jiang-xiong, which is a term for close friends.

Subordinates of other sects would’ve referred to Jiang Cheng as Jiang-gongzi, or Jiang-zongzhu when he became Sect Leader.

If you think about it, who exactly in his generation would’ve had opportunity to call him Jiang Wanyin to his face? Not that many people. Jiang Cheng’s name exists in Wei Wuxian’s narration, and he is always Jiang Cheng to him, because that’s his brother. However, if MDZS was told through... say Lan Xichen’s point of view, Jiang Cheng would’ve certainly been referred to more as Jiang Wanyin.

The people that could conceivably call him Jiang Wangyin to his face are Jin Zixuan and Lan Wangji.....that’s it. I guess, Jin Zixun too. Lan Xichen is too polite, Jin Guangyao is too scheming, and Nie Mingjue doesn’t know Jiang Cheng well enough. NMJ probably would use Jiang Wanyin if he doesn’t default to Jiang-zongzhu like Lan Xichen. If Wen Qing became friends with Jiang Cheng, I can certainly see her calling him Jiang Wanyin. That would be within her character trait. (And she does, in my fics ;) )

Finally, some notes about names in Chinese in general. In modern context, friends use each other’s name all the time. Classmates would definitely have no hesitation using each other’s name. This is true in the historical context too: so during their time at Cloud Recesses, Lan Wangji, Nie Huaisang, and Jin Zixuan should’ve all called Jiang Cheng Jiang Wanyin, and I think Lan Wangji does.

The Chinese culture loves to use variations of honorifics when talking to each other. Everyone is a xiao (little, used for young adults, younger adults), a lao (old, used for older adults), a brother, a sister, an aunt, a uncle, a grandpa, or a grandma. Chinese youths do not refer to their parents’ friends as Mr. or Mrs. Name, it’s Uncle or Auntie Name.

E.g.: if my last name was Wang, and I’m a young person in my twenties. My boss at work could easily call me xiao-Wang. If I was 45 yro and male, my colleagues could easily call me lao-Wang. Notice, lao (old), is only used for older men. Older women become jie (older sister). So since I’m female, a younger colleague can call me Wang-jie.

So why don’t we see Jiang Wangyin used a lot? Well, maybe the author was just lazy, but the sad truth is Jiang Cheng doesn’t have people in his life who would call him Jiang Wanyin to his face, unless they’re angry with him.

#cql meta #cql #jiang cheng #jiang wangyin #the untamed #i did not proofread this #if there are errors im sorry i suck at typing #Anonymous #corie replies #cql reference #culture

294 notes · View notes

geraniumsforinej · 4 years

Text

asexual jiang cheng

a list of reasons why i read jiang cheng as ace

1. jiang sect color is purple and jc’s outfits feature various shades of gray, both colors are on the ace flag (jc is basically a walking ace flag

2. zidian appears on jc’s right middle finger in cql, which is where an ace ring is typically worn (*chanting* zidian ace ring)

3. nhs and wwx shared porn but jc didn't. he drank alcohol at cloud recesses so it’s probably not bc of the rules that he didn’t partake. i read this as sex-repulsed ace (note: some aspec people do read/watch porn, this is just how i interpret it as a sex-repulsed ace who doesn't)

4. jc has an incredibly long and detailed list of requirements for his partner. having a list of traits is fairly common in people who are arospec/aspec. we don’t experience romantic/sexual attraction, so we take a logical rather than emotional approach to picking out a partner. personally, having a list of qualities that logically makes sense for a partner to have helps me to feel more in control, especially when society is so romance/marriage oriented

5. someone who follows jc’s list will at least be a good person who isn’t like his mother (my stance is that although yzy is a stereotypical asian parent, she was still abusive as hell. this type of behavior is incredibly normalized within chinese culture and yeah, it’s terrible)

6. the list also fits jyl almost perfectly. this isn't because jc wants to be with someone who is like his sister, but is because he doesn’t want a partner in the traditional sense at all! he wants someone that he can get along with, much like jyl

7. jyl was also jc’s mother figure for his entire life. as sect heir, jc has to have children to carry on the bloodline. by finding a partner similar to jyl who raised jc well, jc wants someone who will be a good mother to their children, not necessarily a good partner for him

#ace jiang cheng #jiang cheng #jiang wangyin #cql #chen qing ling #the untamed #mo dao zu shi #mdzs chapter 12 #iden rambles

81 notes · View notes

muqingsmistress · 4 years

Text

I want a series on all the untamed weapons represented in human form- as in, the swords: Suibian, Bichen, Sandu, Shuo yue, as well as the instruments: Lie bing, Chenqing, and Jiang Cheng’s Zidian.

I’d be scared of baxia and the Nie fam’s sabres tbh though.

HOWEVER I WOULD BE VERY VERY GAY FOR ZIDIAN, JUST IMAGINE THE POWER

61 notes · View notes

xdramarenamed · 4 years

Text

Not to be "that guy" but jiang chengs requirements for a partner are

naturally beautiful

Graceful and obedient

Hardworking and thrifty

Comes from a respected family

Cultivation level not too high

Personality not too strong

Not too talkative

Voice not too loud

Must treat Jin Ling nicely

Like... That is literally Nie Huaisang. I dont even ship it but jfc dude jiang cheng should consider his cultivstion partner being male.

#jiang cheng is as picky as me lol #jiang wangyin #jiang cheng #mdzs #gdc #mo dao su zhi #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #the grandmaster of demonic cultivation #nie huaisang #what is their ship name anyway #the untamed #chen qing ling #cql

84 notes · View notes

pastelcheckereddreams · 2 years

Text

I stopped mid-drawing because I saw this screenshot and cannot get Wen Zhuliu out of my head.

Why does he notice something suspicious about the liquor and look towards the bodies of Madam Yu and Jiang Fengmian? Why does he drink it even though he suspects it’s drugged?

I’m having so many thoughts.

Although he doesn’t say much, it’s clear that he prioritises duty over anything else. We can presume from his actions that his main objective is to safeguard Wen Chao at all times. So on that surface assumption alone, he isn’t drinking during the Wen’s celebrations because he must keep a clear head. But then Wen Chao, the son of his (unhinged) employer who has charged him with Wen Chao’s safety, challenges him to drink.

(Sudden parallel! Wen Chao 🤝 Jin Zixun, forcing people to drink as a power play.)

So the glance towards Madam Yu (and I will go out on a limb and say he’s looking towards Madam Yu specifically) makes sense, because she (moreso than JFM, sorry JFM stans) is the last known threat he can think of. His eyes dart around slightly before he does - confirming he sees no one suspicious in the shadows. He’s simply confirming “the dead woman’s not still a threat...right?” before he acquiesces to the boss’s son’s weak flex to save everyone face.

(There’s a slight nod to superstition there, and a belief in the supernatural, that I’ll return to in a moment.)

But first let me point out the deeper context, seen in that first screenshot - he knows there’s something sus about the drink. And he drinks anyway.

That’s a big gamble. Let me explain why -

This is perhaps the more heart-wrenching scenario: Wen Zhuliu could not see an active threat in those split seconds he scanned the gathered Wen troops upon smelling the unidentified drug in the alcohol. He was perhaps looking for an unfamiliar face, disguised in Wen red, or a flash of bloodied purple in the shadows - Jiang Cheng, despite his presumed incapacitation, or another Jiang clan member.

Because Wen Zhuliu knows that it wasn’t just the Jiang Sect’s heir that escaped the massacre, but the Jiang head disciple as well. It was Madam Yu’s last (rare, poignant) selfless act to save them both.

And he looks to Madam Yu’s corpse.

Perhaps, in that moment, he weighs the probability of the Jiang poisoning their own liquor supply in preparation for a lost battle (unlikely - they surprised the Jiang) or the Jiang heir has done so under their very noses sometime in his later capture.

Perhaps he reasons, with Zidian-quick logic, that both scenarios are unlikely, and so he drinks anyway.

Or perhaps he looks towards the corpses of Jiang Wangyin’s parents, so disrespectfully displayed after such a heroic last stand, knowing the boy has also just had his core ripped from him at his own hands, and thinks - so be it.

(Do you think Wen Zhuliu spoke to Jiang Cheng before he took his core? Do you think Jiang Cheng looked at him with the same fire in his eyes as his parents?)

In his quiet, duty-bound way, Wen Zhuliu comes across as a man who respects those who have earned it. And Madam Yu surely did in her last stand. So did, perhaps, Jiang Cheng.

So he drains his cup.

(I don’t think he did this in some sort of salute to her, though, despite the formidable opponent she made. His eyes don’t linger on her, instead his gaze is down in an internal calculation.)

A few seconds later, Wen Chao is appeased but Wen Zhuliu’s suspicions are confirmed as he feels the drug take effect:

He closes his eyes and settles back, presumably now knowing the drug to be a simple sedative and - deeming it to be harmless, as he doesn’t stop Wen Chao as he urges Jiaojiao to drink more - focuses on his internal force to dampen its effects.

But there’s this lingering shot, as he does, on the blood still dripping from Madam Yu’s fresh corpse as dancers celebrate the Wen’s victory:

It feels ominous, which circles me back to the superstitious undertones of the moment - emphasised mostly by the soundtrack. The ominous music rises towards a crescendo just as the scene above cuts to Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng - alive, (mostly) whole, being rescued. The Jiang clan live on, despite the Wen’s best efforts at subordinating them; despite the two Sect leaders hanging lifeless from the rafters.

But I can’t help but circle back further - back further than the moment Wen Zhuliu first glanced towards Madam Yu’s corpse, or the moment the drugged liquor was first served. The moment this scene begins, we hear the flute music associated with Chengqing.*

*Will edit later with the track name and possibly more meta.

So I wonder if this scene, this moment, is actually subtly foreshadowing Wen Zhuliu - and Wen Chao’s - end. And that focus on Madam Yu? My own headcanons about a history between the two aside, that shot has a sense of lingering, of unfinished business.

The scene abruptly cuts to Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian - the two people that will bring about Wen Zhuliu’s death, that were saved by Madam Yu, that were harmed directly by Wen Zhuliu, and who will consequently finish the fight Madam Yu started.

They are both her legacy, and this is the moment death marks Wen Zhuliu. Everything after he takes that drink is inevitable, because he chooses social protocol/servitude to the Wen over self-preservation.

Perhaps, just maybe, there’s even a Wei Wuxian parallel there - food for thought. Their outfits certainly match.

29 notes · View notes

waiting-to-be-lost-at-sea · 4 years

Text

blind date

A little drabble based off of this thank you @3rdgymbros

Jiang Cheng was dragged to their usual diner near by, still grumbling at Wei Ying, “I still don’t think you can find someone for me to date” he bites out, his brother just sighs, “Jiang Cheng, trust me alright, I’ve read through your list in dating someone-”

“It’s not a list, it’s just a few standards I have” he growls out, but his brother just pats his back, “I just don’t want you to die single plus nothing bad could happen”, “I could end up leaving in the middle of this dinner”

“You wouldn’t dare” Wei Ying glared at him, Jiang Cheng however just smirked deviously, before exhaling, “I’ll stay for a minute, but I can’t promise you I’ll enjoy myself”

Wei Ying cocks his head thinking about it for a second before nodding, though his gaze stated anything but calm and knowing how chaotic his brother could be at times he was guessing whatever was to happen would happen the way he wanted it to, but that didn’t mean Jiang Cheng would sit here and ‘go with the flow’ as his brother would usually put it.

“I hope this date is worth all of this” he gestured to the outfit his brother had dressed him in, “I have high standards” he deadpanned, Wei Ying however was distracted before he could answer as he grinned up at the doors,

“LAN ZHAN!” he yelled out much to Jiang Cheng’s displeasure, he turned to see who the statue had bought in only to be drawn to the slightly broader man next to his brother’s boyfriend,

That man with nice shoulders, a kind smile and garnet coloured eyes finding his own sapphire ones in a moment. He shivered in anticipation, looking away to avoid his own embarrassment,

‘Oh no he’s meeting all my standards’ he thought to himself, he could hear Wei Ying smirking from beside him, as his brother muttered, “Checkmate. Bitch” before he stood up and enveloped himself into Lan Zhan’s waiting arms.

Jiang Cheng cleared his throat before once again turning to meet his date, “Hello, I’m Lan Xichen” a hand held out which he could only grab if not to steady his own voice before he spoke

“Nice to meet you, I’m Jiang Cheng” his voice had turned to gravel, his face flushing against his wishes however Lan Xichen’s eyes darkened, hand tightening around his own, “The pleasure is all mine, Jiang Cheng”, once again Jiang Cheng gulped.

This man was going to devour him and he was going to enjoy every minute of it, as the four sat down and ordered. Jiang Cheng’s face only grew redder and redder at Lan Xichen’s compliments, neither Lan Wangji or Wei Wuxian could argue that it was a match made in heaven between their brothers.

Even a few years later at Xicheng’s wedding, Wei Wuxian would stand up and speak about how he finally managed to end Jiang Cheng’s single dog status. Though Jiang Cheng was embarrassed, the fact his husband’s arm was around his shoulder and the matching rings on their left hands were enough to comfort him, plus he could always kill Wei Ying AFTER the honey moon.

#xicheng #lan xichen #jiang cheng #zewu jun #jiang wangyin #sandu shengshou #drabble fic #the untamed #fic

158 notes · View notes