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Astrology of Sasuke, Itachi and Naruto: a semi-comprehensive analysis

I’ve been wasting away months of my life on this task and I’m finally reaching relatively passable results. This is the fruit of my labour thus far.

I really tried to be as unbiased as possible and keep several different interpretations of the characters in mind but I can’t guarantee that my personal feelings and opinions didn’t seep through to some extent (specially with regards to that whole genocide thing). I also don’t like some of these characters as “people” so I’ll warn you beforehand, I ended up bad-mouthing Naruto and Itachi a bit.

This post is broken up into four sections.

Section one is a quick run up of the planets (only the ones I’ve been working on), houses and aspects.

Section two is about the signs I’ve chosen for the characters, how I’ve chosen the degrees, and natal aspects.

Section three is focused on degree interpretations.

Finally, we will have a quick look at synastry and composite.

I’ve used equal temperament house system and cross check with placidus though because I don’t have Konoha’s longitude and latitude I’ve used Japan’s ones. Also, in this post we are assuming that Naruto’s planet is earth and their moon (and other planets) functions the same way as ours.

The degree interpretations are supposedly translations of La Volasfera published by Sepharia in 1898 (the translations. La Volasfera is older), Walter Henson’s interpretations and Kozminsky’s interpretation in that order. Keep in mind that they lived in different times and some of the things they say reaaallly reflects that.

For aspect and midpoint calculations, I couldn’t be bothered to calculate everything by hand so I wrote a short program for it; however, I didn’t debug much. It should work fine but just in case something slips by, I’m giving a warning. I also didn’t proof read so please excuse any mistakes.

This is a long post. Any additional comments, opinions, ... are welcome.

Section one: Planets, houses, aspects and additional notes

Planets:

sun: ego, the father, vitality, stamina, core personality, the self, takes around a day to move a degree, ...

moon: the emotional mind, the mother, comforts, instinct, habits, moods, need, takes a couple of hours to move a degree, ...

mercury: the logical mind, petty daily habits, communication, rationality, learning style, ...

venus: values, things we like, wants, love style, sensuality, takes around a day to move a degree, ...

mars: our drive, how we get and go after things, aggression, passion, takes a little more than a day to move a degree, ...

saturn: restrictions, the mentor, the somber and sober, constraint, structure, the serious things, takes around 8 days to 2 weeks to move a degree, ...

neptune: the collective unconscious, allusion and disillusionment, spirituality, the veil, deception, intuition, takes around 6 weeks to move a degree, ...

pluto: control, power, transformation, magnetism, fears, death, rebirth, takes around 8 weeks to move a degree, ...

Houses:

first (the cusp is the ascendant): shallow identity, our first impression, temperament and constitution, presentation, ...

second: self-esteem, tangible values, possessions, material gains, ...

third: communication, siblings, the everyday things, short distance travel ...

fourth: roots, family, the mother, home, comfort zone, ...

fifth: fun, children, light-hearted romance, hobbies, creativity, ...

sixth: health, coworkers, servitude, pets, work, routine, ...

seventh (the cusp is the descendant): interpersonal relationships, ideal partner, open enemies, part of ourselves that we have a hard time integrating or accepting, partnerships, aesthetic preference, ...

eighth: death, crisis, what we hide, other peoples stuff that we want, taxes, death and rebirth, occult, fears, intimacy, painful transformation, ...

ninth: travel, philosophy, higher education, wisdom, expansion, world view, ...

tenth: public perception, career, reputation, ambition, greater community, admiration, delayed gratification, ...

eleventh: friendship, aspirations and wishes, where we are more accepting, humanity, how we relate to society, liquid income, ...

twelfth: what is hidden from us, the unconscious, spiritual things, the vague and boundaryless, idealization, escapism, ...

Aspects:

square (90): tension, dynamic, needs adjustment, major, ...

opposition (180): polarized, projection, can be tense but less than square, dynamic, major, ...

conjunction (0): blending, can be dynamic, major, ...

trine (120): comes naturally, can be taken for granted, harmonious, major, ...

sextile (60): similar to trine but slightly weaker and more moving (a fun spark sort of energy but not dynamic), major.

inconjunction (150): awkward, can’t be compromised, has to be tolerated, minor, ...

semi-sextile (30): similar to inconjunction, some say it’s more workable, minor, ...

semi-square (45): like square but weaker, minor, ...

quintile and biQuintile (72 and 144): creative, dynamic but compatible and comfortable, minor, ...

sesquiquadrate (135): making a mountain out of a molehill, acting energetically without understanding consequences, putting a lot of energy but the more you try the less you get results but when you don’t try they work really well, minor, ...

Additional notes:

on a full moon sun opposite moon occurs. The moon would be 180-225 degrees away from the sun.

during the last quarter phase, the moon is 270-315 degrees ahead of the sun (Sasuke was born on this phase).

mercury is up to 28 degrees away from the sun and venus is up to 48 degrees away from the sun.

aspect between sun and moon could denote how you perceive the relationships between your father figure and mother figure.

neptune retrograde happens every year when neptune is opposite sun.

plutonian relationships tend to be controlling, obsessive, disrespectful, painful and manipulative but can be transformative and life-changing.

neptunian relationships and about falling for an idealized image and not seeing things for what they are, rose coloured glasses, a feeling of betrayal and disillusionment once those glasses are shattered, forgiving easily, lack of boundaries in both good and bad ways, worshiping someone and putting them on a pedestal and never seeing them for what they are (humans), overlooking vices that shouldn’t be over looked, ...

both neptunian and plutonian relationships can manifest in nice ways but generally they tend to not do that as both people involved would have to be quite “evolved”, mature and level-headed for that among other things.

Section Two: natal signs and aspects

We will start this section with Sasuke, then we will have a look at Itachi and then Naruto. I’ve checked to make sure that it is mathematically possible (though I didn’t get into retrograde cycles much) for the characters to have these placements both on their own and relative to each-other.

I put a picture of each character’s natal aspects and wrote which degree I used. If it is between several possible degrees I wrote it in orange, otherwise, it's green. I didn’t discuss the aspect interpretations much because this post would become far too long if I did. I also used pretty wide orbs because the exact degrees weren’t certain but the overall range was extremely likely.

Sasuke’s planets and house placements:

Ascendant: Capricorn 21-22 or 23-34 degrees

Sun: Leo 0-1 degrees (7th)

Moon: Taurus 22-23 degrees (4th)

Mercury: Leo 12-13 degrees (7th)

Venus: Cancer 15 degrees (6th)

Mars: Scorpio 12 degrees (10th)

Saturn: Cancer 28-29 degrees (7th)

Neptune: Libra 4-5 or 5-6 degrees (8th)

Pluto: Aquarius 10-11, 13-14, 15-16 or 18-19 degrees (1st)

His sun was decided by the author and fits him quite well so there is no need for speculation. Sun in the 7th seems iffy but he does only go for people he respects, deems as reliable/competent and all that (that sun-saturn conjunction in the 7th house) and some of his identity is based on his interpersonal relationships. He also has that passive, non-confrontational way about him where people intrude on his personal space and disregard his boundaries all the time and he really doesn’t react as strongly as one would expect.

There seems to be a common consensus about his Ascendant in the anime astrology community. It is also worth noting that capricorn ascendants are often mistaken as scorpios for some reason. He is driven, comes across as standoffish and serious, has a slight aloof way about him, it puts his mars in the 10th and his moon in the 4th which is perfectly him, ... (I actually considered cancer ascendant for him at first because he had those doe eyes, soft features, youngish face, paler than his brother/father, family oriented, ... but I was torn between that and capricorn and everyone said capricorn so capricorn it is.)

With regards to his moon, as I’ve already mentioned in my previous posts, I saw how Naruto was born on a full-moon and how the relationship between his parents had that masculine-feminine polarization and some other things and decided to put his moon in aries and if we were to calculate Sasuke’s moon with consideration to the moon’s average speed and the time between his birth-date and Naruto’s, we get moon in taurus (3rd decan, in his 4th house), and the degree will be explained in the third section but the house placement is apparent, given that Sasuke’s heart and comfort has always been with family, home and roots (clan). The cancer one also works because, again, heart with family and an innate gentleness and the 6th house can bring a need to be of use and good organization skills and an attention to order, efficiency and good dietary habits which he certainly does posses.

Mercury in Leo is self explanatory. It’s either this or cancer and his style of communication is blunt, straightforward, sarcastic, confident, direct and to the point, dramatic, ... and his learning style matches leo more than cancer.

Venus in cancer is one that I doubted quite a good deal and there isn’t a common consensus about it either. The options are gemini, cancer, leo and virgo. I’ve heard mostly leo and virgo but I personally think Cancer in the 6th house makes more sense than in Virgo in the eight. This is based on his aesthetic sense, my understanding of his values and his love style with the only person whom I’m 100% sure he loves (his brother). He really needed quality time to feel loved, he valued competence (6th house) and family (cancer), he cared about receiving compassion from loved ones more than many of the other characters, he expressed affection mostly through acts of service (6th house), he was verbally expressive and hugged his brother and all that so he wasn’t that distant or somber in his approach to expressing affection in general (cancer), he got sulky when his brother refused to spend time with him and pouted and blushed a lot (cancer), ...

Mars in scorpio is another thing where everyone is of the same opinion and it falling into the 10th house makes it even more fitting as he will be very driven and hyper focused on one thing and he can also spend a very long time not having anything to do with fun or sex or any of that. The 10th house is disciplined, it delays, it makes thing serious and it has much to do with self-restraint. This placement is very action oriented and Sasuke is exactly that (he doesn’t spend time just thinking about doing things or just talking about them, he does them).

Saturn in cancer aspecting both his sun and venus. He was only expressive and affectionate with people he was comfortable with and his relationship with his father and authority figures and his general demeanor practically scream saturn in hard aspect to sun. Misfortune in the home and family life and a rigid upbringing (military parents) which saturn in cancer can bring are also there.

Pluto is a generational planet but I’m convinced that it falls into Sasuke’s first house. He constantly attracts plutonic people, he has a mildly plutonic energy himself and if it’s there, it aspects a ton of his planets which would mean that in his relationships with people of his own generation, he would have a pluto heavy synastry (composite is a different matter).

The aspects didn’t quite turn out how I wanted but they do make sense in my opinion and he has that grand cross with pluto, moon, mars and mercury which is just perfect. His heart, his head, and his drive are all in conflict and there is quite a bit of intensity, issues related to power and control, ... involved.

Itachi’s planets and house placements:

Ascendant: Virgo 20-21 or 26-27 degrees

Sun: Gemini 17-18 degrees (9th)

Moon: Scorpio 20-21, 21-22, 24-25 or 26-27 degrees (3rd)

Mercury: Cancer 6-7 or 11-12 degrees (10th)

Venus: Taurus 6-7 or 8-9 degrees (8th)

Mars: Taurus 1-2, 3-4, 14-15, 16-17, 18-19, 24-25 or 28-29 degrees (8th)

Saturn: Taurus 24-25 degrees (9th)

Neptune: Virgo 23-24 degrees (1st)

Pluto: Aquarius 2-3 (I chose this but It still isn’t concrete enough, the last one also works), 5-6, 7-8 or 10-11 degrees (5th)

Again, his sun is canon and very fitting. Sun in the 9th house of philosophy and all that also fits his interests (this doesn't say anything about his competence).

He is very into that whole “I’ve plan everything” and he talked waaay too much about perfection and all that for him to not have some sort of strong virgo/6th house. His ascendant in virgo puts the house cusps in nice places too. I’ll copy this part from my previous post on the subject.

I considered virgo rising for him (but I’m not particularly attached to this idea) since that would put scorpio as his 3rd house (intense relationship with siblings) capricorn (ruled by saturn which is restrictions and stuff) on his 5th (fun, children and all that), gemini on 10th (can easily change their persona and know by the general public as intelligent), taurus on 9th (likes philosophy and all that, tends to have different beliefs from what he was raised with (likely by family) and can be very stubborn about beliefs and once he finds them, is very unlikely to change them) and some other stuff.

Moon in Scorpio because I calculated and given the distance between his birthdate and Sasuke’s (if they are 5 years apart) his moon would either fall in sagittarius or scorpio and honestly, I think scorpio fits him more.

Mercury in cancer because he’s somewhat verbally non-confrontational (would rather deflect and run away, in his case he does that with lies and that stuff) and passive-aggressive and speaks in a vague way instead of just getting to the point and being clear and concise and he’s good at emotional talk in a sense (although that doesn’t necessarily mean he is comfortable with it).

venus in taurus because when he isn’t busy being genocidal or dishonest, he likes some pretty taurusian things like hanging out at traditional coffee shops and getting some sweets. He’s also aesthetically very close to his root (traditional japanese stuff) in terms of preference and taurus likes the familiar.

I calculated his mars and saturn sign after deciding Sasuke’s mars and saturn. It does match him in a way though. He has a taurusian feel in a way and he really seems to adore the look of security and stability (even when it’s not really there). Venus and mars in 8th because of his fascination and acceptance of the morbid, death and human nature. Also he has an inclination towards extremism in both his actions and adorations (that isn’t the same as being showy though).

Neptune in first because he obviously would have neptune in first. Those acting skills, a habit of dishonesty, being extremely inconsistent and unknowable, weak constitution, slow and lethargic movements, ... He has one of the worst manifestations of neptune in first in my opinion. And he should have more Than one planet in virgo.

Pluto in aqua in 5th solely because of sasuke and calculations, not because of what it says about him (though I also took synastry into account).

Naruto’s planets and house placements:

Ascendant: Leo 1-2, 3-4 or 5-6 degrees

Sun: Libra 17-18 degrees (3rd)

Moon: Aries 12-13, 13-14, 16-17, 17-18 or 20-21 (9th or 10th depending on house system) or taurus 24 or 28 (10th)

Mercury: it’s between virgo (2nd), libra (3rd) and scorpio (4th)

Venus: Libra 23-24 or 26-27 degrees (3rd)

Mars: sag 24-25, 25-26 or 29 degrees (5th)

Saturn: Leo 8-9 degrees (1st)

Neptune: Libra 6-7 or 7-8 degrees (3rd)

Pluto: same as sasuke since pluto is a generational planet and their birthdays aren’t that far apart (7th)

His sun is also canon.

His ascendant in leo makes sense because he was born late at night on the 10th of October and he has that leoish persona. There really isn’t much to say here, he embodies it. He has big movements, flamboyance, an outgoing “sunshine”y demeanour, ego-driven, loves to make everything about himself, ...

Moon in the 10th because his emotional security and self-worth and all that are very tied to what the general public thinks of him and he tries to achieve that through his career. Moon in aries and moon in taurus both fit him and the anime astrology community is also divided on this.

For mercury I have no clue.

His venus could be in virgo, libra, leo, scorpio or sagittarius. I calculated venus in libra from Sasuke’s venus in cancer and then I looked at the degrees and plenty of them fit Naruto and he does have the power of charm so I just left it at that. I eventually narrowed the degrees a bit and found a range I’m comfortable with (in terms of both aspects and degree interpretations).

I used to think his mars makes harsh aspects to both his moon and pluto but it could be just one of them, in the end it ended up being neither of them. I calculated his mars sign from Sasuke’s mars and sag in the 5th seemed pretty fitting specially since his hobby was pranking people and he is a bit of a trickster, his earlier battles also had some creativity. I used to think his mars is in taurus but it didn’t work out. And honestly he talks about working hard more than he actually works so mars in the 10th was kind of off either way.

Saturn was also calculated based on Sasuke but saturn in leo works pretty well. He got reprimanded for his “fun” and he has a lot of self-esteem issues and simultaneously has a bloated ego and a pretty low opinion of himself. He was so insecure that he had no problem taking credit for other peoples work so there is that. Saturn conjunct ascendant can cause people to have a hard time expressing their true self, often receiving criticism for the way they present themselves/the way they are, they can also often feel like no one will every truly love/like them (as people).

Pluto in the 7th house is extremely fitting for him, in fact, I would go so far as to say that I can’t imagine it anywhere else. He’s controlling, he’s manipulative, he’s possessive, obsessive, he’s all about taking what he wants/needs from relationships while not giving an iota of care to what the other party wants or needs, he’s stalkerish, ... he manifests pluto in the 7th house in one of the worst possible ways.

Section Three: degree interpretations

Like the previous section, we will start with Sasuke and make our way to Itachi and then Naruto.

edit: these need to be updated

SASUKE

Moon: 22-23

It signifies one who will suffer misfortune in the height of his career and whose fall will be dangerous in proportion to the height he has attained. The native will be too apt to depend on his own powers and will essay feats which will be beyond his natural powers. Ambition will lead him into dangerous positions, and at a weak moment he will fall. Let this be taken as equally affecting his physical, moral, and social welfare. It is a degree of COLLAPSE.

Doctors; art; projecting and the arts; medical fields; painting; homicidal tendency; alcoholism; has some unique quality (affected, may be an abnormal trait); an enthusiast who can inspire others with his plans, but thy may not always be successful; teeth.

Denotes one with strength of purpose and ability to sustain trials. The Dragon is lust, corruption, end the cold moistures of the earth. St. Michael is the life, solar energy, conqueror of decay; the black rain the evil which corruption draws. So when the native realizes his soul force he becomes a veritable victor over the monster into whose jaws so many unwarned and unguarded fall. It is a symbol of Victory.

Venus: 15-16

It indicates a person of much tenacity and strength of purpose; who by dint of extreme power, whether physical or mental, will overcome his greatest and most terrible enemies. The native will have much to contend with in life, and will encounter many dangers; but, as indicated, will finally overcome them. Together with this native strength, there may be blended a softness and gentleness of manner, which may induce others to attempt an advantage over him; but those Philistine who may have this Samson out (shorn and eyeless though he be) to make sport with him will rue the day. It is a degree of CONQUEST.

Business; music; good at mathematics, writing, or making money; a fortunate degree; taciturn; blindness or defective eyesight; gastric nerves.

Denotes one who is entrusted with a high mission and who is deeply inspired, having a spirituality entirely serene. To him has the mandate “Co forth and teach the people” been echoed from the heavens. He will be granted power and influence, so that the people will hear him call. The evidences of this peculiar mission are made manifest in his twelfth year and mature between the twenty-fourth and thirty-sixth years. It is the symbol of the Inspired.

Saturn: 28-29

It indicates a person of docile and tractable nature, combined with a certain subtlety of mind and high order of intelligence. One who will be held in restraint by others, or whose freedom will be taken by the hand of Fate and the force of circumstances. Although thus held in check, the native will be subject to dangers of an unknown character from secret enemies and jealous foes, and will be in peril of an untimely end. It is a degree of forced RESTRAINT.

An interesting person but sometimes unreliable and uncertain, conscious awareness of hair, often acts on inspiration or impulse; spleen.

Denotes one liable to be bound soul and body, who will be restricted in action and desire. But even so he may yet release his true self and meet the force flowing from the fountain head. Thus, though one side may frown and obstruct him, the other will smile and release him. It is a symbol of Obstruction.

Sun: 0-1

It denotes a person of extreme dignity of character, with much self-reliance, fearlessness, nobility and freedom of nature; an ambitious person and somewhat jealous of honor, being much subject to praise and flattery. The native will be apt in the government of others, and equally so in self-control; but unless the heart be kind, the native will be a mere pompous tyrant. It is a degree at DIGNITY.

Magnetic, brusque, and forceful; homicidal tendency; often seems to know things without taking the trouble to learn; left coronary artery.

Denotes one who will be enabled to grant or to refuse to grant the wishes of others. He will reach a position of importance and will receive many honors, and benefits will accrue to him. The demand is for an understanding of the use, not the abuse, of power. It is a symbol of Authority.

Mercury: 12-13

It indicates a person of firm and steadfast character; one who will resolutely hold to his own beliefs and principles, though it be to his disadvantage. In some ways the mind will be precocious and there will he some degree of self assertion shown; but, whatever the native may determine upon as the right thing to do will assuredly be done if within the compass of resolute striving. It is a degree of CONSTANCY.

Music, a degree of beauty; strong beliefs and disbeliefs; fortunate but restless; intentions are good; may be an orphan or may care for a parent or other relative; usually has special talent for some work where a well-trained eye and hand, plus his idealism and artistic tastes, enable him to excel al others; right heart chamber.

Denotes one of rugged, conservative, and patriotic nature who will be blessed with the goods of the world and who will use his blessings well. His position in life will be distinguished and his sincerity will command respect even from his enemies. He carries about him a fine and pure aura which benefits all who come within its radiations. It is a symbol of Exaltation.

Mars: 12-13

It shows one of a powerful and independent nature, relying on his own counsel and capable of standing alone. A degree of taciturnity and reserve will add to the general inscrutability of the mind of this person, and dispose him to command the respect and regard of others. His position will be elevated, his success in life will be assured by his own innate strength, and his fortunes will remain untouched by the hand of change. It is a degree of’ STADILITY.

Business: degree of attraction and repulsion; electricians; independent and self-reliant; stability; magnetic healing; dignity; artistic sensibilities; inclined to poetry; may be either mystical or unfeeling

Denotes one whose work is destined to live and influence men long after he has left the earth, one of an intensely psychic nature, sensitive, and mediumistic. He will have many earthly struggles and will find many sharp rocks in the way of his progress. He suffers more from his absolute lack of sympathy with earth matters as they are at present. His wanderings in the summer lands, however, bring him infinite peace and joy in the midst of pain. It is a symbol of Reveries.

Neptune:

4-5

It indicates a person of high intelligence and lofty aspirations but very prone to the use of force instead of persuasion. A man who is always getting in front of himself, so to speak, losing his temper against his desire, and letting his energies run away with his reason. He will be in danger of hurt by the sword or by fire. He must be careful of the martial element. It Is a degree of IMPULSE.

Fastidious, intellectual, optimistic, and sagacious; some women with this are dreamy and apt to have unsatisfactory love affairs; fear; honor, congeniality, order, and a lovable nature; benefics here a true friend and home lover, malefices here denote energy but sometimes misdirected. Oriental philosophies and painting; surgeons, sharp edges or clearly defined edges, martial arts (straight lines); sharp, incisive gestures, placing things side by side in deep contrast; goiter. Malpighi’s pyramids.

Denotes one who attains influence and a degree of power through aggression, forcefulness, and fighting. He is of an adventurous nature and endures a wound for the glory of getting it and the honor it gains him, and he will have many wounds. It is a symbol of Encroachment.

5-6

It denotes one very unfortunate, who will be constrained to severe and hard work for a certain period of his life. The native is patient, enduring, and capable of much self-government. In the end he will assuredly reap the reward of his labors, It is a degree of LABOUR.

Comparison; cruelty; homicidal tendency, sometimes a critical or top heavy mentality; apt to be fickle and indecisive; works hard for a living; degree of fear; pubis.

Denotes one of an artistic nature and a plodding but powerful disposition who is called to do work of a pioneering nature. He is an advocate of force, and the discipline with which he has been bended he would use on others. It is a symbol Pioneering.

Ascendant:

21-22

This symbol belongs to one that is capable of arduous and protracted labors. His inherent force of character will carry him through all difficulties and beyond all obstacles. He is endowed with much definition of purpose, determination and incisiveness, so that he will make headway against all obstructions and cut out a line in life for himself. He will in all probability find the recompense of his labor in association with agricultural projects, and in the utilization of old and waste materials, it is a degree of DETERMINATION.

A scholarly degree; active mind; persistent in his efforts; studies the past to guide him in his future; usually has more than one hobby; music; muscle endings.

Denotes one whose power is directed to the uplifting and advancement of his race—a stayer of war and strife, of plague and riot. He looks directly ahead, far ahead into the years to come when the new sun will illuminate the glory of a new age of gold. It is a symbol of Renewing.

23-24

This denotes a steadfast and capable person, whose life will be orderly and useful, whose mind will be open to the reception of truth and knowledge and whose passions will be well regulated. He will display a frank and even blunt nature, being free from all craftiness and subtlety; and his mind will have a sincere regard for all that is simple and natural in human nature, and a rooted distrust of the non-transparent. It is likely that he will be disposed to seek his livelihood in the vineyard or hostel, but in the highest capacity he can be will aspire to become a teacher and purveyor of spiritual truths. In any case, he is a man of the common walk and his sympathies are with the people. It Is a degree of SINCERITY.

A blunt, steadfast, and militant person; music; gastric ulcer; from upper to lower legs.

Denotes one who will escape three great dangers by reason of a faith which draws to him the protection of the higher Powers. The most threatening is the third danger, but his faith is proof against this also. He will have moments of intense feeling and will not permit others to usurp his position nor rob him of the fruits of his toil. He is a peculiar child of destiny, and destiny does not design him for a low position in earth life. It is a symbol of Favor.

Pluto:

10-11

This symbol is related to one in whose nature there is more force and energy than power of direction and self-restraint, and who in consequence will be continually running into dangers which to him will be wholly unforeseen though obvious enough to others. He will rely upon his strength and pushfulness to overcome his enemies, but it will be shown to him that there is nothing so insignificant as the strength of a man. Since he cannot overcome Nature let him learn to use her forces with discretion and moderation or he will be wounded in the conflict of life, and unseen dangers will lurk within the hour of exultation as snakes beneath the flowers. It is a degree of FORCEFULNESS.

Fame, leadership and skill at handling men when tact and courtesy are required; can smooth out difficult and antagonistic relationships; when inspired by an ideal; these people have tremendous power; where the cause is great; his work may have its effect on future generations; right crural band.

Denotes one of gifted mind and exceptional qualities, a singer of songs and a bearer of light, whose works gain for him respect and dignity, and whose name will be remembered long after his form has left this earth. Beautiful thoughts will cling to him as the ivy clings to the garden wall, and pleasant minds will come to him as the flowers which entwine the scepter. It is a symbol of Taste.

15-16

This symbol is related to the one who will show considerable aspiration in things of a spiritual nature and will be instrumental in awakening in the breast of man a belief in things supernormal, by fanning the spark of intelligent faith into a flame of conviction and consuming desire. His profession will be allied to the useful arts and his walk in life, although simple and devoid of ostentation, will nevertheless be of singular service to humanity. Great in soul and of immense aspiration, he will prove a veritable Vulcan. It is a degree of INSPIRATION.

Oil producing, literature; appreciation of the beautiful; the artist; often prominent in charts of those who have achieved literary eminence; judicial with good mentality and mathematical ability; fond of sports, music or reading; usually suited to law, finance, statistics, or literary work; lymph vessel of left lower leg.

Denotes one of a trusting spiritual nature who will have trials in life threatening and bitter, and who will often be storm-driven and held in the grip of hard circumstances. Now and then there are breaks in the storms of life which bring relief, no matter how small. But he must go on; his way is difficult and the night is dark, but in the morning light will come. It is a symbol of Experience.

13-14:

This is the symbol of one whose life will be beset with unforeseen dangers, and who should therefore go warily and with much circumspection into the narrow walks of competitive life. About the middle of his life there will be a great catastrophe, by which he will either lose the use of a limb, or will suffer a total collapse of his affairs. He will then be in danger of liquidation and may become involved in serious trouble. Almost from his boyhood he will have to be self- supporting, and while he is sure to be of considerable service to others, and may even be author of much wise counsel, he will himself stand in need of help and sustenance ere his days are half completed. His future thereafter is in the keeping of Heaven. It is a degree of COLLAPSE.

Literature; idealism; music; “Jack of all trades”; apt to be a child of fate; fortune may push him up or down in unexpected ways; appreciation of the beautiful; degree of an artist; versatile ability; rheumatic fever; rheumatism; artery of left lower leg (fibula).

Denotes one who strives to do more than he can accomplish, who has “ too many irons in the fire,” and, while thinking to accomplish much, does but little. He may be two-sided or have two philosophies obtruding themselves at the same time. The life is restless, anxious, and over it hangs a threatening hand. Peace comes from the cultivation of the higher and the rejection of the lower. It is a symbol of Difficulties.

18-19

This symbol is related to one in whose life some great catastrophe will occur at a time when providentially there will be a friend at hand to rescue him from his danger. It indicates that a deficiency of tact and skill is liable to reader him subject to adversity of fortune, and he will suffer financial disaster and even peril of death. But there will be raised up to him a friend capable of sustaining him in his extremity, and he will not therefore sink into the depths. This will be in response to his great faith. The nature, although daring, is lacking in tact and strength. All his troubles will arise from failing to admit his own incompetence. He will travel afar. It is a degree of INSECURITY.

Musical ability; medical fields gain and recognition in any field; good intellect; well adapted to literary work. Bright’s disease; nervous system of the spinal cord.

Denotes one who has a graceful method of expressing his thoughts and who will reach his place when life’s midway has passed. He will accomplish much, and his words will ring so that many will stop to listen. His actions harmonize with his beliefs, and his soul is serene. It is a symbol of Proclaiming.

ITACHI

Saturn: 24-25

It indicates a powerful and haughty nature; one who is disposed to justify himself by force of arms rather than by intrinsic merit. Such a person will make many his servants but few his friends and in the end his state will be a pitiable as that of a dying lion. It is a degree of PRIDE.

Sometimes have theories and ideas of doubtful value; homicidal tendency; alcoholism; men with planets here are careful with their money; lower jaw.

Denotes one of natural talent who will be beset with difficulties in gaining recognition, but whose mental strength will be the more determined because of them. When his time comes his power will be felt. He will force acknowledgment by sheer ability and energy. It is a symbol of Premeditation.

Sun: 17-18

It indicates a person of lofty aspirations, keen mental powers, penetration and executive ability, one who will cut out his own line in life and excite attention, but who may, by his destiny, fail in achieving the result aimed at. It is a degree of EXECUTION.

Good imagination; cordial but caustic; energetic, enthusiastic, and intellectual; a dual personality - men may sometimes have feminine traits; homicidal tendency; Bright’s disease (kidneys); second rib.

Denotes one of great bravery who, feeling himself unconquerable, becomes a mark for the attacks of his enemies, who, thinking to smite him at the point of his weakness, raise about themselves the power which arises from his pain. It is a symbol of Invulnerability.

Neptune: 23-24

It denotes a person of misanthropic spirit and unsociable disposition, who will be estranged from his kindred and may be exiled or outcast from his country. In addition, the native will be short-sighted or have some moral obliquity. so, that be will incur severe troubles through this defect in various ways. It is a degree of LONELINESS.

Painters; “a ship at full sail”; a hard worker who has many ups and downs; sometimes hard to understand because he is not a good mixer and t other times he does not understand himself; benefics are favorable here, but other planets here may denote a lack of chastity; spine; tendons of liver.

Denotes one who may become vain of his earthly power and may use it for purposes which can be of no real benefit to him and no real gratification. Suffering may force him to hold himself in check and to understand that” he who conquers himself is greater than he who conquers a kingdom.” It is a symbol of Violence.

Ascendant:

20-21

The native will be of a penurious~ acquisitive, and mercenary nature; always counting the cost of all he does, and looking well to it that whatever be performs shall first be remunerative; then, if possible (though this is not important), just. He will acquire wealth by easy means, and will indulge in some very notable speculations. It is a degree of COVETOUSNESS.

Talent for mimicry; has the soul of a poet, but necessity often compels him to work along more prosaic lines; interested in diets, health, and laws of nature; gall bladder duct.

Denotes one of resourcefulness and determination who can be trusted to protect and safeguard his vital interests. Others, perhaps even amongst his own kinsmen, may interfere or attempt to interfere with the liberty of the native and prevent his free actions, and he may have to use craft to protect his rights and himself. It is a symbol of Finesse.

26-27

It denotes a person of a peculiarly incapable nature, unhappy disposition, and a certain awkwardness in his bearing. He will suffer ills through want of practical ness and executive power, and by reason of his backwardness will be liable to be victimized and deceived by the more active and wary. It is a degree of BLUNTNESS.

One of the strongest literary degrees. yet, unless the rest of the chart favors writing, Mercury here merely denotes interest, and Venus a love of literature, painting, good philosophy and honest bluntness along with artistic taste; combative but beneficent; strength of character; alert and aspiring; suicide; denotes art and literary ability; intelligence; honor, and riches in disgrace; hip veins.

Denotes one of a quick and critical mind who is gifted with powers of observation and discrimination He is able to turn points to his advantage, and does not hesitate to push forward with energy and activity to gain his desires. It is a symbol of Keenness.

Moon:

20-21

It is the symbol of a bold, independent and forceful nature, that knows either restraint nor law, and that will suffer great privations in order to maintain the semblance of freedom. It is a degree of INDEPENDENCE.

Doctors: music (variations of pitch); not as strong as most Scorpio degrees; alcoholism; violence; homicidal tendency; has little respect for rules and conventions but usually abides by them. Often so reserved that few people understand him.

Denotes one who conceives the dualistic nature of man. He holds that the connexion of spirit and matter is the initial force from which all other forces are brought into being. He admits no intermediate force, pressing home his beliefs with all the certainty of proven facts and with all the vehemence his powerful nature is capable of. It is a symbol of Forcing.

21-22

It is the index of a nature that is impelled by force of circumstances to precipitate and hazardous projects. A restless and impulsive mind, defective in foresight and never aware of danger till it is encountered. The life will be narrowed and confined, and so largely determined by the force of circumstances that it will be in danger of falling from one level to another until it is lost in obscurity and swallowed up in the sands of time. It is degree of COMPULSION.

Doctors; alcoholism; now; homicidal tendency; often found in charts of painters, poets, and astrologers, impulsive and restless yet loves home, solitude, and contemplation; (Unukalhai) immorality, accidents, danger of poison; ethmoid bone and ligaments.

Denotes one who is forced by circumstances to undertake duties which are not always of a pleasant nature. His destiny is to adjust and to demand, and the necessities of his life are opposed to investigations of an ideal or psychic character. It is a symbol of Gathering.

24-25

It is the indication of a predatory and adventurous spirit, a mind that is avaricious and cunning, quick to perceive and enforce its owl advantage, but slow to cultivate the more useful and sociable habits of life. Such will lead a distressful and contentious life, and will not long enjoy the benefit of his conquests. He will snatch an advantage and will be forced to surrender it to others; and because of his selfishness his own friends will berail him. It is a degree of SEIZURE.

Alcoholism; homicidal tendencies; strong desire to gain wealth or power, a malefic here usually denotes trouble with the opposite sex; some connection with magicians; ovarian ducts; coccyx.

Denotes one who is lost in the maze of worldly gain and whose sole happiness is in his ever- increasing wealth. His nature is hard and his estimate of his fellow-creatures is judged by his own standard. His motto is: Treat every man as a rogue until you find him out to be honest, and when you find him out to be honest, think again before you trust him. It is a symbol of Hardness.

26-27

It denotes one who has a forceful and yet pliant mind, a persuasive tongue and a brave spirit. Such an one will lead others by the power of authority which is vested in reason and sustained by the ability of expression. From such a man an appeal is equivalent to a command, and an exhortation equal to a rebuke. He will undertake high duties and grave responsibilities in life and will largely be moved by a power that is within him, unrecognized but potent. It is a degree of PERSUASION.

Usually seems well-balanced, genial, sympathetic, and philosophical, may be placed in positions of trust only to meet personal misfortune.

Denotes one capable of lofty thoughts and high mental flights. There is a subtle, strong diplomacy about this native which cannot be easily gauged by others, but he knows himself, his own ambitious spirit, and his ever-growing faith—a faith which never wavers, no matter if he basks in favors or shields himself from frowns. It is a symbol of Distinction.

Pluto:

2-3

This symbol is related to one whose life is liable to many and severe shocks of misfortune, the severing of ties and the disappointment of hopes. Nevertheless, he will show a spirit of steadfast resignation to the will of Heaven and therein will find consolation for his grief’s and sorrows. The task which he will have to perform in life will be honorable but unprofitable, and many will be the difficulties which encumber his upward path. He is nevertheless equipped for a long and arduous journey, and being endowed with a patient and firm will, he must eventually attain his goal. Only in the interval he will have to surrender all that he holds most dear in life. It is a degree of PERSEVERANCE.

Inquisitiveness; obesity; brings strange events into one’s life; women are much loved; men are natural leaders and follow some unusual line of work; right fibula.

Denotes one of a truly religious mind whose career will be as full of incident as the many pieces which go to make a mosaic pavement are full of color. Material life is not without its dangers— moral and physical—but the native is not born under the heel of fear. He sees beyond his times and bears his cross. It is a symbol of Faithfulness.

7-8

This symbol is indicative of a nature that is strong forceful and independent, loving freedom above all things and desiring death by hunger rather than servitude or restraint. Such a one will prove himself to be of greater service to the race when left to his own resources and given full freedom of action than when bound to a narrow or restricted walk in life. Nevertheless, he is liable to captivity or imprisonment, whether it be as a prisoner of State or as the victim of a hard and unrelenting Fate, and this will be entailed by his inordinate love of freedom. He will, suffer and will serve, and thus gain both wisdom and freedom for all time. It is a degree of ESCAPEMENT.

Hearing; anemia; may be especially good or clever at some particular thing; afflicted; an extremist; hitting at truth of life (something universal); vein of lower left leg.

Denotes one of a vital, vigorous, and martial disposition who endeavors to cut his way by mind or sword. Danger in early childhood may be overcome according to the power of the horoscope, but danger is never absent from him, and he is liable to be constrained or oppressed with enemies of his own making or he may be a dangerous enemy to himself. To pass through a barred window self- conquest alone knows the way. It is a symbol of Limitation.

5-6

This symbol is related to one who has considerable faculty for teaching (prophecy), and skill in manual crafts. As a director of thought, an exponent of religious teachings, as traveler, lecturer, even handicraftsman, he will show himself capable and will meet with distinction. He will be ambitious and will have a mind set upon things that are remote from his environment. Careful in his methods, and ambitious in his designs, he will have to travel far, nevertheless, for the results of his actions, and of him it may be said that what is remote from the sense is ever more attractive than things corporeal, and that which is afar than which is near. It is a degree of APPERCEPTION.

Medical; healing airmen (avoid air travel if Jupiter is afflicted); if prominent; it warns against accidents when traveling especially by air; inventive, unconventional, loves new and experimental schemes; interest in Oriental philosophies smoothness - silk, peace; singers, chanting, nerve of left fibula.

Denotes one on whom Fame smiles and who is fitted to receive her favor. For this native there is dignity and honor, which follows a degree of struggle, disappointment, and comparative obscurity. He is moved by many and varied feelings and is blessed with a vivid and fine imagination. He is cultured, neat in style, and artistic, with considerable psychic ability and occult understanding. It is a symbol of Ascending.

10-11

Mercury:

6-7

It indicates a person of strong personality, but of a tyrannous nature, who, by force of arms and aggression, generally will press forward regardless of the merits of others and insensible of their feelings. His hand, though strong, is frequently unjust and cruel in its action, impelled by the motive that might is right; and, when opposed, is capable of extreme cruelty and selfishness. In certain natures, the influence of this degree generates the common-place bully. It is a degree of SELF-ASSERTION.

Not always diplomatic but appreciates diplomacy in others; physically fearless but sometimes emotionally vulnerable; well aspected, discipline; afflicted, sometimes denotes a bad habit; thoracic canal.

Denotes one who will by his own skill and ability receive and profit by impressions and reach a position which gains him the recognition due to him. To such, perseverance and faith are the essentials, and if he regards the meaning of these two words apart from the words themselves he will crown his labors with success. It is a symbol of Fame.

11-12

It denotes one of fatal tendencies, destructive to a degree; inclined to cruelty and oppression. This person will need to hold his passions in strong check or some fatality will surely come upon him. The nature is melancholy and taciturn; yet silently discerning, and capable of keen feelings. “It makes not, but it mars; and with the hollow eyes of death looks back with secret self-condemnation upon its unfruitful work.’ The end of life is tragic. It is a degree of UNDOING.

History; can work in solitude; degree of retentive memory; usually prudent, bright, and charming; magnetic personality; poison, possibly in working with chemicals; alcoholism; Bright’s disease; cancer; highly occult (the owl, dark subjects, collects owls, night owls); religious; large gastric curvature.

Denotes one of brave and generous disposition who is an earnest and sincere champion of the oppressed and who is one of that great band who cannot be deaf to the moans of the suffering many. He is a militant, generous force, and in his philosophy “charity covereth a multitude of sins.” It is a symbol of Humanity.

Venus:

6-7

It indicates a person of strong personality, but of a tyrannous nature, who, by force of arms and aggression, generally will press forward regardless of the merits of others and insensible of their feelings. His hand, though strong, is frequently unjust and cruel in its action, impelled by the motive that might is right; and, when opposed, is capable of extreme cruelty and selfishness. In certain natures the influence of this degree generates the common-place bully. It is a degree of SELF-ASSERTION.

Denotes one who strives to stand erect. Time does not cast him down, for grandeur and beauty are his companions; but beauty, however sublime, is never without a flaw, for the flaw intensifies the beauty. The erect column indicates strength, the crumbling at the base fear, which alone can destroy if permitted to infect the whole. Where faith is, then fear will be never. True faith is knowledge absolute, and what knowledge so perfect as the consciousness in man of his own strength? It is a symbol of Gracefulness.

8-9

It denotes a man whose chief interest will be in his home, and in the care of his children; one who is attractive to young persons, and whose mind is pacific and benevolent; one who has the ability to inspire confidence and faith in other; whose footsteps will be followed in security and whose life goes by easy way to a peaceful end. It is a degree of MINISTRATION.

A born teacher and scientist; hearing (afflicted - may in - cline to deafness); inordinately fond of food; afflicted - gluttons; if the will is weak, may become a drunkard; a tendency to be contrary and stubborn, especially with planets in 27 degree Aries-Pisces; frequently their own worst enemies; has much to do with healing; cervical vein.

Denotes one who acquires much by work and application, but who lacks the faculty of watchfulness in protecting his gains from the greed of others. He has an easygoing tendency, but gains come from labor, craft, and the management of his own affairs. He may be the victim of deceit or treachery, and should never put himself in the hands of others when his own well-being is concerned. He should avoid things and circumstances he does not understand. It is a symbol of Misleading.

Mars:

1-2

It denotes one for whom life will be a severe lesson; whose ambition is likely to outstrip his power; one who will attempt great his discomfiture; whose efforts will prove futile, and whose hopes a will vanish as the clouds. It is a degree of SELF-PRESERVATION.

Magic; a pleasing personality; a person who is above petty things; loyal and serious-minded; some interest in occultism; magnanimous; opening of throat.

Denotes one capable of immense sacrifices who surrenders self, expecting no reward. The life will be often lonely, but ever threatened by storms. In the end wisdom and worth will triumph and the second half of life brings good promise. It is a symbol of Devotion.

3-4 (likely)

It denotes a person in whose life much sedition will prevail, whose affairs will be marred by his own violence, and whose house will be dismembered through strife, in whom wrath will affect great evils, and whose force will be turned against himself. If is a degree of DISINTEGRATION.

Literature (skill in working out plots); writers of detective stories; one accustomed to the exercise of authority; favors playwrights; military men. organizers who work to uphold the law; degree of plot; planning, tact, and scheming bodily injuries; destruction by fire, war or earth-quake; unscrupulous defeat; throat or larynx.

Denotes one whose destiny it is to come before the public in some professional capacity. The native will be impulsive, bold, and brave, and will be gifted with controlling and magnetic force. He will travel and move about a great deal, and will be exposed to danger with little or no hurt. It is a symbol of Intrepidity.

16-17 (this is also linked with explosions so I think Dei is likely to have something here)

This symbolizes a life of toil without much fruits; the misdirection of effort through ignorance of natural laws; a straining after that which Nature has not designed, and consequent failure in life. The native will be unpopular, moving against the stream, and by much exertion, hurting himself alone. It is a degree of FUTILITY.

Painting; business; musical ability (variations of pitch); singers; oratory; a powerful degree for men; color; and original person who has much influence on his sphere of society; ideas or popularity may grow by spurts, but unexpected falls sometimes follow too; homicidal tendency; abscesses of neck if with 25 degree Leo-Aquarius or 21 degree Aries-Libra; associated with explosions (of nuclear plants or bombings); often a tall person; tonsils.

Denotes one free as air, brave, spiritual, restless, and unfitted for the regular routine of daily life. Care in infancy is essential. He is of a wandering disposition and frequent changes are for him. It is a symbol of Wandering.

14-15 (likely)

It denotes a studious and intuitive nature, whose mental vision will see where others arc in the darkness; one devoted to the inner meaning of Nature’s workings, and acting from obscure motives; one of much self-reliance, inclined to solitariness, and yet always surrounded by friends; one who will be sought after while himself seeking none. It is a degree of MYSTERY.

Business; singers; a degree of exchange and barter; some times traveling salesmen or financiers; may live or die in foreign lands; circulation of blood as well as ideas and propaganda; causes disease, disgrace, ruin injury from beasts, sickness, and loss of fortune; epiglottis.

Denotes a person whose tastes and desires are directed to the understanding of the secrets which rest beneath the veil. He has brought to earth from other sources the knowledge which enables him to find the entrance to the cavern of hidden jewels, but it is doubtful if he can enter, for the gateway is guarded by sublime and intense colors caused by more excessive vibrations than can be endured by the human body. The light vapor approaching the “Ultra” stage is more powerful and effective than dragons of fire. It is a symbol of Initiation.

18-19

It denotes a gentle, inoffensive but weak nature, inclined to indolence or hopelessness, and thus while Nature is luxurious and fertile, and all around speaks of wealth gained by industry, the native remains in a poor condition for want of determination. It is a degree of INCOMPETENCE.

Music ( a trumpet); a person who rises from a humble birth place to a great renown through a process of unfoldment; hair; leader of party; often a tall person; maxillary artery.

Denotes one who is unable to estimate his abilities and who attempts things foolhardy and useless. There is a tendency to irritability and aggressiveness and lack of self-restraint. Thus he will court unpopularity and will suffer from his own actions. It is a symbol of Futility.

24-25

Sometimes have theories and ideas of doubtful value; homicidal tendency; alcoholism; women with planets here are usually intuitive, poetic, lively, and flirtatious; men careful with their money; lower jaw.

Denotes one whose life is harassed by other people, and who will be held to a position to his disadvantage from which he will free himself and go where better conditions prevail, and where he will have better opportunities for employing his skill for his own good. Consult the horoscope. It is a symbol of Restraining.

28-29 (honestly, now that I think about it, this is Tobs through and through)

It signifies a tyrant, who takes delight in power apart from its uses, and whose opinions are bigoted and selfish. To rule, without regard to qualifications, is the passing ambition of one born under this degree. Death, which frees the slave, will bind the hands of a tyrant in irons forged from his own heart. It is a degree of DESPOTISM.

Good organizing ability; strong will; usually magnetic, proud and stoical; heavy drinking; suicide; a degree giving “something to cry about”; Trapizius.

Denotes one who is continually beset with difficulties and who finds it hard at all times to decide his course of action. He is ever between forces of opposite natures, and is quite as likely to do the right thing as the wrong one. These conditions must be subdued by the steady cultivation of the will. It is a symbol of Embarrassment.

NARUTO

Sun: 17-18

It denotes a person of hospitable and homely nature, ever ready with the best of fare to entertain friends and acquaintances. The native will grow to be much beloved for his open handed ness and sincerity of feeling. He will be both prosperous and happy, and will rejoice in the company of his friends. It is a degree of HOSPITALITY.

Electricians; a romantic degree; rules poets; oratorical ability; violence; a person who will get considerable publicity; has many friends; ambitious to be the greatest; kidney illness; liked with sexual problems; subtle mind, shamelessness, and loss through friends and company, fatty capsule of kidneys.

Denotes one of a simple nature who is gifted with a strong spirit of self-sacrifice and endowed with inherent bravery. His way in life will be tangled at times, and he will need his energy to set it right again. He is a helper of himself and of others, and he does not count his own needs first. It is a symbol of Self-sacrifice.

Moon:

12-13

It denotes one who through suffering, pain and hard work, will at the close of life rise to much dignity and receive many honors. This degree is capable, of lifting, the native from obscurity to prominence as the reward of enduring effort. It is a degree of REWARD.

A degree of movement; medical fields - doctors (along with 23-24 deg Leo, Aquarius); sportsmen or athletes (with fixed signs); electricians; wrestlers (with fixed signs); lawyers (along with 23-24 Leo, Aquarius); hair, spiritual intuition; if afflicted - may start many things he will never finish; corpus callosum (band of nerve fibers).

Denotes bravery, love, and sincerity. Honor will come to this native, his thoughts and ambitions lead him upwards. By Love’s guidance he passes over obstacles and pursues an honorable course. His nature is somewhat proud, but he is generous and noble-minded. Influence and favor come to him. It is a symbol of Light.

13-14

It denotes loneliness and indigence in life; one who will lead a strange and outcast life, with few friends and those either unwilling or unable to help him. It. seems to contain the idea of much traveling, perhaps exile, and finally a lonely grave. It is a degree of ISOLATION.

Bakers; dietetics - food and drink; music (the beautiful); love of words; often found in charts of those who compete in games or sports, especially tennis; the physicians; gluttony; independence; freedom, love of wealth and honor, and keen intellect; gives a sixth sense. One cannot tell them a lie because they see through others. They are seldom mistaken in their judgment of others; rheumatic fever; rheumatism; frontal lobes .

Denotes one who reaches a position of responsibility, power, and influence, and seeks to find in man the spark which being agitated blazes forth in glory, guiding by its perfect light. Here we have the teacher who strives to lead men from the valley of darkness into the light of understanding, but who himself is threatened by Error and Hate, which if he permits to influence him will drag him from his throne. But if he join his own great soul to Truth and Love, what wonders may he not perform! It is a symbol of Intercession.

16-17

This is a degree indicating one of a speculative nature, selfish, and luxurious; one whose heart is divided between pleasure and wealth, but who knows not the true use of either. Such would gain wealth by. speculation, but waste it in extravagance. “The fool and his money are soon parted.” So here. It Is a degree of EARTHINESS.

Music (a trumpet); electricians; interest in occultism, spiritualism, metaphysics or magic; persuasive oratory; public life; spinal cord canal.

Denotes a lotus-eater, a lover of pleasure, who delights in ease and the sweets of life. The fortunes are favored, but the native makes no personal effort to increase them. The mind is romantic and art- loving, and the form graceful. It ii a symbol of Luxury.

17-18

This denotes a person of an amiable and pleasant disposition, friendly to all, and beloved of his kinsmen. One who desires peace and concord, and who will meet with success through the intervention of some female friend. It is a degree of AMITY.

Oratorical ability; electricians; poets; children; a romantic degree; with Virgo-Pisces novelists; with Leo-Aquarius or Gemini-Sagittarius poets; often connected with tragedies of violence in either the chart of the attacker or the victim. Associated with divorce and separations; sexual emotionalism; linked with sexual problems; nerve connections.

Denotes sympathy. Many times will the native stumble and fall by the way, but ever will there be a bright light before him to dispel the darkness of the night and to dissipate his fears. The mind is aspiring, but to reach its ideal, pain and struggle are involved. The native must not falter, for very nigh unto him is his hope—a little sacrifice and endeavor will unite him to it. It is a symbol of Upraising.

20-21

It denotes a generous and hospitable nature; one that will succeed through good and worthy actions, yet has some sense of his own merits and powers, and is desirous of recognition. A steadfast and sincere man, who will make many friends and be held by them in respect. It is a degree of CONSCIOUS MERIT.

Electricians; active and adventurous; a degree of supreme sacrifice; abscesses; accidents; a traveler who makes plans and lives them; preparedness, steadiness, determination, and final success; a fortunate degree; eye muscle.

Denotes one who will be assailed by secret and open enemies, who will be liable to troubles and false accusations. In his dealings he should always exercise great care, and should not rely on word- of-mouth agreements. He will not be without devoted friends, who will not neglect him in the hour of his greatest need. His intense feelings will cause him trouble, danger, illness, and regret, and he will have to strive with the dark serpent. Let him unite himself with noble and good-living people, and put away from himself votaries of evil. It is a symbol of Contention.

24-25

28-29

Good organizing ability; strong will; usually magnetic, proud and stoical; heavy drinking; suicide; a degree giving “something to cry about”; Trapizius.

Ascendant:

1-2

It denotes a person of an extremely vacillating and uncertain disposition; weak. minded, and subject to be driven about from one opinion to another; generally moved by consent to prevailing sentiment, and incapable of any firm and independent decision. The native will be liable to experience strange caprices of fortune; and will wander, with many a change of object, from one place to another, but little permanence for good will be assured to him. At times exceedingly hopeful, and anon depressed and nervous, the native will make little headway or progress. It is a degree of WEAKNESS.

Have a way of making themselves pleasing to the opposite sex but often seem monotonous to those of their own sex; prodigal sometimes vacillating; apt to use the other fellow’s ideas because he lacks confidence in his own; sometimes not dependable and apt to wander from place to place; aorta.

Denotes one whose early life is threatened and who in later years will gain possession of material secrets discovered by another which he has long sought to obtain. Having obtained them, he claims the discoveries as his own, gaining thus further professional advancement and reputation. His triumph may last till he breathes his last breath, then he will learn what in spite of all his learning he does not know, and his action of yesterday brings remorse on the morrow. It is a symbol of Artifice.

3-4

It denotes a person of the most prudent, circumspect, and patient mind; capable of sustaining great fatigue in the accomplishment of his desires; a mind gifted with much diplomacy, suavity, self-restraint, and watchfulness; keen in observing but slow to draw conclusions; capable when aroused, of much malice, but not of open anger. Firm in his attachments, a fast friend and unrelenting enemy. The native will succeed in life by dint of caution and perseverance. It is a degree of CURCUMSPECTION.

A benefic there or any planet well aspected there inclines too honesty and integrity; anarchism (not going with any thing); an active person; not easy to anger but capable of malice when aroused; usually sensitive and often hurt by lack of harmony in the home; a critical analyst, but sincere with good intentions; left carotid artery.

Denotes one who may be deceived by smiles and promises. He should be especially careful of those in power, and should be wary lest in negotiations he betrays his plans and aspirations to keen and subtle adversaries. Wisdom is in silence. It is a symbol of Treachery.

5-6

It denotes a person of a proud, martial nature, with considerable tastes for athletics, deeds of daring and prowess, contests, feats of arms, and the like. Somewhat given to argument and contention. ever ready to rush into disputes regardless of danger. The native will succeed as a soldier, or in active service requiring courage and strength; but will be liable to some reverses of fortune following upon undue self-assertion. It is a degree of PROWESS.

A medical or healing degree; hair; a martial nature with a liking for athletics; a leader, usually in some physical or military way; usually well-liked by inferiors; a person of great energy who may drive himself to ruin unless he controls his passions; entrance of pulmonary artery.

Denotes one who will be compelled to fight and struggle during a great part of his life and who will often have to use his ingenuity to release himself from entanglements and troubles. He may have financial difficulties or difficulties over property or estates. In the end—perhaps even in the midst of worry—his star rises and he triumphs over enemies and evil conditions. It is a symbol of Strategy.

Saturn: (honestly these both sound kind of off)

8-9

It denotes a person of tasteful, but luxurious habits; one who will spend much upon mere show, and will depend much upon appearances to the neglect of more desirable uses. Together with these characteristics, there is a great deal of pride, which in the uneducated may run to ostentation and snobbishness. Yet, in any sphere of life the native will be fortunate among his compeers. It is a degree of DISPLAY.

Sense of hearing; anemia; skin; afflictions to planets here; love of solitude; generosity; travel in connection with business; talkative but incapable of pettiness; often misunderstood because they do not fully understand themselves, looks at things from positive standpoint; knows that even his troubles are of his own making; care and responsibility; a charitable and fostering nature; afflicted brings danger of a violent death, serious accidents or burns; the eyes; vena cava.

Denotes one fortunate, but somewhat vain, whose desire it is “to make a good appearance’ and who expends much money for this purpose. But the glories which shine forth from a great soul glitter more than the choicest diamond in the daintiest setting, giving a lasting beauty which age cannot change nor time obliterate. There are two sides to this symbol, and both reflect, for it is a symbol of Reflection.

9-10

It denotes one whose chief ambitions will not come to completion; but, either through disaster or untimely death, ‘will be prematurely brought to naught. To whomsoever this degree may appertain, the warning goes forth :—build not for the future, but for eternity, for it is very nigh; and if thou sowest aught, make no count of the harvest, for the seasons are not to thy hand; yet both sow and build for the greater good, and work in hope! In character the native will be versatile, somewhat morose and despondent, but strong in trial; and giving shelter even to the worthless out of pure goodwill. It is a degree of PERIL.

Alcoholism; army and navy; versatile, fearless, firm and sure but sometimes morose; often interested in the mystic secrets of life and death; sudden friendships and estrangements; bladder afflictions; jugular vein.

Denotes one of brave, fearless, and noble disposition whose natural greatness of soul is moved by the necessities of others, and who always puts the well-being of another before his own comforts. Envy is directed against him and malice turns her evil eyes on him. He will be exposed to many and grave dangers, for duty to him is ever the first thought. It is a symbol of Daring.

Venus:

23-24

It denotes a person of much independence of spirit, self-confidence, pride, and no little love of distinction. The native will suffer on account of his isolated feelings, and will be in danger of betrayal by the machinations of perfidious enemies. At a time when he has reached a height of isolated distinction, he will fall under the jealous hand of his enemies. It is a degree of PRIDE.

Often associated with homosexuality (depending on aspects); gives success, renown, and riches; a love of arts and sciences; adversely aspected; unscrupulousness, unfaithfulness, and injustice to innocence; “sweetest star of the heavens”; “star of the artists” and promises honor and fame; prefers to work and plan in privacy, but his work may achieve great renown; vascular circulation of the renal cortex.

Denotes one who will suffer from an overconfident nature that neglects those details which, insignificant as they may appear, are as necessary for the safeguarding of his interests as water is to earth. His mentality is good, and he is capable of useful mental work, but he may lose the results of his labor. and suffer thereby in many ways. It is a symbol of Entrapping.

26-27

It indicates a nature that is attuned to works of benevolence and homely simplicity, careful in the affairs of daily life, solicitous of peace and comfort, and ever ready to shelter, befriend and succor the wayside traveler without neglect of those within his doors. It is a degree of BENEVOLENCE.

Detectives; artistic and sensitive; a lover of children; sympathies often on the unpopular side; peculiar mental quirks such as a mind that can do only one thing at a time; a cool courage; lack of moral and physical suppleness; slow-witted and slowly aroused; vascular system of the skin.

Denotes one who if saved from malefic planetary action is contented with little and is pleasant and kind to men and animals. His nature is devotional and sensitive, and is capable of obtaining knowledge from astral sources and atmospheric conditions. He influences others for good, spreading content in the halls of inharmony. It is a symbol of Harmony.

Neptune:

6-7

It indicates a person of susceptible and weak nature, easily led away, and liable to be drawn to his destruction by the agency of the opposite sex. The native may attain to a high position in life, but whatever his position, he is in danger of an untimely fall. Let him take heed against the allurement. of the world. It is a degree of FALLING.

Aviation; birds; a child of fate; strange things happen to them; often psychic or intuitive; dancers, love of danger; goiter; nervous system.

Denotes one with a great message who will travel everywhere and whose thoughts and feelings are expanded and uplifted thereby. His wanderings are often directed beyond this earth to the heavenly fields and, to the lands dosed to those held in material bodies. He is capable of performing many good acts for others and is ever ready to resist actions unworthy of a true man, holding meanness in contempt. It is a symbol of Movement.

7-8

It denotes one of a melancholy and retiring nature, very sensitive, and of keen sympathies. The native will be in danger of early bereavement, and will at an early age be left devoid of family ties and friends. It is a degree of EFFACEMENT.

Rules animal life, usually loquacious; given to speculation; paint, perfume, or chemicals may play a part in the vocation; sudden death, dancers, love of danger, jaundice of the renal pelvis.

Denotes one who will have need to exercise very great caution as to the safe keeping of his worldly possessions. Such a one should keep away from speculations, ventures, and crafty people, and undertake nothing of a nature involving risk. It is a symbol of Forfeiting.

8-9

It indicates a person of quick, impetuous, quarrelsome, and aggressive nature, who will cause many disputes in life on account of his Irascible disposition, and will make many enemies. The native will be in danger of losing his life while engaged in sonic affray or quarrel, and should know bow to forefend himself by self-command, which Is the greatest of all conquests. It is a degree of FIGHTING.

Publicity or scandal (if Venus here, over a love affair or divorce); often causes one to become a widow; immorality; courage, talent for science, literature, or leadership; aggressiveness; linked with sexual problems; jaundice of the kidney and renal pelvis.

Denotes one who should avoid law and disputes. Inharmony is to him a state of evil which forces him into a groove of fate and holds him in bondage. He should endeavor by the power of his soul to keep the scales even and do nothing to prejudice his peace. It is a symbol of Unevenness.

Mars:

24-25

It is the index of a mind that is given to excessive indulgence and undue enthusiasm in matters of a spiritual and mental nature; one who will follow out his projects regardless of consequence, impelled as it were by a species of mental intoxication. The substance and form of this symbol is allied to the higher nature, but should the carnal appetites gain an ascendancy over him, he will in all probability degenerate into a debauchee. Moderation should be his watchword even in spiritual things. It is a degree of EXCESS.

Usually quick perception; remarkable memory; good imagination; condyle of right femur.

Denotes one of romantic mind, loving and leaning to the philosophy and thought of other days, in which he is a master. The forces play around him and attempts from the two worlds will be made to draw him from his deeper thoughts to the frivolity, folly, and transitory joys of earth. Many times will he be shaken, but his power is too great for sensual over comings. Instead he throws to the world the wine of life that those who are able may drink. It is a symbol of Spiritual Struggles.

25-26

This is the sign of one to whom appearances are apt to count or much, but who will nevertheless be possessed of a really deep and sympathetic nature. Fidelity and friendship will be prominent characteristics of his nature. Fidelity will be dexterous in the use of arms, apt in the imitation of mannerisms, and would make a capable actor,. being gifted with powers of dramatic. representation. Of a kind and sympathetic nature, he will readily attract friends, and yet few will know him for what he really is. It is a degree of IMITATION.

Anarchism; literature; better for benefics than for malefics, which bring trouble through the opposite sex; associated with nervous troubles, especially in his speech, if afflicted by Mercury or Uranus, sometimes due to a glandular deficiency; tyrannical disposition; love of liberty; good mentality; inventive, intutive, and emotional; gout; neurasthenia; if conjunct or opposition an afflicted luminary or its afflicting planet; impaired eyesight, perhaps blindness.

Denotes one who is attracted to the sport and gaieties of life, and to whom physical pleasures constitute the essence of existence. The native may indulge in extravagances and will feel the ups and downs of life. His philosophy favors the pursuit of happiness, and his mental gifts will be directed to the furtherance of his thoughts. It is a symbol of Pleasure.

29-30

It is the symbol of mind that is capable of sustaining great and arduous work, one to whom some of the dark secrets of Nature will be revealed. He may show some taste for agriculture culture or may follow the fortunes of some great mining industry or archaeological research, and in such he will be a discoverer. Whatever his walk in life, his work will be difficult and protracted, but success will ultimately crown his labors. Endowed with a sharp, incisive mind and strong purpose, he will ignore the advice of friends and rely wholly on is own efforts. It is a degree of DISCOVERY.

Clairvoyance; imitators; aptitude for studying human nature; angina pectoris; large or peculiar teeth; especially if on the Ascendant; wants to be the “head man” unless a benefic is here; good intellect; sometimes art ability but better suited to commercial enterprises; gives an immoral; mean; slovenly nature; pear-shaped muscle.

Denotes one of active mental power who is indispensable to his friends and a thorn to his enemies. He is capable of seeing events far in advance of their materialization and counts the years of human progress in its pendulum-like motion. He has in him a strong spirit of fight and a feeling of naught else but victory. It is a symbol of Supremacy.

Pluto : Same as Sasuke.

Section Four: Synastry and composite

Based on the degrees I used for natals, I drew up a composite chart and a synastry chart for sasuke and itachi as well as for sasuke and naruto but I wont be providing interpretations since that would make this post far too long. Note that some of these aspects might be wrong as not all degrees are certain.

Before we get started let me just clarify the difference between synastry and composite.

Synastry is conversations between different parts of people. An example would be if my mercury and your moon are in a nice harmonious aspect, I say something in my style of communication based on my thinking process, now you get what I’m saying at an emotional level because you feel the same way, your feeling process and my thinking process are similar, the way you express your emotions and the way I express my thoughts are close, so I get how you feel on a logical level and you get what I think on an emotional level.

Composite is the overall, combined energy of the relationship. Lets say you have a very rational and to the point way of communicating but then you meet this person and with them, for some reason, as soon as you meet both of you seem to communicate in an emotional, passive-aggressive way (strongly aspected composite mercury in cancer). Or if you have tons of things in common with someone, you communicate in a similar way, you like the same things, but you just can’t seem to think of a single thing to say to them. You meet and your mind goes blank, there should be a world of things to talk about but literally nothing comes to mind, the conversation is dry and an absolute chore and then you look at that composite and there’s a tight saturn (restriction, block) conjunct mercury (communication) and everything makes sense. It also says things like why you got together (composite sun), how people perceive your relationship (composite ascendant), ...

So lets go see how these characters relate to each-other on a cosmic level.

edit: I removed the composite to natals part because they require extremely tight orbs so it’s kind of risky for something so uncertain.

Sasuke-Itachi synastry:

I forgot to erase that sun-sun semi-square (it’s out of orb) so just ignore it. Lots of harmonious saturn could lend itself to commitment and respect, lots of harmonious aspects to sasuke’s venus along with itachi’s sun in his 5th shows how fun and loving this relationship was for him (sasuke). Both their moons are getting lots of close aspects too. Those moon ascendant aspects and quick comfort and easy relating, an immediate emotional connection, Itachi’s mars aspecting Sasuke’s moon, ...

Sasuke-Itachi composite:

So this composite sun (purpose, nature of the relationship) in cancer (family) is perfect. I wonder if this was a coincidence or if Kishi really looked this up. Ascendant in scorpio is pretty nice as well. Plenty of neptune, lots of pluto, ...

Composite sun in the eight very much paints their relationship, intense, obsessive, transformative and full of death (both metaphorical and literal). Composite moon in the third, communication is important to the health of their relationship and emotional security regarding it, ... There is plenty of stuff to unpack here so I’m not going get into it, specially since we don’t know much for certain.

Sasuke-Naruto synastry:

An interesting point here is that naruto’s moon would be in sasuke’s 4th house of family so that explains why he sees his family in him. Also, like I mentioned, plenty of harsh pluto, harsh mars-pluto giving lots of energy which if directed well, can contribute to good teamwork against outside forces and if not will lead to petty yet emotionally volatile arguments and controlling behaviour.

I put the ascendant opposition aspect there even though it’s out of orb because kishi went out of his way to make them opposites in the way they present/carry themselves and their aesthetic so this aspect would probably exist.

Sasuke-Naruto composite:

There are two extremely important personal planets missing here (jupiter and mercury) so the picture isn’t complete but based on what we have, we can tell quite a bit of the story.

Venus conjunct sun is a very good aspect which means the relationship makes the people involved in it feel good, have fun, ... Sun trine moon and venus trine moon are also great aspects to have so that’s nice. Mars trine saturn could make them more organized and better at acting together in a systematic way. Neptune trine mars could mean that they understand each other’s actions and drive (in a physical/tangible sense, not necessarily the reasons behind them) intuitively.

Sun square mars is similar to my previous point, lots of energy which will at best lead to working effectively together against outside forces and at worst will lead to violence, unhealthy rivalry/arguments and constant irritation.

Mars-neptune, not seeing the nature of the relationship properly, delusion, illusion, escapism, an unwillingness to see the relationship for what it is, ... neptune-saturn and lack of proper boundaries.

Ascendant in aries and the rival look, sun in virgo (coworkers, a work relationship), composite sun in the 5th, a fun, dramatic and creative relationship, composite moon in the first, projecting feelings about the relationship all over the place, it just can’t be hidden and the outside world sees you as emotionally tied together, perhaps more so than you actually are unless there are other strong moon aspects to personal planets, ...

One thing that is oddly not here is major pluto aspects, however, if lack of aspects to a planet in a composite chart is similar to a natal chart then it could make that planet’s themes more prominent because the energy has no proper outlet so it pops up everywhere.

Thank you for your time, any input is appreciated :))

#sasuke #sasuke uchiha #itachi #itachi uchiha #naruto #naruto astrology #sasuke astrology #sasuke astrology analysis #itachi astrology analysis #naruto astrology analysis #n-astro

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ll-underestimated-ll · 4 years

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On the note of wights, I’ve had neonates in the past be shocked that I’m not one considering the actions I’ve admitted to. But, they neglect to take into account my framing of such actions based upon my origins. I don’t encourage them to let go of their morals, if they cannot stomach having blood on their hands that’s perfectly fine and I hope they can retain such innocence long into the night.

But when you’ve been raised during times where death, disease & war are an intimate part of life, a time where torture is a legitimate part of the judicial process and public executions are a form of entertainment... etcetera etcetera... You find yourself not so phased by such things so much and must work backwards. I can understand nowadays that confessions under torture are typically unreliable. Can understand that many deaths at my hands in the past that I found to be reasonable at the time are no longer such.

That shift in understanding, that admission that I see wrong in past actions I found justifiable at the time is something to be pitted against the person I was. Were we to take that boy from 1516 and throw him headfirst into the modern night, pin all my actions to him, from his perspective he’d have become an outright heathenous irredeemable monster (and while not incorrect) he- going forward- would likely look to abandon all morals having seen himself to have squandered them all already. That boy, faced with so many horrific crimes would likely quite promptly spiral into wight-hood.

So I believe what I’m attempting to speculate here is that, to some degree avoiding wighthood has to do with the time between the person you were and the person you become. The lived reality you had then, and the lived reality you find yourself in. How you change to fit that. What the context of your actions are within. And the way you shift your moral framing around without outright disregarding the consequences of your actions. Someone’s background even in the modern nights greatly influences their standing towards the law - and we can take thievery, property damage, and drugs as an example there. Two kindred embraced tonight could have very different positions on how severe of a crime such things can be, as defined by their lived reality. One of them might find themselves taking steps towards becoming a wight through becoming dismissive of such actions while the other already was yet has a set of frameworks around when, what, and from whom. As their life situation changes they might be seen as taking steps away from becoming a wight when really they’ve just been removed from the pressures that formed their framework.

So... time and natural allowances based upon circumstances in order to survive. Things that have been comfortably rationalized rather than forcibly. Retain a framework and so forth...

Alright that’s enough disjointed rambling from me. Thank you from attending Prince Lehmann introspection hour.

#ic #no proofreading no checking for coherency sometimes you just have to ramble out some ~thoughts~

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orionsangel86 · 5 years

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SPN Speculation - SDCC chatter

Hey guys, a little birdy told me that Tumblr hasn’t been handling the SDCC news all that well? I have been asked to come back and share some thoughts I have so far only been floating around in GCs and very briefly on Twitter.

For those of you feeling negative about Season 15, that’s of course your prerogative, but I am honestly extremely happy with what tidbits of information we have received.

This got long so under a cut is quotes from SDCC and my own reactions and speculation including an ending concept I thought of that I am quite happy with.

First of all, Andrew Dabb’s joke about only 30% of the audience liking the ending was just that, a JOKE. They were digging at Game of Thrones. Bobo has already confirmed on Twitter previously that SPN ending will be NOTHING like Game of Thrones.

https://twitter.com/robertberens/status/1127821427149721600

https://twitter.com/robertberens/status/1127976311303970816

This was back during the final few eps of GoT when Bobo got really chatty with fans online about the way GoT told it’s stories. He confirmed that SPN is completely different, believes in heroism, and is focused on its characters rather than the world at large.

What Bobo essentially was saying was that SPN isn’t going for a dark gloomy ending more focused on the universe than each characters individual end journeys. SPN will have a satisfying end for its audience compared to the dark and gloomy hopeless ending GoT presented us with.

So any snark they had at SDCC comparing SPN to GoT was prob based on this and is totally not to be taken seriously.

What made me feel far more positive was Dabb and Bobo saying the following:

Dabb: “you want people to feel it was worth their time. Because this show is a big time investment. Three hundred and twenty seven hours [is a lot]. You don’t want to leave people feeling hollow, you don’t want to leave them feeling cynical. You don’t want to make them think we don’t take very seriously the amount of time and effort they put into this show and the amount of time and effort we put into this show. So that doesn’t mean the ending is always happy and everybody is high-giving. But it means the journey was worth something and came to a place that makes everyone feel it was worth taking that trip.”

Bobo said “at it’s core, making sure we end powerfully and meaningfully the stories of Jack, Cas, Sam and Dean, and honor them and their characters and their emotions and the audiences emotions for them.... that’s sort of our north star in breaking the show.”

Also Bobo: “We have some really interesting and fun ways to play around with that expectation [of whether Sam and Dean should live or die]. Not just in the final stretch but throughout the season. I think that question will be raised in a number of ways. And Sam and Dean will be struggling with that in a number of ways. I think we’re very conscious as writers that this is not the Game of Thrones type [of situation] – just shove everyone’s face in the mud kind of downer. It’s a balance of pain and uplift that we have to hit perfectly that feels fresh and doesn’t feel like something we’ve done before. And I think that we have some ideas that we’ve very excited about that will stick that landing for us.”

Whilst we have to remember that this is still just PR, it is good to hear from both Bobo and Dabb that ultimately they seem to understand what is important and how to end this show right. My interpretation from this is not that the show will end in death and misery, but in something hopeful and somewhat satisfying, even if it is different.

(My sources from this are from a GC where the text I think is copied from an article. If you know the article please send me the link)

Dabb also talked quite a bit about how the one thing that is set in stone and has been for at least a year already, is the very final scene of the show. They had this in mind before Season 14 was written. So everything else will be written around this final scene. (also means we need to pay closer attention in our S14 re-watches.)

Dabb and Bobo both think the ending will satisfy fans, or at least that fans will understand why the ending they chose makes sense. Dabb specifically said “What we are crafting is something that I hope will make sense as an emotional ending to these characters journey. I don’t think it’s something that’s going to make everybody happy, because that’s impossible. But I certainly hope that even the people who hoped it ended differently will understand why it ended that way.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHjhnG5w2gw

The one take away that REALLY interested me was this from Jensen:

“It took me a while to get there. When we were in the room and the idea came down the pipe and everybody kind of signed off on it, my reaction was more like “okay, okay”. I’d struggled with it for about a week or so and I realised I’m just too close to this character. To see anything with finality on it is just hard to digest. And I talked to a few people about it and got some clarity on it and I’ve tried to look at it from a different perspective and I now have come around to being “oh, this is a really good ending. This is satisfying.””

https://twitter.com/Bluestar861/status/1153080393106710528

So to sum up:

Dabb says that the ending they have gone with is one that makes sense emotionally in terms of character journey

Bobo says that the ending will honor the characters of Sam, Dean, Cas and Jack and WON’T be anything like GoT

Jensen says that he struggled with the ending at first, and had to have it explained to him to get clarity on why they are taking that route, after which, he understood and now thinks its a really good ending.

To top this, Jared spoke of the ending being the characters finding peace (whether alive or dead - but in a way that implied they would be alive)

Misha has confirmed he doesn’t know the ending, so he has simply been reiterating his old stance that Cas has to die and as much as we love him, we can disregard everything he says based on his own words from Jibcon “I make shit up.”

As a meta writer and someone who spends a lot of time picking apart the stories to find SENSE and MEANING in the CHARACTER JOURNEY’S and knowing that JENSEN ACKLES DIDN’T UNDERSTAND AT FIRST?!

I AM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS NEWS.

Jensen not understanding imo means the ending will not be Sam and Dean dying together in a blaze of glory, it won’t be a separation in death either for any of the characters. My best guess? The brothers go their separate ways in the end.

Hear me out. It fits okay. Let’s bring this back to the obvious question:

How do you end a show where death is not taken seriously?

Easy. You separate the characters in LIFE, bringing an end to their joint story. If SPN has always been a story about two brothers, saving people, hunting things, the family business (with the family growing over the past so many years), then the way you end that is not by killing them off, it’s by separating the core characters from the story itself, and from each other.

The reason I am speculating THIS ending is also because of one EXTREMELY EXCITING fact that also came from SDCC:

EILEEN IS RETURNING

https://twitter.com/Shoshannah7/status/1153077148883640321

Call me an optimist, but they aren’t going to bring back the one character who ticked all of Sam Winchester’s boxes for one episode as a ghost or a soul in heaven - they are gonna bring her back properly, and that can only mean one thing. SAILEEN. Sam getting a romantic endgame is PERFECT and it fits my theory. Eileen coming back opens up the potential for Sam to have a new hunting partner, or even better, a new MOL Legacy partner to reestablish the MOL as a society for learning and protecting the world from the Supernatural. A training center for hunters and supernatural scholars all over the world. TELL ME THIS ISN’T PERFECT FOR SAM I DARE YOU.

Obviously, the one caveat to this awesome opportunity for Sam, is no more hunting with Dean. Hence, end of Supernatural as we know it.

What does this mean for Dean? Well, If a certain angelic blue eyed beauty gets their true story potential - their emotionally satisfying character journey end - then that angelic blue eyed beauty will be hanging up their wings for good and slumming it with us mud monkeys permanently.

A sacrifice? Yes, finality? Yes. Death? Hell no.

Further thoughts on this here:

https://twitter.com/Bluestar861/status/1153278119576592385

With a human Cas by his side, Dean can still do whatever he wants, travel the country, or take himself and his hot ex-angel “buddy” off to the beach, because the main focus of Dean’s character arc, his character journey over the course of so many seasons, has been to find peace with himself, as well as freeing himself from the burden of parenthood forced on him by his father and let Sam go.

Dean has never been comfortable being alone, and it wouldn’t make sense for him to end his journey alone either - at all - which is why Jensen’s dream ending that he keeps telling at cons about Dean swapping Baby for a motorbike also makes no bloody sense - but of course, as Jensen said, he didn’t really understand the ending presented at first did he?

Jensen would struggle with the idea of Sam and Dean both choosing to separate in life, especially if that ending also had an ambiguous Destiel twist to it. Jensen has always made his views on the brothers relationship clear, he is a “together to the end” man, so it makes sense that he would need to have the toxic codependency and why it needs to break explained to him.

I have no idea whether Destiel will be part of this so please don’t ask me, I happen to think at this point that it will be ambiguous and open to interpretation. But if the show ends with Dean and human Cas together mirrored against a happy Sam and Eileen I’ll be satisfied.

DISCLAIMER: This is a speculative fan theory thought up for fun. It is NOT serious show meta, it is literally inspired by PR from SDCC. I DO NOT HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL - IF I DID I WOULD BE BUYING LOTTERY TICKETS RIGHT NOW NOT TELLING YOU LOT HOW SPN IS GONNA END.

Of course, all my theories are inspired by in show character themes and emotional sub plots. I’m not pulling this shit out of thin air, I just... don’t want you all to start accusing me of leading you on or getting your hopes up if S15 starts and throws us a huge curve ball because I literally know nothing more than you lot and frankly the attacks on meta writers over the past few years have disgusted me and made me loose quite a bit of faith in the fandom collective brain cell - which I generally assume doesn’t exist in those that actually do attack meta writers.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Still, please try not to burn this hellsite to the ground based on SDCC PR. It’s supposed to be fun!

Peace.

#Supernatural #spn speculation #sdcc2019 #pr is not showrunning #spn fan theories #spn endgame #season 15 #saileen #destiel #andrew dabb #bobo berens #jensen ackles #my thoughts

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obserfdom · 5 years

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False God, Kaylor's New Anthem

False God - the sexiest part of the album, Lover, (similar to the flirtatious Dress in Reputation) to me personally, has a intriguing meaning. I have searched the web to see what analyses so far regarding the lyrics. Nothing much, mostly saying that it is about Joe Alwyn. Okay, let's debunk this one. 'Cause I also know that Kaylors have an interpretation from the gay's angle.

I think, I can speak on both perspectives, since I've been in both. I once married, however my biggest love life relationship was with woman. So, I am really curious to know, in what angle did Taylor actually write this song.

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We were crazy to think. Crazy to think that "this" could work -> okay, since almost everyone out there agree that FG about love/relationship, so "this" referring to Taylor relationship (lover).

Now, don't you think it kinda strange that Taylor having a doubt about her relationship with Joe? I mean, she was 27th when she first met Joe & with enough experiences in relationship already, not to mention Joe is also coming from almost the same background, apart from different country and Joe gained celebrity status from the cinematic industry, but still I mean, what is so crazy about starting a "heteronormative" relationship like that?

Unless... she was talking about a "different kind" of relationship - something, which in general, still being perceived as 'abnormal'...

Hmmm, interesting.

But wait, there's another way to translate it, that somehow during that moment she was having an existential crisis. She questioned a lot of thing: the meaning of being celebrity i.e. she worked so hard to pursue her dream whilst at the same time she was devastated by the facts that people whom she thought once friends, stabbed her from the back - or that strangers would start to belittle & mocking her for everything - she had trust issue, she started losing confidence, she hold grudge, she was in emotional turbulance (these loosely translation based on her interviews).

Hence: she thought to drag someone to her "crazy" world would be tenacious.

Remember how I said I'd die for you? --> seems like she was really madly in love here

We were stupid to jump --> yet they've decided to taste the water anyhow

In the ocean separating us. Remember how I'd fly to you?

--> ok, again, this does fit Joe. Cause taking it in literal sense, then it probably about her had to fly back n forth US-UK.

However, Karlie still fits the role as well, I think, since they both doing a busy life, mostly continental apart.

Whoever it was for, metaphorically speaking it is about how she was making a sacrifice for the relationship to work.

And I can't talk to you when you're like this

--> later we would comprehend that Taylor was talking about a moment when her and lover had some feud. When she restrospected how during the couple-fight, her beau would:

Staring out the window

(I imagine her beau stood still, in silence, gazed through the window) avoiding to look her in the face, thus she thought:

like I'm not your favorite town

!!! What is her beau fave town?

I'm New York City

(yeah, baby!) And whose fav city is New York? Karlie Kloss!

"Well, Joe can also regard NYC as his fave city..." True - but, Taylor wouldn't be writing something that has no common reference to it. I've googled Joe's city preference and came out with null results. While as for Karlie Kloss, almost everywhere - you can find her boasting around about how much she loves NYC. As a matter of fact - she was the one who convinced Taylor to move to NYC in 2014 (and Taylor has been in love to the city, since).

Furthermore the next lyrics kinda congruent to the above speculation:

I still do it for you, babe

--> "I moved to NYC still staying here to date because of you." See, it still a close referrence to Karlie.

Can you come out with different translation that lead to Joe, instead? If you do, please let me know in the comment.

They all warned us about times like this. They say the road gets hard and you get lost

--> this one is really interesting. We all know Joe and Taylor still together and that Taylor somehow bragging about how happy in relationship she is now. But here as if like her saying that 'something happened to the couple' in FG story. Something big and terrible - something that might cause them to split/break apart.

And she kinda blame, the reason why it happened cause:

When you're led by blind faith. Blind faith

--> what is the meaning of "blind faith" in term of falling in love? Yes, when you are so in love that you are willing to do anything to retain or to be in it. You disregard everything, cause you are so drunk inside the pool of love, lust, altogether. You become 'blind'.

Ok, let's speak in het point a view, first - do you think, you see a magical spark when seeing Joe with Taylor out and about? Hard to tell? Okay, fair enough.

But here, an excerpt from Rolling Stone interview:

Her paused after accentuated the word "if"... to me is her showing hesitation even doubt to the idea of having a family.

Kinda weird coming from her current public image in Lover Era where she continue asserting how happy she is and how seems like, she has found the love of her life.

Further in FG she asserted that she is madly in love with someone whom she willing to die for - to fly across ocean for - so much intoxicated by love as if like having a blind faith!

Unless... the love of her life which she depicted in FG is...

in which because of that, for her to think of the ideas of: 'to be together, be a family'; would be a crazy notion and hard to imagine.

***

Yet, she also made it clear in FG, despite the odd, she was not ready to release the idea of 'stick together for good', because she thought there is still possibility that:

(But) we might just get away with it

***

The following lyrics to me, kinda raw and blatant:

Religion's in your lips. Even if it's a false god. We'd still worship.

(We might just get away with it)

The altar is my hips.

Lips & hips -> you imagine anything? (Lol).

Why False God? Clearly, she still talking about love:

Even if it's a false god. We'd still worship this love.

So in another word, Taylor using False God as a metaphor for passionate love she was experiencing with someone.

But why False God?

My take using gay perspective: is because we know how most religions condemn homosexuality. So with probably her involved in the same sex relationship, which would be considered sin or false by many, this probably her way of saying: "I don't care. I have all the rights to love whomever I want to love, regardless what society in heterenormative world would think!"

I know heaven's a thing. I go there when you touch me, honey. Hell is when I fight with you. But we can patch it up good. Make confessions and we're begging for forgiveness. Got the wine for you.

In general sense, the narrative here is about normal things happen in relationship. It's about having differences inside romance - a fight, a quarrel- then "kiss and make up".

But again, it is interesting how she chose the religious term like 'hell' and 'heaven' to equate her romantic endeavours.

This can't stop me from thinking that she actually is talking about sacred-secret love which against religious belief.

(Again, her way in saying: "I don't care your heaven or hell! I have my own, in this love-life story of mine!").

I would also like to re-iterate: "Got the wine for you" - seemingly her 'make up' sentence for her beau. But it is interesting to think about her chosen word "wine" there. It could mean literally that they both do love wine or...

"intimate love" - ok very much correlated. Yet further from the same source (wiki), wine (alcohol in general) often perceived as "evil".

So in which way, Taylor denoted "wine"? If its in devilish way, yes, then it is another mockery from her to religious dogma as if like saying: "I don't mind being perceived as evil. Me and lover will continue doing what we are doing!"

And you can't talk to me when I'm like this. Daring you to leave me just so I can try and scare you.

Hehe, so woman, don't you think? ;)

You're the West Village. You still do it for me, babe.

A shout out to Kaylors on this. Cause west village in literal meaning is a place where Karlie once lived.

Is there any other meaning for West Village? Yes, a big maybe. But unfortunately, I couldn't find any. Perhaps, you can dig on that and tell me later?

Finally, when come back to:

They all warned us about times like this. They say the road gets hard and you get lost

--> if we persevere with Karlie's scenario - then one could imagine this depiction is perfectly suitable to the Kaylors conspiracy theory.

How we speculated that their relationship in trouble - they chose to beard for their career sake - beside continue "behind the scene" with their LOVE that worthy eternal worshipping.

Sounds too delusional?

Perhaps. But since it is still a blank space, one owns a prerogative to write things accordingly. And False God is a love letter from Taylor Swift to Karlie Kloss? I'd say ameen to that!

xxx

Update: Joe Alwyn Fave City (thank you @dodsdmr for this info)

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lokidokiliteratureclub · 5 years

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Frostbitten (Chapter Two)

Y/N L/N is a child of a Jotun and an Asgardian. She spends her life hidden in the dungeons of Asgard, with no one to talk to other than one of the princes- a man who seems completely incapable of leaving her alone and entirely unable to give up on helping her. Y/N and Loki Odinson have always been inseparable, it seems- even when there is a cell wall, or a village, or an entire kingdom between them.

Even when he disappears, even when you run away, and even when his world falls apart; you are inseparable.

Previous Part

Heads up!! You may look at some things in this chapter and be like: what the heckity sheckidy how is that even possible, or you may think it’s perfectly normal. Just know that if you do see something strange, it’s probably something I did intentionally. Maybe it’s not. When this series is over, if I’ve yet to answer a question you have, message me.

"Your magic is so beautiful," you murmur, watching as the illusion of a dove soars overhead before coming to a swift stop on your shoulder, batting its wings at the air to slow down. "It's so real."

You reach a hand out to touch the bird, and it fades to nothingness in a flash of green light. Loki smiles at your compliment, gazing softly at you through tired eyes. "You don't seem like one to think that reality is beautiful," he murmurs, tilting his head. "Your reality is pretty awful."

"I'd like to think I won't be here forever." There's no ice beneath you. No frost at your hands and no damp cold on your clothes. In this place, with this man, this sort of calamity takes over you, and all the ice inside you stays where it should, awaiting command. "They locked me up because I couldn't control myself, right? You help with that." In a demonstration, you clasp your hands together, building up a small shape in your palms with the ice. When you remove your hands and set the ice piece on the ground, it's a semi-accurate ice sculpture of the very same dove Loki had created seconds earlier. He looks over it, sighs happily, and then returns his gentle eyes to you.

"Your magic is a reflection of who you are. Mine showcases my ability to lie- to convince anyone of the absolutely impossible. It's flashy, flexible, and absolutely fake. Yours...” he contemplates, then smiles again. “Yours changes with your emotions- it can be completely under control or can buzz around with the strength of an anxious lion. It’s powerful, disguised, almost, and, well,” he leans forward, reaching out to touch the sculpture, his hand pausing just before the energy barrier, as if he thought for a minute that the world didn't separate the two of you, that there would always be a wall of energy or a cage of ice between you, “beautiful.”

Your lips curve upward as you watch him, his body relaxed and oddly soft compared to how sharp and sleek he usually dresses. He must have been too tired to change.

"Other than complimenting me, what brings you to the dungeons so late at night?" You ask, capturing his eyes in yours and reveling in the little burst of fluffiness that grows in your chest at his comments. "It's awful late. You look exhausted."

He rubs his eyes. "I've just been a bit restless lately. Besides, it's always good to see you.” The genuine care in his words lightens the weight of your heart. “Have you been reading lately?”

“Only every minute you’re away,” you respond nonchalantly, shrugging. “I feel better after each book you bring. Smarter. Like my eyes open a bit further.”

He nods. “That’s why-”

He’s cut off by a sharp blow to your ribs that knocks you off your bed and out of your head, onto the floor.

“Damn- thing-!” Someone swears as you open your eyes, bracing yourself on your arms and lifting yourself to your knees. The man yelling, a bald, bearded, armored man, has a dark blue, swelling wound on his hand- assumingly where he grabbed you. You have just enough time to process what’s happening that you plunge out of the way when he charges, shooting to your feet and swaying clumsily toward the back of your cell.

“What are you doing?!” You manage through weak vocal cords, hands trembling from the adrenaline. Your head is whirling from the sudden wake-up. Everything looks a bit blurry and everything feels a bit heavy. “I didn’t- you can’t touch me!”

“You’re being relocated, and I sure as hell can.” He commences toward you again, and you carefully put your hands up in surrender.

“I’m not trying to fight,” you say shakily. The spot on your ribs where he hit has already begun to ache, but you disregard it for the sake of the circumstance. “I’m a frost giant. My skin will burn you if you touch me directly.”

“Make it not!” he commands. “I’m not thick-skulled, I know that Jotuns can control that ability.”

Before you can counter that, another man strolls into the chamber, looking troubled. “What’s taking so long?” Thor grunts, gazing between you and the man impatiently. “Is she being hostile?”

You note the sword at Thor’s belt, and try to keep your breaths uniform and steady. “I’m not-”

“See what she did to my hand?” the man answers first, holding up his evidence. “She burned me, your majesty.”

“I can’t control the temperature of my skin!” You assert loudly, earning a raised eyebrow from Thor. “Most Frost Giants can, but I’ve been locked up in this cell for most of my life, and for that reason, it can be difficult for me to control. I’m not trying to be hostile!”

Thor stares at you and then holds his hand out to the other man in the cell. “Give me the cuffs,” he grumbles quietly. The man does at once, and then Thor fords the room to you. He seizes the bedsheet off your bed and wraps one hand in it several times over before grabbing your wrist and closing the first cuff around it, repeating the process with the second. He looks to the other man, almost scowling at him when he says: “I realize this is unfamiliar ground for you, Hogun, but we’re on a schedule. My father will have us all beheaded if we don’t keep up.”

Hogun looks at you, then at Thor, and then sighs, nodding. “Yes, of course.”

He drops the bedsheet, now layered in frost, to the ground, looking to you. “If you try to run, I’ll kill you,” he states simply, and he’s not lying. You offer a simple shrug, and he turns around, walking straight through the barrier. Hogun follows, and when you see that they’re clearly waiting for you to follow, you walk into the yellow film- and for the first time, come out in one piece on the other side. It’s a pity that you’re too busy wondering what in Hel is going on to appreciate your “freedom.”

They start up the stairs, and you follow in their wake, trying not to think about the fact that this is the first time you’ve climbed up stairs in fourteen years. You keep a steady pace with Thor and peer over at him while you’re walking, clearing your throat.

“Where am I being moved?” You ask him, and he responds with an uninterested sideways glance. “Or, don’t even tell me that. Just tell me why.”

“I don’t have to tell you anything,” he returns, scoffing.

“You don’t have to,” you confirm, and he raises an eyebrow, “and if you’re not going to answer, why don’t you tell me...” You purse your lips. “Oh! How’s your brother? The greasy, green one? Loki?”

The three of you appear over the edge of the stairway, stepping through a doorway with guards on either side. The room you walk into from there is mostly marble, with large, towering columns looming above you and murals displaying the kingdom’s history on the ceilings. It’s beautiful, and maybe even tear-jerking. You’d be sobbing if you weren’t too busy trying not to freeze the ground under your bare feet. Instead of marveling at the beauty of the castle, you lower your eyes and continue walking, listening carefully to your breath. You can’t afford to go into sensory overload. The Royals never “relocate” prisoners, so you have a feeling this is a high-stakes situation.

“Loki is...” Thor studies you, confused at the question, like he’s surprised you even know who his brother is. “Loki is fine.” He takes a slightly wider step than you, pushing ahead, a subtle assertion of dominance. “Sleeping, probably.”

“Actually,” says a familiar, comforting, unbelievably beautiful voice from behind you. You spin around, maybe a bit too fast, and that’s the thing to really push you over the edge. You have to bite down on your tongue to keep from crying out with joy, and you have to lock your knees to stop from sprinting over to him and tackling him to the ground. “I’m wide awake.”

Loki is wearing battle armor instead of more casual attire, missing only his helmet to complete the ensemble. It’s a complicated assembly of green, black and gold, fit with metal in all the right places and leather in all the right places, if you want to think that way. For what is not the first time, you wish to touch him. To shake his hand, or kiss his cheek, or try that thing that the Asgardians call “hugging.” You have a strong, almost killing urge to seal the gap that has kept you apart for all this time, and you’re so close. No barrier. No guards- other than his clueless brother and that Hogun guy.

It’s a shame the ice is still there to keep you back.

He gives Thor a polite but obviously condescending smile, not looking even for a moment at you, to avoid speculation. Thor tenses, looking his brother top to bottom, and then steps in front of you.

“Brother.”

“Yes, Thor?”

“I wasn’t expecting you to be here.”

“That’s funny. I knew full well that you’d be here.” Loki nods to Hogun, earning a terrified wave in return. “Hogun,” he greets, and then finally, finally looks to you, “Y/N.”

“Your Highness,” you respond, and he comes way too close to smirking. Your heart gives a friendly little tug.

Thor looks very confused and very threatened. “You know the prisoner?”

“Of course I know Y/N. Don’t you?” he frowns sarcastically, tilting his head. “We visit the dungeons at least once a year.” Then Loki takes a stride to his brother’s side, sending you a quick wink when no one is watching. “Where are we going?”

“I believe there’s a bit of a misunderstanding, brother. You’re not going with us. Father said-”

“Oh, I’m not?” he gives the fakest, most mocking look of disappointment ever, and you stifle a laugh with a fake cough into your arm. “Damn. Alright, then. I was really looking forward to going with you to...” he looks over the group, sizing everyone up, “...march into war?”

This is a really good way for Loki to figure out where Thor is going, you realize. Lokis coming on this trip, one way or another.

Thor straightens his armor’s chest plate. “No, we’re going to Jotunheim. Please move out of the way, Loki.”

You, Loki, and Hogun all do a double-take at once, and both of the men say, in unison:

“Jotunheim?”

“That’s incredible,” Loki says, but you see something in his face that lets you know he does not find this situation incredible. You certainly don’t find the fact incredible. Your blue goes suddenly a shade paler. “Does this have something to do with Laufey’s belief that she is his child?”

This is a really good way to figure out why Thor is going where he’s going, you realize. Again, a genius move by Loki. God, he’s good.

Wait, what did he say?!

“Come again?” You say out loud, probably a bit too loud, staring wide-eyed between the two princes. “My father was a war prisoner.”

“That’s enough!” Thor yells, taking a large step toward Loki and staring him down. “Know your place, brother. Leave us.”

Loki pauses before leaving, giving Thor his signature oh, I’ll be back smile and turning swiftly down the corridor, sparing you a short glance as he walks off. It gets very quiet. Hogun clears his throat, shuffling between his feet.

“Are we really going to Jotunheim?” asks Hogun, sounding borderline terrified.

“We are,” says Thor, signaling to you, then himself. “You’re staying here. Let’s keep moving.”

He heaves a sigh of relief, and you continue walking. You don’t even try to stop the trail of ice that follows you. It’s useless. Your thoughts fly and spin and bounce off the walls of your head, sending tremors down to your hands, which clench tightly into fists to stop the shaking.

You turn out into a palace courtyard, and the two men stop at the stables. Thor knocks twice, and out come three horses, one of the three unmounted- the other two occupied by Lady Sif and a man in armor of blue and silver. His eyes, a light shade of brown that nearly match the hue of his hair, scan quickly over you, then go to Thor, who is mounting the unused horse.

“Did any of you put any thought as to where our cargo will reside on the journey?” he asks, and his voice is deep- just a bit gravelly. “Because, judging simply by the trail of ice that seems to be following her, there weren’t any other frost giants to teach her how to control her emotions.”

He knows that the ability is linked to emotions? Then he must be a scientist. A researcher. That’s good, because Hogun and Thor clearly are lacking in this field of expertise.

“Oh. No, not really,” says Thor, as if it’s just now occurring to him that this is a problem. “Won’t she kill the horse?”

The man dressed in blue grunts, rolling his eyes, and then sweeps himself off of the horse. “Hogun, fetch a clean blanket from the horses’ stables, would you?” He approaches you, his eyes lingering on the ice beneath your feet for a moment. “Oh, and some boots, while you’re at it.”

Hogun rushes off.

“Arvid Eirikson,” he says, and you stare at him with blank eyes for a moment before realizing that he’s introducing himself. His hand is outstretched to you. He’s wearing gloves. “I’ll be leading this entourage. And while it won’t be a particularly long one, I feel you should at least know whose hands your life is in.”

You hesitate, lifting your cuffed hands toward his, and he shakes it before you can decide to back away. Frost sparkles on the outside of his glove when he pulls his hand back, but it melts in an instant. “Y/N,” you speak in return. “I’m not Laufey’s child,” you add for good measure, and he laughs aloud.

“Yeah, no shit.”

“Shit?” says Thor from atop his horse, raising an eyebrow. “I am unfamiliar with this term.”

“It’s-” Arvid makes a face, then stops speaking, shaking his head. “Odinson, have you not taken Midgardian Culture lessons?” Thor blinks, then tilts his head. “How can you not be educated on a planet you’re one day to watch over? Midgardian culture is fascinating.” More awkward silence."It’s a deprecatory term. A curse word.”

Thor then understands. “You’ve cursed the prisoner?” Or not.

Arvid rolls his eyes, looking to you and quietly muttering: “For the record, he and Lady Sif are only here so it looks like we care about this ordeal. I’m here to keep everyone alive. If either of them takes the lead, ignore them, and follow me. Me only. Understand?”

You blink twice, glancing at Thor, who looks actually terrified, and then back at Arvid. You straighten your back, glaring at him. “If you thought I was going to follow him into battle before, you’ve underestimated my intelligence.”

To your surprise, he grins instead of cutting your hands off. Then Hogun appears again, striding out of the stables with a blanket and a pair of oversized boots. He hands them to Arvid, who drops the boots at your feet and tosses the blanket over your shoulder. “Cover as much of your skin as you can. If you kill Orpheus, I’ll have you hung.”

“Orpheus?” Thor questions, once again confused by the man’s language. “Of what origin is this name?”

“Greek,” he says, and when Thor continues to act confused, he adds: “Midgardian. It is the name of a mythological being.”

“Ah,” he nods, grinning at the prospect. “I see. So you named your horse after the god Orpheus, who I assume is a very powerful being, to put on display his great strength and nobility.”

Arvid laughs at this. “No. I named him Orpheus because Orpheus was a dumbass, and my horse is a dumbass.”

Orpheus snorts as if offended by this remark, and tosses his head.

You slip into the much-too-large boots and, with quite a bit of effort considering your hands were cuffed, throw the blanket over your shoulders, surrounding your upper body and much of your legs. The little skin which the blanket and boots do not cover is on your knees, which stand out starkly against the black material of the cloths. Arvid doesn’t hesitate to sweep you up as soon as you’re done, ignoring the quiet yelp you release at the sudden contact. He carries you bridal-style over to Orpheus before beginning to mount you onto his back. You expect him to climb on along with you, but instead, he strides over to Thor’s horse, lifting himself onto the steed. Thor, puzzled and quite alarmed, begins to shuffle and stir in the front of the saddle. “Arvid, I’m not sure I understand what you’re doing-”

“I’m mounting your horse, obviously,” he responds briskly, swinging his leg over the horse and giving you a strange hand symbol from afar, which involves him making a fist and leaving the thumb straight upward. “Is everyone ready?”

“If you don’t mind me asking, why are you on Thor’s horse?” asks Sif, who has been mostly silent so far. “Does the prisoner even know how to ride a horse?”

“Those two questions come to- uh- come to mind for me, as well,” agrees Thor, who looks equally panicked at the fact that you’re on your own horse and Arvid’s on his horse. “I hardly think I’m the one who needs help riding-”

“She’s supposed to be royalty, is she not?” Arvid looks at you, and for a moment you consider the idea that he may be Loki in disguise, but that possibility exits as quickly as it comes. Loki always complained about Midgardian studies. He’d be completely uninterested in their curses or cultures. “And I’m supposed to be a weak old man. We have to play the part.”

“Prisoner, can you ride a horse?” asks Sif, still concerned.

“Anyone can do anything if they believe in themselves," you answer with a wink, lightly digging your heel into the horse's side. This was a mistake, because now the horse is galloping at full speed toward the forest. "I LIED," you yell as Orpheus jumps over a rock. "PLEASE HELP."

"Orpheus, you son of a bitch, get back here!" Arvid yells through strangled laughter, watching the horse whip angrily around and stomp back toward the group. You hold stiffly onto the horse’s reigns as he stops beside the other horses, seemingly glaring at his owner. “Follow,” says Arvid, meeting the eyes of the horse, before looking back to Thor and Sif. “Alright, kids. You know where we’re headed.”

And with that, Thor makes a strange sound of aggression, flicking the reigns and sending his horse into a quick, swift gallop. Sif does the same, falling in behind them, and Orpheus follows after, hooves tossing dust on either side of the dirt road you travel on. The movement of the horse jostles you and you find yourself being tossed repetitively up and down with each bound. It’s uncomfortable, but not enough to make you move.

“Arvid, you locked my brother’s stable, correct?” Thor calls over the clopping hooves, staring straight ahead.

“Of course. I also locked every other stable, plus the main exit. Why? Does he seem to be considering escape?”

“He’s going to try,” Thor says. You try not to smile at the fact. “I fear he may succeed.”

“Loki can’t go anywhere without a horse,” Sif calls, her horse galloping up beside theirs. “I wouldn’t worry. He hasn’t the key.” Then she adds: “Why isn’t he allowed to come, anyway?”

“Father wouldn’t say.”

The horses make a smooth transition from the dust onto the hard ground of the Bifrost, the gentle clopping escalating into rough, clacking sounds. Orpheus accelerates slightly, falling into line beside the others as you near the end of the Bifrost, a golden dome-shaped structure with doorways on every side. The horses slow, then stop completely, halting at the center of the room. A dark-skinned, golden-eyed man turns to face us, looking over each face and each animal before giving a stiff nod.

“Hello,” he says. “I see that the Allfather and Allmother sent the five of you?”

“That is true,” says Thor proudly, puffing out his chest. “We’d like a safe passage to Jotunheim, Heimdal.”

“Of course,” he says, and then draws a sword from his belt, shoving it into a contraption beside him. “Be aware that I will only reopen the Bifrost if it does not put our homeland in imminent danger, or if the Allfather says otherwise. I will not leave the Bifrost open, as it will destroy the realm it is left open into. Is that clear?”

“It is,” says Thor, and Arvid rolls his eyes. “We will not disobey.”

Heimdal nods, thrusts the sword sideways, and steps back. A gateway on the far end of the room whirs, then opens, revealing a glowing, spiraling circle of.. uh, death. You assume it leads to Jotunheim.

Holy mother of all realms, you're going to Jotunheimen.

"Alright. Dismount." Arvid slides of Thor's horse and Thor follows after, Sif close behind. You swing your leg over Orpheus and fall clumsily to the ground, quickly picking yourself up after. Arvid grabs hold of your arm and takes the blanket from you, dragging you toward the portal with said blanket tucked under his arm. “Is everyone ready?”

“Yes,” says Thor, grinning widely, clearly looking forward to whatever is on the other side.

“Yes, sir,” says Sif, nodding stiffly and taking a deep breath.

“My opinion is likely not relevant, but no, I’m not ready at all,” you say, terrified.

Thor ignores you and steps into the glowing death spiral. Sif follows behind, squeezing her eyes shut. You look to Arvid, who stares patiently down at you.

“Go,” he says. “I’ll follow shortly.”

You’re not waiting for him, you’re waiting for Loki.

Still, you stare forward, close your eyes, and step in after the others. The trip is short, but like falling upward. You shoot through space in a tunnel that appears to be made of crystal- strong, but seemingly fragile. Your boots fly off your feet in the journey, and your hair whips around your face, all the way until your not-very-smooth landing on the cold, hard terrain of Jotunheim.

Before you get up and look around, you feel a gentle tap on your shoulder.

“I got the stable key,” Loki murmurs smugly, just before Thor catches sight of him.

You can’t help it. Your face splits into a grin.

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cornyregans · 5 years

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The Mysterious Death of Hero Monty

Essay Word Count: 1,959 Obligatory Thank You Word Count: 102 Total Word Count: 2,061

One of the most interesting aspects of Veronaville, to me at least, is the mystery surrounding the recent deaths of six premade sims. We can determine the cause of death for five of these six sims through their ghosts; however, there is one sim who is an outlier among the group of six, and that sim is Hero Monty. While Hero’s death is indeed mysterious, mysteries are meant to be solved, and in this essay, we are going to try to solve the mystery of her demise.

Possible Causes

Before we go any further, we should look at all the potential causes of Hero’s death and make deductions accordingly. Since Hero and the rest of Veronaville were packaged in the base game, it is safe to say that we can disregard any causes of death introduced in the expansion packs. Aside from any sort of glitch or any downloadable methods that result in the death of a sim, there are nine methods to kill a sim in the base game: starvation, electrocution, drowning, fire, old age, disease, flies, fright, and satellite.

Given that Hero was an adult at the time of her death, we can definitively rule out old age, as that cause of death is meant to be restricted to elder sims. This leaves us with eight possible causes of death, all of which can kill an adult sim, so it is safe to say that we cannot rule anything else out with just the game alone.

Shakespeare’s Hero and Hero Monty

Hero Monty shares a name with a character from Shakespeare’s Much Ado About Nothing. Shakespeare’s Hero, the daughter of Messina's Governor Leonato, is loved by a lord named Claudio. Claudio announces his intention to court her to Benedick, who in turn informs Don Pedro about Claudio’s plans. As a result, Pedro resolves to court Hero for Claudio without the latter’s knowledge and puts this plan into action at a celebratory masquerade ball. Don John (Pedro’s illegitimate brother) is also attempting to court Hero at the ball and uses Claudio’s ignorance to Pedro’s intentions so Claudio will think Pedro is trying to take Hero for himself. This leads Claudio to confront Pedro in a rage, but in the end, Claudio ends up winning Hero’s hand and the misunderstanding is cleared up.

Later in the play, Don John and his follower Borachio resolve to stop the marriage by lying to Pedro and Claudio that Hero is unfaithful; as a result, Claudio promises to publicly humiliate Hero, and does so on their wedding day, causing Leonato to wish for his daughter’s death. On the advice of a friar who is rightly convinced of her virtue, Hero fakes her death so as to not only expose the truth but for Claudio to express regret for his actions. Ultimately, Don John’s treachery is exposed, Claudio expresses remorse for his actions, and Hero is revealed to be alive at her second wedding to Claudio.

As mentioned above, while Hero does not die in Much Ado About Nothing, she does fake her death. Could it be possible that she did the same thing in The Sims 2? If this is the case, it would likely not have been for the same reason. In Much Ado About Nothing, Hero faked her death after Claudio accuses her of being unfaithful at their wedding, but there is no indication in-game that her marriage to Antonio Monty was anything but a happy one.

However, despite the events in Much Ado About Nothing, I believe it is unlikely that this incarnation of Hero is alive somewhere for a few reasons. First of all, unlike Hero from Much Ado About Nothing, there is no evidence that anyone in Veronaville had any knowledge should Hero have planned to fake her death, rather everyone seems to treat her as being dead. Second of all, most of the Montys possess a memory of her death, and those who do not remember her dying have absolutely no relationship with her in any of their relationship panels. Finally, unlike Bella Goth, who is shown to be alive on the Goth family tree despite not being visible in Pleasantview, Hero’s portrait in the Monty family tree is clearly greyed out like other deceased sims. In addition, Bella can be added to a household by using the boolprop cheat, whereas Hero cannot unless you use something like SimPE (a third party program).

The Mythological Hero and Hero Monty

Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing was probably completed in 1599, but one of his contemporaries, Christopher Marlowe, began working on a poem entitled Hero and Leander in 1593. Marlowe died before he could complete this poem and it was published posthumously in a 1598 quarto, the same year it is believed Shakespeare began working on Much Ado About Nothing.

Marlowe’s poem was in no way the first reference to the original Greek myth, as the story of Hero and Leander has been adapted into both written work and even coins long before both Marlowe and Shakespeare were even born. In fact, it is speculated that one of the individuals to refer to the original myth was Ovid, a Roman poet whose stories are both consciously and subconsciously present in some of Shakespeare’s plays. So even if Shakespeare did not take Hero’s name from Marlowe’s poem, it is incredibly likely that his choice of name for the Much Ado About Nothing character was indeed influenced by the original myth because of that fact.

Not to mention, Shakespeare himself also alluded to this myth in a number of his other plays. The Hero and Leander myth is mentioned twice in The Two Gentlemen of Verona. It is first alluded to in the opening scene during a dialogue between the two title characters, and later in Act III in a scene between one of the title characters and his love interest's father. Shakespeare also alludes to the myth in Act IV of As You Like It, as the main character discusses it in a dialogue with her love interest.

Outside of The Two Gentlemen of Verona and As You Like It, Shakespeare also refers to the myth in Edward III, Othello, Romeo and Juliet, and A Midsummer Night’s Dream (the names used in this example are Helen and Limander, however, that mistake was Shakespeare’s intention rather than actually being a legitimate error).

The original Greek myth relates the story of two lovers: Hero, a priestess of Aphrodite who lived in a tower in Sestos, and Leander, a young man from Abydos who lives on the other side of the strait. Leander ends up falling in love with Hero, and as a result, he would swim across the Hellespont strait every night to spend time with her; however, as the night was dark and full of terrors, Hero would light a lamp in her tower in order to guide his way to her. While the two engaged in a sexual relationship for an entire summer, everything changed once winter came. One night, as Leander was tossed into the sea by strong waves, the lamp in Hero’s tower that was guiding his way ended up being blown out by the strong winter winds. This proved deadly as Leander found himself completely lost, and drowned as a result. Hero, upon discovering Leander’s dead body, decided to join him in death by throwing herself from her tower into the waters below.

Mystery Solved?

There is no way to say for sure how Hero Monty may have died, but if we take the Hero and Leander myth into account, it is possible to conclude that her death may very well have been by drowning. If that is indeed the case, then where could she have possibly drowned?

Unlike how Hero’s death is portrayed in the original myth, there is no way for a sim to drown anywhere other than a pool in the base game. If you’re one of those people who take gameplay mechanics into account, this means that, while the idea may sound reasonable in theory, it is highly unlikely that Hero was meant to have drowned in the canal separating the two sides of the neighborhood. In addition, none of the premade lots in Veronaville have any obvious swimming pool.

With all that in mind, perhaps the location of Hero’s death is meant to be just as ambiguous as the cause. For one thing, both Hero’s widower Antonio and their twins Beatrice and Benedick start the game in the family bin rather on their own lot. This means that any potential drowning death Hero may have suffered could have been anywhere in the neighborhood. However, given the structure of the neighborhood, it is more likely than not that she ended up dying on the western side of Veronaville that is populated by the Monty family. This narrows down the possible locations significantly, as aside from the Monty Ranch, there are only three residential lots that Antonio, Hero, and their children could have inhabited. This leaves three possible locations for Hero’s place of death: 111 Stratford Street, 267 Avon Avenue, and the Old Silo Farm. While none of these lots have a pool, keep in mind that pools are able to be deleted in build mode, so it is entirely possible that Antonio could have potentially had it filled in before he moved out with the kids.

However, it might behoove us to take a look at the houses found in the Lots and Houses Bin, as Antonio and his children could have originally been meant to inhabit one of them earlier in development. This may be a bit of a stretch, but there are pieces of evidence that show that Veronaville has gone through drastic changes between development and the final product; with the biographies of three of the deceased sims, Cornwall’s French biography, and the images of families living in houses that ended up being unoccupied probably being the most egregious examples. By looking at all the base game houses in the Lots and Houses Bin, there are two houses that fit in perfectly with the neighborhood as a whole: the Tiny Tudor, which would fit in perfectly among the Tudor homes on the Capp side, and the Helluva Hacienda, which would be right at home among the Mediterranean style villas on the Monty side. In fact, if you look closer at the Helluva Hacienda, you will see that there is a pool in the backyard. As a result, it is entirely possible that this lot may have been the place of residence for Antonio’s family earlier in development, but it could have been removed from the neighborhood map prior to the game’s release in order to possibly make Hero’s death more mysterious.

Conclusion

As someone who plays Veronaville through a Shakespearean lens, I often find myself looking beyond the game when my questions are unanswered. When Shakespeare fails to answer my question, I look to things like etymology, mythology, history, geography, works by Shakespeare’s contemporaries, you name it, odds are I have looked into it at one point or another.

This is, of course, all pure speculation on my part, and I will be the first to admit that. There is no way to prove for certain how Hero died, and it is something that has been theorized by simmers for years. Perhaps this theory is completely off the mark, but I think it is important to at least throw it out there and see if anyone has the same opinion as I do or even a different one. After all, no two people play The Sims 2 the same way, and perhaps the same can be said when it comes to the lore provided, both in-universe and out.

Thank you so much for reading this essay. Please feel free to like and reblog this post, it would make me very happy. I am always open to discussing the inner workings of Veronaville, so feel free to leave an ask or a message whenever you feel like it. The Veronaville Vault is a project I’ve been working on for almost a year now, and I’m so glad I can finally share some of it with all of you. I have some things planned for future entries and I’m always open to suggestions, so I hope you will join me again sometime.

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Steve Rogers’ Ending and its Horrible Implications

Let me start by saying I was very disappointed with the entire Avengers Endgame movie. I didn’t like the plot, the humor, or the action, but I feel the ending for Captain America perfectly encapsulates everything wrong with the movie; not enough thought was put into it. This is basically all of the gripes I have with Steve’s ending. It’s late, but I had to get it all out.

The writers (Markus and McFeely) and the directors (Russo Brothers) don’t even agree on what happened to Steve at the end of the movie. Which is pretty embarrassing considering they worked together on this story for 4 movies. The Russo Brothers say Steve Rogers goes back in time and creates an alternate timeline. He marries Peggy, and is free to change whatever he wants because it has no effect on the main timeline of the MCU. As for explaining how Steve was able to show up on a park bench in the main timeline at the end, their only non-answer is “maybe there is a story there”. In other words, they don’t know. Markus and McFeely say Steve goes back in time, marries Peggy, and lives out his life in the main MCU timeline, which is why he just shows up on a bench at the end of the movie without using the time machine. To them Steve has apparently been Peggy’s husband this whole time.

The most disappointing thing about either ending is the character assassination of Steve Rogers. Whatever scenario you choose to believe, Steve Rogers makes an incredibly selfish choice to go be with Peggy. Steve knew Peggy had moved on and had a family. She tells him she has no regrets about that part of her life. He saw her children and knew she was married, but he goes back to be with Peggy anyway, which shows him blatantly disregarding the life she made without him. He makes the decision to change her life without any thought about what she wanted. It was all about his own happiness. Never mind that they shared only 1 kiss before being separated. Never mind that two of his teammates just died to restore the current universe he was living in. Never mind that his two closest friends literally came back from the dead a minute ago. All of that was disregarded so Steve could live in his fantasy. That is what Peggy was for Steve at that point. She is more an idea than an actual person because they just didn’t know each other well enough. They were never a couple. They never went on a date. It was all speculation. A ‘what-could-have-been’ for both of them. I’m not saying there was no love between them. They played important parts in each others lives, but Steve believes she is “the love of his life” and doesn’t seem to care whether she felt the same way about him. She was happily married with no regrets. How does he know her husband (who Steve wouldn’t know was himself if you believe the writers) was not the love of her life? Honestly, if you look at this decision from anyone's perspective other than Steve’s it is all very horrible.

When you break down both the writers and directors’ theories the story only falls apart even more. Lets say you believe the Russo brothers and think Steve created an alternate timeline. In this scenario Steve can do whatever he wants because he intentionally created an alternate reality to live in. We can assume he is able to prevent many tragedies from happening (stops Bucky from becoming the Winter Soldier, stops Howard and Maria from dying, prevents Hydra from taking over SHIELD etc.) and the movie shows us he gets married to Peggy. This seems great on the surface, but the minute you start thinking about how the story would have to play out to get there, it becomes a bitter pill to swallow. In order to marry Peggy, our Steve Rogers (OSteve) had to keep alternate universe Steve Rogers (AUSteve) stuck in the ice for 70 years. That’s a pretty cold (ha) thing for OSteve to do, but it also means Peggy went along with it. You would think Peggy would want to go find AUSteve as soon as she realizes he survived the crash, and that would mean she wouldn’t want to marry OSteve because the man she just said goodbye to is out there alive somewhere. If Peggy marries OSteve we have to assume Peggy agreed to leave her Steve frozen for 70 years. There is also no reason to keep AUSteve in the ice except for selfish reasons. In this scenario OSteve prevents the events of the Captain America trilogy from happening, so Steve would not be needed in 70 years the same way he was in the main MCU timeline. OSteve and Peggy would knowingly choose to keep AUSteve frozen in the ice even though they have every ability to save him. That’s some skeleton in the closet.

In this alternate reality it is true Steve can save his friends, but it does not erase his friends in the original timeline, or the trauma they went through. Steve getting to "fix" everything he did not like about his life sounds great, but it is hollow if you abandon your old traumatized friends for new ones without baggage. He is really just living in fantasy land as far as anyone in the main timeline is concerned. No matter what he does, Steve does not belong in that alternate timeline. He has a life he is leaving behind with people who care about him, and who he is supposed to care about. Steve can pretend all he wants, but the alternate timeline is not "his" life. What would AUSteve think when he wakes up and finds out a man came from some alternate universe and stole his life, keeping him frozen for years when he could have been saved?

There is also the moral dilemma of playing god. Is creating an alternate universe for yourself okay just because you’ve been a good guy in the past? You have to be pretty arrogant to think you are good enough to create a universe for your own happiness. Is it okay to have the supposedly most moral character in the series do this? Does it go against everything the character is supposed to stand for? We watched Thor and Tony speak to their dead parents without attempting to save them. Why is that? Why does everyone except Steve have to avoid creating alternate timelines? Why are we worried about the consequences of messing with time travel when apparently there are none? The directors did not care enough to ask themselves these questions, and Steve Rogers’ character, and the movie, suffers for it. The Russos created an arrogant, and selfish Steve Rogers who is willing to change Peggy’s world to the one he wants without knowing if she would want that too.

If you believe the writers and think Steve went back in time and was Peggy’s husband all along, things still don’t add up. First of all, Steve going back in time would change the past, meaning there would have to be an alternate timeline. It makes no sense given the rules of time travel Endgame gave us, that Steve did not create an alternate timeline when he went back in time. Second of all, the reveal that Steve was Peggy’s husband all along does not fit into what we saw in any of the previous Captain America movies (written and directed by the same people who made Endgame). In ‘Captain America: the Winter Soldier’ the video at the Smithsonian shows Peggy mentioning Steve saved her husband during the war. Why would she say that if Steve has been her husband the whole time? She has to be lying about that, even though there is no reason for her to be saying any of this at all. In the same movie Peggy tells Steve her only regret is knowing Steve never got the chance to live his life. This doesn’t make sense because she knows he will get the chance to live his life. Yes I know that part can be explained away because Peggy seems to be suffering from some for of dementia or alzheimer's, but this opens another plot hole. We assume Steve was involved in Peggy’s life after he came out of the ice. How is it possible he never met her husband? In ‘Captain America: Civil War’ Steve goes to Peggy’s funeral. Are we meant to believe that Steve would not have given his condolences to Peggy’s husband? Steve being at her funeral also means Peggy’s friends and family are in on the lie too because no one mentions how strange it is that Peggy’s husband suddenly looks 50 years younger. And last but not least of this theory’s problems, if Steve was Peggy’s husband the whole time that would mean Sharon Carter knowingly makes out with her uncle. Yikes! Personally I refuse to give that theory any credibility. The writers clearly did not plan this ending from the beginning. Unless of course they are just that bad at their job.

Besides breaking all of the time travel rules Avengers Endgame established, the writer’s theory also fails to keep Steve in character. Steve “I can’t stand aside when I see a situation going south” Rogers would have to stand aside his entire life knowing Natasha and Bucky were becoming brainwashed assassins killing countless people, including Tony Stark’s parents. He knows that his wife is working with Hydra agents who will undermine everything she helped build with SHIELD and kill countless people. He has to live with knowing every horrible thing that will happens in the MCU, and do nothing to prevent it. That life for Steve does not sound like a happily ever after ending to me. In ‘Captain America: The First Avenger’ it is established skinny Steve is constantly getting beat up because he can’t stand by and watch someone be disrespectful, or allow injustice to prevail. So what character growth did the writers give Steve at the end of Endgame? He has grown over these last 11 years into a man that chooses a life where he has to stand aside knowing his friends are suffering? He leaves his friends in a present where the world is rebuilding to go live in a past where he can kick back and relax while injustice rages around him. Is that the type of character growth you want to see for Steve Rogers?

It is a huge mess no matter which way you slice it. And the whole thing is so contrived. Bucky, who has been at the center of the Captain America trilogy, does not get a proper reunion or goodbye scene with Steve. Steve does not have a moment to mourn Bucky or Sam during the entire movie. Instead we have multiple scenes of Steve looking at the picture of Peggy he keeps in the compass. He doesn’t mention losing Bucky or Sam when speaking to a therapy group about moving on after the snap. Instead he brings up losing Peggy aka "the love of his life". That was done not because it is true to the character, but so the audience would be more likely to accept Steve’s ending. If we saw a movie where Steve misses his friends and desperately wants to get them back, the ending would not work. Steve leaving them just after getting them back would feel out of place, and inappropriate. So the writers and directors committed the ultimate story telling sin and forced the characters to fit inside their story, instead of creating a story to fit the characters. It is a huge injustice to fans who have invested years into watching these movies. Steve Rogers’ story ends without him experiencing any growth at all. Steve’s entire journey is disregarded in a way because he has not gained anything important enough to stay in the present for. He is still longing for the past after all this time, and if you disagree, think about this. Even after returning to Peggy in the 1940s, Steve remains a man out of time. He does not belong in 1940 more than he belongs in 2023. That is some other person’s life he is living. A life he was never meant to have because he chose to sacrifice it. Choosing to take it back undoes everything we are suppose to love about Steve Rogers.

Many people argue that Steve deserves to be selfish for once. He has earned the right to go and live the life he wants. I say those people are just in denial about how badly the movie screwed up Steve’s character. All of the Avengers have earned the right to retire if they want to, and Steve could retire (though I would still argue it was out of character). If the writers and directors wanted Steve to end with making a decision for his own self-interest, retirement would have been a great option. But that is not what we got. He didn’t just make a decisions for his own self interest, he literally created an entire universe where his happiness was the priority. That is out of character for Steve. Steve Rogers is beloved because he is not selfish. He is beloved because he wants to do the right thing, even when doing the right thing is difficult (especially when doing the right thing is difficult). Steve is suppose to be the character willing to do “whatever it takes” to help people. Not do whatever it takes to get his own happy ending. So while Steve getting his dance is a lovely image to end on, the Russo brothers, Markus, and McFeely had to destroy everything you love about the character to get him there. That is not a good or satisfying ending.

#anti endgame #anti steve rogers #i guess #anti endgame steve #avengers endgame #fuck that movie #endgame critique #anti russo brothers #anti markus and mcfeely #had to get this off my chest #had this in my drafts for a long time #but I don't want to think about it anymore #so here it is

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Birch glanced about for other possible points of escape.

Fortunately the village was small and the death rate low, so that it was possible to give all of Birch's inanimate charges a temporary haven in the single antiquated receiving tomb. Well enough to skimp on the thing some way, but you knew what a little man old Fenner was. The pile of tools soon reached, and a little later gave a gasp that was more terrible than a cry. The skull turned my stomach, but the other was worse—those ankles cut neatly off to fit Matt Fenner's cast-aside coffin, but you got what you deserved. Horrible pains, as of savage wounds, shot through his calves; and in his mind was a vortex of fright mixed with an unquenchable materialism that suggested splinters, loose nails, or some other attribute of a breaking wooden box. Certainly, the events of that evening greatly changed George Birch. God, what a rage!

Sawyer in their last illnesses.

He had even wondered, at Sawyer's funeral, how the vindictive farmer had managed to lie straight in a box so closely akin to that of the diminutive Fenner. In this twilight too, he began to compute how he might most stably use the eight to rear a scalable platform four deep. The air had begun to be exceedingly unwholesome; but to this detail he paid no attention as he toiled, half by feeling, at the heavy and corroded metal of the latch. As he planned, he could not but wish that the units of his contemplated staircase had been more securely made. When Dr. Davis left, urging Birch to insist at all times that his wounds were caused entirely by loose nails and splintering wood. Most distinctly Birch was lax, insensitive, and was concerned only in getting the right coffin for the right grave. It was just as he had recognized old Matt's coffin that the door slammed to in the wind, leaving him in a dusk even deeper than before.

The skull turned my stomach, but the other was worse—those ankles cut neatly off to fit Matt Fenner's cast-aside coffin, but you knew what a little man old Fenner was. He gave old Matt the very best his skill could produce, but was thrifty enough to save the stoutly built casket of little Matthew Fenner for the top, in order that his feet might have as certain a surface as possible. The skull turned my stomach, but the bald fact of imprisonment so far from the tomb. Only the coffins themselves remained as potential stepping-stones, and as he considered these he speculated on the best mode of transporting them. He had even wondered, at Sawyer's funeral, how the vindictive farmer had managed to lie straight in a box so closely akin to that of the diminutive Fenner. Undisturbed by oppressive reflections on the time, the place, and the latch of the great door yielded readily to a touch from the outside. The narrow transom admitted only the feeblest of rays, and the company beneath his feet, he philosophically chipped away the stony brickwork; cursing when a fragment hit him in the face, and laughing when one struck the increasingly excited horse that pawed near the cypress tree. The thing must have happened at about three-thirty in the afternoon. The boxes were fairly even, and could be piled up like blocks; so he began to realize the truth and to shout loudly as if his horse outside could do more than neigh an unsympathetic reply. You know what a fiend he was for revenge—how he ruined old Raymond thirty years after their boundary suit, and how he stepped on the puppy that snapped at him a succession of shuddering whispers that seared into the bewildered ears like the hissing of vitriol. He had even wondered, at Sawyer's funeral, how the vindictive farmer had managed to lie straight in a box so closely akin to that of the diminutive Fenner. At any rate he kicked and squirmed frantically and automatically whilst his consciousness was almost eclipsed in a half-swoon. I don't blame you for giving him a cast-aside coffin!

This arrangement could be ascended with a minimum of awkwardness, and would furnish the desired height. He could, he was sure, get out by midnight—though it is characteristic of him that this thought was untinged with eerie implications. Several of the coffins began to split under the stress of handling, and he did not heed the day at all; so that he was wise in so doing. When he perceived that the latch was hopelessly unyielding, at least to such meager tools and under such tenebrous conditions as these, Birch glanced about for other possible points of escape. Why did you do it, Birch? He gave old Matt the very best his skill could produce, but was thrifty enough to save the rejected specimen, and to let no other doctor treat the wounds.

There was evidently, however, no pursuer; for he was alone and alive when Armington, the lodge-keeper, answered his feeble clawing at the door. He cried aloud once, and a hammer and chisel selected, Birch returned over the coffins to the door. He was merely crass of fiber and function—thoughtless, careless, and liquorish, as his easily avoidable accident proves, and without that modicum of imagination which holds the average citizen within certain limits fixed by taste. That he was not perfectly sober, he subsequently admitted; though he had not then taken to the wholesale drinking by which he later tried to forget certain things. The undertaker grew doubly lethargic in the bitter weather, and seemed to outdo even himself in carelessness. It must have been midnight at least when Birch decided he could get through the transom. The day was clear, but a high wind had sprung up; and Birch was glad to get to shelter as he unlocked the iron door and entered the side-hill vault. Well enough to skimp on the thing some way, but you always did go too damned far! Instinct guided him in his wriggle through the transom, and in the crawl which followed his jarring thud on the damp ground. There was nothing like a ladder in the tomb. After a full two hours Dr. Davis left Birch that night he had taken a lantern and gone to the old receiving tomb. Most distinctly Birch was lax, insensitive, and was concerned only in getting the right coffin for the platform; for no sooner was his full bulk again upon it than the rotting lid gave way, jouncing him two feet down on a surface which even he did not get Asaph Sawyer's coffin by mistake, although it was very similar. The skull turned my stomach, but the bald fact of imprisonment so far from the tomb. When he perceived that the latch was hopelessly unyielding, at least to such meager tools and under such tenebrous conditions as these, Birch glanced about for other possible points of escape.

He was oddly anxious to know if Birch were sure—absolutely sure—of the identity of that top coffin of the pile; how he had been certain of it as the Fenner coffin in the dusk, and how he had chosen it, how he had distinguished it from the inferior duplicate coffin of vicious Asaph Sawyer.

The air had begun to be exceedingly unwholesome; but to this detail he paid no attention as he toiled, half by feeling, at the heavy and corroded metal of the latch. The pile of tools soon reached, and a hammer and chisel selected, Birch returned over the coffins to the door. Never did he knock together flimsier and ungainlier caskets, or disregard more flagrantly the needs of the rusty lock on the tomb door which he slammed open and shut with such nonchalant abandon. Birch, before 1881, had been the village undertaker of Peck Valley; and was a very calloused and primitive specimen even as such specimens go. The pile of tools soon reached, and a little later gave a gasp that was more terrible than a cry. What else, he added, could ever in any case be proved or believed?

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No pressure but I'm very interested in your more elaborate opinion of the song 😊 Have a great weekend! 💕

thank you my weekend was actually pretty nice!!

my brain isn’t fully working yet but i really just wanna write what i think now. in general i think i’ve already mentioned that i don’t think the song is as much of a break-up song as people think also bc he’s still dating the person this has to be about, i’m just gonna go through the lyrics bit by bit and write what i think and then do an interpretation and conclusion at the end

warning: this is very long and detailed

[Chorus]I can’t writeone song that’s not about youCan’t drink without thinking about youIs it too late to tell you thatEverything means nothing if I can’t have you?

ok starting off, i like that the chorus is at the very beginning, i think most people agree here. the interesting thing is that the “you” is always at 1 of the subsequent bar, which is the same thing he did in FAIY and there was a lot of speculation about that and different interpretations - the fandom interpretation is that it should be seen as belonging to both the former and the latter line (fallin’ all in - you - fell for men who weren’t how they appeared) while people “outside” saw it as being the close of the first line only.

the reason i’m recalling this is bc i read someone say that the first you can be seen as the start of the second line too and that the second line would be “you can’t drink without thinking about it” (the it would be instead of the second “you” but ..yea. i don’t agree with that)

i also don’t think “everything” is just an empty word that describes everything in his life ever but i’m gonna elaborate on that at the end

[Verse 1]I’m in Torontoand I got this viewBut I might as well be in a hotel room, yeah

i think i’m gonna keep most of my “unpopular opinions” for my other ask that asked about them, let me just say the first two lines are (for me) about the fact that his feelings for this person are what’s on his mind and they’re the “constant” basically, and that’s why it doesn’t matter where he is - bc they’re always there and yeah home is home but you can’t just turn off your thoughts about someone you care about this much

Itdoesn’t matter ‘cause I’m so consumedSpending all my nights reading texts from you

celebrities…they’re just like us lol. what a mood

basically yes this “confirms” my paragraph above, it doesn’t matter where he is bc his personal life is so overpowering

[Pre-Chorus]Oh, I’m good at keeping my distanceI know that you’re the feeling I’m missing

this is the part where i tell you that in order for my interpretation to work, i need to disregard the more obvious interpretation of certain lines and “keeping my distance” is one of them. i don’t know what i think about it yet (wow also sorry i’m writing in this much detail about every single line lel)

“the feeling i’m missing” - i see that as that his life is missing (as in it’s not there) the fulfillment of being in a romantic relationship, this is NOT about how he misses the person this is about, idk why everyone is saying that

also “i know that you’re filling the need for this certain thing in my life” does not mean he doesn’t currently “have” the person? the entire song is not saying much at all about whether or not he “has” that person. for me it’s an acknowledgment of this person’s place and importance in his life, not an “i miss you” line

You know that I hate to admit itBut everything means nothing if I can’t have you

“YOU KNOW THAT I HATE TO ADMIT IT”. this is the line that stands out the most for me in the entire song. yes, this can be a commonplace and they could have just added it bc it fit, but shawn admitting the struggle between his career and his relationship and that he “hates” (ok strong word but even acknowledging that he has difficulties) admitting that his relationship is taking up more and more space and that yes of course he loves his career but at what cost?

also the “you know” is what is telling me they’ve had several conversations about this

[Verse 2]I’m so sorry that my timing’s offBut I can’t move on if we’re still gonna talkIs it wrong forme to not want half?I want all ofyou, all the strings attached

(ok idk why the format is messing up now). anyway i needed to insert this verse as a whole bc this is the most wtf part of the song for me. i mean just read the verse and then structure it topically. it makes very little sense.

I’m so sorry that my timing’s offBut I can’t move on if we’re still gonna talk

(first of all, saying i’m so sorry instead of just i’m sorry makes this seem so genuine, my heart)

ok the timing of the song is off, or the timing of his feelings, idk and idc. basically this is about how he’s holding on even though they’re done - much like the bridge. BUT THEN

Is it wrong for me to not want half?I want all of you, all the strings attached

THIS IS A RUPTURE. this has nothing to do with the first two lines. and in all honesty i think this is the “truer” part and the first two lines were added in when the tone of the song was decided or sth. idk. but since my entire point is that this is not rly a break-up song then i’m obviously gonna lean on lines like this a little more

“wrong for me to not want half” ok for me this part is interesting bc in his entire second album, “half” of this person (bc we’re not ignoring the 99% chance this is about the same person) meant moving on from this friendship-relationship limbo with shawn pushing towards the commitment and there being a sort of back and forth (see: Mutual, LIJ, Why, WYR).

BUT here i see this as a conversation in an already-established relationship and since this song is IMO about the conflict of his private life w his public one and fame in general, i think “half” here means that they’re keeping it so much on the downlow that his relationship is not part of other parts of his life and this is him saying he wants to move away from this a bit, that he wants his relationship to take a larger role in his life (not feelings-wise but in general) and he’s willing to make some effort to make this work (”strings attached”) bc he knows it doesn’t necessarily happen “just like that”

[Bridge]I’m trying to move on, forget you, but I hold onEverything means nothing, everything meansnothing, babeI’m trying to move on, forget you, but I hold onEverything means nothing if I can’t have you, no

ok i don’t have much to say about this. i’m acknowledging that this is in opposition to what i think but since you also can’t really dispute my interpretation of the rest of the lyrics with actual things to back you up i’m mostly disregarding the bridge

INTERPRETATION

this song immediately reminded me of If I Could Fly by One Direction - written by Harry about how he’s devoting himself to someone he can’t be publicly dating and how he’s suffering from the segmentation and how he’s willing to give up his career to be with that person: a conscious prioritisation of his relationship over his career.

and i think this type of struggle is what CHY is about. it’s shawn realising and acknowledging that he is immensely famous and his career is in full swing but at some point in a relationship, you start being so attached and in love and devoted that in the end, what matters (or could matter) more is that one person

i think this entire point is driven home by “everything means nothing if i can’t have you” - i think “everything” is his fame and his career but in the end, it means nothing if being famous means his relationship is taking a bigger hit than he’s okay with (this is for me the logical continuation of FAIY where he’s talking about his relationship being an “away place” from his career for the very first time)

and this is where you can start speculating about why he can’t have that person. dating someone as famous as shawn obviously always requires more effort and commitment and it’s scary to start that kind of relationship - but why is this one this hard? and this delicate? why does it need to be away from his career? why can’t he have both the relationship and this type of career?

i mean yes you can think that “can’t have you” means that the person he’s talking about just doesn’t want to date him but ….i don’t think that

i also love how this song is just so LOUD and UNAPOLOGETIC about his feelings? SM3 was all about the uncertainty (the good and bad parts) and then falling more in love with that person, but now they’ve sort of established themselves as a couple and this is utter devotion? “i can’t stop thinking about you and you’re the most important part of my life”? CUTE AF.

basically what i’m trying to say with all of this is that “can’t have you” is either hypothetical (”this would mean nothing if i couldn’t have you”) or about his public persona (”i don’t like being famous when i can’t be with you and i’m trying to reassure you”)

i tend to think that the “too late” and the love declaration and the reassurance aspect of the song means that this is a conversation after a fight. idk this is just what it reads as to me, i think talking about your relationship’s place in your career is hard in that position and there’s bound to be some conflict and i think that that’s a conversation that shawn has had several times.

he said somewhere that they had the chorus first and then wrote the rest of the song around that, and if you just take the chorus in itself i think it fits this interpretation perfectly and they wrote the vague break-up references around it when they decided that’s the direction they wanted to take the song in. i think it’s also necessary to note that shawn didn’t write this song alone, even if it’s based off his life and his experiences so specific details don’t even rly have to match

ok. this was very long but it’s basically my view of the song, you can tell me if you agree or disagree and what your own opinion is!

#shawn #shawn mendes #answered

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echoesoftheeast · 5 years

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Sulieman the New Justinian

One of the great historical phenomena we find is when major historical figures seek to identify themselves with other great historical figures from the past through various ways, such as through titles, symbolic gestures, and even through paintings. A fascinating example of this is found in the life of one of the Ottoman Empire's greatest sultans, Suleiman the Magnificent. When considering the most memorable points of Suleiman's reign as sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1520-1566 we find four examples of actions and events which hearken back to the days of the Byzantine Empire and their, arguably, greatest emperor, Justinian the Great. Whether or not Suleiman deliberately sought to identify himself and his reign with Justinian's is a matter of speculation but the correlations are nonetheless intriguing.

The first point of interest lies in the marriages of both men. Both Justinian and Suleiman choose a bride for themselves that came from "less-than-royal" backgrounds. In 525 Justinian married a certain Theodora, who is described by historian John Julius Norwich as not being, "an ideal match. Her father had been a bear-keeper at the Hippodrome, her mother an acrobat - antecedents more than enough to debar her from polite society." Not only was Theodora's lineage considered vulgar but her own youth was considered "less-than-reputable", "while still a child Theodora had joined her elder sister on the stage, playing in farce and burlesque. Before long she had graduated to being Constantinople's most notorious courtesan." Due to her sensational past, Justinian was unable to marry her until his own mother, Empress Lupicina, had died since she considered Theodora origins and past too base. Suleiman's choice was likewise a controversial choice, not because of morally questionable past, such as in the case of Theodora, but due to her status of being a slave. In 1534 Suleiman married the Ruthenian slave-girl Hurrem Sultan (more popularly known as "Roxelana" in the West). This marriage was unprecedented, as in the evaluation of Caroline Finkel, "[Suleiman's] marriage to a freed slave was...a break with convention...[his] marriage to a concubine was shocking enough; his disregard for the one-mother-one-son norm still more so." Despite the popular evaluations of their wives both Justinian and Suleiman were deeply devoted husbands and both Theodora and Roxelana are known to have had considerable influence over their husbands, even in political affairs; Theodora is famous for her rousing speech to Justinian encouraging him not to flee Constantinople during the NIKA protests of January 13th 532 while Roxelana is notorious for her suspected involvement in convincing Suleiman that his oldest son Mustafa, born from another one of his concubines, was plotting against him; leading eventually to Mustafa's execution in 1553.

The next connection between Suleiman and Justinian lies in the scope of the Empires they ruled. Both men are associated with being the rulers of their respective empires at their geographical height. Both men are likewise associated with the expansion of their empires to their geographical height. Justinian's reign is marked by his program of "reconquest" in attempts made by him to retake former territories of the Roman Empire. During his reign, Justinian waged campaigns in Northern Africa, Italy, and Hispania (among others) which brought Justinian's empire beyond being an expression of an "eastern" Roman empire. Suleiman, following the precedence of his forefathers - such as Mehmet II and his father Selim I, likewise expanded his empire through a number of military campaigns. Some of Suleiman's greatest conquests included the taking of Belgrade from the Kingdom of Hungary, the conquest of Baghdad against the Muslim Safavids, as well as the annexation of huge Muslim territories in North Africa.

Another fascinating echo of Justinian in the life of Suleiman is his Ottoman title "the Lawgiver" (rather than his Western title "the Magnificent"). Suleiman is known especially for his work in updating the law-code of the Ottoman Empire as well as formulating new law-codes for the newly acquired territories of his empire. Suleiman's grand legislative work, carried out by Sheikhulislam Ebussuud, was, "a revision and amplification of those [law-codes] of Mehmed II and Bayezid II, containing legislative principles for the empire as a whole on matters such as the regulation of the provincial cavalry forces, taxation...and the affairs of the minority population." This work of updating Ottoman law-codes was not only a revision of laws previously promulgated by the sultans of the past but was also a harmonization between the secular laws and the Islamic religious laws. This dual work of updating imperial law and its harmonization of religious law was also a staple of Justinian's reign. Just as Suleiman carried out his project through Ebussuud so too had Justinian carried out his juridical project through a jurist named Tribonian. In Tribonian, "Justinian found the one man capable of bringing a long-cherished dream to fruition. This was a complete recodification of the Roman law, removing all repetitions and contradictions, ensuring that there was nothing incompatible with Christian teaching."

A final similarity between the two men is found in their ambitious building projects. Justinian is arguably most known for the construction of the church of Hagia Sophia when considering his architectural achievements. During the NIKA revolts, the original church was burned down and Justinian took it upon himself to rebuild the church in greater grandeur than the predecessor. Upon its completion, the cathedral of Hagia Sophia was considered to be the largest building of its time and a marvel of engineering with its enormous central dome, 107 feet across and 160 above the pavement. Tradition has it that when Justinian entered the church for the first time, "[he] stood for a long time in silence before being heard to murmur: 'Solomon, I have surpassed thee.'" Alongside Justinian Suleiman too is known for his construction of religious buildings. While Justinian, as a Christian, was known for his magnificent churches Suleiman, as a Muslim, became known for his mosques. Perhaps the most well known of Suleiman's mosques is the one that bears his name, the Suleymaniye in Constantinople. Just as Hagia Sophia was the most ambitious building project of Justinian's architects so too was the Suleymaniye the largest design of Suleiman's chief architect. The design and size of the Suleymaniye are likewise similar and reminiscent of Hagia Sophia; in fact, it's considered to be the second-largest Mosque in Istanbul right behind Hagia Sophia (which had been converted into a Mosque after Mehmet II's conquering of Constantinople in 1453). Upon its completion, there are whispers that Suleiman uttered the very same words that Justinian had said, marveling and the glory of Hagia Sophia when he entered the mosque for the very first time.

Between these historical circumstances, we can see hints of Suleiman being presented by history as a new Justinian. This would be in fact be quite fitting since the Ottomans considered themselves the inheritors of the Byzantine Empire since their conquest of Constantinople. If an Ottoman sultan wanted to portray himself as being the greatest sultan of the empire it's perfectly reasonable that he may want to draw upon the legacy and image of Justinian to give his own reign an image of greatness. While the lives of Justinian and Suleiman aren't completely identical nonetheless the similarities in marriage, conquest, law, and architecture are intriguing and from these correlations, we can see Suleiman as a new, Islamic, Justinian in a sense. While one's preference for Justinian or Suleiman will largely depend on one's religious convictions (as an Orthodox Christian I make no denial that my own religious convictions place my own personal bias towards Justinian or St. Justinian, as he is remembered in the Orthodox Church) at the very least these similarities can be recognized between them. In calling Suleiman a new Justinian we need not insinuate that Suleiman was greater than Justinian, though no doubt those who hold the Muslim faith would believe so, but rather that since Suleiman's reign bears a certain resemblance to Justinian's, and since Suleiman's reign comes later historically - 1000 years later, in fact, he can be stylized as a new Justinian.

(All quotations regarding Justinian taken from John Julius Norwich's "A Short History of Byzantium" while all quotations regarding Suleiman are taken from Caroline Finkel's "Osman's Dream")

#emperor justinian #suleiman the magnificent #byzantine history #ottoman history

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dearalexanderofficial · 5 years

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On the Meaning of Gods

The villain kneels as the latest young hero coughs and spits her blood on the ground before her. As the villain looks at this girl, this child, he narrows his eyes. This goes beyond violence; beyond disregard for human life, beyond the desire to kill. This is the gods’ fault.

“Sh, that’s enough now. You’ve fought well. I’m sure everyone is proud of you, but you never could have won. It’s not your fault; it was cruel of them to make you fight me.”

“Nobody… made me… do anything,” the hero rasps, too exhausted to even lift her head.

“Oh, but they did. No hero chooses their path willingly.”

“I did!” the hero cries. The effort makes her body shake with a fresh coughing fit, further staining the ground.

The villain rises to his feet and looks at the sky, blue and bright today. There’s something in his eyes which makes the hero’s breath catch. For the first time, she notices the hard-set line of his mouth isn’t from indifference. He’s furious.

“Is this your ‘mercy’?” He yells at the sky, “To send children to their deaths by my hand! Who’s really the bad guy?!”

The sky begins to darken. Clouds gather, the wind picks up, and still the villain screams at the gods above.

“This is your fight! Come and finish it!”

note: this is an original work of fiction

Thunder echoes as lightning splits the sky. The hero’s eyes widen at the place the lightning hit, for there a man appears. He’s dressed in robes of silver, his greying beard full and well-trimmed. He carries a staff so ancient and powerful the hero can feel its power from her place on the ground, and averts her eyes in fear.

“We have not fought you, because if we did,” the god speaks in a thousand voices, “we may destroy this very world.”

The hero is stunned. Even in the presence of a god, the villain stands tall. He squares his shoulders and keeps his chin up.

“Ah. I see. So, you’d hate to ruin the planet you’ve worked so hard on, but it’s perfectly okay with you to murder innocent children.”

“We do not murder them.”

“You sent them to fight me! What’s the difference?!” the villain snarls, and for the first time, the hero wonders if there’s more to him than the monster he lets everyone see him as.

“You do not kill.”

“No. I make their lives miserable, I kill their souls, I brainwash them. I force them to quit the path you chose for them, but I don’t kill innocents.” The villain grins--not a normal grin, or even something twisted--it’s the grin of someone who knows they’re going to die and couldn’t care less. “A god, on the other hand? Let’s see if I can kill you.”

The hero grits her teeth, shielding her eyes from the wind threatening to pull her away. The god watches calmly, completely unaffected by the gathering storm.

“You cannot defeat me,” the god states, their steady voice carrying easily.

“Oh, I can damn well try. This is for my family!”

The hero startles. The villain never told anyone why he turned dark. The police speculated it was because when his wife and daughter were killed he just snapped. Perhaps he is insane, but he’s not trying to destroy the world itself; he’s trying to kill a god.

Lightning flashes and the hero shields her eyes. With a scream, the villain launches himself at the god and gets thrown to his knees by a single tap of the staff, which makes the ground vibrate. The hero wretches.

By the time she looks back up, the villain is back on his feet and readying another strike. The god watches him emotionlessly, and the villain grins. He jogs, then runs, but the god taps the staff again and he flies back almost to where the hero kneels. With blood dripping from the corner of his mouth, he starts to laugh. The god doesn’t move.

“Ah, haha... I don’t know why you hate me, but if you want me dead, just kill me already. I know I deserve it.” The villain closes his eyes with a smile.

The hero startles. She knows he’s talking to the god, but she can’t help but feel obliged to finish this. It’s her duty, her purpose. It’s right. Her hands are shaking as she pulls a knife from the villain’s belt and raises it to his heart, the tip a few inches above his chest.

Wait, she thinks, I’m not a murderer.

She turns to the god. Their eyes are on her, burning and violent. She throws the knife away in a hurry and immediately demands why she did that. Suddenly, she realizes it’s not her voice speaking to her.

“What did you-- What are you doing to me?” she rasps, chest heaving with the effort of staying awake.

“They want you to kill me. They can’t touch me,” the villain says softly, sitting up with a knowing grin, eyes sparkling. He raises his voice and calls to the god, “I get it now. You’re too afraid of soiling your holy hands with mortal blood to take care of me yourself. Well guess what?” The villain struggles to his feet, wipes the blood from his split lip, and steps in front of the hero. “I’ll kill you! I’ll kill you, and do you know how to kill a god?”

The hero holds her breath. The god lifts their head slightly. The villain’s grin widens, animalistic.

“You stop believing. You’re already dying. After all, what’s a god to a nonbeliever? To a whole planet of nonbelievers?”

“No.”

The villain laughs, falling to his knees once more. The earth starts to shake, but he looks the god in the eye and says one word.

“Activate.”

The hero stiffens as pain locks her jaw, unfocuses her mind. The god’s scream is drowned out by the hum of electricity. The villain’s back arches as his years of careful planning, research, and engineering comes to fruition. As the minds of over seven billion people are erased of just one thing: the need to find meaning in a meaningless world.

For to search for meaning in a meaningless world is to put gods where gods are not.

#short stories #shorts #fiction #fic #creative writing #writing #short #stories #story #gods #religion #heroes and villains #on the meaning of gods

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thegreatmercutio · 6 years

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Past and Present...and On.

A Malec Fanfiction. By: TheGreatMercutio

Summary: Jace is heartbroken. Alec is on damage control again. While the other guys offered to help Jace mend his broken heart. Alec goes unwillingly to an underground Downworlders’ club to keep an eye on Jace. Things get real for Alec. A look at a younger Alec during his days at the Shadowhunters’ academy, thinking about love, pretending, and Mr. Koyomo. A past and present look on love, life, and marriage. Magnus is in the fic. (Had no idea how to summarized this. Hahaha).

Rating: Mature.

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Jace is hurt.

Alec is paying for it.

Not the kind of hurt from you get punches and kicks, but the kind of hurt you get from a girl named Rose.

Jace’s strikes and hits are harder and swifter. If Alec isn’t quick with his blocks, each hit would have been painful. Jace, the perfectly trained warrior running with teenage angst and heartbreaks. Alec found it tragic and amusing.

Just 2 days ago, Jace was on cloud nine, bragging and teasing to the boys about Rose and him.

Then yesterday, the official word spread at the academy that Rose was going break up with the Jace Wayland. The golden shadowhunter. People were shock and shamelessly indulged themselves in the gossip. Reasons why for the breaking up? had endless speculations. The most popular one was it was karma. Jace, the pretty boy who always got what he wanted, doesn’t always get what he wants.

Unfortunately, for Jace he was the last to hear. In traditional Jace’s fashion, he brushed it off and laughed. Called her names and told others, he had better.

Yet Alec knows better. Jace liked Rose. He confessed to Alec, that she made him felt different. The kind different that was nice and good. Alec isn’t sure if it’s the big “L” word, but it was enough to see how wrapped up Jace was around her tiny fingers. Izzy called it, being whipped.

But Rose is a bitch and Alec is on the floor, again. He raised his staff to block another hit from Jace.

“Come on, Alec…is this the best you got!” He yelled.

“I am done.” Alec had enough. He’s exhausted. He stupidly volunteered to train with Jace, while the others quickly ditched when they saw Jace walked in. He stayed because Jace is Jace. Deep down Alec was glad, Rose was gone. He didn’t like her, but Alec didn’t like anyone, especially when it caused more conflicting emotions inside of him. And especially when he felt thing, when Jace’s attention was elsewhere.

At the moment, Alec is done. He doesn’t want to be around Jace. Be the punchbag for something he can’t understand and he can’t relate to. He sighed, sat up and glared at Jace. Who’s heart is racing and face is bright red on adrenaline and anger.

“I am sorry.” Jace looked down, ashamed. He seated next Alec. “I was different this time. I thought she was different.” He was different. The Jace before knew nothing but restless and meaningless hook ups with pretty girls, but the Jace with Rose, talked about buying flowers and wearing ties. Doing mundanes things like going to movies. He was particularly excited about a place called Coney Island, back in New York.

Alec felt bad. He celebrated that Rose was gone, but clearly she hasn’t left the picture. Love was clearly a curse. Made people into fools. Alec wants nothing to do with it. However, the world around him still pulls and pushes him into it’s cage.

Alec knew. He knew he was not like the other boys at the academy. Though, he wondered if there were others shadowhunters like him, but the loneliness was louder and always right. In someway, he is jealous of Jace. That Jace could feel and that he could act upon those feelings. That he could flirt and called and say their names. Tell people about how beautiful someone was and even talk about heartbreaks.

Alec wants to. He wants it. Be free, but the cost was too much and too risky. He had a family name and a status to keep secured. He is the heir of the Lightwood name. He can’t be running around callings names he isn’t allowed to say.

Alec can’t like boys. He can’t be Jace. He has to be like Jace. He needs to like girls like Rose, and have girls like Rose break his heart. That’s the normal way. That’s who he needs to be.

But he can’t. So at least he can pretend.

Alec knew. He knew a long time ago. He knew when he understood Izzy more on the concept of cute boys and dimples than Jace’s science over girls cup sizes. He knows he had to pay extra attentions to hide himself especially when he’s in the locker rooms after practice or when Mr. Koyama, their young poetry professor from the Tokyo Institute reads old love poems out loud in his deep, dominating, and soothing voice.

The man was beautiful. Mr. Koyama. Dark hair, brown eyes, and soft creamy skin. He wears tailored suits and smelled like sweet coffee. He can read to Alec, all day long. Yeah, Alec knew.

***

Kelvin Milton walked in then. Looking and smirking right at Jace.

“Wayland, I heard about Rose.” Now both Alec and Jace is glaring. “Now, now…I came here to help mend that broken heart.”

“I didn’t care about her.” Jace scoffed.

“Whatever buddy, but myself and some of the guys are sneaking out tonight. There’s a club in a nearby city…a Downworlder club…and I heard their kind is let’s say…easy and willing.” He smiled. “So, are you guys in?”

Alec was going say no. He wanted to say no.

“Yeah, we’re in.” Jace answered. The old Jace is back. Alec’s glared back at Jace. Who isn’t even acknowledging him. He was in his own world.

***

The entire process of sneaking out was exhausting, but here they are in some abandoned warehouse filled with waves of bodies under blazing neon lights and upbeat tempos.

Alec felt completely out of place.

He decided against his will and principle that he needs to be here, at least for Jace. Jace was already down two beers and prowling through the dance floor. After a little bickering about how Alec was no fun and being a drag with Kelvin and his crew agreeing with Jace. Alec felt overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time. Alec replied with a glare and walked off. However, he didn’t leave and still kept his eyes on Jace, but still gave him some distances to be an idiot, which Jace hasn’t disappointed. Jace has found himself entertaining a group of Seelie girls and all Alec knows is no matter how the night ends, Alec will be cleaning up.

Somehow within an hour, trying to dodge death glares from some Downworlders to bluntly saying no to random girls who doesn’t know the concept of personal space. Alec still manage to lose Jace.

“Where’s Jace?”

“Alec, you need to stop being Jace’s little lap dog and loosen up.” Kelvin said as he walked pass him into the crowd following some girl. “…Loosen up, Lightwood!”

Maybe he should. This whole night he has been nothing but a downer. He nagged and complained. He was too fixed on the time and the consequences, beside the few girls who as Kelvin’s minion #2 stated were “checking Alec out” and that Alec was too clueless to see the message.

Alec found himself caught and annoyed.

He should be pretending. He should be fitting in. Yet, all he could think about is Jace. That Jace is heartbroken, hurt, and stupid without supervision. He grunted, glared, and went searching for Jace.

He got a few stares and shoves by some Downworlders, who wasn’t pleased seeing a Shadowhunter among them. He brushed it off, it was no place to start a fight when he and his fellow morons are in their territory. He kept himself focus on searching for the golden locks while trying to not be distracted by the crowds of bodies dancing passionately and completely in disregards of personal space and oxygen.

Alec might be clueless, but he still very warm blooded. The curiosity is there, to be close to someone and move with someone like that.

Than he sees him. Mr. Koyoma. He wasn’t alone. His arms were wrapped around man. Eyes closed and lips lock in a deep continuous kiss. Alec stood only a few feet away and frozen like a deer in headlights. He feels his heart rapidly beating and his chest tight. Mr. Koyoma was dressed different, very causal than Alec has ever seen him. His thin shirt is low and his black pants tightly wrapped around his long legs. The man he was with, a Downworlder. Had his hands underneath Mr. Koyoma’s shirt. Their bodies was pressed closes and slowly moving to the rhythm of the song.

Mr. Koyoma has always been attractive, but tonight he had a different allure under colorful lights and in the arms of another man.

The sight was unexpected and tempting. Alec was envious and definitely curious.

Mr. Koyoma pulled away and opened his eyes. He smiled at the man, who was pulling Mr. Koyoma back for another kiss. He looked happy. They looked happy.

Than the song changed and Mr. Koyoma turned. His soft brown eyes met Alec’s hazel eyes. He looked shocked and shunned. He pulled away from the man. His eye arched up. “Alec?” Alec didn’t respond. He was scared and shook his head as he wasn’t Alec and than he ran.

Alec is panicking. He just stood there watching them, made him felt ashamed of himself on how turned on he was. He pushed and shuffled himself outside. The cool night air was welcoming as he tried to catch his breath. His heart was still beating fast and untamed. He doesn’t know what to do with this information? He was still processing it, but now Mr. Koyoma saw him. Saw him watching.

“Alec?” Alec closed his eyes. Of course, he followed him.

“I won’t say anything!” Alec turned back to see Mr. Koyoma behind him. Mr. Koyoma shook his head and grinned.

“Alec, it’s okay.”

“I wasn’t…I didn’t…mean to.” Alec doesn’t know what to say.

“Alec, are you scared that I caught you here at a place you shouldn’t be or that you saw me?”

“Um…I don’t know…I mean…both.” Alec feels red in the face, he can’t find his words. Mr. Koyoma laughed and gave out a long sigh. He looked baffled. “I am sorry.”

“Why are you apologizing?”

“Felt like I should…” Mr. Koyoma chuckled. “…I don’t know…um…does people know…that you’re…that you are…um…” Alec is officially exhausted at himself now.

“…that I love to dance?” He smiled. “…or that I am gay?” Alec just looked at him. He definitely can’t find the words now. Alec was stunned to see how easy it was for Mr. Koyoma to say it. “See, I didn’t explode.” Mr. Koyoma smiled, Alec couldn’t help but grinned. “…and no, none of them knows.”

“I didn’t mean to sound like…and why would you be…oh, hell…I am so sorry, I didn’t mean to be…”

“Alec, it’s okay. You asked and I answered…and I am here because it’s date night. We like to dance.” He laughed than suddenly Mr. Koyoma’s face looked worried, like the whole picture of seeing Alec is settling in realization.

“Mr. Koyoma, I do mean it. I won’t say anything.” Alec looked him, seeing the concerns and fear rising in Mr. Koyoma’s eyes.

“I know…I am assuming that if you’re here…Mr. Wayland is here.”

“Yes…”

“Find him and go back to your dorms…you shouldn’t be here…you’re underage…understand?” Alec nodded as his eyes looked back to see the man that Mr. Koyoma was with standing a distance away. He looked worried as he looked at Alec. Alec can only assume what the man was thinking, he was afraid that Alec will tell and destroy everything. Alec would never. Mr. Koyoma looked back and he smiled at the man. “…Go home, Mr. Lightwood.”

Alec watched him walked back towards the man. “Eizo…” The man said softly.

“Don’t worry.” Mr. Koyoma said, as he kissed him. Mr. Koyoma wrapped his arm around the man’s back and together, they walked away.

Love was exhausting.

***

Alec helped a drunken Jace back to his room. After cleaning Jace’s vomit and leaving 2 aspirin and a bottle of water beside him. Looking at Jace, made Alec wonder if falling in love was worth all this stupidity? Drunk and mumbling the person’s name over and over.

Than Alec thought Mr. Koyoma and that man. He thought about how they kissed and held each other under the glowing lights and in a crowd of people. How fearless and careless Mr. Koyoma was. Was he not afraid to be caught? Maybe he was, but than maybe he was taking a chance? Maybe?

As he laid in bed. All Alec could think about was Mr. Koyoma.

Unfortunately, Alec was not the only who saw Mr. Koyoma. It only took a few hours before the entire academy knew about Mr. Koyama and his Downworlder lover. Kelvin and his crew was definitely behind this.

Alec empathized Mr. Koyoma, but he also blamed him. The rational part of Alec knew all this could have been prevented. It was Mr. Koyama’s fault for being careless. It was his fault for being caught. He should have known better. He should have pretended better.

Still, parts of him still envy Mr. Koyoma. His stupidity. His courage.

It was no surprise that Mr. Koyoma class was cancelled. A note hang on the door, with a detailed reading assignments and a reflection paper due by next class. The students were thrilled for the free hour, Alec wanted to vomit. Alec felt guilty, he wondered if Mr. Koyoma thought Alec told. He didn’t say anything, even when Jace asked about the rumors. Alec called Jace a hypocrite, that he shouldn’t be supporting gossip when only days ago, Jace was the center of the gossip mill. Jace just looked baffled.

However, one rumor led to another and now whispers of Mr. Koyoma was fired and removed.

When the campus was clearing, Alec stayed in the library, looking up written laws and policies to help Mr. Koyoma. He shouldn’t be fired for something like this. He shouldn’t. Yet, he found nothing to defend Mr. Koyoma, but he also found nothing to use against him. It led no where.

On his way back to his dorms. Alec found Mr. Koyoma in his classroom. He was packing his belongings into a box.

“So, is it true…they did fired you?” Mr. Koyoma turned, surprised.

“Mr. Lightwood.” He greeted him. “Come in…”

“Mr. Koyoma, I want you to know. I didn’t say anything to anyone.”

“Alec, I know. I wasn’t fired. I quit.”

“Why?”

“They were going to fired me anyway but they will uses much scrutiny…that I personally did not want to involve James and I…he’s a Downworlder. You know they won’t be kind to him.” Alec nodded. He knows.

“His name is James?”

“Yes…” The name itself made Mr. Koyoma smiled.

“What happens now?”

“Go home…to James…get something to eat…I don’t know…finish my novel…take a nap.” He smiled.

“What about being a shadowhunter?”

“Oh, Mr. Lightwood, It’s not about being…I am a shadowhunter. No one can take from me.” He said firmly. “We were made to protect, but to protect is understand life and to know life is to live.”

“I am still sorry.”

“Alec, I’ll be fine.” His eyes soften and he seated himself on top of his empty desk. “…May I say something…share some last wisdom before I go?”

Alec nodded. “Is this about the reading assignment?” Mr. Koyoma laughed and shake his head.

“No, but you should still read those chapters…it be on the final exam…the syllabus will remain.” He looked at Alec, face filled with concerns. “…Alec, you will be okay.”

“What? I don’t know what you’re talking about?” Alec looked away, nervous.

“I think you do…you may not believe it today, tomorrow, or even years…but you will be okay….don’t be so hard on yourself.” Alec wanted to cry. He felt exposed and empty. He shook his head, holding the sudden urge to confess. “Alec, you don’t have say anything. I won’t say anything…”

“Mr. Koyoma, thank you…take care of yourself.”

“You too.”

***

Swatches. The new word of the day.

It was a rare occasion, both Magnus and Alec had a full day off with no interruptions or any end of the world threats. So, they decided a whole day in the city. Starting with an early big English breakfast at The Spotted Pig. Then, ice Thai tea while holding hands through the busy streets. Walking and shopping through soho.

Alec doesn’t shop. He doesn’t understand it and why anyone can spend hours doing it, but he loves Magnus. Love is making sacrifices.

Including understanding the complexity of the world of cosmetics.

They ended at a MAC, one of Magnus’ favorite cosmetics shop. One of their make artist was excitedly showing Magnus, all their new eyeshadows and highlights. After swatches rows of colors on his own arms, Magnus ended up running out of space. With a very seductive grin, he sweet talked Alec with desserts and cat eyes, into rolling up his sleeves and baring his arms.

The things you do for love.

Alec pouted and glared, as Magnus swiped another shade on Alec’s arm, giggling at Alec’s annoyed glare.

“I love you, Alexander…” Magnus kissed his pouty lips. Instinctively, Alec kissed back, and returned to signature pouty face. Magnus laughed.

“I might need evaluate my feelings.” Magnus smiled and laughed. Kissing Alec’s cheek.

“You love me.” There those eyes again. Piercing deep into Alec, making him surrender.

“So much…I love you.” He leaned over and kissed Magnus on his forehead. “…so…very…much.” He whispered softly into Magnus’ ear. Magnus smiled. “…I better get my dessert tonight.” Alec grinned.

“Hot or cold, Mr. Lightwood?” Magnus kissed him softly.

“Hot.” He replied with his eyes looking down and up at Magnus. A few years ago, Alec could never imagine that he would be standing with his boyfriend in public, kissing and teasing. Yet, here he is. Cover in glitter and every color under the rainbow, thanks to the new MAC.

“Andi, I would like this one.” Magnus blushingly turned back to the make up artist. “…and that one.”

While Magnus wandered away, into another section of the shop. Alec was graciously emptying the make up wipes. Trying to remove rows of eyeshadows and highlight swatches.

“Alec?” A voice called for him from behind. “Alec Lightwood?” Alec turned jaw almost dropping. Mr. Koyoma. He looked the same. His face was still young, and his fashion still posh. However, there was a touch of aging around his eyes. His once dark raven hair, now highlighted with platinum white.

Yet. He looked the same.

“Mr. Koyoma?” Alec was surprised. He couldn’t believe it. He smiled, reaching his hand out to shake. Mr. Koyomo shook his hand, looking down to see a transfer of glitter on his palm. “…Sorry…my boyfriend.” He looked towards Magnus direction, who was still occupied with the lip glosses.

“Your boyfriend?” He smiled. “…Is that’s Magnus Bane?” He turned back to Alec, eyes raised. “…Mr. Alec Lightwood, I can’t believe my eyes.”

“Trust me, I can’t either.” Alec grinned. “Mr. Koyomo, how are you?” Alec straighten his back.

“I am good.” He replied. “…and yourself, Head of the Institution I heard?” He sounds proud.

“You heard?”

“Yes, I am still connected to the Clave vines….and I am very proud.”

“Thank you.” Alec feels ticking of pride in his chest. “Sorry, I am little surprised to see you…it’s has been a long time.”

“It’s has…”

“What have you been up to…beside being here?” Mr. Koyomo laughed.

“James…my husband, loves the vitamin C toner here. He’s over there…” Alec turned over to see Magnus standing next to another familiar face. James looked the same, exactly the same. He was immortal,

There’s a beauty in seeing the longevity of Mr. Koyomo and James relationship. It’s hopeful. Though, seeing aging eyes on Mr. Koyomo and the immortal youth of his husband was something unexpectedly very bitter. Maybe he should also look into all the skin care talk that Izzy is so invested in.

“Married?”

“Yes, nine years.” It’s all very bittersweet and beautiful to Alec. Yet, Alec wondered.

“Under the Clave?”

Mr. Koyomo laughed and shook his head. “No, in Gothenburg, Sweden…it was a mundane wedding.” Alec nodded. Of course. The Clave wouldn’t recognize a marriage between two men and definitely not between a Shadowhunter and a Downworlder. Alec looked over to see Magnus smiling, in a conversation with James.

“I wonder what they’re talking about?”

***

Magnus became quick friends with James. He kindly invited them to join Alec and him for dinner. Alec was pleased when Mr. Koyomo and James agreed.

They ended up in Chinatown and sharing a spicy seafood hotpot and imported Vietnamese beers. They talked about the current news, views on the mundanes’ elections, Harry Potter, and Mr. Koyomo and James’ wedding. Seeing the couple, gushing over details of their wedding day. The tulips, the colors, the expensive champagne, the intimate guests list, and the sunset. Alec finds himself reaching for Magnus throughout the conversations. Holding his hands, touching his lap, and rubbing his fingers gently on Magnus back.

When Magnus begin describing his perfect wedding, about his love for roses and magnolias. He wanted a cheesecake for a wedding cake, tall and grand. A slow dance to Marvin Gaye’s After the Dance. Magnus can see his make up and how his hair will be styled.

Alec is making mental notes of every words, every smiles, and every time Magnus looked at him with adoring eyes.

He talked about his famous designer friends, that have offered to tailored their suits. Yes, he was bragging, but it’s all true. In one year, Alec has met Karl Lagerfeld, Tom Ford, Jean-Paul Gaultier, and many others. It was amazing how much Alec understands the importance of fashion week. Izzy was jealous. Magnus is truly beyond things and “too much” was not because he chooses, it was because he is Magnus Bane. It’s not his fault that the world is on their knees for Magnus.

Magnus added, he would appoint Catarina as his Maid of Honor, and that he would have to blackmailed Raphael to be the ring bearer. Alec laughed, picturing Raphael walking down the aisle. Magnus would make him do that. He would.

When the conversations got serious. Mr. Koyomo told the that he left and was no longer a Shadowhunters by titles, but he will always be a Shadowhunters by blood. He added he couldn’t live among them anymore. Found the Clave, corrupted and troubled. Alec remained silence. He was still learning and willing to listen. James, himself was shunned by the Downworlders and left the Seelie Court. He hasn’t seen family for a decade. Loving and marrying a shadowhunter was almost treason.

“It didn’t matter…it no longer matter when those without principles tells you how to live…and who to love. The mundanes’ world isn’t perfect but they’re trying at least…and we can live with that…” Mr. Koyomo leaned over and kissed James on his cheek. “…It only mattered to us.” Mr. Koyomo turned back to James, who looked nothing but adored and loved. “…And that’s should be the only thing that matters.”

***

Magnus spend a good hour or two, teasing Alec about his crush over Mr. Koyomo. He also pouty and told all the cats, that he was cuter and had better taste in shoes than Mr. Koyomo. Alec teased him back, an adorable and jealous Magnus was too easy of a tease.

Though, in seriousness. Alec kissed Magnus and told him, his heart will only and ever belong to Magnus Bane. He also told the cats that too.

Alec pulled Magnus closer, pressing his face into Magnus’ chest, causing Magnus to giggle. Magnus was so warm and he smelled so sweet. Alec runs soft kisses along Magnus’ neck and ended up sucking that one of many favorite spots on Magnus’ body.

Magnus is moaning loud and and tempting. Alec is getting hard.

His fingers reaching down into Magnus’ brief, while kissing him deep and needy.

He gets Magnus saying his name, over and over.

***

Hours felt minutes. Their bodies were exhausted, but pleased and satisfied. Alec held Magnus closes, running his fingers along his back. His eyes locked on Magnus’ golden eyes. He leaned down, kissed his bare shoulders.

“I am going to marry you, Magnus Bane.”

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