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allovesthings · 21 days
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On one hand, there are a lot of things in Titans (1999) that are not that great but, on the other, I do think this comic is one of my favorites when it comes to the dynamic of the fab five and their relationship with each other (the moment when all of them are dreaming and stuck is theirs younger self for example).
Also this comic is the one who made me want to read more of Roy. He is genuinely great in it. So I think that's a plus.
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umbrellacam · 1 year
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Hm, so I read more DC comics than I thought in the last year.
~126 issues of pre-Flashpoint material and ~50 issues of more current stuff in Rebirth and Infinite Frontier, if I’m tracking right.
It just feels like I’m not getting anywhere because I haven’t gotten to my bb Tim yet in pre-Flashpoint 🥲 sob I want Timmyyyyy
like I’m all the way through Robin!Jason (setting aside most of his pre-Crisis stuff) and some of the aftermath of his death with Bruce, but now I definitely have to backtrack through the ~50-ish issues of NTT I’ve been putting off for Dick’s development and transition to Nightwing before he hits Jason’s death and Batman: Year Three
and THEN I get Timmy and Dick & Tim goodness
Curse youuuu, delayed gratification! *shakes fist at the sky*
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that-sea-sponge · 2 months
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Don't Read My Mind
I'm having some thoughts about this panel. This one line in particular. It comes from Titans(2016) - #19. The Titans were trying to help Donna and shit went sideways so the Justice League shows up to shut them down. Wally's power is fritzy and Donna's not herself at the moment. Batman has started to question Dick's leadership in front of the entire team and Dick walks away. Then there is this throw away line from Batman "Don't Read My Mind".
Why not, Batman? What would she find out about you that you don't want Dick to know? First of all, isn't it already established that Batman can block mind reading efforts - unless he's super distressed. Context clues want the reader to think that this is Batman being Batman, but it's something else entirely.
He's afraid. He's worried that this is the time he's pushed too far. He's here insisting that Dick shut down the Titans, the ONE thing that Dick has put passion into beyond his own career. One of the major, original sources of conflict between the two of them was Robin choosing the Titans over Batman, in Bruce's mind at least. He could lose Dick, again, over this. Nightwing doesn't walk away when Batman is speaking. Nightwing stops when Batman calls to him. Dick isn't being the good soldier this time.
Truthfully, Batman knows that while Dick's team dropped the ball optically, they did the right thing by helping a friend and that the Justice League would've made the same calls. No one would have dared call them on it, either, despite the genuine risk to the greater population. He can't say that. What he can say is, what he says on the next page. It's hard to run a team of demi-gods. Optics are important, results be damned. Dick soon asks "Have I disappointed you?" and Batman says nothing. In Dick's mind, he's despairing. He failed Bruce again. He failed his team, he failed in front of his heroes. He isn't good enough to do what he does at the scale that he wants to do it on - the Titans will never be good enough. He failed everyone. Again.
Batman isn't disappointed. Batman is glad Dick stopped to listen to him just one more time. Batman is glad Dick heard what he was saying, but more glad that Dick stopped. This time, he stopped walking away. He didn't disappear off the face of the Earth to re-emerge as someone else. Batman doesn't want the mind reader to tell Dick the truth: He's terrified that Dick will leave him again. Dick is in the right here, even if he took some chances. His team was in the right.
Trouble is, Dick has to be better than right. Nightwing has to do it cleaner than anyone else. He has to be more transparent than anyone. Someone is going to have to be able to call the League on their bullshit. That will be Nightwing, but first he's got to do it by the book every time, feelings and loyalty be damned. In Bruce's mind, the very first loyalty damned will be Nightwing's loyalty to Batman. Someday. He'll push too far and Dick will use the ethics / standards Bruce impressed on him since he was eight and disappear forever. Just not today, it seems. Look at the art for a second. Bruce and Dick only see each other obscured by shadows. Really their logos, their professional identities, are the only thing they see of each other at this point. Nightwing is turned, storming away from Batman. It isn't until Batman calls Nightwing by his real name that they start to see each other. Now it's Bruce and Dick in the light. If that is not symbolic of a whole hell of a lot between them and their personalities, I don't know what is.
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amourisms · 1 year
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idk if you’re inactive but i love your writing.. i would kill for some dumbification with dick
maybe it can start like a hatefuck👀
ohmygosh i'm so sorry it's taken me so long to get to this but i hope you enjoy :)
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summary : dick can get a little animalistic when the person he finds most irritating wears his colour.
pairing : dick grayson x fem!reader
warnings : hate sex, dumbification, pet name ( princess ), manhandling / overall rough sex, degradation, fingering, unprotected sex, bit of praise, overstimulation, hickeys n marking, cum eating.
wc : 1.7k
a/n : its 4:27am but i just rly wanted to get this out so major apologies if its a little sloppy. sidenote can you tell i’ve got a major thing about being spoken to in the third person in this?
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everything about him set you aflame. although half the time you struggled pinpointing whether it was a fire filled with hate or lust which unbeknownst to you, was a feeling dick was conflicted in as well. even now when you were dancing and flirting with his best friend, wally west. 
it was just another small celebration with your group of heroes as dick sat on the couch of titans tower’s living room, keeping his conversation with donna and roy in the back of his head as his teeth gritted at the sight of the person who irritated him most all over his best mate. yet out of everything, the fact that it was wally next to you and not him was deemed the most annoying thing you've ever done. especially when you were wearing such a dress that framed your body so perfectly that it somehow made you even more picturesque with hints of your blue bra being shown. so when you left wally briefly to go freshen up in the bathroom, his unmistakable grip on your arm stopped you before you could even reach your destination. 
he dragged you to one of the many bedrooms within titans tower and quickly locked the door after pulling you inside. "you and wally, huh?" dick had asked with a tone concocted with jealousy and anger though that's exactly what you wanted from him.
"what about it?" you seethed back at him, confused as to why he cared. he took a step closer, backing you in the door behind you and making you shrink under his harsh gaze. 
"what about it is that i hear your soft calls of my name and your pretty little moans in the dead of night when you think no one's awake, just to find you flirting with my best friend right in front of me." 
feeling a little embarrassed now knowing that he's heard you all those times, almost made you back down. though something in you just wanted to piss him off, "you catch the times i screamed out wally's name too?". you were lying but staring him down as he did you, dick was starting to have small doubts. 
your faces remained inches away, until in a blur of your own thoughts you decided to close the gap and kiss him. dick reacted quickly, kissing you back intensely. his right hand was gripping your hip roughly whilst the other relaxed in your hair. you had bought a hand to lay flat on his chest as the other found his on your hip to drag down to your pussy. dick smirked into the heated kiss as his fingers ran up and down your clothed slit, feeling the lace of your underwear and more importantly how wet for him you were even through the fabric.
lifting your legs to attach around his hips he bought you to the bed, tossing you on there with ease. he took the moment to take off his shirt, revealing his alluring torso then he wasted no time in bunching up your dress to your waist, revealing your blue lace underwear. nightwing blue. 
"christ, y/n, you're such a whore." he scoffed, but he couldn't help but manage to get harder knowing you were wearing his colours whilst flirting with his best friend. it made him feel like you would always be his, his to use like his own personal fleshlight, and that's exactly what he intended to do to you tonight. 
his fingers moved underneath the bands of your panties, and as much as he hated taking his colour off you he loved seeing your pretty glistening pussy more. his middle and ring finger ran long strokes up and down your slit, teasing you, as he bought his body on top of you he began to suck marks on your neck. just at that moment, dick plunged a finger into your sopping cunt in a singular smooth motion making you gasp. 
as he added another finger, he continued sucking on your skin moving down your neck, careless of the marks that were sure to be left in his wake. after all, he was determined to show everyone you were his. 
your breathing was heavy and whimpers were being squeezed out of you as his long, slender fingers skilfully found your sweet spot inside you. his thumb began to work your clit, his fingers finding a pace that coaxed moans out of you effortlessly. "you're much more tolerable like this," he told you as your brain couldn't even register what was happening anymore besides the blinding pleasure of just his fingers, "all soaked and dumb for me."
with that, your orgasm came crashing, and a smirk grew on dick's face as you clenched around his fingers. "you're so easy to please," he spoke softly as he continued to finger-fuck you through it. as you came down from your high, dick removed his fingers from your pussy, leaving you with an achingly empty feeling.
your mouth couldn't comprehend anything your mind was saying only allowing for a "please…" to leave your lips, though he seemed to understand you.
"don't worry, princess, i know how much of a slut you are," he began as he unbuckled his belt and removed his pants, "i know how much you need it."
your mind was in a haze as dick began repositioning himself, so when he laid down on the bed your brows furrowed in confusion until he grabbed you and positioned you over him, "show me just how much." he told you nonchalantly.
your hands rested on his shoulders as you began to drop down on his cock, filling you up perfectly. you sat atop his pelvis for a moment, adjusting to his size in which he took the time to take your dress straps off your shoulders and pushing the fabric covering your tits down so he could see your matching nightwing blue lace bra. just the sight of it made him groan. he couldn't define what it was in his head, but you in his colour just seemed so right. 
when you finally adjusted to him, you gathered up all the power left in you – which granted wasn't a lot – and began moving up and down on his cock. already riding on your knees was restrictive and now considering your sensitivity you just didn't have it in you to go any faster. 
growing tired of the pace dick gripped your hips and began slamming you down on his cock with his hands, "poor baby, can't even ride like the slut i know she is" he spat harshly.
even with his extra assistance and mindless babbles rolling off your tongue, it still wasn't enough to please dick. remembering you all up on wally west of all people? he needed to take all this pent up frustration he had with you out, and with that he planted his feet on the mattress and began thrusting into you at a brutal pace. 
your head rested in the crook of his neck with a hand gripping his shoulder and another planted firmly on his chest, allowing him to hear your angelic sounds even louder in his ear. the sound of it all was so pornographic with skin slapping against skin, your cries of pleasure and his deep groans. you were glad all the rooms were soundproof although a little part of dick wanted everyone to hear. 
nothing in your mind was coherent, your thoughts were stuck in the overwhelming pleasure dick gave you and that was the only word you ended up being able to say. his name came out of your mouth like a mantra. it was him and only him, and hearing you stuck on every word besides his name his earlier doubts had completely dissolved. you were his and you knew it. 
dick's thrusts were unfaltering, much alike the stream of curses and calls of his name escaping your cluttered mind. you were completely thoughtless on his cock. 
a muffled string of m's left his lips as he took note of your completely fucked out state, "you're taking my cock so well, baby." he would take a picture of this moment if he could. the lewdness of it all only made him go harder and faster. you cuddled up in the crook of his neck as one of his hands explored every crevice of your body whilst the other traced the marks littered everywhere above your breasts. to him it was ecstasy.
he could've sworn he hated you half an hour ago, though he couldn't deny how mesmerising you were right now. "that's my girl," he cooed in your ear as you were still whimpering at his every thrust, "spewing nonsense like the brainless whore she is." the knot in your stomach wound tighter and tighter and your walls only clenched around him tighter making him murmur a small "fuck…".
you called out his name as you came, your eyes shutting and your sensitive pussy spasming around his cock. your hands had managed to move all over his torso and was now gripping tightly onto his hair and bicep, especially now that his thrusts were relentless.
he flipped the both of you over, grabbing you with ease and tossing you on your back as he now was chasing after his own high. he was still ramming into your poor, aching cunt making your mind blind with such a level of overstimulation. one hand of his began groping your tits through the material of your bra as the other drew circles on your clit. it wasn't long before your third orgasm of the night washed over you leaving you to yet again spasm and tighten on his cock. 
a deep groan came from his throat this time as he muttered "gonna, fuck– cum" he told you in a broken sentence. with that he pulled out and laid his cock on your stomach, cumming on your tits. seeing his length reach your belly button was almost enough to make you cum for the fourth time. 
your head was still dizzy, though you could feel his slender fingers lightly trace stray lines on your chest. "open" he told you softly as he brought those same fingers to your lips that were now covered in his cum and as you did what he said, he pushed his fingers deep into your mouth letting you suck them clean.
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pluckyredhead · 4 months
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so what did you not like about worlds finest teen titans? There were a lot of dropped plot threads and bits I expected Waid to develop more (Roy and Ollie conflict, Roy, Garth and Wally never resolved their sleepover argument, Karen's reaction at the con to nearly being unmasked, Wally's parents, ect) and also the queerbaiting with garth (and his eyes changing colour halfway through???) was annoying. I thought it was cute overall but maybe I'm not familiar enough with some of the characters?
I held on to this ask because I was going to reread the miniseries to answer you more accurately, and then I decided to not put myself through that, so...hopefully my memory is accurate lol.
(I should note before I get into it that none of my quibbles are with Emanuela Lupacchino's art. She's a treasure and we're thrilled that she's here.)
But yeah, you've put the nail on the head with a lot of it. It was just terribly paced, like Waid didn't know how many issues he had or something. Aside from all the dropped threads you mentioned, it felt like the main bad guys were...pretty much hastily introduced, or at least assembled, in #5? There didn't seem to be any kind of...well, point to this miniseries. There was no theme. There was nothing Waid was trying to say, as far as I could tell, except "Fuck Roy Harper." (Oh, we'll get to that.) It wasn't an origin story for the team. It wasn't about adolescence or coming of age or learning who you are, except maybe a little bit for Garth. It was just...there.
And I want to be clear here: Mark Waid is one of my favorite comic book writers of all time. When he hits, he hits. The regular World's Finest book and his Shazam are wonderful. I just think this wasn't the right match of writer/characters, because he didn't handle these very well. Taking them one by one:
Dick: DC is fully in their "Dick the unbearable Mary Sue" era and this book is no exception. If I never see another comic where a whole team of experienced superheroes with major league powers and training stands around like incompetent jackasses until a Bat comes along and tells them what to do, it'll be too soon. I'm here to read about an ensemble book where everyone is a three-dimensional character, not The World's Most Perfect Boy and his loser sidekicks. Not only is it unfair to everyone else in the cast, it's doing a disservice to Dick, who is a much more interesting character than this book (or Tom Taylor, ahem) gives him credit for.
(There's also something very weird and inconsistent Waid is doing across his books with Dick - WF, WFTT, and BvR - where sometimes he's throwing a tantrum because he doesn't get to be a circus star with everyone looking at him all the time, and sometimes he's screaming at Roy for filming them, and both feel utterly arbitrary to me as well as contradictory.)
Donna: Donna's characterization in this was just...bizarre. I was a little worried about how Waid would handle her, since he has a tendency to turn more quote unquote "wholesome" female characters into the Mom Friend (see: his Champions run, where he tries to get away with it by having Kamala announce that she's not going to be the Mom Friend because she's the only girl on the team...and then immediately becoming the Mom Friend), and Donna's already very much a Mom Friend, and I didn't know what Mom Friend Squared would look like. But instead he went for this...Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl approach? Where she's really into bungee jumping and monster trucks? I'm not offended by it, it's just so utterly random. This isn't who Donna is? It's never been who she is? Baffling.
I am offended (I mean, mildly, but still) by the fact that she and Garth are shoehorned together in this. He's the only boy on the team she's never been romantically linked to, even in dreams/hallucinations/whatever, so completing the set feels very much like Donna's only narrative worth is in being a love interest, which...gross.
Garth: Garth probably got the best treatment of the bunch, to be honest. He was in character as the shy little weirdo he was in the Silver Age and in pretty much every flashback we've ever seen. He's smart and perceptive and bad at saying what he wants and generous towards those who have hurt him, all of which is very Garth. I have no complaints about him except the weird queerbaiting, and I'm not blaming Waid for that because from what I understand, solicits are written by editorial working off of a pitch, potentially before the comic is even written, so who knows what happened there? It might have been a stupid joke that didn't land, it might have been a story that was pitched and then a higher up vetoed it, it might have been a story Waid was going to write and then changed his mind. I'm not going to say it's his fault when I have no idea if that's true. Otherwise, I think he handled Garth well.
Wally: Wally was another one where I was just like ??? the whole time. He didn't feel like Wally, he felt like Bart. But, like, fanon's innocent child version of Bart and not the actual canon character, who has a lot more backbone. Why is he hero worshipping Dick like that? Why is he so docile? What was up with that weird line where Dick's like "you're the youngest?" Yes, historically Dick had already dropped out of college while Wally was still in high school, but otherwise they've always been portrayed as the same age. And if it's a reference to debut year, Donna's the youngest. It's such a random throwaway line dumped in at the very end for...why? Confusing me personally?
The worst, though, was whatever the hell was going on with Wally's parents. Wally's parents are not an idyllic suburban couple! They are not the Kents! Rudy West is only not classified as a supervillain because he doesn't have a costume! Even if he hadn't tried to kill Mary, sold the Earth out to alien robots, faked his own death, or run a deadly labor camp for children at this point in the timeline, he definitely hit Wally and, uh, poisoned Wally's Little League coach. I don't think Mary is as bad as some of fandom does, but she's certainly a difficult person. Wally was desperately unhappy at home as a child, which is why he latched on so hard to Barry and Iris. And Waid knows this, because he wrote a lot of that canon. If it's a retcon, it's such a strange, pointless one that makes all of them a lot less interesting. Just baffling.
Karen: I think it was a very smart choice to add Karen to the founding roster and make the team slightly more gender-balanced and not all-white. It's kind of a wasted choice, though, when she's so aggressively sidelined. All she does in this book is hang around with Mal and the support staff. She isn't looped into any of the major emotional conflicts - Garth and Donna, Dick and Roy, Roy and Wally and Garth. She's not treated as a headliner in the same way the others are, and that really sucks.
Roy: Hoo boy.
When Waid was announced as the writer of Batman vs. Robin, I was worried, because I had a feeling he didn't like Damian. I couldn't put my finger on why, it was just a feeling I had. And boy howdy, was I proved right! Damian is treated like shit in that book.
I had the same feeling with this book and Roy, and...let's just say I'm two for two, okay?
Here's the thing. I'm okay with Roy being written as kind of shitty, especially during his period of his life. Teen Titans: Year One writes him as an utter fuckboy, and I love that comic. The Mal and Karen issue of The Other History of the DC Universe retells the Bronze Age Titans era from their perspective, and it pulls absolutely no punches regarding Roy being, well, kind of an asshole...and it's right to do so, because it's drawing very directly from those 1970s comics, and he was often awful in those.
But Waid writes him as a generic 80s movie villain. He's a human popped collar. He's a stereotype of a bully. My problem isn't that I need him to never do anything wrong, it's that nothing in this book is specific to Roy, his history, or his established personality.
For instance, all of his bragging about how much money he has? He comes off like a kid who was born into wealth and has never known anything else, but that isn't true. He was at best middle class before Ollie, probably more likely working class given the economic situation on most reservations - but there's no indication that he's responding specifically to that shift in circumstances. He's just, like, Draco Malfoy with arrows. Also, Dick has a nearly identical history but none of the same issues. He even says "Roy and I have the same background but he sucks." Why is one of them a perfect angel untouched by filthy lucre, and the other is Bradley Uppercrust III?
And then there's the subplot with Ollie neglecting Roy, which fizzled out to a real wet fart of a resolution. But honestly, at no point did I know where Waid was going with that, because...well, if you know Roy's history, you know Ollie neglecting him is what leads directly to Roy getting into drugs. And like...first of all, the timeline here is off, because historically Ollie didn't ditch Roy until after he lost his money, and he still has it here. (How interesting would it have been to have Roy pretending he was still rich in addition to pretending Ollie was around?) But also, this comic ends on an "and now everything is fine!" note, but it isn't! It really, really isn't. So Ollie showing up at the end and being like "I'm here for you, buddy" doesn't ring true, because he is demonstrably not in this very comic, and we also know he won't be in the future. And Roy getting what he wants doesn't feel like a satisfying resolution either because we don't actually get to see changed behavior from him, and again, we know this won't last. (Again, TT:YO handles this dynamic very well, where we see that Ollie is an affectionate but negligent guardian who Roy is learning some very bad habits from.)
And to top it off, constantly contrasting Terrible Roy to Virtuous Dick and simultaneously pretending that Ollie was at this point a responsible guardian has the (I hope unintentional) effect of implying that Roy will eventually become an addict because he's just a bad and weak person, instead of a struggling teen who needed support and didn't get it. I would have actually preferred a story that hinted at the beginning of Roy's addiction and how he hides it from the Titans, because we've never had that story told in comics, but I don't think Waid's the one to write it. Instead we get a conflict that's out of character for Roy, a resolution that doesn't feel at all earned, and the looming threat of Roy's immediate future which Waid refuses to address.
In conclusion, this book was a mess, and you should all read Teen Titans: Year One instead.
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devine-fem · 1 month
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See, I really don’t like the friendship conflict amongst TT fans. The “who’s Dick’s best friend” debate is really tiring, there is no actual right answer. Dick and Donna are super close, he loves that woman to death. Roy and Dick are also super close. He considered Wally his best friend and he had a soft spot for Garth.
They all eventually grew apart from each other. That’s what happens with teams like this; they will always grow apart.
Each of them interchangeably also had deep conections with one another, Donna loved Roy and Garth once. Wally loves them all and so does Garth and even the sum of them that are not close still found a middle ground in being friends.
I don’t why there has to be like… conflict… they all loved each other…?
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Reading the OG Teen Titans it's incredibly apparent that Donna and Wally put the 'Titan' in the Teen Titans. This isn't meant as a diss to the rest of the gang but holy shit Donna and Wally were doing everything.
Donna has the highest number of saves out of anyone. She was constantly pulling the boys out of danger or deflecting blows or taking down bad guys. She was their heavy hitter and it's so obvious that they'd be dead a million times over without her. On one of their first missions she singlehandedly lifts the entire mountain range of Mount Rushmore into orbit. She was like 14 years old when she did that.
Let's be real her strength is on par with Superman's, she was trained by Amazons and she can fly. She was semi invulnerable and she's smart. Donna could've taken out the rest of her team without breaking a sweat. Half the time the plot had to nerf her with mind control just to have the plot progress.
And Wally???? JFC! Half the time Wally wasn't even with the team because Robin kept sending him on solo recon missions. The team was always playing catch-up with Wally. They'd be hanging out at the base shooting the breeze while Wally was 12 hours into a stake out on the other side of the world. Then they'd have to scramble to his location when things started to go down and Wally would be left holding down the fort until they got there.
And when he wasn't off getting them intel he was the person saving civilians. 200 people caught in the crossfire? Not anymore they're not. Oh a sinking cruise ship with hundreds on board? Well now they're safe on shore with hot chocolate.
When he was actually 100% into a fight he'd pull out the most batshit crazy moves like vibrating into another dimension, time travelling on the fly, vibrating until he turns invisible, using his speedforce aura to deflect bullets, creating whirlwinds and waterspouts, hovering in the air, vibrating through objects, vibrating objects until they explode, dragging people with around with his slipstream, ect. The man was not normal about his powers.
Honestly Donna and Wally were so OP for what the Titans were doing that they kept being sent away on side missions or getting knocked out. Every other mission Donna and Wally were getting knocked out with random pots and branches so that they didn't singlehandedly solve the conflict in seconds.
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gemini-care-barr · 5 months
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⚠️ Spoilers for World’s Finest: Teen Titans #5 ⚠️
On the subject of team books and friendships/teams in superhero comics in general…
So, I just read the latest issue (#5) of Mark Waid and Emanuela Lupacchino’s World’s Finest: Teen Titans series and I gotta say it has made me realize what I’ve been missing for a while in comics:
I. need. more. STRIFE!!!
I need more characters fighting and tearing into each other in the meanest ways! And NOT because they hate each other or are on opposite ends of the good/evil spectrum, but because people fight! They disagree! They get frustrated and they take it out on the people around them! And then when the pain of changing FINALLY becomes outweighed by the pain of staying the same: people GROW. They become better. They see how the ways that they were acting and the things they were thinking were tearing them apart and they come together against and despite that strife. And no, that doesn’t make things perfect, there will (and should) still be inner conflict and butting of heads, but that only guarantees more change and more growth because no one is constant and no one should be. The only constants are change, and, with a good team, each other.
And by God, this issue, and this series really, has shown that perfectly. Over the past few issues, we’ve seen the perfect dynamics of the team getting ever so slowly chipped away. Starting with Roy very understandably getting mad at Dick for not sharing his secret identity with the team which was promptly “fixed” in a way that we all knew wouldn’t last. Then we’ve seen Garth and Donna’s relationship on the rocks almost from the get-go because unfortunately shared circumstances just isn’t always enough for two people to base an entire relationship on when their similarities and compatibility basically stop there. We also have Karen bringing in a new guy and not really having too many close relationships with the already established team. And finally, we have Roy’s personal struggles with his father figure being aired out and almost ridiculed by the other kids who just don’t know how to help him. Oh, and of course we also have Wally who comes from an almost perfect superhero sidekick background (special thanks to my guy, Barry Allen, no doubt 😜) which unfortunately makes him a little too loving and lighthearted in the eyes of some of the team and is also seemingly pretty unequipped for dealing with their levels of dysfunction (can we really blame him? No, we can’t, and we really shouldn’t, he’s literally the most functional member of the team outside of maybe some of his judgement of Roy). And all these problems have (inevitably) finally resulted in a lot of in-fighting. In-fighting that has now utterly crippled them, but hopefully not for long as the final page shows Dick’s willingness to change when he goes against Bruce’s rules of secrecy and finally reveals his true identity to the team. I’m hoping this means that they’ll set aside their differences and start working as a team again, rallied around their now unmasked-to-them leader, but I have a feeling that waiting so long to finally reveal himself to the team may carry some consequences of its own for Dick.
Regardless, I’m excited to see some more deliciously grounded, well-written, and much-needed personal conflict in comics again. Not to artificially further a plot or build fluff drama, but to evolve characters and relationships alike.
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autisticcassandracain · 8 months
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Everyone's crimes:
Raven: busy going evil and/or being dead 80% of the time, annoying and pretty fucked up will-they-won't-they with Wally that makes neither of them look good.
Dick Grayson: the writers' specialest little boy who needs to be the smartest person in the room always, has the narrative bend over backwards for him constantly to the point where he gets a brainwashing arc that means you could argue nothing bad he did has ever been his fault since like, issue 26 or something.
Donna Troy: got married to Marv Wolfman's self-insert, little miss perfect.
Garfield Logan: group sexual harrasser and self-described chauvenist pig, won't stop complaining about his trauma and daddy issues (and yeah they're pretty bad but in the immortal words of Donna Troy 'that's not exactly unique in this group'), depressed funny guy except he's not funny 98% of the time.
Victor Stone: won't stop complaining about his trauma and daddy issues 2 electric boogaloo (again they're bad again that's not exactly unique in this group and also there's only so many times you can have the same character conflict before it gets annoying).
Koriand'r: idk I guess she's annoyingly clingy towards Dick but if a female character is stuck in an annoying relationship you should always blame the guy, it is always morally correct. She's written by a guy and Dick's that guy's specialest little boy, of course she's shafted. She's done nothing wrong ever in her life no I am not biased do not look at my icon —
Wally West: self-described conservative, primary character trait is not wanting to be here and complaining incessantly about it, see above point about blaming the guy in reference to his relationship with Raven.
Joey Wilson: honestly I have no clue why you'd find Joey annoying. He's too nice? Got no-homo'd too hard before they changed their minds and made him canon queer twice? Had a badly written villain arc bc the writers didn't know what to do with him? Idk. His worst crime is being attached to Deathstroke who IS annoying. Annoying by association.
Kole Weathers: introduced to die and it shows, if you thought Kori was clingy wait until you meet Kole's pathologically clingy ass. That said if I'm honest she's mostly here so I can justify putting Danny Chase on the list as well.
Danny Chase: fourteen years old but he thinks he's the smartest most capable person in the room and he's not even right. The narrative desperately wants you to think he's cool but he's just kinda not. Worst part here is that since I'm literally ten years older than him l can't even be bothered by him bc if I am that makes ME the loser. Damian Wayne did the annoying arrogant over-competent kid schtick better (source: me and my bias).
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Do you think it’d be an interesting side story if Teenage Garth and Donna became real close but started to drift apart after Garth found out she was dating Roy? And of course it’d contribute to him leaving the titans but also adding some internal conflict about how he feels betrayed in a way.
Well... if Garth and Donna have a strictly platonic relationship, then yes, absolutely! The other titans being closer to each other is something that he absolutely feels self-conscious about. And while he's often shown "not understanding" Roy's (and occasionally Wally's) attraction to Donna, I think that also retroactively adds to the problem of feeling like an outsider on the team. Garth often feels like he's out of the loop on things so being close to Donna and then finding out that she might be closer to Roy would absolutely work.
If you mean Garth and Donna being romantically close, then honestly, no. Absolutely no hate to the people who do ship them, but I really hate Garth/Donna..... I mean first just the whole forcing Donna to be with every male friend in her vicinity thing, but it also just,, doesn't make sense from a character or narrative perspective. I mentioned recently that the fab five treat Garth like he's their inexperienced younger brother, and Donna is consistently one of the first people to do that. They have some similarities with being from Different places and wanting to fit in, but instead of bonding over that in a "we're the same let's kiss" kind of way, Donna just understands him and feels protective of him because of it. This is really important to her characterization! She's not nice to him because she thinks he's cute, she's nice because she understands how he feels and doesn't want him to have a hard time, especially when people like Roy and Wally occasionally insult him for it.
And Garth... listen, I don't like killing female characters off just so the male character has a special arc thing. That being said, Tula is so intrinsically tied to Garth's identity that trying to take her away is... it doesn't work the way they think it works. I'm not saying that Garth having crushes or relationships before Tula would diminish their relationship, but I am saying that Tula being Garth's first love is Very important to him as a character. The idea of love and loss of love is fundamental to his narrative. Donna is absolutely important to him, but she's also his cool friend who kicks ass with him, not the love of his life.
ANYWAY, yeah,,, i really enjoy Garth and Donna's friendship!! And I'd love it if we could get back to them being besties and siblings!! While I do think it's important for Garth to focus on how he feels left out by all of the titans, having little mini arcs about specific members wouldn't be a bad thing at all.
However! I don't think Garth would feel betrayed by Donna or Roy (I mean why would he feel betrayed by Roy...), at least,,, not in the classical sense. He would kind of feel betrayed, but betrayal does partially imply that it's their fault or at least that he's blaming them, and Garth wouldn't do that. Instead, Garth would just use this as an example of not belonging with them. He'd turn it into a self-hate "I don't belong here and this is more proof of that" campaign, not a "they hurt my feelings" thing.
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Titans Forever
This is a concept for a live-action Teen Titans film that could be adapted for theatrical release.This film would be in the same universe as other DC projects, I’ve been developing on here.
Synopsis:The Teen Titans get help from members of the original Titans to help them with their most sinister and dark threat ever.
Runtime: 3 Hour 5 Minutes
Release: April 5,2030
Main Cast:
Dick Grayson/Nightwing…..Josh Heuston
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Koriand'r/Starfire…….Halle Bailey
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Rachel Roth/Raven……. Avantika Vandanapu
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Garfield Logan/Beast Boy……Malachi Barton
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Victor Stone/ Cyborg…….. John Boyega
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Donna Troy/Troia…………Samantha Logan
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Wally West/Flash……….Colin Ford
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Sebastian “Brother” Blood………Alex Høgh Andersen
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Mother Mayhem…….. Helena Bonham Carter
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Trigon………….Jason Isaacs
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Plot:
Trigon taunts Raven as he destroys the world and friends. Raven wakes up from the dream and realizes Trigon is gonna enter the world soon.
Raven attempts to hide the truth about why she’s so against celebrating her birthday.
The Titans respond to a attack in San Francisco Stadium, only to be attacked by mindless controlled civilians.
Mother Mayhem ascends from darkness and tells a shadowy figure that Trigon’s ascent is near and they must bring the Heretic,”For she is the key to your Father return.”
Back at Titans Tower, the team regroup and think about their next plan of attack. Raven leaves abruptly, causing Kory to check on her while Dick and Victor investigate some of the footage from their fight.
Raven has a battle in her mind with Trigon and he tells her she must open the portal to Earth. Kory enters her room and snaps her out of it and it’s then Raven reveals what’s wrong.
Raven tells her she can handle on her own but she needs Kory to trust her and not tell the others.
Conflicted Kory agrees for now not to say anything.
The next day is Raven’s 18th birthday, and Trigon’s pill is growing stronger.
Gar and Kory spent most the morning decorating the living area and make Raven breakfast.
Dick senses somethings not right and asks Kory about it to which she doesn’t outright tell him but alludes to something with Raven.
Victor and Gar play video games ask Raven reluctantly joins them, to their surprise.
Dick goes to the Hospital as Nightwing to look at some of the attackers to find them without any memory of the incident.
Brother Blood attacks Titans Tower with blood demons and demands Raven come with him.
Starfire tells the Titans to attack Brother Blood and keep him away from Raven.
Nightwing returns to find the Tower broken into, Titans defeated and Raven missing.
Kory finally tells them that Raven had a dream or something like a convolution and kept muttering Trigon.
Raven awakes in the Church of Blood’s Lair and meets Brother Blood. He tells her how once the moon is full she will be the key to his rise to power. To which Raven scorns him for believing any Trigon or Mayhem told him.
Dick calls for help and Donna Troy and Wally West (Flash) arrive to help find Raven.
Cyborg tracks Raven’s communicator to somewhere south of Titans Tower.
Donna and Starfire investigate an apartment complex in that area, where police scanners report figures in red cloaks and gold demon masks, Cyborg and Beast Boy follow Raven’s tracker to an old factory, and Nightwing and Flash follow on intel about Sebastian Blood’s connection to Raven.
Mother Mayhem prepares the great room and has Brother Blood rejuvenate in blood to prepare for the recital.
Meanwhile Starfire and Donna Troy are lured into a trap and are fighting waves of Blood Demons.
Cyborg and Beast Boy are put up against demons that are made to look like the other Titans.
Nightwing and Flash deduce Blood’s identity and figure out that his “Mother” worked at an old church on the outskirts of town and call the other Titans to the location.
Raven is brought to the Grand Room where she asks Sebastian to stop and think about the Evil he’s about to unleash. He tells her she had her chance and he’s not going to be stopped.
Nightwing and Flash arrive and enter the tiny abandoned church until they find the hidden passage into the basements.
Mother Mayhem calls for the Followers of Trigon to welcome him into this world, and cleanse it of Man’s corruption.
Nightwing and Flash crash the ceremony and Nightwing head straight for Brother Blood.
Raven uses this time to try and break from her bends but they are hexed.
Flash takes out the normal masked followers but demons, and blood monsters are summoned by Mother and he ask to act fast.
The Full Moon is in full view of the skyline and Mother demands Sebastian to let her handle these issues. She strikes Nightwing who was dodging Brother Blood’s blood blast. She tells him that he’s a fool to think he can stop what’s coming next.
Starfire burst through the wall with the other Titans and she attack Mother knocking her away from Nightwing.
BB and Donna Troy assist Flash with the Demons, Cyborg gets to Raven and tries to help free her.
Starfire and Mother Mayhem engage in a fight with Mayhem’s powers being matched with Starfire’s.
Nightwing get to his fight in time to stop Brother Blood from killing Cyborg.
Mother Mayhem sends Starfire through a drywall and grabs Raven she picks up the Demon Blade and demands Brother blood stab Raven and allow her blood to flow onto the rock and open the portal.
Nightwing and Cyborg attempt to stop him but Mother Mayhem’s powers keep them in place.
Brother Blood tells Raven it’s nothing personal and is close to stabbing her, Starfire is able to get up and blast her power at the alter, causing Sebastian to stab Mother instead in the chest in place of Raven.
Horrified about he’s done he cries out for her has she bleeds onto the alter and her blood flows into the pool.
Nightwing grabs Raven and tells Starfire to get them and Cyborg away from there. She grabs them and flies outside where Flash, Donna Troy, and Beast Boy are waiting.
Blood now enraged recites the spell as Mayhem’s body vanished to ash and opens the portal and Trigon’s voice bombs through out the temple.
The Titans are able to regroup at the Tower, allowing them team to ask Raven who’s Trigon and what does she have to do with this.
Raven tells them her origins and the truth about her powers and father.
The sky turns red and earthquakes are felt throughout the city. Starfire tells them that something is happen downtown and emerges Trigon.
Raven tells them she’s the only one who can stop him and tells them she can’t allow them to be slaughtered because of her.
Nightwing tells her they’re not just a team, but a family and they’re going either way.
The Titans arrive and city hall where Trigon has risen, but Brother Blood returns with amplified powers and wants blood for Mayhem’s demise.
Donna Troy, Cyborg, and Flash go after Blood. Nightwing, Raven, Beast Boy, and Starfire battle through Trigon’s demon army.
Raven realizes she cannot defeat Trigon with battling him with rage, she uses her power and transforms into White Raven and defeats her father.
Without Trigon’s powers the Titans are able to finally stop Brother Blood.
Raven thanks the Titans, and the agree to always work together no matter how evil or strong the Titans will always stick together.
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fantastic-nonsense · 2 years
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Can of Worms Time;
Say you were editor of The Nightwing and BOP books and there’s fan demand for Dick and Babs to finally tie the knot.
How would you pull it off?
Well I wouldn't do it by having Dick feel pressured to propose to a woman he's not actually actively in a relationship with anymore because he thinks he's going to die and wants to get it off his chest before he runs off, gets hit by a massive energy beam during a multiversal invasion event, and ends up in a coma, that's for sure.
No I'm not bitter about Infinite Crisis and Devin Grayson's continual misunderstanding of Dick and the Dick/Babs relationship, why do you ask?
More seriously, let's play this out with post-Crisis!Dick/Babs but sprinkle in the occasional piece of post-Flashpoint stuff (aka, we're talking Nightwing and Oracle, competent and independent adult heroes who both actively lead their own teams, have their own friend groups, have had serious previous love interests, and have their own responsibilities outside of a relationship with each other).
Realistically, the actual proposal would likely be pretty quiet. Dick and Babs are both pretty private people when it comes to their relationship and they both know what a Production™ their family and friends would cause if they knew there were plans (I'm thinking about Dinah and Tim specifically here, but everyone involved would be guilty). I think they'd wait a few days before letting everyone know.
My running gag during the wedding prep era would be that every time they're trying to plan an aspect of the wedding, they keep getting called out to go deal with superhero stuff. This would obviously usually be within the context of whatever a-plot they're dealing with in their individual books, but also just...littering references here and there about other stuff happening in the background.
Trying to book a caterer? Whoops, all-hands-on-deck alien invasion. Talking about flowers? Gotham's had another Arkham breakout. Trying to get to a dress fitting? Oh no, the Birds need help breaking into a high-security prison in Bialya. Scheduling their mandatory pre-marital counseling sessions? Oops, the Titans need help dealing with some major universe-ending threat. Nothing that actually puts a strain on Dick and Babs' relationship, but something that's just exasperating enough to be plausible for two characters who are traditionally DCU linchpin characters with a lot of responsibilities and funny enough for readers to not get tired of it.
I think it would also be fun to have a Nightwing issue focused on Dick running around Bludhaven dealing with petty crime while trying to figure out who his best man is going to be. Should it be Wally, who's been the best man at all of his previous weddings/wedding attempts? Should it be Roy, who's stuck by him again and again and (Dick thinks) should get a chance to actually be in a wedding party that's not his dad's for once? Should it be Tim, the sibling he's closest to? Should it be Donna, who he walked down the aisle at her own wedding? He has so many choices, all of which would be good choices for different reasons and none of whom would be particularly offended by him picking someone else. He picks Wally in the end, because why mess with what works, and asks the others+Garth and Damian to be groomsmen (yes, Donna's at the altar with him too).
At some point, Babs just appoints Dinah as her Maid/Matron of Honor and lets her run her entire wedding prep process for her. Babs might be a control freak, but this is one area where she's largely happy to let someone else take care of the minutia. She grabs the rest of the BOP Core Four+Cass, Steph, and Alysia as her bridesmaids, picks out her dress, and calls it a day.
As for the wedding itself, I want two things out of it: one, someone important (not Dick or Babs, so maybe Wally or one of the Bats?) nearly doesn't make it to the venue because of a massive superhero conflict, and two, the actual wedding goes off without a hitch. I'm very determined that the actual wedding will not be interrupted or otherwise ruined in any way after the disaster that was Dick/Kory's attempted wedding and the pre-wedding trials I just talked about. So they get their wedding, they go on a honeymoon somewhere, and they TURN OFF THEIR COMMS for a week. The honeymoon period is for enjoyment, not distractions; they've both had enough of those.
Publishing/IRL time-wise, the proposal would happen in a Nightwing issue, I'd let the engagement era happen over a year or so (so 12 issues for both the Nightwing and BOP books, exploring the process from both their POVs) and then have their wedding in a crossover issue. So...yeah, that's how I'd pull off a Dick/Babs engagement and wedding in the context of Dick and Babs both having their own books.
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linkspooky · 8 months
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TITANS, ISSUE #2 THOUGHTS.
This is way late but welcome back to my continual coverage of the new Titans series currently being released by DC Comics. Goodbye anime it's time to return to my real passion cheesey super hero comics. This is the first series since the N52 and Rebirth reboots to feature the classic New Teen Titans lineup so as a fan of the old comics I'm interested to see where they're taking these characters. Especially since this is the first time in like three reboots the focus is on letting these characters grow up.
This is also running simultaneously with World's Finest! Teen Titans which is bringing back the silver age lineup + Bumble Bee and making them canon again. As a fan of the silver age comics I'll be covering that series eventually too. Anyway, issue number two under the cut.
MEET THE NEW BOSS
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We open with a much younger version of the Teen Titans about to ambush Brother Blood only to find the Justice League has already taken care of them. As far as I know something like this never really happened in the old continuity. Robin always acted separate from Batman that was sort of the point, and the only time they really clashed was the crossover with Batman and the Outsiders. It culminated in a story arc where Dick Grayson realizing he'd been emulating batman a little too much realized he didn't actually want to lead people the same way that Bruce did.
Then much, much later in the JLA and Titans crossover Technis Imperative. So yeah, The Justice League never really sniped one of the Titans targets. It was more of a silver age Teen Titans thing that they were just considered the Jr. Justice League and the Justice League / Their mentors were more active in interfering with them. By the time of New Teen TItans, they were just the Titans their own independent group.
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Wally's not dead (obviously), but an alternate timeline version of him does give us the interesting premise that Dick is tasked with solving a murder before it even happens. It gives Dick a chance to show off his detective training here presenting a unique challenge to his skill set.
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Cyborg's question of whether or not Dick has contingencies in place is a reference to the Tower of Babel storyline where Batman prepared weapons to use against the Justice League with the knowledge of all their weaknesses, only for those same weapons to get stolen by Ra'as al Ghul who put them into place and crippled the league while at the same time sending Batman on a wild goose chase by robbing his parent's grave an forcing him to track down where Ra's moved the bodies in order to distract them. It was a pretty big deal in the pre-reboot continuity.
Dick having those same contingencies shows his control-freak Bruce foiling, but at least he's open about it I guess. I'd say that Nightwing having all of those weapons and contingency plans though does put a little too much power in his hands over the others. The whole point of Tower of Babel is it's not so much about Batman always needing to carry krytponite around in case Superman goes evil, as it is that Bruce needs to feel in control and in order to achieve that he disrespects all of his comrades agency by devising methods to control them.
THough later on Dick does have a point that it's Wally's tendency to rush off immediately without thinking because he is a speedster and therefore stretch himself too thin. IT's the right call to keep Wally close when Dick knows that he's going to get murdered soon, but it's kind of wrong to hold "I can keep you here if I want because I know your weaknesses" over his head to get him to stay.
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Dick makes another controversial decision by putting Donna in charge instead of Starfire. This is probably to give Donna a character conflict.
It's funny that Dick chose Donna over Starfire considering their track record with leadership. One of the biggest fights Donna and Dick ever had is when Dick trusted Donna with leading the team in his absence and Donna let the whole team fall apart. Basically while Dick was gone Cyborg and Beast Boy ran off, Raven was kidnapped by Brother Blood and missing for months and Donna basically sat on her hands and did nothing about it. All because Donna's greatest character flaw is being unable to live up to the perfect image that everyone else has on her.
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It sparked one of the biggest fights Dick and Donna ever had in the comics, they literally got into a fist fight over this. Anyway, in summary Donna does not have the best leadership skills. On the other hand Starfire led the Titans pretty succesfully when they were mentoring Young Justice in the 2003 comics and Dick walked away from the team.
Dick probably just made the call because it's his tendency to trust Donna with everything, due to their close friendship.
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At least it doesn't get in the way of Donna and Starfire's friendship. There's a funny little nod here to the New Teen Titans which had pretty constant inner-group conflict, to the point Cyborg would make fun of it by calling their lives a soap opera. The Titans are pretty famously a dysfunctional found family. We'll see if they keep that element in or not.
Two more things set up for future issues, number one it's Garth's turn to be brainwashed by Brother Blood this week. Garth seems like the natural choice to get brainwashed, despite being a member of the original four he's kind of been more of an outsider to the group. In the original silver age titans he felt so insecure about his place in the group he literally developed an illness and had to quit.
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The second is that it's mentioned that the explosion that started the fire is Tamaranean in origin. Considering Starfire's Tales of the Titan comic deals with her encountering a pair of sisters with a healthy relationship, and featured an off-hand mentioned of Blackfire.
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This could be foreshadowing the return of Blackfire, which I'm excited but also nervous for. Blackfire is one of my favorite villains in all of comics, but her relationship with Starfire is often reduced to "Starfire is the good one, and Blackfire is the bad one" when in the New Teen Titans it became much more complicated than that and became a pretty nuanced analysis of the conflict between a golden child and a scapegoat.
However, my hot take about Blackfire and Starfire's relationship is a rat for another post, so I'll just end things here.
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Hi! Hope this is okay, but here's a breakdown of the points on the DC post:
"yeah Connor- no, that's Conner with an e, I mean Connor with an o-" Connor is the second Green Arrow, Connor Hawke, the son of the first Green Arrow Oliver Queen. Conner is Conner Kent, more commonly known as Kon El, a clone of Superman and Lex Luthor and the first Superboy.
"So the original Teen Titans- no, not Raven, Cyborg, Beast Boy and Starfire- yeah, Speedy, Kid Flash, Aqualad and Wonder Gi- what do you mean you don't know who Wonder Girl is??" Before the more popular Titans roster seen in TV shows like Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go came about, the original "Fab Five" Teen Titans were Robin (Dick Grayson), Speedy (Roy Harper), Kid Flash (Wally West), Aqualad (Garth), and Wonder Girl (Donna Troy). Raven (Rachel Roth), Cyborg (Victor Stone), Starfire (Koriand'r), and Beast Boy/Changeling (Garfield Logan) were all introduced to the Titans roster during the New Teen Titans, after the original team had already been established.
"And then Roy- no, not that Roy- yes technically they're the same guy but they're so far removed they're basically separate characters"- the first "Roy" being refenced is the Roy Harper who existed in continuity between 1941-2011. The "not that Roy" refers to the Roy Harper present between 2011-2016, also known as the 'New 52' (referring to a series of 52 objectively terrible books that were intended to create one singular canon to fix the conflicting storylines) who is, unfortunately, significantly more popular than his cooler, older counterpart, and is often associated with the second Robin, now Red Hood, Jason Todd. (If you want to know more about the original, cooler Roy Harper, my sideblog @royboyfanpage, the OP of the DC post, is dedicated to him.)
"Green Arrow and Speedy- no, not that Green Arrow, no not that Speedy either- no the first Speedy is older than the second Green Arrow-" The first Green Arrow was Oliver Queen. The first Speedy was Roy Harper. The second Green Arrow was Connor Hawke, who is younger than Roy Harper. The second Speedy was Mia Dearden.
"...yes, there are more heroes in Gotham than just Batman, Robin, and Batgirl." The main Gotham heroes within the primary Batfamily circle are Batman (Bruce Wayne), Nightwing (Dick Grayson), Oracle/Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Red Hood (Jason Todd), Red Robin (Tim Drake), Cassandra Cain (Orphan/Black Bat), Stephanie Brown (Spoiler), Damian Wayne (Robin), and The Signal (Duke Thomas). Others include but are not limited to Huntress (Helena Bertinelli), Bluebird (Harper Row), Batwing (Luke Fox), and Batwoman (Kate Kane).
Hope this helps!
Hey man, thanks for sending me this info! I've been in a slow learning descent (Steph's become my blorbo of the month, and Cass also by extension, blorbo-in-law) so I've been learning a fair bit, but all this is super helpful, I didn't know about the new 52 Roy changes yet lol. I really appreciate it. (My entrance to DC was the Young Justice show and Justice League Unlimited so it has been a Time™️ catching up.)
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individual members of ntt react to the scenario of having to take tara to the museum for a school project when they were planning on going to the arcade with gar
Donna: "oh thank fucking zues" she mutters under her breath, before straightening up. "I mean, sorry Gar, you know school takes priority." She tries to sound sad about it but fails miserably. Gar whines for a bit about not having a beautiful girl accompanying him, and she wonders why she ever agreed to go in the first place
Wally: "I-" he wonders if this is how Dick feels - the others vying for his attention, needing his help, wanting to spend time with him. It feels good. He was going to quit on both of them, but reveling in the moment decides to simply run from place to place every 5 minutes, see Dick try that
Vic: gar starts complaining and talking over tara about how great the arcade is, Vic narrows his eyes. "You two have the same tutor, don't you?" Gar freezes, Tara smirks. "So Gar, when were you going to tell me you were blowing off your homework?" Gar gives him a sheepish grin before bolting. Vic catches him, and they all go to the museum. Gar gets the best grades he has in his entire life: something other than a zero
Kory: really wants to go to both, so she suggests going to the arcade now, and the museum tomorrow so she can maximize time and enjoyment spending a whole day at each place. It works out, she has a ton of fun, and persuades Tara to take her on the next field trips as well
Joey: wants to go with Tara to the museum, but feels guilty going back on his promise to Gar. He ends up doing both in one day like his mom would when he was young and he and his brother had conflicts. He ends up listening to Gar complain the entire time they're at the museum. It reminds him of Grant, he doesn't understand how his mom put up with this, and resolves to get her something nice for mother's day (it turns out she just brought headphones)
Raven: is overwhelmed by Gar and Tara arguing and cries on the spot and dimension shifts away for a few moments. Briefly considers returning to Peru and faking her death to avoid this. By the time she returns Gar's already left for the arcade with Vic and Tara left for the museum with Kory. She agnsts over it the rest of the day despite Gar and Tara both apologizing for yelling at her when they get back :(
Dick: "What?" He doesn't remember agreeing to take Gar to the arcade, but it wouldn't be the first time he forgot a commitment. Sure enough, it's written in his planner. "Shit." He really wanted to sleep before heading to his shift at the circus. "Can you go with Vic? And Tara, can you go with Donna?" They both refuse, as Vic and Donna are inconveniently busy. He decides to do both. They start at the museum and he falls asleep in a quiet corner, Tara and Gar get kicked out for trying to climb on the dinosaur bones, and he wakes up past closing alone, because security didn't notice him and Tara and Gar went to the arcade together and forgot about him altogether. He has no idea how tf he got here, but he got the best night of sleep he's had in two months, so he considers himself lucky
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Hullo. May I ask why Dick is blorbo? No real reason, I'm just a curious and nosy follower :D
1. Young Justice - this show was a big reason why I got back into DC, and when I was younger, Dick and Artemis were my favorite characters because they were humans among superhuman people, and I found that neat. Young Justice season 3 I liked Dicks character arc and also-
2. I'm a sucker for sadboys. I think characters look better with a bit of blood on their faces. Connecting back to young justice season 3, Dick is a major sadboy 😅 shortly after watching season 3 of young justice, i started working 60-70 hour weeks (just for 1 summer) and to get through the day i would make up stories about how i thought Dicks season 4 arcs would go (this really cemented him as blorbo)
3. An irl friend was also into young justice, she got into batfam stuff, I'd never read fanfic before, and seeing her read it at first i was like "pffft i wouldn't get into that lame stuff" and lo and behold i got curious and spiraled. There's a looooot of sadboy Dick fics out there. Like. A lot. But yeah i started out as a batfam stan rather than a titans one, and in my heart i love both and theres an internal battle that wages within me
4. At the same time (or before?) i started reading fics, i also got into the comics from Young Justice. Part of the reason i like Dick is because there's literally just so much content i can read, and i started reading and rereading his solo runs and eventually branched out into titans comics. Not all his comics appearances are good, but I like having a lot of content 😅 it helps spark ideas and gives me "i can fix it" disease
5. His relationships with people!!!! A core reason of why I love the character is all the great relationships he's had across canon. He's a big brother/mentor to Tim and Damian (with Tim i love the image of infallibility Dick has, and his slow fall off the pedestal, and with Damian they start at the bottom and build things up from scratch - i love how he has to earn Damians respect by putting in the work). His relationship with Jason especially pre-reboot is a gold mind of agnst (like. Little brother dies while you're in space and your dad doesn't bother inviting you to the funeral *screams* and blames you for his death to some extent) - the way he knew Jason and they got along fine, though they didn't interact like a ton (i see it as like. Older sibling who's in college) and then one day he's just gone, then comes back and wants to kill you and is so blinded by revenge on your dead father he will destroy everything in his path is just, so much potential here. His relationship with Bruce makes me scream. I liked the few interactions he has with Cass before she got yeeted by DC. And moving outside the family, the found family aspect of the Titans i literally love so much. I cherish his friendship with Donna, I'm a big fan of platonic m/f relationships being given importance and weight, plus again the whole "i love angst" thing was on fire when she dies. I love his relationship with Roy, the way they push one another and butt heads while still deeply trusting one another + the thinly veiled sexual tension between them (i say thinly veiled because Grace literally points it out in Outsiders). His friendship with Wally is also fun, i like reading their team ups. There's so many characters that he interacts with it just sets up so many possible stories, and i love how interconnected he is in the superhero community
6. Man vs world. I like that Dick is a (mostly - everyone has flaws, and Dick does fuck up in canon) well intentioned person struggling against the injustices of the world. That's the long way of saying "i like him because he's a hero". But part of that is like - a lot of his battles narratively fall into man vs world (especially in his solos), with a bit of man vs self here and there, and i like these categories. Most of his conflict is external, and while i like some internal conflict, i get a little bit bored when characters in comics are too introspective - like some of this i don't mind, bonus points if the internal and external conflicts are aligned in a satisfactory way, but DC comics only lets characters grow so much, so introspective stuff can get repetitive imo
There's probably more reasons but this is what i can think of off the top of my head
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