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celaenaeiln · 5 months

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Thank you so much for debunking the whole "Dick was a super angry child" thing the fandom has been pressing hard for the last few years it's one of my pet peeve characterization for him. (The other him being a Playboy) Does he get angry of course he does he's only human but he's usually very level head and even if he was the "Angry Robin" when he first started he was 8 years old and just lost his parents! I feel like anyone especially a child would be hurt and angry then but he didn't want revenge he wanted justice. He was a sweet child who just wanted to make his parents proud.

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Yes!!

Actually another anon asked me about this too a while ago - that I'll be getting back to soon - and I began writing right away but then I just couldn't. I had to put it on hold because I was overwhelmed by the sheer amount of evidence that Dick was a happy robin. Not A happy robin, THE happy robin. I was exhausted because I didn't know where to begin, there was just too much evidence. I needed to create a separate post first.

It makes me so mad when i see Angry Dick Grayson posts because it's not even an interpretation of events. There's nothing to debate, there's no doubt, there's no question, there's no confusion, there's nothing to contest - HE WASN'T AN ANGRY ROBIN.

Jason says it himself! And unlike people in the fandom who've never read a comic in their life but like running their mouth off, he would actually know because he studied Dick. He watched all of Dick's videos when he was Robin. 11 years worth of videos. And this is what he says about Dick's robin:

Suicide Squad: Get Joker Issue #1

Jason straight up says that Dick was the happy robin. And that's just Jason. There's still Tim, Damian, Bruce, Alfred, Clark, the Justice League, and the Titans who talk about it.

Frankly it boggles my mind when I hear people who write takes say that Dick was an angry robin because even if they've never read any of the robin comics, they should at least know what he was like from what the adult characters say right? Did they really never stop and wonder why Jason keeps talking about not being Dick when he argues with Bruce? Or why Tim was so obsessed with Dick aside from knowing him from the circus? Or why Bruce writes entire monologues about how Dick saved him? Or why Alfred goes on massive rants about how Dick was the best thing ever to happen to Bruce and him or why he started crying and mourning when Dick merely left as Robin? Did no one stop to consider when they started going around saying he wasn't happy?

Honestly Angry Robin Dick Grayson characterization is a black hole of logic and intelligence.

The reason it became so popular is because it's a logical fallacy and logical fallacies sound convincing. This particular argument is the hasty generalization logical fallacy. Hasty generalization is when a statement is made after one or two examples rather than relying on extensive research to back up a claim.

For example: I got sick after eating pizza from Aleano's. Therefore, I must be allergic to pizza.

Proponents of angry robin dick characterization choose one example from decades of writing to claim that he was angry after his parents died which-seriously? Besides you'll start to notice that people who write those takes will never provide evidence because it's near possible to find something that doesn't exist. Sure one or two out of context photos might be provided but that's the best they can do to support that type of characterization. As much as we wish we were magicians from Hogwarts, no amount of wishing is going to transfigure the hundreds of comics filled with happy robin to him being an angry monster.

Also it's ridiculous that type of character because they're saying that if he's upset that his parents died, then he's an angry character. But if the Joker's happy that random people died, then he's a psycho. What do they want?! And that's not even the whole truth of it either. Dick was massively sad more than he was angry. He was taken away from his circus family and is left alone like all the time now. His life changed in a second - he's depressed. But he was able to work through it and that's how Robin was created.

Dick was not Robin when he went after Tony Zucco. The reason Bruce made him Robin was specifically because he admitted he didn't want Tony Zucco dead.

The problem is people sometimes hyperfocus so much on one detail that they forget the big picture. They centered 11 years of Robin characterization around one moment.

Let's get the facts straight. Robin is a success story. The greatness of Dick wasn't just that he was the smart, the best of the ages, and the greatest athelete - no. His greatness is that he is able to move. ON. He can do what Bruce never could. He could move on and take his parents death and turn it into something positive. He was able to overcome grief and not dwell in the past.

That's why he was able to be happy. That's why Bruce couldn't. And that's why Bruce needed Dick because Dick made him happy.

Alfred says this about Dick as Robin -

Robin: Year One Issue #1

"The addition of Dick Grayson into the Master's crusade has made a difference in him." "I do believe I saw him smile. There have been occasions in the pantry when I could just discern the muffled sounds of laughter echoeing up from that dreadful cavern beneath the manor."

People don't seem to understand. Alfred never approved Bruce's tenure as Batman. He loathed it so much he punched Bruce for it. It was Dick's light and goodness that changed Bruce's mind because he saw how happy Dick made him and how happy of a child he himself was.

And Dick? He never changed his personality in or out of costume.

Robin: Year One Issue #2

"He doesn't seem to struggle to lead a normal adolescence." "He's had no need to develop the masquerade that Master Bruce felt necessary." "His personality remains the same with or without the mask and boots. "

He's not the troubled kid some people seem to think he is. He wasn't mean or selfish or cast aside or raging moodily in a corner. Actually in the Batman (1940) and Detective Comics, he was seen as a role model for how helpful and kind he was. He was actually the one who went out of his way to help troubled kids because of his kindness, goodness, and empathy.

Checkmate (2006) Issue #14

Checkmate is a member of Task Force X under Amanda Waller and an ally of Batman's. She knows him. She knows what Dick was to him and Dick even mourns about the time when Bruce used to be happy. It was his joy and personality that did that.

Of course my argument isn't to be taken one sidedly saying he was constantly happy 24/7, all the time, in every occasion - no. Emotions are a spectrum and no one feels one emotion all the time. Thats silly. But, your personality outlook is based on what you feel most of the time. Dick sometimes got angry, sometimes got sad, etc. But in a dichotomy between happy and angry there is no doubt, no question, that he was overwhelmingly on the happy side.

There's a reason why everyone calls him happy. It's because for an overwhelming majority of the time, he was the happy robin.

52 Issue #25

Way back in the Batman (1940) comic Dick says, "I became Robin, history's first sidekick. And there I was, the laughing boy daredevil--"

Batman and Robin (2009) Issue #9

You can call him crazy, excitable, feral, overexcellent, etc. But never forget that Bruce once went insane after locking himself in a simulator that emulated Robin Dick Grayson's joy.

The incontestable truth - Dick was a happy robin.

#dick grayson #robin dick grayson #nightwing #jason todd #red hood #robin jason todd #bruce wayne #batman #alfred pennyworth #cyril sheldrake #knight #batman dick grayson #checkmate #cl confusedhummingbird asks #thanks for the ask!#biggest pet peeve

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armed-with-a-waffle-iron · 2 months

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One of the best parts of Batman and Robin is how Cameron Stewart draws comicbook action

Also there's just something about his Dick Grayson, so much earnestness in his face.

They're beautifully drawn, the panels are used in funky ways, the fights are short but he pulls you into every second, there's this crazy sense of fluidity and movement, and (maybe just me) but I can genuinely understand what's going on; like it's not just visual gibberish where you shrug and nod along to the finishing punch.

Batman and Robin #7, 8, 9 & 16

#i adore his dick grayson so much OMG #cameron stewart #batman #batman and robin #batman and robin 2009 #dick grayson #damian wayne #kate kane #cyril sheldrake #beryl hutchinson #bruce wayne #dc comics #comics #bat family #batfam #comic art #art #grant morrison

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zal-cryptid · 1 year

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DC characters - The Knight (Cyril Sheldrake)

#knight #dc characters #dc #dc comics #Cyril Sheldrake #bat family #batman incorporated #british #global guardians #dc heroes #superhero #dc multiverse #earth two

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nitpickrider · 1 year

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Gotta love the heroes closing ranks when shit hits the proverbial apocalyptic fan.

No matter what else, they're there to save people.

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the-antiapocalyptic-man · 1 year

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Britain’s Finest at their Worst, Part One: Stormcloud, Dr. Salt, Godiva, and The Knight

Popularly known in his heyday as “Cap’n Blighty” Gulliver “Gully” Troy had been a war hero turned thief until the machinations of one Dr. John Salt transformed him into one of Britain’s most powerful (government-controlled) metahumans. His wife, Melanie, left him after years of abuse and moved to America. Gully and Melanie’s granddaughter would go on to become the Gotham Rogue Breathplay.

Dr. Salt himself--an avowed Fascist in the Raven League, itself the basis of the Raven Union and eventually the infamous Norsefire Regime--was beaten to near death shortly after turning Troy into Stormcloud. Rebuilt with early, pre-Stone cybernetics, Salt was stronger than a normal human, but still largely relied on his political connections to function as little more than a petulant crime boss.

Socialite Dorcas Leigh, a metahuman with the ability to control her own prehensile character--much like the Major Comics villain of the same name who fought the Maximums, many years later--fought with Stormcould and Knight against the Raven Union in the Second English Civil War, as well as maintaining a brief romance with Cyril, much to Gully’s chagrin. There’s speculation she may have some ties to the Amazons, but other sources claim her origins lie elsewhere...in Suffragette City...

Cyril Sheldrake, heir to the Knight (separate from Shining Knight, White Knight, Green Knight or any others besides), he inherited his father’s spot in the Batmen of Many Nations (later Batman Inc.) as well as a bunch of other responsibilities he didn’t particular want or ask for. Nonetheless, he was brave to a fault, and his metahuman allies would remember him fondly even after his death years later and the ascension of his Squire, Beryl, to the role.

#dc #headverse #fanart #gully troy #capn blighty #stormcloud #john salt #godiva #dorcas leigh #knight #cyril sheldrake

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comicsiswild · 1 year

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Batman Incorporated (2012) #0

#batman incorporated #batman #bruce wayne #knight #the knight #cyril sheldrake #dc #dc comics

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dikfingro · 2 years

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International Kissing Day 2022

Batman (Bruce Wayne) & Nightwing (Dick Grayson)

Elongated Man (Ralph Dibny) & Sue Dibny

Red Hood (Jason Todd) & Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)

TNT (Thomas N. “Tex” Thomas) & Dyna-Mite (Daniel Dunbar)

Shy Crazy Lolita Canary & Batman Japan (Osamu Jiro)

Knight (Cyril Sheldrake) & Squire (Beryl Hutchinson)

#brudick #jaybabs #ralph & sue dibny married detectives #tex thomas x dan dunbar #shy crazy lolita canary x osamu jiro #cyril sheldrake x beryl hutchinson #dickbru #brucedick #dickbruce

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kuramauzumaki18-blog · 2 years

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Membros da Batfamilia // Members of the Batfamily

1 Helena Wayne (filha Biológica/Morreu aos 3 anos)(Biological daughter/died at age 3)

2 Richard "Dick" Grayson (adotado)(Adopted)

3 Barbara Gordon

4 Jason Todd (adotado)(adopted)

5 Timothy "Tim" Drake (adotado/emancipado)(Adopted/emancipated)

6 Stephanie Brown (guarda compartilhada)(shared custody)

7 Cassandra "Cass" Cain (adotada)(adopted)

8 Damian Al Ghoul Wayne (Biológico/guarda compartilhada com Dick)(Biological/shared custody with Dick)

9 Athanasia Al Ghoul Wayne (Biológica/guarda compartilhada com Jason)(Biological/shared custody with Jason)

10 Helenna Bertineli

11 Harper Row (adotada)(adopted)

12 Cullen Row (adotado)(adopted)

13 Matthew "Matt" McGinnis (Biológico)(Biological)

14 Terrence "Terry" McGinnis (Biológico)(Biological)

15 Jarro (adotado)(adopted)

16 Alina Wayne (adotada?/biológica?)(adopted?/Biological?)

17 Julia Pennywhort

18 Duke Thomas (adotado)(adopted)

19 Claire Clover

20 Henry Clover

21 Carrie Kelly (adotada)(adopted)

22 Bruce Wayne Jr. (Biológico)(Biological)

23 Ibn al Xu'ffasch (Biológico)(Biological)

24 Mara Al Ghul

25 Azriel

26 Luke Fox

27 Robin robot

28 Mary Kyle (adotada/Selina abandonou ela na porta da mansão)(Adopted/Selina abandoned her at the door of the mansion)

29 Brad (Biológico/headcanon)(Biological)

30 Brittany (Biológica/headcanon)(Biological)

31 Andreia Price Wayne (Biológica/morta)(biological/dead)

32 Miracle Molly

33 Maps Mizoguchi

34 Bao Pham

33 Herege (Biológico?/morto?/vivo?/os dois?)(Biological?/Dead?/alive?/zombie?)

34 Katrina Falcone (adotada?)(adopted?)

35 Billy Batson (headcanon)

36 Rachel / Ravena (headcanon)

37 Elissa Price Wayne(biológico)(Biological)

38 Aion Kyle Wayne (Biológico)(Biological)

39 Kull Price Wayne (Biológico)(Biological)

40 Kiki Wayne (biológica)(Biological)

41 Tallant Al Ghoul Wayne (biológico)(Biological)

42 Katherine "Kate" Kane

43 Elizabeth "Bete" Kane

44 Mary "Bette" Elizabeth Kane

45 Selina Kyle

46 Alfred Pennywhort

47 Minhkhoa Khan

48 Harley Francis Quinzel

49 Pamela Isley

50 James Gordon

51 Renee Montoya

52 Harvey Bullock

53 Harvey Dent

54 Harriet Cooper

55 Miles O'hara

56 David Zavimbe

57 Roy Kane

58 George Cross

59 Cyril Sheldrake

60 Charles Great

61 Santiago Vargas

62 Beryl Hutchinson

63 Homem dos morcegos

64 Ranger

65 Johnny Riley

66 Jiro Osamu

Animais:

1 Ace.(Bruce)

2 Iris (Selina)

3 Titus (Damian)

4 Alfred (Damian)

5 Batcow (Damian)

6 Fido o dinossauro robô (headcanon)(Bruce)

7 Mogo (Bruce)

8 Bochechas (Cassandra)

9 Jerry (Damian)

10 Zitcka (pelúcia/Plush)(Dick)

11 Sally (Jason)

12 Monty (headcanon/alien pizza)(Tim)

13 Bobb (Stephanie)

14 Golias (Damian)

15 Hipo (Duke)

16 Bruce fish (Damian)

17 Karl (Harper/Cullen)

18 Bruce Bat (Cassandra/Stephanie)

16 biológicos/Biological + 13 adotados/adopted. = 29 filhos/Sons.

#batman #Batfamilia #hq #membros da Batfamilia #robin #parceiros do Batman #super-heróis #superhero #animais #batanimais #hq hcs

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phoenixlionme · 2 years

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BATFAM Part 2

1. Alina Shelley-Wayne aka Sparrow

2. Jace Fox aka Batman of Future State

3. Athanasia al Ghul aka Blackbird

4. Harleen Quinnzel aka Harley Quinn - post dumping Joke and getting with Poison Ivy

5. Pamela Isley aka Poison Ivy - post getting with Harley Quinn

6. Leslie Thompkins

7. Alyisa Yeoh - although, she more of Barbara’s ally

8. Frankie Charles aka Operator - although, she more of Barbara’s ally

9. Renee Monotya

10. Helena Bertinelli aka Huntress

11. Vicki Vale

12. Silver St. Cloud

13. Bat-Mite

14. Harvey Bullock

15. Maggie Sawyer

16. Jack Ryder aka The Creeper

17. Dr. William Great Eagle aka Chief Man-Of-Bats

18. Charles Great Eagle aka Raven Red

19. Bao Pham aka Clownhunter

20. Claire Clover aka Gotham Girl

21. Jarro

22. Julia Pennyworth

23. Johnny Riley aka Dark Ranger

24. George Cross aka The Hood

25. Cyril Sheldrake aka Squire I/Knight II

26. Beryl Hutchinson aka Squire II/Knight III

27. Amina Eluko aka Squire III

28. Harold Allnut

29. Holly Robinson

30. Eiko Hasigawa

31. Calvin Rose aka Talon

32. Isis the Cat - Selina’s pet cat

33. Bette Kane aka Batwoman I/Hawkfire

34. Cullen Row

35. Ryan Wilder aka Batwoman - from the arrowverse Batwoman show on CW

NOTE: If I missed anyone, please add on but be respectful.

#dc #batfam #lists #fam appreciation #my posts #favfams

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barbie0303 · 2 years

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31 Days of Dick (Grayson)

Day 19. Panel of another character talking about Dick

New Teen Titans (1980) #28

Batman (1940) #682

Batman and Robin (2009)#9

New Titans Annual 7

#31DOD #dick grayson #nightwing #bruce wayne #batman #dickbats #donna troy #wonder girl #Cyril sheldrake #knight #the last one #I remember seeing it in a blog like 5 years ago when I started reading Nightwing comics #and I was like Yeah this one is cool #the annual’s story sucks because it’s Team Titans stuff but that quote is 10/10 #I´m always a sucker for people describing Dick as Robin #the one with Donna is probably my favorite

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autistic-damian-wayne · 3 years

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Yeah that sounds like Dick

(Batman and Robin (2009) #9)

#dick grayson #knight and squire #batman #dc comics #batman and robin #crow reads comics #crow reads batman and robin 2009 #cyril sheldrake #beryl hutchinson

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blanddcheadcanons · 4 years

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(DC Bombshells) Cyril Sheldrake was the British heavyweight boxing champion off-and-on throughout the 1910s and 20s. He fought Ted Grant twice for the world championship but lost by KO each time. In 1937, his young protege Beryl Hutchinson won the women's British batamweight title.

#dc bombshells #cyril sheldrake #knight #squire #ted grant #wildcat #beryl hutchinson

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i-r-readcomics · 5 years

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