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phoenixyfriend · 3 years

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Time Travel ft. Leia and Vader

(Helped by @atagotiak)

I was reading a bunch of different time travel fics, and my brain slotted in that one "Vader hands over the Empire to Leia and is now her most devoted sycophant" dynamic and mixed it with the "Luke and Vader time-travel and Vader does the right thing but only because it would make Luke sad if he didn't."

I landed on "Leia time travels to prequels era, but her least favorite family member has also traveled with her, though it takes him a few months to find her because he has less resources without the entire Imperial Navy, but he's still a scary Sith in all black with a breathing mask and intimidating cape."

"Tiny angry lady who wants to force democracy and her giant Sith father whom she hates but has resigned herself to pointing at threats like a tank who inexplicably loves her" is a delightful dynamic.

The first few months included a lot of concern about "why do you know so much about Sith if you're not trained or looking to be one" and then Vader shows up and calls her 'daughter' and she insults him and it's like "Oh. That explains it."

Council Member: We have a Sith in the Temple. Vader: Former Sith. Leia: Listen. He is your best chance against Sidious. Also, do you want Dooku dead? Vader can make him dead. Council Member: Your father i-- Leia, scrunching up her face: Don't call him that.

Like Leia is deep in conversation when the Temple starts panicking because Vader just. Showed up? He snuck in, somehow? So Palpatine wouldn't catch him on video entering through the front door? And people try to keep her away from the trouble, because there's an entire array of Jedi Masters to deal with this Surprise Sith, except she can sense exactly which Sith it is and once she shouts "oh you have got to be kidding me!" she just starts running and, well, it's Leia. Nobody can stop her.

(Leia does have less combat training, at least less force-assisted combat training, than the Jedi. But then the Jedi don’t want to hurt here here. She's not fighting her way down, either, she's just running really fast and all the best fighters already left. They had a head start. So Leia's mostly running past random padawans and the like.)

She shoves her way to the front of the group of Masters who. Well, they're certainly ready to attack. But Vader is just standing there. Doing nothing. Still intimidating as fuck but he's not doing anything.

And then Leia bursts onto the scene like "You motherfucker."

She hits her head on a clipboard and whines because UGH he's a walking WMD and they could REALLY use him against Palpatine but also. She hates him so much.

She tries to hand him off to the Jedi council but he insists that he will only take orders from Leia herself.

Jedi: Wait, what. Leia, completely ignoring them: Did you follow me here? Vader, through the mechanical wheezing: I have no loyalty to my master and no empire to serve. You are all that I have left. Leia: Me? Me? I'm all that you have left? You committed a genocide that killed all the family I had except for the twin brother you later mutilated! Jedi: Wait what Vader, going to one knee: I pledge my loyalty and blade to you and only you, daughter. Leia, ready to explode: I. I just. Jedi, some of whom really want to say things but are slowly realizing that they just accidentally acquired a Sith Lord by proxy: What. Leia: I hate you so much but I can't even get rid of you, you're too useful. Vader: I live to serve. Leia: Yeah. Got that. Fuck. Someone get him a full medical rundown, I don't know the last time that mess of a life support system was updated. Jedi, agitated again: WHAT Leia: Listen, I don't like him, but I'm not stupid enough to throw away the second most dangerous person in the universe when I can point him at the most dangerous person in the universe. Especially not if he's going to listen to me. Jedi: But... he's a Sith. Leia: Please trust me when I say this: you might be able to take him down eventually, but he will take dozens of you down with him, and right now he's... honestly, I'm pretty sure he's more depressed than malicious. Jedi: You hate him. I can feel it. Leia: Yes, but I can be professional about it. Vader: They have not yet d-- Leia: Nope! No talking! Not until I've had a chance to process this mess!

There is a whole lot of Leia snapping at Vader to stop it whenever he starts giving off vibes like he wants to take the most violent shortcut possible.

She is not the gentle hand that Luke would be.

Leia isn't a Jedi or working for them but she's wormed her way into being an ally. They don't 100% trust her, especially not with Vader just showing up and declaring her family but like

How do you say no to a WMD walking into your house and saying "I will fight the monster you cower from at night."

There's a lot of Leia snapping off an admonishment that sounds just a little too odd and then when questioned she just says "He knows what he did."

tbh I'm not sure how long it takes for them to tell anyone that Anakin is Vader. They might hold it off in hopes that Anakin can just retire to be Mr. Amidala after the war is over.

Well, Leia hopes. Vader just lets Leia make that call and then glowers at his younger self every time they're in the same room.

I do feel like Leia tells Obi-Wan the truth first

Imagine. Imagine a Vader who’s past still isn’t known. But has gotten somewhat comfortable around the Jedi (not really but the bar for what counts and comfortable for him is low). And Obi-Wan habitually banters with darksiders, right? If Vader’s guard is down for a moment and he, without thinking, references an inside joke...

Might be the most fun in terms of ways to tell Obi-Wan "We're time travelers and Vader is what happens if you let Palpatine drive Anakin off the edge"

If Vader has decided to pledge himself to her orders after destroying her planet, then fine. She can work with that. She's not going to be happy about it, but she can make it work.

The Jedi Temple hates having Vader anywhere nearby but he is actually very good at hiding himself from people, including Palpatine And for all that Leia seems perpetually irritated with her apparent bodyguard, he does seem to listen to her.

Jedi council: We still haven't figured out how to handle Dooku Leia: Do you know his location? Jedi council: Yes. Leia: [sigh] Leia: Vader, deal with it. Alive if possible.

(Leia does need to clarify an acceptable level of violence against the people protecting Dooku.) (She needs to clarify... many things.)

Leia always says "Vader" and one time a poor fool just asks why she doesn't call him dad and she snarls out "He is not the man that raised me, and I am glad for it."

Someone less foolish later prods more compassionately and she lets them know she was adopted and didn't properly meet Vader except in passing until she was nineteen.

"And then he tortured you." "And then he tortured me, yes." "Damn." "Didn't even find out we were related until a few years later when he chopped my brother's arm off." "You... wow." "I know."

At least one exchange that is L: You mean when you tortured me? A: He did what. V: I was not aware of our relation at that time. L: Not the point! I am fully aware of your interrogation methods and I refuse to let you be the one to acquire the evidence for-- A: Wait no go back he tortured you? L: Move on, please, we already have. A: That means I'm... oh Force, I'm going to torture my own daughter what in the actual fu-- L: We're moving on.

(“I end up torturing my own daughter” If Leia’s feeling especially spiteful I can see her saying “you mutilate your own son too”)

Concept: Leia is very free with traumatizing details of her past re:Vader and Anakin thinks that it sucks but doesn’t think much of it bc Sith. And then some time later he finds out...

(I love characters who use the traumatizing details of their past to shut down conversations.)

It's such a wonderfully horrifying concept for him to try to awkwardly comfort this girl he kind of knows because having a Sith for a dad sounds like it would suck and Leia seems nice, even if she's kind of weird and uncomfortable around Anakin, but he saw her flinch around a few other tall people wearing black robes the way she stiffens around Vader so maybe it's just that!

It is not.

Vader does get a significant amount of medical treatment. Including a bunch of "holy shit, that's a lot of drugs" and similar. There is so much lightning damage.

hnnng I'm just really in love with the image of Tiny Tiny Leia sitting behind a desk for some fancy negotiation, the picture of professionalism, while Vader just stands behind her shoulder, looming, glaring expressionless death at whoever came to speak with his baby girl.

Not that he would call her that, because she'd just hate him more and he's really not sure how to fix that problem, other than doing whatever she asks with no complaints and hoping she appreciates it.

Vader: [looks at children wandering by, has complicated emotions] Leia, tired of his shit: What now? Vader: I killed them, once. Leia, closing her eyes and taking a deep breath: And you're not going to do that again. No killing children. Vader: I know that. Leia: Great. I am... regretting asking. I am so very much regretting asking.

I do really like the idea of someone asking Leia once if she wants Jedi training and she says, no, actually, she's fully aware of the fact that she's angry little ball of hate sometimes, especially towards her bio father, and she'd like to refrain from putting herself in a position where she knows enough about the Force to Fall. She wouldn't Fall. But it does make people shut up.

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smhalltheurlsaretaken · 3 years

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Hey! I literally love your last post so much but I'm confused about the rebels bit (never watched it). How does Rebels criticize the jedi? Thanks!

Aw, thank you! (Lol, this is such an old ask I don’t remember what that post was, but here goes).

Well in s2 Ahsoka, Kanan (a survivor from Order 66) and Ezra (his Padawan) all go to an old Jedi Temple to talk to Yoda about Vader and his Inquisitors (Darksiders who hunt the few remaining Jedi and kidnap Force sensitive kids). Yoda is only there spiritually and the three of them get different visions. Ahsoka sees Anakin as Vader, and Kanan has to fight several enemies and eventually admit he can't protect his Padawan from the world, only guide him (which prompts the vision to finally make him a Jedi Knight, as he survived Order 66 as a Padawan.)

And Ezra... Ugh. Ezra had a previous encounter with Yoda, in which he got his lightsaber crystal. Basically Yoda asked him why he wanted to be a Jedi, and Ezra had to do some self-examination and eventually realized that helping and protecting people made him feel alive, which greatly pleased Yoda who told him he might become a Jedi after all. That's a really great exchange and I love the character development Ezra gets, as he starts by saying he wants never to feel powerless and eventually realizes that's not the right answer.

But in this second encounter, as Ezra asks how they can defeat the Inquisitors, Yoda basically says that fighting is rarely the right path. And to illustrate that, he says that line about the Jedi being arrogant and joining the war swiftly "in their arrogance," which really bothers me. He also says they were "consumed by the Dark Side", which is why they're now gone. In all fairness, he also mentions that they were motivated by fear, which is partially true.

Now, I write analyses and I try to be intellectually honest about them, because ignoring contradicting stuff weakens your argument instead of helping you. Except this time, I really can't accept this quote. I have an excuse, Lucas wasn't involved in Rebels so it's not the highest canon in my opinion (the 6 movies + TCW are, here are the quotes justifying my position), and I feel like that assertion is out of character for Yoda, ignoring his ST ghost appearances, and also plainly factually incorrect.

I understand that Ezra really needed to be taught not to always seek to fight. At this point, he's still an emotional kid who occasionally struggles with the Dark Side. Not fighting is important to a Jedi's path, so I can understand Yoda's intention. But the example he uses? According to Lucas, the Jedi were drafted in the war. That's not jumping into a conflict out of arrogance, that's literally being dragged there against your will. And sure, there’s Geonosis, but how exactly is rescuing a bunch of your people that’s getting slaughtered by a Sith Lord the same thing as arrogantly jumping into a fight? Like, what’s the option here? Not go, and let an innocent Senator and a bunch of Jedi be murdered?

It's like Rebels!Yoda isn't acknowledging that the war was fake and that a Sith Lord engineered it as the perfect trap (which is recurring problem in Rebels; at one point Ezra, Kanan and Rex have to fight an old Separatist tactical droid and Ezra "solves" the Clone Wars by pointing out that nobody won except the Empire, so really they were on the same side all along, and he gets praised for doing what "a bunch of Jedi, senators and Clones couldn't do," ie getting both sides to talk to each other – except wtf??? setting aside that the Jedi and Rex were aware of the war being fake by the end of it, and that the Separatists were openly led by a Sith Lord and attempted to commit genocide several times in TCW and did commit mass murder, and reduced like several worlds to slavery or starvation and were backed by the worst big corporations you could imagine, the war would NOT have ended if the two sides had tried talking it out. 1) The Senate made it illegal 2) the big corporations arranged for terrorist attacks on both sides the one time they tried to negotiate so the war would drag on and they'd get more money out of it 3) Sidious. Was. Controlling. Everything. What. The. Heck. Would. Have. Been. Accomplished. By. Negotiating.) Plus the question of whether or not the Jedi should even fight is like... constantly raised by the Jedi during TCW, so I really can’t see it as “oh wow we didn’t even take the time to think and we got killed because of it, we really sucked.”

Seriously, there’s this S6 quote:

MACE: Are you sure we are taking the right path? YODA: The right path, no. The only path, yes. Designed by the Dark Lord of the Sith, this web is. For now, play his game, we must.

Like yeah, totally rushing in and being eager to fight lol. Nothing to do with being boxed in and having no alternatives.

So yeah that's bothers me and I don't think it jibes with the rest of canon. I don't remember Yoda telling Luke (who, in the beginning, is as eager to fight as Ezra is) that the Jedi "disappeared" because of some fault of their own, or because of an eagerness to fight. (Seriously, pussyfooting around the fact that the Jedi were slaughtered grates me.) The OT never, ever, ever implies that the destruction of the Jedi Order was their fault - and unless you assume that the OT is “pro-Jedi propaganda” (*laughs in dumb youtube comments*) then I don’t see Rebels weaving it into its narrative as legitimate.

Again, choosing alternatives to fighting is a great lesson on a personal level, but it doesn't work on the scale of the Rebels/Empire conflict - or the Jedi/Sith one. Ezra should often choose not to fight because of what it'll do to his soul. The Rebels should not stop fighting because there is no cohabitation with something as evil as the Empire. Imo Yoda is always presented as wise enough to know the difference.

The last thing that makes me think it's out of character is Yoda's spiritual journey in TCW s6. He gets all of his flaws thrown into his face and has to conquer them – he has to face his literal Dark Side and he wins. And yet at no point during that arc is he ever made to conquer his ‘Jedi arrogance’ or whatever. He has to face his worst fear (first vision, all the Jedi dying), let go of his attachments (second vision, him having to accept that he can’t live in a perfect world where everything is beautiful and no one is dead), and reaffirm who he is as a Jedi (third vision, refusing to give up on Anakin and trying to save him rather than to kill Sidious) but at no point is he ever made to recognize that wow, the Jedi are the worst for fighting.

I’d argue that the very purpose of the visions showing him Order 66 and Anakin falling are to make him accept that these things are completely beyond his control - and as such, not his fault. He doesn’t get to fix things, because the fate of the Order is not in their own hands. It is, in fact, in Anakin’s (from a thematical/narrative standpoint). Yoda has a hard time with it (actually he almost shuts down when he first sees everybody dead and his first reaction is to say that he failed them, so I can’t accept Yoda blaming his grandkids for dying) but he accepts it in the end, when he tells Mace and Obi-Wan he’s not certain one ever wins a war, but they might still find ‘victory for all time’ (referring to balance aka Sidious’ death in RotJ).

So anyway that’s my beef with Rebels!Yoda. Not hate on Rebels though, there are many parts of it that I really, really love - but some of them kinda infuriate me, and this is one of them.

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a-reasonforthoughts · 4 years

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My thoughts on the Rise of Skywalker, because quarantine forced me to finally watch it. !!!!Spoilers!!!!!

Growing up, Star Wars was my childhood. My sisters and I read all the books (including the comics) and we packed the Essential Guides with us everywhere. Because for our deep love of the Extended universe, when the last few movies came out we had... mixed emotions. I didn’t even see the last movie when it came out after hearing some less than stellar reviews. So here’s my review, or rather my reactions to the Rise of Skywalker. (Yes, I actually sat down with paper and pen and watched this movie.) Title craw: The DIABOLICAL First Order.

‘The Emperor has returned.’ Wow, the are expecting us to go along with a lot aren’t they.

Cool. Kylo wrecking everything.

Yay, a planet that isn’t snow, desert, or forest. Hold on tight kids, they’re throwing us right into this one. We’re already at Palpatine’s house. Ew. Whats with the tank?

Whoa eyes! What’s up with his lips? Can someone bring this fossil a drink?

Imperial March playing while a Star Destroyer rises in the back ground. Is this Vader’s old ship? Rey is “Not who we thought she is.” Thought she was “Nothing”?

Ew, what is Klaud, and why is he here?

Who are all these people on the Falcon? “How do we thank you?” “Win the war.” aren’t you all on the same team? Why do you need to thank him? Cool, another planet thats not snow, desert, or a forest. Never mind.

Oh great, Rey’s here. Looks like the Lightsaber is fixed. I know the names of a bunch of these plants! When Luke was training with the ball thing (Training remote) he was just trying to deflect the shots. Rey’s trying to take down the whole forest.

You sure you want to destroy that thing Rey? There can’t be to many of them laying around Who are all these people? Why’s the Falcon on FIRE?! Since when is “Light-speed skip” a thing? Seriously. Who are all these people? I thought after the last movie there was only like, 10 of them left. Hey! It’s Merry from Lord of the Rings!

What’s this old orange doing here?

“Sith Way-finder” Sigh. Are Poe and Rey a “thing”? Are Finn and Rey a “thing”? Why’s everyone here but R2? There he is. Why did they not bring him?!

Now I’m watching a Planet of the Apes crossover.

That guy who was on the same team is dead now. His blood is clear so the rating doesn't go up. Well, Hux is certainly different.

Someone must have taken his hair gel because his hair was never this poofy before. Is this a Holi Festival, or Burning man.

Why are we learning the name of this random kid? Rey just walked away from her, what was that? Yay! The force link is still there!

Kylo is giving off stalker vibes. It’s nice to see him growing into his role of Supreme Leader. Looks like everyone hates him. Wait- Who is this guy?! Why are they following a stranger!

It’s LANDO Oh, so Rey know’s who Lando is, but thought Luke was a myth. Makes sense. Boom. First order is here.

Lando: “My flying days are over.” Why? “Give Leia my love.” Ew. Wait, why is Lando out here? Did Luke just leave him? He said he came here with him. Has the emotional issues of being abandoned by Luke led him to never fly again? Is this a parallel story to Rey’s abandonment? What’s the motive here movie! They made it even harder for these Storm Troopers to see out of those helmets.

3PO is getting a lot of lines. Rey *is distracted* Ship *Blows up* Now they have sinking sand. WAS THAT ALMOST A CONFESSION?! This guy just says, “The Falcon is not responding.” when asked, and they’re like “Don’t be such a downer!” Oh yay, they survived. Kay, we’re just brushing over Finn’s almost confession. I’m sure they’ll come back to that later. *Cough* Okay, that flashlight bit was funny.

How do you know that’s the guy you’re looking for? That could be anybody’s skeleton! How’d they find a knife that neither Luke, or Lando (who might have been here for 20 years) could find! Rey’s making friend’s with the basilisk.

She just transferred some of her life force to the snake! Why!? This old ship they found in the desert still works. “Chewie, tell Rey we got to go!” Why can’t you do it? You’re not doing anything. Axe. Here comes lover boy. How to Breathe, the movie, by Rey.

Trailer shot.

Was he just gonna run her over?

Cool, she’s pulling the ship out of the sky. Uh oh, helmet’s off, there goes her focus.

Now they’re playing tug-a-war with the ship. It’s the light saber fight all over again. Whoa!!! She juST LIGHTING’D THE SHIP! Kylo Looked freaked out for a second! She just told Finn she had a vision of her and Kylo together, and he looks like he’s gonna cry. 3PO tells them how horrible and dangerous it is to override a droid’s programming. “Let’s do that!” That droid looks like a yoga wheel and a hairdryer.

Rey to the new droid: “Someone treated him badly. It’s alright, you’re with us now.” Yeah, just don’t watch what we’re about to do to this other droid.

Looks like we’re adding another girl to this love triangle (hexagon?) She’s not supposed to be a Mandalorian is she. (So help me-) I hate you and I’m going to turn you in *Hit’s her over the head and pulls out a lightsaber* Okay, lets go.

Why they so mad at Poe for being a smuggler? Wow. They are forcing C-3PO to do this. Backup his memory to the hairdryer! It’s got to have a reason for being here! C-3PO “Oh! I just had an idea of something else we could try-” ZAP! ...Was that supposed to be funny? These writers need to learn what humor is, and when to use it. Why are we focusing on Poe and his old girlfriend the Power Ranger? Wah! What’s up with 3PO’s eye’s? Is he a Sith droid now? Why does he have that function?!

Rey, you’re boyfriend’s here. They wiped 3PO’s memory and he doesn’t know who anyone is, but he’s still polite. Poe angrily points “That’s gonna be a problem!” Our heroes ladies and gentleman. I hope the First Order just blast them. That Admiral’s badge just let them in? Like no one reported that missing?? Wiped 3PO’s memory and they’re getting the dagger anyway. Worst rescue ever.

Vaders Helmet has had a hard life. Rey has a vision in every scene she's in.

More ‘Rey’s family history’ with Kylo “Tell me where you are,” She’s in your room dude.

R.IP. Vader Helmet

That Stormtrooper behind Kylo must be so confused. *Sees helmet, breaks link* “She’s in my quarters!” Told you so. Why is Hux the spy? When did this happen? What does he think the outcome of this will be?

3PO just wandering the halls with a crossbow.

“You are a Palpatine.” Wanna be a Solo? Is this like his fourth proposal? OooooOOOOooo, that was cool! Kylo standing in the blast of the Falcon’s engines was a moment we needed!

Yikes! They took out Hux fast! They didn’t want to question him or anything? No?

The Death Star was blasted to smithereens, why is it here? How is it here?

They made that dagger to line up with the wreckage? I’m pretty sure things that are constantly beat by the ocean will move or erode over time. Who even made that? What was the purpose?!

Yay, another scavenger Who’s also a ex-Stormtrooper, because why not.

That’s a horse covered in a rug. Rey’s out trying to kill herself again.

“There’s another Skimmer!” Wonder who that is. He is literally following her to the ends of the galaxy.

Wait- The throne rooms still in one piece?! The chair and everything?!!! Dark Rey- YIKES! TEETH

I thought he stopped the holocron with his foot, I was really surprised when fingers formed and he picked it up.

Kylo acting so cool as she’s trying to slash him to ribbons. I see Merry again! Wait- What’s Leia got to do? And why does Maz know? They’ve never explained what this strange orange is and what she can do.

Finn’s in deep- Wait how'd he get out here?????

Leia don’t distract your son while he’s fighting for his life!

SEE!!!!!!!

“I wanted to take your hand. Ben’s hand.” You think he’s going to leave you alone after that?

Why is Rey just a total mess in every movie.

Chewie mourning Leia is a good touch. It’s nice to see the reaction of someone who ACTUALLY knew her. Whoa! They got Harrison Ford to come back! That must have taken a lot of bribery (or blackmail).

Has almost dying given Kylo/Ben the power to see non-Force user ghost, or is he just going nuts? So this is just a rehash of Han’s death scene.

Aw, he called him Dad- Hey don’t throw that away, you need that!

He’s nuts. Those red helmets look stupid. Aaaaand it’s the Death Star again Merry in the background! Why’d they make Poe the General? Lando finally got off that planet

“General.” “General.” She’s burning his ship. Good luck Kylo/Ben.

You know how hot that fire has got to be to burn metal “A Jedi weapon should be treated with more respect.” You brat.

Why did he have Leia’s lightsaber here? “...it would be picked up again, by someone who would finish her journey.” Oooookay, but why not just have her take Luke’s old Saber? It’s gotta be laying around here somewhere.

I know it’s symbolic and all that he’s raising the x-wing, but there’s no way that thing still works.

Alright, 3PO’s memories are back. Why’d we have to go through all that? I spy Merry again! How does Poe know all this stuff about Exogol? He’s just a fountain of information over here!

“Now we take the war to them!” That’s literally what you’ve done every movie ever No one is questioning how Lando got here. Isn’t this a secret base? *Dr. Evil voice* ONE MILLION STAR DESTROYERS

Who even wrote this story line? Finn’s going with his gut and everyones just going along with it. Not like you could all die or anything. They brought the rug horses with them

How are they breathing in space!? Those red troopers still look stupid.

What’s this crowd chanting? Are they speaking Parseltoungue? “I never wanted you dead.” That’s why I told Kylo Ren to kill you.

Hang on- his plan is ‘You be the empress, and I’ll just possess you. Grandaughter.’ EW. Why would she want that? How is that a tempting offer? Someone’s gone senile. Direct quote: “I got to go do something!” “I’m coming with you!” Why do these people get attached so quickly?!

“Luke was saved by his father. The only family you have here is me.” Yeah, but I got a boyfriend who follows me everywhere!

Ben runs and jumps: “Ow.” We finally get to see the Knight’s of Ren in action! (Where have they been this whole time?) “Once you kill me I shall become apart of you!” So she could just, not kill him. Right? Oh yeah, here we go, now we got a showdown!

Well, that was anticlimactic

WHAT IS HAPPENING Poe just realized he's the worst General ever.

YO. Don’t tell your troops there is no hope! What is wrong with you??? Why isn't Lando the General? He is a lot more qualified!!!

Wait a minute!! Where were all these people when LEIA ORGANA called for help????

Wedge Antilles!!!!!! So all the life force sucking was just so Palpatine could up grade his outfit? *Flings Ben into a pit* Palpatine is so done with the Skywalkers Hey, I know these voices!!!! Aaaaand now he wants to kill her. So whats our big moment? TWO lightsabers!

Why did the make that the big epic moment? Why didn’t they have Ben run over and they do it together- It would have been perfect for his story arch! Rey: “And we” Together: “are all the Jedi!” Now she's dying. Why? Not even the writers know So Finn’s Force sensitive. Cool I guess? This is a really touching moment for them, even more so if they did anything other than fight this entire movie!

This kinda feels out of nowhere

I’M SO MAD RIGHT NOW

NOW SHE’S SMILING AND FINE. HE JUST DIED Merry’s here again and I can’t even be happy about it Now Finn has to chose between Rose and the new girl Poe’s trying to start something with his Power Ranger old flame, and she's like “Not a chance.” Now everything’s all happy like BEN DIDN’T JUST DIE. ARE WE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THIS?????????? Oh hey, it’s the Lars farm. Nobody else moved in after all these years? Now she's burying the Skywalker lightsabers in the place they all hated.

WHY IS BEN NOT HERE!!!!!!! HE WAS A MAIN CHARACTER FOR THESE MOVIES AND THEY DID HIM DIRTY!!!!!!

Well I guess they had to wrap this mess up somehow

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singswan-springswan · 4 years

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Guys wait wait so I’ve been thinking. You know the Chosen One prophecy? How this one person with no biological dad would bring ultimate balance to the Force? Well we all know it was Anakin Skywalker, right? The whole “there was no father” “literally conceived by the midi-chlorians” thing was kind of a dead giveaway. So if Anakin is the chosen one, him killing Palpatine and then himself dying was supposed to make the siths go extinct and restore balance to the Force. At least, that’s what all the Jedi seemed to think. It’s one of the last things Obi-wan says to him on Mustafar: “They said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them!”.

ONLY THAT’S NOT WHAT THE PROPHECY SAYS. If we are to go word-for-word, nowhere in the prophecy are the terms “Sith” or “Jedi” ever mentioned. Only “ultimate balance”, and that is left to the interpretation of the reader. Now, we know how the Jedi would interpret “ultimate balance”. They clearly meant for it to establish the complete end of the Sith, and all aspects of the Dark Side in the galaxy. But then would that really be balanced? The entire galaxy on the side of light? Now, that’s kind of a tricky question, so let’s clear a few things up.

The Jedi have established concepts of the Force to fit their ideology, separating it into two distinct personalities: the Light, and the Dark. But I don’t think they did this because the Light or the Dark was exclusively good or bad. Their interpretations of the Light side are some of the most strict understandings of the mind and its nature. Order, peace, selflessness, rational thinking, detachment, discipline, humility. Some of these things are good, and all of them are easy to comprehend from a pragmatic point of view. Each aspect of the Jedi code is designed to translate simple, reasonable parts of the Force into something that people can embody by dedication and choice, and subsequently use to harness power. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you have “Dark” qualities, or concepts that are harder to wrap your mind around. Passion, fear, anger, worry, vengeance, sadness, pain, and any kind of strong emotion. Are these things bad? In their own time, yes. But can they also be good? Absolutely! Passion for your work, fear of something that can harm, anger at injustice. These feelings are misused more often than not, however, and so have become associated with bad character and evil deeds. But if you really want to break down the difference between “Dark” qualities versus those of the “Light”, the former are simply more difficult to rationalize. Think pathos versus logos.

I’m pretty sure this is the reason the Jedi began discriminating against certain qualities and their “Dark” nature. It was hard to reason, and hard to understand, so they categorized them with darkness, as something obscure and unknown. In doing so, they created an imbalance in the Force, focusing only on half of the aspects of the mind, and nurturing only one half of a character, teaching that their emotional, unpredictable side was evil and needed to be subdued. They taught that anything causing emotion, such as relationships or victories and failures must be regulated closely, or completely purged from one’s life. They forbid strong feeling of any kind. If a young Jedi had any “negative” emotions, such as anger or fear, they were trained to stamp it out instead of acknowledging the cause and dealing with their problems. I don’t know about you, but I find that pretty toxic. To take away emotion is to deprive a person of part of their nature. It’s in our nature to react and respond to things with intensity. We’re physiologically, biologically, and mentally designed this way. Instead of denying this aspect of what it means to be a person, it’s far healthier to learn to guide feelings and emotions. They aren’t something we can switch on and off; they’re assets of the mind, and they need to be treated as an equally valid resource as the ability to puzzle and analyze.

I’m not saying that emotions should dictate all of our actions and thoughts. I’m not saying that just because you feel something, it’s right. What I mean, is that instead of suppressing this key part of a person like the Jedi did, it should be trained and carefully pruned so that it can inform and help process, as it was meant to.

Okay, sorry for the long rant. Now that we have that out of the way, can it really be said that “ultimate balance” is the destruction of the “Dark” side and absolute reign of the “Light”? I say no. I think balance comes when the purest aspects of both sides come together in a way that seeks to eliminate real evil, and bring true good through harmony in the Force. That being the case, does this mean that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy when he chucked Sheev down a reactor shaft and electrocuted himself to death? Again... I don’t quite think so.

Obviously Anakin died, bringing about the end of the Sith in his time, but the Jedi had also suffered a heavy blow when Order 66 happened, and all their teachings and history became extinct (sort of. Yoda and Obi-wan didn’t exactly train Luke in the strict ways of the Jedi. They adhered more to the teachings of the Light than anything). So even though Luke then tried to bring up a new generation of Force-sensitive children in the ways of the old order, it didn’t quite work out. Why? Without compounded years of the Jedi’s indoctrination, their beliefs and teachings fell flat. Because you can’t deny yourself the need to feel, and to be felt. It’s who you are. Suppressing half of your brain’s function doesn’t work.

This in particular was something I really appreciated about the sequel trilogy. Over the course of the three movies, Rey learns that not everything is black and white. That both sides have taken something good and twisted it to their own devise. We as an audience learn that both things cannot be ignored as part of our being, and that we need to acknowledge both in a healthy, proper way. What if the struggle that Vader experiences in the original trilogy was his indirect expression of the dissatisfaction he’d experienced on both sides? He hated the Jedi for taking away his right to love, but being a Sith didn’t fill the void in his heart, even for all the unlimited power he had. Luke can recognize it easily enough, but the only way he knows how to put these things into words is by using the terms he’s been taught by dead Jedi masters. Make no mistake, I love Yoda and Obi-wan, but they pass on flawed concepts that still discriminate against feeling of any kind. Didn’t they tell Luke not to go to Cloud City even if it meant saving his friends—to let go of the people he loved?

It all eventually comes to a mount with Rey, actually, who seems to be the first to realize that she can get the best of both worlds without hurting herself or anyone else. Literally in her first official battle with Kylo-Ren, she reaches out to the Force with her emotions, and that’s how she wins. But not with anger, or pain, like her opponent does. She uses fierce loyalty, and countless different kinds of love. Rey builds off the mentorship of her mother-in-law and uncle to get a foundational understanding of what it means to be connected to the Force, but then through her own adventures and findings, she learns the rest on her own. It helps that she has good morals. And that her character arc is almost a direct parallel to Luke and Anakin’s. Somehow, she makes it work, and finally, eventually, when everything comes full circle and Rey accepts the last piece of who she is—her name—there is finally balance. Not just within her. Throughout the force.

Finally, the last of the twisted teachings, cults, and practices have been extinguished, and the Force is simply the Force again. It isn’t Light or Dark, it just is. Rey just happens to connect to it—that’s all. And this, I think, is where the prophecy is finally fulfilled. It’s a little strange, you say, because Anakin wasn’t the one in Rey’s position, but it’s understandable that it took so long, because the Sith and the Jedi and everything in between had lasted for thousands of years. And Anakin did have a cornerstone role. He was the first to really challenge the concept of Light versus Dark. He was the first to take aspects of both and use them for good. And of course, he started a family that literally shook the foundations of the galaxy and eventually led to Rey (not to mention he was a Force ghost for the entirety of the sequel series, able to interact with the physical world as well, and no doubt being able to influence the senses and experiences of some more direct characters).

Anyway, wow. That was a really long rant. Thanks for reading; I’m sorry if I bored you. I just really needed to process a bit myself lol. I mean I complain about writing papers for school but—anyway. So yep! That’s my breakdown of thoughts on the prophecy, and Anakin’s involvement and all that. I hope you enjoyed, and once again thank you for coming to my TedTalk *insert lenny face*

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SPOILERS FOR STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER.

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TROS.

Four weeks later. Anybody still care what I think?

Okay, anything I think needs to be tempered by this: I went in spoiled. For just about everything. Not intending to, but I saw the biggest spoiler accidentally (KR dies) and I couldn’t deal with any ambiguity on that one, so I hunted down every spoiler hint available to see if that was true. And I disliked almost everything I heard—Palpatine’s return, Rey Palpatine, Ben’s death, very little Rose. I was so, so, so prepared to hate everything (except the promise of Reylo and a Reylo kiss—take what we can get). I went into the theater thinking, “Ugh. Let’s get this over with.”

Fellow Reylos, I loved it. Maybe that was because I was spoiled? I maintain and will maintain that Palpatine’s return was dumb. I also maintain Palpatine lied. But my attitude to all the things I didn’t like was, “Well, if they were gonna do this...they did it as well as it could be done.”

Dumb: Palpatine’s return. Reality: Opening with Kylo Ren stalking across the system to confront the old geezer, cutting through everything in his path like a cold joyless bastard? Saying, “Fuck nosferatu here, imma go get Rey and overthrow this guy and rule the galaxy with her”? Ohhhh yeahhhhh.

Dumb: Retconning Leia as a Jedi at this late date. Reality: Leia being a Jedi Master, training Rey, having her own lightsaber? OHHHH YEAHHHH. I’ve been wanting Jedi Leia since Empire.

Dumb: Going after a MacGuffen as a main plot (again). Reality: A fast-paced multi-world quest featuring Rey/Finn/Poe with funny snarking (“You were a spice runner?” “You were a stormtrooper?” “Oh, we gonna do this now?”), Chewie as a true companion at risk, Lando’s return, Rey cooing over babies, Kylo showing up here and there through the force bond to freak out and interrogate Rey, funky hidden sand caverns, Rey healing scary space snakes...guys, this was all levels of OH YEAH for me. It was fun, it was exciting...it felt right for Star Wars, what can I say?

Dumb: Shafting Rose. Reality: ...there was so much going on already! You couldn’t fit any more people on the Falcon without it turning into...look, there’s a MST3K episode of the movie Lost Continent where the party of 6-7 prepares to head out on the expedition. “Are we ready?” “I’m good!” “Can’t wait to get out there.” “Yeah, let’s go.” And JoelandBots riff, “Everybody get a line?” That’s what it would have turned into. I wish there had been more time for her but I also recognize her major story arc was completed last movie. She was not treated disrespectfully here but there just wasn’t enough time. (Us MCU Hawkeye fans are all looking at Rose Tico fans saying, “what are you, new?”)

Dumb: Rey Palpatine. Reality: STILL DUMB. I’ll say more later.

Dumb: Hux: “I’m the spy.” Reality, still dumb, but his “I don’t care who wins, I just need Kylo Ren to lose,” is pure Kylux subtext. Bitter exes, so sexay.

Dumb: Ben dyi— okay, wait. Not dumb. A very real potential outcome for this story. Honestly, I never thought JJ Abrams meant Kylo to live after he became a patricide. I DIDN’T WANT THAT THOUGH. I wanted Reylo and Reylo wedding dress and Reylo babies on parents’ hips and gahhhhhhh. And yet? This is not a bad death if there had to be death. Unredeemed Kylo Ren = bad death. Stray blaster because sometimes people just die for no reason = bad death. Redeemed Ben who is tried and executed = bad death. But this is a narratively understandable death. Fuck, it would have been really, really hard to have happily ever after with the war criminal/patricide/genocide First Order leader, wouldn’t it’ve? This is the guy who cost the deaths of his father, his uncle, and his mother just to SLOW HIM DOWN, migod. They could have worked around it, yes. As my S.O. says, “there was never gonna be Poe-Finn-Rey-Ben poker night, ‘k?”, but we could have had Ben and Rey go off together, create a new Jedi training temple and never mention the name Kylo Ren again. It. Would. Have. Been. So. Beautiful. But he was redeemed, he was Ben again, he was lovely, he was brokenhearted, he gave his life to save the Jedi Rey who was the woman he loved. AND HE SMILED AND WAS GLAD TO GIVE IT. Oh, my heart. Reylo 4evah.

Okay, the good that was not dumb at all:

-Who said this was paced badly? It was so exciting! What did you want, sitting on couches? There’s a reason the prequels are all but disavowed.

-KYLO STALKER-CHASING REY. Ah ha ha. Oh. Oh my god, every beautiful horrible line of his. “The next time I see you, you will take my hand.” “The only way you’re getting to Exegol is with me.” TAKING THE NECKLACE omigod that was the sexiest moment in the whole goddamn series. I was so expecting him to say, “I’m a NICE GUY, why don’t you want me?” next, ah ha ha. Really, it was just so characteristic of the post-rejected TLJ Kylo that absolutely had to be. He had tried being nice, no, really—“You’re nothing. But not to me.” Ah ha ha, oh, KYLO, you beautiful idiot piece of trash.—now he’s going to turn the screws. And Rey, going for the lightsaber every time to make it a fight because she doesn’t want to talk to his stupid stalker ass. It. Was. Perfect.

-C3P0 not being a prick! He was prissy and annoying and actually funny this time around, but he put away the everpresent dickishness this time. Wow. Best Threepio since...ever, maybe.

-Doing what they could with Leia. I have craved Jedi Leia forever so I’m forgiving what should have actually felt like “too little too late.” And I’m never going to get over her achingly lovely embrace with Rey.

-Han. Han. Han. I don’t even love Han nearly as much as Luke and Leia and I’m still enraptured with this moment. Does everybody get that in TFA, Han walked out on that bridge with his son knowing he was very possibly going to his death? At the hands of his own son? That when Kylo said, “I don’t know if I have the strength to do what I need to,” Han fucking knew that he was warring, that what he wanted to do was kill his father so that he would have committed an act so heinous he could never never go back to the light? That Han knew that? And gave him his life willingly because he was ready to take that chance Kylo would not do it, but also that in killing him it might haunt Kylo and help him turn back later? Han is not an idiot. And he’s that much of a loving father. So when we got to the echo of “...to do what I need to,” it was that turning point that Kylo was at last feeling. YAYYYYY.

-New characters. I liked them! They were engaging and had intriguing presence.

-Rey Skywalker. Okay, some of you hate this. But I’m more than fine with it. The Skywalkers have been the most important people in her life: mother, father, soulmate. Why shouldn’t she claim it and refuse to let the line end with the dead? Though I would have been equally happy with, “Just Rey.”

-Force dyad. You know what that means? That means in TFA when Kylo says, “What girl?” it is subtextually possible that he already knows what girl—the dyad part of him he’s always felt. Ooooooooooooooooh.

-Passing the saber via forcebond. God, I wish I hadn’t been spoiled for that one.

And now, it’s time for:

(Note. I’m not telling you it IS this way. I’m telling you this is my headcanon and I’m sticking to it.)

-So Palpatine’s alive, sort of. In him are the spirits of ten thousand Sith or whatever, which he can wield, but he’s still a walking corpse.

-He’d prefer to possess the body of a great force-user but they’d have to allow it, ritually. Kylo Ren would be good for this, but he could also be a useful ally. Meantime the Jedi Rey presents a threat. Kill her, she’s out of the picture, good enough. He could have her body to possess if he turns her, though.

-So if Kylo Ren finds him, he’ll make an ally of him and tell him to kill Rey.

-If Rey finds him, though, he’ll convince her to turn. How? Rey doesn’t want power. He’ll give her the one unshakeable thing she wants. A family. A lineage. A destiny.

-His “I don’t want to kill you, I want you to kill me,” “you are my granddaughter,” lines are just that: lines. He shows his true colors later when he snarls, “a worthless scavenger cannot inherit the dark side.”

Liar, liar, Mustafar on fire. Her parents were filthy junk traders. Rey of Jakku. Rey Nobody. Rey Skywalker because she adopts it. There’s my truth. Pbbbbbthhtttpbbthhht.

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legobiwan · 4 years

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So i was just daydreaming of SW and fics & i was imagining two characters on opposites sides of light and dark both trying to turn each other bc they think they are right(don’t they all?). But i feel like sidious and maul and plenty of sith knew that they weren’t necessarily the ‘good’ guys, no matter their reason for why they ended up on the dark side. I think sidious knew he wasn’t a good person & was well aware of the ‘bad’ nature of the darkside and how it can corrupt a person entirely 1/

I think dooku was as well even though he thought he was doing the right thing & making change. Even Anakin knew in his own twisted mindset that despite why he turned, he wasn’t on the side of the good guys no matter their reason for why they ended up on the dark side.I think sidious knew he wasn’t a good person&was well aware of the ‘bad’ nature of the darkside and how it can corrupt a person entirely. I think dooku was as well even though he thought he was doing the right thing&making change.2/

But how would you convince someone that turned bc they thought they could keep it controlled. Revan himself turned thinking he could prevent the darkside from corrupting him entirely&we see how that turned out. What about people who just genuinely think that they are more free (they aren’t) on the darkside and just want to BE on the darkside and think that it’s not inherently bad. Bc some sith fics make it sound not that bad but we know that it actually really is very bad by nature ¾

I guess my question is how does someone who thinks they can have everything they want and not loose themselves, who is ruled by the dark side to the point of sith eyes, become convinced that going that far isn’t actually the right path to be on? 4/4 Sorry this is so long

Wow, anon, this is…a complicated question. (And off-topic, but daydreaming about SW fics totally got me through some horrible jobs a few years ago. Star Wars daydreaming ftw.)

For me, it comes down to what your definition of “light” (read, good) is. And I think either side, light or dark, taken too far to one extreme ends up wrapping back to the other, a kind of ouroboros. Too much light, as we saw with the Jedi, can lead to dark consequences. Too much dark, in a weird way, will lead to revolt, to a balancing.

It’s thermodynamics, taken to a philosophical extent, where your variables seek equilibrium but there is only so much energy to share between them, as it cannot be created nor destroyed.

But let’s extricate ourselves from such tangled webs, shall we, and take this analysis character by character.

Sidious: Sidious is an unrepentant, manipulative bastard. I mean, the absolute worst, the whole shebang. I doubt there would be anyone who would have had the ability to pull him into the “Light,” just the ability to thwart his plans. Evil genius, psychopath, bereft of empathy, etc. Let’s just say Rey’s existence, at least from the first generation, was likely not an act of love.

Dooku: Oh Dooku. My favorite bad guy is a lot more complicated. His motivations were idealistic and to some degree, justified. The Republic and the Jedi were failing certain underrepresented systems, the Republic bloated on corruption and the Jedi more and more backing themselves into a protective corner until they had no room left to move. His execution of the whole thing…well, that’s where his hubris (and nihilism) led him astray. And I still contend we see this darkening of Dooku between AotC and RotS, especially in TCW. The dark side won in Dooku, pulled him under its tide so perhaps by the time of RotS he just wasn’t able to see - or admit - Sidious’s plans for him.

Now, would Dooku have been redeemed? Yes, but only under circumstances and I would say he would less be redeemed than returned to grey status.

But what would possibly convince our resident iconoclast to renounce some of his ways?

Or more, who?

Qui-gon or Obi-wan. Or both. Lineage is so important to Dooku, a man who felt the loss of his family, who felt he was alone in the universe, who, unlike Anakin, went out of his way to avoid close connections, to relieve everything of his past except his title and all the expectations that came with it. I mean, imagine that. You are raised a Jedi, taught to believe attachment is, if not bad, at least problematic. And then you leave that religious order to return to your homeworld where you inherit a title and presumably a million problems and identities and histories that come with said title. And Dooku knows none of these people but to rule them, but he does know the ones he has raised and the ones who they raised. Which leads me to believe that an alive Qui-gon (who, let’s face it, wouldn’t have been 100% light side) and/or a more convinced Obi-wan (who should have listened to Dooku on Geonosis but that is a whole other discussion because that was a Hail Mary by Dooku and the more I think about it, the more I believe it was a ballsy-as-ass move on his part) might have convinced him to realign himself.

Anakin: Ohhhh, Anakin. Anakin, who fell because he felt he had to, in order to save everyone he loved. Anakin, who was burdened with false expectation after a traumatic childhood. Anakin, who made so many bad choices and it’s both his fault and not his fault, a tragic combination of circumstance and proclivity. The thing is, we know Anakin is torn between the light and the dark, even after he turns. Anakin as Vader is kind of like the person who says, “Oh I ate 2 cookies, might as well eat the whole bag because nothing matters.” (Side note, I am a total supporter of eating the whole bag of cookies if that is the heart’s truest desire. Speaking as someone who has downed many bags of cookies in their lifetime.) Anyway, it’s the mindset that’s the problem. And Anakin does redeem himself in the end, when he finds something/someone to fight for and fight against and isn’t that so him, always fighting against something?

Look, dark side characterizations are fun. But there’s always something else behind it, and it is a big deal to abandon your principles, your ideals, your health, your everything to this festering, opaque disease that lives in your deepest gut and at times takes the controls, much to your horror (except if you are Sidious, in which case, the horrible darkness is always at the controls and that is by design). I, personally, like to explore the darker sides of these characters but also the why - what made them fall, why are they hurting, and what is the fallout of their actions?

Yes, it’s easy to hate, to fear - I mean, we see this in the real world on an everyday basis. What’s less easy is to be alone, and I mean truly alone. And I think minus extreme examples like Sidious (who, let’s admit, created clones to cheat death and kept a vast amount of servants so even he was not ever truly alone). If I might get a little existential for a moment, what I like about Jedi philosophy (and in all seriousness, I had a major breakdown about this a few years back and Jedi philosophy, weirdly enough, was a large part in saving my sanity) is that we are never alone, that we are all part of the Force, of life, of the breath and heartbeat of the universe no matter what corporeal form we take or not. The Sith see themselves as alone, but as we can observe, so many of them are motivated by connection, could possibly be spurred to change by connection in the correct circumstances.

And by this, I don’t mean the Jedi were 100% correct. I feel like the version of the Jedi we got by TCW had been pushed to some extremes due to the Ruusan Reformation (gdi, that had better get recanonized, asap, because it is a pivotal moment and a HUGE explanation of why the Jedi ended up as they were by the time the Prequels rolled around and it makes So Much Sense), the emergence of Dooku, the war, etc.) There is something to be said about the Grey Jedi, not that they necessarily embraced light and dark - but perhaps so - but that they did not fall to one extreme or the other. And this is where I feel Qui-gon succeeded over many other of his peers, despite his myriad of other personality flaws. Possibly this was why he was able to access the Whills and pass on what he had learned, to the point of where we see Yoda in TLJ, who is a lot more philosophical about everything than he had been in life.

So to answer your question - there is no making someone turn back to the light, as much as there is any way of forcing a sentient being to do anything. Once can only pave the way and forge relationships, and the rest is up to that person. I think a lot of our Sith friends knew they were going down a dark path but also saw no alternative and felt a need to vindicate themselves, to strike out in anger against their circumstances. I get it, I think we all have that urge sometimes. And I suppose the answer might come in having something to fight for as opposed to fight against, as ridiculous as that sounds.

But then again, I am but a simple lego floating around the internet. :)

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Feelings, Rants, and Thoughts on The Rise Of Skywalker

Wow. What a mind-numbing movie, and it’s not for the good either. I have a lot to say about this clusterfuck of a movie and so...

⚠️WARNING⚠️

‼️SPOILERS AHEAD‼️

This is going to be in no particular order by the way.

Here we go:

• So, Rey’s Palpatine’s granddaughter through his son who looks like Tom Hardy (it could actually be Tom Hardy, but I didn’t stay long after the credits to find out). Her dad looked to be late thirties/early forties which means he had to be born around the time of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, which is confusing because he would be around the same age of Poe Dameron if that was the case.

• Also, Jodi Comer from Killing Eve was Rey’s mom.

• Speaking of Poe, I thought he was originally part of the New Republic Defense Fleet and squad leader for Rapier Squadron. When in Sith’s Hell was he a spice runner?!? I’m so confused.

• Zorii Bliss looked cool and did very little in the movie besides show up and help when the plot demanded it. Also, Poe and her have some romantic connection between them that doesn’t go anywhere.

• It seemed to be heavily implied Finn was Force-sensitive in the same way Leia was in the OT, so does Finn have the potential to be a Jedi in future? Hopefully.

• Also, is it just me or was Jannah seemingly attracted to Finn? Like I don’t know what was going on. Maybe their First Order stormtrooper background allowed a bond to form quicker between them. People thought there was flirting, but I don’t know.

• Rose Tico appeared sparsely over the course of the movie, showed up more towards the final battle. She still seems hung-up over Finn.

• Hux shows up for the first two acts then dies. He was the spy in the First Order who told the Resistance about Palpatine’s Sith Fleet and Exegol. He did it all because he hates Kylo Ren. Alligent General Pryde kills him.

• Pryde is the Tarkin of this film.

• Lando showed up to helpful to the story and I would summarize his entire being on this story as a nostalgia pawn and supporting/minor character. Poor Billy Dee Williams.

• Leia dies! That shouldn’t surprise anyway seeing as Carrie Fisher (Rest In Peace) died in real life. Her already recorded dialogue and digital appearance tells me they had to write dialogue around her. She dies because Rey and Kylo were fighting on the wreckage of the 2nd Death Star and she felt NOW OF ALL TIMES was the time to reach her son. WTF?!?!

• Chewie reacting to learning about Leia’s death made me tear-up, I cannot lie about that.

• Han Solo appears as an actual ghost or figment of Kylo’s imagination. He and Kylo have a scene on the 2nd Death Star that echoes the scene from TFA on the catwalk.

• Luke shows up to tell Rey she has everything she needs and is so special. I wish I was kidding. He admits that he and Leia knew she was a Palpatine, tells Rey that she should take Leia’s lightsaber, and lifts his old X-Wing out of the water for her to use, which also has his old helmet in it.

• Here’s my summary of the dialogue in this movie:

- Joke/Clever remark

- Exposition

- Rey, you special

• Rey... where to beginning? First of all, Rey has the ability to heal people which was never established prior to this film. She gets angry a lot in this film which is in-character for her. Yes, I know it stated that Leia’s training Rey and all that, but we still get little scenes of her training. We get her mediating at the beginning and then go run a training course where she loses control and has a vision there. That’s all the training we see her do in this movie and she’s so overpowered it drives me nuts. I guess her being a Palpatine is the explanation now for her power.

• By the way, when she and Palpatine met on Exegol, I was having flashbacks to Return of the Jedi and The Last Jedi. I hope I’m not alone in this because I was like we’ve seen this before, twice in this trilogy. Snoke did the whole monologue what Kylo will supposedly do in TLJ and now Palpatine was doing the same with Rey in TROS.

• Rey nearly killing Kylo as he sensed the death of his mother made me lose respect for her because what’s wrong with you? After you stab him was when you finally felt Leia’s death? WTF?!?

• Rey killing Palpatine bothered me. Not because he’s dead (hopefully he stays dead this time). It just felt like everything Anakin/Vader did was made moot by Palpatine coming back and Rey properly killing him. Anakin was and still is the Chosen One. George Lucas said it himself that even when Anakin became Vader, he was still the Chosen One and he brought balance to the Force by killing himself and the Emperor.

• Kylo Ren... Ben Solo... God, Adam Driver is a great actor. Too bad his character is someone I don’t particularly care about. Kylo says he wants Rey to join him, but has no problem trying to hit her with his TIE Dagger (whatever) and almost finishing her off on the 2nd Death Star.

• When reverts back to Ben Solo, they start getting comedic with his character and I guess that was... fine. I don’t know. They tried to make him Han Solo-ish and it didn’t really work for me.

• People laughed at my theater when he and Rey kissed then he died like immediately after that. Like, JJ, I don’t like Reylo, but I would’ve at least applauded you for actually pushing Reylo to canon if you went all the way instead of giving the Reylos their kiss then killing him. It was so stupid.

• At the end of the movie, Rey goes to Tatooine with the Falcon and BB-8 and winds up at the Lars’ Homestead. It’s where she combines Luke and Leia’s lightsabers (I guess) to make her own orange-bladed lightsaber. Then, some old woman asks who she is and Rey says she’s Rey. The woman’s says Rey who? That’s when Rey turns her head to see the Force Ghosts of Luke and Leia and then declares she’s Rey Skywalker. Cue to the Twin Suns.

My head hurts after watching this movie. I felt nothing during it. C-3PO was the only funny thing about this movie. I probably haven’t fully processed this movie in full yet.

This is a depressing end to the Skywalker Saga because all the blood-related Skywalkers are dead and Rey, who is a Palpatine, has given herself the surname Skywalker.

Goddamnit all...

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Korriban - Chapter 85

Link to the masterpost. Chapter 84. Chapter 86.

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Well, maybe I don’t have to get into the Sith Academy as a student. I mean, sure, I don’t do things the Jedi way, but I’m not a terminal asshole either. I’ll stand out there like a rancor in a pottery shop. Sure, I’m chaotic enough, but I’m not horrible, and all these Sith jerks are, well, jerks. So getting into the Academy as a student is not going to be the first thing I try. First thing I’m going to try? The front door.

Outside the very large front door is a Sith trooper, which I expected, and another Academy student, which I didn’t. He’s got a medallion, the same as Shaardan and Lashowe, and he’s got the same arrogant asshole vibes that they did. He seems to be tormenting three prospective Sith students, but he’s not physically doing anything to them. Two humans, one Aqualish. There are two more on the ground next to them, collapsed from heat exhaustion, at a guess. And no one’s doing anything about it? Wow, definitely terminal assholes. Okay, Star Map, hell, I can’t just leave these people to suffer.

When I try to help the two humans - just going in order - they don’t want anything to do with me. One even scowls at me - “You’ll get your turn soon enough, fool,” he says, struggling, “And when you do” - he coughs - “I will be there, laughing as you collapse from… heat exhaustion and Mekel’s beatings!”

The Aqualish is friendlier, but still struggling. “Please…” xe says, “I have to stand at attention… ... don't distract me, whoever you are.”

“Why?” I ask, trying to offer xer some water, but xe turns it down, “Why do you have to do this?”

“I… I'm trying to prove my worth to enter the Sith academy, here,” xe says, “We were told that if we stood here long enough… we would be worthy.”

“Seems like not much to do to be worthy of anything,” Jolee says, “How long you been up to it?”

“We've been here…” xe pants, “… for so many days. I'm so hungry! Some… some of us have died.” I thought they had just collapsed, but xe’s right - I can’t feel anything from them. “But I must be strong, I must! I will keep standing!”

I indicated the Academy student standing away from him. “Did he put you up to this?”

“Yes, Mekel,” xe says, “He… h-he said this was how we would prove our worth… I must be strong! Mekel… will find me worthy… soon, I hope…”

Okay, this is stupid and cruel, I’m taking things up with the commanding idiot over there. “Hey!” I shout at him, walking over to him, “Mekel?”

“What?” he asks, very unconcerned as he takes a drink of water.

“Why the hell are you making those guys stand there? You know they’re dying, right?”

“That is the whole point!” he says, “Personally, I think it's wonderful fun… those fools actually think that if they stand there long enough, I'll let them become a Sith. Idiots.” He scoffs. “A Sith is not a bantha, all endurance and no brains. A Sith would fight for his life, no matter the odds. If these rotgrubs are as stupid as they seem, then they deserve their fate!”

“Yeah, I know that, and you know that, but how the hell are they supposed to know that?” I say, “You and I both know this isn’t a test for them so much as it is you jacking off to your own power.”

“Oh, it's a test all right,” he says, “It's a test to see if they're actually fool enough to die. If they don't, however, I certainly wouldn't admit them just for that accomplishment.”

“Oh, what a sweet guy,” Carth says sarcastically, “You should get the Sith congeniality medal.”

“Why not just shoot them where they stand?” Jolee says, “It would at least be more direct.”

“Hmm,” Mekel hums idly, “It is a bit boring standing out here all day, however. I think I'll go for some dinner… it will be fun to think of them while I gorge myself. They'll still be here in an hour or two, surely.” He chuckles a bit. “I suggest you run along before I decide to make you part of the fun.” As if. He then just strolls back to Dreshdae, leaving these three here to die.

Well, not if I have anything to say about it. I go to the Aqualish first. Xe is pretty excited, as much as xe can muster. “You… you were talking to Mekel! I saw you!” xe says, “Where did he go? D-did he… did he tell you I was worthy?!”

“Hey, hey, relax,” I say, “You were never going to be, Mekel was tricking you. He’ll never let you into the Academy.”

Xe doesn’t want to believe me, but xe looks between me, Carth, and Jolee, sees the honesty on our faces. “Wh… what?” xe gasps, “I… I've wasted all this time!” I hand xer my water, and now xe takes it. Xe drinks almost the whole thing before dropping it, and the rest of the water spills into the dust. No big deal, I can get more water. “How could I have been so… foolish!” xe exclaims, “I could have died! I'll find another way in, I swear it! I'll show him! Thank you!” Xe stumbles away, back to Dreshdae. Whether xe joins the Sith or not, I at least spared xeir life now. Gave xer the chance to change xeir mind.

“Is… is it true?” the human on the end says, “Mekel is…?”

“Yes,” I say, “It’s all a trick. Mekel never intended to let you in.”

“Oh… oh!” he says, “All this… for nothing…” He collapses into the dirt. Dead.

The last remaining refuses to believe me. “I won't listen to your manipulations!” he says, “I… I will make it into the academy! Just… just a few hours longer… just a few hours, surely…”

Jolee places his hand on my shoulder. “You can’t save someone who doesn’t want to be saved, lass,” he tells me, “You tried. That’s all you can do.”

I hate it, but he’s right. We need to move on. I can save more people by finding the Star Maps, destroying the Star Forge, taking Malak down. It kills me, but I have to walk away. I have to get into the Academy.

I walk up to the door. There’s no access panel, nothing to hack into. I lay my hand on the door, but it doesn’t respond to the Force. “Hey,” the Sith trooper says to get my attention, “You are neither a Sith nor do you bear the medallion of a student of this facility. Please leave at once.”

Okay, time to lie. “I’m so sorry,” I say, as earnestly as I can manage, “I think I dropped my medallion somewhere, I can’t find it anywhere. I promise, I’m a student, if you let me in I’m sure Master Uthar would recognize me.”

“You know, if you’re going to lie to me, you could at least try sounding like a Sith.” Damnit. “In order to get inside, you must be admitted to the Academy. That decision must be made by a Sith who has already been accepted, here. The final decision, however, remains with Master Yuthura. I believe she is currently at the cantina if you wish to seek her out. Now go.” Well, I guess I don’t really have an option. I have to be accepted as a student.

Yuthura is a Twi’lek name, and I think I saw a Twi’lek in the cantina. Didn’t pay any attention to her because I was focused on Carth. She’s still in the cantina when we get back there, isolated in the back. Like she used the Force to tell anyone who got close to go away. And when I get within that circle it becomes pretty clear that’s exactly what she did. She’s purple, which isn’t a common color for Twi’leks. Blue and green are more common. She’s very attractive, but I don’t think she swings my way, assuming she swings at all. So flirting isn’t the best avenue of approach. I think I’m just going to have to pretend to have left the Order.

I casually get close to her, but since it’s apparent to her that her “don’t bother me” circle isn’t holding me off, she addresses me before I get very close. “Is there something you need, Jedi?” she asks gruffly, “Make it good, for I have little patience.”

I shrug and I sit down next to her. “I guess I’m not the first Jedi you’ve met who wanted to leave the Order,” I say, “It’s amazing that those doddering old fools have any in their number at all. If you ask me, the Order is well out of its time.” She grins slightly and nods at me. “What’s your name?” I ask her.

She scoffs. “You must not have been on Korriban for very long,” she says, “Either that or you have been feeling your way about blindly.” She finishes the ale in her glass. “Luckily for you,” she says with a smile, “I am in a charitable mood. I am Yuthura Ban, second only to Master Uthar of the Sith Academy here in Dreshdae.” Jackpot! “I am the one who decides which few of the many hopefuls who travel here to train actually become a Sith. Why? Is it your desire to enter the academy? Is that why you are here?”

“As a matter of fact,” I say with a grin, “it is.” Not that I’m especially eager to throw my lot in with these guys, but the Order has given me a few incentives against them. “In the short time that I’ve been with them, the Order has done nothing but lie to me. And when they haven’t outright lied, they’ve kept information from me that could have saved my life. They’ve sent me in blind more than once. Put me with people who are either incompetent or blind, expecting me to pull them out of the fire, but obviously not trusting me enough to tell me the truth. Their teachings are relics of a bygone era. They would rather bring Malak back to the light than kill him. They preach peace so much, they ignore war. I fought against the Mandalorians” - okay, so I’m pulling from Carth’s story here, but frankly I don’t think he’d mind, given the circumstances - “and if not for Revan and Malak, they would have killed us all. But the Council elected to let the Republic fight alone? Bullshit.” I realize I’ve just given her a whole tirade, but I’m not done yet. “And then they put knowledge of the Force behind this wall they call ‘the Dark Side.’ If we weren’t meant to use it, why would we be so in touch with it? How can a force of nature be evil? How can it corrupt? Does gravity corrupt? Does the wind?”

“I see,” she says, “You mentioned killing Malak. Do you not think he should rule?”

“I think Malak would be dead if he hadn’t ambushed his master,” I say. And I believe that. Revan was the more powerful of the two, and so he became the master. “I think it’s weak to ambush an enemy rather than attack head on. On that point I agree with the Mandalorians.”

“Hmm,” she says neutrally, “You have much to learn, but still you intrigue me.” Is that a good thing? “There is something odd about you that I cannot place…” That’s what Jolee said the other day. “Obviously you are a Jedi,” she says, “One who is very strong in the Force, it seems. So were you part of the order for very long? Did they train you?”

“Yes, but not very long,” I say.

“As I thought,” she smiles, “How interesting that they would let one with such power out of their grasp. Or are you here to spy on us? For all the good it would do.” She looks me over. “With that kind of power, you could become a great Sith. Perhaps… if I let you.” Don’t beg, don’t beg. “Does that interest you?”

“It does,” I lie, “I want to join the Sith.”

I see Carth shift a little, uncomfortably. He told me once that I’m a lousy liar. And if he still thinks that, then I’d imagine he’s concerned. I doubt he still thinks that, because he’s known me for a lot longer now, so maybe he’s just very impressed by my acting. Yuthura smiles at me. “Ah, good,” she says, “Exactly the sort of answer I was hoping for. I will take you to the Academy and we shall see if you are ready to join the ranks of the Sith.” She looks past me at Carth and Jolee. “I have only one other question,” she says. Ok, think fast, Rena, think fast. “These… companions of yours? They will not be coming with you, I presume?”

Hell, no, I’m not going anywhere without Carth. “They’re slaves,” I lie quickly, “Don’t worry about them.”

Carth shifts again, even more uncomfortable. Yeah, that was a lousy lie. But Yuthura buys it. “Fair enough,” she says with a shrug, “so long as they do not disturb your training or cause any trouble. You are responsible for them.” No problem. “Let us leave. The Master of the Academy awaits you.”

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019) Review

A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away there was Star Wars. Then Disney happened.

Plot: The surviving Resistance faces the First Order once more as Rey, Finn and Poe Dameron's journey continues. With the power and knowledge of generations behind them, the final battle commences.

The Rise of Skywalker brings the new Disney Star Wars trilogy to a close whilst also setting out to be the grand finale to the entire Skywalker saga. That’s a big feat to conquer, and does this movie succeed? To put it in post-haste words, this movie will split up audiences. Some will love it, some will definitely hate it, and some, such as I, will find many problems but will enjoy it for what it is. As a throwaway blockbuster with a load of action and cool moments in time for Christmas for families to enjoy whilst shoving popcorn in their faces, this film perfectly suffices. However, if you take in the bigger picture with this being a Star Wars film and how it fits into the franchise timeline, the movie is a mess. It’s all over the place (or should I say galaxy?). There is a lack of a consistent narrative as well as ignoring the Star Wars lore set by previous films as well as a bunch of random mumbo jumbo that happens which makes the whole thing disappointing.

There is a lot of fan service, and sometimes it does work, but most of the time it feels forced and shoe-horned in. Also, this film emphasizes how much Disney lacked a grand plan for this new trilogy. Feels like they kind of just made up everything as they went along, unlike having an actual plan for the endgame from the beginning. Ironically, Disney’s other endgame this year proved to have had a well-structured plan with Avengers: Endgame, and that is why that movie, for the most part, works. In the case of this new Star Wars trilogy, it seems like the folks at Disney simply tried to constantly appease to fans whilst forgetting to actually give us a consistent and well thought out story. With The Force Awakens, people complained it was too similar to A New Hope. So with The Last Jedi, director Rian Johnson tried to do something different with the franchise, by taking it in a new direction, so then audiences complained about the fact that that movie strayed away from the familiar (though some of the complaints are indeed well-founded). So with The Rise of Skywalker Disney again decided to focus on simply filling the needs of the fans rather than just tell a story they should’ve told, which causes The Rise of Skywalker to be a mix of the familiar with huge nostalgic factor with certain cameos and scenes simply being there for the sake of “oh look, that’s from that other Star Wars movie I know and love, wow, how happy does that make me!!” type of spiel, whilst also trying to fix the choices made by The Last Jedi and also trying to bring a somewhat satisfying conclusion to its characters, the latter of which it definitely does not succeed in my opinion. The whole thing is all over the place. Look, I apologize for my vagueness in this review, but with Star Wars being Star Wars, one does not simply go and spoil Star Wars. You do not need my review as a confirmation to go or not to go see Star Wars. Its Star Wars! You’re going to go see Star Wars regardless of the opinion of others. Because Star Wars, capiche!

Alright, so some quick thoughts that are spoiler-free. The return of Emperor Palpatine doesn’t do much. He’s basically just a stand-in villain due to Snoke’s awkward demise in the last film. And if you’re looking to find out how Palps survived that death of his in The Return of the Jedi, good luck, this film doesn’t even try to explain that. Why? Because books. Disney wants you to read the books that they publish which fill in the plot gaps that the movies do not cover. And why’s that? Because moneeeeeyyy! Next, what was it with all the fake-out deaths? I’m not even talking about Palpatine’s return, but many characters within this movie supposedly die only to be brought back with ease minutes after their suggested end. What was the point of that? Not a clue. Moving on, the presence of Princess Leia in this movie is done by using unused archived footage from The Force Awakens for the unfortunate reason that Carrie Fisher, unfortunately, passed away, and yes, the Carrie Fisher shots are very obviously added to scenes in the film through visual effects, and it does look awkward, but I respect the effort that was put into it by the producers and crew in light of the fact what they had to work with. Billy Dee Williams returns as Lando Calrissian and just kind of hangs out. Honestly, he was included simply to include a character from the original trilogy. He doesn’t get to do much in this film. Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver do as best as they can with the roles of Rey and Kylo Ren, but the fact that their characters are so underwritten limits them from doing much. Also, Rey in this movie is ridiculously overpowered, to the extent that most of her actions in this movie are a whole load of deus ex machina. Visually this film is not as striking as The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson just has a more exciting flare for exciting visual shots compared to JJ Abrams, however, the movie still looks and feels glossy and well-made. John Williams returns to once again score the film, and faulting him and his work here would be a work of a Sith so I’ll truly admit as always his music was on point. There are also many jokers and one-liners used and to be honest, most of them missed for me. The humour really felt forced in this one, more so than in The Force Awakens. The actual ending of the film leaves you feeling a bit ‘meh’. It’s sort of predictable and you can tell where the movie will go. Also, expect some nice little cameos in the movie, one of which I predicted and felt so proud of myself for calling it. Though I will not reveal what cameo this is. See for yourself.

Finalizing my thoughts, I feel like The Rise of Skywalker will be a cause for constant debate amongst critics, fans and general audiences. It literally depends on what tickles your pickle. I know people who really liked this film, some not so much. This is definitely a divisive movie, and I’m stuck somewhere in the middle. I enjoyed my time at the cinema with this one, but at the end of the day I cannot ignore the messiness of the whole thing.

Overall score: 5/10

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Rating: G

Warnings: None

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Summary: Rose & Rey and Rose & Ben post-sequel trilogy friendship fluff, where Rose tries to figure out what's going on with the Thing between the last Jedi and the Jedi killer

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"So what's he like?" Rose asks.

Rey starts, the question interrupting her concentration over a complicated legal document Leia had given her to try to understand.

"What?" she says, looking up from the pages filled with complicated Basic to where Rose sits sprawled on the couch with a holopad. The pad rests on her stomach as she looks over at Rey.

"Kylo Ren. What's he like?"

"Ben," Rey corrects automatically, then flushes when Rose smirks.

Rey shakes her head slightly as she considers the question. Ben encompasses so many things to her, it seems impossible to answer. "He just...is?"

"Sure, Ben. Same question."

Rose snorts. "He 'is' to you a whole lot different than he is to anyone else, even the general. Anyone can see the way he looks at you. And you don't treat him like the monster everyone else does. So what's his deal?"

"Finn doesn't treat him like a monster," Rey protests, dodging the question, then realizes something. "And neither do you."

Rose purses her lips thoughtfully. "I don't think Finn knows what to make of him," she says. "He doesn't want to talk about it yet either. And I can't hate him because we would have all been dead if he hadn't turned when he did. But he could have changed his mind sooner too and saved lives. It's complicated, so I'm thinking about it. You know him better, and..." She hesitates, then continues firmly. "I trust you."

"I -- Thank you." Rey stammers.

"And you trust him," Rose observes, looking at her intently.

Rey pauses for a moment, but it can't be denied. Ben has broken her trust before, but he came back in the end. She'd put her life and those of her friends in his hands, and they'd all come out on the other side. Mostly. "Yes."

"How?" Rose asks, her dark eyes still watching Rey. Not with any anger, just open curiosity for a story she doesn't know.

Rey's mouth works as she decides where to start. Rose sits up from the couch and joins her at the table. "It's the Force," Rey tells her. "We're connected. We've seen into each other's heads. And he's still a mess, and still figuring things out, but he's made his choice. He's not going back again." Not that there's anything to go back to, unless he decides to revive the Sith singlehandedly. He'd done a thorough job of burning the Order in his wake.

"Wow," Rose says, and pauses to consider. "That sounds...intimate."

Rey flushes. "I guess," she says. "It was a lot to get used to at first. Especially with everything happening. But then it started to feel...right. Like a part of me. And it's nice to be able to reach out to him. Know I'm not alone." She looks away. She's never talked about her bond with Ben to anyone besides Leia and Finn, and she doesn't know what to do with the vulnerable feeling exposing this part of herself evokes.

Even though Rose sometimes trips over her own words and still gets nervous around Leia, her idol, she has a knack for saying the right thing. "People used to say they thought Paige and I were in each other's heads, with how close we were. It wasn't the Force, but sometimes you just know people. When the entire universe keeps falling apart, it's good to have someone to hold onto, you know?"

Rey breathes out, shaky. "Yeah."

Rose nods, half to herself. Her eyes glisten. "I'm glad you had someone like that."

"Thanks," Rey says quietly. She'd heard in passing about Paige from Finn and Poe. She's not experienced in comforting people besides Ben, and it's different to not have that connection to the other person's feelings. "I'm sorry about your sister."

Rose sniffs. "Thanks." She wipes her eyes. "It was hard being here, after. But there's still good people."

Rey smiles, thinking about how she's seen her first friend and Rose sitting close together in odd corners of ships and the new base. "Like Finn?" she teases.

It's Rose's turn to blush. "Yeah," she says, voice quietly pleased. "It's not the same, and I still miss her. But he helps." She sniffs again and rubs her nose.

Rey doesn't know quite what to say, so she nods. Tentatively, she reaches out for Rose's hand resting on the table next to her and squeezes it, like she's seen Leia do to grieving officers. Rose turns her hand and squeezes back gratefully. They sit together, both lost in their thoughts, until Rose sighs and gently pulls back. Rey retrieves her own slightly sweaty hand gratefully, still unsure how these sorts of things are supposed to go. Rose brushes her hair back from her face, though it springs back into place, curling away from her cheeks.

"Hungry?" she asks Rey, eyes still red-rimmed, but smiling.

"Always," Rey says eagerly.

"I hear they got a shipment of real veg from the New Republic," Rose says as they stand.

"Really? I don't think I've ever had any," Rey says, setting aside her holopad.

"Neither have I," Rose admits. "But it's got to be better than those bars."

Together, they make their way to the mess hall, ready for a good meal.

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Ben leans over his tray, setting himself to his usual goal of eating as quickly as possible. His mother had asked him to make an effort to be a part of the day-to-day of the Resistance-turned-New Republic, in an attempt to ‘humanize’ him, make him less of the Supreme Leader and more of a face people got used to seeing around. It hasn’t seemed to make much a different so far; people still give him a wide berth. The looks they give him tell him they never intend to forget what he’s done. Not that they should. He deserves anything they do to him.

So he takes his meals with the rest of the troops to make his mother happy, so they can both pretend that things will get better, and shovels food down as fast as he can to make the experience last as little time as necessary. Rey joins him when she can, but the last Jedi keeps busy, and more often than not, he brings food to her when she gets caught up in the Jedi texts or underneath an x-wing. He eats at odd hours too, when he thinks the fewest people will be around. He keeps his head bent, not making eye contact with the few officers left in the room.

Lost in his own thoughts, he doesn’t notice someone approaching him from the side until a tray lands on the table next to him. He jerks and looks over at the newcomer, instinctively ready for a fight. A few of the Resistance have decided to try themselves against him to get their revenge, but Leia had put an end to that. The newcomer doesn’t look like one of those though. Short with dark hair that curls at the ends, she seems almost familiar. He frowns, then the connection settles in place. He’s run across her a couple of times visiting Rey in the hangar. She spends time with FN-2 -- Finn as well. One of the mechanics. She sticks out in his memory as one of the few that don’t flinch away at his approach. He eyes her warily.

“I’m Rose,” she says and sticks out a hand. He looks at it, then slowly extends his own.

“Ben,” he says awkwardly.

“I know,” she says. She swings her legs over the bench and sits next to him. He flushes. Of course she knows. Who in the galaxy doesn’t?

She starts eating and he watches in disbelief. She really intends to eat with him like there’s nothing odd about what she’s done at all. He opens his mouth to ask what she’s doing, but can’t think of a way to say what he’s thinking without his mother berating him for it if she heard, so he closes it again and returns to his food. He takes a few bites, and then his curiosity gets the better of him. Rude or not, he has to know.

“Don’t you have anyone else to eat with?” he asks, half looking at her, half at his food.

She shrugs. “Yeah. But I felt like eating now, and you looked lonely.”

He blinks. Not what he’d expected. He takes another huge bite of food to avoid replying. She doesn’t seem to mind, and keeps eating as if nothing had happened. In between bites, she tells him about the ship she’s working on at the moment, and how she can’t get the parts to fix it the way she wants, but how she and Rey are figuring it out. He nods and eats his own food. He finishes before she does, but for some reason, he sits there and watches as she finishes hers. He blames his mother’s etiquette lessons.

She finishes talking and clears the food off her plate. When she’s done, she stands and smiles down at him. “It was nice talking to you. See you tomorrow?”

He stares at her, then unsticks his throat. “Yeah. Sure.”

She nods and smiles again, only a little nervous, then takes her tray away to be washed. He watches her go, still confused as to what exactly just happened.

He unfolds himself from the bench and picks up his tray to follow her. He wonders if she’ll actually be back tomorrow.

Maybe his mother was onto something after all.

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The Jedi and The Sith

I’m so sorry for the wait. I swore I posted this yesterday but I’m new to posting on here. This is also my first time writing fanfiction on tumblr so I hope you like it. Merry Pitchmas!@thoughtfullycrispyobject I saw that you shared some star wars things and thought you might like this.

Beca landed her personal tie phantom on the dessert floor and got out. She wore a black mask similar to a stormtrooper mask but slimmer, a pitch-black wool tunic, ruby red pleather tabards, everything else matching the color of the wool tunic. Kylo passed Beca off as his personal Stormtrooper and gave her as high of power as he could so no one bugged her or asked who she really was. That way everyone thought she was just an average high ranking stormtrooper with higher authority. Beca went over to him just as a rebellion space crafter exploded in the distance.

“Search the grounds and take care of anyone who is left. If you don’t there will be consequences,” Kylo said to Beca quietly behind his one mask. Beca nodded.

“I want everyone to leave, now,” Kylo ordered.

“But sir we have to search the grounds…” a stormtrooper started then looked up and stopped, realizing who he was talking to. “Yes sir,” everyone got on the shuttle and left the planet with the prisoner. Along with Kylo trusting Beca to take care of any problems.

Beca looked around seeing that all the stormtroopers were gone. She moved her robe and levitated her saber to her hand making it come on, the familiar red light and hum sounding as she walked the perimeter, listening carefully. She heard a blaster and started defending herself pulling the person to her using the force and stabbed him, looking away from him as she did it.

She heard another noise from a tent and levitated it up, throwing it across the desert floor.

“Please don’t hurt them,” Chloe said as she stood in front of two kids, her yellow lightsaber coming out preparing for a fight. Becas eyes flicked over to the two children and motioned for them to leave. The kids quickly ran from the scary person.

“You…you let them go,” Chloe said shocked and confused, she was always taught that the Sith were evil beings.

Beca raised her hand and pushed the woman’s robe away from her face to look at her.

“You’re a Jedi,” Beca said a little stunned. She didn’t expect a Jedi to look so…well hot.

“And you are a Sith,” Chloe said, starring at her. This woman easily killed that man outside but for some reason was not attacking her.

“Why…why aren’t you attacking?” Chloe asked with a frown.

“I…I don’t really know,” Beca admitted with a frown behind the mask, she knew she was supposed to. But, every time she tried to make a move it was like her body refused to follow through.

“You aren’t a Sith,” Chloe said softly watching the woman tense up and stand straighter.

“I’ve killed people, I’m fighting for the first order. You are the enemy,” Beca defended, but she didn’t believe her own words.

“You are just in pain, and afraid. You also doubt yourself. I can sense it. And he is using your doubt against you,” Chloe said her lightsaber powering down. “I saw you, you killed that man, but you didn’t look him in the face.”

“I…I have to do this. I have nothing else, he is all I have now,” Beca said gripping her lightsaber.

“Take the mask off,” Chloe said. Beca starred at her for a few minutes. Before she processed what she was doing, she had powered down her saber and was taking her mask off.

“Wow,” Chloe said thinking the girl was the most beautiful person she had ever seen.

“What?” Beca asked.

“N…nothing. Sorry you just…you are shorter than I thought a, supposedly, Sith would be,” Chloe said.

“I didn’t realize Jedi jabbed at people’s heights,” Beca said with a glare.

“It wasn’t a jab, I think people that are shorter then me are cute,” Chloe said with a wink.

“Are…are you flirting with me?” Beca asked confused. “I just killed some guy and you are flirting with me,” Beca said.

“That does sound messed up now that you mention it,” Chloe said. Beca shook her head and turned to leave.

“Where are you going?” Chloe asked.

“I’m leaving, I’ve done my job,” Beca said putting her helmet back on.

“Will I see you again?” Chloe asked.

“I don’t know,” Beca said jumping into her tie phantom and took off.

XXXXXXX

Beca landed the aircraft, her mind and emotions on over load with confusion and doubt.

“You actually did it. I’m impressed, I didn’t think you’d be able to kill the kids,” Kylo said, thinking her emotions were about killing the children and not of the redhead.

“You knew,” Beca said clinching her jaw, trying to contain her anger.

“Of course, I did, it was a test. One I didn’t think you could pass but you did,” Kylo said.

“Now what?” Beca asked through clinched teeth.

“Now, go back to Jakku and look for any rebels, take them prisoner and get information out of them,” Kylo said and left. Beca got back in her spacecraft and left back to the planet where the mysterious, and beautiful, Jedi was.

XXXXXXX

Beca sat at the bar and downed another drink, she wasn’t in the mood for integration. Beca was confused and she hated it because she wasn’t supposed to be having these feelings. But that redhead made her question everything.

“So, we meet again,” Chloe said sitting next to her.

“What are you? Some stalker?” Beca asked looking at the redhead, she wanted to get away and go back to her ways but she couldn’t.

“Only with cute people,” Chloe smiled and winked.

“You are flirting with me again, why?” Beca asked, confused by the woman’s behavior.

“Why not?” Chloe shrugged.

“We are fighting opposite sides, we should be killing each other right now,” Beca pointed out.

“But we aren’t,” Chloe said softly.

“No…we aren’t,” Beca sighed accepting that she would never know why she was not attacking this woman.

“Besides, right now. I’m just Chloe and you are just….well I don’t know your name,” Chloe said.

“It’s Beca,” she said softly. Chloe smiled.

“Right now, I’m just Chloe and you are just Beca. So, have a drink with me,” Chloe said. Beca studied the red head and eventually gave in and agreed.

XXXXXX

During the night they moved outside on to a roof and were talking about anything and everything.

“So, how did you become a Jedi?” Beca asked.

“I was found by my master, Lily, my village had just been destroyed and my emotions were all over the place. So, stones and boulders were floating all over the place and one actually hit her,” Chloe chuckled at the memory. “It happened on a holiday, I can’t remember what it was called but in my village, there would be this plant hanging above the door where you would kiss under it and you’d exchange gifts. And there was so much love,” Chloe said with a blissful smile as she looked at Beca.

“It sounds wonderful,” Beca said.

Chloe bit her lip and took a shot in the dark by leaning forward and kissing her. Beca gasped but instinctively kissed back, she felt like a million fireworks were exploding in her body as they kissed.

When they pulled apart Beca blushed and looked down, catching sight of her mask. Beca starred at it and her smile started to fade into the harden mask she was used to wearing. Remembering everything that was going on around them.

“You could come with me you know,” Chloe said softly. “I’m just one person but both of us…we could both help the rebellion and I…I feel like we should stick together,” Chloe said taking her hand.

“I can’t, I have to go,” Beca said regretfully and started to get up.

“Wait,” Chloe said grabbing her wrist and pulling her back down. Beca grunted landing on top of her.

“What are you….” But before Beca could finish Chloe kissed her hard. It only took a moments hesitation to kiss back again.

Chloe smiled as she felt Beca untense and started truly kissing her back, coming back to the world of just them. Beca pulled back when she needed air.

“Stay,” Chloe said quietly stroking her cheek. Beca starred at Chloe for what felt like a life time before finally nodding.

“Ok,” Beca couldn’t help but say and kissed her again.

#star wars #beca mitchell #chloe beale #pitch perfect #dark side #jedi #bechloe fanfiction #fanfic #fanfiction #pitchmas #merrypitchmas #merrypitchmas2017

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sanjuno · 7 years

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NRT+SW: That We Answer To Our Stars

Just remember that you people asked for this and if I end up posting a story concept that you love and want to see as a fic? Be well aware that all of these outlines only have one thing in common:

I HAVEN’T WRITTEN A SINGLE SCENE FOR THEM.

Which means I won’t be turning them into fic for a year at least so... *handwaves* Encourage me IRT your favourite WIP of mine, because finishing one of those will clear up space in the docket for a new story to get some attention.

Now, these outlines can get kinda disjointed but at least you’ll get to see a bit of how my brain works when I plot out stories.

THE SCENE!

>Kaguya’s multiverse trip goes wonky b/c best crossover fodder scene

>Uchiha Clan dumped wholesale on Rim World/Wild Space World in SW’verse. All the Uchiha Clan. All the Uchiha since ever.

->World is XL planetoid version of TG44, with added biome options b/c YOLO (unless you’re in the Uchiha Clan I guess b/c then you get to Live All The Times?)

>Indra, Madara, and Sasuke separate ppl w/ wiggy chakra resonance. V disorienting.

->Ninshu gets Dialled Up To Eleven = Force Bonds! Force Bonds everywhere!

-->Entire Clan gets Highlights Reel of Historically Important Memories (also so much purposely induced trauma wow WTF.)

--->Mass Meditation required to untangle/unfuck heads

>Entire Clan now Force Sensitive BTW

->WTF w/ crazy Nature Chakra infesting everyone? Uchiha are Not Pleased.

-->Upside: Force Bonds/Ninshu Super Connection can be used to awaken Sharingan w/out Psyche Destroying Trauma so yay for that

>All Uchiha now have Kaguya’s est. life span. Also nubbin horns and forehead sensory organ b/c aliens are a SW thing I can do this now (don't know if want full-on third eye or just funky Clan Marking thing? Hm...)

THE PLOT THICKENS/ACTUALLY STARTS BEING A THING!

>Sep. forces land on new Uchiha Homeworld b/c shenanigans and The Force Likes To Meddle

->Sasuke introduces said forces to Kirin b/c is reminded of T7 mission to Land of Iron? Or Snow? Dunno which but Naruto’verse says machines = bad juju so Sasuke is 100% justified ok thanks.

>212th follows. Obi-wan is v concerned by the Uchiha

->Entire Pop. of Planet is FS WTF is this nonsense?

-->Clones v impressed at least. Free-range jedi are badass why were they not informed of this being an option? (Clones made for jedi = have a hard time leaving GAR b/c existential dissonance when no jedi for retired soldiers? Also Kamino sucks and slavery sucks more but now the Clones who don’t want to be soldiers or recycled can Take A Third Option! So much Clone chatter about the Uchiha thing wow.)

>Madara is sent to be Senator b/c Jedi are Very Insistent that this Planet be part of the Republic.

->Madara terrifies all the politicians b/c Uchiha Hate Politics (they're too blunt and the see too much) but Madara is best at it v good at lying without saying anything untrue.

-->Madara knows Palpatine is skeevy b/c Uchiha See All The Things and You Can’t Fool Me With Such A Weak Illusion, Foolish Human and now there are clashing manipulators and Your Attachments Make You Weak and this is going to get out of hand so quickly I just know it.

>Sasuke is apparently still best Prophecy Child Bait and Anakin is Conflicted b/c how can he be attracted to someone not Padme?

->501st would like to adopt b/c last time Anakin fucked off without backup Sasuke came back 5 minutes later with Anakin hogtied over his shoulder and the Seppie base on fire. Sasuke is so unimpressed b/c That’s Not How You Infiltrate Enemy Lines, You Moron

-->Sasuke is still 100% going to seduce Anakin and Padme b/c his life is Not Complete without an Idiot to yell at and a Crazy Berserker who likes to pretend she’s The Sane One to ride herd on.

--->Obi-wan is Done With All Of Them b/c Sasuke isn’t even pretending to try and hide his intentions b/c if they get fired Sasuke can just take them back home for a proper marriage. Mikoto is So Proud of her boy.

>Madara and Mace have ‘sip and bitch’ IRT Palpatine being an evil fucker

->At some point Madara will wonder out loud what Palpatine is grooming Anakin for? Mace is Concerned by this revelation. Madera is not.

-->Sasuke had Issues IRT not sharing well with other children. BTW Mace Sasuke is planning to steal away Anakin and marry him. Don’t worry he will be returned eventually and so will his wife.

--->Mace thinks Anakin had it coming. WTF was the boy thinking? Did he really think he could hide anything from a temple containing several thousand telempaths? Jedi can get married, it’s just considered polite to ask first and go through the counselling with the Mind Healers beforehand. (Idea! Coruscaunti Jedi treat marriage the same way the Japanese treat Gun Control. Lots of paperwork and regular mandatory psyche evaluations and pervasive low-key terror at the idea of having one.)

->Madara will hear the “too much fear in him” story and cackles

-->Slaves have to please their Masters to survive. Anakin was freed to be a Jedi so if not a Jedi then he’s a slave again? No Fear = Be A Jedi (Not A Slave) and now Anakin is The Hero With No Fear

--->Therefore everything the Council dislikes about how Anakin acts was initialized by the Council. Mace hates Irony so much. Madara is still cackling in his face.

->Madara wants the aged out Initiates who still want to fight (or even just the Initiates who don’t suit the Jedi lifestyle)

-->He has a Clan to maintain! About 25% of the Uchiha never fell in love or fell in love with non-Uchiha so they need Marriage Options. (Uchiha don’t fall out of love easily either so new potential spouses need to be Impressive As Fuck and the jedi know how to be Impressive.)

--->Species doesn’t actually matter Uchiha’s Forest of Death planet has lots of different options despite being mostly Giant Fuck-Off Trees and the higher your Force Sensitivity the higher your chances are for successful cross-species hybrids. (Madara is planning to keep Obito and Itachi away from the aquatic species for a while b/c they have a concerning fondness for fishes.) Hybrids are viable though b/c The Force loves grand babies.

>Izuna is there as Madara’s Security Chief and he’s having Far Too Much Fun getting to be paranoid for a living. Plus all sorts of time to spend with his wife! (Need to pick name and develop Izuna’s wife beyond terrifying DFAB genderfluid interrogation specialist but at least they’re happy together.)

->Izunami (Izuna’s daughter) and Kagami are tiny children again b/c weird cross-dimensional space-time fuckery is like that

-->Shisui is super amused to be ‘older’ than his grandfather.

->Kagami approves mightily of Madara-shishou’s friendship with Mace (reminds him of Tobirama-sensei!)

->Izunami is 100% in favour of actually getting to ‘grow up’ with her Mom and Dad around this time (although she only really listens to Madara b/c he was her Parental Authority Figure and old habits don’t break) Jedi actually find this comforting b/c even if Uchiha crazy about attachments there are familiar bits there in how they arrange instruction even if the three students at a time thing is weird.

-->Both Izunami and Kagami are So Relieved that their Spouse is the same age as them b/c while they would be willing to wait until the other grew up this is much less creepy.

>Speaking of age fuckery Itachi is smol now and just about permanently leashed to Mikoto’s side.

->Sasuke is v amused b/c Aniki deserves this.

-->Mikoto and Fugaku are the first Uchiha couple to make a new baby and it’s Sarada b/c she’s the only good thing about the Next Gen (Except for Snake Fam but they aren’t a part of this fic boo)

>Obito is Madara’s primary assistant b/c some of the Uchiha are Not Over the whole Killing Us All Off thing.

->Obito runs into Quinlan Vos. Results are hilarious.

-->Brainwashing to the Dark Side ep. goes v differently. (Need to re-watch this ep for details but yes) Obito will rampage over everything b/c dude has No Chill

>Shisui is v jealous of his relatives b/c Itachi is too smol to play with and also has been hijacked by Isami (who will hold her death over Itachi for the rest of forever but again Uchiha don’t really fall out of love so she’s also learning Itachi wrangling skills from Mikoto now.)

->Everyone else is finding Jedi favourites and Shisui misses his ANBU team b/c it’s not like he really had time to make any other friends

-->Sulking Shisui trips over Feemor while waiting for Madara. Apparently Uchiha and Yoda’s Lineage have A Type.

>BIG PLOT POINT: Uchiha Remember

->’Curse of Hatred’ spun by Madara as ‘plague’ caused by ‘non-native invasive plants’ (Blames it all on Zetsu and says plant was toxic to non-Uchiha) Says is why there are no non-Uchiha in TG44′s population despite stories otherwise.

>Uchiha think the Jedi Code is silly but the Clones are the Best Thing. All Clones look different to FS/Sharingan

>Uchiha have a habit of “stealing” spouses.

->BTW Shisui has No Patience

-->Upside: Feemor is v flattered by the attention and TG44 has a v interesting ecosystem. TF is in everything on this planet like WTF how does this work?

->Kagami is So Proud. Look at his Grandson, so proactive.

-->Starts to ‘hint’ that maybe Madara-shishou should think about settling down.

-->Mace has been meditating and consulting with the other Masters of the Order.

--->War changes everyone. Plus certain contracts between the Jedi Order and the Senate have been voided by the drafting of Jedi Generals. (Look up the details of the Ruusan Reformation for more info on disbandment of Jedi Military Powers and what it means when Senate gives them back the right to raise levy forces.)

-->Jedi don’t need to look harmless anymore just need to look less dangerous than the Seppies and the Sith.

>Uchiha Clan FB keep any of them from Falling to the Dark Side.

->Sasuke finally gets his hooks in Anakin and Padme. Notices the ‘nightmare vision’ problem first time he sleeps over.

-->Kidnaps Obi-wan to ‘repair’ the stress fracture in Anakin’s only familial FB b/c having his partner be so alone in his head is creeping Sasuke out and it’d only get worse if the bond to Obi-wan breaks completely.

--->Obi-wan is too tired to even object and now Anakin is freaking out b/c he’d been so focused on Padme maybe-dying in childbirth that he hadn’t even noticed how sick his Master looks.

---->Oh and also there is a Sith Energy Parasite attached to Anakin’s FS and it’s been poisoning his bonds. Sasuke just facepalms while the Jedi have panic attacks and drags in the genjutsu expert hostile deprogramming specialists.

----->Upside: Uchiha now know what Sith Master’s chakra signature is and can hunt him properly. Also help Mind Healers check all Jedi for similar problems, starting with Active Duty Generals. My the Council Chambers look so much Lighter now.

>Then some stuff happens where Palpatine is exposed as the Sith Master and there are explosions.

>Plot Twist is that Madara and Mace have been banging and rewriting the Jedi Code of conduct since like their third date and no one picked up on it.

->Mace: *stares Anakin in the eyes* And that’s how you hide an affair, Skywalker.

*jazz hands* And this is how my fics look before I start writing them.

#Sanjuno self metas #Sanjuno Monolouges #prompt myself #Fic I haven't written yet #that we answer to our stars

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gregorsamsadementiaravenway · 6 years

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Stray notes after watching The Last Jedi

Or: why does this movie just keep getting worse whenever I remember it?

The notes are after the cut just in case someone hasn’t seen the film yet or doesn’t want a long ass bullet point post in their dash. Some of them are serious and well thought-out, some are nitpicky and some are there just for the heck of it.

“Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.” - Why, that’s just peachy, Rian! Too bad the future your selling is a little shit.

In general, Rian Johnson doesn’t seem to have much respect for the past. See tathrin’s post about all the things established in TFA that were turned upside down in this film, but I think Johnson doesn’t have much consideration for the original trilogy either, reducing Chewbacca to a background character and trying to replace “May the Force be with you” with some other, less inspired line.

Seriously, why are they saying “Godspeed”? Did monotheism reach a galaxy far, far away and they now, suddenly, have a notion of God? And, while were at it, why is “treacherous snake” a thing, now? Are there snakes in the Star Was universe? ‘Cause, so far, all animals have been on the fantastic side of things. What else is there? Do they have kittens??? That’s an important question...

The movie had A LOT of hamfisted comic relief. Of course there were some honestly funny scenes (I will forever laugh at Rey feeling the Force with her hand), but most of the jokes felt very out of place. For instance, the first scene, with Hux and Poe. I laughed my ass off at that interaction, but that’s an SNL sketch, not a Star Wars scene. I was half expecting Matt, the radar technician, to show up.

Seriously, someone should tell Rian Johnson that he isn’t directing Guardians of the Galaxy. In more than one scene, the excess of jokes killed what should’ve a truly great, emotional moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much indifference do I feel towards porgs?

The ammount of queerbaiting that went into promoting this film was insane. Look, actors on franchises like this one have media training, so whenever, say, Oscar Isaac ran his mouth about the possibility of Finn/Poe being canon, he was at least authorized by Disney to do so (worst case scenario, he was instructed to sell this narrative). I didn’t particularly care about the ship and I think Poe Dameron could’ve died in TFA without any harm to the franchise, but to hamfist that non-sensical romance between Finn and Rose after feeding the fans’ hopes for a gay pairing was, in my opinion, downright cruel.

And don’t even get me started on Poe and Rey’s meaningful gaze at the end of the film, with Poe going all “I know” as if he’s Han Solo or some hot shit like that! Poe/Rey is the worst possible ship to become canon. Yes, the worst. Yes, you heard me, worse than Reylo.

Speaking of Reylo: after TFA, I said that I low-key shipped them ‘cause that’s the kind of fucked up ship I like. Look, there are people in this website who like to wear diapers and want to fuck Pennywise, so, screw you, I’m not apologizing for wanting to read fics about a fictional pairing made up of two adults. HOWEVER, this is not the sort of thing I want to be canon. From the get go, my opinion on Rey’s official love life has been “either she ends up with Finn or she ends up alone”. That being said, I think they handled the relationship between her and Kylo Ren very well in this film. I’m glad they didn’t deny the fucked up sexual tension that was going on there, especially coming from Ren’s side, and chose to play into it. A failed redemption arc fits them perfectly and Kylo Ren’s “please” when he asks Rey to rule beside him was a great moment for the character and one of the few truly emotional moments of the film.

But that thing were they get to hit on each other through the Force, sharing sad stories and touching hands? Yeah, I’m pretty certain I’ve read that fic. Actually, I’m pretty certain I’ve read about three fics like that.

Let’s keep on the Kylo Ren track for now, then: he did get some very nice character development in this film. The Last Jedi was more his than any other character’s, even Luke. For a minute there, before the movie came out, I thought they were going to make some changes to him due to the whole backlash, but they went full “overgrown angsty kid” with him in a way that actually made him more compelling. I like the way Luke’s fear ended up pushing a conflicted teenager into the Dark Side and that Kylo is still very much stuck at that moment. As usual with Sith and Sith by-products, Kylo Ren is moved by anger, and his anger feels much more real after this little bit of backstory.

Who is Snoke, though? Are they going to explain that in the next movie? It feels like they should’ve done it in this one, but I hope they at least give him some context before the trilogy is over.

Sooooo... Did your conflicted antagonist cladded in black, with black hair falling all over his face, just trick his bald, deformed Dark Lord by using his occlumency powers? *Owen Wilson voice* Wow.

“The Supreme Leader is dead. Long live the Supreme Leader.” - A perfect example of a really amazing moment botched by comic relief, ie, Snoke’s little tongue falling out of his dead body.

After the film ended, @robogigante complained a lot about Hux’s transformation from an actual, threatening villan into a punchline, and, you know what? He’s right. There’s a scene there that looks like a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do I hate evil, square-headed BB-8?

I’m sort of glad Rey’s parents aren’t anyone important. Star Wars relies too much on heritage and it’s a nice change having a hero who isn’t Space Jesus or Space Jesus’ direct lineage. Her scene in the cave was incredibly beautiful.

They did point to something else in TFA, though, implying heavily that her origin was important and that Kylo Ren already knew about her. That was some Moffat level of badly written plot twist right there.

There’s something Emma Watson-y about Daisy Ridley. This is neither a compliment nor a complaint, just something I hadn’t noticed before.

Both Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver grew a lot as actors since the last movie, especially Driver. Even though it’s still hard to take Kylo Ren seriously sometimes due to Driver’s cry-baby face, he’s way more convincing in his rage and intensity than he was in TFA, where his acting felt a little too mechanical.

However, some of the other actors aren’t living up to their potential. John Boyega’s charisma is extremely underused and I know for a fact that Domnhall Gleeson can do a lot better than what he was given here. In a couple of scenes, even Hamill and Fisher seemed a little uncomfortable in their roles.

“Shit, we’ve already signed Lupita’s check! Gotta shove her in here, somewhere!” - I’m so sorry, honey. You are so beautiful and talented... You deserved way better than that.

Kelly Marie Tran is adorable and I absolutely love her in interviews and such. She seems like a delightful person. However, her character was completely unnecessary. Her only purpose was to serve as a future love interest to Finn, and I’ve made my thoughts about that pairing quite clear already.

“...it’s saving the ones we love...” - BITCH, YOU’VE KNOWN HIM FOR WHAT? A DAY?

As a matter of fact, all of that storyline felt completely unnecessary. It was as if the writers didn’t know what to do with Finn so they gave him a spunky sidekick and a pointless mission just to kill time. I found myself wishing he had spent the whole movie in a coma, and that’s really sad, because I really like John Boyega and was hoping he would become a strong protagonist for the franchise.

Another thing @robogigante pointed out (and I’m quoting him ‘cause I know he’s not making a post of his own) is that Holdo had no reason whatsoever to hide her plan from Poe or anyone else in the Resistance. She just... didn’t like Poe Dameron that much...

Excessive jokes aside, casino planet was okay and helped flesh out the Star Wars universe a little bit more. However, much like Phasma, Benicio Del Toro’s character (whose name I already forgot) was just another Boba Fett, all flash and no substance, and I particularly hate that “squeaky clean abused little children representing hope” crap. It’s one of the tackiest tropes in existence.

I did get the feeling that that kid is going to join the Resistance on the next movie. Like they’re going to do a ten year jump to justify Leia’s disappearance/death. It would also help the Rebels to get their shit back together, Kylo Ren to gain more control over the First Order and Rey to learn some more about the Force in order to meet her fate. The existence of that child is still horrible and that ending was so over the top I can’t even put it into words, but it’s a good hook for a leap that, if handled well, could be very good for the story.

I also got the feeling that they originally inteded to kill one member of the original trio per film. That would’ve been cool. Too bad Leia will have to die off screen.

Was it just me or is the timeline in this movie really weird? Poe’s plan seems to take place entirely in a day, maybe two, while Rey apparently spends at least a week in Luke’s island.

I’m glad Carrie Fisher got to have at least one badass Force user scene before dying. Her flight among the debris of the Rebel cruiser was a beautiful reminder of how powerful the Force can be, on par with Luke’s astral projection, not to mention a gorgeous scene in its own right.

Holdo and Leia definitely had a torrid love affair after the Organa-Solo divorce came through. No one will ever convince me otherwise.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do I love the crystal foxes?

There was a preoccupying absence of wipe transitions and epic soundtrack inserts. Actually, I don’t even remember hearing any music at all. The editing was way too conservative. It didn’t even feel like a Star Wars movie, sometimes.

How is it possible that The Force Awakens was basically a remake of A New Hope and still felt more daring that The Last Jedi? Look, we already know you’re not killing any of the characters ‘cause they have to come back for the next installment, but raise those stakes a little bit, jeez! Give Kylo Ren and Snoke more conflict before their face-off, give Rey an opportunity to actually scare Luke with something that matters, give Finn and Poe a mission that actually means something to the Resistance, not a MacGuffin to keep them busy... Anything!

The Last Jedi is actually an okay-ish movie, to be honest, but, in a way, I think I disliked it even more than the prequels. Sure, The Phantom Menace is objectively a much worse film, but at least it had soul. George Lucas’ midichlorian and CGI packed soul, but soul nonetheless. The Last Jedi has nothing. I know Star Wars movies are all about the money, let’s not delude ourselves that this is in anyway high art, but this one just felt like the biggest money grabber of all. There is no personal investment in it whatsoever and no sign of what makes Star Wars Star Wars in the first place.

When’s Lando coming back?

BONUS: I am never watching a fucking 3D movie again in my life. The background always seems out of focus, it’s too expensive and I hate putting glasses on top of my glasses. I don’t care if I have to wait a month to watch the next Star Wars, I don’t care if I get spoilers, I’m not watching anything in 3D ever again.

#star wars #the last jedi #the last jedi spoilers #edited some things i wasn't happy with

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rainright · 6 years

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anyway here’s my TLJ review

spoilers ahead. Also bad stream of consciousness writing.

So I think my ultimate answer to “Did you like The Last Jedi?” is no.

It was choppy, poorly put together in some parts. I thought the dialogue was fine, though I’ve seen complaints on that. Still, there were things that were clearly supposed to be funny or epic that fell flat.

Poe Dameron was completely assassinated. The whole plotline framing was bad. I think it’s ultimately interesting that the theme of the movie is “failure”, and every main character consistently deals with failure . . . So it’s fine for Poe to have all these plans that fail. But the set-up of this trigger happy flyboy who defies his superiors just isn’t consistent with the character. Sure, maybe if he’s a low-ranking kid. But not a 32-year-old commander. Also I’m sure you’ve heard this one before, but it’s not “feminist” for a white woman in a position of power to slap him. And shoot him. For no reason. Because she could have just said “yo, stop.” Whatever. Also being treated like a naughty child - “he’s a trouble maker, but I like him” blah blah blah - is like ???? He’s, uh, he’s a 32-year-old commander. He doesn’t need to have a storyline about acting like a trigger happy flyboy. The plot could still be similar, but I dunno maybe just have it so Poe is in charge but still failing. Not because he’s defying the white ladies’ orders. But just because they fail.

I mostly liked Holdo. I don’t necessarily like how she was framed as being “right” all along. I don’t think someone who withheld her plans deserves to be “right” in the end. Withholding her plans should have been shown as being a failure on her part - not a failure of Poe acting too quickly and stupidly. I thought her sacrifice was fine, though. Mostly because it set up for one of the coolest visual moments.

Leia. My favourite. They did some disservices to her (the Poe thing). People are making a big deal of her not grieving or anything. I would say . . . well, she doesn’t have time. Everything’s moving too fast. That’s pretty consistent with her! She pushes her feelings down and focuses on the cause rather than confront them. It’s what she did after Alderaan. I’d love for her to have a moment to really grieve in Episode 9. I can’t see how that could ever happen of course, which is very disappointing.

It was more of a disservice that Chewie got nothing. His best friend is dead. And yet Chewie is barely even relevant, doesn’t get any character work. Poor bud.

Finn and Rose . . . I love ‘em, I do. Their little side adventure was sort of out-of-place within the time scale, though. I thought maybe some of the timing issues might have been fixed a bit if, I dunno, rather than have the ships just racing away from the First Order, they kept jumping to lightspeed but were always caught not long later? Kinda like that Battlestar Galactica episode (33), where the fleet keeps jumping but the cylons find them in 33 minutes? I don’t know, just something so they could have more time gaps. The plot was too laggy to have happened in, like, a day.

But back to Finn and Rose. I thought their adventure was fun. I actually liked that plotline. It felt very campy and prequels-y. Which doesn’t make it bad. Though yeah, thought it was out of place. The chase with the horse-deer things was fun! I thought it was cute! And yeah, maybe it ultimately doesn’t change much at this terrible planet, but it’s something. And, see, Finn and Rose, unlike Poe, actually are “young” and doing something rash and unplanned is a much better fit in their story than his.

DJ was The Worst. Not right away. But man, talk about a character that really represents one of the movie’s biggest issues. Yes, it takes your expectations and dodges to the right, but sometimes it does it TOO MUCH. DJ is so much that. Criminal-y thief who seems like he’s in it for the money . . . and then ooh he gives Rose her necklace back! How nice. And then, oh, he betrays them. Wow. He doesn’t deserve that betrayal, because I fucking don’t care about him! He’s not important enough, he’s not developed enough! I just don’t fucking care about him! The betrayal is bad because it just doesn’t matter. He doesn’t matter. He’s a nothing. He doesn’t deserve to betray them.

Speaking of being nothing - well, actually, hold that thought. We’ll get to that. I gotta continue with this sideplot first.

Okay so having Finn & Rose kneel before the Nazis is right up there with Poe being slapped as Worst Moments. Like, Moments You Should Have Thought More Carefully About. Implications. I’m not gonna go out and accuse Rian Johnson of outright racism. I don’t know enough about the guy. But . . . you need to think things out. Be more conscious of what images you’re creating. Is there not a team of people involved who can catch these things? Step it up, guys. There’s no excuses for the kind of implicit racism in this movie.

Finn and Rose get a side-adventure which is ultimately about character development. Which is fine. But . . . Maybe the film spends a little too much time on something that ultimately amounts to nothing. While the movie is about failure . . . I do think it is poor storytelling to have such a plotline end in . . . nothing. No pay-off. They don’t succeed. Failure is a great way to really test your characters . . . But in this case you just end up with a plotline that falls flat. There’s no point to it.

I could have done without Rose kissing Finn. No need to shove a romance in where there doesn’t need to be one. Rose was sort of a nice foil to Finn. There were, like, no romantic implications in their story up to that point? And I liked that. Why can’t we have two characters who have an adventure together and don’t have a romance? Maybe I’m dumb and just want my ship to be the most canon though (we’ll get to that).

Well guys guess I left my FAVOURITE PARTS for last. Please understand the sarcasm.

Luke first.

My man. My boy. My favourite son. My plucky wannabe hero. What has happened to you? No no no I don’t like it. I hate to be THAT person . . . but no it’s out of character for you to run off and hide and wait to die while everyone you love suffers and the galaxy is at war. Luke Skywalker would NEVER. Maybe he went looking for answers at the original temple, maybe he got stuck and no one’s been able to find him! He’s been lost for years! But to go into hiding? Shut up this is bad.

That said . . . I did kind of like his stuff. It was, often, quite funny. But he was basically a different character. Which is a shame. Because Luke Skywalker is my favourite. I love him whole-heartedly. But I think I need to separate Legends canon Luke from New Canon Luke, don’t I? This guy’s been completely shattered. And as much as I say “Luke would NEVER” (hey, he didn’t when his nephew Jacen killed his wife! Yes catch me being an old EU fan) . . . this Luke would. This Luke was trusted with the son of his best friends - his sister’s son - and he failed. He ruined everything. The Jedi ruined everything. Or at least that’s what this Luke thinks.

I’m ultimately conflicted about Luke is what I’m saying, I guess. He had great scenes. He just wasn’t the same Luke.

Love that showdown with Kylo Ren, though. Did not love the becoming one with the Force. Though that may mostly be because I would like SOMEONE to be there at the end, if Leia can’t be. One of the Original Trio to be there to guide the newbies forward. But maybe that’s the thing . . . Let go of the past. Maybe the new kids have to find their own way. Maybe that’s ultimately the story here. Which I do like, thematically. They have to find their own way.

But OMG guys REYLO IS CANON ISN’T IT GREAT?!? God I’m kidding. Thinking about how anyone even ships that makes me want to puke. Also it’s not, like, really. You don’t have to read a romance into that. And you shouldn’t, because ew. I don’t know what a 30 year old would want, romantically, from a 19 year old? Though, okay, shut up it’s not the same as Han and Leia - I could talk about them all day, but this isn’t about that. ANYWAY. Kylo Ren’s not even looking for romance. He’s looking for a viable apprentice. Because that’s what Sith do. More on that later.

This seems like an unpopular opinion, but I actually really like Kylo Ren as a character. He’s an interesting villain. How do we top Vader? We don’t. We make a new villain whose pathetic. He wants to be like Vader so badly, and it’s fucking weird and sad. He’s not cool. He has temper tantrums. He’s unstable. He’s threatening because he’s physically powerful and mentally unstable - not on the same scale as Vader.

To treat him like a child is ridiculous, though. He’s, uh, 30 years old? Snoke calls him a “boy” and this is fine as an insult . . . but the story treats him like a kid trying to find himself. Make him younger if you want a story about that! It just doesn’t make sense for someone his age! Yeah, he can be immature and have temper tantrums and all that. But to set up the story of an abused child trying to find themself . .. get outta here.

Force Bonds! Cool, I love Force bonding. A thing from the old EU that I liked seeing. Y’know, like Jacen and Jaina Solo had a Force Bond. Luke and Mara Jade. And other characters who I cared less about, I guess. I thought that was actually interesting. Interesting to set up a link between the hero and the villain. Fine, cool, I’ll give ‘ya that one, I actually liked it. I want them to play it for laughs a little bit in Episode 9, okay. Just like on Rey’s end is a constant barrage of insults. And on Kylo’s is just like “but but but you’re supposed to be my apprentice boo hoo I’m sad and I don’t know how to talk to girls.”

That said . . . if Rey was a male character, would her story still be about trying to redeem Kylo Ren? Mayday mayday we got a textbook abusive relationship here. Trying to make the bad boy better. Ughh. I actually liked a lot of the Rey and Kylo Ren stuff, which really surprised me. But man she trusted him too fast. She ran off to save him. Stupid. Out of character. He killed her new father figure! He hurt Finn! He tortured her! But, hey, I can play this off as her really wanting the Resistance to win, I guess, and thinking that if she turned Kylo they might? Sure.

Rey of course means a lot to me, as a female Star Wars fan who loves Leia and Padme and hates how they’re disrespected by their narratives. For Rey to end up the same makes me sad. Now, I get that she’s conflicted. She doesn’t have that much of a reason to pick a side, after all. I wish wish wish that the focus of the story was more on her trying to find herself, discover who she is. That should be her story, not Kylo Ren’s. She had some of that, but just not enough. She spends too much time trying to save Ben Solo, but Ben Solo’s already dead.

I liked the sort of ‘Kylo Ren becoming a Sith’ storyline. I mean, yeah, apparently he’s not really a Sith. But see, Sith apprentices kill their Masters. That’s a thing. Kylo sees a potential apprentice, so he kills his master. He’ll become the master, he’ll train his apprentice, and the cycle will continue. Kind of interesting just in a ‘this is a canon thing we haven’t seen only heard about’ sense. Sheev talks about it in Episode 3 (or 2? I think it’s 3).

Rey is a nobody. Huh. After spending like 3 years thinking she must be a somebody, it’s kind of a let-down, but I’m pretty fine with it. It’s a fine answer. They’re going for “anyone can be a hero” which I think is pretty thematic to Star Wars. I would have been equally happy if she’d been a Skywalker or a Solo. It makes me think of that one TFA trailer that started with “Who are you?” “I’m no one.” She’s no one, she doesn’t think she’s important. But, see, anyone can be important, if they do Big Things. Luke says the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi - well, maybe Star Wars doesn’t just belong to the Skywalkers. They tied that theme together at the end, too, with the little boy who must be Force sensitive. My dad thinks Kylo Ren was lying, though (or Snoke lied to him), and Rey’s still a Skywalker, which I’d also be fine with.

I did spend a lot of the movie waiting for MY SHIP TO REUNITE. Because I love Finn and Rey. They are so sweet and wholesome. Good kids. At least we got the payoff of that hug! Yay! I hope JJ comes through for me in Episode 9 and lets those kids be together. Not that Rey needs a man. But, y’know, she can have one if she wants. Particularly Finn, because I’m biased but TFA set them up soooooooo well okay. It’s a good relationship. Very sweet.

Okay, I think I’ve talked about most things? Left out some, of course, but covered the main stuff.

To round up, some of my biggest issues:

Poe being treated like a naughty child. It’s fine for his plans to all fail, but the plotline should have been framed differently.

Finn & Rose’s whole plotline ultimately has no payoff and seems like it doesn’t belong. Bad story structuring.

Implicit racism & sexism oh boy

Kylo Ren isn’t a child and shouldn’t be treated like one

Rey’s plotline relied too much on a male character, not on her own self discovery

The movie threw off your expectations a little too much. After a while, it felt cheap.

On the other hand, some highlights:

I liked the new critters. They were very cuddly. The Porgs, the caretakers, the horse-deer things. I think the crystal foxes were my favourite. FIGHT ME.

I really liked Rose Tico

Force Bonds!

“Reach out, do you feel that” “Oh yes yes I do!” That scene was funny.

Luke’s explanation of what the Force is.

The scene with Yoda knocking some sense into Luke was fun. But lol “there’s nothing in that library that the girl Rey does not already posses.” It’s actually hilarious when you know that she took the books.

Poe being reunited with BB-8 was the cutest moment

#star wars #The Last Jedi #tlj spoilers #my opinions #movie review #I guess #Feel free to fight me but a lot of my opinions just parrot what other have already said better so . . .

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Finished watching Season 3 with my niece! (with bonus Rogue One!)

Hey! I finally finished watching Season 3 with my niece, and just like the previous two seasons, I made a compilation of most of her comments and impressions. As we had to wait for the Latin Spanish dubbed episodes to come out, we had the chance to also watch Rogue One, TPM, AtoC and the TCW movie. She had a meltdown with the S2 finale a couple of months ago so everything was still fresh for her. My own comments to her are in double brackets.

STEPS INTO SHADOW

“Where is Kanan? Why is Kanan not there? He’s always on the mission with them. Oh god, he’s dead, is he?”, ((The episode is just starting, watch)), “He’s dead in life…!! [wails]”

“WHAT? IS THAT EZRA!? How many years have passed?? I hate his new haircut, but… but he looks so grown up! And thin. Very thin. He’s a grown up noodle” (( HAHAHAHAHA)))

“Hey, I remember him! The pirate guy!”

“Woah. Ezra got a new gun”, ((blaster)), “Yes! He’s getting good! WOW! LOOK AT THOSE MOVES! Acrobatic fighting! He’s amazing now!”

“Great! He also got better with the Force. He’s going to-… [the walker scene plays out]… Oh no… Oh no! HE’S TURNING TO THE DARKSIDE! Kanan definitely didn’t teach him that! Who taught him that?? MAUL?”

“Ezra needs to chill, he’s too angry. The darkside will-… [holocron glows inside the helmet]. No. No. NO. Don’t touch the helmet. Put it down! NO. THE SITH HOLOCRON!?? NO! So dumb!! Haven’t you learn anything!?? Kanan needs to scold him! Set him straight!”

“Kanan is not there in the meeting either… ARRGH! Why wont they show him! That’s what we all want to know! They are making us suffer! [squirms on her seat]”

“FINALLY!”

“Kanan also changed, got older”, ((Just the beard))

“Is that a real voice? Is the sith holocron speaking to Kanan too? Nooo”

“Oh, ♫ here comes the scolding~! ♪”

“See? Only someone who uses the darkside can open it. Ezra’s going to use both! Light and dark”, (([poker face]))

“Yeah, take it from him. Make sure he doesn’t have it. It’s for your own good!… -[GASP] Talking back to Kanan! The nerve! He should ground him”

“Who is talking to Kanan? Is it a bad guy? He should be careful, it could be a trap”

[Bendu appears] “What is THAT!?”

“[eyes widen] Ashla? Bogan? He’s the one in the MIDDLE? THE BENDU!?? [starts going hype on her seat] SEE! THAT’S EZRA! EZRA IS LIKE HIM! Light and dark! He’s BENDU too!”

“He’s going to teach him how to see better with the Force? Neat”

“Who’s that scary blue guy”, ((His name is Grand Admiral Thrawn. He’s very intelligent and dangerous)), “I can tell”

“He can see the spiders now! And yes, yes, Ezra needs you right about now! Go!”

“Hahaha recovery operation”

“The phantom fell! D: Hera is going to be angry”

“Don’t worry Ezra. I’m so glad I know Hera and Kanan are on the way”

“Kanan should tell Ezra with the Force that he’s here to rescue him. He can do that, right?”

“He better catch him”

“Aww… they made up. Good!”

THE HOLOCRONS OF FATE

“Ezra still wants to use the holocron? Doesn’t he learn anything?”

“Oh. OH NO. MAUL. [RAGES]”

“Awesome! Bendu is going to be Ezra’s new teacher? To use the Light and the Dark?”

“I hate the spiders”

“Yeah, Sabine and Zeb are good, but they are no match against MAUL”

“Well, Kanan might have forgive him, but I still think THIS IS YOUR FAULT EZRA! HE WILL NEVER SEE HERA’S FACE! Ugh! I want to punch him!… and maybe hug him later, but slap him for sure!”

“Loook awaaaaay. LISTEN TO YOUR DAD”

((Who do you think Maul’s talking about? )) “Well, of course… [roll eyes] Obi Wan”

ANTILLES EXTRACTION

“Uuuh Sabine is going into the academy! Sneaky!”

“It’s nice that Ezra is worried about her”

[Kallus finds them] “Oh no, Agent Kallus is going to sto-…” [stares at me in disbelief] D: “Did he just… became a good guy?” ((Well, he still owed Zeb, remember)) “Yeah… you might be right”

HERAS’S HEROES

“Why are they risking going inside? Just for… that thing?”

“That blue guy will figure out she was a spy. He’s good.”

“See, he did.”

THE LAST BATTLE

“Those are the same droids we fight on Disney Infinity! This is awesome!” Note: She hasn’t seen clone wars or PT at this point.

“They have Zeb as a prize? Hahahaha”

“How was Rex programmed? Is he a also half robot?”

“Uhm… Ezra is good making friends”

“Yay! They got a new ship!”

IMPERIAL SUPERCOMMANDOS

“Who’s that again?” ((Fenn Rau)) “….who?”

“Why are the Mandalorians attacking them?”

“Her mom is BAD?”

“Hahahahaha, Ezra’s worried about his personal space! Look at his face!”

“They should just beat another mandalorian and steal his jetpack so Ezra can fly away with her”

“NO! THE JETPACK WAS SHOT!”

“She’s going to fix it, right?”

IRON SQUADRON

“They are going to regret not following Hera’s orders”

“Woah, Ezra, you are all mature now…. IS STILL YOUR FAULT KANAN LOST HIS EYES THO!”

“I think I can understand what Chopper says now”

“Now THAT is a Star Destroyer”

“Ezra and the others should just have left them” ((HAHAHAHAHA))

The Wynkahthu Job

“Yeah… Ezra trusts the wrong people easily. Like Maul. THANKS EZRA”

AN INSIDE MAN

“Who is that guy again?”, ((Ryder. From Season 2. The man who told Ezra his parents were dead)) “Uhmm….:|”

“Wait… is Thrawn going to make him ride the bike?… uh-oh… is he injured or…?” ((He’s gone)) “HE EXPLODED?”

“I LOVE WHEN THEY STEAL THE UNIFORMS. They just look at each other and it’s like they know what the other is thinking!” ((That’s kind of an ability with the Force too…)) “It’s awesome”

“Oh… there he is. Agent Kallus again. Ugh. Heh, at least he doesn’t know-… NOPE. HE KNOWS! HE KNOWS! …wait WHAT? He’s HELPING THEM? HE IS FULCRUM!? WHAT!? WHAAAAAAAAAT? He’s been a guy good all along?? BUT HE HURT THEM BEFORE!” ((It’s been only recently… maybe since that episode with Zeb. He helped Sabine, right?)) “YEAH BUT-… why does he stays with the Empire then!?” ((He’s a spy. He needs to keep face!)) “Is he going to come along with them?”

“WHAT? How… How does Thrawn knows what are they going to do?? He’s TOO SMART! D:”

“Ah, Ezra is smart by using the other walker as cover… small cover but its something”

“Oh, was that woman the wife of the guy who exploded? His… young wife? She does look young.”

“Thrawn knows it’s Kallus. He KNOWS it’s him. Thrawn is too smart! D:”

VISIONS AND VOICES

“That was a voice. Someone is calling Ezra. uh-oh… Ezra is going crazy”

“Oh no, no, no, no… it’s Maul, right? It has to be Maul”

“TELL THEM EZRA! SO MOM AND DAD CAN HELP YOU!”

“NO! IT’s RIGHT BEHIND-… WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM! IS EZRA DEAD!? He just fainted right? RIGHT? Oh, look at them…! They are all worried about him! EVERYONE IS WORRIED ABOUT EZRA! THEY ALL LOVE HIM” [starts sobbing] ((hahahahah, yeah, they all worry about-…wait… are you actually crying??)) “YES. They have become a real family! I’m so proud of them! They care about each other! It’s so beautiful!” (( [comforts/hugs her] o___________o [POTENTIAL DEAD OF KANAN AND EZRA STARTS MAKING ME FUCKING SWEAT] ))

“Look at them! They are waiting by his bedside! [dries tears]” (( .____. -OMFG- ))

“He is REALLY going crazy”

“Bendu is going to help them right?”

“Don’t turn around, don’t turn around, don’t- WAAAAAAAH!”

“He’s not your apprentice! Go Kanan! KILL HIM!”

“Well, Maul is right. They do need to defeat the sith. Uhmm… ok”

“He’s not going to hurt Ezra, is he?” ((No, remember when he said he was only loyal to him?)) “Yeah, but I thought he was lying… and because he keeps hurting his friends”

“oh, nonononono… Maul’s starting to talking about himself. I hate when he does that because it makes me care for him. His past is so sad” ((shitshitshitshitshit))

“They killed everyone… all his people”

“What is that place?”

“Is that a lightsaber?” ((Yep… you have seen it. Remember the fight we saw? Of Maul vs Lord Sidious?)) “Uh… yeah, where he kills his brother” (( Maul also had another lightsaber. A black one)) “Oh, that’s right, who made that one? A sith?” ((No… keep watching ;) ))

“Sabine would surely know”

“wait… is he… IS HE GOING TO MAKE EZRA DRINK ALCOHOL!?” ((uh… no, that’s like a dark magic potion)) “IT IS ALCOHOL. EZRA CANT DRINK THAT! He’s not 18 yet!!” ((… yeah, he’s 17 but that still not alcohol)) “It is! LOOK! Maul just toasted with him!” ((No, it is not)) “Ezra is coughing. It is totally alcohol…” ((….I…. ok… ))

“What did they just see? I don’t understand” (( A desert planet with two suns… Tatooine)) “oooohhh… that’s right. Obi Wan.”

“What’s that-! GHOSTS! GET AWAY! DONT LET THEM TOUCH YOU!”

“NOOO THEY TOOK KANAN AND SABINE! NOOO! ITS YOUR FAULT, EZRA! AGAIN!”

“Master versus Student. Nope. NOPE. NOPE”

“FIGHT IT, KANAN! You are the best! You can shake their control!”

“Ezra needs to bring the others outside the cave. Lure them”

“…. like brothers? He misses his family. But is he going to hurt Ezra now??… uh? HE LEFT?” ((Yep. He’s not going to hurt him.)) “Woah… maybe he is loyal to him after all. Evil loyal”

“How is it possible that Sabine is using that lightsaber?? SHE DOESNT KNOW HOW!”

“Ezra, you are a genius!”

“Sabine is going to take the lightsaber with her, right? Just like the jetpack. AWESOME”

( BONUS COMMENTS FROM ROGUE ONE!!)

I wasn’t able to take my niece to Rogue One when it came out because she was off on vacation during the holidays, so I was waiting for the blu-ray to come out. To start, my niece understands this is “3.5” on the timeline. Rebels’ placement is still a little confusing for her. These were her comments and impressions.

Who’s that? why are they looking for them?“

Woah… those troopers… they don’t look the same. ((Death troopers)) Uh-oh.

What… what’s going on? I don’t understand. Why are they leaving the girl? ALONE?

Is that the bad guy from Rebels? ((You mean Tarkin? No. His name is Krennic)) what a weird name…

Trust the Force? Is she a Jedi like Ezra and Kanan?

Where is Darth Vader? Is Darth Vader in this movie?

And now she’s an orphan. Great. They should have just ran.

Why is she in prison? What did she do!?

WHERE ARE WE NOW? What’s going on!?? Why aren’t they explaining anything!??

Why did he shot that guy!? Is he really a good guy? Why-? What-?

WHAT

Ok, so… there’s a message… and that guy brought it and… it’s important for someone called Saw Guerrera? Who send it again?

So her father is with the Empire and made the Death Star? He was forced to do so, I guess.

They want to KILL HER DAD? Are these really the Rebels we know?? ((They think he’s making more weapons, they want to stop him))

K2 is really funny.

That guy looks Mexican. ((He is)) HE IS!? OH! GREAT! Did he have problems with his accent? ((They kept his accent… there are many accents in Star Wars)) Oh, that’s good! :D [NOTE: We are Mexican]

What are they going to do to the pilot?? ((read his mind with that monster)) But he is not lying and he could lose his mind! ((Well, Saw Guerrera is an extremist, right?)) Overkill.

[Chirrut appears] Oh no… no. NO! HE REMINDS ME OF KANAN! HIS EYES! NOOO!

Kyber Crystals? ((Jedi use that for their lightsabers. Like Ezra, remember? It makes the laser.)) Oh… OOOOH, that’s right!

Is he a Jedi? ((Nope. A guard. He feels the Force but can’t use it like Ezra and Kanan))

Jyn can fight!

The blind guy is going to kick everyone’s butt…. THERE.

Hahahaha he’s blind. It won’t matter if they cover his face.

Why does Saw sound like that? ((There is something wrong with his lungs.)) The actor’s or the character’s? ((The Character))

He left her! He raised and left her! But why? He seems to like her enough.

[Galen’s message plays] oh… he did all of this… for her… [sniffles] …this is the first time I cry with a movie.

They are not shooting the Death Star right at them, right? RIGHT? OH NO. RUN! RUN!

He still wants to kill her dad?? He can’t do that! He wants to save them!

Chirrut is going to feel his bad intentions with the Force.

Does he look like a killer? xD Hahahaha.

Yay, the Rebels are sending help. ((Not, really, they are going to bomb the lab)) WHAT!? NO!!

Why won’t she start shooting!? Kill Krennic! He’s right there!

Grab your dad and get out of there!… oh, he’s not going to make it? It didn’t look that bad… :(

What planet is this? (( "Where Jedi go to die?”)) oh. OOOOH.

Hahaha Krennic is scared. Darth Vader is so intimidating.

Ohhhh, hahahaha, that was a great joke. He’s good! xD

They don’t believe her? bah… I would believe her.

((Did you hear that?)) Huh? ((They are calling for General Syndulla)) Yeah. (( Hera Syndulla)) Yeah, so? ….. [beat] …. [eyes widen] HERA? HERA SYNDULLA!? IS SHE IN THE MOVIE!? WHERE!? WHERE!? ((It was just a mention)) For the fans?

Sorry, I’m trying to see if I can spot anyone from Rebels in the background. ((Not yet. I’ll tell you when))

Will the others come too? Are they volunteering? That’s good. But they are so few…

[Jyn gives the speech] You know… I want you to know… I love how the main character is a woman in the new movies. It’s just so cool. Like with Rey. I love it. (( I know))

Why is Hera not helping them? (( I don’t know, maybe she had another mission?))

What a pretty planet. Was all that made with the computer? ((Most of that place is real… the bigger buildings are not)) With like… all the little islands and stuff? ((Yep! Is a beautiful place! Maldives, I believe)) Woah.

Hahaha they stole the uniforms. Classic.

You know, I like how Star Wars doesn’t show much blood everywhere. They get shot but is not like BLEARGH IM BLEEDING OUT. I rather watch it like this.

[I pause it just in time] ((DO YOU SEE HIM??)) CHOPPER! THERE’S CHOPPER!! I LOVE HIM!

Wooo! Here they come helping! YEAH!

WALKERS! RUN! RUNRUNRUNRUN!

They closed the barrier! They need to send the files through WiFi? ((Uhm…Yeah, kinda? lol ))

THERE’S THE GHOST! [several times through the battle]

Oh No, they are shooting K2. No. No, no, no. Please… not him… oh no.

Chirrut… the Force is with him…

Throw the granade away Bhodi-!…too late…

They are all dying.

She’s very strong to be able to climb like that. Crossfit?

I can imagine Hera flying through all of that and like Kanan and Zeb on the turrets shooting at all those TIE. ((We don’t know if Kanan and Ezra are around at this time. Yoda says Luke is the last Jedi on the other movies)) [looks at me dead serious] I don’t care what Yoda says. I don’t care if Luke is not the last Jedi. All I care is that Ezra and Kanan are alive. That’s it! They already took his eyes! THAT’S ENOUGH!“

Send the files through the wifi! NOW!

Who’s there in the hallway? As long as is not-… yeah, it’s him. They are dead.

Oh, OH, RUN. NOW! GO GO GO! Hahahaha [CHEERS] THEY DID IT! IT WAS A CLOSE CALL!

[GASPS] PRINCES LEIA! How did they make her look so young!?? AMAZING!

GHOSTS OF GEONOSIS

"SAW GUERRERA!”

“Where is Jyn? Is she going to show up here?”

“Kanan can sense him with the force”

“Woah Kanan is amazing! So cool! He’s the best!”

“hahaha, not a Skywalker”

“Those droids are too much for Zeb and Sabine”

“I think the alien bug is scared”

“Saw is really extreme”

“Ezra is good at making friends”

“When will Saw get his funny voice?”

“NOOOO, he only wants to protect the egg! Saw is being just MEAN!”

“Poor Klic-Klac! STOP HIM EZRA! SLASH HIS HAND OFF!… ok, you can tackle him too, fine”

“Sabine got her jetpack fixed! YAY! She’s going to kick their butts!!”

WARHEAD

“Well, AP5 is not wrong. Zeb is kinda like the muscle of the group. He’s not that smart”

“Woah, that robot is scary”

[The droid returns to the Star Destroyer] “They are screwed” ((because the droid is going to explode?)) “No, because Thrawn will know at least one his droids did found the Rebels.” ((…. O______O…. ))

“See? He now knows they are in one of those planets the droids visited. He’s too smart!”

TRIALS OF THE DARKSABER

“Uh… so this Mandalorian Jedi must have been, like, super cool”

“SABINE’S ROOM IS AWESOME! [SQUEAL]”

“Why is Sabine’s family angry with her? THEY ARE FAMILY”

“She doesn’t want the responsibility…. Heraaaa don’t push her”

“You know… [a little embarrassed] I kinda wish Sabine and Ezra had a thing together.” ((I don’t know if Sabine cares for Ezra like that. They don’t have time for dating anyway)) “There’s nothing wrong if she does… I mean… when she’s older and she wants kids” (( …even after the war, that might be complicated)) “But if she does…” ((…maybe… but so far they are like siblings)) “But they aren’t. They can end up happy together like Kanan and Hera” (( [stares ahead] Yes… end up happy like Kanan and Hera… o_____o [♪ HELLO DARKNESS MY OLD FRIEND ]))

“She needs to be careful with the darksaber or she will get hurt- AAAAAAAAAH! DID SHE LOSE HER HAND!?” ((no, she just signed it)) “She’s going to get angry”

[Sabine opens up] “….woah….”

“They will fight for her. They are family”

LEGACY OF MANDALORE

“Uh, I don’t understand what she’s saying. What is she speaking?” ((Mandalorian))

“I bet one of those Mandalorians is a sibling of hers. That one must be her brother” (( O_O ok…)) “SEE!”

“She’s in trouble with her mom!”

“Ezra is so silly and cute at the same time. Just shut up, hahahaha”

“So sad. Her dad is a prisoner… Maybe Ezra and Kanan can help her rescue him. That would make everyone happy and they would join”

“[GASP] Her mom is a traitor! She will betray Sabine! HOW DARE SHE!?”

“Ezra is such a gentleman, giving Sabine his lightsaber to defend herself” ((xD))

“Is no one really going to help her!? REALLY??”

“She can fix her jetpack, right?”

“She’s not a normal Mandalorian. Maybe she- [GASP] SHE GOT SHOT!? OH GOD, NOO!! HE SHOT HER!… ah, ok, it was her mom. GOOD JOB MOM!”

“Wa-wait… she’s staying!? WHAT!…. [sigh] Ok, ok, she’s right. She needs to save her dad and her people… [beat]… IS SHE NOT GOING TO GIVE EZRA A GOODBYE HUG!??”

THROUGH IMPERIAL EYES

[GASP] “What is Ezra doing here!?”

“He knows Fulcrum is Kallus, right??”

“YEAH! This is really dangerous Ezra! What were you thinking!?…Oh. They might know of Kallus? ok, then that’s fine then. They will need to flee quickly”

“What are those lizard things in Thrawn’s office?”

“Thrawn knows is Kallus. He knows. He’s just waiting for him to slip”

“Hahaha stop doing that… good old times”

“Not even Thrawn’s stormtroopers can resist the mind trick”

“Ezra! Push the rock on top of Thrawn! USE THE FORCE NOW! SQUISH HIM!”

“They think Ezra is Lyste. So funny!”

“‘You want to fill me in?’… :( … I keep forgeting Kanan can’t see… uuugh, WAAAAaaah! Why!? WHYYY!… [sigh]… seems like I’ll have to resign myself that he will stay like this forever…”

“W-what? Is Kallus staying!? AFTER ALL THEY WENT THROUGH!? IS HE STUPID? Thrawn knows it’s him! SO DUMB!”

“See? SEEE!? THRAWN KNOWS! UUUUUGH! [throws arms up] Great! GOOD JOB KALLUS!”

SECRET CARGO

“That droid again!”

“Uh-oh, these Rebel groups don’t like each other”

“Ezra knows how to fly those ships! Thanks Hera! He will make you proud!”

“That’s… that woman from the news” ((Do you remember her from Rogue One? The one that told Jyn they couldn’t do anything in the meeting)) “oh, right… so she joins the Rebels now”

“THE GHOST IS BURNING! NO HERA! NO! STOP! NOT THE GHOST. ITS YOUR BABY”

“Well, those ships really got there fast… like… too fast. She stopped talking and 'Hey! We are here!’. Weird.”

DOUBLE AGENT DROID

“Hahahah AP5 and Chopper are so funny”

“They are going to hack Chopper!? FIGHT IT CHOPPER!”

“AP5’s going to realize something is wrong. He’s being too nice”

“Careful with the codes! and with the base location!”

“No!… AP5 is lost in space! They can go back for him, right?”

“Yeah! Don’t mess with her droid!”

“YEAAAH EXPLOSIONS! Sabine would love this! Too bad she’s not here.”

“HAHAHAHAHAHA, He’s singing! HAHAHAHAHA”

TWIN SUNS

“Who’s that… Maul…”

“Easy Maul. I know a way to bring Kenobi out. Just use a kid. A young one preferably. That should work. It’s what I would do if I was evil… see? He’s going to use Ezra” (( [nervous laugh] ))

“I still don’t get it” ((What?)) “Why does Maul want to kill Obi Wan? What does he expect to happen?” ((Maybe feel better?)) “But Maul already made him suffer before and did nothing for him… now he wants to kill him again?” ((He doesn’t know any other way to fix the way he feels)) “Uhmmm… [unconvinced]”

“That’s Kanan’s room… but where is Kanan??” (( [holding back a 'ON HERAS ROOM! YEAH’]))

“Why won’t they let him go? Hera… don’t be so strict. He’s a grown teenager now. Kanan can go with him and it would be quick”

“He’s going… ALONE?… ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? Ezra! He’s Maul! MAUL! You can’t beat MAUL alone! He’s way more experienced than you! Even if you got better, you don’t have a chance against him! Leave that to the grown ups!”

“It’s amazing what the Holocrons can do”

“Of course it was a trap”

“[worried look on her face] You know… When Ezra hears Maul’s voice and makes him go a little crazy… I fear he will end up evil like Anakin”

“He should have stayed home”

“OBI WAN! HE CAME TO RESCUE HIM”

“OH MY GOD! THERE HE IS! Is he going to teach Ezra too??”

“Aw… ok, he needs to leave. Yep, he was manipulated. Kenobi will deal with that. Ezra has no business here”

“Does Maul want to get slashed through the middle, AGAIN?”

“He’s protecting… OH THAT’S RIGHT! LUKE!”

[Maul and Obi Wan prepare to fight] ((That’s Qui-Gon’s pose… the one he used when Maul killed him)) “oooooh”

“Bye bye lightsaber and… wait… Obi Wan got him too!?”, ((Yep, on the chest))

“THE CHOSEN ONE! Obi Wan must feel awful because he believed Anakin was the Chosen before and loved him, but at least he has Luke now”

“Is Maul bipolar or what. First he wants to kill Obi Wan, then he gets all emotional being held by him like he loves him… He can’t make up his mind. Oh well, at least the Chosen One will avenge him, that’s what mattered to him”

“Is… is Ezra keeping that ship!? Woah!”

“The family is back together! As it should be!”

ZERO HOUR

“Thrawn knows about the attack. Well… Kallus better tell the others.”

“Wait… WAIT. THAT’S EZRA’S ROOM! From the begining!” ((Kallus is sending his messages from that tower)) “SO COOL!”

“…what… THRAWN! Oh no…”

“Thrawn is going to win this fight… I don’t even know why Kallus thinks he can win. Just flee!”, ((He needs the message to reach them, he can’t leave before that))

“Those are the black troopers! From Rogue One! The really good ones!” ((Yep! Death Troopers))

“Heh, they had erased the planet from the maps… just like what happened with Kamino in the movies… but they couldn’t fool Thrawn either” ((Yeah, exactly, good catch. -Note: We saw TPM, AotC and TCW movies at this point… still need to watch RotS))

“Kanan still needs to teach him more things like a father… see? Ezra is right. Teach him more about life!”

“Wait, they even have a code signal to evacuate the whole base?” ((Well, yes, they need codes to know what to do, they are in war after all!))

“Heh, Kanan needs to go for Bendu”

“They can’t enter hyperspace… they can’t escape!”

“Mmmh… I don’t think Bendu is going to help them”

“What is Sato going to do? He rather die with a few…? Ok then”

“Oh… he rammed into the other ship-…WAIT! WHERE IS KALLUS!? He’s not in that one right? Oh! Phew! He was on the other ship with Thrawn. That was close”

“Well, now Hera is officially in charge of the whole base… not surprising”

“Kanan is making him angry. I think Bendu will end up attacking both sides”

“I still wonder if Ezra will end up in the Middle, like Bendu…”

“Why is he asking Mon Mothma for help?” ((She kinda became one of the leaders of the Rebellion, remember? When all the other ships showed up in the previous episodes)) “They won’t help… how ungrateful. Now what is Ezra going to do?” [“SABINE”] “What… WHAT? SABINE?? He can’t bring her into this! She has her own problems at home! He shouldn’t put her in more danger and there’s little they both can do!” ((He means her family, the Mandalorian)) “SNORTS HA! THEM? Please! The Mandalorians only care for their own people and their wars. You saw that. They are not going to help the Rebels just like that” (( [speechless] ))

“What is Thrawn’s plan now?” ((Attack them on ground and capture the higher ranks)) “What…? Why?” ((If he captures Hera and Dodona, he might be able to extract more information about the Rebellion and make an example of them by executing them later)) “Bah, Hera would die before revealing anything” ((They do have torture droids but they haven’t shown them in the show because this is for kids… they are very effective)) “Nah, Hera wouldn’t talk even then, they would have to kill her”

“How do shields work?” (( Sorry, I don’t know. Technology in Star Wars is sometimes a little fantastic… it just works)) “[unconvinced]”

“Oh no…. KANAN. KANAN FIND COVER NOW. NO. NO. NO! HE’S BLIND! STOP SHOOTING AT HIM!”

“That’s just funny because you are live! hahahahaha… yeah”

“I hate that they make Kanan 'look’ by turning his head around like he can still see. It confuses me…”

“I told you… the Mandalorians aren’t going to help Ezra”

“Ok, it won’t be an army… but I hope that’s enough to help them escape”

“Yeah, Kallus is not like Thrawn. He’s not blue! hahahahaha”

“Zeb and Rex are really good friends… I love how they fight together”

“They even brought those walkers! D:”

“The death troopers! They better run!”

“This is cliché… there’s a storm comming because OF COURSE it is [rolls eyes]” ((Isn’t it strange? This is a desert planet after all)) “Yeah, they have to get a storm in the story to make it feel more dramatic” ((well, you are not wrong but…))

“Ezra is here! Everybody run-!… HAHAHHAHA look how AP5 runs! HAHAHAHAH!”

“oh… is that… IS THAT BENDU?…”

“Ezra has a space suit!! HOW COOL!”

“Bendu is really going to attack both sides… Kanan better run. He’s reaaally angry at him”

“He’s the light, the dark, the one in the middle… it would be better if he was the one in charge of everything, instead of the Emperor. There wouldn’t be any fights” (( I’m… not sure about that))

“HAH! Thrawn thinks he can kill Bendu!… He-…what…he shot him down? WHAT!??? HE CAN’T DO THAT!”

“Is Pryce really going to throw him out to space??” ((did you catch Kallus’ smile there?)) “Yes! Maybe those two troopers are also spies of the Rebellion and they are going to help him escape!?” ((Erh… keep watching)) “Oh, well, that’s ok too… he’s very good fighting after all… only Thrawn has defeated him that badly”

“Is time to flee!”

“Do you see that Pryce!?? HUH! IN YOUR FACE! THEY ARE ESCAPING IN YOUR FACE! UUHH!! WOOOOOH!! [dances in front of the tv]”

[Bendu dissapears] “Heh…surprised, Thrawn?”

“Aaaaw… I don’t think I ever heard someone praising Kallus for a job well done like that… this is great, they are so accepting”

“They will make it happen!”

EXTRA:

Reaction to the Season 4 trailer: “Wait- wait… ’End like this’? Does- does she mean like 'in a good way’ or 'a bad way’?” ((…we don’t know…)) “Woah, this is very fast paced, very epic! Looks great!”

When told Season 4 is the last one: “WHAT!? WHY? Rebels is so good! What are they thinking? I still want more! They can’t do this!” [excruciating sounds]

When shown Forces of Destiny announcement and dolls: “They look amazing! I want to watch that series too and I want the dolls for Sabine, Ahsoka and Hera… there IS a Hera doll, right??” ((I sure hope so kiddo))

In general, I’m really freaking nervous with Season 4 because Kanan is pretty much her favorite character, and in her eyes Hera and Kanan are definitely together, being Ezra’s adoptive mom and dad. Her crying when Ezra fainted in Visions and Voices caught me completely off guard. He had just fainted. Dear lord, I don’t want think the problem I’m going to have in my hands with her mom if she returns home an emotional mess if they die. I don’t know about other target audience, but she made it clear to me during Rogue One that they MUST be alive. And I’m just here, praying and hoping she’s right.

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