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its-a-blog-i-guess · 1 year
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Hey dose anyone know a fanfic, where Peter is the carnage king?
descriptions: it’s an ultimate Spider-Man fanfic where Peter is the carnage king. Both harry and flash end up kissing peter. Harry to cure him and flash to give him part of the venom symbiont. I can’t remember what it’s called, and I want to read it again.
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vertigoartgore · 7 months
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90's Venom by Rod Reis.
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samasmith23 · 6 months
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One of my favorite Spider-Man: Clone Saga stories has always been the 4-part "The Exile Returns" arc, which not only features Ben Reilly's debut as the Scarlet Spider, but also Benjy's first major victory as a superhero since returning to New York after 5-years when he singlehandedly defeats Venom in mortal combat. What made the fight between Ben and Venom so epic was that the story was actually a response to a previous story in Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #375, which had Peter Parker make a deal with Venom to stay out of each other's way. The reason that was done was because Marvel wanted to turn Venom into an anti-hero during the 90s, but a lot of fans and creators were really pissed off about that story, since they felt that Peter making a pact with Venom betrayed the character's sense of responsibility. And this frustration was openly expressed in The Exile Returns, with Ben Reilly being incredibly shocked that Peter would have done such a thing, basically declaring to himself, "If Peter's not going to accept responsibility and bring Venom to justice, I'll have to step in and do it myself!"
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Spider-Man group editor Glenn Greenberg even commented on the writers of The Exile Returns deliberately referencing ASM #375 in the 36-part online essay, "The Life of Reilly," which extensively covers all the behind-the-scenes drama surrounding The Clone Saga:
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And the way Ben defeats Venom is so clever and inventive! Instead of relying upon the symbiote's usual weaknesses of loud noises and extreme heat, Ben utilizes his own original inventions as the Scarlet Spider. Ben shooting multiple "impact-webbing" pellets down Venom's mouth which immediately expand into hundreds of little webs that get caught directly in-between Eddie Brock and the symbiote, weakening their bond as Ben then shoots his "stinger" web darts to further weaken Venom as he beats him into submission.
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Seeing Ben Reilly singlehandedly take down the one supervillain that Peter Parker was never able to truly defeat up until that point was honestly one of the most badass and entertaining fight scenes that I've ever read in a superhero comic!
And its honestly shocking that neither impact-webbing nor stingers stuck around in the comics after The Clone Saga ended (only appearing in the video game adaptations), since those things are so FREAKING awesome!
From adjectiveless Spider-Man (1990) #53 by Howard Mackie & the late Tom Lyle (May he Rest In Peace...).
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toomanysubcultures · 5 months
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Drawing a marvel character every day till I get too tired to do it pt 6?: Eddie Brock and Venom
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jhirowolf · 11 months
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So Marvel's Spider-man 2 gameplay dropped and we got to see the symbiote in action, i dig it, a bit anoyed the symbiote is still used to make Peter "angry and bad" when that wasn't really what the symbiote did in the original storyline.
BUT that's not why i am here, i am here because i wanna mention something i noticed when i first saw the Symbiote suit, and that's the way it's armored, because it looks VERY familiar to me, especialy in the shoudlers and face.
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The Fortnite Venom with the natural exoskeleton armor look of the symbiote, even with the tendrils being a part of his combat. I dig it tbh.
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reaperlight · 2 years
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Holy queer-coding!
It's practically the same formula of "break up make up" as Eddie and Venom in Let There Be Carnage. What did he do, Red? Did you just get bored waiting around Ravencroft?
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(...Homophobic, alien-phobic Spider-man always trying to break up happy relationships 💔)
Bonus...
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...it's the same picture--new meme format.
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kitausuret · 2 years
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Me, You, Mew, and Two??
HAHA, HAHAHA... Okay, I was wondering if someone would ask about this one. Here's a fun fact that I'm sure at least a few of you know about me, but I got my start in fandom writing Pokémon fanfic! After Detective Pikachu came out a few years ago, I really wanted to write something, literally anything with Mewtwo again. So with a little bit of multiverse shenaniganary, I managed to cobble together the worst Pokémon/Marvel thing you've ever seen.
Because clones should meet each other.
They gathered as much patience as they could muster up before projecting their thoughts. “Why do you always contact me when you discover something you do not know what to do with?” “It’s intelligent,” Deoxys responded, holding up the small, quivering blob of biological material. “It connected - bonded, really - with me, briefly. It’s a genetic copy.” It paused as if for a reaction. Then, helpfully, “Like you.”
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kid-az · 7 months
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All Tomorrow’s: Vanga Vangog’s Processor and Asteromorph’s HC’s
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The grand finale of this saga of Vanga’s posthumans, and this one is on one of the saddest stories among the posthumans, the Mantelopes! In canon they had been born in bodies that made them unable to meaningfully interact in the world inspite of their sapience, and this would disappear quickly in a few thousand years as their songs of sorrow turn into regular mating songs and bellows.
Of course, that had not happen in Vanga’s timeline. Instead, the Asteromorph’s took interests on these posthumans due to the realization of their high intellect. This process, at first merely one of master and servant, would become a symbiotic one for both parties, with the Processors acting as the Asteromorph’s brains and memory-keepers, and the Asteromorphs the Processors hands and (Relative) brawn.
You can do a surprising amount with just a brain, and the Processor’s are the penultimate conclusion of that question, their relationship with the Asteromorphs making their empire far more technologically advanced and powerful than in canon, ironic considering the Asteromorph’s themselves wouldn’t become bigger brained.
-Their curious minds and natures made Processor’s extremely excited and interested on learning new ideas and things, to the point that they and the Asteromorph’s would make earlier contact with the Second Empire in this timeline, learning about all of their cultures and sharing some of their technology and ideas. This also had the benefit of stopping the Gravital’s from killing everyone.
-They kept their ancestral traditions of singing songs, their laryx (Voice box) being the only thing other than their brain to grow in size. Only instead of singing exclusively sorrowful songs, they instead sung songs of hope, rage, and so many other different emotions, including those only they can feel. Their laryx were so developed that they could mimic a ton of different sounds we couldn’t, including metal guitars, chainsaws, plane jet engines, and stuff that is beyond our hearing range.
-Most Processors are born offworld in the zero-gravity habitats of their Asteromorph Symbiotes, though there is still a very sizable trillions of them living in their home-Star system. This birthplace is effectively their version of Mecca, as almost every Processor visits once to several times during their lifetime. (With help from Asteromorph’s of course.)
-The Asteromorph’s are much less reclusive than in canon, and in fact a sizable amount of the population are now living in space habitats or even low-gravity worlds of other posthuman species. The highest populations of them live alongside the Modular People, Stickmen, Pterosapien’s, and the Satyriac’s .(Even they need to cut loose and party!)
-The Asteromorph’s knowledge of their ancient history, alongside the Processor’s general intelligence and assistance from the Second Empire, allowed them to find their ancestral homeworld earth far earlier. No one would inhabit the planet however, instead deciding to seed the almost deserted planet with new life from each of their worlds and millions of years later, when the sun threatens to blow up, they safely move earth into a new star system, allowing the introduced, establish and possibly sapient life to flourish.
-The Asteromorph’s and Processor’s of later times treat eachother like friends or even siblings, with an eachother being paired so long as they get along very well.
-After reaching connecting eachother’s consciousness’s, the Processor’s would offer their Asteromorph and other posthuman brethren the ability to do so as well, with them being able to agree or decline however they see fit.
-Once finding the Qu, this Posthuman empire would not horrifically mutate or kill every last one of them, instead deciding to strip them of all of their biotechnology, take down their leadership, and having them live alongside as equals….. the posthuman’s unwilling to stoop down to their abusers level.
-Like in canon, they would all disappear from this galaxy, but instead of it being a relatively ambiguous fate, the Author’s species would discover what had truly happened to humanity……… in that they had reached apotheosis and have left this universe altogether, instead deciding to seed new universe and life, so that they may love today, and seize all tomorrows.
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sciderman · 28 days
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Ngl i am kinda anoyed the symbiote is just a "manipulative evil metaphor for substance abuse" in Spider-Man adaptations. When the symbiote is so much more interesting, more layered and i preffer when the suit is treated like an unhealty relationship with boundary issues and lack od comunication, where Peter sees it as a physical thing while the suit is in love with Peter and doesn't understand boundaries (hence taking his body on rides while he's asleep). That's kinda what i like about the original alien suit saga, the suit isn't the focus and it's all fairly subtle where it doesn't turn Peter angry or evil.
substance abuse? okay, i don't really think i've consumed a lot of the more recent adaptations of the symbiote, save for the venom films and spider-man 3 (my beloved. it's not good. i love it somehow regardless. it's agony to watch.) i think it's so boring to read the symbiote that way. besides - people can be self-destructive without it being related to substance abuse. it can be allegorical for anything, anything.
i think with the symbiote (or any metaphor at all) it can't be 1:1 – but the way i see the symbiote is that it's kind of an embodiment of his ego. the symbiote - actually, is a force that loves peter parker and wants to protect him.
it embodies the opposite of self-destruction, actually. peter parker - peter parker is self-destructive. but the symbiote? the symbiote wants nothing more than to protect peter. because they're one.
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the symbiote, to me, the way i write it, is an embodiment of peter's sense of self-preservation. it's his ego. it's his sense of self-love. it's all the things peter does to protect himself, and nurse himself, and soothe himself, and bolster himself, and shield himself.
it's all of peter's habits, and all of his insecurities. everything he does out of a sense of self-love and self-preservation. so that's why...
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but also why...
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so it's all of peter's behaviours that peter's brain orchestrated to soothe him and protect him - good and bad. the suit loves him, but also isolates him out of a sense of self-protection.
peter is scared of getting close to people - particularly johnny, because - you know, bisexual panic. and so the symbiote literalises this and is terrified of flame. i think it's funny goofy that in 9319 it's canon that the symbiote is weak to flame because peter is gay for johnny and can't handle it. hilarious. i am hilarious.
(also the symbiote is weak to high pitched frequencies because peter's autistic ass was already sensitive to noise!!! the symbiote just soaked it up.)
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the symbiote was a blank slate, and only learns from peter. so what comes out with symby, is just - it's just what peter is, but manifesting in a way that facilitates peter looking at it from an alien perspective. like peter knows it's him. but he'll deny it, and pin it on the alien. and so when peter rejects the symbiote, he's rejecting himself. he's rejecting all of the things he's ashamed of. and his rejection of the symbiote is the actual destructive force.
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aaaat least that's the way i see it.
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sonofthesaiyans · 10 months
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Okay, Ymir Fritz....
Genuinely curious, am I the only person that doesn’t give a damn about this character? 
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For as long as i can remember I have been COMPLETELY apathetic to the elephant in the room that is Ymir Fritz, the very cause of all the Titans and 2000 years of suffering. Basically this story’s Anti-Jesus. 
It may be because Gabi Braun had already derailed the story for me so I couldn’t give a fuck about Titans’ origins anymore, but that aside, is anybody genuinely fascinated by the explanation provided by Ymir Fritz’s very existence? 
Her entire saga with King Fritz, the releasing of the pigs, being fused with that nameless symbiote, which in itself is another entity that didn’t really come full circle in the final arc.......NONE of it engages me in the slightest. 
I mean I was never a huge fan of when they subverted the original story by showing that it was Marley who deliberately created the TItans to wipe out the people of the Walls, and I don’t consider the Marley to be especially well-developed as an enemy faction, but everything comes back to Ymir......I was thoroughly underwhelmed and could not really accept her story as relevant to the plot. It could be because she simply came up too little, too late. Or because I genuinely found her story uncompelling. Horrific? Sure. But for a horrifying backstory, it sure was a bore. 
That’s to say nothing of the idiotic revelation that she needed to see Mikasa “let go” of Eren so that she could let go of her love for such a monstrous human being like King Fritz.......Not only was that totally in bad taste, but it was a HIDEOUS solution to the Titan curse. Them and the symbiote vanishing with little real consequence, that was totally anticlimactic. But it all boiled down to the cringiest kiss ever seen since a human princess kissed a blue hedgehog?  Oh yes. I went there. 
There’s only one Ymir in this story I want to watch. And that is our long lost goddess here. 
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Anyone else feel totally uninvested in Ymir Fritz? Because half the time, I have to remind myself oh yeah, she exists.......For such an enigmatic character, Ymir Fritz left virtually NO impact on me. 
Do you guys agree? 
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king-gob · 10 months
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Ben Reilly Reading Order
A friend asked me for a reading order for Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider, and it turns out that is easier (MUCH easier) said than done.
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Four and a half hours later, here it is. I figured I’d share it here as well, for anyone who might want it.
ORIGINAL CLONE SAGA Amazing Spider-Man #139-151
CLONE SAGA PRELUDES "Shrieking" - Amazing Spider-Man #390-393 "Live and Let Die" - Web of Spider-Man #113-116 "Beware the Rage of a Desperate Man" - Spider-Man #46-49 "The Predator and the Prey" - Spectacular Spider-Man #215-216 "Son of the Hunter" - Spider-Man #50
CLONE SAGA: ACT I (OF III) "Power and Responsibility/The Double" - Web of Spider-Man #117 - Amazing Spider-Man #394 - Spider-Man #51 - Spectacular Spider-Man #217 "The Exile Returns: Part One" - Web of Spider-Man #118 - Spider-Man #52 "Back from the Edge: Part One" - Amazing Spider-Man #395 - Spectacular Spider-Man #218 "Second-Rate Choices" - Spider-Man Unlimited #7 "The Exile Returns: Part Two" - Web of Spider-Man #119 - Spider-Man #53 "Back from the Edge: Part Two" - Amazing Spider-Man #396 - Spectacular Spider-Man #219 DETOUR: "Separation Anxiety" - Venom: Separation Anxiety #1-4 "Web of Life/Web of Death" - Web of Spider-Man #120 - Amazing Spider-Man #397 - Spider-Man #54 - Spectacular Spider-Man #220 - Amazing Spider-Man #398 - Web of Spider-Man #121 - Spider-Man #55 - Spectacular Spider-Man #221 "Behind the Terror" - Spider-Man Unlimited #8 "Funeral for an Octopus" - Spider-Man: Funeral for an Octopus #1-3 "Smoke and Mirrors" - Web of Spider-Man #122 - Amazing Spider-Man #399 - Spider-Man #56 "Puppet" - Spider-Man: The Clone Journal #1 "Players and Pawns" - Spectacular Spider-Man #222 - Web of Spider-Man #123 - Amazing Spider-Man #400 (Also Part 1 of "The Parker Legacy")
CLONE SAGA: ACT I (ACT II) (OF III) "Aftershocks/The Parker Legacy" - Spider-Man #57 - Spectacular Spider-Man #223 DETOUR: "Carnage Unleashed" - Venom: Carnage Unleashed #1-4 "The Mark of Kaine" - Web of Spider-Man #124 - Amazing Spider-Man #401 - Spider-Man #58 - Spectacular Spider-Man #224 - Spider-Man Unlimited #9 DETOUR: New Warriors #59-60 "Lives Unlived" - Web of Spider-Man #125 "Crossfire" - Amazing Spider-Man #402 - Spider-Man #59 - Spectacular Spider-Man #225 DETOUR: Spider-Man 2099 Meets Spider-Man #1 "The Trial of Peter Parker" - Web of Spider-Man #126 - Amazing Spider-Man #403 - Spider-Man #60 - Spectacular Spider-Man #226 "Planet of the Symbiotes" NOTE: If you read this (and you should), you should also read the Venom detours above. - Amazing Spider-Man Super Special #1 - Spider-Man Super Special #1 - Venom Super Special #1 - Spectacular Spider-Man Super Special #1 - Web of Spider-Man Super Special #1 "The Lost Years" - Spider-Man: The Lost Years #1-3 NOTE: There is an issue #0 but it's all reprints of stuff earlier in this list.
CLONE SAGA: ACT II (OF III) "The Jackal Files" - Spider-Man: The Jackal Files #1 "Maximum Clonage" - New Warriors #61 - Maximum Clonage Alpha #1 - Web of Spider-Man #127 - Amazing Spider-Man #404 - Spider-Man #61 - Spectacular Spider-Man #227 - Maximum Clonage Omega #1 "Exiled" - Web of Spider-Man #128 - Amazing Spider-Man #405 - Spider-Man #62 - Spider-Man Unlimited #10 DETOUR: At this point, Ben joins the New Warriors. He will be involved with them until issue #71, four issues before the end of the volume. The Maximum Clonage prelude in issue #61 is the only one that really matters for the Clone Saga so read those or don't, depending on how comprehensive you want to go and/or how much you enjoy New Warriors. - New Warriors #62-71 "Time Bomb" - Spectacular Spider-Man #228 - Web of Spider-Man #129 "The Greatest Responsibility" - Amazing Spider-Man #406 - Spider-Man #63 - Spectacular Spider-Man #229 "The Parker Years" - Spider-Man: The Parker Years" DETOUR: Spider-Man Team-Up #1-5
CLONE SAGA: ACT III (OF III) "You Say You Want an Evolution" - Scarlet Spider Unlimited #1 "Virtual Mortality" - Web of Scarlet Spider #1 - Amazing Scarlet Spider #1 - Scarlet Spider #1 - Spectacular Scarlet Spider #1 "Cyberwar Part One" - Web of Scarlet Spider #2 - Amazing Scarlet Spider #2 INTERLUDE: Green Goblin #1-3 "Cyberwar Part Two" - Scarlet Spider #2 - Spectacular Scarlet Spider #2 NOTE: The next several issues aren't a "story arc" in a traditional sense, but just follow Ben settling in as the One-And-Only Spider-Man. - Sensational Spider-Man #0 - Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1996 - Spider-Man Holiday Special 1995 - Amazing Spider-Man #407 - Spider-Man #64 - Spectacular Spider-Man #230 - Spider-Man Unlimited #11 "Nightmare in Scarlet!" - Web of Scarlet Spider #3 - New Warriors #67 - Web of Scarlet Spider #4 "Family Plot" - Spider-Man/Punisher: Family Plot #1-2 "The Final Adventure" - Spider-Man: The Final Adventure #1-4
CLONE SAGA: ACT IV (OF III) "Media Blizzard" - Sensational Spider-Man #1 - Amazing Spider-Man #408 - Spider-Man #65 "The Return of Kaine" - Spectacular Spider-Man #231 - Sensational Spider-Man #2 - Amazing Spider-Man #409 - Spider-Man #66 "A Show of Force" - Spectacular Spider-Man #232 "Web of Carnage" - Sensational Spider-Man #3 - Amazing Spider-Man #410 - Spider-Man #67 - Spectacular Spider-Man #233
CLONE SAGA: ACT IV (ACT II) (OF III) "Blood Brothers" - Sensational Spider-Man #4 - Amazing Spider-Man #411 - Spider-Man #68 - Spectacular Spider-Man #234 - Sensational Spider-Man #5 - Amazing Spider-Man #412 "It Begins with a Bang Not a Whimper" - Spider-Man #69 DETOUR: Venom: The Hunted #1-3 "Who Did Spider-Man Murder?" - Spider-Man Unlimited #12 NOTE: The following issues follow a loose storyline of Ben fighting villains while Peter slowly becomes sick. - Spectacular Spider-Man #235 - Daredevil #354 - Sensational Spider-Man #6 - Amazing Spider-Man #413 - Spider-Man #70 - Spectacular Spider-Man #236 - Sensational Spider-Man #7 - Amazing Spider-Man #414 - Spider-Man #71 - Spectacular Spider-Man #237 "Redemption" - Spider-Man: Redemption #1-4
CLONE SAGA: ACT IV (ACT III) (OF III) "Onslaught Impact" - Amazing Spider-Man #415 - Spider-Man #72 NOTE: Some more filler. Editorial problems at this time caused the Clone Saga to majorly stall out. - Spider-Man Unlimited #13 - Sensational Spider-Man #8 - Spectacular Spider-Man #238 - Sensational Spider-Man #9 - Amazing Spider-Man #416 - Spider-Man #73 - Spectacular Spider-Man #239 - Sensational Spider-Man #10 - Amazing Spider-Man #417 - Spider-Man #74 - Green Goblin #13 (end of this run; Ben is there) - Spider-Man Unlimited #14 "Revelations" - Spectacular Spider-Man #240 - Sensational Spider-Man #11 - Amazing Spider-Man #418 - Peter Parker: Spider-Man #75 (title change from adjectiveless SM)
CLONE SAGA: EPILOGUE - Spider-Man: The Osborn Journals #1 - Spider-Man: 101 Ways to End the Clone Saga #1
POST-REVELATIONS "Who Was Ben Reilly?" - Amazing Spider-Man Annual #36 - Amazing Spider-Man #608-610 "Scarlet Spiders" (Spider-Verse tie-in) - Scarlet Spiders #1-3
THE CLONE CONSPIRACY - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 4 #16-18 - Captain America FCBD 2016 (B story) - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 4 #19 - Clone Conspiracy #1 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 4 #20 - Clone Conspiracy #2 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 4 #21 - Clone Conspiracy #3 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 4 #22 - Clone Conspiracy #4 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 4 #23 - Clone Conspiracy #5 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 4 #24 - Clone Conspiracy: Omega
BEN REILLY: SCARLET SPIDER "Back in the Hood" - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #1-6 DETOUR: Secret Empire "Death's Sting" - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #7-9 "The Slingers Return" - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #10-13 "Bad to the Bone" - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #14
DAMNATION - Doctor Strange: Damnation #1 - Doctor Strange #386 - Doctor Strange: Damnation #2 - Doctor Strange #387 - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #15 - Doctor Strange: Damnation #3 - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #16 - Damnation: Johnny Blaze, Ghost Rider #1 - Doctor Strange #388 - Iron Fist #78-80 - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #17 - Doctor Strange: Damnation #4 - Doctor Strange #389
BEN REILLY: SCARLET SPIDER (ACT II) "Untitled Mysertio Arc" - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #18-19 "Deal with the Devil" - Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #20-25
SPIDER-GEDDON - Edge of Spider-Geddon #1-4 - Spider-Geddon #0 - Superior Octopus #1 - Spider-Geddon #1 - Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man #311-312 - Spider-Geddon #2 - Spider-Girls #1 - Spider-Gwen: Ghost Spider #1 - Spider-Force #1 - Vault of Spiders #1 - Spider-Geddon #3 - Vault of Spiders #2 - Spider-Force #2-3 - Spider-Geddon #4 - Spider-Gwen: Ghost Spider #2 - Spider-Girls #2-3 - Spider-Gwen: Ghost Spider #3 - Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man #313 - Spider-Geddon #5 - Spider-Gwen: Ghost Spider #4
DETOUR: BATTLE FOR THE SERPENT CROWN NOTE: Cameo from Ben in this Conan team-up book. - Conan: Battle for the Serpent Crown #1-5
DETOUR: IRON MAN BY CHRISTOPHER CANTWELL NOTE: Ben is one of Tony's "Space Friends" that join him in his crusade against Korvac. He drops out of the book around issue #19, when the group disbands. - Iron Man Vol 6 #1-19
SPIDER-MAN: BEYOND - Amazing Spider-Man #75-78 - Amazing Spider-Man #78.BEY - Amazing Spider-Man #79-80 - Amazing Spider-Man #80.BEY - Amazing Spider-Man #81-85 - Devil’s Reign – Spider-Man #1 - Amazing Spider-Man #86-87 - Mary Jane & Black Cat: Beyond #1 - Amazing Spider-Man #88 - Amazing Spider-Man #88.BEY - Amazing Spider-Man #89-92 - Amazing Spider-Man #92.BEY - Amazing Spider-Man #93
DARK WEB DETOUR: Hellions #1-18 DETOUR: New Mutants #25-28 NOTE: These detours will set up the Madelyne Pryor half of the Dark Web scheme. Completely optional for the purposes of this list, but recommended (They are good!) - Spider-Man/Venom: FCBD 2022 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 6 #14 - Dark Web #1 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 6 #15-17 - Dark Web: X-Men #1-3 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol 6 #18 - Dark Web: Finale #1 NOTE: I would read Hallows' Eve, as that book is about to circle around back into ASM for Ben plotlines. Might be a good idea to watch the upcoming Dark X-Men, as well.
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vertigoartgore · 7 months
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Stuff of nightmares (for a young reader at least) : Ben Reilly (briefly bonded with Cletus Kasady's symbiote) turning into Spider-Carnage. Evil Ben done right (not that current Chasm crap). Terrific mid-90's art by John Romita Jr. & Al Williamson from 1996's Spider-Man #67.
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samasmith23 · 1 year
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Interpreting the Spider-Man: Alien Costume Saga as a metaphor for OCD
Awhile back I was revisiting the classic Spider-Man: Alien Costume Saga for the first time its entirety in the two "Complete Epic" TPBs Marvel published which collect both the Amazing Spider-Man and Spectacular Spider-Man issues which comprised the saga. When I read the concluding issue of volume one, Amazing Spider-Man #258 by written by Tom DeFalco & illustrated by Ron Frenz, I came to an interesting realization: there are actually some striking parallels between Peter's experiences with the symbiote and some of my own struggles with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, or OCD.
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This comparison might seem random at first, but let me try to explain it.
A major element of OCD aside from dealing with the constant and uncomfortable repetition of intrusive and anxiety-inducing thoughts, is the feeling of being overwhelmed by multiple forms of pressure (both internal and external) all at once. You feel like you have no control over the events of your life, but you simultaneously find it very difficult to find the willpower and initiative necessary to take active steps for positive improvement.
So when you look at the plot of the original Alien Costume Saga, Peter Parker is facing external pressure on multiple fronts: his Aunt May refusing to speak to him after he dropped out of Graduate School, Robbie Robertson being a much stricter boss at the Daily Bugle, relationship struggles with Black Cat, facing multiple supervillains as Spider-Man, and Mary Jane just now dropping the major bombshell that she's known Peter's secret identity for several years now! Because of all this, Peter feels like he's losing control over his life, and the black suit makes those feelings quite literal by unknowingly possessing his body at night to go for web-slinging joyrides while he sleeps, therefore making him even more exhausted than he already was beforehand, sleeping entire days in.
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But it eventually all culminates in a breaking point for Peter. Following the infamous dream-sequence where gigantic versions of Spider-Man's red-&-blue and black costumes are fighting for possession over Peter's body, Peter finally decides to finally take some active steps to regain control over his life. The first and foremost of these steps is to no longer procrastinate on Reed Richard's previous offers to scientifically analyze the black suit. Something which Peter decided to do just now after noticing the suit acting strangely more than once. It's finally upon Reed's analysis that Peter discovers the alien costume's true nature as a living symbiote that's determined to permanently bond itself onto Peter's body.
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OCD operates in a similar manner, in that only by acknowledging which thoughts are OCD and which are not can you deduce the root cause of your mental anxiety and start take the steps to combat it. And OCD, just like the symbiote, often refuses to let go of its grasp on you without a fight, but certain steps can be taken to effectively do so such as when Reed deduces the symbiote's key weaknesses of fire and sonics.
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Some people might be confused why in my summary of the events building up to Amazing Spider-Man #258, I neglected to mention Peter struggling with the symbiote negatively influencing his emotions a encouraging him to commit evil actions, or the symbiote's future host Eddie Brock, aka Venom?
The thing is, those aforementioned elements debuted in adaptations of the Alien Costume Saga outside of comics like the 90s Spider-Man: The Animated Series and Sam Rami's Spider-Man 3, which future comics later retroactively included as being part of the original storyline. When Spidey's black costume was first introduced in the comics during the 1980s, and the idea of it being a living symbiote or even the character of Eddie Brock/Venom wasn't even conceived by the writers at the time. The original idea of a black costume for Spider-Man was actually originally conceived of by a fan named Randy Schueller, who pitched the idea to Marvel in a talent-search contest, describing to CBR in 2007:
"I thought it would be cool if Spidey needed to upgrade his powers and his look, so I came up with this idea that Reed Richards had made a new costume for Spidey using the same unstable molecules that the FF costumes are made of. The unstable molecules would flow into Peter’s pores and allow him to cling to walls better. I think my original idea was to increase his sticking power by 25% or something like that."
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Then Marvel Editor-in-Chief Jim Shooter bought the idea from Schueller for $220, but instead of Schueller's initial concept the black shape-shifting costume idea was integrated into the Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars event from 1985, originally presented as costume made from some sort of weird alien fabric. Additionally, writer/artist John Byrne stated on his personal website that he had conceived of the idea of a self-repairing biological costume while illustrating Iron Fist, but when he ended up not using it for that title he was asked by Roger Stern if he could use the idea for his Spider-Man run. Interestingly enough however, while the black suit chronologically first appeared in Secret Wars #8, the alien costume's first appearance publication-wise was in Amazing Spider-Man #252 (the last issue Stern plotted for his iconic run), released a few months prior. The way Secret Wars tie-ins were handled was via a time-skip similar to DC's "One Year Later" initiative following Infinite Crisis event published two decades later, with the 52 maxiseries filling in the gaps of missing year in-universe.
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In the publication time between Amazing Spider-Man #258 and Secret Wars #8 however, a lot of fans surprisingly really hated Spider-Man's new black costume. Long-time readers were initially offended by the idea of Spidey receiving a costume change, which is something that had never occurred since the character's debut in the 1960s. Marvel caved into the vocal fan-backlash and by Amazing Spider-Man #258 that the costume was actually a living alien symbiote that sought to permanently bond itself to Peter's body, with this revelation being foreshadowed in the previous intervening issues as the symbiote began taking Peter's body for web-slinging joyrides while he slept. However, by the time the symbiote retcon was introduced and Peter discarded the alien costume, fans had actually grown to love the black costume over the intervening months, which led to Peter quickly obtaining a cloth version of the black suit from Black Cat that he would frequently alternate with.
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As for how Venom would come to enter the equation, Eddie Brock's first full appearance would be in Amazing Spider-Man #300, written by David Michelinie & illustrated by Todd McFarlane. While Michelinie has stated in interviews that he was solely responsible for the creation of Brock as a disgraced journalist who held a personal grudge against Spider-Man, the idea of him becoming the next host of the alien symbiote can actually be primarily attributed to McFarlane. See, McFarlane absolutely HATED drawing the cloth version of Spidey's black costume and desperately wanted to have Peter return to his classic red-&-blue suit. McFarlane stated:
"I came into the Spider-Man office after doing the Hulk and they wanted me to do Spider-Man," McFarlane explained. "But he was in this black costume. I didn't wanna draw this black costume. It meant nothing to me. I wanted to draw the red and blue... So, they said, 'Todd, if you just come on at #298 we promise that maybe we can get rid of it.' And I go, 'Well let's just get rid of it fast!’ So, I did a character... I ripped the costume off him... I did this character called Venom, handed it to David Michelinie, the writer, and they said, 'Just hold on, hold on, hold on,' he continued. So, then, all of a sudden I do #298, he's still in the black, #299, he's still in the black, finally #300, look I even said here on the cover sketch, 'Can we do one in the black and the red? Come on, I want to do the black and the red.' And they said, 'Yeah, yeah, yeah, fine.'"
To achieve this end, David Michelinie ended Amazing Spider-Man #299 with the cliffhanger of Mary Jane being suddenly frightened by Venom in her and Peter's apartment, and following Spidey's battle with Venom in the following issue, MJ demanded that Peter get rid of his cloth black suit due to how much it reminded her of Venom.
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And Eddie Brock was introduced by Michelinie, whom during off-panel events from The Death of Jean DeWolffe storyline wrote a series of interviews with a man he believed to be the serial killer Sin-Eater for the Daily Globe, before being later pressured to publish the Sin-Eater's identity. However, Brock was fired due to Spider-Man catching the true Sin-Eater literally minutes after Eddie's article was published. Disgraced and humiliated, Brock developed an intense hatred for Spider-Man, and later bonded with the alien symbiote when the two encountered each other in the church bell tower where Peter famously discarded the black suit in Web of Spider-Man #1, which was the final issue of the original Alien Costume Saga.
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Ironically, Randy Schueller, the aforementioned fan who originally pitched the black costume idea to Marvel, was actually not a fan of Venom himself, describing the character of Eddie Brock as “disturbed," stating that:
“I was never a fan of the costume-turned-villain idea. Venom just never really seemed to work for me.”
But going back to the symbiote's pre-Venom portrayal in the Alien Costume Saga... in a sense one could actually view the original depiction of symbiote suit as an effective metaphor for dealing with some of the symptoms of OCD!
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tisiphonewolfe · 7 months
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Which Tectomancy Saga race do you belong to?
Let's play a little game! Each culture in The Tectomancy Saga is blessed with a Divine Magic from their goddess. Pick which one you'd want to be able to use, and check under the read more to find out a bit about which Tectomancy Saga culture you belong to!
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Find out what you picked under the cut!
If you picked TECTOMANCY you are HUMAN
Humans in the world of The Tectomancy Saga are known for their great architectural feats, such as the ringed island city of Leirsham and the great marker-columns which they use for navigation. Tectomancy is wielded and passed down in secret by members of the royal family. Congrats on becoming a Tectus! Did you marry Almyra? Releine won't be pleased.
If you picked ILLUSION you are an ALFR
The Alfar are mostly native to the rocky plains and deserts. Their vast, mostly-underground cities are concealed by enormous, powerful illusions. They lay out their dead in an ever-expanding pattern, each town's centre a mausoleum, as they believe this permits them to communicate with their ancestors. They have stick-thin torsos and necks, as well as inner eyelids, and tripartite ears which they can move independently.
If you picked ENCHANTMENT you are a DEMON
Demons mostly live underground, in the warm places near the base of the world. At the very centre of their society lies Hell, their capital city. Their reputation as tricksters and tempters is unfounded, and their culture is quite firmly based in trust - you do get the occasional rogue causing havoc on the surface, but there are equally as many trying to use their powers for good. They come in many different forms - tall, short, wings, no wings, hooves, no hooves, a million colours and shapes of horn. Their sclera are all pure black, however. Demons also have the curious habit of naming themsleves after virtues and traits when they come of age.
If you picked CONJURATION you are a GENOMOS
These guys probably don't reach your hip. They have wide, drooping ears and a heavy focus on academia. Every specialisation you could ever dream of is taught at their university cities, and their primary export is geniuses. The person who's at the tippy-top of their field will get named a Genius, granted the power of conjuration by their Archdean, and sent off to spread their talent through the world.
If you picked NECROMANCY you are UNDEAD
Four hundred years ago, a shadowy cloud swept over the edge of the world on the edge of the human realm. People touched by it were changed - they didn't age, they didn't die. Some hungered for flesh and blood. Some found themselves burned by sunlight. The land rotted below their feet as the plague spread westwards, until the entire eastern border was quarantined. Scarce few among the people there found that they could now speed up and slow biological processes.
If you picked GRAVITURGY you are a DROICH
The Droichs like the icy mountains at the north rim, where they live symbiotically with the Dragons. After the Dragons turned on humankind, they moved into Droichish territory for protection. The Droichs were cautious at first, but now exist in a welcoming partnership with their scaly friends, using their power over gravity to mine materials to repair their hides with. In return, the Dragons fly them all over the world for trade.
If you picked CHRONOMANCY you are a GOBELIN
Gobelin language is hard to translate for most people. They communicate in sped-up time, so quickly that most can't process it. Because of this they function like schools of fish in small groups, coming to consensus on who should do what when extremely quickly. They excel at large projects, but do poorly when it comes to individuality. Gobelins are very much cogs in their machines. As a result they have names like eats-loudly or sings-in-the-shower for easy identification.
If you picked DIVINATION you are an ORKIM
The Orkus are typically gentle folk, large and blue with cute little tusks, content to farm and craft in their swampy, marshy stilt cities. However, their divine magic is aquired only via strength, which has forced combat to become part of their culture. Their warriors - battle-sisters - follow the rallying cries of their battle-mothers, the strongest among them, who their mother-goddess has granted the sight - the power to see possible futures. Most, like Yurhagh for example, would rather live a quiet life, as say... a fashion designer.
If you picked SPIRIT MAGIC you are BEASTFOLK
Part-animal, part-beast, though they have no specific rules on which part is which. They live in seclusion somewhere deep in the Arboric ocean, very rarely appearing outside their own society. People who go looking for them often disappear.
Tectomancy Saga Tag List (DM to be added or removed!): @indy-gray @sam-glade
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frankendykes-monster · 4 months
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🔥 spider-man
You really do not need to be making any sort of comprehensive "I understand this character" type of statements about Spider-Man without having read the Ditko/Lee run. I'm actually not sure how much of a given it is to expect people to actually engage with material (in this case, the "source text" for Spider-Man) before they make comments on it but whatever. Even in a case where, admittedly, American superhero comics are hellish when it comes to finding an initial foothold, Spider-Man is embarrassingly easy to start with (at the beginning...) for such a popular character.
It's been nearly a decade since I first read it but I wasn't a fan of Kraven's Last Hunt at all. Much like the second Clone saga or the early 2000's story arc where Peter was being hunted down by an interdimensional vampire or whatever, it's one of those stories that was massively improved by Spider-Man: Life Story.
I kind of wish we got more Mysterio stories that actually did an introspection on the character. Functionally he serves the same niche as The Scarecrow for Batman where him showing up means another character is gonna get some introspection but I digress. Huge missed opportunity on Marvel's part (mostly gonna have to blame John Romita unfortunately) for him not being a guy who's outfit and motifs change on a regular basis. In his first two Ditko stories alone he serves as an evil Spider-Man doppelgänger and then masquerades a psychiatrist trying to probe Spider-Man's secrets. It shows a lot of range for the character that later never got taken huge advantage of.
I never really got why Ben/May needed to be Spider-Man's aunt and uncle rather than his parents. To my knowledge Ditko has never addressed or brought up Peter's parents, and Lee said "we just need to get them out of the house." When the subject did finally get addressed in Amazing Spider-Man Annual 5, I'm not sure that having them be secret agents that were investigating the Red Skull was the means by which people were satisfied with. Some argue that it dilutes Peter's status as just being a regular guy but Ultimate Spider-Man did a much more natural version of it with Peter and Eddie Brock's parents both working together on genetically engineering the symbiote before being killed in an act of industrial sabotage; it may mean that Peter was brought into this world long before being bitten by a spider but it helps cement his status as the "little guy".
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spidermannotes · 25 days
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SPIDER-MAN: THE COMPLETE BLACK COSTUME SAGA OMNIBUS
The entire shocking saga of the symbiotic suit that became the iconic villain Venom! When Spider-Man returns from the Secret Wars with a snazzy new black costume, he's faster and stronger - and has an unending, built-in supply of webbing! All the better for tussling with foes like the Rose, Black Fox, Red Ghost, Jack O'Lantern, Puma and the Blob! But something's not quite right. Curse that ol' Parker luck, the black costume is a hungry alien symbiote…and it's grown very attached to him! With help from the Fantastic Four, Spidey gets free - but the sinister symbiote isn't finished with him yet, and Spidey soon faces the fight of his life to avoid a permanent bond! Collecting AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (1963) #252-263 and ANNUAL #18; MARVEL TEAM-UP (1972) #141-150 and ANNUAL #7; PETER PARKER, THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN (1976) #90-100 and ANNUAL #4; and WEB OF SPIDER-MAN (1985) #1.
Hardcover: 992 pages
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Release date: September 24, 2024
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