#trope discussion

[blindbeta]

A trope I see used is "sighted people explaining colors to blind people", like "blue is like cold water", "red is like fire", etc. Is that a thing that actually happens? And how do actual blind people feel about it?

Explaining Colors to Blind People

Personally, I don’t believe it is necessary. Blind people do like to know about color, but we don’t really need people explaining that pink is like flower petals, as romanticized as this idea is. Describing a sweater using a color and shade would suit our needs most of the time.

To explain, most blind people can actually see something. Blindness is a spectrum. A lot of us can see colors depending on what our vision is like. This trope comes up because most media portrays only one blind character who is almost always totally blind. While totally blind representation is a wonderful thing, this can lead to some confusion among those who have never met a blind person.

Additionally, some people go totally blind later in life and retain memory of colors.

Explaining colors in media is mostly done for the totally blind characters. However, this is where the description of unnecessary also applies!

To explain, most blind people already associate colors with concepts, moods, textures, or sounds by childhood. Since a lot of media focuses on children, teen, and adult characters, explaining colors wouldn’t be necessary. It may also be unwelcome if someone prefers not to listen to other’s perceptions of color. On the other hand, some blind people may be interested in how others perceive color even if they aren’t changing their own ideas.

Anyway, unless a child is very young and interested in colors, I don’t find explaining colors to blind characters to be a very realistic or helpful gesture.

Instead, it would be helpful to describe more scenery, images, text, or other visual things to blind characters and blind people in real life. Scenes in media often bypass providing descriptions by having a character share a wistful, “I wish you could see it.” It would be a nicer gesture to have characters casually describe things instead.

Most blind people don’t need or welcome descriptions of what colors are. They may, however, like actual descriptions of patterns in clothing items, color and style in art, or audio descriptions for visual media.

I believe people get too caught up in the idea of blind people not being able to see colors that they forget there are pretty of other things blind people can’t see (or can’t see well enough) that they aren’t as willing to put effort into describing.

If anyone else would like to share their experiences with this or their personal opinions, please share in the notes or reblogs!

#trope discussion #blind #blind characters #writing blind characters #ask #blind people

[zeroducks-2]

Do you think sladick could take a step further in the relationship and actually get married? I personally see them as some sort of toxic relationship so I don't think marriage would 100% work for them but I want to know your thoughts

I myself don't see Sladick as a toxic relationship, or better not necessarily. I have been mentioning this a couple of time in the past but to reiterate, my favorite thing about this ship is that their impeccable chemistry makes them work (in my book) with every kind of scenario. Partially quoting my answer to when I was asked Sladick for the ship ask game:

I love when Slade is abusive, but I also love when he takes better care of Dick than anyone else. I love when Dick does the sweetest most domestic things around Slade because he feels so safe. I love it when he spits blood and resentment in his face, realizing just how bad this man broke him. Slade can be a guardian angel to Dick, or he can be the reason why Dick is losing his sanity. Sometimes they're madly in love, sometimes it's just sex, sometimes Slade is a rapist and sometimes he'd tear to shreds anyone who dares touch his most precious little bird. Basically every Sladick dynamic you can think of works with me.

Going by this, it should be a given that in the right circumstances and if you tweak their personalities enough, they could indeed take the relationship "a step further" and get married, but here I contradict myself because I would really dislike that. Specifically I would dislike a strictly heteronormative, ring-around-the-finger monogamous relationship, especially if we're talking marriage in the old fashioned, traditional sense of the word.

It might be that my queer, polyamorous ass tends to dislike when marriage is used to show that indeed a relationship was "taken a step further"; I don't like the concept of marriage per se, or the history behind it, or how in narrative it tends to be the happily ever after for two people to show that now their relationship is "mature enough". And I ESPECIALLY dislike when marriage is used to sort of "prove" that two people are actually deeply on love - they have to be since they are married - nah fuck that.

So I guess my answer would be that if you want to craft a situation in which Slade and Dick are happily married, you have my blessing. At the end of the day there is nothing that "won't work" for a ship as long as you make it work - we can make everything work in transformative stuff, and if tomorrow I want to write Dick growing a second head there's nothing stopping me. But it's not going to be my cup of tea for sure. Both the marriage and Dick growing a second head.

(To be clear, when I say this I don't mean ALL the scenarios in which Slade and Dick are married, like of course a Royal/medieval AU or an Omegaverse AU would go by different societal standards and rules, giving a different meaning and context to marriage and similar kind of unions. I'm talking about mundane AUs - coffee shop or college or idk truck driver&gas stop clerk AUs - and canon universe situations, in which marriage exists as that specific kind of "symbol of the fact that we truly love each other" romantic trope. That's the hard no for me.)

#my asks #sladick #trope discussion

[creepybaesment]

So you know how we all love the troupe right person wrong time? Angst lovers at least generally love this troupe.

I ingroduce to you; wrong person right time.

In any other circumstance they wouldn't work, maybe they wouldn't have even met. Maybe they even would've been enemies, but that didn't happen.

And it can tie into right person wrong time too if you wanted it could be a super cool troupe if we all picked it up I think.

#writing talk #trope discussion #right person wrong time #but #wrong person right time #i think itd be cool

[eggheadsguidetorunning]

Understanding the Love Square for the Uninitiated and the Fans

So I think I finally understand the fandom’s general (not all encompassing) use and interpretation of the love square in miraculous. So for comprehensive purposes what is the love square? 

Fig 1.

Fig 1 stolen from reddit.

So Fig 1 shows the start and general love square for most of the show. Adrien (the blond for the uninitiated) is also cat noir (guess) he loves ladybug. Marinette (the girl with blue eyes) is also ladybug she loves Adrien. This leads to the relationships you see in the love square. You might notice the mutual is with the secret identity and the heroes this leads to different interactions then the rebuffs or oblivious of the other two nonmutual relationships. 

The mutual relationships get play in two situations. One Ladybug is going to act awkward and unsure of herself. See Marinette does not take stupid pills despite what others may argue. However, their is a rock in Adrien’s pocket, and only his, that drops Marinette’s (and in turn Ladybug’s) IQ by lots. Expect comical dramatic irony when those two interact and for them to be too shocked or oblivious to notice each others feelings.

Adrien’s mural relationship with Marinette is a sense of calming bliss. This means if Cat Noir and Marinette meet it normally results in a calming of one or the other in turmoil (i.e. Cat Noir has gotten rejected or Marinette is struggling with Adrien). Prepare for comical dramatic irony and growth of characters understanding each other.

The other two relationships just go back and forth poorly. Marinette is too awkward and scared to reveal her feelings to Adrien without getting in her own way. Cat Noir is too full of himself and counts on a charm that annoys or seems fake to Ladybug and seems to deny the seriousness of the situation in Ladybug’s eyes.

So What does this have to do with the fandom? Wellllll.

#ml #miraculous ladybug #miraculous chat noir #marinette dupain cheng #chat noir #ladybug #adrien #love square #trope discussion #tropes

[starkillling]

i was tagged by @ciaran ty my love!!!

key: bold+italic for really love, bold for like, unmarked for ‘i will read this if nothing puts me off’, and struck-out is ‘this will make me click away except under rare circumstances’.

slow burn or love at first sight // fake dating or secret dating // enemies to lovers or best friends to lovers // oh no there’s only one bed or long-distance correspondence // hurt-comfort or amnesia // fantasy au or modern au // mutual pining or domestic bliss // canon-compliant or fix-it // reincarnation or character death // one-shot or multi-chapter // kid fic or road trip fic // arranged marriage or accidental marriage // high school romance or middle-aged romance // time travel or isolated together // neighbors or roommates // sci-fi au or magic au // body swap or gender bend // angst or crack // apocalyptic or mundane

i'm tagging @arahir because i have nobody else to tag bc my tumblr is drier than hell

#writer things #prompts #trope discussion

[emmafrostyyy]

y'all sleeping on Astarion/Lae'zel bc this moment is so...the way the flippant demeanor drops and he doesn't hesitate to call her out for sticking with her version of Cazador like their relationship is so underrated fr...

sitting down writing this bullshit like let me peel it like an onion a bit and elaborate why this pairing is fascinating to me

It's really interesting how during the most cathartic, life-altering moment in Astarion's questline, the reactions of the other companions are more about the moral wrongness/guilt of sacrificing innocent lives. Lae'zel doesn't do that and instead relates to his hurt.

She knows what's he's feeling, the lack of control, the unfairness of being powerless for too long. This is a woman who just found out her entire life purpose was built on lies, discarded and hunted by her own people after outliving her usefulness, and groomed to basically die for an insane power-hungry lich queen. She knows all too well that power isn't always real freedom. Her first instinct is to empathize with Astarion to steer him away from his hate and resentment.

Astarion/Lae'zel is so interesting to me because they're such a classic "can we make each other worse or make a better person out of the other?".

They both have genuine appreciation for violence and respect each other's ruthlessness. Astarion was used as a weapon of seduction while Lae'zel was of warfare. Sex with people is meaningless and not real intimacy for them, and while both have little understanding/experience of interpersonal relationships beyond the physical, they still feel and love very deeply. They have no frame of reference for things like friendship and warmth, but they badly want all of that and more, even if they don't know it yet.

In-game they can sleep with each other, which is basically the foundation of the normal Tav/Astarion romance. Lae'zel saw him during combat and got horny, who knows. Astarion who's used to luring people with his charms, takes up Lae'zel's blunt offer because she's a strong hardened warrior that can provide protection and be a worthy ally, and he doesn't know how to say no. Navigating the complications between one who wants to be seen beyond as a sex object, and one who comes from a totally alien culture with no concept of love/family/connections and only sex is honestly really compelling to me. It's a transactional, mutually beneficial thing with no emotional expectations. Once you get past the skeevy rockiness of their early relationship, I really like the idea of them slowly seeing something past the exterior and realizing they may have harshly misjudged the other, an unspoken friendship blooms, and in comes the realization that they are essentially loners longing for kindness and a comforting touch in the most desperate of situations.

Lae'zel is prideful, direct, has no sense of courtship talk, and doesn't hold back her thoughts the slightest--she's not sweet/agreeable and what you see is really what you get, which I imagine would be disarming for Astarion who's used to vacuous flattery and has difficulty trusting others. But she's also insanely protective, passionate, loyal, and an initiator-- every romance scene is triggered by her first and she's always showing effort towards her relationships, which would mesh well with Astarion who does need someone to nudge him.

She doesn't purposely suppress her feelings, she's just simply at loss at how to express them sometimes due to her wildly different upbringing. She stops the sparring match you agree to and an easy vulnerability slips instantly out of her: "I don't want to hurt you. I want to protect you, and for you to protect me." and "Thus far I've taunted you, devoured you, battled you. Now I want more than anything to soothe you." are romantic as fuck and Astarion of all people really needs to hear that tbh.

Astarion is also someone who struggles with reinforcing his boundaries, and a key theme in Lae'zel's romance is that she encourages and wants you to challenge her and learn to stand your ground. It's not gentlest method, but hey, relationships are about having to make an effort to learn each other's language.

I think he also would take pleasure "educating her on the matters of Fay-run" (I believe there's a whole banter with him teasing her and teaching her pet names) and would get a kick out of coaxing Lae'zel out of her shell with her shyness at showing public affection, and making her blush. Also it simply would be fucking funny to see Astarion who's used to easy seduction, trying to pass a persuasion check just to get a smooch and generally having to work to earn regular kisses from Lae'zel lmfaooo

Lae'zel also initially struggles to see her chains as chains. When she learns about Vlaakith's betrayal, she copes instantly through denial and shuts it down. Astarion is NOT having it and calls her out, he knows her well enough to recognize that she would value blunt honesty above all.

I imagine he also despises her lack of self-preservation, the way her entire identity is tied to duty and being in service of others, and doesn't understand her desire to still help/liberate the people that want her dead and are hunting her down. He wants to make this duty-bound soldier realize that looking out for herself, and putting herself first may not be the worst thing in the world.

They're so similar to each other but are also polar opposites in some ways that make a more equal, balanced romance I think. It's not a simple, one-sided, feel-good "she/he can fix her/him" fantasy because both of them have to earn each other's love, actually cut through the other's flaws, and actively motivate each other to be better versions of themselves.

They're not at all the other's ideal guiding hand. It's rough, jagged, and imperfect, but that's how healing goes. It's so far from being the healthiest relationship -- but even if their belief systems differ, their moral compass does often align. I imagine it's a slight relief for them to have a partner where there would be less shame and judgment when they expectedly, occasionally slip up and fall into their bad habits.

Also, man, the "You showed me the betweens and beyonds. Beyond war and peace, beyond passion and obsession, most importantly, you showed me freedom.", "First you were my wound, now you were my cure.", "But you saw something else in me - someone else I could be. Someone who could break the cycle of power and terror that started centuries ago.." lines really hit hard when applied to them.

Of course, they can also make each other worse, feed into the other's negative traits that will bring out the worst part of themselves. It's this duality of their pairing that is very interesting to explore, the way it can steer in either direction because it's an intense, fraught relationship at its core.

#when he gets called by omeluum “child of the dark” and her “child of the stars” like yeah..the squid man is being literal but he Gets It fr. #lae'zel #astarion #bg3 #baldur's gate 3 #bg3 meta #astarion ancunin #astarion x lae'zel #lae'zel x astarion #the rarest of rarepairs they dont even got a ship name...this is so tragique we need to discuss the pathos and potential of this pairing #bg3 lae'zel #bg3 astarion #also im a sucker for stoic knight/court darling trope and whatever variations of it yeah #bloodbruise

[equinquinox]

my all time favorite…tropes? Yeah I’ll go with tropes, are redemption arcs, found family, and whatever- whatever what I’m about to explain is called…when some adult stumbles across a random traumatized kid and speed runs the adoption

yeah romance tropes are cool but…platonic tropes? THATS THE GOOD STUFF

#enemies to lovers is my favorite romance trope thou if anyone was wondering #tropes #uhhm fuck how do I tag this #trope discussion #yeah sure

[bobertflaming]

I see a lot of "let's take high fantasy tropes but ... IN SPACE" like space elves, space orcs or space knights & everything and that's nice but like, where's the reverse of that ? Where's my "scifi tropes but ... in a High Fantasy setting" ?

#rpg #ttrpg #fantasy #sci fi #tropes #trope discussion #not-a-reblog

[whump-a-saurus]

we all know the “vampire whumper” or the “vampire whumpee” tropes, but we never think about the Werewolf whumper/whumpee’s.

PLEASE GOD THINK OF THE WEREWOLVES

- werewolf whumpee = pet whump??? them being called a “tamed beast”?? collars???? yes please!!

- werewolf whumper = animalistic rage?? batting whumpee around like a toy because they’re strong and powerful and they can do whatever they want?? absolutely!!

#whumpee #whump #whump community #whump scenario #whump tropes #whump writing #whumpblr #whumper #whump prompt #writing #writing prompt #writers on tumblr #writeblr #werewolf #werewolves #whump things #whump discussion #whump tag #whump whump whump #werewolves are cool #writblr

[lanniisters]

On Friends-To-Lovers:

I get so annoyed when people throw around the “healthy platonic relationships are so important” thing because YES THEY ARE but you don’t actually think that.

What you think is that, in this particular case, I want these two characters to stay platonic so that I can ship my ship and, simultaneously, feel morally superior. The reality is that there are multiple non-canon ships for whom this applies… but one of them happens to be queer.

Woah hold those trigger fingers!!

While this train of logic does apply to people calling queer coded relationships “besties” or, heaven forbid, “brothers”, it also applies to straight (or straight-presenting) relationships.

You do not need to write two characters as romantic interests (or *groan* enemies) for the story to be romantic. It is OKAY for those characters to form a deep, romantic and emotional bond after years of building trust and loyalty.

As a person who identifies as demisexual, I find the erasure of friends-to-lovers extremely harmful and inherently invalidating. Especially now that we are seeing screenwriters and authors being critical of the trope.

Please, sit me down and explain to me in excruciating details why these two characters - who have seen each other through their darkest periods, who have been each other’s personal cheerleaders, who have loved each other unconditionally - are not good as lovers?

“But can’t two characters just be friends anymore?!”

They certainly can and good for you for believing that characters should show genuine love for one another without having any romantic feelings. But that doesn’t mean the latter can’t exist.

Listen, I never go in expecting my ship to happen and I never expect everyone to agree with it but it drives me up the wall to be invalidated purely because friendship and romantic love can’t coexist in your world. If you want to believe that platonic soulmates should be a thing (AND THEY SHOULD), you also need to understand that you cannot use that term to invalidate another’s ship when the foundations of your own (usually rival) ship are the exact same as mine.

#friends to lovers #tropes #discussion #enemies to lovers #strangers to lovers #shipping #shipping culture #ship wars #destiel #tedbecca #tedtrent #queer #harmione #kiribaku #wolfstar #haiykuu #Ted lasso #Harry potter #supernatural #lunami #stucky

[izvmimi]

cw: part two of this drabble. fluff. izuku and reader are still high schoolers, still out under the stars in the middle of the night. a couple off-color jokes.

“You’re heavier than I expected.” Izuku says, suddenly, after a short bout of silence.

He’s seated cross-legged on the ground, eyes watching you carefully and you have for the past minute tried not to comment on the soft bags forming under his eyes or the frequent yawns (not that you’re not concerned but you value his privacy). If he had something to say to you, he would.

But now he's talking and you don't like it.

You touch down from the three feet you’ve allowed yourself off the ground (instead of fifty) and give him a look.

“Am I not dainty enough for you?” you quip. It’s pretend-angry - you can tell he just wanted to say something to break the silence, and not-so-surprisingly, he’s not always the best with words.

He blinks, nagging sleep in his eyes, then you can see him doing a bit of a calculation in his head. Then he gets to his feet. Perhaps you overdid it, you consider.

Had you finally annoyed him enough that he’d leave?

Rather than go the other way, he advances towards you, and confused, you take a tentative step back. He just as quickly hoists you in his arms, bridal style.

“W-what are you-“

He tosses you once in the air, like one would toss a pizza crust without the spin, and you gasp.

He grins as you look at him with wide eyes.

“Coming up with an answer for you.”

You swallow hard at the mischief in his eyes. Another toss, slightly higher this time and your stomach turns, possibly in excitement.

“Izuku!”

The next toss is high, so high you think you’ll become one of the stars in the sky and you scream loudly, but this time he bounds upwards and joins you, catching you again before the two of you make it to the ground. There’s a large thud as he braces himself on landing.

You’re a bit shaken, arms making his way around his neck reflexively. Your heart pounds while his is completely still.

“I think you’re dainty enough, ___.”

He sets you down for the second time that night.

Thump, thump, thump goes your heart.

“I’m starting to think you like carrying me,” you say finally.

He sits back down, but pulls your wrist gently to encourage you to sit with him.

“Maybe.” He teases.

As you sit together finally, taking a break from the night, you venture to ask him why he is out so late. Unlike you, he shouldn’t still have anything to prove.

“Why couldn’t you sleep?” you ask. By now, it’s close to 2, maybe even 3 am and the chill of the middle of the night starts to settle in, and you pull your knees to your chest. It occurs to you to correct the bare arms and tops of your thighs in your winter costume. 

Izuku notices the shiver and pulls off his hoodie; you reflexively wave your hands that you’re fine but he still surrounds you with it. It’s warm, and it smells like him, and somehow that is even more comforting.

“Thank you,” you murmur under your breath. He smiles, then readjusts so that he leans his weight back on his hands and stretches his legs out. He looks slightly up in the sky. The smile is still there but there’s a little bit of sadness behind his eyes.

“Sometimes things pop into my head right when I’m about to fall asleep. Maybe a mistake I made or a wrong decision… then more start to come up and eventually it’s almost impossible to close my eyes anymore.”

He pauses and sighs. You watch him carefully and find yourself frowning.

“That sounds really hard,” you say, and mentally berate yourself for how ineffectual it sounds. Of course it’s hard. The first two years at UA were notoriously rough for the hero class, and you were relatively spared from all the extracurriculars they were involved in. Izuku has had to do more Hero work than you could even imagine, even if you were in the same class at this point in time. 

He laughs.

“It is, but it’s alright, I guess.” He shifts a little, looking at you. “At least it got me running into you in the middle of the night.”

Your mouth opens and closes, unsure what to say. There’s something about him that either makes you rambly or tongue-tied and right this moment, it’s the latter. You wonder if there’s anyone he feels this way about, then you hope there isn’t. 

Or maybe it would be better if there were, that way you wouldn’t continue to look stupid or bitchy or all around confused when it comes to him.

He chuckles at your silence, then pulls his knees into his chest to mirror you. Resting the side of his face on the knees, he studies you as though you are a painting, and you do the same to him. 

It’s hard to speak because what you want to say seems out of place and unnecessary.

I like you.

What use is that? He can do nothing with it, and neither can you. So you swallow the thought. 

“Have you tried counting sheep?”

This is possibly the most inane thing you’ve ever said.

He shakes his head. “They turn into dead bodies.”

The blood rushes from your face immediately and he actually laughs. “I’m kidding.”

You slap him on the shoulder. “Dude! Your sense of humor is awful!”

“Yeah. No one ever expects it,” he chuckles. “Perhaps I’m a bit sleep-delirious.” 

He rocks back and forth a little bit and you wonder how much of him you don’t really understand yet. 

“Do you want to walk back now?” you ask. Class will be later today than usual but it still means your sleep will be truncated. “You should probably sleep anyway. I’m constantly sleep deprived so it doesn’t matter for me, but for you…” you trail off because he shakes his head.

“I need a few more minutes,” he says. He’s no longer looking at you but straight ahead. It occurs to you that no matter how much he’s smiling right now, whatever is bothering him, whatever he can’t really articulate to you, still weighs heavy on his mind.

And without really thinking about what you’re doing, you find your hand inching closer to his. It rests on the top of his, and your fingers curl to hold the underside of his palm. 

“Okay,” you say.

No one says anything else. There’s wind, gentle breathing and the linking of your hands. Something builds under the surface but rests hidden. 

Something gentle but loud enough that it cannot be ignored.

#izuku x reader #izuku midoriya x reader #daydreams: bnha #mimidoriya #mimi's notes #high school sweethearts trope is like #a trope i've always felt love/hate with #because there's so much growing you do past high school and etc #but sometimes it's nice to discuss the purity of it all

[aroaessidhe]

2023 reads

The Spider And Her Demons

YA Australian urban fantasy/horror

about a Malaysian-Chinese girl who’s half spider-demon, just trying to keep her head down and survive high school

when she accidentally kills and eats a man in front of the most popular girl at school, they strike up a strange friendship and she starts to learn more about herself and the supernatural world

aroacespec/sapphic ish

#The Spider And Her Demons #Sydney Khoo #loveozya #aroaessidhe 2023 reads #you give me a teenage girl with giant hair spider legs who scuttles across her bedroom wall on page 3 #and then eats a man and i am already sold. #also aus books are always so familiar compared to US books :) #and yes sexuality stuff is ambiguous but basically: a bunch of discussion on relationship hierachies (ie friendship equally/more important) #themes of feeling unlovable bc you're different and different forms of love #multiple times the MC says she has no interest in dating or relationships and also is touch (and maybe sex) repulsed #- but of course that Also has to do with the whole Being A Monster thing #and it definitely shows some kind of attraction to dior - ie looking at her lips/bare skin; blushing; etc #and ends on sort of hand kiss / 'is this something??' vibes #I asked the author and they said they see them as QPR / platonic soulmates but are not at the point where they would know what to call it #which makes total sense to me! #the part of me who wants more obvious aroace YA wishes it was a little more specific #but also I DO love ambiguity and I think it wouldn't be true to the characters #who are clearly not even ready to start figuring that stuff out. #and also. aroacespec sapphics is like. also something i want #also like. I think it's reductive to assume just because 'looks at lips' is a common allo attraction trope....doesn't necessarily mean #it has to be that. yknow. #anyway. i loved it a lot. #gross spidergirl (affectionate)...... #also dior is such an interesting and complex character. like another book could have made her nicer or less fucked up

[eggheadsguidetorunning]

Understanding the Love Square for the Uninitiated and the Fans Part 2: The FANS

In order to understand the fan’s relationship with love squares you need to understand the ships they make with it. 

If you are wondering what the Square is look at the last post for clarity but other wise their are four ships: 1.) Adriennete  (Marinette X Adrien)

2.) Ladynoir (Ladybug X Chat Noir)

3.) Ladrien (Ladybug X Adrien)

4.) MariChat (Chat Noir X Marinette)

Okay so right about now you might be asking why and while this is a weird spot to put my thesis I might as well. Miraculous: The Adventures of Ladybug and Cat Noir as shows go is one of the few I can think of on the top of my head that uses, or at least use well, a love square for their romance. This means that if anyone has interest in using or creating a love square in the future this is it, this is the example, and you will need to have some understanding of it. What does this have to do with fans? It is worth understanding how fans might react and misunderstand so you can know what to overcome to get it across.

 See the fandom sees these ships as ships and swears by their favorite ship. This then of course leads to a shipping community. The problem is they are all the same ship. How do you priorities one ship over the other? Well its all about the interactions and the emotional feelings. This is, not a problem in fact it is a good answer to how shipping works with this bizarre trope. However, the problem that can arise is that shipping communities are already emotion first communities and this is just more emotion on top of that.  Meaning what happens when a ship succeeds over the others or one ship gets disconfirmed?

How does this even happen if they are the same ship? Well it does not really disconfirm or succeed, or not permanently at least as long as part of the square is intact the rest is always possible. 

This is clearer still in Miraculous as many episodes make the argument that the most stable, and best way for the relationship to work is for every part of the square to work. Origins hints at this as does the failures from Chat Blanc and Ephemeral with both Chat Blanc and Ephemeral showing a relationship formed on one part of the square over the other (Chat Blanc Marinette’s love for Adrien , Ephemeral  Adrien’s love for Ladybug). Of course, there are other issues and reasons why the relationship fails in those episodes, but the incompleteness of the basis for their relationship is part of it.

In conclusion, fans may miss points or themes set up by the creator when a love square is set up due to a lean into shipping culture being more necessary for a compelling love square. This will lead to potential outrage and backlash even if the writing and direction of the characters is on theme. (Note there really is not a lot of outrage and backlash in Miraculous fanspaces but their is a lot of grumbling despite progress)

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous chat noir #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #shipping #fandom #trope discussion #tropes

[adm-starblitzsteel-4305]

So, we have Godzilla x Mothra fans.

BUT

What about Kong x Shimo fans?

#hey i know you all seem too neutral #but whatever about the shippers #i do respect it #like godzilla x king ghidorah #rodan x king ghidorah #godzilla x rodan #godzilla x kong (yall like it) #and NOW #WE ARE GONNA DISCUSS THIS NEW SHIP #kong x shimo #trope dynamic ape and an ice lizard sounds cute #i still support you all shippers and fans #Shimo is a big girl who loves attention and trust #KONG X SHIMO FANS WHERE ARE YOU?!?! #godzilla #mothra #kong #shimo #godzilla x mothra #mothzilla #mosugoji #monsterverse #kaiju #godzilla x kong: the new empire #gxk

[ships-n-bats]

I still absolutely love how Wolfwalkers ended.

Love that it still ultimately focused on Robyn and Mebh and how they leave their old world behind to find a new one, just for them, their parents, and the wolf family to live in peace, far away from the townspeople. How after all that drama and near-death experiences, they just get to rest in the caravan, protected by their respective parent and live together in the forest.

No more societal expectations. No more gender roles. No need to appease a bunch of people who really only want them dead for what they are. No focus on these two literal children to change a town’s whole mindset like so many other films do. No, the message was just these two girls finding their happy ending with their loved ones somewhere else and just cutting out that toxic environment all together.

Why waste energy trying to help a bunch of people they don’t even have any real attachment to, after all? Especially with people who actively forced roles they didn’t want onto them and mistreated them for being different? It’s just such a breath of fresh air to see a film that ends with the characters finding happiness and peace in their own little slice of heaven, rather than wasting time, energy, and emotions on trying to change others.

#Wolfwalkers #Robyn Goodfellowe #Mebh Óg Mactíre #Mebyn #Ship Discussion #usually in films like this the main characters will have some grand philosophical speech about how they're all “not so different” #and can “live in peace together if we all just get along” and while I do agree with that sentiment /sometimes/ #in this instance I agree it was just better for the girls and their parents to find somewhere that was better to plant their roots #this type of lesson and world change is a better fit for something like HtTYD but not for Wolfwalkers #this also plays into one of my fave yet underrated shipping tropes where a couple leaves society behind just to live together freely #just let the girls be wolf lesbians in the forest while everyone else fucks off

[marimeeko]

I think Horikoshi definitely has a type;

Bakugou and Izuku: Childhood friends

Kirishima and Mina: Childhood friends(middle school friends)

Himiko and Ochako: not childhood friends BUT! Official artwork and animations released suggesting WHAT IF THEY WERE CHILDHOOD FRIENDS THOUGH

And wait wait, there's more, they also all have seen each other as their own personal hero(or at least in Ochako to Himiko, it's not literal that she sees himiko as her hero, but she ADMIRES HER for her honesty and how she's unafraid to live as herself....togachako is complex)

#bakudeku #togachako #kirimina #HMMMM #hori come out i just wanna discuss this #my three favorite near canon relationships #the trinity #bnha spoilers #yeah yeah its more complex than simply child hood friends but #the complexity is SO GOOD #childhood friends trope