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lolotheparagon · 10 months
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You are given the chance to completely revamp one (1) DC character. You may change whatever you want about them, along with their relationships with other characters, but only they and their relationships change. All other aspects of other characters, minus their relationship to the changed character, remain the same. Who do you change, what do you change, and why?
Bruce Wayne/Batman. Since he’s DC’s biggest character, outside of his Batman alter ego, he has a lot of elements that have been unchanged since his inception in the 40s. From his dead parents backstory, to being a Gotham billionaire, having a butler as his surrogate father and being a playboy in his civilian life.
I want to change the Bruce Wayne, since I believe Bruce should be a reflection of Batman, not a distraction from Batman. People these days really divorce Batman from Bruce Wayne entirely cos the idea of a playboy billionaire nowadays is just alienating to a lot of people. Maybe in the 40s this was acceptable but this is 2023. Bruce Wayne’s character really needs an update, since we need to feel like Batman is Bruce Wayne under that mask, not a completely different person wearing the cowl.
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I would make Thomas and Martha Wayne neglectful parents. Keep the dead parents backstory, that’s important. But I like the idea of Bruce believing that his parents always loved him and puts them on way too high a pedestal. Like he would recount all the times his father took him to the local comic book store or his mother would shower him with hugs and presents. This is why Bruce holds them in such high regards and did crimefighting in the first place.
But during the first couple years being Batman, Bruce developed an obsession with keeping his parents’ memory alive by keeping his parent’s old bedroom just the way it was before they died. And he would often cry himself to sleep in the living room whenever he had failed to stop the Joker or any supervillain he had trouble dealing with.
Per Alfred’s request, Bruce goes into therapy. This is where we meet Leslie Thompkins (a recurring character in the Batman story) as his therapist where she helps him realise a lot of things. Bruce realised that whenever he remembered his stories, his view of his parents was always a blur and and aside from his stories, he didn’t know his parents that well. We realised from his repressed memories that it was actually Alfred who cared and raised Bruce since childhood. Alfred was just a butler for the Wayne’s but quickly became a surrogate father to young Bruce.
We (as the audience) finally see Bruce’s childhood, Thomas and Martha were actually neglectful towards Bruce. Sure they were respectful people in the Gotham community, but they were rich and constantly bought Bruce’s love with presents. They only saw Bruce as a future heir to Wayne Enterprises and a meal ticket. The only reason they went to the theatre with Bruce at all was because his fave movie was showing and he wouldn’t stop talking about it.
Alfred always wanted to tell Bruce it was he who actually raised him all this time but kept quiet cos Bruce always looked so happy talking about them and he was fighting crime everyday for them. But as soon Bruce realised who the actual parent in his life is still with him and has been with him all along, Bruce encourages Alfred to stop being his butler and be his full-time dad. To which Alfred replies: I always have been…Bruce.
Boom. You get an infinitely sadder and more sympathetic reason why Bruce is so obsessed with making his dead parents proud and you get him recovering from his neglect and being with a parent who has always loved him.
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I would make Bruce Wayne a well off businessman instead of a billionaire. In light of billionaires like Andrew Tate and Jeff Bezos being scummy towards their employees and people setting up guillotines outside their mansions, it’s really not comfortable to show a billionaire in a positive light anymore, even if he’s progressive. Again, this isn’t the 40s anymore. It might have been quaint to see a billionaire actually care about the common people but after the two CEO twats I mentioned above, try telling a modern audience that you can make a billionaire sympathetic.
I feel like we need more suave businessman side of Bruce Wayne. Outside of the BTAS and the 60s Batman show, we don’t see a lot Bruce being a cunning yet reasonable and tactical guy. I know his alter ego is the World’s Greatest Detective, so he can’t be too smart to give the game away, but at least have him roasting the hell out of greedy corporate bosses and giving his employees good pay and advocates against sexual/racial harassment in the workplace. I know it’s a romanticisation of businessmen and bosses but hey it’s better than romanticising the morbidly rich. Just write a good businessman who cares about his employees and respects women.
You can still have Bruce well off in terms of wealth, just not isolated mansion with 100 acres of inherited land levels of rich. Heck, you can just have the Batcave be a hidden cavern Bruce found nearby when hiking and spends a good chunk of his inheritance building it. Maybe it would be an abandoned railway which would be how the Batmobile would find a connection to the main roads of Gotham.
Maybe he can give the rest of his wealth to charities, the city so they can refurbish the more worn down streets. I’m just spitballing here
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In terms of personality, I liked Bruce Wayne in the early seasons of BtAS or the Batman 2004 series. Snarky, witty and playful as Bruce, but is cunning and serious. He does have that brooding energy when he’s donning the Batcape but he’s not an angsty asshole (cough cough unlike the TNBA Batman cough). Maybe this is why, as Batman, he’s always very moody and stoic. Because he knows that he became Batman in the first place to avenge two parents who didn’t even love him in the first place and now has to live with this being his second job because he’s saving people and that’s what matters to him. He’s very kind and caring to everyone (this ties into him caring for kids who are orphaned like him like Tim Drake or ones who are abused/neglected like Jason or Barbara.) but carries off this mysterious vibe.
I like the idea of Bruce being very cool and suave to the public, but is still a loner and even his employees don’t know him. He wants to open up to people but after how his parents treated him and doesn’t have that many people in his life, he keeps people away in fear of rejection and abandonment. (Even in childhood, Bruce never had friends that stayed longer than a day, cos they were all paid to play with him.) He has very nerdy side he doesn’t show to a lot of people. He reads old 50s comic books, he even has lunch that Alfred always makes him. Cos why bother with high class cuisine when you can have your dad’s home cooking?
Also have Bruce be a friend to all animals. I want him to adopt a bunch of bats he found in the cave and he names them after all his fave comic book heroes. Also have him be in a romance with Clark Kent. I need my Superbat
And finally: Make Commissioner Gordon Bruce/Batman’s rival
I know Commisoner Gordon is Batman’s ally and all that but I always thought he was just Alfred 2.0 and it’s not fair that a lot of the interesting stuff regarding Batman’s care and concern for others always falls to Gordon or his daughter when you got Bats’ surrogate dad standing RIGHT THERE. Also much like with romanticising rich people, Commissioner Gordon isn’t helping with his whole “NOT ALL COPS ARE BAHHHD!!” schtick when the GCPD is the most corrupt police force in all of fiction.
So I would have Gordon be like the J Jonah Jameson of Gotham. He hates Bruce Wayne for being a spoilt brat busybody and constantly makes fun of him. He knows he can’t arrest Bruce Wayne without good reason but that doesn’t mean he won’t give him parking tickets for no reason or rant about him on Twitter. Bruce in public would shrug and be above it all. But when the cowl comes on…shit goes down.
Gordon doesn’t know Batman’s identity so Bruce can intimidate him as much as he likes and can get away with it. Gordon can’t refuse Batman’s help cos he needs him to take down the supervillains. So it’s wonderful catharsis for Bruce.
Heck, Bruce can learn about how neglected and miserable Gordon’s daughter Barbara is and inspires her to take up a course in coding, which leads her into become Oracle (her lone hero identity when she’s old enough would be Batgirl)
I could go on forever about all sorts of changes but those are the main ones I would change to make Bruce Wayne a more interesting character, so when he puts on the cowl, we don’t just see Batman, we see Bruce Wayne
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lookitsryuu · 1 year
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CLOWN PALS!!
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evasive-anon · 6 months
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Let Danny’s Parents Be Criminals
I hate the reveal gone wrong trope in the dpxdc fandom because we know Jack and Maddie end up supporting Danny and Dani in the end. His parents have some major flaws but wanting to torture their actual child isn’t one. What they are guilty of is going way too hard on any plan they cook up without thinking of the consequences.
If I were writing a dpxdc fic and I wanted Danny in adoptable status I’d just have Jack and Maddie in jail on charges of domestic terrorism after they killed off GIW agents and destroyed the GIW’s bases. They realized their ghost kids were in potential danger and went at the government the same way they went at ghosts, guns blazing and with reckless driving.
They end up in federal prison and they Vlad wins custody cause he’s rich and there is your runaway Danny plot starter.
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batarangsoundsdumb · 1 year
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"I couldn't be more disappointed with Gaby-Ann, she sewed rainbow sequins on the girls' costumes when we all agreed that they didn't fit with the subject matter of the choreography. Next time, we know who we can't trust."
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boygirltreehouse · 1 month
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unfortunately thinking hard abt how Bruce meets duke at three vastly different times in his life and how he watched the innocence and cheer leave him as he got older and more jaded only for his spirit to blaze with hope when he matures into the signal
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fenricken · 30 days
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You Keep Slipping From My Grasp 4/7
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The rain fell heavily, washing the blood on the ground away as he stepped toward the woman. She was hunched over, sobbing, clutching her dead son to her chest. She glanced up at him as he approached, mouthing silent prayers.
“What happened here?” he asked, carefully ignoring the dead bodies around.
“They came… for a box my family has guarded for a long time. They killed my husband and my son, and they’ve taken my Catherine… They’ll torture her to make her speak its secrets. Please! Please, help her!”
She reached out a hand to him, imploringly. He crouched down to take it.
“I will.”
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Danny stood before Clockwork, adjusting his new cowboy hat. Maddie and Jack stood behind Clockwork tinkering on the Fenton Omega Siphoner, and arguing over the aesthetics of the machine.
“I have already sent Dani out to help the Justice League locate Batman’s cape. Hopefully we should receive word on her success soon.” Clockwork began, “In the meantime, we do still need someone to make sure Batman doesn’t rush forward too quickly, lest he build up too much energy before we can stop him. Are you ready?”
“Always ready for bat-sitting duty. I’d hope he’s doing something  a bit calmer this time, but I suppose there’s no chance of that happening.” Danny responded, pointing to his hat.
Clockwork just gave his usual cryptic smile before opening a portal for Danny to step through.
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“Roooooobin. Rooooooooobin.”
Tim whirled around, searching for the source of the noise.
“Oooh, new fit?” Poltergeist asked, stepping out of the shadows. “Ugly cowl, but I like the rest of it.”
Tim lowered his bo staff at her, readying himself for whatever chaotic ‘game’ she tried to rope him into this time.
“Your city’s on fire. You bats trying out some new defense mechanism or something? Like, you think no rogue would want to take over Gotham if it’s a pile of rubble and ash?” She turned in a circle, surveying the chaos Gotham was under.
“What do you want, Poltergeist?”
“Well, so like, Batman’s stuck in time, right? And-”
“How do you know that?!” Red Robin cut in. He had been struggling to convince everyone that Batman was still alive ever since he found those paintings on the walls of the Batcave. Suddenly, here was Poltergeist who seemed to know something about it, but he couldn’t trust her. She was unpredictable, and running into her could mean leaving with anything as benign yet uncomfortable as soaked socks or as irritating and hindering as being cursed to only speak dead languages for the next 3 days.
And things only got worse if she was tagging along with Klarion. Fortunately, he wasn’t in sight, so it's unlikely he was here with her.
“What do you want?”
She smiled slightly at him. “Oh! I want to get Batman back where he belongs before he dies or explodes everything.”
Explodes everything?
“I mean, Gotham’s got a grumpy quota and since you’re his mini-me I figured you’d start trying to take it on and that’d be so boring.” She raised her pointer fingers to the side of her head, imitating Batman’s cowl and adopted a nasally voice. “I don’t have time to play, Poltergeist. Gotham needs me. I have to go stalk Penguin, and then I need to go brood on my favorite gargoyle.”
“So you want to help me find Batman so that I will… be able to play with you?”
“Well, that, but also if he makes his way to the present day on his own, he’ll have built up enough of something called Omega Energy to make all of reality go ka-blooey, and I actually really like this universe. Top 10, easily.”
Tim held up his hand to stop the oncoming ramble while he compartmentalized.
First, Poltergeist knew Bruce was lost in the time stream and seemed to want to help.
Second, Bruce was making his way back to the present, and by doing so was becoming a living bomb
Third, Poltergeist is a multiversal being???
That last one can probably be ignored for now.
“If I were to let you help me find Batman, where do you suggest we start? I’ve been tracking down artifacts I think he’s left behind  to try and convince the Justice League to help us-”
“Psh. Justice League Shmustice League. My dad and my Nana and Pops are already working on it. We just need to find the cape he was sent back in time with for them. Besides, I can probably convince Wonder Woman to help us get the Justice Dorks to help out once we get the cape if we really need to.”
What.
“What?”
“My grandparents are building a thingy-thing to suck all the Omega Energy out of Batman so he’s not a bomb. My dad’s hanging out with him to keep him from dying or something, and we’re supposed to find his cape so we can safely yoink him out of the time stream.”
“I didn’t know you had parents??? What do they do while you’re here breaking things???”
Poltergeist shrugged “King things I guess. And I only have a dad.”
“King things???”
She rolled her eyes, “Anyway, Dad said he last saw Batman’s cape in the Batcave.”
“You didn’t answer my question, and I’m not taking you to the Batcave.”
Poltergeist landed on her feet, and stared at him with wide eyes. He stared back, caught in her gaze for what felt like an eternity, as he felt invisible fingers trickle up his spine. Whispers started low in his ears, building to a crescendo. It was getting too much to bear, until he broke eye contact and looked away. All of a sudden, it stopped. Tim heaved a big sigh.
“I’m… kinda fighting with the current Batman, so we’ll have to sneak in.”
She punched both arms into the air, “YES!”
Tim turned, flicking his cape and walking off, not waiting to see if she’d follow.
“Poltergeist, when this is over you are going to be answering my questions.”
He heard her blow a raspberry at his back, but kept walking.
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He followed their trail easily enough, the rain trailing after him. As he reached his destination, men came out to fight him, readying pistols, but he made short work of them easily enough.
With his memory having returned in bits and pieces, it had been easy to fashion metal into bat shapes aerodynamic enough to hit true when thrown, and it was these he’d used to disarm the men.
These memories were useful. The ones of children with blurry faces less so, haunting him as they stayed just out of his complete grasp. A constant reminder of how lost and alone he was.
He steadily made his way to the headquarters, where he figured they were keeping Catherine. He whirled around, sensing someone approaching from behind. It was the man with white hair, again.
“Seems you’ve got this well enough in hand, but I hope you don’t mind if I’d tag along all the same.”
“Why?”
The white haired man smiled slightly. “Will you not believe that I just want to help you?”
He stared, unblinking and quiet. Memories from before had proven this a good method to get more information.
His target stared back, also quiet and unblinking. It wasn’t long before he started shifting, and not much longer before he finally spoke again. Under his breath, almost too quiet to hear, he muttered “Just like Dani, I swear…”
Louder, the man said, “I’ve not known you to be the kind of man to ever be on the wrong side of a cause. Whatever you’re up to, I just want to help.”
He squinted at the man, trying to find any evidence of a lie, but the man just appeared open and honest.
“No guns,” he says, before turning back around and leading the white haired man on towards the headquarters.
As they got closer, they noticed two men standing guard. He deployed smoke bombs to cover their approach, sneaking closer with his companion close behind. They were spotted, but the smoke did its work, scaring the two guards and allowing him and his companion to disappear from view again.
“How you gonna tell me there’s no such things as ghosts now???” One of them whimpered, apparently to his white-haired friend’s delight, as he broke out in giggles.
As the smoke continued to grow, he and his friend snuck around the two, tricking them into fighting each other.
He broke through into the offices in the back. They were unfortunately empty.
“Already gone!” He said, slamming a hand on the desk. His companion stood at the window.
“Not long though, look!”
When he spotted their carriage speeding away through the window, he knew he had to act quickly. He launched himself out of the window, and onto the tarp covering the wagon.
An explosion sounded behind him, but he focused on the task ahead of him. His friend always seemed to find his way back, so he’d have to trust he’d do it again.
The ensuing fight was nothing pretty, little more than mad scrambling as he fought to hold his balance, dodge bullets, and wrestle the men actually in the cart so he could get away with the Catherine and her family’s box.
Looking ahead, he saw they were quickly approaching the dock, and a man who was walking down it. Thinking quickly, he swung his body-weight around, tipping the wagon over and sending everyone sprawling. 
The man who had been at the dock had acted quickly, grabbing the young woman and holding her protectively behind him. He stood up, adding to the obstacles that stood protecting Catherine from her kidnappers. Only 3 men remained. From the snippets he heard as two of them fought, he figures the two fighting must’ve been the masterminds behind the plot and the third still in the distance was a gun-for-hire. Taking out his weapons of choice, he quickly dispatched the two men.
Catherine tugged on his cloak. He turned to face her, seeing that she had opened up the box, and was showing him what was inside.
It was Jack Valor’s journal.
He wanted to reach out–to see what Jack had added since they parted, but the gun-for-hire had caught up to them by then.
“My employers may have been dealt with, but I still have a reputation to uphold. Draw.”
He stood up straight, reaching for more of his weapon of choice. Over the shoulder of the gun-for-hire, he saw another man approaching quickly, white-haired. His friend.
A loud bang echoed, and he felt pain in his side. He stumbled, too close to the edge of the dock, and as he fell over he heard one last cry of ‘BAT–’.
And everything went dark.
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Shit.
Shit. Shit. SHIT.
As if Batman stumbling towards the present through who-knows-when wasn’t bad enough, now he’s SHOT???
Danny quickly ripped a portal back to Clockwork’s lair.
“Please tell me you’ve almost got the machine ready.” Danny said after confirming his parents were in the room.
“Almost! Just one problem, sweetie…” His mom said, looking over at her husband so he’d finish.
“Batman needs to die. Or at least be very close to death!” Jack said, ending with a laugh.
“Basically, we can get this machine to suck out the Omega Energy, but it’s tightly bonded with Batman’s life energy, so it’s extremely risky unless we can find a way to diminish his life energy.”
Danny groaned, putting his face in his hands. “It’s just one thing after another! He’s just been shot. Would that bring him close enough?”
His dad tilted his head back and forth, considering. “Likely not, unless he was in a pretty bad way. In any case, we asked Sam and Tucker to take a look into it!”
“We’ve already found something, actually.” Sam said, having entered the room. Tucker followed behind her.
“There’s an herb that I was able to locate, which should slow his heart down to extreme levels, to the point his heartbeat would be pretty undetectable. Only problem is that his heart would have to be jump-started afterward by a great shock.”
“Clockwork let me take a closer look at his monitors into Batman’s original time and place, and I was able to determine that they have defibrillator technology that can administer an electrical shock needed to get his heart pumping again, as well as adrenaline injections in case we’d need the extra boost.” Tucker continued.
Maddie clapped her hands together. “Excellent! If we can get the Justice League to set up the anchor point on the Watchtower, we can pull Batman to that point and perform everything there! It’d probably work best to do it in his original time as well, to avoid any potential effects that could crop up from being in the wrong time when we remove the Omega Energy and try to stabilize his system.”
“Great, some good news.” Danny said, tension leaving his body. He turned to Clockwork, who had been quiet thus far. “How’s Dani’s work coming along? Will we be ready to proceed soon?”
“Dani and Red Robin have recovered Batman’s cape, and have moved it to the Watchtower. I believe Dani was able to recruit Wonder Woman’s help into getting the rest of the Justice League in line to receive Batman.”
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“Red Robin! Did you seriously bring Poltergeist into the cave??? What were you thinking?”
Before Tim could reply, Poltergeist raised a hand to point at Dick-as-Batman.
“AAH! It’s the cops! Run!”
Poltergeist placed her hand on Tim’s shoulder, pulling him and the cape through the ceiling of the batcave and up in the open air of Gotham. As Tim caught sight of Wayne Manor his head whipped towards Poltergeist, hoping she wouldn’t make any connections.
She was staring at him, lips pressed together, looking a bit like a frog.
He was quiet, waiting for her to say something.
She blew a breath of air out, letting her lips buzz.
“Listen, you keep my secret, and I won’t tell anyone Batman’s secret id is some rich fruitloop.”
“...What secret?”
She pivoted them somewhere Southeast.
“That sometimes I can be responsible. Let’s go see Wonder Woman.”
AN:
It's definitely been longer than I had planned since the last update, rip.
Not going to lie, this is like my second ever fic and I definitely thought it'd be a bit easier to get back into the habit of writing. Thought I was making it easier on my self by strongly sticking to the plot of an existing story, but I think that's been an obstacle in and of itself.
Always a little worried that the language is a bit stuffy or things aren't being clear.
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connorntofficial · 2 months
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been thinking abour Kristen a lot lately! and how HORRIBLE Ed was to her! WHY DOES NO ONE IN THE GOTHAM FANDOM ACKNOWLEDGE THAT? why does no one talk about how Ed harassed, stalked, and manipulated this woman, finally got into a relationship with her, and then he murdered her in his apartment after they slept together. NO ONE TALKS ANOUT THAT AND HOW EVIL THAT IS?
for mine and my cousins rewrite we want it to be clear that he is EVIL FOR THAT BECAUSE THATS HORRIBLE!!!! his whole relationship with Kristen is awful its the worst thing. but yeah heres a drawing of him soon after killing her!
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koraesrambles · 8 months
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Getting into DC Batfam comics and fan culture is such Rollercoaster. I've read 1000 comics in the last month. Every single one has a different characterization of my favorite character. All the fan works try to turn my favorite asshole into a baby girl. My favorite series is considered one of the worst comics ever. All the fans hate the comics. Fans are pleading with people to read the comics. The batfam is unhealthy and that's Bad(tm). The batfam is healthy and that's BORING. Every romantic pairing is problematic. Every romantic pairing is bad except this one fan's take because they have only correct take ever. Everyone is angry all the time. There are reading lists that leave out half of the main characters appearances. There are reading lists that include every appearance in every comic even if it's just a single panel. I love every story I read. I hate every story I read. I switch between Canon and fanon content intermittently because at this point everything I read I just assume is an AU of everything else.
Makes the experience a lot less frustrating actually.
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codyton · 2 months
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Rewriting the Batfamily pt ll
Tim Drake
Tim Drake was in his family’s home watching old tapes of the Flying Grayson's performances; he loved them when he was a kid, but then he noticed something, Nightwing used the exact same move as Dick Grayson. Tim, using his knowledge of Bruce Wayne, went up to Wayne Manor and confronted Dick Grayson, Dick saw something in this kid and introduced him to Bruce. Bruce didn’t want to bring another kid into his mission, not after Jason, so he didn’t let Tim become Robin. Tim stole a Robin outfit and sewed it to fit himself, he was going to show Batman that he is worthy of being Robin. But eventually Tim gets caught by Batman as Robin, and Batman seeing that this child didn’t back down when he was told to stop his pursuit of becoming Robin decided to take Tim in as an official Robin. While Tim was on patrol one day, he saw Red Hood, he leaped into battle with Red Hood, but Red Hood wouldn’t fight back. When Tim questioned Red Hood about why he wouldn’t fight him, Red Hood simply said, the person who once wore this mantle already killed a Robin, the new Red Hood will not do that.
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deadbunnybar · 23 days
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A design I made for my version of Harley Queen. I tried to make her design more like a doll since Joker (at least in my made up version) calls her “Dolly” or “Babydoll” as a pet name
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mrclownery · 1 month
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it's so fun comparing the most recent and first time you draw a character. the one on the left is most recent, the one on the right is from around 2021.
um. it was an okay start! but im also realizing I've been in this fucking fandom for 3 years now let me OUT (im barely in the actual fandom my version of Oswald is not entirely even the shows version anymore she's my OC basically)
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Jason hangs these up around Gotham city and you can't convince me otherwise:
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lookitsryuu · 2 years
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Riddler and catwoman! They’re roommates.
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phoenixcatch7 · 1 year
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I know 'person with secret to hide spots other person with secret to hide but doesn't say anything' is like. Thee trope in superhero crossovers, but come on! Some of these guys have been doing this for decades! There's tons of heroes that have gone to pretty extreme lengths to be Completely Imperceptible in civilian life.
Don't you think it's scarier, after all is said and done, to sit there and think I didn't notice a thing? I wouldn't have ever realised? I would never have known? To know that someone you were familiar with - close with, even! - had this whole other personality and skillset and powers and experiences and life just behind the curtain, and they hid it so completely you didn't even see it was there.
'I always knew there was something off' what if you didn't. How world shaking would it be to be so utterly blindsided? To know that this person had somehow learned to so deceptive?
#Strongly inspired by the dp x dc where Danny knows what up IMMEDIATELY or a bat clocks Danny as super suspicious within mins of meeting#Or the amount of reveal fics caused by the hero slipping up in some stupid way and getting themselves doxxed against their will#Like come on!! Full time heroes like superman or batman or Spidey go to great lengths to construct an entirely separate civilian persona!#And yes I know they've had their idiot moments when it comes to their identities but they've kept their secret rock solid for irl DECADES#What's an identity reveal without drama!! Shake it up! Stir the pot! Not a slow and gradual build up of suspicion and stress#But two high speed trains coming at right-angles and the audience is the only one who can see the incoming crash#Twist the knife in if you want. Make it HURT. Make it completely rewrite what they believed.#Short ID reveals are great for this because you can SEE the ripple effects spreading out as the story ends. Just BANG.#But also no ID reveal at all. The main character goes through the story regularly interacting with and developing character right alongside#A hero in hiding and no one is ever the wiser. You're a worker in WE fending off attempts to steal your inventions and Bruce Wayne#Invites you to his office to discuss security and he walks you back to your office when you get nervous about a break in.#You're struggling with school bullies and getting into trouble over your photography hobby and Peter Parker is right there alongside#You complaining about rich kids and fiddling with the outdated finicky lenses you got from the school.#You're a reporter unpicking a mystery scandal and you ask resident tank Clark Kent if he's able to play bodyguard if you go somewhere shady#The reader knows. No one else notices a thing.#And besides focusing on the civilian side is a nice change of pace! Let's see how they manage leading double lives!#What do I even tag this#batman#superman#Marvel#Dcu#spiderman#secret identity#identity reveal#long tags#captain marvel#miraculous ladybug#I know I know#hero and villain
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starwalker03 · 5 months
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Im curious about your Ric arc rewrite. Would you share of ideas you had for it?
man. it's all loose soup in my brain rn hang on lemme get a ladle.
So let me preface this with the fact that I actually haven't read the Ric arc. And I also haven't read a lot of comics over all (cause there wasn't a comic book store in my hometown and comics are not exactly easy to get in to).
So first, a quick recap of the RIc Grayson storyline:
Dick Grayson is shot in the head by KGBeast, which does not kill him but does send him into a coma. during his time in the hospital, a member of the court of owls becomes his doctor and uses a fancy magic crystal to alter his memories. this is what causes the amnesia.
The intention was for the memory alterations to become a means of changing his memories so that his grandfather, William Cob, could manipulate him into becoming a Talon.
He leaves behind the family and the title of Nightwing and becomes a taxi driver in Bludhaven who, according to wikipedia, "frequents bars" which is just another way of saying "became a borderline alcoholic with no real social life".
Eventually, Cob gets a hold of him and does, in fact, make him a Talon, and he breaks out of it after a group of people take on the Nightwing mantle and he comes across them in battle. He spares one of them cause they have a family/kids or smth.
After this, Joker gets a hold of the crystal and uses it to make Dick think he's Joker's adopted son "Dickie Boy" so he can use him to fight the bats.
Alright, we're all caught up? splendid. Along the line here he gets a girlfriend named Bea, as well, but nothing of particular note is coming up about her in the summaries I've found.
So my main points to change/alter/extrapolate on here would be:
make Bea a real character with agency
Not use every comic book means necessary to turn Dick into a stereotypical cliche of a toxic man
change the Dickie Boy storyline
make Dick stay stuck with the family a bit longer so the impact to the dynamics of the fam can actually be explored
So let's begin.
Dick Grayson is a character that constantly has to act as a middle ground or source of morality or otherwise emotional support to those around him, especially the batfamily. We're seeing currently the way the gotham war of Batman/Catwoman is being affected because Dick has finally decided that he is done trying to fix Batman's stupid angry controlling traumatized brain because frankly Bruce won't let him and better yet Bruce doesn't want him to. And if that's how it's gonna be than Dick has now realised it'd be better off if he just took care of his family, sans Bruce, and did his best to keep Bruce in line (not killing people out of uncontrolled anger).
I think the Ric Grayson storyline could be a really good part of him coming to this decision.
Dick wakes up in the hospital with amnesia, that would stay the same. I think it can also stay the same that the Court of Owls could be at fault for that (maybe this time not with a bogus magic crystal though). Dick is shown throughout comics to have trouble sometimes struggling with anger, but nowadays he can usually control it. with amnesia he cannot.
I think it would be important to settle on an actual point in his life that he remembers up to, namely his parent's death. After his parents died he was filled with the need for vengeance, and when Bruce took him in he was able to learn to redirect that into trying to make sure that no other kid had to feel the way he did. Vengeance versus Justice/honouring your parents memory. regress his memory to having just watched his parents die, then he's raw enough that the court would, in fact, be able to do something with him.
In fact, get rid of the ex machina of memory loss altogether. some vague handwaving about head trauma and surgery and court sciences to say that they ruined his memory, and that's it. There's no fancy tool that you wave around and excuse everything.
This would be a great way to welcome new readers too! because you could start the stroyline with a recap/redo (allowing for any retcons to his origin necessary) of how Dick became Robin. Then it opens on him waking up with the amnesia. He has to remeet everyone important in his life, which means new readers would be able to very quickly get the gist of who all these people are (and comics have little boxes for references to things, so they could include references like *see [insert comic title and number here] for [insert character name here]).
He's struggling, because the last thing he remembers is his parents dying. He's able to relearn a lot of things quickly, like motor skills, langauge, other such general things (which they do briefly show in the comics I think, so props to that) but the actual memories still allude him.
Bruce says he's going to spend time with the family in the manor, then, which he figures is fair enough. It's not like he has a lot of other options.
Over the course if his time in the manor he is constantly bombarded with information, and people keep looking to him for emotional support/regulation and expecting him to fill a role he no longer can. this all boils over in an argument between Dick and Bruce, because Bruce needs Nightwing back, he's far too important of a piece in the overall machine that is this family, but Dick can't give him that.
Eventually he goes it alone, and he meets Bea along the way.
So now, he is revisting his first trauma without the emotional development that allowed him to move past the idea of vengeance, he doesn't remember any of the people he loves, and he also has a sour taste in his mouth about them all because they keep expecting him to just be better. all his bridges are burned.
This becomes a new origin of Nightwing, for the new readers, and a means for old readers to see something new in something old.
I'd give Bea a real backstory, and she and Dick both bond over their wish to get closure over something that happened in their youth. they lean on each other, so the eventual romance has a good grounds to build on.
In Dick's newly fueled urge to get revenge on Tony Zucco, the court would have plenty to work with. When he's eventually taken by William Cob, I'd have Bea follow clues about him and his belongings to find his family so she can save Dick from whoever it was that kidnapped him.
Additionally: Bea could be one of the civilians who, in the wake of crime in Bludhaven skyrocketing from Nightwing's absence, decided to try their hand at being Nightwing. Which would be an interesting foil for Dick, who has left it behind. And would also make for a funny moment when she inevitably reveals this to Dick and he has to explain everything.
The person Dick spares could then be Bea, which adds more tension to the romantic subplot, and would be how she figures out who/what kidnapped him. Which is when she'd go and track down Bruce and the fam and make them come save Dick.
Things could reach a climax by the court bringing in Tony Zucco. Have William dramatically explain to another guy 'years ago, Batman convinced Dick not to kill Tony Zucco, and he became a hero with such deeply set morals that we couldn't hope to manipulate him. But now we have stripped him of that, and he will have another chance to make this decision. And this time he will choose the right one'
Dick will, of course, not kill Zucco. It is at this time that the fam comes crashing in to save him. he frees Zucco, realising that it was never Bruce who made him a good person, never Bruce that he owed his morals and his good heart and his emotional strength, but himself, he had it in him all along, and he knows that killing isn't the right thing to do.
wham bam thank you ma'am story over. Some loose threads to tie up about Dick becoming Nightwing again and everything, but that's okay, that's what the next issue is for. It sets up a perfect sequel that is still beginner friendly but also has enough to it that long-time readers could enjoy it. Dick has managed to start getting his memorie sback now but he's still coming across flashbacks here and there, he's moving back into Bludhaven, he's redetermining what it means to be Nightwing, and he's cleaning up Bludhaven from the crimes that have skyrocketed in his absence.
He also then has the civillians who took up the Nightwing role, including Bea, who can act as a cast of new friendly faces as opposed to trying to drag up old Nightwing side-characters and reintroduce them to everyone.
The Dickie Boy storyline can be changed. Dick doesn't need two different comic lines of him being manipulated and mind controlled into becoming a glorified servant for the bad guys one after the other. one is enough. this also means the Court is cemented as Dick's bad ending/angsty backstory/villain persona stuff, y'know?
You know which robin already has a story as being Joker's adopted son? Tim! Tim already has that! Joker Junior is a thing! and people loved it! Let him do that.
Joker has stated in comics before, I believe, that the reason he hates the first robin is he could never get his paws on him and hurt him the way he did the other robins, which is such a fun way of having a different relationship between Dick's robin and joker as compared to the other robins! keep that! you don't need to change that!
And also, it means Dick gets a moment, fresh out of his amnesia arc, where there's a really bad awful thing happening to his family, which could be the catalyst for him remembering more things.
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coffeechaos01 · 7 months
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Currently getting ready for a small form of self-torture. I have issues. Lots of them. One of them being Gotham War and it fills me with a rage.
I swear the writers are trying to get me to hate it so bad I have to write an alternate ending and recreate some of the plot more than I have to just so I don’t roll over in burning hatred.
Like there’s gotta be limits on some things, moderation if you will. If there’s a wordlessly uncrossable line, Gotham War just crossed a 4-way intersection illegally. Completely uncalled for.
Like I don’t see how this could ever improve or have the relationships Bruce broke come anywhere near healing and it should be a crime to just ruin years of trust like that.
Like um, no sir when I asked for tea I didn’t mean this kind.
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(And yes I know that last panel is from a completely different scene with Scandal Savage. But also, he’s so horribly hurt look at him ;-;)
Like I’ve seen a few comments like “Bruce is dead to me because of this” or something along those lines.
Me personally, I’m never forgiving the writers for mischaracterizing him so bad. He’s not a good father, yeah, but he’s not fucking abusive to his kids.
Like WFA is fantastic and I love it. It’s my personal go-to when referring to characters and their relationships. And it’s healthy and so sweet and caring and then you have Gotham War. Two completely different writers, two completely different reactions. Like please don’t say “I’m never forgiving Bruce” when it was purely because of the writers.
If anyone needs me I’m crying angry tears until I get a comic other than WFA that consistently characterizes Bruce as anything other than an asshat.
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