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class1akids · 21 hours
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Crowd-pleasing vs THE THEMES
Let's talk about about how Horikoshi brought back Bakugou for another crowd-pleaser moment and managed to destroy several character moments for dubious gains.
I'll start with Shoto.
As I said last week, Shoto's panel placing was odd and it looked like Horikoshi was hiding something. This chapter makes it clear that - as some have speculated - Shoto in that moment, lifted Izuku with his ice. Shoto was the endpoint of the Class A combo, the person who got Deku through the last leap.
The moment - if shown full, god forbid included with a DIALOGUE - would have been a nice and emotional callback to the iconic ice-platforms Shoto made at Kamino, or during Class A vs OFA, when he trapped Izuku in an ice pillar. Shoto is one of Izuku's closest friends - it really would have been nice for him to get something like Iida or Ochako - to parallel an earlier moment (here is an idea: get rid of the jarring US president moment that makes this page needlessly cluttered and put Shoto's ice there!)
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But well, ok - if he left him off, that's because there is a twist right? We'll get a big TDDK moment, right? Or we get a finally a satisfying Origin Trio moment?? We'll get to know what was the point of the origins and rising and how it all comes together. Right?
Nope. What we get is Shoto being off-screen again (I'm not kidding you) for a "twist" or whatever, that doesn't even work as one. All these last chapters of holding off the TDDK moment was to reveal that Bakugou Katsuki who already had a huge team-up with Deku to save All Might that was good and satisfying, used Shoto's jump platform to reach Deku. (You didn't even need to hide the ice-platform for that!!)
I guess you could count it as a "recall" to the Class A combo scene in Dark Deku where Shoto and Katsuki work together to help Iida reach Deku or to the earlier Kamino rescue scene where Shoto's ice is the starting point of the rescue
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But it really doesn't work when the visual is just this - Shoto gets a panel showing the size of an anthill, when he had Phosphor activated before and if it was gonna yet another ice move, it should have really been knocking on heaven's door and to boot, gets once again no lines and no scene neither with Deku nor with Bakugou in the end.
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2. Well, if Horikoshi ruined Shoto's moment with Izuku it must have been for a fantastic, compelling team-up that had to be drawn exactly this way. Right?
The team-up in question is Deku punching through and Bakugou blowing up ShiraGiri's warp gate.
And Deku doesn't even stop and think, there is no internal conflict, there is no question about right or wrong. He went through Tomura's memories, so how much he cherished his friends, but not a single thought was spared about what ShiraGiri was trying to do.
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Haha! Hilarious! So satisfying... FUCK THE THEMES!!! WOHOOOO!
3. Was any other dynamic destroyed?
Well, now that you asked, let me remind you that the Rooftop Trio whose dynamic and comeback was already shafted horribly was devolved to this:
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Mic's emotional outburst over ShiraGiri's choice turns into wide-eyed Bakugou awe. Mic has no more emotions to spare for the tragic fate of ShiraGiri - what could ever take precedence over another layer of glaze for the main character, the inimitable, forever-winner-of-every-poll, Bakugou Katsuki?
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It's a wonderful and logical character conclusion after all for the character who got twisted into an awful, insecure bully partly due to constant praise to share the spot of the most-praised character of the endgame with the toxic, outed family abuser, right? We must make loud and clear that there is a rEdEMptiOn aRC here in case some people missed it and they are so awesome because they are doing exactly what everyone else is. (I miss Bakugou who worked WITH Class A, who put on a tie to stand with them, who took out the trash quietly - that Bakugou was endgame material Bakugou. This current Bakugou to me feels blown out of proportion.).
4. At least we got a fantastic joke out of it. Right? Something new? A nuance and interesting moment between these two. Something special to be treasured by generations to come!
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Well, ok. I guess cheritably it works like a recall to Ch 286. Maybe Shoto will catch Bakugou again. Strictly offscreen.
Don't worry. The crowd this scene was made for will be pleased. They have two weeks to gloat at the Ochako fans how Bakugou is the closest, bestest, amazingest, only-ever-important, special friend to Deku. Fuck the rest. They'll make hype, they'll tweet the tweets, blow up the trends and will successfully drown out the voices of the people who don't just focus on a single ship and care about the themes and dynamics and ask:
What happened to my MC?
What happened to the themes?
Btw, I'm not saying necessarily that Bakugou shouldn't have been back or he didn't deserve a moment. He did. He should have been part of Deku Rising last week as everyone else.
But looking at how Hori keeps fumbling the final arc, it's sadly fitting that instead of the chapter that raised Deku to his peak, Bakugou once again steals the spotlight in a chapter that wasn't about him and that tore down everything in a span of 15 pages that Izuku stood for as a main character.
I'd say I'll drop this manga, but it's too late. I'm still invested to see what happens with Touya and the Todoroki family, though after this chapter, my expectations are extremely low. All I can pray for is that Horikoshi doesn't assassinate Shoto's character as he did Deku's.
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And maybe Deku is right and there was no other choice than to kill ShiraGiri (something Deku refused to do both to Muscular and Overhaul) and pulverize Tomura's body to ash while offering no words of comfort, but if Deku came to that decision, maybe the space wasted praising Bakugou could have been used for him to reflect on that, to grapple with the choice, to let us feel the sadness and weight of what he must do.
There is so much wrong with this chapter, with how Deku was written in the last part of the manga, with Shigaraki's "conclusion", with the AFO-overload, etc. This is just a small part of it. But I wrote it to show how much a badly placed scene can destroy several other important moments.
RIP THE THEMES. Crowd-pleaser won by KO.
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mettywiththenotes · 2 days
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Reporters in the final war arc
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I like how Hori is including all the reporters before the series ends
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Hey Kurogiri? Buddy? You going okay there?
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demidokuriya · 9 days
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I have a feeling of deja vu
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pikahlua · 9 days
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MHA Chapter 422 spoilers translations
This week’s initial tentative super rough/literal translations under the cut.
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tagline 差しのべた手で送り出してーー さしのべたてでおくりだしてーー sashinobeta te de okuri dashite-- Sent off by the hand that reached out to him--
1 青山くん! あおやまくん! Aoyama-kun! "Aoyama-kun!"
2 走れ☆‼︎緑谷くん はしれ☆‼︎みどりやくん hashire☆!! Midoriya-kun "Run☆!! Midoriya-kun."
3 白く… しらく… Shiraku... "Shiraku-..."
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1 攻撃が通じない‼︎固すぎる‼︎ こうげきがつうじない‼︎かたすぎる‼︎ kougeki ga tsuujinai!! kata sugiru!! "Our attacks don't go through!! He's too hard!!"
2 AFOと違ってマボロシにマジレスしてくンだけど! オール・フォー・ワンとちがってマボロシにマジレスしてくンだけど! OORU FOO WAN to chigatte MABOROSHI ni MAJIRESU shitekuN dake do! "Unlike All For One, this guy is mad-seriously responding to my illusions!" (Note: The slang Camie uses here, MAJIRESU, means "a serious reply on a message board such as 2ch.")
3 "道"をつくるんだ‼︎ "みち"をつくるんだ‼︎ "michi" wo tsukurunda!! "Make a path!!"
4 死柄木に至る道を‼︎ しがらきにいたるみちを‼︎ Shigaraki ni itaru michi wo!! "A path that leads to Shigaraki!!"
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1 「全因解放」 「ぜんいんかいほう」 「zen'in kaihou」 "All Factors Unleash,"
2 その本質は"感情任せ"に膨れ上がることではない そのほんしつは"かんじょうまかせ"にふくれあがることではない sono honshitsu wa "kanjou makase" ni fukure agaru koto de wa nai "the essence of which is not to leave all to my emotions and swell up."
3 数多の力を"抑し" あまたのちからを"よくし" amata no chikara wo "yokushi" "It's to suppress numerous powers"
4 "支配"してこその故 "しはい"してこそのゆえ "shihai" shite koso no yue "and control them."
5 数で勝ると思うなよ かずでまさるとおもうなよ kazu de masaru to omouna yo "Don't think you've outnumbered me!"
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1 葉隠X はがくれX Hagakure X "Hagakure! [line cut off]" (Note: This text line is cut off. I assume the full text is "Hagakure-san!!" which wouldn't change the meaning here.)
2 光線の類Xわたし こうせんのたぐいXわたし kousen no tagui X watashi "The type of light rays X me." (Note: This text line is cut off. Based on the context, I can only guess she's saying something to the effect of "No matter the type of light rays, I can refract them!")
3 電磁投射砲! でんじとうしゃほう! denji toushahou! A railgun!
4 用意 ようい youi "Ready."
5 ウェイ UEI "Oui!"
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1 小賢しい こざかしい kozakashii "Clever."
2 これ以上皆をーー これいじょうみんなをーー kore ijou minna wo-- "[You won't hurt] everyone any more than this--!"
3 全身ズタボロだろ!温存しろ! 全身ズタボロだろ!温存しろ! ぜんしんズタボロだろ!おんぞんしろ! zenshin ZUTABORO daro! onzon shiro! "Your whole body is in tatters! Preserve [your strength]!"
4 あいつに届く力はおまえだけだ‼︎ あいつにとどくちからはおまえだけだ‼︎ aitsu ni todoku chikara wa omae dake da!! "Only you have the power to reach that guy!!"
5 俺たちが禦ぐ‼︎ おれたちがふせぐ‼︎ ore-tachi ga fusegu!! "We will defend!!" (Note: This word for "defend" is the same All For One used in chapter 363 when he said that heroes are the ones who "defend/protect.")
6 行け‼︎ いけ‼︎ ike!! "Go!!"
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1 ママ!お姉ちゃん‼︎ ママ!おねえちゃん‼︎ MAMA! oneechan!! "Mama! Big Sis!!"
2 パパお姉ちゃ‼︎ パパおねえちゃ‼︎ PAPA oneecha!! "Papa, [it's] Big Sis!!"
3 梅雨っ つゆっ Tsuyu "Tsuyu-!"
4 ガンバレお姉ちゃあん ガンバレおねえちゃあん GANBARE oneechaan "Do your best, Big Sis!" (Note: From this point on, understand that I am using "Do your best" as this chapter's translation of ganbare. This word is something shouted when cheering someone on, such as at a sporting event. It could be translated in many ways into English, including "Do your best!" "You can do it!" "Go for it!" "Hang in there!" "Keep at it!" "Good luck!" "Give it your best!" etc. etc.)
5 障子くん… しょうじくん… Shouji-kun... "Shouji-kun..."
6 がんばれ障子くん…! がんばれしょうじくん…! ganbare Shouji-kun...! "Do your best, Shouji-kun...!"
7 俺たちの機動力じゃこの猛攻をかいくぐるのは難しいが おれたちのきどうりょくじゃこのもうこうをかいくぐるのはむずかしいが ore-tachi no kidouryoku ja kono moukou wo kaikuguru no wa muzukashii ga "With our mobility, it will be difficult to evade this onslaught, but"
8 少しだけあなたを運ぶことぐらいなら すこしだけあなたをはこぶことぐらいなら sukoshi dake anata wo hakobu koto gurai nara "if we can carry you just a little..."
9 障子くん しょうじくん Shouji-kun "Shouji-kun!"
10 梅雨ちゃん! つゆちゃん! Tsuyu-chan! "Tsuyu-chan!"
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1-2 根性‼︎ こんじょう‼︎ konjou!! "Guts!!" (Note: I think they're shouting this word to hype themselves up.)
3 鋭ちゃん‼︎ えいちゃん‼︎ Ei-chan!! "Ei-chan!!"
4 三奈‼︎ みな‼︎ Mina!! "Mina!!"
5 頑張れ‼︎ がんばれ‼︎ ganbare!! "Do your best!!"
6 頑張ろ‼︎ がんばろ‼︎ ganbaro!! "Let's do our best!!"
7 うん!!!!!! un!!!!!! "Yeah!!!!!!"
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1 何だ なんだ nanda What's this?
2 屍肉にしか見えぬ者共… しにくにしかみえぬものども… shiniku ni shika mienu monodomo... These people I can see as nothing but dead carrion...
3 何故 なぜ naze Why
4 死なない しなない shinanai won't [they] die?
5 ろくに動けていないのに ろくにうごけていないのに roku ni ugokete inai noni Even though they can't move very well,
6 目玉だけが めだまだけが medama dake ga only their eyes-- (Note: He's saying that the most they can move is their eyeballs, or in other words, they can only watch and do not much else.)
7 目玉をギョロギョロさせるだけの めだまをギョロギョロさせるだけの medama wo GYOROGYORO saseru dake no Helplessly watching on...
8 出来損ないに渡ってしまった事が間違いだって できそこないにわたってしまったことがまちがいだって dekisokonai ni watatte shimatta koto ga machigai datte Conferring this power to someone so worthless was a mistake! (Note: Text from speech bubbles 7 and 8 is a flashback to chapter 287.)
9 そうか緑谷 そうかみどりや sou ka Midoriya So that's how it is, Midoriya.
10 緑谷出久… みどりやいずく… Midoriya Izuku... Izuku Midoriya...
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1 緑谷!!! みどりや!!! Midoriya!!! Midoriya!!!
2 おまえの omae no Your
3 弱さが よわさが yowasa ga weakness
4 ガンバレ GANBARE "Do your best!"
5 頑張れ‼︎ がんばれ‼︎ ganbare!! "Do your best!!"
6 オールマイトにはなかった OORU MAITO ni wa nakatta is what All Might didn't have.
7 頑張れ…! がんばれ…! ganbare...! "Do your best...!"
8 弱き強さが よわきつよさが yowaki tsuyosa ga The strength of weakness
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1-2 こいつらを何度でも立ち上がらせているのだ こいつらをなんどでもたちあがらせているのだ koitsura wo nando demo tachi agarasete iru noda is what makes these guys stand up again and again
3 おまえがその足を止めぬ限り おまえがそのあしをとめぬかぎり omae ga sono ashi wo tomenu kagiri so long as you don't cease your steps.
4 射出座席は切った筈X ベイルアウトはきったはずX BEIRU AUTO (kanji: shashutsu zaseki) wa kitta hazu X "Must have bailed out (read as: ejection seat) X" (Note: This text line is cut off.)
5 あんたの仕業だな あんたのしわざだな anta no shiwaza da na "This is your doing, isn't it,"
6 オールマイト OORU MAITO "All Might?"
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1 あの子らが目指したのは… あのこらがめざしたのは… ano kora ga mezashita no wa... "Those kids were aiming for..."
2 完全勝利だから… かんぜんしょうりだから… kanzen shouri da kara... "a complete victory, so..."
3 喪うものは少ない方がいい… うしなうものはすくないほうがいい… ushinau mono wa sukunai hou ga ii... "it's best if we lose fewer people..."
4 どの口が… どのくちが… dono kuchi ga... "Look who's talking..."
5 緑谷少年…あの日君が駆け出したから みどりやしょうねん…あのひきみがかけだしたから Midoriya-shounen...ano hi kimi ga kakedashita kara Young Midoriya...because you dashed out that day,
6 私も体が動いたんだ わたしもからだがうごいたんだ watashi mo karada ga ugoitanda my body moved, too.
7 あの日からずっと君はーーーー あのひからずっときみはーーーー ano hi kara zutto kimi wa---- Ever since that day, you----
8 頑張れ がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
9 頑張れ! がんばれ! ganbare! "Do your best!"
10 初日の下校を思い出す! しょにちのげこうをおもいだす! shonichi no gekou wo omoidasu! "I remember when we left school on the first day!"
11 今なら彼女が言っていた事もよくわかる気がするよ いまならかのじょがいっていたこともよくわかるきがするよ ima nara kanojo ga itte ita koto mo yoku wakaru ki ga suru yo "Now I feel like I really understand what she was saying."
12 麗日さん うららかさん Uraraka-san "Uraraka-san"
13 もう病院つくから… もうびょういんつくから… mou byouin tsuku kara... "is already headed to the hospital..."
14 頑張れ…皆も頑張ってる がんばれ…みんなもがんばってる ganbare...minna mo ganbatteru "Do your best... Everyone is doing their best, too."
15 でも demo But
16 「デク」って 「DEKU」 tte "Deku," well…
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1 「頑張れ‼︎」って感じでなんか好きだ 私 「がんばれ‼︎」ってかんじでなんかすきだ わたし 「ganbare!!」 tte kanji de nanka suki da watashi (literal translation) I like how it's got a feeling like, "Do your best!!" (official translation) It just screams, "Do your best!!" I kinda like it.
2 がんばれ…! ganbare...! "Do your best...!"
3 今すぐ全ヒーローを日本へ向かわせろ! いますぐぜんヒーローをにほんへむかわせろ! ima sugu zen HIIROO wo nihon e mukawasero! "Have all our heroes head for Japan right now!"
4 しかし大統領AFOが勝利しー場合 我が国の保 しかしだいとうりょうオール・フォー・ワンがしょうりしーばあい わがくにのほ shikashi daitouryou OORU FOO WAN ga shouri shi-- baai wagakuni no ho- "But Mr. President, if All For One is victorious, our country's protection-"
5 知るか行けえ しるかいけえ shiru ka ikee "Who cares? Go!"
6 皆の声が みんなのこえが minna no koe ga Everyone's voices,
7 聞こえる きこえる kikoeru I can hear them.
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1 頑張れ がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
2 がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
3 頑張れ がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
4 がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
5 ガンバレ GANBARE "Do your best!"
6 頑張れ がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
7 ガンバレ GANBARE "Do your best!"
8 がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
9 頑張れ がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
10 がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
11 がんばれ ganbare "Do your best!"
12 がんばれっ ganbare "Do your best!"
13 私の最高のヒーローだったよ! わたしのさいこうのヒーローだったよ! watashi no saikou no HIIROO datta yo! "...you were my greatest hero!"
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1 頑張れ がんばれ ganbare "Do your best,"
2 出久‼︎ いずく‼︎ Izuku!! "Izuku!!"
tagline 1 No.422 緑谷出久:ライジング 堀越耕平 ナンバー422 みどりやいずく:ライジング ほりこしこうへい NANBAA 422  Midoriya Izuku: RAIJINGU  Horikoshi Kouhei No. 422 Izuku Midoriya: Rising Kouhei Horikoshi
tagline 2 仲間が拓いた道の先ーーー みんながひらいたみちのさきーーー minna (kanji: nakama) ga hiraita michi no saki--- Ahead of the path paved by everyone (read as: [his] comrades)---
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I love Inko so much. I can’t imagine the internal conflict she must be going through right now. She wants Izuku safe and sound above everything else, screw the rest of the world that’s her baby. BUT she knows this is his dream even if it means her worst fears come true. She single handedly raised the world’s greatest hero to be the kind heart that he is. She deserves for him to come home safely. Someone pls scream about how amazing she is with me
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mimi-weka · 7 days
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"Young Midoriya...because you dashed out that day, my body moved, too. Ever since, you've always been The Greatest Hero to me!"
Izuku Midoriya: Rising
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kafiguas · 9 days
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So….
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maythebaebewithyou · 9 days
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Oh. I’m ill.
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epickiya722 · 5 days
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This bit right here!! Tsu's little siblings cheering on for her!! THAT'S THEIR BIG SISTER!! 😭💚
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class1akids · 20 hours
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I'm begging Hori, if he makes one change to Ch 422 in the volume, please let it be Shoto's moment! He didn't deserve to be hidden there and the pay-off is not worth it. That was not a good enough reason to off-screen him boosting Izuku!!!!
Showing it takes nothing away from Bakugou's moment, but not showing it took everything away from Shoto.
Justice for TDDK!!!
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mettywiththenotes · 5 days
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I see some people asking "when are we going to get a Bakugou moment where he encourages Izuku??" But didn't he already have it?
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I believe he was the one who started the whole "do your best" thing off before 422
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commander-revan · 9 days
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dekusfluffyhair · 8 days
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SPOILERS
WAIT IM crying - ALL MIGHT CALLING IZUKU HIS GREATEST HERO??? BYE DADMIGHT FOREVER
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greenhappyseed · 5 days
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Everything Izuku wanted to hear in Chapter 1, he gets in 422. All Might said during the Iron Might fight that yes, the quirkless can be heroes, but here he is going a step further and saying Izuku is his personal greatest hero. Likewise, Inko has cheered for Izuku before, but always with a tinge of worry. Here she’s screaming at him to do his best, just like everyone else.
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demidokuriya · 9 days
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So, we currently have 4 "Rising" chapter:
Chapter 1 Izuku Midoriya: Origin — Chapter 422 Izuku Midoriya: Rising;
Chapter 62 Katsuki Bakugo: Origin — Chapter 285 Katsuki Bakugo: Rising;
Chapter 39 Shoto Todoroki: Origin — Chapter 390 Shoto Todoroki: Rising;
Chapter 398 Toshinori Yagi: Rising/Origin.
Although it also had a chapter 63 called Yaoyorozu: Rising, but it's not exactly the same. We never see her Origin, and she doesn't play that big of a role in the plot overall. Horikoshi didn't even write her full name in the chapter, just her last name.
But you know who hasn't gotten their "Rising" chapter yet?
Chapter 235 Tenko Shimura: Origin
Chapter 236 Tenko Shimura: Origin, Part 2
We also have Chapter 237 Tomura Shigaraki: Origin, but I think it's related to the Chapter 222 Tomura Shigaraki: Distortion. Tomura Shigaraki is a person who was created and destroyed by AFO, so Rising is hardly possible for him in principle. So instead of Rising he got Distortion. On the other hand, Tenko Shimura...
I expect we'll get another Rising.
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