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mistergreatbones · 1 year

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I hate that all of ahsoka’s relationships are seen as secondary to her relationship with anakin.

(oh my god i need to stop making ridiculously loooooong rants about a children's show from 2008. anyways spoilers below.)

Like, we know she has a relationship with Obi-Wan, but we never really see it expanded on. They’re in a lot of scenes together, but anakin’s always there and the focus is always on him. There aren’t really any one-on-one moments between just the two them.

During the Rako Hardeen arc, Ahsoka watches Obi-Wan die in her arms and all she has to say is that she’s worried about Anakin. We see Anakin be angry and try to kill “Hardeen” and Ahsoka’s right there with him with no elaboration into how she feels. And then Anakin calms down after he learns the truth and Ahsoka is just… also chill. If she was even told it was fake it happened off-screen, and on-screen she just all of a sudden stops being angry and sad and is just joking around with Padmé likes nothing’s wrong?

And Padmé. They hug and joke about Anakin and go off on missions with each other. Ahsoka confides in Padmé and goes to her apartment uninvited, and Padmé always seems genuinely happy to see Ahsoka, but I don’t remember ever actually seeing them meeting one another. And, while we do see Ahsoka mourning Padmé’s death, but we don’t ever get to see Padmé’s reaction to Ahsoka leaving. Padmé was just as much Ahsoka’s friend and mentor as Anakin, but while it’s implied that Anakin’s so aggressive and cold during season six is because he’s upset about Ahsoka, Padmé’s just… the same as she always is. She gets to be sad and angry about Anakin’s behavior, but her own relationship with Ahsoka is almost forgotten. And when Ahsoka comes back, Anakin gets to be ecstatic and happy over it, but then we don’t even know if Padmé was told her friend had returned.

It’s kinda like the show just assumes Ahsoka has a relationship with the people Anakin’s close to, but no one’s allowed to, like, outshine him.

Ahsoka spends the entire series with the 501st, but we never see her have any meaningful connections with them. She knows everyone’s name and she defends them in battle and she talks about how she trusts them, but she never interacts with anyone outside of combat. And they defend her too and follow her orders without question and paint they’re helmets in her honor (painting over one of obvious and most important identifying feature, meaning they are literally giving up their individuality to welcome back the girl they missed so much, but that's a whole other conversation), and most of the time we see them they are dying around her and she doesn’t even blink.

And Rex. Oh boy, Rex. Ahsoka spends her entire padawanhood at Rex’s side, and we’re never shown how it affects either of them. Rex is a battle-harden soldier forced to take orders from an inexperienced child. He lived with her and he fought with her and he watched her mature but there’s nothing to suggest he helped raised her. He’s not her master or her mentor or her brother or her father or her crèchemate or her CO, he’s just a guy who works for her. She calls him her friend and “Rex ol’ boy” and jokes with him and confides in him like they’re equals, but he only calls her “Commander” or “kid”. We get to watch Anakin warm up to her, but we don’t ever see Rex get used to her. He isn’t allowed to question her, he doesn’t react when she gets his brothers killed, but by the end he clearly respects her. He doesn’t mention her once when they aren’t in combat, but he’s happy to see her whenever they reunite.

Which, like. It makes sense. While most of the time we see Ahsoka is during missions and battles, she still was a Jedi and missed out on a lot of missions because she was back at the Temple doing her Padawan duties. If Ahsoka's primary social sphere is the Jedi, it'd make sense for her to only have a working relationship with the clones, but when never really get to see Ahsoka's relationship with the Jedi either.

She has these really meaningful moments that shape her identity with Sinube and Aayla and Luminara and Jocasta, and then barely interacts with them afterwards. We see how important Plo is to Ahsoka, and then she never mentions him or mourns him, and he we never see her feelings on her leaving.

We see Yoda genuinely shook and haunted and guilty and regretful about what happened to Ahsoka. We see her go to him for advice and spar with him and be taught by him and helping him with the younglings during the Gathering. We know they know each other, but we don't know why Yoda assigned her specifically to Anakin. We don't see either of their feelings about Ahsoka being a member of Yoda's lineage. We don't know her feelings about being in the same lineage as Qui-Gon or Dooku either.

We get to see Ahsoka and Barriss become friends on Geonosis, but we don't get to see that relationship develop until all of a sudden Barriss is framing Ahsoka for terrorism. Which is. Something that deserves elaborating I believe.

And we don't get to see Ahsoka be friends with any other Jedi her age. Anakin was the one who introduced Barriss and Ahsoka, and Kanan is younger than her and didn't seem to know her super well. We never see any of the people Ahsoka was raised with. The only person from her childhood she ever mentions is Plo. Like surely Ahsoka had friends growing up that she missed, other Padawans on the frontlines or at the Temple when she was being accused. And is Ahsoka *was* friendless growing up, that would likely have reflected in her personality?

And for the other friends Ahsoka makes in her range: she doesn't talk to Saw or Lux again after Onderon, we know next to nothing about her relationship with Bo-Katan, and when Ahsoka and Riyo were playing Nancy Drew it's just casually brought up that they've been besties the whole time?

(Trace and Rafa were done well though. They and Plo can remain unelaborated.)

And after tcw, this doesn't get any better! We don't know why she stayed in touch with Bo-Katan to the point that she knows what backwater planet Ahsoka was liberating.

And fucking Rebels,,, like we know she was a close friend and mentor to Ezra, but we don't see many meaningful moments between them, until all of a sudden Ahsoka is sacrificing herself and Ezra is crying on Kanan's shoulder like he did when his parents died. And then Ahsoka is ignoring the rest of the galaxy, just trying to find Ezra.

We don't see her relationship or feelings with Kanan, one of the only Temple-raised Jedi left. We don't see her relationship with Sabine, just that they're working together to find Ezra.

And Tales of the Jedi ALSO brought up more questions. Bail and Ahsoka are friends?? Ahsoka regularly lets the clones give her a concussion, to the point they can just be standing in a circle shooting at her in the middle of the hanger on the Star Destroyer and no one blinks??

And, well it's no longer canon, Ahsoka was designed wearing traditional Togruta clothes in the form of her sash and her akul-tooth headdress, which you can only get from killing an Akul single-handedly. This implies she has a relationship with her culture, and has performed Togruta rituals, likely on Shili. She calls the Togruta colonists on Kiros as "her people", implying she sees herself as one of the Togruta, in addition to being a Jedi. But does she know her parents? Does she have Togruta friends, whether on Shili or within the Jedi? Certainly you can identify with the culture you descended from without being close to your parents (2nd and 3rd gen immigrant identity crises rise up!), but we don't get to know her thoughts and relationship to her people. We don't know who took her back to Shili, who taught her about her people since her parents couldn't. I mean we know there are other Togruta Jedi, but I don't recall Ahsoka even interacting with Shaak Ti, a Togruta Jedi who was already in tcw.

I mean, we don't even see how her species makes her different from the humans around her. We don't see her fangs or her roar or her echo-location. They even gave her human eyes when originally they were gonna look like Shaak Ti's.

When Ahsoka leaves the Order, she stops wearing Togruta clothes. She doesn't go to Shili or Kiros, places where it can be assumed she has a relationship with someone, even if it's not her parents. She doesn't go see Padme or Riyo, both established to be close friends not in the Jedi.

We know she feels angry and upset with the Jedi and the Republic who betrayed and abandoned her, but we only see her goodbye to Anakin, not to Plo or Obi-Wan, who were on the council that dismissed her and would have complicated feelings in regards too. Not to Sinube or Jocasta or Aayla. Not to Padme. Not to Rex.

After Order 66, she mourns Anakin and Padme and Obi-Wan and the clones and... no one else. No mention of the Jedi she knew. She lived fourteen years without knowing Anakin, Obi-Wan, or Rex, but it's like she appeared out of the ether to join their group!

She went from ~Togruta girl brought to the Temple by Plo~ to ~Anakin's sassy badass Padawan~ with no in-between stage! Absolutely no mention of her life as an youngling and initiate!

And like, I know she was literally created to be Anakin's Padawan, and was never meant to be anything more then a device to aid his fall, but it shouldn't feel like that. Sure, she looks cool and she has character traits and she has other relationships, but it certainly feels like they needed Anakin to have a Padawan so they made "Anakin's PadawanTM" without thinking of her in any other way beyond that. And when she became a character who was bigger than just Anakin, they didn't bother fleshing her out as anything other than the vague idea she started as of "Jedi Togruta teenage girl Commander".

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skygirlstars · 9 months

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the criticism of a lot of the Star Wars animated series post-The Clone Wars, namely Rebels and The Bad Batch, that I find absolutely bizarre is that they have “too much filler.” I disagree with that, and honestly just the concept of filler in general, but sure, you’re entitled to your opinion. but what bothers me is how a lot of people say TCW is the best Star Wars show and then hate on others like Rebels and TBB for “filler.”

like….did we watch the same TCW?

it’s probably over half “filler.” the droid arc, the one where Jar Jar gets laid, the blue shadow virus, etc etc. TBB especially reminds me so much of TCW with the sometimes meandering storylines and extremely jarring tonal shifts between episodes or arcs. but I find it kind of endearing tbh. I love that these shows are goofy some of the time and really deep other times! it’s part of the fun! that’s Star Wars!

if TCW came out today, people would hate on it. I’m not saying you have to like any of the shows, but I just find that specific criticism kind of ridiculous when someone also reveres TCW. childhood nostalgia is definitely a factor, so maybe the other shows will become more popular in a few years, we’ll see. just something to think about

#star wars #the clone wars #the bad batch #star wars rebels #my hot take of the day #star wars analysis #star wars fandom #clone wars is my favorite star wars show too but some people are not remembering it correctly lmao #filler episodes #I could make a whole other post talking about the concept of filler and how ridiculous I find it #star wars animation #star wars shows #star wars criticism #using a gif from one of the most notorious filler episodes lol #gif by azertyrobaz #sky speaks

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chiss-ticism · 2 years

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I think that my only real problem with Andor as it currently stands, is just how human-centric it is. I understand full well that good costumes are expensive to make, especially if they're meant to be reusable, flexible, and expressive (which is to say nothing about the Mouse likely not wanting to pay the prices associated with unionized workers when they can just not worry about it and have humans do all the heavy lifting) as well as the fact that the average Joe'll likely find it easier to connect with a human as they can see themselves in them, but it still feels off to me.

Don't get me wrong, it's, for lack of a better word, 'interesting' to see how Imperial culture interacts with human cultures that they wrongly view as lesser - that the average Twi'lek that finds themself displaced from their home will be able to find solidarity amongst some of the humans outside of the Inner Rim - but on the other side of the coin, it also feels a bit at odds with a lot of other Star Wars media in that regard. The Empire largely used the overtly alien leadership of the Confederacy of Independant Systems to demonize any group that wasn't human, leaving them to be the main targets of their Othering and a big source of their propaganda machine, which is a large part of the reason that they get away with the use of, amongst other things, slave labor.

So, with that it mind, minor details like Mon Mothma's advocation for better treatment of the Ghorman's being an off-screen stepping stone for her character development or everyone we've seen within the prison facility (or even in places like Ferrix) Cassian interacts with significantly being human bothers me just a smidge

#It's excellent tv otherwise #Just a larger reoccurring problem with live action Star Wars that's been a thing since the Sequels came out #And like #A lot of the shows' aliens being at Mothma's parties caught my eye too :/#andor spoilers #Andor criticism #star wars criticism #star wars spoilers #Star Wars #pat rambles into the void

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padmestrilogy · 4 months

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has it ever been more over

#just collecting my fave hate tweets. yes i hate u and ur ahsoka pfp specifically and i can never have fun #mandalorian critical #ahsoka critical #<i think both of those tags are dead but o well #star wars

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silverknight338 · 7 months

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To me star wars does not give an equivalent emotional payout when investing ones time into watching it. Especially the new series. You know their efforts will be helpful, but that they won’t see the fruits until much later, if at all. Unless you’re watchig the clone wars, then all that awaits is tragedy. That’s the core of all these series: to endear characters that are destined to fail or die. Why should I invest my time watching characters struggle when they will fail?

There is barely any hope, no sort of bright future to look forward to.

#i’ve never greatly enjoyed the franchise #but these series are killing my joy man #my partner watched them thats why im complaining #star wars #star wars criticism #seriously so fucking depressed after watching star wars

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littlefeatherr · 24 days

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cat_does_the_arts

#the bad batch #sw tbb #tbb #tbb wrecker #tbb echo #tbb hunter #tbb omega #tbb tech #tbb crosshair #star wars #sw fanart #tbb fanart #this is the way tbb ends #no matter what happens during the finale #no i will not accept criticism

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demigoddessqueens · 8 months

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touch

Thinking of touch-starved men…, their eyes follow your hands and fingers so carefully, anxiously, getting easily jealous at how casual your touches are with others who are not them; always lingering where you are, seeking out your presence and just wanting a sliver of your attention away from everyone else; touch-starved ones who have a quiet gasp whenever you place your hands over theirs or just a casual friendly touch; chills along their spine and entire body as you play with their hair; hugs make them freeze in their tracks before arms tentatively wrap around you like your made of glass or a stardust that will vanish the second it’s over

EDIT: they can’t help but swallow down their moan(s) when your fingers brush through their hair, lightly touching the exposed back of their neck

Just….touch starved characters…

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raphaerolo · 3 months

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Propaganda

#he did nothing wrong #i will be taking no criticism #commander fox #clone troopers #the clone wars #star wars #my art #digital art #illustration

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keethus-arts · 11 months

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TBOBF Din be like

#Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm doing #First time using shadows #so if they look wonky #that's why #constructive criticism is welcomed #the mandalorian #mandalorian #star wars #din djarin #mando #baby yoda #yodito #the child #my art #fanart #star wars fanart #keethus arts

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short-wooloo · 1 month

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Now that the trailer is out, it's probably best that I get this out of the way before acolyte releases

The Jedi are right about the Force and the dark side

The Jedi did not lose their way

The Jedi were not corrupted

The genocide of the Jedi was not their fault

The Jedi are not wrong for being part of the Republic, it is in fact a good thing

The Jedi are not arrogant for thinking the sith are gone

and while we're at it the sith are evil, always, end of discussion

The Jedi do not steal children

If someone wants to leave the Jedi, that's allowed, no one will stop them

The Jedi are right about attachment

Attachment is not love (SW uses the Buddhist definition because Lucas is a Buddhist and the Jedi are based off Buddhist monks, Buddhism defines attachment as being possessive or unwilling to let go of people or things)

The Jedi do not forbid emotions, they forbid being controlled by your emotions, you must control them

The Jedi are not forbidden from loving people, nor are they celibate, they just can't get married (big whup) because their duties must come first

Being peacekeepers doesn't preclude the Jedi from fighting in war, sometimes to keep the peace you have to fight back, especially when its against tyranny, see WWII (or Ukraine today)

Gray jedi are not a thing

The Jedi are not slavers or complicit in slavery

Oh and of course, the Jedi are not elitists for not training non Force sensitives, (Han voice) that's not how the Force works, dave filoni broke the rules so he could shoehorn sabine into a Jedi (to give the benefit of the doubt, I do believe sabine's role as ahsoka's apprentice was meant for an original character but things got condensed by executives, so maybe filoni isn't entirely to blame here)

Feel free to add anything I forgot

Do not, DO NOT!! add anything Jedi critical, I'm done with it and won't hear it, don't have something nice to say? Then go away, I will block on sight, either reblog without comment (either in the reblog or the notes) or don't interact at all

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fortunethief · 4 months

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Absolutely LOVE this look!

#pedro pascal #critics choice awards #award season #the last of us #joel miller #the mandalorian #din djarin #tlou #star wars #mandalorian #oberyn martell #game of thrones #javi peña #javier peña #narcos #the unbearable weight of massive talent #javier gutierrez #javi gutierrez

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kanansdume · 7 months

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It's continuously frustrating that this show REFUSES to condemn Anakin for the things he's done or even really explicitly call him out on them, and they even go so far as to basically decide none of it even MATTERED.

But all they can say about the Jedi is that they failed.

When asked what Anakin was like, all Huyang says is that he was "intense."

The worst Ahsoka says is that he was "more dangerous than anyone realized" and then two episodes later she's calling him a "good master" despite everything he did to her and the rest of the galaxy. She never ONCE condemns him for committing a genocide against the Jedi and hunting them down for over two decades. She never ONCE condemns him for enslaving the clones and betraying their loyalty and using them as weapons against the Jedi they loved. She never ONCE condemns him for trying to personally kill HER.

He jokes with her, he gets to say that he wants to protect her, he gets to guide her into choosing to live, he makes recordings for her that she still uses years later. Anakin gets to be "more" than just his failures.

But the Jedi, somehow, do not. The Jedi are ONLY EVER their failures. Ahsoka never mentions them otherwise, she never remembers them fondly at all, she has no stories or connections about any of the other Jedi, she constantly disregards Jedi protcols as foolish and ridiculous at best.

The best thing they can say about the Jedi is that the "idea of them" had merit. But Anakin gets to be a GENUINELY good Jedi Master, more than just a good IDEA.

And this just feels like the WORST of double standards to me.

#star wars #jedi #ahsoka show #ahsoka tano #ahsoka series #pro jedi #jedi appreciation #jedi order appreciation #ahsoka 2023 #star wars ahsoka #sw ahsoka #ahsoka spoilers #anakin critical #anakin skywalker critical #anti anakin #anti anakin skywalker

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charmwasjess · 3 months

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The “What if Dooku Trains Obi-Wan instead of Qui-Gon AU” is genuinely precious to me and I think they would thrive.

Still, can you imagine how much initial adjustment it take be for Obi-Wan “Qui-Gon Isn’t Following The Rules and It’s Giving Me a Stomach Ache” Kenobi to be trained by the guy Qui-Gon learned that from?

A typical Master Dooku mission canon example from Dooku: Jedi Lost

Dooku: the mission is called Space Nascar and we have to do a shot everytime someone pisses me off Dooku: see the Council assigns me these sorts of elbow-rubbing rich people event missions because of my “good” “stable” personality Dooku: for example I’ve almost gotten in two separate fights and we’ve been here five minutes Dooku: Now let’s go steal a speeder, I just Force-threw a cop

Qui-Gon is rattled by this. QUI-GON JINN.

On the other hand, Obi-Wan’s existing partnerships prove he’s able to thrive under chaos. Dooku, for all his faults, seems to have the singular ability as a Master to produce incredibly self-confident students. He’s repeatedly established as someone who genuinely loves teaching and is a natural at it, who is at their best when part of a Master Padawan partnership - which seemed to be a struggle for Qui-Gon. Ultimately he and Obi-Wan built a loving, successful partnership, but in every timeline it seems to have been initially rocky and took years to flourish. The difference in Obi-Wan having a Master who is tremendously engaged and invested in him from the get-go, but also deeply chaotic?

Makashi Chaos Monster Obi-Wan. Oh no, he’s a duelist just like his dad and bitchier than ever! The part of him that is inclined to say things like “Sith Lords are our Specialty” is given room to grow and thrive. His monologues increase tenfold and he has a lightsaber form where they’re built right in. The quips! The amount of leaving a conversation that’s going badly by jumping out a window (pulling a Dooku)!

It’s so beautiful. 🥲

#dooku #obi wan kenobi #star wars meta #qui gon jinn #this is not qui-gon critical btw I think him not being a natural teacher but blooming into one over their partnership is truly beautiful #dooku was probably a fucking mess the first few years of training rael #disaster lineage

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