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hansoeii · 7 months
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art-ro-vert · 5 months
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Was thinking about how Mobius does not know that Loki defended him in front of Sylvie, and in his eyes: they argued, Loki took Sylvie’s side and then left for good.
So head canon, that Mobius is sure that all of this was for Sylvie. That Loki wanted to give her a chance and a life she wanted, and that he cared only for her. That all Mobius was for Loki is a useful acquaintance in the TVA, not even a real friend.
And so he makes it his purpose to make sure that Sylvie is happy and fine, because that is what Loki wanted. And he neglects his own well-being fully, because surely it is not of importance anymore.
And he talks to Loki often hoping he could hear, but he only tells about Sylvie. Reassuring that she is happy and well and trying to explain all the little details about her life, so Loki would feel closer to her. And sometime he talks about b-15 and OB and Cassy. But never about himself…Because surely Loki does not care and even if he did, there is nothing to tell…
And then one day they fight agains Timely’s varient and he aims at Sylvie with a weird gun, and Mobius just jumps in front of her and takes a shot to his chest, because he cannot risk it. If Sylvie dies than Loki’s sacrifice would hold no meaning anymore.
They take Mobius to TVA med bay. He is hurt badly, holding on the verge but still alive.
And then the next day after the incident with Mobius still out, they see something weird happening to the timelines.
The one where they fought seems to be getting enormous amount of energy practically glowing with it, while a few others die.
And for the next week more branches die and all the construction seems to be trembling and falling little by little. And then it occurred to them that Loki does not know that Mobius is alive, because they took him out of Loki’s sight to TVA.
So Sylvie goes on the timeline and talks to Loki
“I am sorry we did not tell you earlier, but you should know that he is alive. Still out and we are not sure how much it will take for him to heal, but he should be okay. I know you got scared but you need to get a hold of it, the branches are dying.
He will be okay, I promise. I will put him on timeline for you to see once he is healed enough. Just please hold on, Loki…”
And then when Mobius finally wakes up, still weak and totally surprised that he is alive, Sylvie gives him a talk.
“Why would you do something so stupid! I am God, Mobius, I would have dodged it. Or even if I did not, I would heal in no time!”
“I did not want to take that chance. We did not know what kind of weapon that was”
“So you thought it’s okay to try that out on yourself? When you are just human?”
“My life is expendable… yours is of value”
“What the hell are you talking about?”
“Loki left because he loved you and wanted for you to live, his sacrifice should have a meaning. And I am ready protect this meaning with my life”
“And do you think he would not care if you are gone?”
“Why would he care? I did my part as a TVA agent for him, what else can my existence possible bring?”
“That does not matter Mobius! He does care, you dumb man! He almost killed the branches trying to heal you with his magic!”
“He did what…?”
“He tried to power the timeline where you got shot with the magic, a few others died in the process. It was all unstable for a week like he was loosing control, before I went on the timeline to let him know you are alive…
Mobius, he does it for you! He is out there holding the multiverse, so you could live as long as you are given, and you dare to say your life is expendable?
“He did it for you Sylvie… He loves you…”
“Yes, he did, and he did it for all of us in a sense. And he loves all of us of course, me included but like a friend and a part of himself. While he loves you so much more than that!
He told me... When we argued and he went after me. He told me you changed him like Jane changed Thor. You gave him hope, Mobius, you gave him acceptance and your kindness. You made him who he is and he loves you so much. And he really wants you to be happy and have a choice!
I thought you knew…”
And at that Mobius is crying, because that is all he ever wanted to be enough for Loki.
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sserpente · 7 months
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Loki Season 2 – Episode 1 RECAP
HERE WE GO AGAIN! FINALLY! LET’S DO THIS, SHALL WE?
As always, HEAVY SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 1 BELOW THE CUT!
Also from now on, as usual, in addition to the keep reading tags, I will tag posts that contain spoilers with the hashtag "#loki season 2 spoilers" and "#loki spoilers" so you can filter them from your dashboard until you're ready!
Did I stay up until 3 a.m. to watch the first episode again? Yes. Yes, I did.
We are starting off so damn STRONG. Damn it, I just wanted to hug Loki so bad. He’s been through so much shit and he was so heartbroken and desperate! Imagine you get to cup his face and just tell him to take a deep breath with you! What made it even more painful was the moment he fully realised that Mobius didn’t recognise him—his one friend, the one person who likes him for who he is… and he doesn’t remember him… and then the relief on his face when was in the right place again!
Loki was so panicked about the impending war. For good reason, obviously but it truly shows that Thor: Ragnarok lied. Loki wouldn’t be a bad king, now hear me out—in The Avengers, Thanos had the upper hand. You all remember that one scene where he sort of backtracks and says “It’s too late… it’s too late to stop it…” but can’t join forces with Thor because The Other was watching him? Loki understands the sacrifice for sure and in the first Thor film, when he tried to wipe out Jötunheim, what I believe is that he wanted to prevent the war that Thor himself had started by attacking those Jötuns. Loki’s not about violence and causing pain and destruction, he just got caught in the middle of it several times, and circumstances forced him into choices that were not heroic. We knew that already, of course… but it’s nice to see that reflected in the series. Besides, we don’t need him to be a hero. We just need him to be Loki. 🥰
The jokes were spot-on, not too silly, not out of place, in my opinion, but sprinkled in just right so far. Skin? Also, can we please talk about the warning on the floor that said Spaghettification? Come on! 😂😂😂
Now in that sense, O.B. is indeed brilliant. A lovely and light addition to the serious bureaucracy of the TVA for sure!
I really wasn’t worried about Loki making it back safely, somehow. Let’s face it, they wouldn’t have killed him in the first episode of Season 2. With that being said… I hope for their sake he stays safe at the end too, otherwise, I will hurt a lot of people! 🙂
X5… X5, what are we gonna do with him? I hate him. Of course, I do. He’s got something about him that just makes you want to slap him in the face. 😒
Now there are two questions we immediately ask ourselves, right? Where, or rather, when did Sylvie come from? And who pruned Loki? Was it another Sylvie, or another Loki? Another Mobius? B15? An antagonistic character who realised their wrongs? A new character? A Kang Variant? They’ve definitely left us some loose ends! 🤔
And lastly… it’s absolutely heartbreaking to see how much Loki cares for Sylvie despite what happened at the end of Season 1. She basically betrayed him! For reasons Loki understands, of course, but still… it broke his heart… and hence it broke mine. He was so ready to stop the others from going after her even though he was facing the very gruesome time slipping problem. 😭
If you’ve seen the video I posted earlier, you’ll know that I have already seen Episode 2 as well today. I won’t lose a word about that one until next week though! 😉 All I’m gonna say is that we’re in for a treat. 😏
PS: I want that TVA handbook as a notebook for my writing.
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la-was-here · 18 days
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A note about Loki and Thor
After years of reading fanfiction where Loki is portrayed as a psychopath and a cunning scoundrel (for some reason this is the majority of fanfiction in my bubble?), I accidentally decided that this trope was canon. But damn, how wrong I was. Hiddleston's Loki is a very sensitive, vulnerable character who needs support and love.
Unfortunately, his mother's recognition and love are not enough. The boy needs recognition from the male part of the family. He always felt abandoned. I would like to read more fanfics where Loki is a sensitive character.
(His vulnerability is so desperately visible. The 2012 version of Loki is brutal, but we don't know what crap and heartache the character went through.)
Loki's in the series.
Disney's Loki reveals even more of the character's sensitive side. We see his pain as he looks at his life story, we see his sincere friendship with Mobius (honestly, it's amazing)
And we see how he wants to keep Sylvie safe, which could also be a hint that he is finally ready to support himself ( literally damn he supports himself) and we see his sacrifice for the sake of all loved ones and strangers.
This is what Loki would have ended up with if he had not died in Thor 3. One way or another, this version of Loki would have become the god of stories (whatever that means).
Thor
And I would also like to see a more interesting Thor, who often thanks his brother, consults, and treats him with respect.
Thoughts on Thor. We know that Thor cares about Loki, but I got the feeling that for a very long time, before Thor 1, he treated Loki like a child who doesn’t understand anything (while Thor is a teenager) and this prevents Thor from accepting him as an equal and allowing him to show Thor's mistakes.
After the 1 chapter, Thor finally matures through grief over the loss of his brother.
I really don't see much of a role for Jane Foster in his changes. I think initially he treated her as one of his hobbies, respected her intelligence, but still... I think she was more fascinated than he was.
(After all, in The Avengers he 100% had the opportunity to drop by for tea, which he didn’t take.) I think the fact that he had a lot going on and the loss of his brother played a role in his attachment to Foster.
In The Avengers and Thor 2 we see that Thor does not know how to communicate with Loki, his brother grew up the same way as him, there is awkwardness around.
Later on Sakaar we see Thor let his brother go. I imagine that he doesn’t want to witness another fake death, doesn’t want to relive it again. He is calmer knowing that Loki is somewhere, he is alive and doing his insidious deeds.
In the third part there is a feeling that they are finding a connection and an understanding of how to communicate, although this is not the end yet. Loki returned to Thor precisely when Thor let him go, allowing his brother and himself to “be themselves,” took up the affairs of his people, and took responsibility.
At this point, their growing up against the backdrop of a showdown can be considered almost complete.
I think in the end they would manage to become a good team. But it would take them a long time to learn to fully accept each other’s shortcomings. And I think one day Thor would say that he got too excited by blaming Loki for his father's death.
Oh I don't know, I just want a fanfic written by a psychologist XD
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taraljc · 6 months
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Even more Loki meta. The most Loki meta of Loki meta. Part 2
The Loom is a metaphor for the broken system. The quest to try and fix the broken system is what gave each of the characters the opportunity to evolve. To answer the important questions. At their core, who are they? Who are they becoming? What do they want? What are they willing to sacrifice?
B15 showed the TVA that they had to change. Even the hardline General Dox in the end accepted that. Instead of the TVA erupting into factions and violence, they told everyone the truth: they were variants. They had their lives erased. They had been stolen, repurposed, lied to, and they had been mindlessly giving up their own free will. Absolved of any wrongdoing, because the Timekeepers dictated the proper flow of time. Someone above their pay grade had taken the burden of all those the hard choices onto their own shoulders. The Timekeepers made it easy for them. People like easy. So, they put their heads down and woke up every day doing their small parts enforcing a broken system, committing genocide over and over again in order to have the promise of a paradise that was only ever an illusion.
They had to individually and as a group recognise that every being on every timeline deserved a chance. That they were exactly like them. That they all mattered. They had to decide who they were now, and who they wanted to become. They had to take up the burden they had so long ago given away, and learn how to make their own choices. Especially the difficult ones. That from now on, no-one was paving their way, giving them a set path to follow. That choice didn’t always breed shame and uncertainty and regret.
The TVA isn't full of mindless fascist drones. The TVA aren't time cops. The TVA can be the equivalent of social services, first responders, and support for the entire multiverse. The massive bureaucratic machine that was originally built to limit reality can be repurposed to support the growth of new worlds because unlike the loom, the TVA was made up of people. And people can and do change.
Sylvie believes she had freed the multiverse. She used HWR’s TemPad to monitor the timelines for his variants, and only stepped in when Victor Timely was weaponised and became a threat. She learned that killing Timely was not her only solution. That killing was not the only solution. She learned to recognise the toxic anger and hatred inside her was slowly poisoning her and she needed to let it and Renslayer and her obsession go in order to move forward. She learned she was able to let people in, form connections, find a home and put down roots. The price she paid was losing the first friends she had ever made. Severing the first real connection in her life. And she deemed that an acceptable loss. Loki was collateral damage.
Mobius is struggling to deal with losing the most significant relationship in his long life, and the one person who truly knew him because she had been his partner for as long as he could remember. The big picture had always been a lie. Most of all, he was struggling to accept he did not truly know himself. He was afraid to find out who he had been, because what if he didn’t like what he found? Or worse, what if he regretted his choice, and spent the rest of eternity mourning the life he’d never had?
In the end, it wasn’t Loki who got through to him. It was Sylvie taught him that he had to see who he had been, in order to figure out who he was becoming. To find a new purpose. And she helps Loki do the same. She forces him to stop running, look past the short-term goals of surviving minute to minute, and instead identify what he really wants.
And over the course of the series, he grows and evolves to the point where he is ready to accept that the system needs to be replaced with something better—but they need to find a way to do that without sacrificing the people of the TVA or the people of the multiverse. He confronts his fears: that he will not know who he is and where he truly belongs without the people who inspired him to become the best version of himself: Mobius, Sylvie, B15, Ouroboros, Casey, even Victor Timely.
HWR insists that to all Loki has to do is kill one person to save everyone else. But the price of that choice is continuing to exterminate entire realities every time the timeline branches. Acceptable losses. Collateral damage.
But Loki refuses to believe it’s a binary choice; all or nothing. He believes there must be another way, a third option. That becomes his new purpose.
And he tries. He tries so hard. He spends eons trying to find a loophole, and escape plan. He has always been good at escaping. Surviving terrible, painful losses. So, he keeps at it, desperately seeking an answer that will allow him to keep what he has found, without sacrifice. At first, it’s just trying to save this handful of people he loves. It expands to the whole of the TVA. And then, as all of existence is shredded right in front of his eyes, and he witnesses the collapse of reality as he knows it, he realises the stakes are so much higher. That there is so much more at stake.
He learns from Mobius that most purpose is more burden than glory. And that the scar tissue from a lifetime of the pain and loss are what allows you to live with the burden.
He learns from Sylvie, and all his own painful losses, that sometimes it’s okay to destroy something if there’s a hope that you can replace that thing with something better.
So, Loki asks himself the important questions: Who is he? Who is he becoming? What does he want?  What is he willing to sacrifice? And he realises the only answer. He realises where he belongs. He finds his glorious purpose when he sees the big picture. Growth and change are only possible once they are able to remove the filter that was set up to refine all of reality into one single strand. There can be no free will until the loom is destroyed.
So Loki is brave. He crosses the threshold and forces his way, one foot in front of the other, down that long walkway easily the length of his father’s throne room. He uses his power to destroy the loom that is killing the branches, and opens the door to the Citadel at the End of Time. He grasps the dying branches one by one and enchants them just as Sylvie taught him. He uses all that power not to destroy, but to heal them. To pour his power and his life into them, so that they cannot just survive but grow.
He steps off the broken bridge and begins to climb the steps to what is left of HWR’s seat of power. Even as the citadel crumbles around him, he climbs and as he climbs, all the gold gilds the broken chair, creating an echo of his father’s throne, Hliðskjálf. The highest perch in all of creation, with the widest view. As he ascends to his throne and takes his place upon it as God-King of the universe, the last vestiges of the citadel and HWR’s system falls to dust and blows away. And the multiverse is born.
Because Loki did it. He acquired everything he wanted, and he did it himself. Not because it was supposed to happen. But because rewrote the story. He dictated how his story begins. It was always his story.  He chose to write his own destiny, of his own free will. And at the centre of Yggdrasil, he is no longer afraid of being alone, because he is the beating heart of the entire multiverse. He is not alone, and he never will be because he is connected through the branches of the world tree to everyone he cares about.  
Loki becomes who he was always meant to be: The God of Stories.
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mythical-magik · 6 months
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Just my 3am thoughts on loki
(Season 2 Episode 4)
I think Loki will end up back at the beginning of the tva when he was first taken in - I don’t know how else to explain the shot with him in the TVA jumpsuit and collar
I can’t see how the shot of him walking down towards the loom can fit in after that ending we’ve just had since it was left on a cliffhanger as if everything was destroyed.
I always thought he’d get caught by past mobius and that’s how he ended back up in that position again
However by the cuts and scars on his face - makes more sense for him to have just come from Avengers 2012
I don’t even know what to think. Episode 4 didn’t go how I thought it would go at all. It was a good episode but the cliff hanger
I thought it was genuinely going to be Loki to play the hero and sacrifice himself this episode - I may have been getting ready to say goodbye to him
The Lokius moments … my heart.
Miss minutes is still scary and creep af - that’s not changed.
Sad about timely. I laughed out loud not believing what I saw but he didn’t deserve that to happen to him. I was hoping it was going to be loki but there’s always a next time.
Magic back at the TVA … the possibilities.
Protect OB and Casey PLEASE!
‘We are gods’ I think that might foreshadow Sylvie and Loki taking over in the future.
So where’s the jet ski scene? I need cheering up after that episode.
Loki got a round 2 with X-5
Did I mention they got to use their magic in the tva - that was very satisfying.
Someone give b-15 a hug.
Felt like after Sylvie made the comment about mobius not having taken a look at his previous life, he became distance and standoffish towards Loki which I don’t think was fair - Loki was caught in the middle.
I don’t know where to go from the end of that episode.
Loki and Sylvie shouting down the phone.
It was OB on the phone!? Didn’t see that coming
Turns out it was Loki who pruned himself… like how that wrapped around, and Sylvie being VERY confused.
Perhaps that’s where the previous lives come into it. Mobius (or whatever his original name is) goes back to his life, but Loki end up stuck in the tva because someone wants him there?
I’m rambling. It’s 3am. I need sleep.
Im down to have a full blown convo and bounce theories back and forth about what we think is to come since there are only 2, I repeat, 2 episodes left.
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holdontohopelove · 6 months
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I think my biggest issue with the whole thing is that while the Season 2 finale is exceptional, it's only exceptional in the context of Season 2.
Let me explain.
I saw on X last night that people were raving about the finale, calling it the best Marvel work in years, the "Andor" of the MCU. And it was a blockbuster finale especially compared to some of the other studio projects lately.
HOWEVER, it's a good end for Season 2, if it was an anthology. Or if you came into Season 2 without much knowledge of or emotional investment in Season 1. Because Season 2 and Season 1 barely seem like the same show.
The new characters. The time splitting and the multiverse and the overall weirdness of the whole thing. Sylvie basically being a side character. Mobius and Loki being the dynamic duo of the season (Not bashing, just observing). The extra time spent on Timely and Renslayer and Ms. Minutes. Whatever was left hanging in Season 1 stayed hanging in Season 2 as Season 2 went in a totally different direction with totally different vibes. Quite literally, it felt like different branched timelines of the same fucking series.
So with that being said, the finale went perfectly with Season 2. It was, in some ways, exactly what was supposed to happen if you only look at Season 2. Loki saves his friends. Loki completes his "villain to hero" arc. Loki becomes the true god he was always capable of being.
But if you try to connect Season 1 to Season 2, the finale falls short immensely. Because no matter what or how you ship, very little of what went on makes sense in the context of the Sylvie and Loki connection. Yes, he sacrifices his life as it was and could have been for her free will and for her to live her life. Yes, he loves her too much to kill her. But everything else that Season 1 laid down - the nexus event, the "you go, I go", their magic being stronger together, Loki's obvious temptation at the two of them together on the timeline - Season 2 never picks any of it up. With the possible exception of Loki making the final choice so that Sylvie can be "okay" (and this is NOT said, just an inference on my part), none of it really connects.
Yes, he's a hero. Yes, he sacrifices himself for his friends. Yes, he loved Sylvie too much to kill her. Yes, the TVA is revamped and ready for Kang. Yes, Sylvie and Mobius get to live life with free will. But where, where was any of the resolution needed from Season 1? Like so many other people have said, even if EVERYTHING ELSE stayed the same, having Sylvie and Loki have a deeper moment when time was frozen, or a more meaningful goodbye, or ANYTHING that addressed the connection from Season 1 would have bridged the seasons. And truthfully, I think the strongest bridge between the seasons would have been if Sylvie chose in that moment of her own free will to stay with him. How do you spent one season building up these two characters as being so deeply connected and then basically have them never address that connection in the next season?
Separately, each season is amazing. But to try to put them together as one cohesive, satisfying series doesn't work at all.
Is it just me here? (No hate, please, I come in peace).
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bigbootychuuya420 · 6 months
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Loki season 2 episode 6 kicked. My. Ass.
Spoilers below the cut;
I have never burst into tears like that before, it was during loki taking all the multiverse threads or whatever and just waltzing his way on up that I just started bawling my eyes out. I didn’t even know what I was feeling, tears just started falling down my cheeks as I was just blown away. I found this episode was amazing, the pace awesome, the way Loki was owning his shit and doing everything to keep everyone safe awesome, the music and just everything technical that went into this episode, a w e s o m e.
The way they showed his delemma and his struggle coming to terms what he had to do, it was either let everyone he cared about and the entire multiverse die, or killing one of the only people he has ever felt a connection to in his life (cause while I don’t like the selfcest I do like how they were able to truly understand one another). Him going back to Mobius and asking him how to take comfort in killing and being told “there is no comfort, you just gotta chose which burden to carry” and so he choses the hardest option; sacrificing himself so that everyone he loves lives and is able to live the lives they want with nothing holding them back (and a nice bonus being everyone in the multiverse gets freedom, but we know WHO he was doing it for) but giving into his greatest fear of being alone. He chose the struggle of having to stay behind and keep everything in order so that the people he loves gets a chance while damning himself to a literal eternity alone. Cause idk about you but I don’t think anyone’s getting to him any time soon, idek where HE is. The old “he who remains” spot probably? But that’s a huge ass tree man Idk…Also the music, tension, lighting and just everything with that scene felt so powerful and made me really feel like “oh shit this is it??”
And the way his sacrifice SHOWED AFTER!? The change from the mechanical vibes of everything just doing what needs to be done, the path always being paved, no freedom into a living breathing thing where it’s shown that Loki has made it so the mindset is to help the multiverse grow and to nourish it. It was beautiful, and just the change from the war room having like what 3 ppl? With one being stuck in the last, one asleep, and the one who actually was like yeah let’s move forward with fuckin freedom?? To a whole ass room of people being busy and showing to actually out in effort to make this work and allowing there to be freedom and no genocides (is that the right word?) happening just because someone stepped on the wrong leaf. After season 1 being filled with this oppressing air of a bureaucracy, there being an almighty and those who carry out their every whim without questions, it was so refreshing to see that there’s actual life to it now. All because of my BABY 😭😭
And then there’s Mobius’s scene, where after the entire season, if not the entire series, of him saying that he’s okay with what he has and how he just wants to focus on the now, to the how he’s scared he’ll see something good and have the temptation to go and try to live it for himself, he finally lets go. After Loki’s gone (ig there’s still gonna be a jet ski unused 😔😔), he’s just shown waiting around, finally ready to see his life on the time line and finally take his life fully into his hands. The MUSIC!! THE LIGHTING!! THE SOUND!! All of it was like a punch to the gut cause he just was gonna stand there and let time pass, im gonna sob my fucking eyes out AGAIN!! He finally is just able to live and breath, take his time looking at what he was protecting without the constant stress of the job waging on him, finally at peace after like 500+ years!!! And omg, his story about how he used to be a hunter but was too scared of killing a kid even though they were gonna be the cause of 5000 deaths was so beautifully done, I just felt like it reinforced how he was always the outliner of the TVA, his wake up moment after probably centuries of just doing his job. God he is just so JAMSKDNALS Y!KMKW!? LOVE THAT GUY!!
I also just loved all the characters this season, everyone felt so charming and I loved everyone. Tho I still have a love/hate relationship with sylvie, but after rewatching s1 im leaning more to the love side. Cause she just sticks to her ideals and she’s like traumatized so can I really say anything? She’s cool af, bad ass for sure!! And I’VE LOVED LOKI FROM THE START, 2012 (DIDNT WATCH THE THOR MOVIES) - TO NOW BBY!! Tho after seeing some edits I think ima watch them all, apparently they’re like, hidden gems. Or only some ppl like em ig?? Anyways, no one’s probably gonna read this cause it’s just a recap of well, everything rather then an actual me feeling shit, but if you made this far thanks!! Have a wonderful day!! Or night!!
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marveliciousloki · 6 months
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Loki S2 Episode Rant/Analysis
Spoiler ahead, obviously and bear with me I'm not gonna be objective and calm because I am not jokingly not okay.
The beginning is really funny. I was giggling the whole time loop sequence because Tom made it really funny and was super giddy seeing him to wacky things to do things differently.
That lasted until the Loki takes centuries to learn all OB (and I assume Victor) know about science joke. Immediately recalled He Who Remains line of "I'm much older than you think" line and knew this was gonna be a rocky path.
Although I admit seeing Loki being all in control and time science-y while the others were like "htf u know that? "was absolutely delightful, Tom was great acting all that and everyone was too.
Honestly it's super nice to see Loki so overpoweringly... Well, powerful.
And his smile when he thinks they did it? Gosh, Tom Hiddleston is gorgeous.
But of course it couldn't be that simple.
Loki going back to the Citadel and the whole battle loop was heartbreaking because whether you ship Loki and Sylvie or not, he cares about her. He doesn't want to hurt her or even think killing her is the only way. My stomach hurt the entire time. And also I hate HWR even more, but he has a point, it's better one timeline than no timelines.
I gotta say the talk with Mobius was really deep and I appreciated that Loki saw right through him and new that had been him and I felt bad for Ravonna, she's confused, angry, and rightfully resentful at HWR and the TVA, I thought they'd fix it with her, but I guess not.
His talk with Sylvie was very interesting, how he didn't ask her for permission, he asked for advice and to clear his mind. In the end he went to hear out the opinion of the two people most important to him right now. And it was really interesting to hear Sylvie didn't went for self sacrifice given she's too hurt and tired and wants to live. And how she values trying to always find a different solution.
But you know who's infamous for self sacrificing in the most self destructive way? That's right. Loki Odinson, being in the TVA didn't change that I guess.
I genuinely felt nauseous when I saw his clothes starting to decay thinking he had gone bonkers and just went to end it all. The design was really interesting, I didn't like the shoes, the cloak was interesting but I really liked the obsidian horned helmet. I waited 12 episodes Loki for horns.
But at what cost?
Loki's always hated being alone. Literally since 2011 all his actions are pleas for attention and/help. This show had two scenes explicitly dedicated to explain how Loki can't stand being alone.
And he goes to isolate so all his friends get their happy ending.
Trying to be logical, it makes sense since it goes with the topic of the show. Free will is good, but it comes with consequences. And Loki made the choice to sacrifice for EVERYONE everywhere (all at once, heh...). Just as he thought making himself be a killer to get rid what he thought was a threat to Asgard and Odin. Just as he was ready die protecting Jane against the Dark Elves (twice), just as he took rules in silence to make Asgard not Thanos' target.And passing as Odin wasn't happiness, it was Mischief and based on his actions, fear (since he sent the Aether to The Collector so Thanos wouldn't target Asgard), just like when he literally died protecting his brother, or got hurt over and over to try protecting both Sylvie and the TVA.
I admit the walking up the stairs is every emotional, and the tree of timelines is beautiful and a nice reference to Ygdrassil. Consider me impressed there.
I'm so tired of Loki not being allowed a happy ending. We had Ragnarok but that lasted not even the full trip to Earth. . And all for what? For him to be fully isolated for the sake of everyone else. And my biggest source of anger no one seems to care beyond a lighthearted comment? Fuck off.
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qwanderer · 6 months
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OK I did it I watched the Loki S2 finale! Loved it and the season as a whole! My optimism about how S1 could be made to pay off really proved fully justified.
There were a lot of emotional dynamics present in S1 that I pulled out and extrapolated in my fics that were then very much confirmed in s2 (albeit with a totally different plot). I thought they were what made sense and happily the writers agreed!
For example: it makes total sense for Sylvie's greatest needs after S1 to be stability and continuity, and for Agent Loki's greatest needs to be to prove himself as a hero and to do his best for his friends, and given the way it's set up it makes sense for that to involve a fresh start with a new incarnation of the TVA. That logically led me to conclude that they would choose different paths, but I hoped they would remain friends and I think this counts.
I also thought I perceived some UST between Loki and Mobius but wrote it as staying unresolved, for a lot of reasons given their personalities and how the two of them started out in their partnership. The show writers chose the same.
I also think O.B. and his lab and the team that came together to fix the loom really serve a lot of the same purposes in the show as Stark Fortress did in my fic, a place to come back to to fiddle with the technicalities involved in saving the multiverse. (Although that does in fact make it even creepier that O.B. sounds so much like Obie.)
Okay I want to talk a little bit about S2E4 and S2E5 and how I felt watching them! How I understood the plot and what it led me to expect.
The moment Victor Timely walked down those stairs I was like "No! This makes no sense! This is not going to work! Obviously Loki should be the person going out there! You put a human out there with the Loom and they die from being blasted with Time Waves or whatever! They age! You put Loki out there and the worst thing that happens to him is he has to be played by Richard E. Grant!"
So of course I was not all that shocked when Timely died, but it was something of a jumpscare. I appreciated the execution.
Then when Loki was collecting all his friends from their various branches, and that included Sylvie, I was like, this makes no sense as a way to regain a moment in time, because either one of two things is true:
1) any variant of a person will have the same vibration [because these are the versions of his friends that are just hanging around on the timeline, they have no memory of the TVA and are effectively just variants of the people Loki knows] and therefore Loki doesn't actually need Sylvie here because for these purposes they are the Same Damn Person!
2) this isn't going to work because he needs the specific version of these people that remember working at the TVA with him!
so catch me yelling at the screen "You are the same damn person!"
and then Loki goes "it's about the who" and I'm like "Oh okay damn so it's about Loki having Emotions I guess it does make sense!" A Loki's magic really seems to be driven by what they need it to be in the moment and Loki needs his friends. These are the closest versions. It works.
So then the finale. Wow.
I love time loop stories with Loki in them, I have at least a couple of those in my AO3 bookmarks. I saw it coming in the best way, said to the screen like "ooh get ready, it's time loop time!"
Centuries later and he knows so much weird comic book physics (catch me giggling about what a setup for frostiron THAT is)
and Timely is dying a thousand deaths and then he doesn't die and I'm like... hmm...
and then they hit us with TIME LOOP TAKE 2: DOUBLE THE LOKI DOUBLE THE TIME LOOP and he has to fight Sylvie so many times and it's so great and so SAD
and then Loki goes down the stairs and I am straight up like YES WHAT DID I TELL YOU I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR TWO WHOLE EPISODES
And we get alllllllll the power we've been wanting to see. And we get the AoA GoS transformation, sacrifice, holding the cosmos in trust like a bauble.
And I'm watching sad Mobius in the aftermath, and I'm like "aww your girlfriend turned into the moon... that's rough buddy"
(seriously very Princess Yue of you, Loki)
Anyway
Yeah it's good.
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hansoeii · 7 months
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genuinely how is lokius queerbaiting?
Basically, season one was already queerbaiting but not because of Lokius. They teased the whole Loki coming out thing as something so grand when it was just a quick "a bit of both" that you could've easily missed if you looked away for a second and then never mentioned it again. Also, don't get me started on the way they "dealt with" Loki's genderfluidity because that was just horrendous.
But getting to the Lokius bit: In season one, they establish that Loki is, in fact, queer in the MCU as well and can fall for a male character. Now, the ship between him and Mobius becomes incredibly popular in the fandom since their storyline and chemistry are just beautiful. Lots of fanart and fanfictions come out of it that the creators are aware of. Even a song on the soundtrack is called "Lokius".
So now, if they didn't plan on making Loki and Mobius a real thing, why was episode one of season two the way it is? The way those two acted around each other was far from platonic. They could've easily had them act like good ol' buddies, but instead we get Mobius holding Loki every second he can, Mobius being ready to sacrifice himself for Loki, Loki then almost confessing, plus even the trope where they accidentally fall on top of each other and linger there for a second longer than necessary and that wasn't even everything. And during every single one of those scenes, they played the "Lokius" theme from the soundtrack. A ton of people who weren't convinced of this ship after season one now went "okay wait, you were right all along". Those are blatant romantic tropes. There's nothing platonic about it, and no one can convince me otherwise.
The creators know that people want to see Lokius, so why give us these scenes and ultimately give us hope? There's two options: they're actually going for it or they know that this is what we watch it for and will ultimately go "lmao obviously they're just best buddies you're delusional if you thought otherwise".
So yeah, that's my stand on this whole thing. I've been through the queerbaiting trenches and I'm worried that this show will be added to the list.
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defending Mobius M. Mobius is the hill I’d gladly die on.
**let’s also talk about how Mobius was ready to sacrifice himself to save Loki in episode 4 when Ravonna caught them. when he thought he was going to “die” the first thing he did was stand in front of Loki to shield him from Ravonna
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dreamycloud · 2 years
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Our favorite Mobius M. Mobius, for the character ask game!
Thanks, @cha-melodius for the ask!
First Impression:
For whatever reason, I was not aware that Owen Wilson was going to be in the Loki TV series, so seeing him show up in episode 1 was a big surprise! And he looked so unlike himself it took me entirely too long to realize it was him! But my first impression of Mobius was immediately latching onto him as a favorite character and hoping he wasn’t going to turn out to be a villain. My gosh, it was my One Fear. I do have a soft spot in any fandom for little bureaucrats with their funny suits and dedication to filling out paperwork. So I was doomed to instantly like him anyway.
Impression Now:
Full-blown obsession with Mobius. Probably one of my favorite characters ever—period, full stop. Getting to rewatch the episodes and sink into fan theory and, well, just studying gifs as they crop up, has just been lovely in terms of uncovering more about him. His comic origins are pretty interesting, but I just love how this Mobius is. He’s stubborn and creative and just so incredibly gentle for the type of job he has. I think his softness is my favorite part about him.
Favorite Moment:
My gosh, how can I just choose one???? Okay, to be fair, I have too many favorite moments. If not all of them. Frankly. But I’m going to single out the scene where Mobius returns from the Void and decides it’s a good idea to fight Renslayer in her office. I’m so used to MCU characters knowing how to fight, so I was shocked (and even more charmed by this guy) when he took a swipe at her and she just kind of knocked him over into a table. That was it. End of the fight with Mobius sprawled out, shrugging it off with it “okay fine, I’ll let you leave.” There are so many layers to that—his physical abilities and also his strained friendship with Ravonna—to dissect from such a small scene.
Idea for a Story:
So I’ve written a handful of Lokius fics and I always shout about them on here. And I will definitely be writing more (I have another fandom that I need to dip back into, but I will be back for more Lokius). One story that I’m intending to write centers around Mobius retiring after from the TVA after S1 and settling down in New Asgard, in the hope that Loki would naturally make his way back home after they parted ways. And this would involve Mobius getting to know Thor and crew, and it’s going to be such a fun idea to play with.
Unpopular Opinion:
Okay, so I know everyone loves long-haired Mobius. I would not be opposed to seeing it, especially if it marks the passage of time in which Mobius must be searching the multiverse for Loki. So you know. That’s cool. I’m ready for it. But I actually like and prefer short hair Mobius. I feel like it fits his image of being this strait-laced analyst who wouldn’t want the fuss of having to style his hair any more than he already does. I also love how the look, along with the mustache, transforms Owen from looking like Owen to *being* Mobius, if that makes sense.
Favorite Relationship:
To the surprise of no one, I ship Lokius haha. Love them. Hoping against hope that they get together one day. The dynamic is just so good. Mobius is someone who has seen the very worst of Loki, but also the very best, and a still cares for him in a way that no one clearly ever has up until this point. He encourages Loki to grow and figure himself out. And if we’re talking about sacrifices, Mobius willingly sacrificed himself for Loki. He was just so brave in that moment, stepping in front of Loki, staying calm, knowing that at any moment Ravonna was going to order his death—and he didn’t back down. His unshakable faith that Loki will survive (aka, that conversation he had with Sylvie in the car) is just icing on the cake. He is the order to Loki’s chaos and I can’t wait to see more of it.
Also honorable mention to Mobius and B-15’s friendship. Not sure how close they were before Loki arrived, but they seemed to have a good working relationship that only grew during the events of the show. I’m dying to see them team up going forward, since, you know, both of them have been forever changed by Lokis and will do great things.
Favorite Headcanon:
I’d like to believe that before joining the TVA, Mobius didn’t have a family. No husband/wife or kids. He seems like the kind of character who embraces his alone time. Rolling through life solo would just mean more time for him to pursue his interests (jet skiing!) outside of whatever job he held on his timeline. And you know, he’d also be very available to be swept off his feet by a mischievous god ;)
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grudgecollector · 3 years
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Soft Whisper of the Basket Flower | Chapter 10
Chapter Title: Gladioli
Pairing: Loki Laufeyson / Fem!Reader
Story Summary: You’re an agent of the Time Variance Authority and partner to Mobius .M. Mobius. Your job is simple, help with finding the possible whereabouts of the Loki variant, and don’t get caught in the crossfire.
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Tags/Warnings: swearing, injury and blood, brief angst, canon divergence. 
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Your eyes stayed glued to the open field where Alioth was, the imposing cloud threatening to devour anything and everything. The danger Sylvie was about to put herself in worried you. While you knew how strong her powers were, you knew that if she made one mistake she would die. 
The possibility of that happening made you a lot more scared than you thought it would. She had been fighting for this for years. The opportunity to finally take down the TVA at her fingertips. And you were all too willing to help her take those steps towards her goal. 
You took a deep breath, placing your hand on her shoulder gently squeezing. 
“Okay, so what’s the next move?” Mobius yells over the thunder that roared in the sky, purple lightning striking like a snake in the clouds. 
“The TVA needs to be brought down. We don’t know who created it or where they are, but that thing out there does. When it hit me earlier, I linked to it. It was brief but I caught a glimpse of something, and I think if I can get close enough to it, I can enchant it, and it’s gonna take me to whoever’s behind all of this.” She takes the TemPad she took from Ravonna from her pocket, handing it to Loki. 
He heaved a sigh while looking down at the device, “I’m staying.” He says. 
“Loki, I don’t know if this is gonna work.” Sylvie looks at him.
“You go, I go.” He said, giving her no room to argue. 
Nobody protested. For once Loki was making a selfless act to sacrifice himself for the betterment of other people, he was going to help find the truth and take the TVA down. Your only hope is that it’s not in vain, that they are able to get through. 
Loki hands the TemPad to you. You looked down at his hand, his fingers softly brushing against yours. You slowly backed up from him dropping your hand to your side. 
The device in the hands of the youngest Loki beeped “It’s happening, guys.” He announced “The branch will be right out there.” He pointed to the field. 
“We’ll give your regards to Renslayer.” Mobius yells over the wind as you get the timedoor ready. 
“Oh, please do.” Sylvie says with a smile. 
“You boys want a free ticket out of here?” Mobius asks the other Lokis. 
“What? No. We’re staying here.” The youngest shook his head. 
“This is our home.” The older Loki agrees with a nod, followed by a growl from alligator Loki. 
Loki looked back at his three counterparts and asked “Are sure? What about Alioth?” 
“We’ve survived this long. We know what we’re doing.” 
The child stepped forward “Loki, you’re gonna need this on your journey.” He says, conjuring the same dagger he had used to light the fire. Loki looked at him for a second before finally taking it and conjuring a scabbard on his back. 
“Good luck. I hope you find what you’re looking for.” The oldest Loki encourages. 
Loki smiles nodding at him and you watch as the three Loki’s make their departure. You give them a small wave and open the timedoor for you and Mobius. You look at it, almost scared for what you’ll find on the other side. 
“Looks like you got away in the end.” Mobius says to Loki. 
He nods, tilting his head with a smile “I always do. What will you do at the TVA?” 
“Burn it to the ground.” Mobius says “Thanks for the spark.” 
“Finally, I can see if I actually am a pyromaniac or not.” You joke, “My bets are set on ‘yes’.” You see Sylvie smile and Loki laughed softly. 
“Well, see you later, Loki.” 
Mobius holds his hand out, only for Loki to stare at it for a second, shaking his head and pulling Mobius in for a hug instead. You couldn’t hide the smile that crept up onto your face. 
“Thank you my friend.” Loki says. 
Mobius looks over at Sylvie and jokingly says “You’re my favorite.” 
You looked back out at the field, stepping forward to stand next to Loki after he pulled away from Mobius. You felt Loki’s fingers brush against the back of your hand, ghosting against your skin with the wind. The thunder rumbled above, and with a final sigh you turned towards Loki, placing an arm on his bicep. 
“Whoever’s on the other side of that thing…” You look out at the thunderous cloud “Kick their ass for me, will you?” 
“Oh trust me.” He looks at you with a smirk “They won’t know what hit them.” 
“Good. Stay safe out there.” You say. 
You stepped back from Loki, turning around and placing your hand on Sylvie’s shoulder, giving her a nod and walking through the timedoor with Mobius right behind you. 
Both of you stepped out into Mobius’ office, running a hand through your hair while trying not to think about every single possible horrible scenario of what could happen today. What if it didn’t work? What if instead of defeating whatever evil is behind the TVA you all just make everything worse? What if Loki and Sylvie got eaten by Alioth? You could feel Mobius standing just a little bit behind you, papers rustling over his desk. 
“What are we going to do once this is all over?” You ask quietly “I already feel like I’ve lost my purpose before we’ve even done anything.” The rustling stopped and you could hear the soft steps of Mobius’ shoes against the tiles as he walked closer to you “I know that this isn’t the life I was supposed to have, but since I don’t remember everything from my past. This is all I know.” You look at him, his brows were knit together. 
“Well, there’s always time to figure it out.” He reassures, placing a hand on your shoulder. 
You breathe out a sigh, nodding to yourself “Alright then. Are you ready to break everyone’s reality?” 
“I’ve been ready.” Mobius smiles and chuckles lightly. 
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You and Mobius worked quickly, releasing B-15 from the holding cell in the Time Theater and telling her the plan you had. She was going to go to Earth before Ravonna was taken by the TVA and lead other Minutemen there, showing them the truth of their reality. It would be the easiest and quickest way to do this, distracting everyone else while you and Mobius pursue Ravonna and confront her. 
And here you were again, staring at the hourglass patterns on her office doors while standing behind Mobius. He glances back at you before knocking on the door.
“I said I wasn’t to be disturbed.” She calls from inside. You couldn’t help but roll your eyes at that. 
Mobius opened the door anyway, walking inside “Well you’re not gonna be happy to see us.” Ravonna turned around from where she was standing over her desk, back turned to the door “We’re back.” He whispers. You look around her office curiously and looking at her, you give her a small wave and sarcastic smile. 
“If anyone was ever gonna make it back from The Void, I supposed it was gonna be you two.” She replies, just standing there stiffly. 
“Oh, well, you know, one man’s Void is another man’s piece of cake.” He touches the baton he was holding to his shoulder. 
Ravonna inhales deeply with a smile on her face, “So, you’re gonna prune me?” 
“Yeah… But, you know, my standards might be a little higher in that area than yours. You know, with close personal friends.” He gestures between the both of them. 
“I’m sorry.” She says with a tilt of her head “I couldn't let you get in the way of our mission.” 
“Mission?” He asks “The Time-Keepers are fake. We’re all variants. What mission?” 
“It can’t have been for nothing. That’s why I had to prune you.” She brought her TemPad to her mouth “Hunter D-90 to my office, immediately.” 
You couldn’t help but chuckle at that “Yeah. Sorry, Ravonna. That’s not gonna work out the way you think it is.” You took out the pen you had tucked into your pants pocket. 
She looked at you, her fear evident on her face “What did you do?” 
“Oh you know.” You shrug, dropping the pen on her floor “Found you on Earth.” 
“I think people are ready for a little truth now. You know, like the TVA is a lie.” Mobius says. 
“What if it’s a necessary one? Someone created the Time-Keepers. They created this whole place. They gave us all purpose. I have to believe they had a reason.” 
“No, because I’ve seen the horror waiting for people when they get pruned, and there’s nothing necessary about that.” You nod in agreement. 
Ravonna tried to defend her statement, saying that only chaos and death would follow if the timeline wasn’t pruned like it ‘had to be’. You gave a humorless chuckle, looking at the ceiling for a second before looking down at her. The delusions she had about this place being a good-doing peace keeper were honestly sad. 
“What about free will?” You ask. 
She scoffs, smiling wide as if to mock you “Free will? Only one person gets free will. The one in charge.” She turns around going back to her desk. 
“Don’t you realize how messed up that sounds?” You ask, taking a step towards her “How come some nameless person is allowed to snatch us up from our homes, our lives, and create a so-called purpose for us to fulfill while erasing every bit we have left of ourselves but our faces?” 
“Shut up.” She shakes her head, not looking back at you.
“No. You sent us to die, you were supposed to be a friend to Mobius, and I used to think so highly of you.” You chuckle bitterly “What the hell happened to you? I mean seriously? What makes someone turn down a path like this? So devoted even when the truth is shoved right down your throat.” 
She didn’t budge, still hurriedly packing her briefcase of various files and books “Nothing happened to me. I didn’t change.” 
Mobius was the one to speak up this time “You didn’t change? You betrayed me.” 
“No, no. You betrayed me!” She yelled, pointing right at him “I looked out for you, hung my neck for you, and you both suffer a crisis of faith and turn to those variants?” She spits “Eons of friendship. And you threw it all away on a couple of Lokis. No, Mobius. I didn’t betray you.” She looked at you, “And I used to think so much better of you too, it’s so disappointing seeing you help the enemy. But I can’t say I’m surprised.” 
“Are you kidding me?” You scoff, your fists clench at your sides. 
Mobius walked up behind you, softly placing his hand on your shoulder to calm you down. 
“We can’t take away people’s free will, Ravonna. Can’t you see that?” He tries to reason, rubbing his hand on your back softly. She ignores the both of you, and starts typing on your TemPad instead. “What are you doing?” 
A TimeDoor starts to open “What I need to do.” 
“Wait, stop.” Mobius urges, walking towards her “Look, maybe we can build this into something better together.” 
She scoffs “I’m sorry, Mobius.” 
“I’m not gonna let you go.” He powers up the baton. 
“Oh shit.” You whisper to yourself. Mobius was definitely not a fighter so you were preparing yourself to step in if you had to. 
“Please, Mobius.” Ravonna whispers “Even with that… You’re of no danger to me.” She glances over at you. 
“Is that what you think?” Mobius asks, “Let’s see.” He walks forward, at least trying to prune her. She was easily able to block it though, grabbing the baton and pulling it from his grasp easily. She kicked him to the ground harshly, making him groan in pain. 
You charged her next, kicking her in the side and going to grab the hand that held the baton, but she was faster than you, switching it into her other hand and striking you in the face with the sharp tip on the other side of the baton. Your torso twisted as you fell to the ground face forward, you fell to your knees and caught yourself with your hand. Your cheek pulsed painfully and you could feel warm blood trickling down your chin. You turned to see her aiming the baton at you, daring you to try that again. 
“Your fighting is predictable.” She says, breathing heavily. 
“Yeah? And what does that say about you? Since you’re the one who taught me how to fight.” You spit, glaring up at her “Go ahead. Do it.” 
She stares at you for a second, bringing the baton back to your throat and deactivating it. She looks at Mobius before turning around and grabbing her briefcase, and walking towards the TimeDoor she had spawned. 
“Where are you gonna go?” Mobius asks. 
Ravonna turns her head to look at him “In search of free will.” She says, walking into the TimeDoor. 
You look at Mobius and stand back up, fingers going up to feel your injured cheek, “Fuck.” You hiss, pulling your hand back and seeing the blood coating your fingertips. “I can’t tell if she was mocking us, or if she just suddenly had a change of heart after slashing my face open.” You joke, walking over to Mobius and helping him stand up. 
He moves your face to the side gently so he can get a closer look at your face “We need to get this cleaned up.” He says. 
You nod, looking down at your bloody fingers again. “Yeah, probably. Would hate to bleed out through my face.” You chuckle, giving him a small smile. You both made your way to the door, turning to look at Mobius as you walked down the hall. “We should probably go see how the timeline’s doing too.” 
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Once you were in Mobius’ timeline observance room he began going through the drawers of one of the desks for a first aid kit that other employees usually had tucked inside. A precaution just in case anything happened. You were thankful that he was willing to go through the trouble, knowing you didn’t want to try and do this by yourself. 
If there was one thing to make light of in your current situation, it was that you found an amazing friend in Mobius thanks to the TVA. Not only was he your closest friend, but the man you trusted the most over anyone else. He was a genuine person, a man with a heart of gold and a lot of care to give out even for those he doesn’t know. He’s helpful, reassuring, he listens to you, and respects you.. 
You flinched away when you felt him gently dab the blood away from your wound, the skin around it throbbing from the pain. You couldn’t help but hiss when he accidentally brushed the tender skin with his pinky, his apologies following quickly. It hurt like hell. 
“Do you think this’ll leave a cool scar?” You ask, seeing Mobius shake his head, trying to hide his smile. 
“You need to stop getting yourself hurt. Soon enough you’ll start lookin’ like a mummy with all these bandages.” He chuckles. 
You look over his shoulder to the observing screen that shows the timeline. There were only a couple of minimal branches so far, making you feel a mix of emotions. On one hand you were glad that time wasn’t collapsing in on itself, but on another you were scared that Loki and Sylvie were in danger. 
“You think it’ll work?” You ask, staring at the screen still as the three timelines continue to branch. 
“I can only hope it does.” Mobius replies after a second of silence. 
Just as Mobius was taking the gauze out of its packet Loki walked into the room, he looked around frantically before his eyes landed on you. You stood up from the desk chair you were sitting in and walked up to him quickly, standing in front of him. 
The second of relief was gone when you noticed that his companion was missing “Where’s Sylvie?” You ask, worried evident in your tone “Is she okay?” 
Loki was trying to steady his breathing as he nodded “She’s fine. But we made a terrible mistake.” He says, making your stomach drop a little “We freed the timeline. We found him beyond the storm. A Citadel at the End of Time. He’s terrifying. He planned everything. He’s seen everything. He knows everything. It’s complicated. Okay? But someone is coming. Countless different versions of a very dangerous person. And they’re all set on war. We need to prepare.” Loki rambles frantically. 
“Hey, try to breathe okay?” Mobius says, getting up to stand next to you, carefully reaching forward to touch his arm “We’ll figure this out, but you need to sit down for a second. I need to patch up her cheek. Then when I’m done we can go find Sylvie and figure out our gameplan okay?” He reassures the trickster. 
Loki looks at you, finally noticing your slashed cheek “What happened?” He asked.
“I tried to kick Ravonna’s ass.” You chuckle “It didn’t really go as planned.” 
“Clearly.” He replies, stepping back and letting you go back to the desk chair you were sitting in before he came in. 
While Mobius was patching your wound Loki told you both what happened, the man they met that was so kindly called ‘He Who Remains’, which totally wasn’t oddly creepy. He talked about the man’s charisma, and how good he was at talking. 
He Who Remains knew the answer to everything because he knew exactly what would be said. He had tried to convince both him and Sylvie to take his place, to run the TVA and let it continue how it always has. 
While Loki and Sylvie talked to the man, he had successfully planted a seed of doubt into Sylvie, convincing her that all Loki wanted was a throne and people to rule over. Resulting in a big fight where Sylvie pushed Loki away at the last second, sending him back to the TVA so she could finally kill the man who robbed her of her life. 
Once Mobius was done you all stood, ready to go find Sylvie and bring her back. 
The likeness of her being in a good mindset was low, so you were all bracing yourselves for what was to come. You were all thinking about how you could get back to The Void, coming to the conclusion that the only true way was probably by pruning yourself, but there was no telling if Alioth had taken his place once again or if he was truly gone for good. There were a lot of risks you were planning to take in order to get Sylvie back and safe.
Before you could even set out to look for a baton, a Timedoor opened a few feet in front of you. Sylvie walked through the orange barrier, her eyes red and puffy from crying. She brushed past Loki, who tried to reach out for her, leaving down the hallway to who knows where. Loki looks back at both you and Mobius before turning to follow after her. 
“Should we go after them?” Mobius asks after Loki disappears down the hall. 
You shook your head, “No. We should keep an eye on things here while they talk.” You glance back at the timeline observer.
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laporcupina · 3 years
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I already saw your thoughts on WandaVision, so I was wondering if you’d do an official review of Loki and Falcon and the Winter Soldier if you don’t mind? I really love your reviews of the MCU’s nonsense, so I thought I’d ask lol. 😂
My overall impression of Loki is a qualified “liked it.” I don’t think it stuck the landing, but in a far less frustrating way than the finale of WandaVision and it wasn’t as unremittingly boring as The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and so it was mostly enjoyable.
As I said after the first episode, the series is asking the viewers to do a lot of forgiving right off the bat. We are getting 2012 Loki, fresh off his glorious purpose and appalling body count and before his beginning his path to redemption that he hadn’t quite completed when he was killed by Thanos.* The first episode tries to cram Loki’s Phase 2 and Phase 3 development into a montage and relies on viewers to accept that it might work because of who we know he was when he died. And then it takes that transformation as a given moving forward, returning Loki to the God of (Harmless) Mischief he’d never quite been in MCU canon. The TVA, an entity not known for the quality of their mercy, traps him in a scene of Sif furious because he cut her hair as a prank and not forcing him to relieve the sequence of events that got Frigga killed or even the more benign defeat by the Avengers. Loki is not the antihero of the series – he is the protagonist and either you roll with this or everything that follows doesn’t work.
They try to do the same work on Sylvie a couple of episodes later, sanding the jagged edges off of her bloodthirst and giving her such a traumatic backstory that you cannot help but go “well, yeah, this is how someone would turn out after that” without stopping too hard at “cool motive, still murder.” There’s an almost meta moment in the finale when Kang has to remind Loki and Sylvie – and the audience – that “hey, we’re all villains here” because the spectacular amount of shed blood has been thoroughly washed away. Mobius, the wry realist and moral compass of the story, has shown his affection for both and Classic Loki, existing purely to survive and rejecting low behavior, sacrifices himself for them. They’re not villain-villains, right?
But Sylvie is saved in the end from becoming a Disney+ Princess because it doesn’t work in-canon. She rejects Loki’s love and she not only rejects his calculus of what murdering Kang will do to the multiverse and everyone in it, but she also accuses him of lying about it for selfish reasons that involve betraying her. Sylvie can't do anything else because you don’t emerge from what she did the way she did without the kind of damage that isn’t fixable in a few half-hour episodes and it comes with a heaping dose of self-sabotage. For me, a trauma survivor, it was the truest moment in a show about lies. She wanted happiness with Loki and had worked so hard to get it, had diverted from her goal to get it, but in the end couldn’t hold on to it because so much of her emotional infrastructure is warped or missing. For the first time in a long time, what she wants does not match up with her capacities and she falls into the chasm between. It’s not a kind fate, but it’s a reasonable one. And it’s true to who she was at the start, which is someone who was willing to make the universe burn to take down the TVA without thinking about what it would do to anyone else or what she’d do after.
Loki, meanwhile… The start of the first Thor movie begins with an earnest profession of love from Loki (to Thor.) He means it with all his heart, even as he is about to set in motion the Agardian version of the Trolley Problem: wreck his brother’s life and kill a few Asgardians to prove to Odin that Thor is not ready to be king or have Thor kill lots of Asgardians later demonstrating the same thing? And it goes sideways and then it ends up with Loki throne-hopping because why should he keep trying to improve inferior rulers when he can just do the job himself? Asgard, Midgard, whatever works out. This is where he is in 2012 and the start of the series.
The end of Loki features another earnest profession of love from Loki (to Sylvie) and a different philosophical question with a body count: keep the Devil You Know or unleash the Multiverse and all of the Kang the Conquerors that come with it? And Loki, God of Mischief and promoter of chaos, a man running from his fate both in the sense of his seeing his MCU future and the fate of all Lokis to fail in the end, a man who has seen and been appalled by the ruthlessness of the TVA’s pruning, who has spent the last several episodes among the victims of this cruel oppression… he chooses order over freedom. He joins the Borg rather than fight them. A man who has been so sure of his own genius and ability to outwit, outmove, and outdance any opponent in any situation, chooses tyranny over the chance to make his own way and find his own path alongside the woman he loves. “I do what I want” is another man’s motto. He ended the series off the podium for Best Loki and I’m not sure he beats the alligator now. (Sylvie is best. Classic Loki is second. Kid Loki next. And then maybe the alligator.)
When Mobius and B-15 are given the same choice – the sacred timeline and everything they think they know and believe about themselves and the universe on one side or the unknown chaos of the multiverse on the other – they choose the unknown because it has the chance of freedom. Everyone’s a Loki except the guy with the name.
[This qualifies as less enraging than the end of Wandavision because I feel that Loki is OOC but the morality of the universe isn’t suspended for it. He makes decisions I don’t think he should make, but they don’t deserve a different reaction in-universe than what they got. Wanda did appalling things and was not only not called on it, she was told her reaction to her pain was valid and she was a hero for stopping doing said appalling things.]
I have two questions about the end, one worldbuilding and one meta and they are related.
The worldbuilding one: Loki finds Mobius, who in turn doesn’t know who Loki is and we pan out and see a relief of Kang and understand that Everything Has Changed. But Loki was already back at the TVA when Sylvie killed Original Kang, so he should have changed, too, and not been the only one who remembers the original timeline?
The meta: the Grand Arc purpose of this series was to establish several concepts for future movies, namely to give more structure to the concept of the multiverse and the management of time and timelines than we got in Endgame and Spidey2 and to start to introduce the more cosmic players that will matter in Eternals and beyond. The MCU has been expanding as a universe with each phase and the D+ TV shows are appendixes and supporting material in a way the Netflix and ABC shows absolutely were not because Marvel TV and Marvel Cinematic had a blood feud.
But here’s the actual question: what is the purpose of this for Loki himself? Is he simply the sugar that makes the medicine (worldbuilding) go down or does his new Working For the Man positioning serve a narrative function? Wanda came out of her show fully transformed from an Avenger to part of the Cosmic Gang. Sam came out of his show as Captain America. What does Borg Loki do in Phase Four and beyond?
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* No, I do not count any extended canon retcon from a website that Loki was never That Guy and was under the spell of a gem. It wasn’t in a movie, nobody in the movies acted like it was a thing – he was in an Asgardian prison for his crimes, not given a pass for mental coercion the way Clint was – and it was something they came up with to deal with Tom Hiddleston’s popularity. Loki was That Guy before he encountered the Infinity Stones, which does not mean that he wasn’t also the loving son of Frigga and brother of Thor and child of Asgard. He can be all of these things because we are complicated creatures.
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We're three days from the Loki finale and I’m back to spout more meta and theories about episodes 5 & 6! It’s a long one (again.)
I really enjoyed episode five. People have complained that they felt it didn't do much to move the show forward, but one of the things I've loved most about this show is the time it takes to sit with the characters and learn about their backstory, their feelings. (I'm always a little bugged when critics say that an episode hasn't done enough to move the plot forward, because without adequate character development, why should I care about the plot?) I thought the pacing of it was really well balanced.
….and I have never been so nervous for a finale in my entire life. There’s a lot of reasons.
The first is just the fact that I’ve been waiting for this show for a whole year, and the anticipation and excitement of it literally helped get me through the pandemic--so when those final end credits roll I’m going to be a whole mess no matter what happens. (I really hope the rumors floating around about season two are accurate) I also just feel like it’s somewhat inevitable that this is our final farewell to Tom’s Loki, and like—I’ll never be ready, but especially right now, amidst all the rampant controversy around this show, I’m just not ready to deal with that. I have a *small* modicum of hope that this won't be the case, but it feels unlikely. Anyway, guess I’ll die.
I really want this show to stick the landing, so to say. I loved the last episode, but a lot of the response has been that it felt like a lull in the plot. I want this show to end in a satisfying bang so it can get the credit it deserves.
Also I’m a whole hypocrite eating my words from last week—I’m fully on-board with Loki/Sylvie now (not that I was ever really against it)--I’m not sure why I’m surprised. They’re so adorable and wholesome, and I’m in love with seeing Loki in love. It’s so precious. (Just as a PSA, if you’re not into them that’s chill, and you’re allowed to dislike a ship without trying to justify your opinion by labeling shippers as morally problematic. Selfcest isn’t a real thing, therefore there isn’t a moral high ground to stand on here. Okay? Okay.) Wherever it ultimately leads, their relationship is still a really sweet exploration of them both growing and learning how to love themselves and trust others. Also, them cuddling under a tablecloth is the cutest shit I’ve ever seen with my two eyes.
MY THEORIES:
I love Sylvie so much, SO MUCH — and she is 100% going to stab Loki in the back by the end of the next episode. I don’t think the betrayal is going to stick, and by the end they’ll both be on the same page again, but the conversations on trust have been way too one-sided for my comfort. If nothing else she's going to seriously consider it. Here’s one way I can see that going. Spoiler alert: it hurts.
Sylvie betrays Loki at one point—and we see Loki’s growth and arc come full circle as, even after being betrayed by the person he hinged his entire development around, he still believes in doing the right thing, in saving her regardless. It ends in a heart-wrenching self-sacrifice of some kind, and his actions serve as the catalyst for her full development as well. We keep seeing different versions of Loki die for their ‘glorious purpose’, just like how Classic Loki shouts the phrase as he was consumed by Aloith (RIP King, I love you).
Loki has already called Sylvie his glorious purpose (or inferred it). There’s been backlash around him saying that, but the way I see it, it’s less “I’m obsessed with this girl she’s my purpose now” and more “I believe that she’s the best version of us and I’m going to make it my purpose to help her succeed and be what the rest of us aren’t”. That’s why seeing all the other variant Loki’s at their worst in the Loki clubhouse (? what do I call this lol) only fuels him more to find her. I think about what Mobius told him: “You exist to cause pain and suffering and death, all so others can achieve the best versions of themselves”. I don’t think Loki truly believes he can be the best version of Loki — I think he saw Sylvie and thought, "it's her". He’s decided he’s going to help her achieve the best version of herself, but he'll do it giving her love and trust and devotion, rather than through betrayal, pain and suffering. He’s re-writing his pre-determined role, in his own small way. I’m so proud of him.
So who’s behind it all and what’s truly going on here? (This isn’t really one theory, more like a string of possibilities and I don’t really know how they’d fit together.)
I still think it’s another version of Loki. And if it is, I can’t help but appreciate the connections between his position dictating the end of time in the show in relation to Loki’s role in the Norse myths, where he’s the catalyst for the destruction of all things. It feels relevant, considering the whole idea that ‘the end of time hasn’t been written yet’ has come up twice now. That would be a fascinating tie-in to the mythology. (Also—Alioth looks like a giant dog. And Fenrir’s role in Ragnarok was devouring the world—I realize this is a reach but am I the only person seeing this connection?) The thing I really can’t predict is the motivation. What would cause a Loki to want to prevent Loki’s from changing? Was there something that happened in the sacred timeline this Loki is trying to preserve? (I also like the idea of us maybe seeing another version of Sylvie behind it all, but I’m just going to leave that rabbit hole alone. )
But here’s the theory I can’t stop thinking about. There’s a theory floating around tik tok (by user twelvepercentcredit) saying the ‘castle’ we see beyond Alioth looks like a place called the House of Ideas, something that appeared in a (discontinued?) Loki comic. Here’s the wiki page on it. Just looking at the imagery of this compared to the location we’re seeing in the trailers, it’s too similar to be a coincidence. The huge bookshelves, the towering ceilings.
Here’s a description from the wiki:
“The House of Ideas is also home to a library which archives the exploits of every hero who has ever existed in the form of books, written unconsciously by the collective minds of their believers. This collection is curated by Now and Then, two of the children of Eternity. Now and Then routinely seek out heroes to bring into the House of Ideas to bargain with them and give their collections more pages, therefore more time for adventures and exploits. “
And later on the page on how Loki ties in:
“Heeding the desire in Loki's heart to do more with his life, Now and Then approached Loki and brought him to the House of Ideas,[5] where they struck up with him the deal to give more pages to his collection of exploits, rewriting the Books of Loki with a hero's stories in exchange for an eventual hero's death.”
Are they gonna play with the exact happenings of this? I don't know, but it sounds pretty cool!
It would be gutsy to go this route with the show given how meta it is, but I love the idea of it. Would they put characters that embody the abstract ideas of “Eternity” “Now & Then” into the show in the last episode? I’m not sure. Something I could see as a possibility though is an alternate version of Loki having overthrown whoever was previously guarding the timeline, and Loki and Sylvie will have to take them down in turn, thus ‘releasing’ the multiverse to its default, chaotic state.
What if our Loki’s ultimate destiny, ultimate Glorious Purpose, is to release the timelines--restoring all the variants back to their original timelines--and remain in this place for eternity, guarding the timeline and ensuring the multiverse is allowed to exist in its natural state? It seems a pretty fitting role for the God of Chaos. It would also explain why whoever’s behind the TVA would be so desperate to eliminate all variant Loki, if that was his ultimate destiny.
It would be an effective way to remove Hiddleston’s Loki from the movie-verse without killing him, AND place both Sylvie and any other Loki variants back in the the main timeline for use in future films—which we know has to happen somehow, because Young Avengers is definitely happening, and Kid Loki has got to get out of the void somehow.
And yea, this outcome would hurt like a bitch. Because even though that would truly be a lovely glorious purpose for our Loki, he’d be alone. And the whole point of this show is that he doesn’t have to be alone! It would be a very poetic sacrifice for him to take on the burden of watching over the timelines alone for all eternity so that his other variants could be the best versions of themselves, but I really just want him to be happy. I will be crying my eyes out if this happens. I’ll be proud but I won’t be okay.
And this all is probably speculative nonsense and could go off in an entirely different direction. Who knows. All in all, I just really want to see Loki fully believe in himself and his ability, to truly absorb what he said about being stronger than he realizes, and to take control of his destiny.
WHAT I WANT (NEED) FROM EPISODE 6:
Let Hunter B-15 and Mobius team up to burn the place to the ground. She was nerfed in the time-keeper fight, I want to see B-15 kick some ass.
I kind of want Ravonna to escape and be a character that carries over into the films for her tie-ins with Kang? I want to see more of her.
Give Loki a new badass costume. I’m begging. If he’s gonna go down, he deserves to go down in something other than khakis.
And then I want to see him and Sylvie fighting side by side in matching outfits.
I want a Mobius-level hug between them. Or a kiss. Or both. But I want the hug more. And you know what? I want her to initiate the hug or kiss or whatever it is because I want Loki to experience receiving love and affection from others as much as giving it. He deserves it ok??
I expect Mobius on a jet ski in the post credits and if I don’t get it I riot
@marvel these are my demands.
As always, if you've made it this far I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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