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aroacesafeplaceforall · 6 months
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My "problematic" opinion according to some randos on Tumblr is that 90% of discourse within the LGBTQIA community would be solved if we did the bare minimum of reading up on LGBTQIA history.
Yes, bisexuals were actually always a part of the community even though they can sometimes pass as straight. Yes, trans people actually existed and were a part of the struggle since day one. Yes, nonbinary people actually existed too. Yes, asexuality actually existed before the internet. Yes, kink is actually a real subculture that has existed within the community since the beginning. And unfortunately, yes, there have actually been (and still are) issues such as lesbophobia, biphobia, and transphobia within LGBTQIA spaces and it's important to be aware of it even if it's uncomfortable to talk about.
THANK YOU!! amazing opinion Anon! Stay safe and remember you are always valid <3
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Something no one really talks about is that trans/cis can itself be a limiting binary, as there absolutely are people who definitely straddle the line between the two categories.
( I’m not referring to enbies in general, though there are surely some who WOULD identify with the conception of being neither really “cis” or “trans”)
The best term I’ve found for this is
“cisn’t”
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golden-haired-native · 4 months
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To adress this recent discourse I saw
Cishet Aromantic men ARE LGBT!
No other way around it, they are queer and if you disagree go fuck yourself
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bli-o · 9 months
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ok but the “lgbtq groomers are indoctrinating children” narrative is so strange to me cuz like. i had it hammered into my head so hard that i was a girl that i thought i was, as a uterus haver, obligated to have my ear impaled at eight years old. I was so conditioned into heteronormativity that i thought my only choice in life was to grow up, marry a cisgender christian man, and have his babies. Like the adults in my life practically shipped me with this guy friend i had when i was like 6 to the point where i thought we had to date when we got older. you know who’s never made me feel anything like that? queer people. when conservatives say “indoctrinating” they mean “inspiring dissent that could disrupt the status quo we’ve forced upon everyone”
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I admit I don't really have the perspective to see why engaging with terfs on the internet is a bad thing, or why "[people I don't like] dni" is a reasonable thing to put in your bio. Like I'm pretty terminally online. I engage with people on the internet regularly on all kinds of subjects, and it's not like I've never run into a person who can't be reasoned with, or never heard the horror stories of people doxxing other people and shit. In fact that kept me quiet on here for a long, long time because I was worried about it happening to me. But like, here's the thing(s):
Ignoring the problem doesn't just magically cause it to go away. Terfs exist, and part of fighting for lgbt rights is convincing those people that you're not insane for being lgbt. I'm not saying lgbt people are insane, but the fact that the opposition believes lgbt people are insane means they have to be convinced otherwise. And besides, if you take the time to understand where they're coming from, you might even find that they do in fact have an explanation. And once you get there, you can start to convince them otherwise
That whole thing where I kept my silence on here because I was afraid of the repercussions? That wasn't the terfs. It was the pro-lgbt groups, the tumblrinas and sjws, who made me the most afraid to speak, and it was because of what is now the nature of this blog, because my misgivings were and are about the philosophy of being trans, because while the terfs will shout their rhetoric at anybody who will listen, the lgbt people will shut up and hide, or worse, attack the new recruits. I've said it before, I'll say it again, but if the lgbt people are performing the oppressive actions while the terfs are accepting the disaffected with open arms, then the flow of new recruits goes in the direction of the terfs. And then we get things like the election of Trump happening.
If you're fighting for lgbt rights, then you have to be willing to talk to, and even understand, the opposition. Because the alternative is losing.
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arodabi · 4 months
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I think a lot of alloros fundamentally misunderstand how being aro actually feels
I don’t go about my day as a hetro person who just happens to opt out of romance when it pops up
I’ve known i was different since before i even knew different was something i could be. Since i was like 12 or 13 I’ve known somehow what i was feeling was off compared to everyone around me. Growing up like that was fundamentally a queer experience for me, even if i wasn’t trans. In fact, i feel like my experiences being aro tie me closer to being queer than even my gender. While i can’t relate to everything in them, other queer coming of age stories do mirror my own aro coming of age. So to say that an aro person, regardless of their other identities, can’t be queer is just baffling to me.
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intersexability · 3 months
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Here’s your friendly reminder that AFAB and AMAB are meaningless and obsolete terms!
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willows-woes · 6 months
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"cringe culture is dead" okay then what's your opinion on xenogenders. neopronouns. furries, both sexual and nonsexual. alterhumans.
do you support them, too? they're not hurting anyone. they're just enjoying themselves. but do you support them?
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aroacesafeplaceforall · 2 months
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Reddit has decided a few things about me
1- I have to be the OP that posted the post (wtf? No?? I don’t think you can even do that) (feeling slightly sorry for the real OP rn)
2- I’m chronically online… (not 100% true but like they say this because I have an opinion on the internet)
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Oh and 3- I’m a hypocrite because quote “straight people are shipped all the time but you don’t have an issue with it”
Oh and the amount of aphobia is INSANE like don’t nt go to this pot it’s INSANE
Like there people saying aspec is queer, how it’s closer to a mental illness, how they’re attention seeking ect ect
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hussyknee · 9 months
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One thing you have to remember is that online queer discourse doesn't make a damn bit of difference to systemic queerphobia irl or LGBT rights. No amount of playing respectability politics by identifying the "real freaks" will ever lead to sexual emancipation or prevent sexual violence. No amount of trying to identify and cast out "oppressors" and "infiltrators" will ever make homophobes and transphobes respect the sanctity of your sexual identity. Not letting people have words and flags and colours is absolutely nothing except a weapon for online harrassment and clout-chasing wielded by white and Western weirdos who've drunk the colonizer Kool-Aid.
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convolutedblasphemy · 2 months
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Okay we're gonna try and settle this
Because I've seen so many people try and speak for the entirety of the ace community in regards to this discourse, I thought why not make a poll just to gauge out the general opinion
Disclaimer: This poll might not turn out entirely accurate given that there's always a possibility some people won't answer truthfully or throw this poll into an echo chamber with people who agree with them.
Disclaimer 2: I'm leaving reblogs open because I want the poll to reach more people but please for the love of god don't start a fight in the notes.
About Option 3: The distinction here is that you're fine with people portraying an asexual / aromantic character as anywhere on the ace / aro spectrum as long as they actually put in the effort to portray a sex-favorable ace or a romance-favorable ace and their experiences as opposed to just making the character allo.
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plague-and-creatures · 3 months
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Anyone LGBT+ who censors queer is most likely exclusionist and will have the shittiest fucking opinions on queerness
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lemon-penguinn · 3 months
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I'm nonbinary. People, in general, do not tend to see me as a trans person, even though I identify as one.
Everyone usually thinks of me as a girl. A cis girl who has decided to pass herself off as a nonbinary person, or a trans boy, simply because she thinks it's "trendy". A cis girl who wants to be part of a community because she feels lonely. And that's because, by many people's standards, I just "don't look trans", whatever that means. I guess it's simply because my gender expression is not rigid. It changes.
Deep down, I feel like a stereotype: a teenager with a female body who claims to be a boy but occasionally wears dresses and skirts comfortably. In the eyes of others, perhaps, I am nothing more than a cis girl infiltrating trans spaces. I'll be honest: I've cried over this very situation many times, because, what am I to do about it?
Do I have to change and stick to the gender role that is expected of someone like me? Do I really have to change the way I show myself just because I'm not a girl, but I also don't perceive myself fully as a boy?
I think that's ridiculous.
In the end, saying that "if you are nonbinary you have to be androgynous" is something that perpetuates stereotypes and gender roles. It's like telling a trans girl that, to be a real girl, she has to wear a skirt - it makes no sense. Do all girls only ever wear skirts and dresses? Do all boys only ever wear black, loose tank tops?
Of course they don't.
My expression, my tastes, my clothes, my voice, and the way I act do NOT determine my gender identity at all, just like my private parts. Because I believe that gender is a part of us. Not a part of our body, our clothes or our personality. It's true, though, that our gender identity can influence those other things. I think that's why certain actions or concepts make us dysphoric or euphoric: because our gender influences whether we perceive positively or negatively those things that affect us.
But, until the day most of society can understand that gender isn't a rigid set of rules, nonbinary people will remain generally perceived as no more than "girls who want attention" (if we live in a female body) and "weird boys" (if we live in a male body). We do not exist. Breaking out of binarism is seen as a phase that will end once we grow up. Because, apparently, many people think that being nonbinary is something that doesn't exist in the adult world.
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textk4kira · 3 months
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I've noticed a trend behind the use of the label "transsexual" vs. "transgender".
Oftentimes transmedicalists use transsexual to differentiate themselves from the rest of the trans community.
It's disheartening and quick frankly, appaling.
You will not achieve acceptance in a cisheteronormative society by distancing yourselves from the "bad" or "confusing" trans folks.
Transsexual is a wonderful label, and we cannot allow transmedicalists to take ownership of it.
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Summary of my relationship with being trans, I guess?
So my friend came out to me today. Utterly unexpected - I’ve known this guy since like fifth grade and known her to be just as much of a nerd as me if not more, but never really thought of her as a woman. It’s also wild to me because as far as I can tell she speedran the whole experience and skipped straight past the part I’m stuck at. Like I’ve had a list of things that make me wish I were a woman since before I knew what being trans was. I’ve mistaken jealousy for sexual attraction so many times that I’ve figured out what it actually is and come to terms with it. I regularly crossdress(?) and purchase women’s clothes whenever I’m online shopping, and I’ve hated guys’ fashion for years and years. I’ve even recognized gender weirdness within myself (I first thought of myself as genderfluid sometime in college - after reading EGS, of course - and decided I was probably just a trans woman sometime after). And yet, she’s over there certain about being trans and I’m over here creating side blogs to explore the idea.
Why? Well partly out of duty. I have a family that cares about family and I care about them and about family as well. And well, you can’t have kids if you become sterile from taking estrogen. (Yes I know, you can freeze your sperm or whatever. It’s a matter of doing it right, not just doing it. I’ve got my conservative facets, we all do. And that leaves you with a limited supply anyway.) I’ve never really “thought of” myself as trans either, perhaps as a result of the above. I’ve been more on the side of being “happy with what you have to be happy with”, to quote King Crimson, and viewed myself as the person that I am with some inclinations towards being a woman. It doesn’t quite feel real, you know? And that leads to questions of, not quite “are trans people faking it”, but rather, “are we all just playing pretend”. Which is hard to disprove! The “You will never be a woman” comment hits hard because it’s true! Good luck getting the full biology of a woman. Male puberty is irreversible. Sex changes reduce sexual pleasure. Top surgeries (not relevant to me, but relevant to some) leave massive chest scars. And nobody has ever been able to have children after a sex change. You can’t maintain a desire to continue the human race while also deciding to become incapable of doing so. Like with all of that in mind, are we really going to say that we’re not just playing pretend?
So I get a little bit terfy. I don’t understand the path, so I’m not sure if I want to walk it, and I hesitate. And the community doesn’t help either. They do all kinds of things I don’t like, such as:
Saying gender is meaningless or can mean anything you want it to, and then asking hence-meaningless questions like “what do you identify as”;
Stupid terminology issues, like calling everyone transgender even if it’s their sex they want to change because “oh well the transphobes use the word transsexual so we’re just gonna let them have it”;
Claiming that trans people’s right to transition is justified by dysphoria, when it is painfully obvious that nobody is interested in restricting transition to just the dysphoric people (and if they were of course I would be effectively excluded; I’m much less interested in not being a man than I am interested in being a woman);
Being straight up misandristic, cisphobic, straightphobic, the whole shebang, and then claiming that it is literally impossible to be these things because “but they aren’t oppressed like we are”;
Refusing to interact with people they disagree with, as if the issues people have with the lgbtqia community aren’t just misunderstandings that can be worked out through discussion; and
As above, losing their ability to exist as a community (by definition; trans people can’t reproduce and gay people refuse to) and hence being 100% dependent on the good will of the straights they so clearly hate.
The fourth and fifth ones are especially infuriating because it actually leaves me feeling ostracized despite being a trans woman. Despite how much I’ve considered it I’m still questioning, and I still express myself as male. I still walk around acting like a straight cis white man all the time. And hearing “hey this thing you express yourself as is evil and sucks” from the community that’s supposed to be objectively the best about acceptance and tolerance... it kinda sucks. It’s like “oh ok, so this group would accept me, but only if I transition”, like my acceptance is contingent upon being one of them. Contrarian that I am, it makes me less willing to transition. It makes me less willing to involve myself in that culture and identity. And what’s worse is that at that point the people who are willing to talk to me are the terfs. And that’s how people get recruited - by being driven away by the exclusionary nature of the lgbtqia community and straight into the open arms of the terfs and (since that’s a pipeline on TikTok) the Nazis. And I can’t accept that a community that behaves like that is one that I “should” be part of. It’s kinda disgusting honestly
So the community is irritating to me, and it’s pretty obvious even though nobody talks about it that it only exists at all because straight cis people let it. (Y’all know marriage only recently became about sexual attraction at all, right?) And that made the uncertainty in my feelings that much worse, because though I crossdress(?) regularly, I always get this feeling of “eh” out of it, you know? Like clothes are clothes. I’m kinda big so I don’t fit in every outfit I buy, and while I’ll admit that a) I love the buying of the clothes, and b) I think I actually look pretty good in them (at least the ones that fit me), the only feeling I really get from them is “this doesn’t really achieve what I wanted”. Well, that and “wow, bra underwires are insanely uncomfortable, the cis girls were right”. But like yeah, it was almost a negative feeling for me. Until this past conversation with my friend, who said that putting on women’s clothes was more dysphoric than anything, because like she will never have the actual woman’s body she wants. And that, I can say I’ve felt. That I can relate to. Despite everything else in this post, and the fact that it’s still a negative experience, it’s nice to know that at least it’s a feeling other trans women have.
In conclusion? As I told my friend, I am all over the fucking place on gender. I get a bit crossdressy(?), I get a bit terfy, I get a bit overthinky, and I get a bit... family-y? Eh. I also get a bit of jealousy, and a bit transvirtual-y. Even as I sit here wondering how the fuck being trans could even be a viable life choice I still do all the things that make me think “hey maybe I am anyways”. I don’t know where I am. But that’s why this blog is here. To say these things and ask questions. And there it is - my summary of my situation. I’m late for work, but at least it’s out there. Thanks for reading, please comment with what thoughts you have.
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rhad-barks · 4 months
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how on earth are we still having aspec and mspec and neopronoun discourse it's almost 2024 do you guys understand that we need to embrace all sides of the queer community or the infighting will get us all killed. do you get that. lawmakers want all of us dead whether we're queers with palatable easy to understand identities or cishet alloaro men or he/him lesbians or genderfluid fagdykes with emojiself pronouns. in a world that's trying to erase us all we have is each other Do You Understand That. please be kind to people with identities you might not understand or agree with because they deserve to live freely as much as you do.
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