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idjitlili · 2 years

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Billy Hargrove x reader

You make me breakout.

Summary: After noticing you with Max, Billy harbours feelings which do not come clear to him until he ends up on your doorstep once again.

Word count:2328

Warnings: Mentions of Neil, language,

A/n: Billy lives au, Max and Billys relationship is improving. Based kinda over how I'm feeling lately.NOT MY IMAGES , also don't question them.

Billy hadn't noticed you at school because you never went to Hawkins high. Your family had moved to Hawkins after highschool had ended. He had noticed you talking his sister, Max on multiple occasions, and the other kids and Steve. He had told himself that was because you worked with Steve. Billy had even went into the video store claming to be looking for Max, funny how he never went in unless he saw you in the store.

When Max had announced to him that her and Robin ( not mentioning the boys for obviously reasons, Billy wouldn't allow it) were staying over at Y/n's house. Not until Billy had questioned who that was did a devilish grin crept up his face.

" Oh, I'll drop you off, don't want to start an argument with Neil. Bullshit and he knew it , she knew it. If she protested Max knew it would be hopeless. Not long after Billy drove to your house. With his music blaring he did love to make an entrance.

When the party excluding Will and Eleven had came to you ,knowing you had the house to yourself, asking if they could have their campaign at your house. Using the word 'asking' was not appropriate it was more like 'We are having our campaign at your house.' Dustin shining you a toothy grin before giving Eddie a wide eye grin almost to say 'see'. Eddie only shook his head in fake disagreement, his hands tucked deep in his jean pockets.

Apparently they couldn't go to Mikes because the plumbing was being fixed and they coouldnt't go to Steve because he had been dragged out of town by his dad. ( Supposedly, big business trip that his dad wanted to convince Steve to join his fathers company. Supposedly from Robin anyways.)

Oh, speaking of Robin yes she was staying over too as to not leave Max out of the party if she didn't want to play D&D which she did not. Figuring you, Robin and Max would just hangout whilst they played and the boys would likely just be going home after the campaign ( or so you hoped, didn't want them to ransack your kitchen in the morning).

The party hadn't arrived before you heard the purring and blaring of rock music traveling down the street. Robin had arrived previously and was sitting on your sofa going on flicking through the tv channels . The music came to an abrupt stop which was followed by the slamming of two doors.

Robins eyes flicked up to yours, where you stood in the door way. " Max." Is all she said before the door was knocked.

Your socked feet turning smoothly on the hardwood floor, making your way towards the door. Your fingers clutching the handle the cold metal against your palm as you unlocked the door. Pulling the wooden door to rest against your shoulder, so that the door was only partly open.

In front of you stood Max smiling slightly, sympathetically almost, as she clutched her sleepover bags, her headphones rested around her neck. Next her stood her brother, it was hard not to hear about Billy Hargrove , more specifically his ass. His hands stuffed deep in his front pockets, chewing the piece of gum with a toothy grin. Flirtatious grin.

"Hi , you must be y/n." Max rolling her eyes because Billy definitely just pushed his hair back with his palm ( Danny Zuko moment for sure,) purposely flexing his muscles. His tank top exposing his chest.

"Yes, and you're Billy." You thought maybe that tone would but him him off deciding not to let him to say more.

"Thanks for dropping Max off." You continued opening the door for Max and shutting it harshly behind her as she scurried in. Billy had scoffed smirking lingering on his face as he stood for a moment before heading for his car, swinging his car keys around his finger as he did.

Knowing Billy wouldn't be too happy with the boys coming over you had decided your harsh actions were necessary to get rid of Billy before the boys arrived shortly. For being roped into having the kids over and Eddie you had a good time. The boys ended up falling asleep at your house because the campaign had lasted longer than intented( well so they insisted).

Maybe that wasn't a good idea as your previous actions were to protect Max from trouble with her brother. The house was so loud in the morning that when you and Robin were clearing the mess from the kitchen, no one heard the door being knocked multiple times. All the blankets and pillows littered the floor could be seen as Billy opened your door ( that's really safe) his boots making contact with flooring .

His eyes darting around the entrance of your house calling out for Max. He saw all the sleeping equipment that was clearly for more than three individuals, seeing the boys arguing with his sister in the middle of it. You were heading into the living room when you almost bumped into Billy.

"O-oh,I didn't hear y-"

"Max said only Robin would be here." From Billy you half expected to go on rampage on how the boys had obviously slept over. Though he was still very unimpressed, feeling small under his harsh glare comparedly to how he looked at you the day before. Your socked feet slippery against the hard wood floor.

Instead he just let out a low chuckle as he looked around thinking for moment his hand against his jaw. Stereotypical hot guy action, looking at you Jensen Ackles. Quickly regaining your posture, staring him dead in the eye.

"They're like fourteen, don't cream your fucking pants they were playing D&D in the dining room whilst Max , Robin and I watched movies and ate pizza. Max and Robin stayed in my room. For the fucking record Steve owes me big."

"Such a filthy mou-"

"I wasn't finished, dickbag. If I hear that you go off at her for this , I swear I'll bite your fucking dick off. "

The gaping hole of his mouth turned to a straight line. The blue danced in his eyes like fireworks, his pupils dilated huge. Both of you unaware of the army of gremins hidden behind the sofa. Billy and you sharing eye contact, Billy unsure what to say, though those thoughts were quickly interrupted.

With fast pace Dustin had ran to the door after hearing several knocks to your door. The sound of Steves voice made both yours and Billy's heads to snap towards the door.

"Where have you been, man?!"

"Well I am so sorry, I'm not working at family video for the rest of my- ew what's he doing here."

"Awe, sweet talking me, Harrington?" Scoffing at Billy, folding his arms weight on one foot more than the other, Steve had look of disgust and disinterest written on his face. For moments only before Robin and Dustin had stolen him away , tug of war pretty much as they both ranted at him. Following behind them in search of Max informing her that her ride is here.

Your encounters with Billy were more frequent after that, very frequent. Not that he was stalking you or anything but he just started taking Max literally everywhere. She didn't have to ask either.

The Billy that everyone had met when he came to Hawkins was different to the person you had come to known. Maybe the change had happened because he had graduated highschool and no longer had portray constant asshole badboy. Though, he had his monents everybody gets that way. Nobodies perfect you live and learn it.

He had quickly used the money from lifeguard job and the current money he was earning from his mechanic job to rent a place to stay. He wanted to go back California to visit where his mum layed to rest, he wanted to move back in honesty. He would tell himself he needed to stay and save more but really he couldn't bare to leave Max with Neil. Worry drowned him that his old man would turn to her now he was gone. Can you imagine the look on Steves face when he pulled into the garage with his car to see Billy?

"Hey, Winchester? Johnnnn? Dad sent me-"

"He's not here, whatcha need?" Seeing Steves face drop made Bilpy laugh as he placed down the rag from his hand wiped his hands on his overalls qnd made his way towards him. Billy would take over the shop often when John was busy with his sons.

Billy rarely went to parties anymore and couldn't go to bars to drink. He found himself lonely which was weird for him , sure he was lonely living with his dad but that was different. He was more isolated. Less and less did he brought women home or in some cases the back of his car. Truthfully he had began to thinking about you a lot, more than a lot. He wouldn't admit he had a crush god no. He hadn't had a crush in years. He always got whoever he wanted , but not you.

More often than not he ended up on your door whether or not if Max was there or needed to be dropped off. Your late night conversations with Billy almost became routine, many reasons caused your perspective of Billy to change. Him asking Max constant what movies did she like, what was the album she had been wanting, giving the kids rides even lucas without trying to kill anyone.

So, when he had turned up at your house again you hadn't needed to think before you had let him in. Sometimes you would go to him but mostly he came to yours. Usually you'd both lay in your bed the glow of the tv the only source of light. Nothing sexual, only company and someone to talk to. Your sleepovers with Billy were more frequent than the ones with Max and sometimes he'd be there too. There was barely any point for Billy to be renting he was barely home.

His knuckles tapping gently against the hardwood of your door, you were waiting for him. Even though you didn't ask for him to come , you had hoped. In a baggy t-shirt you pulled yourself from the sofa, bare feet padding against the floor. Opening the door Billy studied your tear stained face, not mention you looked like you hadn't slept, trembling body.

Pushing you into the house pulling you into a hug, his arms around shoulders as he closed and locked the door behind. Your arms latching around his waist, the smell of smoke and mint engulfing your nose, tears soaking the cotton of his tank. One of his hands gently gently rubbing your back the other holding your head to him.

"Shh, It's alright, i've got you now."

Whether it was anxiety or loneliness maybe a few months ago you definitely would not have believed Billy would take care of anyone like he did you. The fact is he just wanted to loved and thrown away like a piece of gum after being used. He didn't want to sleep with different women each night. You took care of eachother.

Removing his shoes and jeans Billy pulled a pair of joggers from your wardrobe slipping them on. Kneeling on your floor fingers gently placing the video in your Vhs player, screen lighting up.

"Rocky horror? Tired of Indiana Jones?"

"Never," Billy had already gotten in your bed turning of the lamp you climbed in next to him. His arm immediately wrapping around you pulling you closer to him. At the start Billy would sleep on the floor, considering the first time he was blackout drunk and bloody. Then over time you'd talk to eachother about more personal subjects.

His breath on your neck as your eyes stuck to Tim Curry on the screen. "What's bothering my girl?"

Tears long gone since Billy had just held you for an hour. Heat travelling to your face even though he had been using constantly for a month. The kids often discussed whether you were together as Billy was not afraid to use the petname infront of literally everyone with his arm latched around you. He had to be near you or touching you. The kids and Robin betting on how long it would take, Steve outright denying you'd ever be with Billy Yuck.

"Fed up, I guess. I couldn't sleep again."

"I don't get why you don't call me instead of worrying. "

" Figured you were busy." The scoff that came out of his mouth was harshy as he moved his arm from you to grip your hand under the cover interlacing them with yours.

"Bullshit. Look at me." Your eyes still on the tv, not moving until his calloused hand cupped your jaw causing you to lock eyes with his. The light from the tv illuminating his features.

" Y/n, I care about you...fuck, I think I love you. You matter to me above everything, you're the only one that I can come to. " both yours and Billy's eyes widening after his words but he had continued nevertheless. You believed his words maybe that was stupid. Glancing at his lips briefly before pressing your lips against his soft ones , a tiny peck which still caused Billys mouth to open slightly in shock.

"I love you too, Billy."

Another night falling asleep next to Billy and waking under confined with his arm around you, breath on your exposed neck.

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seemebaremyteethforyou · 1 year

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LIAM WEEK DAY #1: EMOTIONS

"There's so much more to you than you know, not just pain and anger. There's good in you too, and you can harness all that. You have a power that no one can match."

- Professor Charles Xavier, 'X-Men: First Class,' 2011.

HELLOOOOO EVERYONE !! THERE'S NO BETTER WAY TO START THE YEAR THAN WITH LIAM APPRECIATION WEEK 2023. THANK YOU SO SO MUCH TO @liamdunbarappreciation FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THIS EVEN, SEE YOU GUYS ALL WEEK <3

#LiamDunbarWeek2023 #liamdunbarappreciation #teen wolf events #teen wolf #liam dunbar #teen wolf edit #tw edit #04x05 I.E.D #04x05 #season 4 #s04e05 #ch: hannah montana #luxedit

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willowsfanarts · 4 months

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light is inside of me - latest artwork

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fruitycatnoir · 1 year

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another opinions post because aster has inspired me

TW MY OPINION

i strongly believe that in like at least 90% of every disney show, the show just goes downhill after season 3

for example, liv and maddie: cali style. one of my friends on instagram who has a liv and maddie account doesn’t post about season 4 because she hates it. she even has a pinned post of a small set of reasons why she hates it so much (and understandably so.) i mean, the dad left the show, diggie and maddie are together, they’re not in stevens point, wisconsin anymore? i like dina and ruby, don’t get me wrong, but like, cali style was so so bad

another example, someone’s going to crucify me for this one, is austin and ally. growing up, i had a HUGE crush on ross/austin, and for a bit, i hated the ship auslly. a few years later, i made a whole fanpage for auslly. now, i still like ross and A&A, but as for the ship, i’m neutral. anyway, in season 4, sonic boom changed to A&A music factory, austin’s hair was long?? EW? and it just wasn’t as enjoyable as seasons 1-3. also jace and trish didn’t end up together, excuse me? idk man i just never really liked season 4 of A&A

jessie is probably the only exception to this. all 4 seasons of jessie i loved.

good luck charlie i feel like is debatable. it was an interesting and fun 4 seasons, BUT, spencer and teddy should have NEVER gotten back together. i rest my case

hannah montana is also debatable. again with the ex’s, jake was in the picture (thank the GODS she and him didn’t end up together, i would have thrown hands). i like them being in a different place, i like lily living with them, but i do miss the old house they used to live in, and especially rico’s little shop (or whatever it’s called.)

did suite life on deck make it to 4 seasons? i don’t even remember

wizards of waverly place i think had a good season 4, especially the finale. i like the fact that mason and alex ended up together, juliet and justin ended up together, and both justin and alex got to keep their powers. i feel like max deserved more than the sub station but he did seem ecstatic about that i won’t complain

this one’s gonna hurt me like hell, but, lab rats. you guys know i love this show. it’s my favorite, it’s my comfort show, but i’m not gonna lie, i try to avoid bionic island when i’m watching it. it’s just not as fun as the other seasons. like, tasha isn’t really there, sometimes douglas is there more than donald, sebastian is there (yes this is a sebastian and sebase slander page), they started to make chase more annoying, and they’re not in mission creek anymore. i just think that season 4 of lab rats is my least favorite. i even like elite force better, and we all know how badly they wrote elite force

ravens home, bunk’d (even after season 2), those shows need to just stop. please.

#disney channel #austin and ally #liv and maddie #jessie #bunkd #good luck charlie #hannah montana #suite life on deck #wizards of waverly place #lab rats bionic island #ravens home #season 4

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we-are-born-and-live-to-die · 4 months

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#hannah montana forever #disney channel #miley cyrus #disney #2011 #season 4

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amontaguscapulet · 2 years

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My song to save me from Vecna is ‘You’ll Always Find Your Way Back Home’ by Hannah Montana

#vecna #stranger things #stranger things vol2 #stranger things season four #stranger things 4 #steve harrington #max mayfield #Eddie Munson #Hannah Montana

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britneyshakespeare · 2 months

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2010 was the year of both hannah montana forever and danger days by my chemical romance and these events are deeply connected in my mind

#what is danger days if not the mcr season 4 (my chemical romance forever)#text post #is this something #mcr #hannah montana #2010 #GET UP AND GO WHO THEY WANT YOU TO BE WHO THEY WANTED TO SEE JUST LEAVE THE PARTY WITH ME AND NEVER GO HOME #i think i'm gonna go now.... i think im gonna goooo now..... i THINK im gonna GO NOW

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ffsanaaaa · 3 months

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Ok, now that the first pjo season is finally over (😭) I want to share my pitch for the future adaptations from the Riordanverse, because since daydreaming is for free I will now pretend I work with Rick and Disney and tell you what I'd do if I were their Kevin Feige.

First of all, do we all agree that if Heroes of Olympus really gets adapted it should be a separate show, and not PJO 6th season, right?? I hope so because they're completely different stories. So, if we will already get 2 connected shows, why can't we get more?

And maybe it's because I'm a big marvel fan but I really believe in the power of crossovers. There's something magical about seeing characters originally from two different worlds/stories interacting with each other, and I'm not only referring to the MCU. I mean, remember the episode where Hannah Montana and the Wizards of Waverly Place all went aboard on Zack and Cody's cruise ship?? Or when all the Disney Princesses appeared together on Ralph Breaks the Internet???

So imagine having 2 original spin-offs released in the years between each season from PJO. That way we would get the chance to meet not only Camp Jupiter but also some of the characters who are originally from there before HOO.

My idea of a title for the first show is "The Children of Rome", and the story would be set right after the events from Sea of Monsters/PJO Season 2, where we would follow Reyna as one of the main characters and all the journey she went through after her encounter with Percy and Annabeth on Circe's Island.

From being kidnapped by pirates to being trained by the wolf Lupa (which I think it would be really nice to actually see, since we only got a brief explanation of how it works in the books) until she finally arrives at Camp Jupiter and is first welcomed by Jason. Here I think there's even a great opportunity for a parallel between him and Thalia, since season 2 will have ended with Thalia resurrection and her iconic line (that could be adapted so to fit her last name) "I am Thalia Grace daughter of Zeus", so Jason's first introduction could be with him saying "I am Jason Grace son of Jupiter" (I already have chills only from imagining the scenes).

This could be a 3 or 4 seasons show, where we would see Reyna and Jason ascending to Praetor and their battle with the titan Krios, and in the last season (after PJO’s last season) we would see Nico's, Hazel's and Frank's arrival, wrapping the series with Jason disappearing.

Now for my second spin-off idea, it would be set after Titan's Curse/Season 3 and we would follow The Hunters of Artemis, which is already a great title by itself, and I would be satisfied with only one season but I would definitely not mind if we got more!

It would be a simpler show, with basically badass (ace) girls adventures, to see what they've been up to during the events of book/season 4, while we also get to know more of Thalia, her past trauma and how she misses her brother since she doesn't know he's alive. The Demigod Files story, The Sword of Hades, where Percy, Nico and Thalia go to the underworld and meet Bob could even happen in this show through her pov, that way we would understand better why she got so shaken with their encounter with the goddess of ghosts and regrets.

All of that would be a nice contrast with Jason's journey, since he was too young when he got to the Camp and doesn't remember much from his past with the exception that he was abandoned, so he doesn't even imagine that there's someone who cares and misses him. All of this would culminate in HOO first season when they finally get reunited.

No, it’s not a coincidence that I’m focusing a lot on Jason, but ironically the reason for that is not because he’s my favorite character, actually between the seven demigods from the prophecy he’s one of my least favorite, and I hardly ever find people in the fandom who has him as their favorite, which I think is pretty sad (specially now that I finally finished reading The Trials of Apollo, because I honestly I want to scream everytime I think about how much he is underrated and poorly explored as a character).

What I believe to be the reason for all of this is that, even though they’re nothing alike, Jason is often compared to Percy due to both being the son of one of the most powerful gods in Olympus and pretty much the leaders of their respective Camps. But that’s still not a fair comparison, because it’s like “who do you prefer, the boy we’ve known for 5 books already in which we got to first know this amazing world through his eyes, thoughts and feelings… or this dude we just met and that people say to be as good as him?”

Not only that, but between all the new characters we get to know in HOO (if I remember correctly) Jason is the one with less flashbacks scenes, and I get that this happened because he lost his memory, but this makes that most of the information we have about Jason's past is told to us, and not showed.

So, deep down, we know why Jason's personality is so different from Percy's. We know he'd struggled since he was a little kid due to the pressure of being raised to be a leader in such a cold and harsh environment. We know that even though he was immensely admired in Camp Jupiter he was still deeply lonely and insecure, mainly because of the lack of a parental figure to give him unconditional love making him believe that he only had value if he was of use.

We know he is incredibly powerful and led the Camp through tones of victories. But we haven't seen any of this half as much as we've seen him getting hit on the head, so in the end that's how he's most remembered: a nice and serious guy that got hit a lot on the head.

A spin of series would give the fans a chance of really seeing all that and understanding Jason (and other characters like Reyna and Thalia) better. And, again, it might be simply because I'm a huge MCU fan, but I truly believe that if we got to meet the roman characters and camp before HOO the feeling of seeing those worlds collapsing together and interacting would be so powerful!!

In the books what happen is that we see characters that we don't know yet (therefore don't like yet) arriving at a place and meeting characters that we already love, and then in the second book is the opposite, we see a character that we already love arriving at a place and meeting characters that we don't know yet (again, therefore don't like yet). But if we got to meet everyone separately all we would feel right away is excitement!

I’m not in any way trying to demerit the books!! It’s just that now with the series we have the chance of doing something new, of really adapting this story to a new media format in the best way possible! And, since the spin-offs would be original stories, the writers and Rick not only would have the opportunity to create more freely but also to surprise the fans who had read the books already.

I’ve been sitting on this Idea since the Disney+ show was announced and I know the odds of it happening are pretty low, but I decided to share this idea with othe people who also loves these books so we can freak out together.

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best-tv-theme-song · 6 months

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Round 1, Group E - 9/16

*SHOW WITH MULTIPLE THEMES/VERSIONS - The COMBINED votes will determine the winner of this poll, and the top choice will move on alone. Any theme songs that are missing were not submitted.

Remember you're voting for the theme song, not the show as a whole!

Hannah Montana - Seasons 1-2

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Hannah Montana - Seasons 3-4

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Gilligan's Island - Season 1

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Gilligan's Island - Seasons 2-3

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#hannah montana #gilligan's island #poll #round 1 #r1ge #Youtube

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locks4miley · 1 year

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Hannah Montana premiered on Disney Channel 17 years ago today

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astriddestelle · 6 months

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The way I was obsessed with enemies to lovers/rivals to lovers as a kid 😭😭😭 my top pairings growing up ranked. Canon/Fanon included.

Can you tell I’ve been on a nostalgic rewatch.

1. Logan/Quinn from Zoey 101. The OG teenbop enemies to lovers omg I stan. When they pronounced their love for each other at the season finale at the prom, screaming crying throwing up. The way they get together is so random lmao he calls her hot and they kiss then Michael rides by on a horse like what? But the pay off and ending was so *chefs kiss*

2. Courtney/Duncan from TDI. They were everything to me and Cartoon Network ruined it. First season the bantering, the flirting. When I tell you I was hooked. The scream I scrumpt when they finally kissed (also me didn’t she just throw up but whatever I guess) then she left and it was all downhill from there.

3. Rose/Jake from ADJL. The Romeo and Juliet of this paring needs to be studied. They were so down bad for each other. When Jake found out she was huntsgirl then when she found out. Their first kiss being right before she had to ‘kill’ him for sport in an arena. Her giving up her life to keep him and his family safe, him giving up her to keep her safe. 😭😭😭 they don’t make em like they used too

4. Draco/Harry from HP. The ship that started it all. Before this I’d never read a slash fic before is it even still called that. Anyways this right here is my longest going ship I’m still into only reason it’s not higher is that I love the other ones more. You get so many variations of this, from the super toxic fic, to the I’ve always secretly loved you, to the meet up after the war is over and so on and so forth. Ugh I love it. There’s like 50,000 fics of them on a03 and I know I’ve read like half at least 🤣

5. Zuko/Katara from Avatar. My second non canon ship on here. When I tell you I was obsessed with them. Sigh then I discovered other fandoms and by the time I came back to them I was just done. Which I think comes fromm just not being as much of a Zuko fan anymore. This ship was gold, tho, I mean come on I’ll save you from the pirates how can I not. The way he jumped in front of her (obviously he’d do the same for everyone but like listen it ate down bad) the whole crystal caverns episode was fuel to the fire, the writers/creators knew what they were doing

6. Jake/Miley from Hannah Montana. Another OG omg she hated him so much. The flirty the snark then they had to kiss and both of em were like oh hot damn. They were so cute together and I will forever hate Disney for making her choose Jake just for him to cheat on her like what was the reason. What was the reason 😭😭

7. Alejandro/Heather from TDI. Woo child buckle up. This is one of those slowburns cause it’s not until like a quarter in to the season you’re like hold up. Are they going where I think they’re going and then they did. I don’t like the ending cause seriously wtf was the point. But the lead up and bruh the stuck in a hole song I still sing that on a daily. They were literally made for each other.

8. Chad/Sonny from Sonny with a Chance: one thing about Disney they ate down when it comes to enemies to lovers, or annoyance to like, whatever you wanna call it. Chad Dylan Cooper and Sonny omg the drama was beautiful, they hated each other so much and when they started dating I bout passed out. Lol they were so hilarious together I miss it.

9. Raven/Beastboy from TT. This and next two aren’t super enemies to lovers, more live annoyances or belligerent sexual tension. But I really was obsessed with this, like I was the girl reading Terra bashing fics 😭😭 they were so cute, the Beast Within was ship gold, Nevermore, the fact that she holds onto to the penny he gives her when she ‘dies’ and oh he only turns into the Beast again to protect her from Slade and never again. Beautiful

10. Jimmy/Cindy from JN. They may have only been nine but sheesh the rivalry to lovers or in this case crushes was intense. Cindy was down bad since day one but she hid that shit so well. The Valentine’s Day episode still makes me giggle like a kid. And the last episode where they’re legit just straight up flirting with each other I can not. When she almost confesses when he’s the orange hulk. So cute.

Honarary mentions:

Jinx/Kid Flash from TT. They were cute but I hated it solely for the fact that it shoulda been me 😭😭🤧🤧

Sam/Freddie from icarly. Ok so I used to love this one and as I got older, Sam was just so fucking mean that I couldn’t ship like damn. At some point it’s not cute anymore, it’s just down right abusive, early seasons yes, later seasons where they’re actually together no.

Bakugo/Deku simply cause some days I think it’s cute other days I hate it

Mindy and Josh from Drake and Josh. Cute and amusing but didn’t care for em much.

Bailey and Code from Suite Life on Deck see above.

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bcofl0ve · 5 months

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where to buy/rent/stream every piece of media austin butler has ever been in, a comprehensive masterpost

(a lot of these things you can pirate one way or another, but for the sake of promoting media consumption that benefits the creative teams and casts i only included official links/platforms)

The Faithful (2007) : LOST MEDIA outside of the trailer here. If you have any leads on where to find this please let me know!

Hannah Montana (2006-2007) Season 1 E11 and Season 2 E7: Buy the individual episodes on Amazon or stream on Disney+.

Neds Declassified (2005-2007) Season 2 E1-20 and Season 3 E1-21: Paramount+, or you can buy each season on Amazon for $12.99 each.

iCarly (2007) Season 1 E4: Stream on Paramount+, or you can buy the individual episode for $2.99 on Amazon.

Out Of Jimmy's Head (2008) Season 1 E16: Unfortunately I couldn't find the episode in English anywhere but if you just want to see bby Austin you can watch it in Romanian here.

Zoey 101 (2007-2008) Season 3 E11 and Season 4 E4-12: Stream on Paramount+, or you can buy the individual episodes on Amazon.

Aliens in The Attic (2009): Stream on Max or rent/buy it on Amazon.

Ruby and The Rockits (2009): Buy on Amazon.

Zeke and Luther (2009) Season 1 E17: Stream on Hulu.

Wizards of Waverly Place (2010) Season 3 E10: Stream on DisneyNow or buy the episode on Amazon.

Jonas (2010) Season 1 E1-E2: Stream on Apple TV or Disney+

CSI Miami (2010) Season 9 E8: Stream on Paramount+ or buy from Amazon.

The Defenders (2010) Season 1 E10: Buy on Amazon.

Betwixt (2010): LOST MEDIA. If you have any leads on where to find this please message me!

Life Unexpected (2010-2011) Season 1 E5, 6, 8, 9 11 Season 2 E3, 5, 7, 9, 13: Stream on Paramount+.

CSI NY (2011) Season 7 E17: Stream on Hulu or Paramount+.

Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure (2011): Stream on Disney+.

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No, Adrien and Félix are not sentimonsters. They are twins

ATTENTION: This article was written BEFORE SEASON 5 AIRING. It can be considered OUTDATED, but NOT WRONG. Also, it points the cointinuity errors that Thomas Astruc commited when he decided to turn Adrien and Félix sentimonsters. The series forwarding does not deppend on me. Any reproduction of this article (entirely of partially) without asking permition is not allowed.

A popular theory among the Miraculers is that Adrien could be a sentimonster. After the episode “Gabriel Agreste,” Félix was included in it, which gained force after the Season 4’s final episodes: “Risk” and “Strikeback.” Ambassador Feri González’s declaration about “having known about ‘Senti Adrien’ since Season 2” strengthened the conviction of the idea’s defenders.

Despite its many arguments, the thesis about Adrien has many holes, which are enough to completely refute it. The same goes for the hypothesis about Félix. Supporters of the theory are so attached to it that they ignore an idea that is simpler and makes more sense: Adrien and Félix are identical twins, and Gabriel stole one of them in the maternity ward. To better understand this subject, this text will address all the arguments presented in the discussion and show why Adrien and Félix are indeed twins and not sentimonsters.

(Note: The text is NOT intended to attack or hurt anyone, only to contribute to the debate.)

1- There are no “identical cousins,” only identical twins

Félix was introduced in Miraculous Ladybug as Adrien’s cousin. They look exactly alike (even Amelie says they look like twins). That fact is very curious since cousins can’t be born identical. Even if two identical twins (like Emilie, Adrien’s mother, and Amelie, Félix’s mother) marry two identical twins, their children are not born alike (although they have many similar genes). Those who want to understand better can read the article “If twin brothers marry twin sisters, will their children be identical?” by Luiza Andrade (web link in sources), which has the book The Human Body as its reference. Thenceforth, the theory that Félix is Amelie’s son with a possible identical twin brother of Gabriel, or even Gabriel himself (if that were so, all siblings, twins or not, would look the same) is discarded.

(Note: The case of identical twins Brittany and Briana Deane, who married identical twins Josh and Jeremy Salyers and had identical children, Jett and Jax, is reported sensationally in the media. Although very similar, having virtually sibling DNA, the little boys will show their differences more clearly as they grow up. It’s harder to notice them in babies.)

Félix and Adrien in “Félix”

Félix’s origin is linked to the first concept of Cat Noir, which was discarded by Thomas Astruc as a cliché. The series creator repurposed the character and put him in another context. That is one of the reasons why Adrien and Félix are identical, but it’s not the only one. As explained before, there are no equal cousins in real life. Even in fiction, it’s not very common. One example is the TV show Hannah Montana, which introduced Luanne Stewart as an identical cousin of the protagonist Miley Stewart. However, there is a big difference between the two cases. Luanne is an irrelevant character to the show, created to appear in just one episode. Therefore, that unreal element does not affect the reasoning of the central narrative. Félix, on the contrary, is central to several Miraculous Ladybug’s arcs, such as the Agreste family’s and the Hawk Moth’s. Therefore, he’s a character that requires development and attention, and his resemblance to Adrien cannot be a mere chance.

Félix's original version

2- Identical twins with different personalities are common in fiction

Although equal in looking, Adrien and Félix have very different personalities. Adrien is friendly and naive, while Félix is introverted and clever. Countless stories (of varied genres) have identical twins with opposite mentalities and “switch places.” That is what happens, for example, with Hiashi and Hizashi Hyuuga, from Naruto: Hizashi is wise and brave, while Hiashi is stubborn and, in some ways, coward (strong to face enemies but weak to fight the injustices of his clan). Hizashi even goes so far as to impersonate Hiashi to save his brother’s life.

The concept of “good twin and evil twin” is so common it can even be considered cliché. Stories like the book and movie The Man in the Iron Mask, the soap opera Deceptions (La usurpadora), and even a special Halloween episode of The Simpsons all bring that element. So far, Félix can be considered the “evil twin” and Adrien the “good twin,” but it depends on what are Félix’s real intentions. For now, he has shown evil, but many fans (myself included) believe he may be tricking Gabriel* to defeat him later. Remembering that Félix is very smart and, as a Graham of Vanily, not just doesn’t trust Gabriel but considers him an enemy for having taken possession of his family’s rings. That mistrust, for sure, increased after Félix discovered Emilie’s dead body in the Agreste Manor’s basement. Then, he may have given that ring to his uncle as a retreat to later advance his plan to defeat him.

(*This possibility of Félix’s double-play furthers my theory that he could form a couple with Zoé. Learn more in “Why Lukloé won’t happen, but Lukagami will.”)

Félix and Adrien in “Risk”

Therefore, Adrien and Félix being twins would not be surprising in Miraculous Ladybug, as it addresses a common idea in fiction. Despite that theme being somewhat dramatic, the series has a history of approaching mature subjects, especially from Season 4.

The creation of Félix from a discarded idea’s relocation is the starting point of his development, which allowed another mystery to be inserted in the Agreste family arc. Félix and Adrien are yet another representation of yin-yang, an element very present in Miraculous Ladybug (the other being Cat Noir and Ladybug themselves and their miraculouses). They are antagonistic and simultaneously complement each other. Félix develops from Adrien and Adrien develops from Félix. Since even simple details aren’t inserted in an audiovisual series at random, it would be no different with an interpersonal characteristic that dialogues so much with the show’s theme.

3- Gabriel is fully capable of kidnapping a child

Gabriel Agreste has proven to be one of the most perverse villains in fiction. He simply has no scruples and goes to great lengths to achieve his goals, no matter the consequences. In light of that and the previous explanations about Adrien and Félix being twins, it is possible to imagine that the Butterfly Miraculous holder is responsible for the “emergence” of “identical cousins.”

Gabriel’s interest in the Graham de Vanily Twin Rings is curious. In “Félix,” Amelie clears that they must stay with the family. Therefore, it is strange that the Grahams of Vanily “authorized” Emilie and Gabriel to wear them as wedding rings, knowing that she would become an Agreste. Amelie’s insistence on taking them back after her sister’s death proves that the family doesn’t accept that they are with third parties, including their members’ spouses. Even aware of this, her brother-in-law feels entitled to keep the rings with him. We note that Gabriel has a habit of taking possession of things that don’t belong to him (the miraculouses and the rings), and he uses people for this. Nathalie got the miraculouses for her boss, and Emilie may have taken her family’s treasure at her husband’s behest. From what he did to Nooroo in “Sandboy” (having made Kwami’s mouth close momentarily with a snap of his fingers) and the hints in “Gabriel Agreste” (Nathaniel’s drawings), it is clear that Gabriel is, in fact, a wizard. Therefore, he may have bewitched Emilie to steal the rings. Knowing that the stylist likes to take what is not his, the theory about the true origin of Adrien and Félix comes into play.

Gabriel bewitching Nooroo in “Sandboy”

Adrien’s stories and photos indicate that Emilie was a good person. Although naive, the boy notices the true nature of people (e.g., he limits himself to saying that his father is “protective,” as it’s not possible to say anything good about him, and he does not fall for Lila’s lies). Then, she may have wanted to be a mother. On the other hand, Gabriel perhaps planned to have an heir who would guarantee his wife’s inheritance (depending on the marriage regime, he would only manage such an inheritance if he had a child with the deceased one). Félix and Adrien are the same age, so Amelie got pregnant at the same time as her sister.

The theory goes that Emilie and Gabriel’s child didn’t survive birth, while Amelie gave birth to twins on the same day and in the hospital. Both childbirths were difficult, and the sisters passed out during the procedure. Needing an heir, Gabriel bribed or bewitched the doctors and hospital staff to exchange his stillborn child for one of Amelie’s babies. In this way, it would appear that she had dizygotic (non-identical) twins, and one of them didn’t survive. It would be a plausible explanation since births of twins are usually more complicated). Because they were unconscious, Emilie and Amelie wouldn’t know anything and would accept the children with the versions given by the hospital. In Miraculous Ladybug, characters tend to be more perceptive of personalities than physical appearances. Then, neither Adrien nor Felix or Amelie having suspected why the “cousins” look like the same wouldn’t be a surprise.

(Note: It is known that the Graham of Vanily family live in London and the Agrestes in Paris, but nothing prevents Emilie and Amelie from being in the same city when they are having their children.)

Amelie, Félix, and Adrien in “Félix”

Some fans might argue that a newborn theft from the maternity ward would be too heavy a topic for a children’s cartoon. However, there are two points to consider. First, that subject has already been addressed in other works aimed at children: it’s what moves the plot of the children’s soap opera Accomplices to the Rescue (Cómplices al rescate). Second, Miraculous Ladybug has already addressed mature and controversial issues. The episode “Truth” brought up the theme of parental abandonment by revealing that Jagged Stone is Luka and Juleka’s biological father. Although avoided by children’s stories, that is sadly the reality for many children, and Miraculous Ladybug promotes inclusivity by portraying it in an episode. Gabriel himself keeping Emilie’s dead body in his basement is pretty macabre for a children’s show, yet it is shown. By the same line of reasoning, having sentimonsters in significant roles in the story (one of them as the protagonist) seems much more bizarre for a children’s animation than having human twins separated at birth.

4- Signs that strengthen the twins’ theory

In an audiovisual work, nothing is inserted at random. There is always a reason behind it. Speeches, costumes, colors, references, everything has a purpose. Two big signs feed the theory that Adrien and Félix are biological brothers. Both are in the episode “Félix.”

When Gabriel and his son are in the Agreste Manor’s hall waiting for their visits, the door opens, and Adrien is surprised by Amelie, calling her “Mom.” Then, after a few moments, the boy realizes that she is his “Aunt Amelie.” As the scene is the first time the character has appeared, it’s clear that it was created to shock viewers into believing that it’s Emilie at the door. However, in the context of the series, Adrien knows that his mother is dead* and that she has an identical twin sister (mother of the cousin he is very close to). Then, as shaken as he was at that moment, it makes no sense that Adrien would believe his mother was “resurrected.” It was, in fact, his unconscious calling her “Mom,” rescuing a memory of when he was inside her.

(*Even though Emilie is referred to as “missing” in some episodes, like “Queen Wasp,” Thomas Astruc confirmed that it’s public knowledge that she is dead, including having a funeral.)

Thomas Astruc confirming the note above

Shortly after, Adrien hugs Félix and Amelie says: “they look just like twins.” Such a statement was not inserted into her speech at random. Even if she doesn’t realize it, her unconscious knows that they are twins. Additionally, Amelie reveals that Adrien and Félix had Gabriel and Emilie fooled for a whole weekend by switching places but doesn’t say if she and her husband haven’t noticed the difference. Parents recognize their children by the tiniest details. Parents of identical twins know who is one and who is the other. If Emilie and Gabriel took long to realize that it was Félix instead of Adrien, they don’t have the same parental sense as Amelie and her husband, the boys’ true parents.

There are many mysteries about the Agreste and Graham de Vanily families. It is a fact that Emilie’s biological family feels enmity toward Gabriel. Such sentiment would be maximized if they found out that the stylist stole one of Amelie’s children and kept him away from the family since Emilie died (as evidenced by Gabriel’s refusal to let Adrien go to Félix’s father’s funeral).

5- Refuting the arguments of Adrien being a sentimonster theory

a) Argument: Adrien is perfect (Thomas Astruc himself jokes that his middle name is “Perfection”)

Answer: Actually, Adrien is not perfect. Thomas Astruc made this joke because the character is handsome and kind, a great combination. Adrien does have flaws. He is naive, dumb, jealous, and a cheapskate. Besides, played with Kagami’s feelings (by dating her while in love with someone else). He also was dishonest with Luka (by confiding to Marinette that he doesn’t know how to play guitar instead of admitting it out loud so that Jagged Stone would know and then accepting Luka’s guitar instead of directly suggesting to Marinette to indicate the guitarist). That doesn’t mean Adrien is evil, but he’s not perfect either.

b) Argument: There are no Adrien’s photos as a baby or child

Answer: There is a drawing made by Adrien as a child that appeared in “The Collector.” Also, Chloé is a childhood friend of his, and Félix seems to have known her since that time too. If Adrien were a sentimonster, Chloé wouldn’t have known him since they were kids, as sentimonsters are stationary.

Reply 1: Emilie may have created one Adrien a year for him to “grow up,” and thus overused the damaged miraculous and died.

Rejoinder 1: Adrien’s drawing shows the boy with his parents in Tibet, where Nathalie found the miraculouses and the spell book. Having the Peacock Miraculous in her hands when her son was already born, Emilie couldn’t have created Adrien from an amok.

Reply 2: Adrien may have been created by another Peacock Miraculous wielder before Emilie

Rejoinder 2: How did he get to Emilie and Gabriel then? How did the Agrestes get the amokized object to control him? That would open another arc and make the series very confused. I believe those responsible for Miraculous Ladybug don’t want that.

Reply 3: The original Adrien may have died, and Gabriel and Emilie created a sentimonster just like him.

Rejoinder 3: Then there’s no reason for Gabriel to resurrect Emilie. Just create a sentimonster just like her.

The drawing Adrien made in his childhood

c) Argument and hypothesis: Gabriel seems too old to have biological children, so he resorted to the Peacock Miraculous used by his wife to have a child

Answer: Even older men can have biological children (e.g., Mick Jagger’s youngest son was born in 2016, when the singer was 73). Gabriel has enough money to invest in methods like IVF. He doesn’t need to create a sentimonster to be a father.

d) Argument and hypothesis: Gabriel doesn’t show affection for Adrien, probably because Emilie used the damaged Peacock Miraculous too much to keep the sentimonster as an ordinary child and died

Answer: Not receiving affection from his father doesn’t mean Adrien is a sentimonster. Gabriel is not a caring person. Having raised Adrien for so many years, he was supposed to have, at the very least, an affection for the boy, even if he wasn’t his biological son. But Gabriel is very selfish and unable to be affectionate. That goes for everyone.

e) Argument: In “Ladybug & Cat Noir (Origins - Part 1)”, Gabriel tells Adrien: “you are not like everyone else.”

Answer: That’s what any parent says when their kids try to convince them of something because “everybody” does. The phrase is more a confirmation of Gabriel’s parental authority than anything else.

f) Argument and hypothesis: The episode “Optigami” revealed that sentimonsters can use miraculouses, so Master Fu could have entrusted the Cat Miraculous to Adrien even realizing he is a sentimonster

Answer: Yes, sentimonsters can use miraculouses, but that doesn’t set Adrien up as one. He lacks many of the fundamental characteristics of sentimonsters, such as physical stability and absolute subservience. Also, knowing that sentimonsters are creatures controlled by whoever holds the amokized object, Master Fu wouldn’t risk handing a miraculous as powerful as the Cat to a sentimonster, as it’s unknown who can control it later.

g) Argument: Adrien is totally obedient to Gabriel

Answer: That’s not true. Although not confronting Gabriel, Adrien questions his father’s decisions and sometimes disobeys him. In “Ladybug & Cat Noir (Origins - Part 1),” he runs away to study at a school against his father’s order to be homeschooled. In “Frozer,” he asks the bodyguard to take him to the skating rink, even though Gabriel thinks he is going to school to train in fencing. In “Desperada,” Adrien goes to Luka’s boat instead of his fencing class. Sentimonsters never rebel against whoever holds the amokized object that controls them. For them to have freedom, the amokized thing must be given directly to them, as seen in “Ladybug.”

Addendum (11/24/2022): The same logic applies to Kagami, who disobeys Tomoe in “Ikari Gozen” and “Heart Hunter.” Tomoe and Gabriel are overbearing persons and would never create disobedient sentimonsters. That contradict both sentimonsters’ nature and Gabriel and Tomoe’s. Therefore, though some fans believe Kagami is a sentimonster, that’s not true.

h) Argument and hypothesis: Thomas Astruc said that if a sentimonster is created to be a human, it is human, not a human-shaped creature; therefore, it’s possible that Adrien has a will of his own and makes his own decisions even though he is a sentimonster

Answer: Gabriel is very controlling, even wanting to isolate his son from the rest of the world. Why would he create a human sentimonster with a will of its own? The episodes “Ladybug” and “Sentibubbler” show that whoever decides how a sentimonster act is who controls it. So, even if Emilie had created Adrien as a human sentimonster with his own will, Gabriel could take away that autonomy when he got the amokized object. For his plans, it’s not good to have an independent Adrien. If the boy is like that, he isn’t a sentimonster.

(Note: As well-remembered by the Toujours Miraculous post (web link in sources), Adrien has a hot body and is allergic to pigeon feathers. These traits are entirely human. It wouldn’t make sense for a sentimonster to be created with allergies (even if it was to give it a human character), as this kind of condition isn’t something immediately noted. Gabriel wants to show the world that Adrien is perfect. If the boy were a sentimonster, he would have been made without any allergies or unfavorable conditions. At the very least, Gabriel would eliminate them when controlling him.)

i) Argument and hypothesis: Gabriel stirs his ring to make Adrien obey him, as seen in “Ephemeral” and in “Strikeback;” it may contain the amok which created Adrien

Answer: If Adrien were a sentimonster, it would be impossible for Gabriel to need to move the amokized object to increase control over him, as Adrien wouldn’t even show signs of disobedience. It wouldn’t be possible for the boy to react against his father’s domination if the amokized object were under his control and not someone else’s (who could give him autonomy). It’s more likely that the Graham de Vanily Twin Rings have a spell that controls people.

j) Argument: The episode “Wishmaker” showed that Adrien had no childhood dreams and that he wants to be what his parents want him to be

Answer: Not all children dream of the future. Many of them answer “I don’t know” when asked what they want to be when they grow up (I’ve met some of them myself). Adrien may have been an insecure child and saw his parents as his desired protection. Soon, he felt comfortable fulfilling Emilie and Gabriel’s wishes and couldn’t imagine doing anything they didn’t plan.

k) Argument: Feri González said she has known about “Senti Adrien” since Season 2

Answer: Actually, when asked on the internet how long she had known about “Senti Adrien,” Feri González replied, “Since Season 2”. That answer has two meanings. She may be confirming that Adrien is a sentimonster and that she would have been warned about this during Season 2. However, she could also be implying that she’s been aware since Season 2 of a theory that Adrien is a sentimonster. It is different saying “Joseph loves Mary” than saying “I heard that Joseph loves Mary.” They asked what Feri González knows, and she answered literally. That feature is often used to mislead without telling lies. The Miraculous Ladybug staff doesn’t like when fans try to discover the show’s secrets before the revelation episodes. Proof of that is Thomas Astruc’s ironic, even rude, reply to a fan who asked if Luka and Juleka were Jagged Stone’s children based on their looking. The cartoon’s creator hinted that such a suspicion was absurd, but the episode “Truth” proved it correct. To prevent fans from suspecting what’s going on in the Agreste family, Feri González may be giving them literal answers to throw them off track and keep them away from premature discoveries. She misled fans before when she said that Adrien should “take care” as Luka would enter Marinette’s love life, and so far, not only has Adrien remained intact in Marinette’s heart, Luka got very frustrated.

Thomas Astruc doesn’t like the Sherlocks Holmes on duty

l) Argument: Adrien is practically a copy of Emilie, having no trace of Gabriel

Answer: Indeed, Adrien bears no physical resemblance to Gabriel, indicating that he is not his biological son. However, he is also not a copy of Emilie, as although he has his mother’s eyes, nose, and mouth, his head shape is different (and not the same as Gabriel’s). His hair is also a more saturated shade of blonde than Emilie’s. At the same time, the lack of resemblance between the boy and Gabriel doesn’t explain how Adrien is identical to Félix. It is most likely they are identical twins, and what they didn’t get from Amelie, they got from her husband.

Remark: In “Feast,” Mayura felt the presence of the sentimonster created by Master Fu. She was in the same ambiance as Cat Noir in “Ladybug” while using the Peacock Miraculous and didn’t feel anything different.

6- Refuting the arguments of Félix being a sentimonster theory

a) Argument: In “Gabriel Agreste,” Gabriel threatens to snap his fingers to make Félix disappear; Sentimonsters are freed from reality when their creators snap their fingers

Answer: Nathalie’s plan of Shadow Moth creating a sentimonster in Gabriel’s shape to fight his nephew while the villain tries to akumatize him had a clear objective: to prevent Félix from suspecting that Gabriel is Shadow Moth. If Félix were a sentimonster and would be freed from reality with a snap, Gabriel’s threat would confess that he is Shadow Moth. Then, the plan would no longer make sense (he would be doing what needed to be avoided). Although Gabriel isn’t always that intelligent, that’s a huge mistake that he would never make, especially with someone as smart as Félix. The threat to make the boy disappear in a snap contains a metaphor for death and one for speed. Félix was scared because, even knowing that his uncle is mysterious and dishonest, he wouldn’t have imagined that he would be capable of committing murder (and this had to be implied smoothly, as it’s a children’s cartoon). Gabriel, in response, would not back down from the threatening tone to increase fear in Félix and allow his akumatization. However, he didn’t count on his nephew’s cunning and endurance.

Senti-Gabriel threating Félix in “Gabriel Agreste”

b) Argument and hypothesis: Nathalie stints the ring given by Gabriel to control Félix, who pretended to be Adrien; each of the bands can contain an amok (one that created Félix and one that originated Adrien)

Answer: If Félix were a sentimonster whose amok would be in one of the rings, Gabriel would have no problem controlling him, and Félix wouldn’t confront him like he did when they were alone in the studio. Even his uncle could take away the sharp intelligence that seriously threatens the villain’s plans. Félix is a great actor (proven in “Félix,” “Gabriel Agreste,” and “Risk”), and he knows the Graham de Vanily Twin Rings well. Soon, he may learn of the rings’ hidden power and theorize that Gabriel uses it to control Adrien. To maintain the cover at that moment, he should act like his cousin, therefore not resist the ring’s control when activated. An indication that the rings only control Adrien is the dialogue between the cousins in “Risk:”

F: Freedom is something you make, Adrien. For starters, you gotta stop doing everything your father tells you to.

A: I can’t disobey him.

F: You can’t, but I can.

Then Félix mentions that he and Adrien used to switch places in childhood (which Amelie had already revealed in “Félix”). If they were sentimonsters, they couldn’t have had a childhood, as they would be static. They wouldn’t even have memories of that time and still mention them when alone (without the person who would control them). If they were replaced year by year to “grow up,” the current versions could have no memories of what the old ones lived through. Even if they were created with the power to grow up like any other humans, they would still be subject to Gabriel’s control. That one, as mentioned earlier, would soon turn Adrien and Félix into submissive beings without autonomy of thought.

c) Argument and hypothesis: Although he apologized in secret, Félix didn’t hesitate in betraying Ladybug’s trust and gave the miraculouses to Shadow Moth; therefore, he should be apologizing to the Strikebacks for not being able to do anything for them, who were being thrown into the Sun, and felt sorry for them because he is also a sentimonster

Answer: It makes no sense for Félix to empathize with the Strikebacks. Even if he were a sentimonster, he would have been created to be a human, unlike the Strikebacks, made to be robots. In other words, even sentimonsters, Félix and Strikeback would be of totally different types. It couldn’t have empathy that made sense. It’s more plausible that Félix was actually regretting betraying Ladybug’s trust. He looks fondly at the portrait of his Aunt Emilie (when he is alone, without needing to fool anyone), gets horrified to see her dead body hidden in the Agreste Manor’s basement, and has a strong sense of family. It is seen in his relationship with his mother and with the traditions of the Graham de Vanily. Then, the boy is not a psychopath like Gabriel, and he has a good side. At the same time, he is too clever and managed to find out in one episode what Ladybug and Cat Noir are four seasons without discovering: the identity of Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth. Therefore, Félix may be skeptical of the heroes’ competence in fighting the villain and knows that his intelligence will help him defeat him faster, bringing justice to his family, Paris, and the world. Unfortunately, he would have to take two steps back to succeed in his plan: betray Ladybug’s trust and give the recovered ring to Gabriel. Therefore, he was sad, but he knew it was for a good cause. He would be pretending to be what he isn’t to help the ones he loves, just like Zoé does. If Félix was so mean as to not care about Ladybug’s reaction to his betrayal, he would also not be able to see himself as similar to the Strikebacks to feel sorry for them.

Reply 1: Félix, as Flairmidable, asked Ladybug where the heroes would send the Strikebacks and looked astonished when she replied that it would be a place where they couldn’t hurt anyone; still, the images of Flairmidable and the Strikebacks were shown interspersed.

Rejoinder 1: Interspersing images indicate the simultaneity of events. While the heroes defeated the Strikebacks, Félix prepared to leave the scene. Furthermore, Flairmidable may have been surprised at the genius of Ladybug’s plan, and so he realized that she would not be as incompetent as he had thought when he came up with his original plan. However, it would be too late to turn back, and he had to go on, regretting betraying her trust.

Reply 2: Félix demanded the Peacock Miraculous specifically, and he seemed fulfilled when he finally got his hands on it

Rejoinder 2: That proves nothing. Felix may have a plan in mind that includes using the Peacock Miraculous. It could be something like Nathalie’s idea in “Optigami,” and in this case, he would spy on Gabriel.

Reply 3: Amelie confessed that she wanted to give the rings to Félix because he was fascinated by them; perhaps she wants to free him by handing him the object that controls him

Rejoinder 3: If that were true, Amelie would have had to have owned the rings before Félix was born. By that time, the bands were with Gabriel and Emilie, utilizing them since marriage. At the same time, Amelie sees Félix’s fascination with the bands as his admiration for his family’s traditions. If he were a sentimonster, he wouldn’t notice it himself (because he would be made to be human), and she would have to tell him. From the mother-son conversation in “Félix,” it’s clear that there is no sentimonster involved.

Reply 4: In “Strikeback,” Félix easily gave up the ring to exchange it for the Peacock Miraculous; he may be trying to find a way to transfer the amok from the ring to another object

Rejoinder 4: If it were possible to transfer akumas and amoks, Ladybug would never be able to purify them. Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth and Mayura would immediately place them on other things and keep the akumatized and sentimonsters. When an amok leaves its object, the sentimonster is automatically undone. If Félix were one of those creatures and planned that, he would be committing suicide. It makes more sense that the surrender of the ring is a strategic retreat by Félix. The episode “Gabriel Agreste” shows that he is always one step forward from his uncle.

d) Argument: Miraculous Ladybug’s episodes from Seasons 1 to 4 are named after akumatized or sentimonsters, and Adrien’s cousin’s debut episode is called “Félix.”

Answer: The change in episode naming pattern from Season 5 onwards shows that the naming depends heavily on the staff’s plans. Félix is a substantive character for Miraculous Ladybug, but he wouldn’t be akumatized in his debut. Therefore, the episode could not have a name from her akumatized form like “Volpina,” Lila’s debut. At the same time, perhaps “Punishers Trio” would not be as appealing a title as “Félix,” as it would highlight the akumatized ones (recurring) more than the debuting character who will influence the series’ course. Whatever Felix’s true intention in posing as Adrien to hurt his cousin’s friends was, the fact is that he was an antagonist in the story, then he maintained a pattern of naming episodes from Seasons 1 to 3 as antagonists. Even though the sentimonster Ladybug switched to the side of good in “Ladybug,” it played an evil role when it was under Mayura’s control. The pattern continued through Season 4.

Remark: In “Strikeback,” Félix gives the ring to Gabriel, saying he won’t be needing it anymore. If Félix were a sentimonster and his amok were in the ring, he would never give the object which controls him to Gabriel. He knows his uncle’s nature perfectly.

7- Conclusion

It’s more plausible that Adrien and Félix are identical twins than sentimonsters. Both don’t fit the profile of beings created by amoks. At the same time, they are compatible with the subject of identical twins with different personalities, common in fiction. Gabriel Agreste is Machiavellian enough to do anything for his goals, including stealing objects and children. There are many indications that the “identical cousins” are actually brothers, and they make more sense than the supposed clues that they are sentimonsters. Miraculous Ladybug is a bright show with a great line of reasoning and mystery, and it wouldn’t need to resort to absurdity to maintain its greatness. The best ending for Adrien and Félix would be that they discover the truth and live happily as brothers, free from the intrigues that Gabriel allowed to arise between them.

The same DNA, the same fraternal love

Sources:

“If twin brothers marry twin sisters, will their children be identical?” by Luiza Andrade (Super Interessante, August 22nd, 2016, updated in February 14th, 2020; in Portuguese; if you don’t speak Portuguese, use a translator)

Adrien being a sentimonster theory, posted on Miraculous Ladybug Wikia forum

“Why Adrien’s NOT a Sentimonster” by Toujours Miraculous

The knowledge that I acquired myself in college.

Text originally written on May 27th, 2022. Updated on November 24th, 2022. Attention section post on July 26th, 2023.

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