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hitchell-mope · 9 days
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Supergirl/The Bad Guys au
Mon El. Mr Wolf.
Kara. Diane Foxington.
Winn. Mr Snake.
Brainy. Mr Piranha.
Alex. Ms Tarantula.
J’onn. Mr Shark
Luthor. Misty Luggins
Lord. Professor Marmalade.
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kilowogcore · 11 months
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The wings gotta be mild 'cause any other wings are too spicy fer my delicate Murrikan palate. An' it's gotta be Hooters 'cause Hooters is a God-fearin' kid-friendly breastaurant, unlike Chic-Fil-A which hired a diversity manager and thus is now servin' chicken directly outta Satan's butthole! Am I doin' this right?
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And yet she did!
In episode 3 of Finally A Female Superhero we almost ruin our friendship (not in the Jenny way, the death fight way) by debating the 'merits' of Alex.
This episode covers Episode 3 Season 1 of Supergirl, Fight or Flight.
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midnightbasilisk99 · 1 year
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Favorite Justice League villain
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fazedlight · 7 months
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mel!!! your cat grant & max lord interlude ficlet got me to thinking - i was wondering if you had any thoughts on if they had kept maxwell lord in national city when lena luthor had arrived, what would that look like if he were a ‘tech industry’ foil instead of/in addition to morgan edge?
Oohhh yes!!! (Ficlet for reference.)
I honestly really liked Maxwell Lord’s character on the show. I was not digging the Max/Alex romance that seemed to be brewing (I just don’t think it’s possible for Alex to develop interest in someone with such clear disregard for her sister), but I really liked him being the tech foil. I think he makes a far better one than Morgan Edge, who was just a boring old out-for-himself psychopath.
Maxwell Lord, on the other hand, did feel driven by a mission. He had a deep distrust of the government due to his parents’ deaths, and I do genuinely believe that he wanted to do good in the world. But unlike Kara, he is much more cynical and practical in his approach. And much more willing to allow for collateral damage.
It kind of reminds me of the difference between Lex and Lillian. Lex is just power tripping (Jon Cryer absolutely kills it in this role, otherwise I’m not sure I’d like Lex nearly as much as I do). But Lillian is the much more interesting Luthor villain, because she genuinely thinks she’s doing good for the world - her view of the “world” is just very narrow, because it only focuses on humans, and she’s perfectly fine being a bigot. If we take it a step further with Lena’s villain era, she really served as an anti-villain - Lena’s cause was fundamentally good, but her methods were deeply misguided.
I’m trying to imagine how Max and Lena would’ve gotten along. I think, like with the Daxamite invasion where Lena and Lillian kind of team up, we could see reluctant teamups between this pair as well. But unlike Lillian, Max doesn’t really have a reason to hide the truth of Kara’s identity from Lena. Would she have figured it out sooner? Would he specifically have left clues that led Lena there?
He might even have walked in assuming that Lena knew, before realizing that she really didn’t. And from there, maybe he would’ve driven a very different type of wedge, maybe try to sow distrust. Canonically he starts out as a powerful business man, and eventually becomes involved in Cadmus...
Hear me out, but it might’ve been interesting to watch Maxwell Lord sliding into darker territories (working with Lillian, Cadmus, etc) and trying to take Lena with him. We know he’s attracted to powerful women (like Cat), and he’s smart enough that Lena might’ve found him initially interesting (like, let’s be real, this would’ve been a far more interesting romance arc than Lena/James… though in this case, I’m imagining more of an antagonistic FWB where Lena starts to see some of his points).
Lena would never join Cadmus, she’s not anti-alien. (Max might not be overtly anti-alien, but it's not important enough for him to avoid either.) But she has blind spots that it takes time for her to see (eg the alien detector), and maybe she feels more and more sympathetic to Max’s positions over time.
That puts Kara - who is more than a little in love with her best friend - in the tough spot of knowing that Max joined Cadmus, knowing he’s basically trying to seduce Lena into darkness (Kara is definitely not jealous about his other successful seduction nope nope nope it has nothing to do with that!!), and while she knows Lena would never set out to cause harm... she’s falling into a trap.
So what does Kara do? She tells Lena she’s Supergirl, and Lena now knows that both her best friend and her fuck-buddy-sometimes-romance have been lying to her all along.
I’m not imagining a villain era for Lena here, because I still think that was mostly prompted by Lena’s murder of Lex (you can see a clear delimination in my fics of when she is vs. isn’t angry about the secret, and when her anger is vs. isn’t leading to a villain era).
But she might try to go it alone, close up again and avoid people. She’d dive deep into her lab work, trying to cure cancer or something, improve humanity without interacting with anyone. The lab is safe. Science doesn’t betray you. Statistics don’t lie to you. (Statistics do lie, but she has character flaws.)
She’s content to live her life as a science-inventor-hermit…
Until Kara shows up bloodied at her door, and says “I need your help”.
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chronically-ghosted · 12 days
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i’m finally back on the correct dosage of my anti depressants which is my excuse for the unhinged Maxwell Lord tags ✌🏻
mama has replaced the sad thoughts but doesn’t get a say in what kind of thoughts they get replaced with✌🏻✌🏻
hint, it rhymes with thorny shots ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
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fictiongods · 19 days
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Rewatching supergirl and I kinda like Maxwell Lord. Like I don’t like him cause he’s like evil or whatever but character wise he’s so interesting, I wish they brought him back. AND actually instead of Edge challenging Lena in season 3 what if it was Max??? I feel like that would be so interesting. And like what if they had a whole rivalry in season 2 cause they’re both tech people and want to be best selling or whatever and Lena just got to absolutely crush him (for woman empowerment reasons of course, definitely not because I’m a flaming homosexual and just like to see her win) and then he was bitter for like the rest of the series??? Like this man had so much potential I need him back. Like he could be the anti-hero of the series forever and I’d be eating it up. Like maybe he has a few knight in shining armor moments and then turns around and says he hates all of them while he’s actively saving their lives?? PLEASE I NEED HIM BACK. HE WAS SO SNARKY.
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sky-neverending · 6 months
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Falling (doesn’t feel so bad when i know you’ve fallen this way too): part 3 (final part of chapter one!!)
read part two here!
Everyone was quiet for a moment. A chilling silence hung in the air, heavy and full of fear. 
“I know what it is,” Steph whispered, breaking the quiet. “My phone!” She held the device in the air. “All my pictures, my messages, my whole life is on this thing!”
“We don’t give a shit about your phone!” the Lords in Black yelled in unison, causing Steph, Pete, and Grace to recoil on the ground. 
The green one stepped forward. “You can lie to yourself, Steph. But you can’t lie to me.” He reached out, brushing his fingers through Pete’s hair. “You know what you have to do.”
“No!” Steph shouted, realization flooding over her. 
He only laughed. “What’s in your pocket, Steph-an-ee?” he asked, grinning as she pulled out the gun. “Put a bullet in his head we can take Maxy-poo right on down to Drowsy Town.”
Richie looked between Steph and Pete. Before he could stop himself, he was lunging forward, jumping toward the green being. “Take me instead.”
“Richie…” Pete began, still splayed out helplessly on the floor. “You’re already dead.”
“I fucking know that!” Richie replied. He turned to the demonic entity, the spawn of the Black and White. “Take my soul. Take my soul, and take Max’s, and let them go free. Surely that’s a good enough deal, right?”
“I suppose that could work…” the demonic entity said. “Let’s see what Maxwell thinks.”
The doors to the gym flew open. “Fucking finally! I’ve been waiting for you to finish talking for ages.” Max walked into the room, his presence making Richie pale, even more so than so was due to being dead. “You’re so fucking lucky i’m scared of monochromatic stuff, otherwise i’d be all over your nerdy green face!”
“How does he know what monochromatic means?” Pete whispered. 
Max stomped his foot on the ground. “I learned it at an anti-bullying assembly, fucknugget!”
“That doesn’t…. why would you… you know what? Nevermind.” Pete turned to Richie. “Are you sure you want to do this? Give up everything and spend an eternity with Max Jagerman?” 
Richie sighed. “It’s that, or you die. And I’m already dead…so. Really there’s only one logical option, Pete.” 
“Let him do it!” Grace yelled, interrupting the moment. “Who fudging cares if a dead man dies some more? We need this evil, corrupting, sexy jock off our backs before he taints the minds of more pure-hearted churchgoers!” She turned to the Lords in Black. “Hurry up and do it! We haven’t got all day!”
The room began to shake, and Richie let out an involuntary squeak, locking eyes with Max across the room. His last word before being consumed by harsh, high pitched laughs and deep, dark blackness was simply, “Fuck.”
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aboutzatanna · 2 years
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Meet Zachary Zatara! Zatanna’s Cousin
  I’ve covered Zatanna’s mother, father and now to complete my series of posts on the pairing, lets look at Zachary Zatara.   
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Zachary is a magician just like Zatanna, making her one of the few female heroes with a male side kick. He was also a member of the Teen Titans during Geoff Johns run which the YJ show draws heavily from. 
I’ve included a recommended reading guide for him at the very end of the post including some lesser known, obscure stories so do check that out if you’re interested in wanting to read more about him.   
The inspiration for Zachary goes back to writer Mark Waid and artist Alex Ross Kingdom Come OGN.  KC was seminal back in the day and had a huge influence on the DCU both positive and negative. 
A big part of KC were the children of various superheroes and super villains whom Superman, freshly out of retirement, recruits into his new super powered army in order to fix a world ravaged by out of control anti heroes like Magog. 
One of them was John Zatara, the son of Zatanna and Constantine (the latter of whom was walled off from the rest of the DCU at the time). It’s not known what happened to Zatanna and Constantine in the KC timeline, Zatara being their kid was only revealed in the back of the Absolute edition of Kingdom Come.  
Zatara barely had a speaking role in the OGN, here is a couple of scenes where he shows up in:  
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He also showed up as a supporting character in ‘Kingdom Come: The Offspring’ one shot by Mark Waid and Frank Quietly which focused on Plastic Man’s son Earnie a.k..a ‘Offspring’ where it was mentioned that he was dating Avia, the daughter of Scott Free and Big Barda. 
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Also note that all of his dialogue was written backwards throughout the whole comic even during normal every day conversations: 
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He also appeared as a background character in The Kingdom Special  as one of the many heroes trying to protect Superman and Wonder Woman’s kid from Magog.  
Given these minor appearances it’s really hard to get a feel of Zatara’s personality here. One gets the impression that Avia is the assertive one in their relationship whilst Zatara is the passive one. And...this is just my speculation here, but I think KC Zatara might be autistic or at least, on the spectrum.    
After  KC’s monumental success, DC began incorporating elements from KC into it’s main universe, and just to give you an idea of how immense and influential KC is and continues to be:
(feel free to skip past these bullet points if you’re not interested in KC’s influence) 
- Maxine Hunkel, Magog, Jai and Iris West first appeared in KC then later in the main DCU.   
-The concept of a Blue Beetle who wore mecha armor ended up becoming Jaime Reyes. 
-It also popularized the idea of Bruce and Talia having a son. The idea originated from ‘Son of the Demon’ where we first see their infant child given up for adoption. Then in KC we see him grown up and named ‘Ibn Al Xuffasch’ and later incorporated into the comics in the form of Damian Wayne. Xuffasch also had a romance with Nightstar (Dick and Kory’s kid) much to Dick’s chagrin. 
-Alan Scott’s GL armor was introduced in KC that later appeared in the main universe. 
-WW’s golden eagle armor which has appeared in both the main universe and in WW84, her being the one Trinity member being willing to kill in the series which also directly paved the way for Rucka’s Sacrifice arc in which she killed Maxwell Lord. Granted she killed once during Perez’s run but the context of how it happened in Sacrifice directly pertains to KC. This lead to the false perception of Diana being a blood thirsty warrior and her thus her characterization in early Nu52 era.      
-KC Superman even showed  up in the main universe and even talking to Diana about how the main universe was turning similar to his.   
-The concept of Diana being exiled from Themyscira. In KC universe she was exiled because of her failure to change Man’s World. In JLU, 2017 Wonder Woman and Bloodlines DTV movie, her being exiled would be incorporated into her origin story instead (not for the better, if you ask me). In the Golden Age, Post Crisis and Rebirth versions, she left voluntarily with the blessings of her mother and sisters and was later able to reunite with them.    
-Even the core concept of the Infinite Crisis event of older heroes trying to impose a nostalgic outdated view of heroism on a world they deemed too dark and cynical was clearly inspired by KC.
-JLU’s Cadmus arc and the paranoia about Superman turning the JL into a super powered army, the fight with Captain Marvel on the show, things turning out for the worst despite Superman’s best intentions and Batman disproving of Superman sentencing criminals to the Phantom Zone felt like they were directly drawn from KC.   
-CW’s version of Crisis on Infinite Earths where Brandon Routh’s Superman had a costume similar to KC Superman and even has elements of his backstory like Lois, Perry and his co workers being killed by a gas attack from the Joker.  
-Even CBR exists because of KC since the site started off as a fansite for Kingdom Come before turning into a forum and later a comic book news site. So yeah, good and bad influences on the DCU all round.   
1/3 Zachary Meets Infinity Inc & Black Adam
Anyway, back to Zachary Zatara, he first debuted in Teen Titans  Vol 3 #34 and was created by Geoff Johns and Tony Daniels.   Although his first published appearance was in Teen Titans, his first chronological appearance would have been in 52; a weekly series which covered the gap year in which Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman were inactive and other heroes were filling in for them.  
Zachary showed up in 52 #21 as part of the Teen Titans team investigating the new Infinity Inc (a group of kids given super powers by Luthor).  
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Note that’s not Big Barda. That’s Little Barda. A New God who takes after Barda and clearly based off of Avia.
Zach gets off on the wrong foot with one of the Infinity Inc members:  
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Later, in the issue,  one of the Infinity Inc members was killed in battle (thanks to Luthor’s machinations) and Zach and Little Barda are seen at the funeral: 
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Note that Zach is associated with Raven.  
Later in 52 #32 Zachary is among the crowds of young heroes gathered to fight Black Adam (he’s right next to the Superboy statues palm):
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Among them is also a young, costumed Eddie Bloomberg aka Kid Devil whom we will see will be an important character for Zachary:
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In World War III #3  we get a small glimpse of Zachary fighting Black Adam as well as Raven reacting to him getting hurt (these two always had a connection):   
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And finally in the 52 #50  we see Zachary working with Zatanna and several other mages attempting to stop the rampaging Black Adam with the help of Billy Batson:   
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Zatanna and Zachary don’t share any dialogue with each other in the issue but it’s cool to see them working together as well as seeing Zatanna and Billy effectively leading the magical side of the DCU and I love that it’s Billy who figured out how to defeat Black Adam.     
2/3 Zachary & Eddie + The Teen Titans
Zachary would make single panel appearances in Teen Titans #34-38, they were from bits and pieces from Cyborg’s recordings from when he was in a coma. The ‘present’ day of these issues were set the year after the events of 52  Zach complains about Raven’s powers affecting him and we also get hints of his personality:  
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So Raven has gone missing and in between fighting super villains, the Titans go on search for her which leads them to meet Zachary.   
Zachary finally gets the spotlight in Teen Titans #39 in which we are also introduced to his assistant, Bunny and he and the Titans don’t really get along:  
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We also learn from Cyborg that his powers were only awakened recently after the events of Days of Vengeance (long story short; Spectre went crazy, Nabu died, magic died and was reborn):    
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Zachary is kind of snobbish, arrogant and rude but they are also a way for him to hide his insecurities and fears. 
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As you can see he also has history with Kid Devil/Eddie Bloomberg and we finally learn about their history and Zachary’s role in Eddie’s transformation from the kid in the suit you saw in 52 to the humanoid devil in present day in Teen Titans #42.   
So, Eddie is a huge of Blue Devil aka Dan Cassidy and idolizes him much to the latter’s chagrin , this leads to him wanting to get powers just like BD. One day he gets a strange mystical candle from a stranger which he takes to Zachary for consultation:
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So despite Zach’s warning, Eddie goes through with the deal and to no one’s surprise, his trust in Blue Devil is in fact broken, when Eddie learns that Blue Devil was indirectly responsible for his Aunt’s death.  (Long story short: Neron promised him a way to return to being BD if Daniel blew up a power plant, the latter did but the feed back ended up killing Eddie’s aunt who was miles away. Dan Cassidy kept it a secret until Eddie confronted him about it).   
So yeah,  Eddie is pretty much damned now but Zach tries to console him the best way he can, in Teen Titans #56:
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This era of Teen Titans was heavily dependent on making the Titans into a Junior Justice League. Along with Zachary, this run also introduced Miss Martian and reinvented Superboy/Connor from a fun loving Booster Gold style glory hound to the angsty black t-shirt wearing Superboy we know today and Cassie Sandsmark from the tomboyish fangirl to the cheerleader archetype. Instead of a stand alone squad the Titans were now tutored by older heroes, at least initially.   Suffice to say, this run had a huge influence on the Young Justice show.  
As for the run itself, I wasn’t a fan of how Robin, Wonder Girl and the Wonder Twins were written. Especially under Sean McKeever post Infinite Crisis (though tbf he faced a lot of editorial hurdles) but the Eddie/Zachary stuff was a highlight for me personally. 
Side note, Teen Titans #52 also gave us a peek at a possible future version of Zachary, you can tell he is evil because he has a goatee:
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Zach also showed up in Tim Drake’s Robin series (Robin vol 2 #166)  to help him out with some bad guys: 
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There are so many dark haired caucasian costumed guys around, especially in Gotham that even the villains get confused.
There are some interesting parallels between Zachary and Donna Troy. They’re both the side kicks of female heroes, both of them debuted in a title that didn’t star said female hero and they operated independently for a while before actually getting to interacting with their female mentor.   
Despite Zachary being a ‘part time’ Titan, he would show up in the 6 issue Terror Titans mini in which the Titans took on Clock King who was running a meta human fight ring.  Zachary and the Titans were captured and mind controlled to participate in the tournament and somehow Zach lost to Terra in a straight up fight:  
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 (I call bull shit, maybe he threw the fight) 
Also Zach being emotional about Kid Devil is what got him caught in the first place: 
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Meanwhile, in the main Teen Titans Eddie has managed to beat his curse and returned to normal human form.  
Then in the follow up in Teen Titans #69,  he harshly turned down Wonder Girl’s offer for Zach and other teens held prisoner by the Clock King to train with the Titans.    
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His next appearance in the Titans would be part of a back up title called Coven of Three which ran from Teen Titans #84-87.  The series starred Zachary Zatara, Traci 13 and Black Alice in which the Demon’s Three trapped them in a world that brought their deepest desires to life. All of it as part of a gambit to escape their imprisonment and threaten the world again.  
The series begins by showing Zach in the least flattering light as possible: 
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Then drops this reveal on us when Zach’s dream world is shown:  
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Yes, he had a girlfriend with unborn twins who died untimely deaths. How old is this kid anyway? Was it a teen pregnancy? Does Zatanna know? This is one of the many plot threads that could have been addressed in the Zatanna ongoing were it not for it’s untimely cancellation and the 52 reboot.    
Traci 13′s dream is a world where she is worshiped as a Goddess and Black Alice’s dream was a world where her parents were alive and they had a normal family unit. Of the three, she was the most reluctant to give up her wish. It made things more complicated because undoing the spell required the consent of all three individuals.  Zachary and Traci have relatively normal, stable lives to return to, Alice doesn’t.    
We also got this interesting scene showing the difference between a book worm mage and someone who has natural abilities but never studied actual theory:  
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Zach also brings up Eddie again and he gets a moment with Kate (his dead gf) before helping Traci undo the spell:
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The three managed to undo the spell and even agree to become teammates:  
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But there is a twist at the end where we learn that oops, even though they ‘won’, it was all still a ruse on the Demon’s parts as they’re still playing right into the demon’s hands:
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The ending also flips our view of the character. Zachary, whom in the beginning was kind of a jerk, ends up with the most sympathetic motivation of wanting to use magic to bring back his dead girlfriend and unborn child. Black Alice ends up more or less at the same spot she started in. Meanwhile, it looks like Traci 13 is on the path of actually bringing her dreams of being a goddess to reality as she keeps one of the magical items used to trap the Demons Three for herself.     
On the YJ cartoon, I wasn’t a fan of Mary being the corrupted one for various reasons. But given Traci’s characterization here, I would have rather she had been the one corrupted by power.  
It’s a neat twist and I’m disappointed that there hasn’t been any follow up to it.  Especially the part about Zach’s dead girlfriend. Zatanna and Diana need to have a talk about their respective side kicks going through all sorts of trauma in stories without either of them getting involved.  
NGL, I still find weird that the Young Justice show, which draws heavily from Geoff Johns era of Titans decided to deage Zatanna and put her on Dick’s team instead of using Zachary, who was already associated with the Titans. Plus it’s rare for a female hero to have a male side kick. But then, if Zatanna was with the adults on YJ, we’ll probably see even less of her.     
2/3 Zachary & Superman: World of New Krypton Era 
Sometime after his first appearance in Teen Titans, Zachary later showed up  in Superman #680 in which Superman fought the mythological Atlas and was getting his ass beat.   Supes realized that he needed help so he went to a magic show Zatanna was meant to headline but instead met Zachary there and the two got off to a rough start: 
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I’ve mentioned this story in another post but lets cut to the chase; Supes is a little abrasive here but lets cut him some slack, the Man of Steel was forced to leave his dog to fight his battles for him.
After getting a super charge from Zachary, Supes managed to beat Atlas but he wanted everyone to credit Krypto instead.
Zachary would have a minor role during the ‘World of New Krypton’ era of Superman comics. This was imo, the most interesting era of Superman comics which was kicked off when Superman rescued the shrunken bottled city of Kandor and restored it to full size on.......earth. So now the inhabitants on earth are neighbors with a thousands of Kryptonians and not all of them are as nice as Superman.
This event was like a tide for the Superman books and supporting cast, I can’t think of another era (besides maybe Death of Superman) that elevated supporting characters like Supergirl, Guardian, Dr Light/Kimiyo Hoshi, Captain Atom while also reviving Silver Age characters like Mon-El, Flamebird and Nightwing/Chris Kent (hey, remember him? he was the proto Jon Kent).    
Zachary and Zatanna appeared in Action Comics #873 along with the ‘Sentinel of Magic’ where they cast a spell to ward off a group of hostile Kryptonians and we also get a peek of Zatanna mentoring Zachary:   
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The Zatara’s and the Marvel Family should team up more, imo. Plus it’s cool to see them doing combos and this is a great follow up from their appearance in 52. Their team work is better here and they’re doing combos now.   
In Superman #690, Zachary is meeting one of his stage hands who has something important to tell him when they are suddenly interrupted by Parasite:   
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Mark Merlin is an old Golden Age character, the writer, James Robinson (who also wrote Starman) is a huge fan of Golden Age characters.   
I’m normally not a fan of jerkass protagonists but Zachary is a little different. His arrogance and aloofness serves as a mask to hide his insecurities and cowardiance. Plus you know Zee would whoop his ass if he really crossed the line.   
In a sudden twist though, we learn in Superman #692 that the man Zachary was talking to was not Mark Merlin, but Mirabai; a sorceress who agreed to become an ally for General Sam Lane in his anti-Kryptonian war in exchange for him loaning her a brainwashed Captain Atom so she can rule her realm (called the Sorcerers World) with an iron fist.   
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Zachary appeared in the Captain Atom back up series in Action Comics that ran from Action Comics #879-889. Zachary appeared in #887-889 as an unwitting slave to MIrabai. He doesn’t really get to do much here, the story is centered on Captain Atom who has managed to break out of the Mirabai’s mind control and joined the rebels to help them over throw Mirabai.  
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He succeeds only to find out that one of his ally’s was actually the wizard Mordru (I’ve mentioned him before in relation to Dr Fate) in disguise who quickly banished Zachary back to the mortal world:  
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But he is friendly with Captain Atom, telling him that the latter could come back to his realm at any time.    
This issue also came with preview pages for Zatanna’s solo series by Paul Dini and Stephane Roux which is where we meet Zachary next:   
Side note: Mirabai would make a good foe for Zachary and by extension Zatanna (’nobody enslaves my cousin!’).   
3/3 Zachary & Zatanna
Finally, when Zatanna’s own ongoing was launched in 2010, we finally got to see what their relationship was like.
Zachary showed up in Zatanna #04-06 written by Paul Dini and we finally get a little backstory on them including this flashback showing a teenage Zatanna teaching a young Zachary:   
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Zatanna promises to show up for Zachary’ next show but fails because an evil casino owner who made a deal with a literal demon hypnotizes her to marry him so he can sell her soul in exchange for immortality.    
Zachary is at first, pissed when Zatanna doesn’t show up...
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  but ends up helping  her escape from the evil casino owner while also bickering like siblings:     
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The issue walks a fine line between not rendering Zatanna a damsel in distress, giving her agency in saving herself while also allowing Zachary to contribute to the story. 
At the end, she finally does manage to make it to one of his performances:  
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He showed up next in Zatanna #14  written by Adam Beechen which starts out with Zatanna chewing him out for screwing up a joint performance:   
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Zach, predictably doesn’t listen and ends up getting into trouble which his cousin had to bail him out of:   
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Part of what makes the Zatanna/Zachary dynamic so fun is that both Zatanna and her father are often portrayed as heroic and selfless (even if they have some morally gray moments at times) but Zach is more self absorbed and arrogant which forces Zatanna to be more up front in dealing with her side kick.  It also gives Zach a character arc; his hubris is a cover for his cowrdiance and insecruities thus his story arc is one about overcoming them to become a better person.   
They also worked together during the Reign In Hell event which is set sometime before Zatanna’s series, I’m posting this here because I found Zach’s impudence here to be hilarious: 
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You know you done fucked up when even Jason Blood is horrified.   
Post Nu52, Zachary disappeared but he did show up in Raven: Daughter of Darkenss, a 12 issue limited series by Marv Wolfman as part of the Nightforce:   
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I haven’t read it yet and it’s the kind of thing that deserves it’s own separate post anyway.  
Finally, in 2021, a Suicide Squad book was among the titles in DC’s Round Roubin (basically, vote for whichever title you want to read the most otherwise it won’t see the light of day) with Zachary on the roster. The title never made it past the rounds and was never published but we did get some preview pages, Zach screwed up royally and has to work with the Squad to make up for it:   
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Thank god this was never published, all I can imagine is Zatanna downing a whole bottle of alcohol and screaming after hearing this.   
That’s about it for his major appearances to this date. Now for some FAQ’s before wrapping this up and also check out the Recommended Reading List at the very bottom: 
Who Are His Parents?  
Zachary’s parents have never appeared on panel and has never been mentioned.  Sure, in Earth-22 Kingdom Come universe, ‘John Zatara’ is the son of Zatanna and John Constantine but as you can see there are differences between ‘John Zatara’ and the ‘Zachary Zatara’ here.       
Zatanna having an adult son either in the Pre Nu52 universe or the Rebirth timeline doesn’t make much sense timeline wise unless you go down the path of convoluted retcons involving aged up magical babies and false memories ala Pre Crisis Dinah Laurel Lance. You also have to consider the flashbacks showing teen Zatanna training kid Zachary, how they interact like cousins/siblings instead of mother/son and they refer to each other as cousins even when they are by themselves. .
That said, there is no indication in Giovanni’s backstory of him having any siblings either but not enough to completely rule out the possibility either. It’s possible that he had an estranged brother or Giovanni himself became distant from his own family or he had an uncle and Zachary is his cousin first removed.
Also, this is just my opinion, but I can’t really see Zatanna as a mom. Even with characters like I like seeing her dating (whether it’s Blue Devil, Joshua, Batman, sometimes Dick Grayson).  I can see Wonder Woman, Mera, Big Barda and Catwoman being mothers but never got that vibe from Zee. Sure she’s great with kids but I never got the ‘mom’ vibe from her character. She always struck me as a Helen Mirren type who would remain childless but fulfilled even into her old age.   
I have a few guesses as to who his parents could be in the pre Nu52 timeline:  
-Fulcanelli. A minor character that appeared in Fate #10 (click here for more). Zatanna initially introduces him as a friend of her fathers. He’s an alchemist who is burdened with the cost of magic. At the climax of the issue, right before he is turned into a gold statue, Zatanna calls him uncle while in turn he calls her niece.  Whether it was just an affectionate term, like she thought of him as an uncle despite not being related or if they were actually blood related was never clarified. Plus Zatanna has referred to people she isn’t blood related to as uncles or aunts, like the time she called Rose Psychic her Aunt during Reign In Hell.  
But suppose Fulcanelli and Zatara’s were blood related, Zachary’s father being an alchemist could explain why his power doesn’t work on anything organic.   
-Giovanni himself. 
Which would make Zatanna and Zachary into siblings as well which also fits their banter in the comic books. My theory in this case is that they share the same father but different mothers.  Giovanni has been associated with multiple women, both romantically and non romantically; Madame Xanadu, Charity from Starman and Tigress. He was smitten by Madame Xanadu and outright said he wanted to make babies with her but the latter turned him down since she was aware of his future. Their relationship never moved beyond friends with benefits but it would be interesting if she ever did take up on his offer after Sindella’s first death. 
The other option would be Tigress; the classic enemy-to-lovers trope. Tigress was a thief and a normal human who was Zatara’s main nemesis and sometimes-ally during the Golden Age. There are no stories where their relationship turned romantic but imagine if it did at some point but for whatever reason it didn’t work out, they divorced and Tigress had custody of Zachary. The flashback of teen Zatanna training a young Zachary could have taken place during brief visitations. It also fits Zachary’s stated origin that his powers were only awakened after the events of Days of Vengeance, especially if one or both of his parents are human.  It also explains Zatanna telling Flash that she doesn’t have a family in JLA: Crisis of Conscience, technically she wasn’t lying as this scenario involves Tigress separating herself from the Zataras. But then Zach got his powers and started following in his father’s footsteps and the two started to bond again. It also contextualizes Zachary’s ego; he is trying to reject his mother’s villainous roots and trying to embrace his father’s heroic side. 
Still, this is just what my speculation.  
Who knows what Johns, Robinson and Dini had actually planned though.  Maybe they were intending for him to be Zatanna and Constantine’s son and had a convoluted explanation involving wizards and genies and time travel involved.   
Is Zachary Queer? 
Zach has never been confirmed to be queer but I noticed that he does have a queer fanbase and his close friendship with Kid Devil aka Eddie Bloomberg can be interpreted as such. They just have that vibe to them.  He also does have a relationship with Bunny, his stage assistant but that could just mean he is either bi sexual or polysexual.  Folks are free to interpret him however they like.  
I’m supportive of the head canon that Zachary is queer and him being in a relationship with Eddie totally works.   
I hope Zachary returns one day. He would be perfect for JLD and I love his dynamic with Zee and an appearance there is long over due.  
Litnu txen emit! 
Recommended Reading
-52:  #21, #50  (also World War III #3)
-Teen Titans Vol 3:   #34-38, #39, #42, #52, #69 (after Terror Titans) 
-Terror Titans #1-6
-Robin Vol 2 #166
-Teen Titans #83-87. Coven of Three back up with Zachary, Traci 13 and Black Alice.  
-Superman #680,  #683 (which is followed up in Action Comics #873), #687    
-Superman #690 followed by #692 and the rest of the story is picked up in  Action Comics #887-889 Captain Atom back up.   
-Zatanna #4-6 and #14.  
-Raven: Daughter of Darkness #1-12  
If there is anything you would like me to add or remove, let me know.
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distort-opia · 2 years
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Ghostbat is absolutely sending me on multiple levels, and it’s just. It’s fascinating. The way Bruce is nearly exclusively attracted to dark and dangerous individuals is so consistent at this point, that anyone arguing against Bruce being shipped with an anti-hero/villain with “But they killed people!! Bruce would never--” is an absolute clown :)))
Didn’t Selina kill Black Mask? Also she was imprisoned for the murder of like hundreds of people at the beginning of King’s run; Bruce had no proof at the time she didn’t really do it, but he still went “Nope, actually, I’ll stick by you.” Then you have Talia, the literal mother of Bruce’s child -- who also killed multiple people. Nocturna wasn’t a saint either, that’s for sure; depending on continuity she at the very least had a murder attempt. And tbh, shoutout to her for calling Bruce out on his bullshit for being repeatedly drawn to dangerous women. Then there’s the murderous, treacherous Jezebel Jet, whom I like a lot just because Morrison had Bruce downright admit it, in Batman: R.I.P --  that he was attracted to her because of her darkness. Hell, even if you stray further to more distant love interests he’s been given, like Wonder Woman; didn’t she kill Maxwell Lord?
Bruce befriended Harvey, and then Harvey ended up a murderous villain. Bruce’s childhood friend, Tommy Elliott, ended up being a murderous villain. And now we get Minhkhoa Khan, who apparently started the whole pattern, since the guy killed his and Bruce’s master in front of him with a gun, sending Bruce in pretty much a PTSD flashback, and Bruce was still like “Oh it was self-defense? Sure!” only then to ride with Khoa into the sunset. Not to mention the fact Ghostmaker killed dozens of people in his introduction in Batman (2016) #102-105, which Bruce just entirely breezed over.
While it is funny, it’s also... deeply sad, I suppose. In The Knight, one thing that really struck me as well done was the deep sense of loneliness Bruce has. He clearly feels very alone, and wishes to have someone like him, so much so that when Khoa turns out not to be the person he wished he was, it “breaks his heart.” And later on, despite the things Khoa has said and done, Bruce’s need for connection outweighs his sense of morality or his trauma, even. If you take into account what happened with Khoa, Bruce then befriending Harvey in his first year as Batman, and having a similar thing happen, despite him trying to trust someone again -- that must’ve hurt. Hell, him being so cautious about Clark makes perfect sense, all things considered. Even if he genuinely believes Clark is inherently a good person, he can’t fully trust him, and well... [gestures vaguely to all of the above] who can blame him.
And yet he can’t help it! He keeps trying to make connections with people who he thinks might understand him, going as far as to overlook them being killers. The darkness they have speaks to his, but never fully. Bruce is such a goddamn walking tragedy, because he’s not fully hero, and he’s not fully villain... In the end, his relationships with people from either side end up in conflict over delving too far into the dark, or over Bruce not being able to climb up far enough into the light. That line he walks makes it so difficult for him to maintain relationships, even though he clearly can start them.
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guardianjameslight · 11 months
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How, in my opinion, DCEU should've been made.
For the record, I enjoyed most of the DCEU, but I think it could've been done better.
-OK, we start with Man of Steel, I don't think there's really need to change much in a plot.
-Then we make Batman where we see him fighting crime across the years, recruiting Robin, apprehending Deadshot, Harley, the beginning of his rivalry with Deathstroke that would explain why Slade hates him so much. No killing Dick Grayson because that's wasting character potential. Instead, he would leave to act as a solo hero, which would lead to him becoming Nightwin.
-Wonder Woman movie that would pretty much stay the same. The only difference would be lack of the opening scene in today's time.
-Batman V Superman Dawn of Justice, only maybe without Batman killing people, and maybe brainwashed Superman by Luthor to fight Batman.
-The Flash movie where we see his origin, getting his powers, etc. I think the main antagonists would be The Rogues (Reverse Flash would appear in sequel).
-Aquaman movie, where the main antagonist would be Black Manta (Orm would serve as an overarching antagonist that would be a mysterious benefactor of Manta). Mera and Vulko would also appear to help Arthur with Manta.
-Justice League movie where most would remain the way it was in Snyder Cut, only with few differences.
At this, we would start getting sequels and movies about new characters. (The order could be different)
-Batman 2, where he would continue to fight crime. More members of Bat Family could be introduced like Batgirl and Jason Todd or Tim Drake. Dick would return as Nightwing. The main antagonists could be the Court of Owls or League of Shadows.
-Wonder Woman 2 that would take place in the present day, and the main antagonist would be Cheetah.
-The Flash 2 would focus on Barry learning more about his powers and attempts to prove his father's innocence. The main antagonist would be Reverse Flash, who turns out to be murderer of Barry's mother.
-Cyborg movie that would focus on Vic's attempts to go back to having "normal" life. There could be more exploration of his and Barry's friendship. The main antagonist would be The Grid, which would begin as a virus in Vic's body before obtaining his own body.
-Aquaman 2, which would have most of the plot of the 2018 movie with Arthur fighting Orm to take back the throne.
-Man of Steel 2, which would focus on Clark trying to go back to his life and taking the next step in his relationship with Lois. Supergirl would appear, and the main antagonist would be Brainiac.
-Shazam movie that would remain the same. The only major difference would be a Superman appearance that would tease Billy to join the Justice League.
-Green Arrow movie that would show his origins, etc. Black Cannary would appear, the Dark Archer would be the main antagonist, and Batman would make an appearance.
-Suicide Squad movie, in this version, the Squad would be formed because of the fear of the government of new Meta-Humans that started to appear after the formation of Justice League. The main antagonist would be The Joker.
-Justice League 2, the main antagonist, would the Legion of Doom led by Luthor, and it would focus on trying to find the Anti-life equation. There would be few new members of the League and big tease about Darkseid coming to earth.
This is the "Phase 3" where we come to the Great finale
Batman 3, that would focus on Bruce trying to come up with a solution on how to prevent the future he had dreams about from coming true. He would also prepare his family to live without him. It would also show the end of his rivalry with Deathstroke.
-Wonder Woman 3, here are 2 ideas for the plot, 1) The main antagonist would be Maxwell Lord, which would be more comic accurate than the version we've seen in the 1984 movie. 2) It would show Diana coming back to Themyscira, which would face the ancient threat connected to the Gods. I think Shazam could also appear to help Diana in the fight.
-Cyborg 2, unfortunately I don't have an idea for this movie, if you do then share.
Aquaman 3, I think here could be used the plot of Lost Kingdom.
-The Flash 3, here the plot of his 2023 movie with Flashpoint, could be used. But it wouldn't change Batmans or anything, but it would delay a bit Darkseid arrival and would give a possibility to change the future Bruce has seen.
-Shazam 2, I think here some part of the plot of the Fury of the Gods could stay.
-Black Adam movie, that would be way more connected to the Shazam movies. Shazam and Superman would also appear.
-Green Arrow 2, here I also don't have an idea for a plot.
-Green Lantern movie, here I think we could introduce both Hal Jordan and John Stewart. The main antagonist would be Sinestro.
-Suicide Squad 2, here plot of The Suicide Squad could be used.
-Peacemaker show, pretty much the same.
-Man of Steel 3, Lois would be revealed to be pregnant, so she and Clark would start thinking about the life they want to have. Batman could also appear with a major role. I don't know who could be the main antagonist.
-Justice League 3, which would serve as a big finale, some of Snyder's ideas could be used like earth uniting against Darkseid and Batman sacrificing himself to save Lois.
I know it looks like MCU plan, but that's exactly the point, DCEU problem was that they tried to catch up with Marvel while they should do this slowly, step by step.
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hitchell-mope · 29 days
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The endgame couples in the My Universe au
Karamel. They get married at the start of season four and have twin sons called Eddie and Tony Danvers at the start of season six
Dansen. Same as canon
Brainia. Same as canon.
James x Lucy. Neither of them leave in this one.
Winn x Samantha. Think mondler. But Monica already has a daughter.
William x Andrea. He doesn’t die and they dance together at the dansen wedding.
Cat x Morgan. Neither of them leave. He’s not a textbook misogynist to make Lena look better. And they dance together at the dansen wedding.
Maxwell x Lena. She dies in the finale. And he gets arrested.
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kilowogcore · 1 year
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I've reached th' part in my readthrough of Kilowog's comic appearances when I joined up with Maxwell Lord's Justice League. An' ya know what that means? Guillotine jokes! Reblog with your favorite!
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thekillingvote · 8 months
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Excerpted introduction from "72 Votes: Theorizing the Scapegoat Sidekick in Batman: A Death in the Family" by Kwasu Tembo, essay collected in The Detective's Companion in Crime Fiction: A Study in Sidekicks
Introduction: 1–900s and Crowbars
There has been surprisingly little scholarly attention paid towards the death of arguably the most famous sidekick in comic book history—Batman’s companion, Robin. Although Dick Grayson is the most famous iteration of Robin, Jason Todd represents perhaps the most editorially and commercially problematic holder of the mantle. In Jim Starlin and Jim Aparo’s 1988–1989 Batman story arc, A Death in the Family (here-after ADITF), the then Robin (Jason Todd) is captured by the Joker and near-fatally bludgeoned with a crowbar. Left lying unconscious in a pool of his own blood, the Joker abandons Jason in a warehouse rigged to explode via delayed detonation. Perhaps the most unique aspect of this arc is that, unlike the death of Maxwell Lord at the hands of Wonder Woman, Superman’s ‘death’ at the hands of Doomsday, or Supergirl’s death at the hands of the Anti-Monitor, the death of Jason Todd was not purely an executive decision. Jason did not enjoy the widespread popularity of his predecessor in the Robin role, Dick Grayson, and DC Comics and then Batman editor Dennis O’Neil later observed that, since ‘letters and conversations with fans indicated that few admired [Jason], many were indifferent to him, and a substantial number hated him’, it was better to ‘let the reader decide Jason’s fate’, instead of making a concerted editorial decision requiring redrafting the character (O’Neil 1993: 4). In order to do this, DC Comics set up two 1–900 number 50-cent hotlines which gave callers the ability to vote in favour of or against his death—thus generating publicity for the Batman title while also potentially ridding the comic of an unpopular character. Over 10,000 votes were cast. The final results of the vote were 5343 for and 5271 against, and Jason’s fate was sealed. For all intents and purposes this arc, which received substantial mass media attention (and some criticism), appeared to be tantamount to a public execution. But, as I will argue, it can be more thoroughly understood as a complex form of scapegoating.
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Scottish lawyer, orator, naval officer, politician and anti-nuclear campaigner  Willie MacRae was born on May 18th 1923 at Carron, Falkirk.
McRae edited a local newspaper in Grangemouth at the same time as reading history at the University of Glasgow, from which he gained a first-class degree. In the Second World War he was commissioned into the Seaforth Highlanders but transferred to the Royal Indian Navy, in which he became a lieutenant commander and aide-de-camp to Admiral Lord Mountbatten.
Willie became an active member of the Scottish National Party and an anti-nuclear dumping campaigner, he was also the author of the maritime law of Israel and emeritus professor at the University of Haifa.
In both of the 1974 General Elections and in the 1979 General Election he stood for Parliament as the SNP candidate for Ross and Cromarty. In October 1974 he only lost to the Conservative Hamish Gray by 633 votes, but in 1979 Gray's majority increased to 4,735. In the latter year he also contested the SNP leadership, coming third in a three-way contest with 52 votes to Stephen Maxwell's 117 votes and winner Gordon Wilson's 530 votes.
Willie MacRae has become more famous since his death , than during his life, the events of which have often been debated and written about.
Willie left his Glasgow flat in the early evening of 5th April 1985, to spend the week at his cottage at Ardelve near Dornie. He was not seen again until the following morning around 10:00, when two Australian tourists saw his Volvo Estate car lying on the moor a short distance from the junction of the A87 and A887 roads, about 30 yds  from the roadway, straddling a burn. 
The tourists flagged down the next car to pass by, which turned out to be driven by a doctor, Dorothy Messer, accompanied by her fiancé as well as David Coutts, a Dundee SNP councillor who knew Willie MacRae very well. It was discovered that Willie was in the car.   He was not wearing a seat belt. Another car was sent to call the emergency services. Dr Messer examined Willie and found that he was still alive and breathing. She noted that one of his pupils was dilated, indicating the possibility of brain damage, and estimated that he had been in that state for 10 hours.
Willie was removed by ambulance to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness, accompanied by Dr Messer. On arrival it was decided to transfer him to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary. At Aberdeen it was realised that the incident was more than a road accident; six hours after he had been found, a nurse washing his head discovered what appeared to be the entry wound of a gunshot. An X-ray confirmed that Willie McRae had been shot above his right ear and a bullet was detected in his head. His brain was severely damaged and his vital functions very weak. 
The following day, on Sunday 7th of April, after consultation with his next of kin, Willie MacRae's life-support machine was switched off. An investigation into Willies death was headed by Chief Superintendent Andrew Lester of Northern CID. 
Willies car was moved around midday 7th April. It later transpired that the police had kept no record of the precise location where the car had been found, and the position stated by them was later found to be 1 mile (1.6 km) in error, and was corrected by a witness who had been present at the scene.
A weapon was found the following day, in the burn, over which the car had been discovered, 60 ft  from the vehicle. It was a Smith and Wesson .45 revolver belonging to Willie MacRae which had been fired twice. No fingerprints were found on the gun, despite MacRae not wearing gloves when he was found.
Although it was ruled at the time by authorities that Willie  Mcrae's death was a suicide, the official account has been disputed, some claiming that the distance from Macrae's car at which the gun was found and the lack of fingerprints on it rendered such a verdict, not credible.
At the time of his death, McRae had been working to counter plans to dump nuclear waste from the Dounreay Nuclear Power Development Establishment into the sea. Due to his house being burgled on repeated occasions prior to his death, he had taken to carrying a copy of the documents relating to his Dounreay work with him at all times. They were not found following his death, and the sole other copy which was kept in his office was stolen when it was burgled, no other items being taken.
Since then there have been many calls for the case to be reopened, and in my opinion, rightly so.  I, and many others are of the opinion that his death was an assassinated by British establishment.
The cairn and plaque erected near the spot in the West Highlands marks here McRae was found. 
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thewriting-corner · 2 years
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Is this the stupidest post I have ever made? Yes. 100% yes, and that is including my “Writers As Weird Things I Say To My Pets” post. It’s no secret that my biggest green flag in a guy is he’s not real, so today we all get to go in an adventure of the one time in my life I have good taste. Let’s goooo
Conrad Fisher (The Summer I Turned Pretty)
- Writes reallyyyy angsty stuff
- But will have the fluffiest romance
- Grumpy x sunshine trope
- Loves having the “tough exterior, but heart of gold” MC
- The hero always wins in the end
Percy Jackson (do I really need to specify what book he’s from)
- writes morally grey heroes but doesn’t realize it unless someone else points it out
- Happy endings >>>>
- Refuses to kill characters
- All the parents are happy and alive
- writes adventure
- listens to music to “concentrate” but ends up singing
Orion Maxwell (A Cuban Girl’s Guide To Tea And Tomorrow)
- historic fiction for win
- Loves soft contemporary stories
- Would do anything for their characters
- Doesn’t believe in outlines
- Is too busy enjoying life to actually write, but never stops thinking about their wips
Jacks (Once Upon A Broken Heart series)
- everyone is morally grey. There’s no pure evil or pure good
- LOTS of plot twists
- There’s always a hidden gem in the plot
- Loves mystery subplots
- “Villain” gets the girl
- Very well planned outlines
- Will listen to “Anti-Hero” by Taylor Swift to get in the mood to write
Lord Tewksbury (Enola Holmes movies)
- cannot write a fight scene to save their life
- knife wielding bad ass girl x soft lowkey stupid boy is their favorite trope
- likes adding real life elements into their stories
- would rather read than write, but won’t stop daydreaming stories
Emperor Kai (The Lunar Chronicles)
- so. many. speeches
- loves a good contemporary but has a soft spot for fantasy/sci-fi
- is still learning to write dialogue
- edits as they write
- will also edit the outline
- still, finds it impossible to control the characters
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