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lore-of-the-silvereyes-rwby · 1 year

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The impact of truth upon rwby

Questions asked by @angstandhappiness

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I would like to get your thoughts on these as well as they do pertain to similar subjects that we have talked about in the past.

What do you think of Ozpin's choice on choosing Pyrrha to be the new Fall Maiden?

On paper it seems ideal but like any candidate chosen or given a job or task it's the then and there do you see whether or not it was a good choice and selection to make that person the one for the job or in this case Pyrrha as the Fall Maiden.

Truth be told when Oz made this choice there is a very high possibility that he didn’t know Pyrrha as much as he needed to and this is due to Pyrrha herself.

Personally I think Pyrrha more or less was having the same problem as any teen that could have been resolved had she talked and shared her thoughts about it instead of bottling up her emotions and just going with the flow.

Had that been known chances are Ozpin wouldn’t have chosen her to have been the Fall maiden but in all honesty and truth there weren’t that many options if you had to choose a good natured candidate to be an all powerful elemental avatar so yeah on paper she seemed like an ideal choice but once you read in between the lines it's a 50/50 gamble on whether or not it will pay off.

What is your opinion on Ozpin withholding the truth from his current allies of Salem's true invulnerability and immortality?

First off she is not invulnerable, maybe fast healing but not invulnerable if V8 is proof of anything.

Second to answer this one I have to invoke the old question that Dr. Oobleck asked team RWBY; Why did they become Huntsmen and Huntressesin the first place?

Before Salem was even a thing to the main characters they seemed pretty ok spending their lives knowing they can never eradicate the Grimm so that does beg the question; What’s the difference between then and now?

All they know now is that the Grimm have a leader and that just like them they can never truly eradicate the threat of her but beyond that what has really changed?

Does knowing that you can never beat or kill the final boss that is actively trying to kill you, your friends and every defenseless innocent really going to discourage you from doing whatever you can to help hinder said enemy and defend everyone you care or will care for?

No unless you have resolved to continue on with the fight and endure knowing that you may not succeed, and that those of good may continue to fail for thousands of years after you but they will not stop. All it takes for evil to truly succeed is if good people do nothing.

Now why do I bring up this highly philosophical theory is because everything that I just said is what is more or less Ozpin’s resolve and why he didn’t share the truth about Salem’s immortality with his allies; They are not Heroes who joined him to counter Salem

Other than Ruby Rose every single one of Ozpin’s allies did not join his fight against salem because they were altruistic or charitable enough to lend a helping hand for the greater good, no just like their choice to be huntsmen and huntresses they are not in this fight because it's the right thing to do, they are in it hoping that it will help serve their own personal needs and goals

In short the overall reason why Ozpin didn’t share the truth is because almost all of his allies are not true or real heroes that are on his side because it’s the right thing to do.

To help further explore this point here’s a list of goals and motives for some of Ozpin’s allies for either being huntsmen or being in this conflict and why they prove that they did not deserve the truth

These will also lead into the next question.

Team RWBY

Weiss;

Goal; redeem the Schnee family name & SDC.

Motive; prove that she is nothing like her father.

Why they didn’t deserve to know about salem’s immortality; All her efforts and goals are self serving and tend and will only benefit her so that she may not feel so guilty about being a rich girl with a monopoly on the words most relied and needed resource to survive on

Sidenote; I’m not familiar with the inner workings of shady corporations or questionable business practices but i'm pretty sure being a monster slayer is not going to expose and remove Jaques from power so can someone tell me why Weiss couldn’t have done a whistleblower operation or corporate espionage instead of becoming a Huntress because honestly besides the fame and notoriety I don’t think there was any legitimate reason for Weiss to be a huntress (Like do Huntsmen double as PI’s or something?)

Blake;

Goal; Faunus equality/ Making things right with her friends

Side note; not gonna lie I don’t even know what her goals are anymore as her character at this point has been reduced to a love interest for Yang

Motive; Better life for herself/ Redemption for being both an enabler and coward

Why they didn’t deserve to know about salem’s immortality; Just like Weiss, her goals and motives are also self serving in the sense that it opens more opportunities in life for blake as well as to put her mind at ease for being an ex terrorist as well as abandoning her friends and family in the past

Yang;

Goal; Find out why Raven abandoned her

Side note; Honestly this could have been resolved had anyone just told her that her mom was a psychopathic murderer who would rather kill than be part of a family

Motive; Besides knowing the truth for why Raven is awful she is also motivated by thrill seeking adventures and danger

Side note; there might be a bit of revenge and resentment added to her motives post V3 due to being framed losing her arm and being abandoned by almost everyone she had known

Why they didn’t deserve to know about salem’s immortality; Besides being the daughter of a person that uses Ozpin’s teachings and power for evil, Yang is another example of someone who only does things that benefit herself and could care less about what happens(not unlike Raven)

Sidenote; if V5 & V6 are anything they prove that Yang is more or less the first one to walk away, and doesn't give a damn about the Salem conflict and will have left had Ruby not been there to stay.

Team JNPR

Jaune;

Goal; Become a Huntsmen to prove himself to his family and be a hero

Motive; apparently he is the family disappointment

Sidenote; Revenge for Pyrrah may be a motive post Fall of Beacon

Why they didn’t deserve to know about salem’s immortality; besides lying, cheating and forging transcripts to get into beacon Jaune is another example of a self serving huntsmen with the added bonus that he should never have been involved in the first place

Sidenote; I can’t say for certain why Ozpin allowed Jaune to continue as a student in Beacon with forged transcripts but I doubt a reincarnating benign with 1000+ years of experience wouldn’t recognize forgery so for the benefit of the doubt lets assume that Ozpin decided to go with a 50/50 gamble either A.) Jaune becomes a great huntsmen or B.) he dies either way Jaune got what he wanted and Ozpin wins.

Nora;

Goal; Be with Ren/ Find self worth independent from Ren(Later)

Motive; Not to be alone and abandoned again

Sidenote; V8 really gave Nora depth as a character as to be honest she more or less was a flat character

Why they didn’t deserve to know about salem’s immortality; Honestly besides Ruby, and Pyrrah Nora more or less had a decent 50/50 chance to have been involved in the Salem conflict however Nora Pre V6 wasn’t exactly the most reliable or secretive individual from Ozpin’s perspective and in all honesty had very little relevance or motive to be involved in the Salem conflict

Ren;

Goal; Become a Huntsmen

Sidenote; Possibly wanting to prevent others from having to lose what he had lost

Motive; Grief and anger from being orphaned by the Grimm

Sidenote; Basically he’s batman with the whole I am vengeance thing

Why they didn’t deserve to know about Salem's immortality; If later volumes after V4 are anything Ren isn’t exactly one of the most emotionally stable people to trust as his character during the Atlas arc is more or less akin to a whiny emotional b!7(# while trying to be emo and besides that just like Nora he had very little relevance or motive to be part of the Salem conflict

And Yes even though it was a Grimm that orphaned Ren I doubt Salem sent the Knuckleleave just to orphan Ren and in truth the destruction of Kuroyuri is ore or less akin to that of a wild animal attack, just a random act of nature that serves no purpose

Other

Qrow

Goal; Find friendship and protect the only real family he has left

Motive; Self worth and loneliness

Why they didn’t deserve to know about salem’s immortality; Besides the fact that originally he was to use Ozpin’s teachings as a huntsmen to rob and kill innocent people

Ironwood

Goal; Ensure Atlas(the source of his power) is absolute and will endure

Motive; Obtaining power to feed his ego and hero complex

Why they didn’t deserve to know about salem’s immortality; to put it in short Ironwood only ever say the Salem conflict as a opportunity to increase Atlesian influence and superiority as well as a means to increase his own rule and power and being the opposite of everything that Ozpin stood for and tried to achieve

Sidenote; Ozpin wasn’t about seizing power or creating an unchallenged rule or seeking glory. Ozpin was doing what was best to help guide and nurture the good for the people of remnant, not to rule or control them with little care like Ironwood did.

Sidenote; I’ve done an entire analysis series on Ironwood explaining why

As you can see a majority of Ozpin’s allies really shouldn’t have been involved in the first place due to just what kind of people they are and probably still are by the time of the show's present. But due to circumstances and the choices of a few people they are involved do to either need or accident regardless of who they are and what they hope to achieve which is enough just cause and reason for why Ozpin didn’t tell them about Salem’s immortality

Because it was none of their business and by far beyond any of their capabilities combined as in truth the conflict with Salem is truly only Oz’s. Those are my reasons why none of these people were told the truth about Salem’s immortality as well as why they didn’t need or deserve to know as well. With that I’ll be moving on to the next question.

How do you think he should have told them, and when?

I just gave a whole lot of reasons why they shouldn’t have been told and if you noticed Ruby isn’t apart of that list because out of all Oz’s allies I do see Ruby as being the first if only person that Ozpin would have told the truth about Salem’s immortality because unlike the others her goals and motives aren’t self serving or a means to an end.

Ruby is content with being a huntress and is more or less willing to spend her days as one knowing she will die but still helps people along the way regardless of what the situation is or what the outcome will be.

But if Oz had to tell them it would probably have happened after they secured the relic in Atlas first and probably before Ironwood's descent into warmongering which lead to his eventual insanity in V8.

But that is besides the point, for you see this conflict with Salem is and always has been Oz’s problem and his problem only and everyone else could only really do is lend a helping hand and nothing more. Because of the sad truth and reality, what can they do? It doesn’t matter if they are all powerful, if all the grimm are extinct or if the world is under their control. Salem and Oz are basically timeless beings now and everyone around them will die and everything they have achieved will be undone one way or another.

And even then Defeating and Killing Salem is not the end goal of Oz’s mission. Salem may be the biggest obstacle at the moment but her being out of the picture doesn't mean or guarantee that things will be better for everyone.

Regardless of whether or not the main cast succeed and defeat Salem and she finally dies, Oz will still be there, once all of RWBY & JNR die Oz will still be there, and in in either hundred or a thousand years later after all of this Oz will still be there and will still be there after until he either succeeds in his mission in uniting Remnant in peace or until the Ozma soul has become so stretched and diminished to the point that the soul may no longer be able to reincarnate and eventually fade away into non existence. No afterlife, no heaven or hell, no rest just gone.

It's a sad but likely outcome for Oz because the story of the show and overall conflict with Salem isn’t a tale about power or dominance or about hope and fellowship.

It is a tale about, Human evil and all that it encompasses which leads to the consequences that is the overall theme between Salem and Oz and those that become involved; A tale of Death and the desire for deathlessness.

For better or worse or for good or evil, all thing must come to an end in order for the tale to progress and move forward otherwise the great old tales will never end and history repeats itself and were back at square one

These are my thoughts to these questions let me know what you think?

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etincelleart · 11 months

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About your last penny post:

Penny didn't turn into a human, the bew body lool like a human body, but when the robot body scan it, it saw only aura.

Another hint that we not done with her.

(And about the blood thing..., Grimms bleeds too, and they defently not human).

Hmm this is something I'm actually a bit confused since Volume 8. The thing is that when we see Penny's Aura in the vision of Penny's robot body destroying itself, I took this as a confirmation that her Aura was really transfered into a human body and not in her robot body anymore. To me, it was more to confirm to the viewer that her Aura and soul was really into this new human body, and not in the robot body, it was extracted from it. At least, this is my interpretation for it. I believe it even more when we see her being injured by Cinder later, and then killed by Jaune. She bleeds and looks like human, I feel like she truly got a human body formed because of her Aura with Ambrosius' help.

Also I didn't know that Grimm could bleed ? But if that's the case then idk. I'd love to know about it but maybe we'll have answers in future volumes !

#rwby #rwbyv8 #rwby volume 8 #penny #penny polendina #blood #human #grimm

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oddlyhale · 1 year

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I had this awful theory that Jaune, now in Wonderland after murdering Penny and now looking all sad in the opening, will become the new tin man that needs to find his heart.

Oh you know, Jaune thinks he's a bad guy for doing his job (even though that's exactly what Ironwood was doing) and now he thinks he's a monster for killing Penny, which may prompt the girls to help him find his heart again - that he still has it and he's not like Ironwood, etc etc.

Cuz I remember in the RWBYV8 commentary track, the writers were giving us the "oh, poor Jaune, he's got so much on his shoulders and all he was doing was his job as a Huntsman."

So, if my theory is correct - which I hope it's not and the tin man is just the new blacksmith or whatever - I'm gonna find RT headquarters and eat the last bit of food out of their fridges, which isn't much.

#rwde #theory

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kizzycannon · 3 years

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So uh what if Zwei just shows up I dunno

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#my art #fanart #RWBY #rwby8 #rwbyv8 #rwby9 #zwei #bumbleby #comic strip #I wouldn't be surprised tbh #I finally had another dumb idea of something to draw for myself lol

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yangstears · 3 years

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besties don’t worry they’re just playing beach volleyball in v9 😁

#obviously theyre playing volleyball guys come on now #they're having fun look at them #awww look at blake she's going to hit the ball on neo <3 #rwby #rwbyspoilers #rwby spoiler #rwby8 #rwbyv8 #rwby volume 8 #rwby8spoilers #rwby 8 spoilers #ruby rose #weiss schnee #yang xiao long #blake belladonna #jaune arc #neopolitan #bumbleby #whiterose

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biqrow · 3 years

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-baby you're like lightning in a bottle-

#rwbyv8 #nora valkyrie #my art #i reemerge from the depths to produce art every so often >:3 #rwby8 #i love her SO MUCH i hope shes doing ok <3

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kdinjenzen · 3 years

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RWBY Vol 8 Ep 7 has finally gone live for everyone and I really just want to talk about it for a second.

I know some folks still may have not seen it... so time to tag thing properly like a good person.

So hey, whatcha know about that?

Canon trans May Marigold confirmation on screen!

As Kerry and I mentioned on Stay Zen, this was always the plan and May being a transwoman is something that predates my being cast.

Ya love to see it. 💙🧡

The past week has been pretty darn wild and I expect it to get even more so.

RWBY and RWBY Spoilers both got trending on Twitter and Tumblr last week with post of May’s on screen confirmation taking the number one spot on the RWBY tags ALL WEEK LONG.

RWBY was actually top trending on Tumblr on Saturday with the May post taking top spot.

You could say I was more than overwhelmed, I definitely wanted to start reblogging and retweeting all the art and such IMMEDIATELY, but... ya know, spoilers.

I waited a year and a half for this moment, what’s another week?

I say “I waited a year and half for this moment,” but really I’ve been waiting my whole life.

I’ve never seen anything quite like this and only ever DREAMED of something so wildly powerful and meaningful existing in media.

...and more than that, I’m the one who was blessed enough to get the chance to do it.

To get a bit personal, I’ve mentioned “my entire heart is in V8” and I think people finally understand why.

And, yes, this was the episode that got me crying for hours after we recorded it.

I was actually crying while delivering the lines for this, it was a lot for me.

Everything there hit so close to home for me that I requested those lines be saved for last in that session.

The CRWBY sound team, and the director of that session Dustin, being amazingly supportive absolutely said “of course.”

When we finally got to those lines the team kept checking and asking if I was okay to do another take. It was an emotional session for me and the love and care taken even in these VO sessions meant everything.

When I say I love CRWBY and that they care so deeply, I absolutely mean it.

You all saw the final product and I hope you felt it was real, was raw, and was powerful.

I poured my soul into the performance because I figured if this was my one and only shot to make something like this happen... I had to make it count.

This paired up with Kiersi’s powerful writing, I feel we did a great job.

As someone who is trans, this was everything I ever dreamed of seeing.

As someone who saw her VO career burst into flames after coming out, this was a moment of triumph.

As myself... this was my heart put on display for the world.

This was everything to me.

Now this where I thank Eddy, Kerry, Kiersi, Miles, and every member of CRWBY for how much care they put into May Marigold and how much love and support was given to me.

None of this would have been possible without every single person on the team being as open and kind as they are.

I love them all and I thank them for always listening to everything.

To the FNDM and RTCommunity?

You have no idea how much all the posts in support of May mean to me.

Seeing all the posts, the fanart, the fancams, the countless messages... EVERYTHING!

My heart is so full of joy every time I see them.

This much support for a trans character!? IT BLOWS MY MIND! I never thought I’d see the day!

And to those of you who’ve messaged me privately saying how much this meant to you?

That this has helped you realize who you are?

That this gave you the courage to come out?

I AM SO PROUD OF YOU ALL!

And I’ll keep working harder for you all, for myself, and for everyone. 💙🧡

From the bottom of my heart, and heck on behalf of May Marigold herself... thank you.

I am so deeply humbled by everyone’s response.

The weight of this moment has been on my mind consistently throughout the year, we don’t GET moments like this.

... and hope I did a good enough job.

To wrap it up, I’ll say it again.

As the voice of May Marigold I’m here to confirm: Yes, May IS Henry Marigold’s cousin.

But far more importantly, May Marigold is the very first onscreen trans character, confirmed IN UNIVERSE ON THE SHOW, for RWBY!

Can ya believe it, folks? 💙🧡

PS:

There’s a post going around that points out May’s physical reaction to Weiss just before she speaks.

Something along the lines of “For a split-second May wasn’t in that room anymore, was she?”

And if that ain’t just exactly how I felt going into recording those lines... for a small moment of time I just was... not there in the booth and recording lines... I was somewhere else entirely and when I finally came back? There were tears in my eyes.

We did it, everyone. We really did it.

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localboop · 3 years

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We're not alone...

Duration: 17:49

#Mamaschnee #rwby volume 8 #rwby8 spoilers #rwbyv8 #willow schnee #hound grimm #dark #guysholyshititshere #WHAT IS MAMA SCHNEE LOOKING AT #YODESCRIPTION IS CREEPY AS FUCK #rwby V8C8 #rwby #OHMYGOSHH #rwby spoilers #rwby v8

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wtchlings · 3 years

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RWBY V7 Opening // RWBY V8 CH 14

#penny polendina #rwby #rwby8 #rwby v8 #rwby 8 #rwbyv8 #spoilers #first spoilers

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dishwashingrat · 3 years

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See you on the other side ~

#rwby #RWBYV8SPOILERS #RWBYV8 #Penny Polendina #Nuts and dolts

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phinniasart · 3 years

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“What is grief, if not love persevering?”

#rwby #blake belladonna #bumbleby #rwbyv8 #rwby8 #rwbyv8spoilers #rwby v8 spoilers #rwby 8 spoilers #rwby 8 #my art #traditional art #rwby v8

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lore-of-the-silvereyes-rwby · 1 year

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I'm probably in the minority on this but I actually don't think Blake has dropped her goal of equality. I think that, right now, she realizes that if she's gonna help anyone? She needs to work on herself first. Which she's done. She's still striving for equality, it's just not her ONLY goal. Yeah yeah, I know that "she should have been in the mantle team" but that's just mantel. Her goal is equality, meaning everyone is equal. So her being focused on a single local would, this volume anyway, be no different than focusing on Atlas alone. Just my thoughts anyways

I'm probably in the minority on this but I actually don't think Blake has dropped her goal of equality.

She probably hasn’t dropped them but unlike the first 3-5 volumes of the show they aren’t as central or important as they were in the beginning as opposed to now

I think that, right now, she realizes that if she's gonna help anyone? She needs to work on herself first. Which she's done.

Not sure by what you mean by she needs to work on herself or that she did succeed in doing so, but at this point as a character Blake has essentially lost all sense of agency and relevance to the plot and is now either.

A.) Yang’s Love interest or

B.) One of Ruby’s many glorified sidekicks

And this is pretty sad when you think about how Blake and her story in the first 3 Volumes essentially served as the catalyst and instigating incident that got all of the main characters involved with the overall plot of the show in the first place

Seriously I don’t think people realize this but the whole reason why the main characters got involved and are on the villains radar is because of Blake and her subplot

She's still striving for equality, it's just not her ONLY goal.

It's fine to have other goals but Blakes whole thing and purpose was that whole racial equality thing which got swept under the rug as CRWBY realized in their own worlds that “They were too young and inexperienced to write a racism subplot.”

Yeah yeah, I know that "she should have been in the mantle team" but that's just mantel.

Not sure where you got the idea that she should have been with the Mantle team in V8 but Blakes expertise for breaking into Atlas facilities that she got while she was still a terrorist was more needed and useful with Ruby’s team than Yangs mantle escort team so besides Yang, I really don’t see any reason why Blake would be a part of the mantle team in the first place.

Her goal is equality, meaning everyone is equal.

Nobody is ever going to be equal, life's way too complicated for that and in the end as far as most equal rights and freedom movements go they are just a means for better and fair living standards and life opportunities for people who have been treated like $#!7 by the standards of the time and ruling class and in Blake’s case it’s more or less having a wide variety of choices to live life that don’t border on either hazardous dangers or seedy and undesirable professions to make ends meet

So her being focused on a single local would, this volume anyway, be no different than focusing on Atlas alone.

Not sure what you mean by that by as I stated before Blake’s overall arc with equality is more or less irrelevant to non-existent now and probably will remain that way as CRWBY most likely has no intention of ever revisiting that especially now since the stakes are literally raised to the point that total world destruction is well within the realm of possibility that more or less overshadows and makes every other subplot or conflict either pointless or irrelevant Like nobody is going to care or give their full attention to these subplots when the main plot can result in overall destruction of the world and kill everyone which would and will make all of them both pointless and irrelevant

Just my thoughts anyways

Thank you for your thoughts and questions I hope my responses are satisfactory or understandable and feel free to ask any more questions as I do like to explore and give deep thoughts to these topics as to help understand and learn from.

#rwby thoughts #rwby #rwby analysis #rwby theories #rwbyv8 #rwby blake #blake bellodona

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