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bunnyshideawayy · 22 days
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always insane to me how everyone is jumping to blame Nesta for her families poverty instead of their father?????? this happens the entire series and then when Papa Archeron shows up last minute for the finale battle everyone is just like “🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹” expect* for Nesta who can only remember how he actually never really cared for her and how she is the one who holds his mantel for not doing anything/providing for them. its okay though he gets a pass bc his knee! its shattered, expect it was miraculously healing before his sudden death! but that’s okay Nesta suffers and becomes violently depressed/traumatized by his death in which no one helps her progress through! it takes Cassian the entire book to finally realize the fire sounds like a snapping neck and that’s why she flinches around it. but he sure noticed her huge boobs on her sickly thin body!! absolute himbo frat boy chad of a man. guys on a serious note when are we going to stop holding Nesta accountable for their father’s actions? im getting sick of having this discussion. 
also i find it hilarious Cassian sticks up for Feyre here when he literally does not care about her, if he did he would’ve done the same when Rhys told him to keep the wings secret. just like if he truly cared about Nesta he’d stick up for her, too. instead he insults her and sets himself up to look like a fool all in one go.
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thedickgraysons · 15 days
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i dont have all of the words for it right now but there's something so gross about the way sjm chose to handle tamlin's trauma and his responses to being triggered post acotar. and it's not the fact that she writes it at all, but the way the narrative beats you over the head with the fact that tamlin was Wrong for being harassed by amarantha and not giving her what she wanted, Wrong for being affected by it, and then he was Wrong for not pushing feyre's clear boundaries (her insistence to not speak about what happen UTM) when that is a trigger for the both of them.
tamlin's not sleeping in the bed as a beast as he is also incredibly traumatized after being utm, its framed as him being possessive. he doesn't insist feyre keep her powers secret and not come with him to hunt beasts because he had just watched her die, its because he's controlling. there's no addressing of how feyre was using him sexually as much as he was indulging in her, because the fact of the matter is they were on a path of mutual self-destruction.
then there is his and nesta's fandom and canon vilification and over-criticism because their responses to their trauma are "ugly." the lack of empathy their characters in particular draw. the narrative (rhysand's) insistence that nesta needs to get on her knees and spend the foreseeable future Atoning while tamlin can never make up for his actions.
the justification of the ic forcing themselves onto nesta. the fandom insistence that its rehab when they need to assert control over her, but she can leave at any time when someone points out that rehab centers dont let the therapists sleep with their patients. the gross fandom theory about amarantha being tamlin's mate and how he went "crazy" after the mountain because of it.
all of it reeks of both the 'perfect victim' theory and victim blaming
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bookofmirth · 2 months
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sometimes I look at how people in this fandom treat one another, and I just think...
y'all are doing this over an author who wrote a character whose dick is too big for his underwear. Like, she wrote that. On purpose. She wrote random accidental beheading, she mixes up character names, she confuses dates, she wrote a fae king who has packs of red thongs at his house for ??? reasons. I guess because you never know when your guests will need packs of red thongs.
This is the content that you are bullying, harassing, and stalking other actual humans over???
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nightlyteaandpaper · 9 months
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Unseen Labor: Exploring the Undervalued Contributions in Feyre's Cabin
Feyre did not do all the work in that cabin, and I think it is dishonest to say she did. She did the physical labor, but that is not all there is to keep a household functioning. Feyre has told us she does not know how to cook, so who was cooking in that cabin? I know it wasn't her damn daddy.
Feyre has never mentioned cleaning ANYTHING in any of these books, so who cleaned the cabin? Who decorated the cabin? Who washed the clothes? Who mended the clothes? Who provided healthcare to the sick members of the family? Who taught basic life skills to the best of their ability?
No, Feyre doesn't see any of this stuff mentionable (therefore, the audience doesn't think about it) because SJM has some weird mid-late aughts hang-ups about what tasks are "traditionally feminine." She sees no value in these tasks, and she places no value on these tasks; thus, she never mentions them happening. But if the audience learned that while Feyre was hunting all day, Elain was cleaning the cabin, Feyre's sacrifice would not be seen as so great because our response would be, "Well, that is what a family does. The youngest just happens to be the best at hunting."
If the audience found out that while Feyre was hunting all day, Nesta was planning meals, cooking, mending clothes, and providing half-ass health assistance to their father, we would say, "well, it seems like everyone carried their weight." We will not see it as a huge sacrifice.
But no, SJM does not mention these things, despite them being very real objectives and responsibilities that come with taking care of a household.
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whitedemon-ladydeath · 3 months
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me: Nestas character deserved better than to be forced to heal while being degraded (by her mate), humiliated (by her mate and the entirety of the IC), losing her autonomy (by abuse of power from Rhys + Feyre while simultaneously they displace even more people), being sexualized while emaciated (by her mate), being threatened by death (by Rhysand), forced to become something she had zero interest in being (forced to become a hashtag girlboss warrior by Feyre and the IC) and punished via the hike from Hell where she collapsed from exhaustion (by Rhys + Cassian)
this fandom: ok but characters go through adversity in order to grow. v brain dead of u
me: didn't realize adversity was abuse of power from the """"good guys"""" and the sexualization while starving herself by her """mate""" but ok
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nestaapologist · 1 year
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littlefeltsparrow · 4 months
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Please save me from the hell on earth that is ACOTAR Tik Tok. What even is this.
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And just when I thought: “surely there can’t be that many people who agree with Rhysand’s decision to keep that secret from Feyre. SURELY most people would be sensible enough to see how egregiously violating that is. Obviously there wouldn’t be too many people who agree with his line of thinking haha that would be crazy.”
These people prove me wrong every single time.
They go on to say that Feyre “wouldn’t be able to make a choice” and doesn’t that just say it all? Isn’t that the perfect demonstration of the way these people will overlook ANYTHING when it comes to justifying their pseudo-morally-grey king? It all boils down to people discussing Feyre like she’s a weak little waif who will blow away with the breeze, like she can’t possibly contribute to solving a crisis like this. NO! According to these people, since Feyre is too mentally fragile to handle matters concerning her own body, she needs her big strong husband to make medical decisions for her. HE gets to decide what’s best for her. (Hm I wonder where I’ve heard that before?)
Tell me, why wouldn’t Feyre be able to help with resolving this situation? Her powers couldn’t help her? She wouldn’t take a risk to save her child and husband’s life? Don’t tell me that Feyre would’ve been too feeble and weak to handle the information just because she’s pregnant, there were definitely other options for resolving this issue.
And don’t even try me with the “Nesta was so spiteful! She only wanted to hurt her sister!” Nonsense because I’ve heard it all. Let’s not try to shift the blame onto the one that actually had the courage to speak up and get the situation moving instead of Rhysand who violated Feyre’s trust in him (after he promised her he wouldn’t do that) Perhaps these people should consider that maybe if Rhysand hadn’t been so paranoid and myopic about everything then maybe this pregnancy wouldn’t have risked causing a political catastrophe in the Night Court.
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simmanin · 24 days
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It always confuses me when people make a big deal over Elain not getting credit for killing Hybern. I always assumed she didn’t want to be associated with it, seeing as how she doesn’t like violence (her throwing up before the war). It wasn’t some glorious thing she did, she stabbed him because her sister was in danger. She had no other choice, it was either watch her sister be killed or stab him. I doubt she would want to relive that every time someone associated her with killing the King of Hybern.
Also, people act like Nesta takes the blame for some type of glory? Do you not know her character? Sure, she uses it as leverage at times against people, but I think she took full blame so the attention would shift off of Elain. So people wouldn’t go after Elain, if anyone chose to retaliate. And so Elain wouldn’t have to relive it every day when people mentioned her killing him. They always bring it up when Nesta is in the room, imagine how uncomfortable that would make Elain lmao.
Even Elain says this to Lucien after it happened in ACOWAR:
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To me, it sounds like she does not want to be associated with it. At all.
I’m not sure why some people act like it’s stolen valor for Nesta to “take credit”. It’s so obvious to me that 1. Elain doesn’t want to be associated with it and 2. Nesta took the blame so the focus won’t shift to her sister.
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theweeklydiscourse · 8 months
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The dynamic and initial characterization of the Archeron family in ACOTAR is…frustrating.
Trying to make sense of the Archeron sister’s backstory in conjunction with their future character development is enough to drive a person to the brink of madness. It’s a straining experience to try to accept the story on Maas’s terms due to how jumbled the continuity becomes as the series progresses. Specifically, the dynamic of the Archeron sisters feels artificial and contrived. It’s a dynamic meant to evoke as much pity as possible from the reader and in doing so, it creates a clash between Maas’s first draft of these characters and their future developments. I find that it makes it difficult for one to immerse themselves in ACOTAR’s world building and characterization because it lacks harmony with the rest of the series. Furthermore, Maas writes a kind of suffering that is indulgent and gratuitous, not seeming to care about how doing so might create problems in her story later on. It makes analyzing the later developments in the story akin to fist fighting the narrative in a Walmart parking lot at 3am.
Example #1 : The Dissonance of Nesta and Elain
The initial characterizations of Nesta and Elain is shallow and although they develop farther along in the series, they can never quite escape the impression of their introductions. In the early chapters, Nesta is a haughty ingrate who staunchly refuses to help Feyre with running the household while Elain is clueless and unhelpful. They behave terribly towards Feyre, but in a manner that feels like something out of a stand-alone story for young children and not the first book of a trilogy.
“Nesta picked at her long, neat nails. “I hate chopping wood. I always get splinters.” She glanced up from beneath her dark lashes. (…) “Besides, Feyre,” she said with a pout, “you’re so much better at it! It takes you half the time it takes me. Your hands are suited for it—they’re already so rough.””
“Her brown eyes--my father's eyes remained pinned on the doe. "Will it take you long to clean it?" Me. Not her, not the others. I'd never once seen their hands sticky with blood and fur.”
They are the embodiments of the “evil stepsister” archetype but are written with no nuance or thought for how their future development might look. They are tools that exist solely to make Feyre’s life as hellish as possible and this is especially apparent with Nesta. Nesta’s initial one-note meanness confounds me, especially when her character is expanded upon later in the trilogy. But here, she acts cartoonishly cruel and spoiled like the sisters in Cinderella and her initial moments do not do enough to suggest her complexity that is eventually used in ACOSF. This dissonance in Nesta reflects the flaws of Maas’s characterization and follow-through. The story indulges in Feyre’s suffering and asks the reader to feel terrible for the plight of this poor and unfortunate soul… but it all feels so gratuitous.
I was never fully convinced by The Archeron family dynamic, how could I be when the characters are not characters but instead are torture devices for the main character? They are elements that converge to make Feyre’s life as miserable and pitiful as humanly possible, but does so in a way that feels utterly shallow and cliche. I can’t become invested in the way Feyre is mistreated because it reads as pain for the sake of pain, it’s shallow and uncompelling.
Example #2 : Feyre’s Non-Existent Relationship to her Unnamed Mother
“My mother. Imperious and cold with her children, joyous and dazzling among the peerage who frequented our former estate, doting on my father the one person whom she truly loved and respected.”
Another example of this relates to Feyre’s relationship to her deceased mother. Feyre is intent on honouring her vow to her mother and yet, it seems like she harbours no positive emotions towards her. Descriptions of her relationship with her Mother are scant and reveal very little about any potential closeness between them. From this passage, a read could surmise that Feyre’s Mother cared more for wealth and status than her children and had little affection for them as a result. It wasn’t as if Feyre and her mother were uniquely close or had a strong bond or something that might justify honouring that promise (especially when she comments on the unfairness of placing that burden on a child very early on in ACOTAR).
“There were times when I hated her for asking that vow of me. Perhaps, delirious with fever, she hadn't even known what she was demanding.”
So what is the narrative purpose of Feyre’s loyalty to a parent she was never that close with and breaking her back to fulfill a promise made in delirium? Her mother is a complete afterthought and yet Feyre for some reason puts herself through the wringer so that she honours that promise? Why? It isn’t compelling for the heroine to sacrifice that much of herself for a family that has no real emotional stakes in the relationship dynamic. THIS does not make a good story, it is so fixated on creating a tragic background for its heroine that it strips the supporting characters of all intrigue and ironically makes the mistreatment Feyre faces feel flimsy and almost comically exaggerated. HER MOTHER AND FATHER DONT EVEN HAVE NAMES!
Example #3 : Feyre’s Father
Feyre says that their family had been impoverished for 8 years, but I fail to grasp how a family of four could subsist on the income from an amateur huntress and her sales of animal pelts. Am I to believe that all of them spent those past 8 years twiddling their thumbs while Feyre did everything on her own? While I’m aware that this is a fantasy series, it seems unrealistic that Nesta nor Elain ever gave Feyre any substantial assistance when it came to running a household. The idea that their prissiness and spoiled attitude prevented them from lifting a finger makes no sense because a mindset like that would never allow them to survive in such an environment. None of them have jobs or bring in any income to support the family and somehow I’m meant to believe that Feyre’s earnings were enough to support all of them. Meanwhile, her father is too ashamed to even attempt to aid his daughters.
Feyre’s father is presented as feckless and an object of resentment for Feyre and Nesta. Although he is given slightly more depth than Nesta and Elain initially, he is never truly expanded upon as a character and is confined to a pathetic characterization.
“What I really wanted to say was: You don't even bother to attempt to leave the house most days.Were it not for me, we would starve. Were it not for me, we'd be dead.”
Oh look! Her father is useless too! Her only living parent who “hadn’t argued when I announced that I was going hunting.”. Although papa Archeron is kind to Feyre, this doesn’t culminate in a meaningful character arc later in the book and his inaction as a father is left to fester. Feyre’s relationship with him is similarly shallow with her relationship to her mother and does not offer the reader anything to latch onto when Feyre leave her family towards the end of the book. I just feel that the story would become so much more emotionally compelling if there were any reasons for Feyre to truly have a connection with her family and if it were not a barrage of misery.
So basically…
I just can’t become invested in Feyre’s plight when it is so indulgent in her suffering (at the expense of some potentially compelling characters). It feels manufactured, it doesn’t feel real (in the sense that it is extremely contrived) and I hate how Maas makes the family dynamic more emotionally nuanced later on in the series, but is constantly at odds with the initial impressions of these characters. The potential is there, but Maas seemed to care more about making the backstory as sad and tragic as possible rather than considering any potentially complex emotional realities the characters would have to grapple with later on.
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anne-et · 1 year
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The fandom doesn't like Nesta because Rhysand doesn't like her, not because she was rude to Feyre. Rhysand doesn't like Nesta because she didn't kiss her feet the moment he entered her house.
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curiousity-cell · 8 months
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i’ve noticed (predominantly on tiktok - moreso commenters than creators but whatever) the acotar fan base has this issue where they make these characters who have canon personalities & development and completely erase it to make them into a borderline oc. think tamlin, lucien, gwyn, elain. all made into people they’re not.
tamlin is made sympathetic, lucien is made helpless, elain is made into a mean girl & gwyn is the innocent who can do no wrong (or worse she’s the helpless victim to elain’s mean girl). it is absolutely misogyny and it’s fucking crazy.
i’m fucking sick of it. yeah, maybe gwyn is an innocent, but elain is in no way a mean girl nor is gwyn her victim (nor would she ever be lol). you can sympathise with tamlin, but he still mistreated feyre & people are allowed to hate him. same as lucien. lucien is not a helpless baby, he is a 500 year old fae male. he can handle a little rejection. (& no, elain’s inevitable rejection of him is NOT her being mean! grow up!)
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bookishfeylin · 2 years
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“Come now, Tamlin,” Rhysand said. “Shouldn’t you reprimand your lackey for speaking to me like that?” “I don’t enforce rank in my court,” Tamlin said. “Still?” Rhysand crossed his arms. “But it’s so entertaining when they grovel. I suppose your father never bothered to show you.” (Chapter 26)
Spot the recton, y'all.
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yaralulu · 2 months
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i love it when people say things about tamlin that are simply not true, and we know they’re not true because some of us actually paid attention when reading these books.people love disregarding everything we know about tamlin from book 1 and just start making things up.“he forced his sentries to cross the wall !!” “ he did nothing about the curse for 50 years !!” “he only wanted to fuck feyre UTM !!” “hes a terrible high lord !!” “he sold out feyres sisters to hybern !!” “he forced lucien to participate in calanmai !!”.what are u talking about⁉️⁉️.you cannot just shit on tamlin based off things that canonically are.not.true.
tamlin is such a nuanced character and you don’t have to like him but spewing nonsense about his character is just loser behavior 👎.
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On how people think Nesta is the abuser in early acotar
Okay, so..
1) the series was never supposed to be more that three books, therefore all secondary characters are bland and not developed that well, or at all.
2) Nesta’s and Elain’s primary- dare I say, only, narrative purpose in the first book was to get us, the audience on board with Feyre’s decision to stay in the Spring Court fairly early in the story. Ugly (step)sisters as narrative shorthand for “main girl’s life is awful so she needs to skedaddle very quickly”.
Now that we have that out of the way, Nesta in book one is so very different than the Nesta in the other books. I remember reading these books (the first time round) and getting whiplash at how different the characterization was for both sisters really.
I am aware that a lot of people are very passionate about their defense of Feyre, but I beg you, down on my knees with my hands clasped in a prayer, i beg you to realize that these were children and teenagers we are talking about. Children and teenagers that were never taught how to love. Nesta was never taught how to be nice, only how to seduce a rich husband, with perfectionism beaten into her. It very clearly states, in book four, that Nesta is all claws and sharp edges because she was forced to be that. And so when the time came to reign in that spitefulness, she realized it became a permanent feature of herself.
I do not think people realize just how difficult it is to learn how to show and accept love, even more so when you have to teach yourself in adulthood because you are trying to better yourself. Well I do.
This might count as insider trading: I am privy to this perspective because i have lived through something similar, but somewhere along the way, you do it because you need to forgive yourself and because it is the right thing to do; not to seek validation/forgiveness from others. Truly healing means accepting that you cannot change the past, and that you cannot make others accept your apology. But you apologize because it’s the right thing to do.
The beauty of Nesta’s book, is that you, dear audience member and beloved reader, do not have to forgive Nesta, she does not want it. The character you are defending already forgave her, so you become slightly less relevant in their story.
Tangentially related, but Feyre tried to reach out to Nesta multiple times in order to make amends, and only gave up when Rhys stepped in.. Foreshadowing is a narrative technique-
Insisting that a child can be abusive, insisting that CHILD Nesta was abusing Feyre is a dangerous line of thinking.
Child neglect and abuse is a heavy topic, and I don’t think I am educated enough to speak on it. All I will say is that assuming that every older child that grew up in a neglectful home in inherently abusive/neglectful themselves is an abhorrent thought to have. Being mean and outwardly cruel to people you love because you don’t know how to love them is not abuse, it is a cry for help.
In this scenario, we are talking about Nesta’s INACTION and lack of contribution. That is not abuse. It is of grave importance that people realize this. Nesta was groomed to be one thing and one thing only, a perfect wife. She was never taught how to love and care for her sisters, and had to learn this in adulthood, much like how Feyre had to do the same.
However Feyre was given grace, given support and understanding, given enough space to learn how to love freely and how to be loved.
The entire second book is about this. Do you people not read?
Nesta on the other hand, is ever only given this kind of treatment in book four, by Gwyn and Emerie: two characters that are removed from the Inner Circus and Rhysand. It is only when Rhysand suggests, and subsequently steamrolls over Feyre’s hesitations, that Nesta is removed from Feyre’s space, and Feyre herself stops reaching out. Only because Rhys mettles.
Like I stated above, foreshadowing is a narati-
Like many of you, Rhysand loves Feyre, and goes to extreme lengths to protect her and keep her safe. However, he is extremely biased against Nesta, pouring all of his anger at how mistreated Feyre was onto Nesta. Nesta bears the brunt of his terribly misguided attempt to protect Feyre, and Elain is left on the sidelines, just like she was when she tried to take accountability for her own failure during the Archeron’s poverty era. And yet, Rhysand ignores this.
Elain is viewed as the innocent child that is incapable of coherent thought. Elain is much softer in appearance therefore is considered to be almost incapable of carrying blame. Somehow, most likely because Nesta does not conform nor does she assimilate into Fae life the way Elain does, Elain is perceived to be the “good one”. Make no mistake, Rhysand keeps Elain around to use her against Nesta- the scrying incident in Silver Flames; he does not really respect her. Otherwise he would have held her just as responsible as Nesta. Instead, he and the others, treat Elain like a dimwit and Nesta as the pariah.
All of this, this being Rhysand being kind of a shitty dude, all of it would have been fine, were it not for the fact that Rhysie is consistently justified by the narrative. He is clearly the favourite character if the author and is always positioned to be the Moral Compass of the story, and therefore always positioned to be the one who is in the right. All of Rgysand’s moves and decisions are made out to be the decision, the only correct ones, the ones that the audience is supposed to have/share/approve of,
The fact that us girlies are having a tussle over a lot of the female characters simply because on how the narrative favors a male character, and how that male character keeps meddling in women’s affairs, is honestly some kind of profound irony.
The author’s inability to let go of her favoritism of said male character is boiling my piss and curdling my menstrual blood.
Bonsoir.
Ps.
Being mean and outwardly cruel to people you love because you don’t know how to love them is not abuse, it is a cry for help.
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whitedemon-ladydeath · 6 months
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mor, touches Nestas body right after she turned into a fae and has recently been sexually assalted: I love ur dress. id steal it off u😍
Nesta, with boundaries violated: can't say I'd agree
fandom: SLUT SHAMING????
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lorcandidlucienwill · 4 months
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Actual Naga: Mythological Sanskrit texts such as the Mahabharata,the Ramayana and the Puranas describe the nagas as a powerful, splendid and proud semi-divine species that can assume their physical form either as human (often with a halo of cobra hoods behind their head), as a partially human serpent, or as a whole serpent.
Sjm's Naga: The naga were sprung from a nightmare. Covered in dark scales and nothing more, they were a horrendous combination of serpentine features and male humanoid bodies whose powerful arms ended in polished black, flesh-shredding talons.
I think the original Naga are better. She could've done so much with them, but she chose to use them as horrible grunt creatures that Tamlin just ripped to shreds. But imagine if there was a Naga kingdom with a Naga king??? And their kingdom was underneath the Summer Court????
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