#the lazarus pit

[secretlystephaniebrown]

I Read Nearly Every Appearance of the Lazarus Pit Before Flashpoint and All I Got Was A Headache: A Meta Commentary

So! The Lazarus Pit!

The Lazarus Pit is obviously an iconic part of the Batman Franchise. We encounter it everywhere, from the Under the Red Hood movie, to the Lazarus Planet event which just ended.

But has the Lazarus Pit always been this way?

It's comics. Of course not.

Very long comic rant with citations below!

The Nu52 and following reboots obviously overhauled Lazarus Lore so completely they're functionally a different thing, so I'm not talking about them. Today, instead, we're talking about post-crisis/pre-Flashpoint Lazarus Pits, their contradictions, and what we can make of them.

The Lazarus Pits have been around nearly as long as Ra's and Talia have been, and even before they appeared, it was clear that Ra's had some method of extending his life.

Batman (1940-2011) #235

The first Lazarus Pit itself seems to be in a chalet in Switzerland, and it's very different than what we will later associate it as. It is instead, a mortuary slab that lowers itself into a pit of "bubbling liquid"

Batman (1940-2011) #243

In these early versions, the Lazarus Pit is portrayed as a medical invention that Ra's has used to extend his life.

It is shown to have consequences, which fandom has, of course, latched onto.

Batman (1940-2011) #244

Here, we see the Lazarus Madness described as including "the strength of ten men", and he is able to be able to resist nearly all attacks from Batman and Lo Ling.

In addition, Ra's claims that he has used the pit too often, which is shown to be the driving force behind his interest in Bruce and his legacy.

Batman (1940-2011) #244

Later appearances of Ra's and the pit throughout this era add a few more interesting tidbits.

He claims that only he can use the Lazarus Pit... but puts Talia in it in that same issue, claiming that it's okay if it's just a quick dip.

Batman (1940-2011) #335

Is Ra's lying about no one else being able to use the pit? Almost certainly. He will start putting anyone he wants into the pit soon enough.

Those with a keen eye might notice that the Lazarus Pit is already going through some aesthetic changes: we're still seeing a slab being lowered into a small pit, but now the liquid within is orange! This will come up a lot!

Next up we have the storyline Grant Morrison refused to read: Son of the Demon.

In Son of the Demon, Ra's claims that there was an earlier version of the Pit, before the final version Bruce has already encountered. In this version, he claims that Mellisande, Talia's mother, was pushed into this proto-pit, and it killed her.

Batman: Son of the Demon (1987)

Denny O'Neil will later retcon this in 1993, claiming that Talia's mother died of a drug overdose, and Ra's refused to bring her back.

But it is consistent in early versions of the story that Lazarus Pits, if not entered with proper care and with the right preparations, can be dangerous.

Bride of the Demon is the next storyline, and Ra's BRINGS the Lazarus Pits in this one. Ra's finds himself a hot MILF girlfriend and puts her in the Pit to make her younger so she can give him kids.

Batman: Bride of the Demon (1990)

This Lazarus Pit is shown to be more experimental than past versions, with Ra's and Dr. Weltmann attempting to prevent the Lazarus Madness factor.

Ra's later puts a child in the pit as a bribe to his father, but the kid had possibly been dead too long, and it was hinted there were going to be long-term consequences for the actions... which were dropped. As was the wife, who was supposedly pregnant at the end of this story. Comics!

This is the first time that limits on the Lazarus Pit are presented, but it is certainly not the last. This idea that there's an upper limit on how long someone can be dead for before a Lazarus Pit doesn't do anything will come back again.

Batman: Birth of the Demon finally brings in a more mystical aspect to the Lazarus Pits, which so far have been vaguely scientific. In this story, we are introduced to the fact that Lazarus Pits are located on the convergence points of leylines (which in-universe have something to do with the electro-magnetic field). Ra's's approximate age is revealed, and it is shown that Bruce and Ra's have been fighting a real-estate battle over sites where Lazarus Pits can be built.

Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)

In flashbacks, we learn that Ra's figured out how to build a Lazarus Pit, and was not actually the first person to use it. Instead, it was for the son of the Sultan Ra's worked for as a physician.

After the Sultan's son went mad, killed Sora, and blamed Ra's for it, Ra's had his vengeance... by putting the son in a false Lazarus Pit.

This pit was sabotaged by not being built on a Leyline. So uh... be careful with those, I guess!

So in short: by the end of this era of Denny O'Neil/Mike Barr Lazarus Lore, we know that anyone can use a Lazarus Pit, but Ra's controls them with his knowledge of how to create them. Bruce can find where they should be by tracking leylines, and will pass this knowledge on to others over time.

We then enter a new era! The Chuck Dixon era, to be specific.

Chuck Dixon has surprisingly few retcons for us. We first really encounter his take on Lazarus Lore in his mini series Bane of the Demon, where Bane works with Ra's and co.

We get a brief recap of the lore here:

Batman: Bane of the Demon #3 (1998)

We are now introduced to an interesting new layer: the Lazarus Pits can be predicted, not just detected. Ra's has headquarters set up all over the world, in places where Lazarus Pits not only are, but will be. Some pit locations appear to remain the same throughout the years (Ra's has built numerous pits on the location of the first site: at least three that we know of), but generally, Lazarus Pits seem to be a one-time deal.

Ra's clearly has dedicated most of his life to these pits; to acquiring their locations, to predicting where they will be, experimenting with how to make them better... so obviously, he guards the formula for how to make them extremely closely, right?

Well. Not according to Chuck.

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989-2007) #145

And if you've noticed that head of green hair on the ground there, that's right folks! BRUCE WAYNE PUT A DEAD JOKER IN A LAZARUS PIT HE MADE HIMSELF.

Bruce justifies it by telling Alfred that if he does this, it means Ra's can't use it later. However, it does not change the fact that Bruce put the Joker in a Lazarus Pit. No I'm not going to be over this ever. Jason might have a point, actually.

Ra's decides, after this, that he wants another wife. And he picks Dinah Lance! But whoops, as it happens, Dinah was tortured and can't have kids (also lost her Canary Cry), way back in Green Arrow, before Ollie died! So Ra's decides to throw her in a Lazarus Pit. It... doesn't go well. Lazarus Madness + Restored Canary Cry = one destroyed building.

Birds of Prey (1999-2009) #33

Oh look! We've got locations! And of course every other Lazarus Pit we've seen or will see except Birth of the Demon is nowhere near any of these convergence points!

So! To recap the current state of the lore: Lazarus Pits are a combination of science and magic. They are an alchemical creation, built on leyline nodes. Generally, they are one-use only, or at least they require centuries to be re-usable. They can resurrect the newly-dead, but but Ra's is very cautious about letting other people use them, probably because he's a control freak, and he doesn't have too many of them left.

We depart the Dixon era and enter... the Nyssa Raatko era.

Nyssa is introduced in Death and the Maidens, with Greg Rucka, who is a huge fan of Denny O'Neil, still sticking pretty close to the original lore.

Here, we see that Bruce has still been on his kick of preventing Ra's from building more Lazarus Pits by buying up real estate where they could be. This forced Ra's to try to reconcile with his daughter Nyssa, who he gave a Lazarus Pit to sometime in the 1700s.

Batman: Death and the Maidens (2003-2004) #1

"But hey!" I can hear you say. "Isn't part of the thing that you mentioned earlier is that they're one-use?"

Well they are! For Ra's.

Nyssa, however, is a smart lady.

Nyssa, at some point in her life, figured out how to make a Lazarus Pit reusable. So she's been getting a lot of mileage out of this baby, and has been since the 1700s.

This story also presents an explanation for why the Lazarus Pit is sometimes green and sometimes orange: Nyssa's is orange and Ra's has green ones. I guess maybe the earlier orange pits that Ra's had were him trying to make them reusable like Nyssa? Hmm.

Batman: Death and the Maidens (2003-2004) #4

When questioned about it, Nyssa tells Talia that there used to be more pits, so he was less protective of them when he gave her this one.

Batman: Death and the Maidens (2003-2004) #6

At the end of this storyline, Ra's is dead, Nyssa is the new Ra's al Ghul, and according to Bruce, she has the only Lazarus Pit left.

Batman: Death and the Maidens (2003-2004) #9

Nyssa pops up again in Batgirl, facing off against Cass, and brags about her special pit again. Cass and Shiva both get dips in it. Fun times!

Batgirl (2000-2006) #69

Yes, the torture hooks are a reoccurring feature of Nyssa's pit. I don't know why.

But wait! A brief interlude!

Jason Todd came back to comics in a storyline: Under the Hood, in 2005, which wrapped up in 2006. We weren't told how Jason came back in the story itself, but a few months after Under the Hood ended, we get Batman Annual #25, which shows Talia shoving Jason into a Lazarus Pit while Ra's was using it.

Batman Annual #25 (2006)

There's no discussion about if this is a weird dip. He's got brain activity again though!

This is revisited again in Red Hood: The Lost Days, but it doesn't really add anything from the point of Lazarus Lore, except that Ra's posits that Jason, having already been resurrected, could have suffered some long-term consequences, unlike literally anyone else who had a dip.

Red Hood: The Lost Days (2010-2011) #2

Anyways, enough Jason! Nyssa gets killed off-page in OYL, so she's gone now, Talia's running the show and oh fuck it's Morrison-era. And Morrison never bothered to read any other Ra's or Talia story because it wasn't Silver Age or something. So... retcon time!

The Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul attempts to retell Birth of the Demon, but with a few retcons. The pits were discovered, not made, being the official point in which the Lazarus Pits become purely magical phenomena, rather than a work of alchemy.

Batman Annual #26 (2007)

Bruce also mentions that the Pits are connected to actual waterways, which is a massive difference from the shallow pits from earlier eras.

This era does however confirm the concept that older bodies, further along in the decay process, probably shouldn't be dipped in the Lazarus Pit. At least, Dick convinced Tim of this fact after a little while.

(Also White Ghost wants a perfectly healthy, alive Tim to bathe in the Lazarus Pit, and this is never explained. Maybe it was a distraction?)

Nightwing (1996-2009) #139

In this era, and the Batman: Reborn era following it, the Lazarus Pits are pretty absent, but the few references we do get from this point forward (including in Red Hood: The Lost Days, which are published in 2010-2011), tend to use the Morrison-era canon that the pits are natural. And also we're back to having a lot of them, instead of just Nyssa's singular one in the Balkans, and, since Ra's has a new young(er) body, there's no sense of urgency to buy up/prevent him from making new pits. Potentially, Dusan/White Ghost took advantage of the fact that the Bats thought Ra's was dead to buy back the real-estate and make new pits, but that's using the pre-Morrison lore. I guess in Morrison era, the Bats just... don't know where Pits are until they find one, and then they blow it up.

We also no longer see any one-time-use limitations. One could assume that Talia figured out the formula Nyssa used to keep the pits reusable and told Ra's, if we're trying to merge the canons.

And that's not even counting whatever is happening in the post-Flashpoint era. Lazarus Planet gives me a headache. Let's not talk about it just now.

Anyways, in short: I think the artificial, single-use Lazarus Pits are way more fun. But anyways, here's the citations to help you decide what YOU think Lazarus Lore should be!

#Steph Speaks #Steph Reads Comics #The Lazarus Pit #Ra's al Ghul #Bruce Wayne #Talia al Ghul #Bane #Nyssa Raatko #Jason Todd #Tim Drake #Dick Grayson #Barbara Gordon #I had more images but there's a 30 image cap so you guys don't get to see Ted and Babs dealing with Lazarus Mad-Dinah #DC #I will go back and add the rest of the image descriptions

[cowboysorceror]

"What immortal hand or eye / could frame thy fearful symmetry?"

#dc #dc comics #fan art #fanart #art #jason todd #red hood #robin #a death in the family #blood cw #injury cw #psychological horror #the lazarus pit #cowboydraws

[undertheredhood]

broke: the lazarus pit induces psychotic rage on anyone who uses the pit as a price for being healed, and thus they cannot be held accountable for their actions while experiencing 'pit madness'

woke: cass and jason just use 'pit madness' as a humourous excuse to get out of trouble with bruce

#dc comics #dc universe #dcu #batman #red hood #black bat #orphan #batgirl #jason todd #jason peter todd #cassandra cain #cassandra wayne #jason was never the angry robin #batfamily #batfam #cassandra cain and jason todd #cass and jason probably: pit madness is why the batmobile is totally wrecked we have no control over it #this is kinda wfa inspired btw #lazarus pit #the lazarus pit #pit madness #lazarus pit madness #lazarus pit side effects #to be fair even if they mess up they’d own up to it

[reyskitchensink]

I am so bad at captions, so here, have Lazarus pit Jason

#DC comics #Jason Todd #robin #batman and robin #red hood #bruce wayne #the red hood #dick grayson #richard grayson #comic books #under the red hood #joker #the joker #the lazarus pit #fan art #jason todd fan art #robin fan art #drawing #painting #art #fan fiction

[writing-nothing-but-spilled-ink]

Imagine an au where DC and the crow combine and the way Jason comes back to life is through the crow to get revenge on the joker for killing him and his dreams but after he finishes killing the joker he somehow still gets revived permanently via the Lazarus pit

#dc comics #dc universe #jason todd au #jason todd #red hood #redhood #dc #the crow #comics #just thoughts #batman #batfam #the batfamily #dc comic #thoughts #lazarus pit #the lazarus pit

[yarpharp]

The Lazarus Pit as a concept has been rewritten a million times. I don't mean "they rewrote it so it never does exactly the same thing, which is to bring people back like Lazarus," but a "Every time Jason Todd gets a different writer, the Pit does something different to him." And I'm serious about this. Initially it brought him back and the comics were all "He didn't come back right! He heals faster! He moves faster! He is Big now when before he was doomed to be Small from malnutrition! He is very Angry and full of Manslaughter." But then it was like later in that same comic run "Batman slits his throat with a Batarang and It Seems Like he Dies. But then he shows back up!" Is... Is it implying he healed from a fatal slice because he was fresh from the Pit, or is it that Jason's just liable to coming back from Death? And heck, they tried to explain away his unexplained resurrection with "Superboy Super Punch Time Stream Fuckery" but that always felt very contrite? And God, DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON THE VIDEO GAMES. When did the Pit give him magical powers? Are you telling me my guy's a magical girl zombie now? (Which is kinda iconic but also very abruptly declared. Gotham Knights is a game...) WHAT ABOUT THE ALL-CASTE? Bruh by their definition my guy Jason is their Holy Man Chosen One Who Will Bring Great Change.

... Anyway the Lazarus Pit is weird to me. Why is it called that? Isn't Ra's Al Ghul not Christian at all? Why would he name a magic pit he found roughly 600 years ago (or more, depending on who is writing Ra's Al Ghul) after Lazarus when he could care less about religion? And has his own assassin cult???

Oh and it is actually inhabited by demons. This is canon. He sacrificed his mom or some shit to be the host of the Demon at one point. And apparently Damian can be possessed by that Demon? It's all kinda confusing.

Plot devices are so wack in comics.

#batman #ra's al ghul #the lazarus pit #dc comics #jason todd #damian wayne #the confusing backstory of the pit continues to baffle me

[dceuheadcanons]

AU where Bruce Wayne was born in 1947! Usually in my personal version of DC he's born in '97, but let me explain.

The Lazarus Pit is what's kept him alive for so long. He died in training with Ra's Al Ghul once, and it was used to revive him. Only when he got to about 40 did he realise he hadn't physically aged since. He still looked twenty.

His parents were killed in 1957, and in the modern day people hardly remember them or what happened. The members of the JL, including Wonder Woman and Superman, all thought that Batman had been a mantle passed down through different people. How could one human man have lived that long?

Until the eventual identity reveal. No one bats an eye at Bruce Wayne still being alive in Gotham, weird things happen all the time in that city, but the JL are SHOCKED.

#short post compared to my usual thing but #I'm listening to 60s-70s music and just went.. hm.. I think he deserves to have been young in that era actually #batman #bruce wayne #dc headcanon #dceu #dceu headcanons #batman headcanon #dc universe #the lazarus pit #ra's al ghul #Jason ⚰️ #Bruce helped a bit duh but I wrote this #blog lore au

[lulurhythm]

I think I drew this back in the spring. Have I really never posted??? I’m so obsessed with this story, y’all. Go read it. I never saw a Reverse Robins story this well done.

#Peregrine #Tim Drake #Reverse Robins AU #DC Fanart #Fan Fiction Fanart #AO3 Fanart #Just All The Fanart #Have you ever wondered what Tim Drake would be like after a dunk in the Pit? #Now We Know #The Lazarus Pit #This Boy Is Feral #I Love Him

[victoriacrownedpigeon]

The Conundrum of Jason Todd's Autopsy Scar

Ok, so, recently I've been doing research on the different versions of Jason Todd and his life, death, and afterlife for reasons, and I stumbled across the discontinuity that is Jason's autopsy scar.

This post by pluckyredhead and this post by dailyjasontodd explain it pretty well, and when ruminating I realized that there is a perfect, literal explanation sitting in front of our faces.

Jason didn't have an "autopsy" if you mean someone performed postmortem surgery to try and find cause of death. That would have been impossible, since he most likely had a quick and quiet burial to hide his forensic ties to the Robin life.

No, what Jason had was experimental surgery done by the League of Assassins. I'm not an expert, but I think part of the reason Ra's al Ghul had an interest was because Jason came back to life for seemingly no reason. (and if that's not true based on current continuity or whatever, it's my personal headcanon anyway so)

Ra's wanted to figure out what made Jason live again. Part of that process would most undoubtedly include exploratory surgery that mimicked an autopsy, but didn't include permanent harm because they couldn't study what made him live if he was dead, right?

The scar is mostly fanon except for that one Robin variant cover, and most of the cause is to make Jason have more angst over his death and/or to freak out the rest of the Batfamily. But how much more angst would they, specifically Dick and Bruce, have when they realized that wait, Jason didn't have an autopsy, why does he have a scar, and then they find out that he has that Y-shaped scar because a secret league of assassins tried to cut him apart and dissect him to figure out how he was alive?

I don't think they would take that very well, to be honest. Especially if they found out that it was when Jason was catatonic, so no, there was no consent or anesthesia either. (and imagine the nightmares that Jason would have, not just of crawling out of his own grave and the Lazarus pit, but of being dissected alive and being able to do nothing to stop it)

TL;DR Jason Todd has a Y-shaped scar because the League of Assassins tried to dissect him, not because he had an autopsy in Gotham.

#jason todd #jason peter todd #robin #dc robin #red hood #batfamily #batfam #dick grayson #nightwing #batman #bruce wayne #the league of assassins #ra's al ghul #autopsy #human anatomy #scars #jason todd's scars #dc fanon #jason todd's autopsy scar #the lazarus pit #jason todd's death #and afterlife #jason todd whump #just giving my boy trauma :)

[batstorm93672]

Jason had moments of uncontrollable anger from the Lazarus Pit, what no one else knew was that Damian was affected by it as well.

He wasn't angry (well not as much as he normally seems) instead Damian became agitated, his senses of fight were kicked up and sometimes he could see the shape of Ra instead of just hearing his voice. Being Robin helped ease that agitation into something else and sure he sometimes got a little carried away and rushed in without thought. Batman would sometimes be annoyed at that, but even though he didn't know what caused it he saw that his son was restraining himself a lot to which he let it go.

This night he got too carried away and almost killed again, Batman hadn't arrived at the scene yet, this man killed innocent children and used them for disgusting acts. Damian wanted to kill him, he out of many deserved to die. The agitation grew worse and every part of his body told him to kill this monster in front of him. He wants to kill, wants to do what he is only taught and known to believe is right.

"Now Damian, take his life"

"Have I not already won Grandfather?"

"In order to truly achieve victory, you must do whatever it takes which includes taking a life of someone who has failed"

"...I see"

The man wasn't terrified, he looked rather calm with the fact that the sword pointed at his neck was meant to kill him. Damian struck the man down.

"You hesitated, you would have died in battle. You have failed me greatly Damian"

"Forgive me Grandfather, I will do better"

"I expect you to"

...

"Hey Robin, snap out of it. Can you hear me?"

"Red Hood? What are you doing here?"

"GCPD reported that the missing kids were found, Batman is dealing with them. He asked me to get you to see if you found the suspect. From what it looks like, you definitely did"

Bloody fists and vision failing.

"Did I... I didn't right?"

"No he's alive, knocked out but well enough alive"

"Okay that's good"

"Wanna explain on why I found you punching this man like crazy?"

"...Lazarus Pit"

"What?"

"I was affected by the Lazarus Pit again"

"Again? Wait you've been affected? How come I never knew?"

"It doesn't matter, Grandfather used the Lazarus as punishment for my wrong in battle. Especially the first time I was made to kill"

"Let's take this guy in, we'll keep talking"

.

Half and half pizza, one regular the other side vegetarian. Red Hood took off his mask and kept eating as Damian watched the sky. "So, you're affected by the Lazarus Pit, does anyone else know?"

"No"

"Why not?"

"It was a simple part of my role into growing up. I deemed it normal"

"...what happens when it affects you?"

"Agitation as father may claim, killing feels more like a need and I must suppress it more than often"

"So you don't get upset?"

"I might if left unchecked. And as you know Ra's voice is a constant reminder of what I have to do. Yet when I'm affected I see him much clearer"

"Do you see him now?"

"...yes"

"Want me to shoot'em?"

Damian snorted "Yeah that would help"

"Hmph, fine no shooting. Seriously though, whenever you feel the affect then you tell me"

"Why?"

"Kid I'm one of the few who can relate"

"Thank you Todd"

"Of course, how long has this been hurting you lately?"

"It happens and lasts for a few days or so, Grandfather never took appreciation to weakness"

"Well screw him, Ra isn't exactly a stable person. So come to me next time"

"I shall"

The rest of the night was spent enjoying pizza and talking.

~

Jason was at the library in the Manor when he noticed Damian sitting down without a word or notice to his arrival.

"Dames? You alright there bud?" A light tap to his shoulder and Damian jumped, quickly jumping on his assailant's shoulders and taking out his dagger putting it to the assailant's throat.

"Damian, put the dagger down please"

"Who sent you?"

"Damian. It's Jason, I'm not here to hurt you"

Damian's eyes seemed to glow green and he stopped as it died away. "Todd? I-I'm sorry!" Damian scrambled off and slipped his dagger back into his hidden space close to his foot. "I did not hurt you correct?"

"Nah, I'm all good, I'm guessing the Lazarus Pit again?"

"Yes, it seems I was immobile while it took place once again"

"And your Grandfather?"

"He was much closer, normally he sticks to the sides where I can not see him well but he was close enough that I can still sense his presence. I could almost see him in front of me"

"Alright, how about you talk to me about a book you've read recently. I'd like to hear it"

#damian wayne #damian wayne has feelings and he wont admit it #jason todd #red hood #the lazarus pit #tw blood #tw abuse #talia was more nicer to damian when he was younger but im certain the lazarus pit messed with her as it did to jason and ra #i go by comics and movie logic at times and the rest is whatever my head makes up #i believe that damian was punished by being put in the pit as well

[dragonpyre]

If the Lazarus pit can restore lost limbs and bones and shit, would that mean it also restores wisdom teeth?

What I’m saying is, assuming Jason had his wisdom teeth out early (like I did), he’d have to get them out AGAIN before enacting his 5D chess revenge plan on Batman

#lazarus pit #dc #Jason Todd #red hood #Batman #dc comics #text post #he calls Bruce high as a kite sobbing and asking why he doesn’t love him #Bruce at this point has no idea Jason’s alive #Talia regrets letting Jason have phone privileges

[merl-out]

does anyone know everything that's contaminated gotham's water supply/everything intrinsically fucked up with gotham that interlocks to create god's perfect hellscape turned purgatory for bruce wayne specifically?

#Gotham water #batman #theres a post with a bunch of stuff like #the lazarus pit #the chemical spills #whatever the fuck happened to solomon grundy #but i cannot for the life of me find it #because tumblr search even on ur own blog is ass

[ditzybat]

kon: so i know i don’t age, but why don’t you age?

tim: might have to do with the massive lazarus pit underneath gotham that’s slowly polluting our water, which is why gothamites are constantly angry and why none of our rogues die - maybe idk don’t quote me

kon: WHATTT?!

#tim: why do you think the jokers still alive? mf has died at least 10 times atp #dc #tim drake #kon el #conner kent #robin #red robin #superboy #gotham #lazarus pit #young justice #teen titans

[undertheredhood]

broke: the lazarus pit induces psychotic rage on anyone who uses the pit as a price for being healed, and thus they cannot be held accountable for their actions while experiencing 'pit madness'

woke: the lazarus pit is trying to protect and help jason be happy, but jason is super unhinged and wants to cause problems

#dc comics #dc universe #dcu #batman #red hood #jason todd #jason peter todd #jason was never the angry robin #lazarus pit #the lazarus pit #jason todd is a chaos gremlin #jason todd is unhinged #jason todd is a menace #jason todd headcanon #the pit: why don’t you take a break from all this? #jason ‘death is just a social construct’ todd: fuck you i do what i want! #the lazarus pit just wants what’s best for jason but jason wants to cause problems

[yournewmisstress]

In the Danny is Damian’s brother trope what if instead of Damian not telling the family about Danny wasn’t because of grief or shame or any of the more commonly used reasons for his silence. What if it was because he heard about how his father talked about Jason after his death, focusing and exaggerating the negative. That he was violent, angry, never listened to orders but in some iterations and popular fanon is that Jason was a cheerful and studious Robin.

What if while compiling info and researching the former robins during his tumultuous introduction he saw what kind of robin Jason was, good with kids and victims. Talking about his favorite books while on patrol and similar. Reminding Damian of his most Beloved brother.

Then he finds out about how Bruce talked about Jason after he died. Using him as an example as what not to do, erasing his good traits and just using him as a cautionary tale of what happens when you don’t follow orders. Just like what Ra’s said about Danny.

So he didn’t tell the family, not out of guilt or grief. But because his father stripped away Jason’s positive traits after death, the son he chose, adopted and loved. Who when he failed because he was a child led astray by his mother. What would he do to his brother, who loved the stars and excelled in stealth, who was quite in his kills but had no lust for killing.

Whether or not Bruce would do this to Danny’s memory doesn’t matter. B’s actions are gonna affect how Damian views his father even years after the initial actions. Because Damian will protect his brothers memory from being twisted even by their father.

#danny and damian are twins #dp x dc crossover #dp x dc #dcxdp #dpjl #danny phantom crossover #angst #Bruce is not trusted by his son and this causes issues #maybe Danny died during a failed mission #or ra’s didn’t want two heirs #the Lazarus pit stole Danny’s body and dropped it on the outskirts of amity park

[glow-in-the-dark-death]

The Smell of Home

Damian had noticed the new student in his school.

Not because he was new or how he looked

no, not any of the usual reasons someone would grab peoples attention.

Weirdly enough it was his scent, which was really weird. He usually didn't take notice of how people smell besides the usual just like anyone else.

But something about the smell that seemed to emanate from this new student who he had learned his name was Danny Fenton, just would not leave his mind.

He knew the smell but couldn't remember from where and it was just at the tip of his tongue, it was driving him crazy.

His family seemed to notice him become more irritable from usual.

But not around Fenton, he seemed to unconsciously calm down in his presence, which just made him suspicious and more irritated.

It wasn't until he woke up from a dream of memories from when he was little and still living with his mom that he realized what he was smelling.

The Lazarus Pits.

He grew up with that smell, it used to hang around the entire area and buildings.

He hadn't realized how long it had been since he had smelled it

He unconsciously related it to the smell of his childhood home.

But why would this random boy give off that very same odor?

Some investigating needed to be done.

~

Danny had noticed one of his classmates a boy he learned was called Damian seemed to act ...odd?

But only around him it seemed

With everyone else he was normal if a bit cold.

He would seem to relax an then suddenly tense up and send him a suspicious glare.

Also he was pretty sure that the boy seemed to be sniffing him?

Did he smell bad or something?

Why was he the only one who he seemed to act weird with.

Oh God, maybe he thought the smell of ecto was weird?

But that's not something he could control and most people never even seemed to notice the smell of ecto he produced since he became a halfa.

~

Damian glaring at Danny every time he realizes he's relaxed

Danny: "What did I do!?"

~

Batfam notices Damian being extra grouchy :" Ah, he's going through his rebellious phase"

~

Danny: "Did you just sniff mE!"

Damian: *scoff* "Don't be absurd"

~

Damian stealing Danny's clothes to analyze

Danny: " Who keeps taking my stuff?!"

Batfam: "Damian we know you're growing and experiencing new things, but stealing the things especially clothes from your crush is crossing boundaries"

Damian: "This is a misunderstanding, I don't have a crush on anyone!"

Bruce: "Son I think it's time I give you 'The Talk TM', I have an entire slideshow and docume-"

Damian: "This family is a nightmare!"

~

Just an Idea

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