#mini discourse

[girlinlavender]

one of the most intriguing things about sapphic pairings, which, in my opinion, cements them as the best type of ship gender wise, (don’t come at me), is the dialectic parralels they often showcase. Very commonly, a narrative will queercode it’s characters by presenting them as something of a matched set, whether they be friends, enemies, rivals, etc.

This is especially and irrevocably true in sapphic relationships specifically because of how insanely close and often toxic and codependent female friendships can become, especially between repressed queer girls. The comparing yourself to them, the resentment and jealousy, the love, the possessiveness— it’s easy for those types of relationships to bridge on romantic, and that’s why queer girl “friend breakups” are so intense, and often so romantically charged. Because it’s essentially an actual breakup.

Similarly, as is often seen with two characters who are intertwined in this way, or any other, the narrative will present them as parallels to the other’s character, essentially inversions of each other, furthur proving the notion that these two people are a matched set— you cannot talk about one without also discussing the other, because their development within the storyline is entirely dependent on each other. Specifically, female relationships are known to present themselves in this way to a T; it’s what raises the extremely common question within queer women: do I want to be her, or do I want to be with her?

Take Jackieshauna, two girls so insanely connected that even their fucking funko pops had to be together, still codependent even when separated by death. Their relationship was insanely homoerotic, even without being canonical, which makes them one of the most popular ships in the entire Yellowjackets fandom.

Take Catradora, who were super duper codependent in their early days in the horde, and who’s narratives paralleled each other even right up to the very end of the series. They were also a matched set— yes, they had independent character arcs, but their traumas were so connected to each other that without the other, they would have turned out a completely different person, and very likely a worse one..

Take literally any sapphic ship, and you’ll likely see this issue presented in one way or another. This entanglement, like souls bound together, that can’t even become completely separate from each other in the midst of war, death, politics, starvation or cult activity. That’s what makes these kinds of dynamics so interesting, and ripe with motifs to discuss, like I’m doing now. To put it simply: fiction is bonkers bannanas, and girls are extremely close with one another in a way that cannot be understood by outsiders. People of any nature, gender, whatever, are shipped together because they are interesting together, and nothing is more interesting than people who cannot exist without some semblance of the person they care for most. Even if you don’t see them as romantic, you can’t deny the intensity and emotional intimacy share. The human condition is an endlessly expanding atrocity, and the depth that lies within it is easily exemplified by other people, and that, my friends, is why stories are good.

#whooooo that was a lot #everyone good? anyone need water? #shipping dynamics #shipping discourse #i can add as many tags as i want to thank you #wlw #sapphic #jackieshauna #yellowjackets #yj #catradora #she-ra #spop #lesbian #my lil mini essay yahoo #lottienat #mistynat #tumblr discourse #maybe #let’s hope not

[celebrate-lesbianism]

Respectfully, I can't relate when people say they weren't born gay. I've been kissing girls since the 6th grade, before I had the language to even describe what I was feeling. I was always going to turn out this way lmao

#I've been seeing some 'no one is really born gay' discourse lately and I'm sorry but I just do not agree #that does not describe my experience at all so please do not speak for me or on behalf of all gay people #mini rant #lesbian #butch lesbian #mine

[alice-jem]

Unpopular opinion: when fans in every fandom saw a potential found family addressing it as a headcanon which automatically cancels or bans the idea of shipping them.

#what about people who ships them and doesn't see a found family trope between two characters? #found family #found family discourse #ship discourse #found family vs shipping #shipping discourse #lunter #luz x hunter #simon x fionna #fionna x simon #simonna #petribell #hunter x luz #discourse #rant #mini rant #unpopular opinion #luz noceda #toh hunter #simon petrikov #fionna the human #fionna campbell #breagan #reagan ridley #brett hand #this found family that they seen them as siblings or like a father-daughter is killing me inside #it feels like shipping a found family they thought about is a crime #random thoughts #proship #anti ship

[aceoffangirls]

So just found out about all this shitty aro discourse and it’s horrible. People say aro people aren’t queer enough or oppressed enough. Is that what it means to be LGBTQIA+.

For a community that talks about being so accepting we need to have a good look in the mirror. The community is also filled with Racism, Misogyny, Transphobia, Biphobia and hell even Lesbians get shit on.

Many ace and aro people are told similar things to other queer people that “we haven’t met the right person yet”, “you are to young to know”, “that’s a medical condition”, or even the fact that we feel isolated by our own community.

There are also many struggles that ace and aro people face including worried that if you talk to a doctor about it they are going to blame it on hormones. In a lot of countries where conversion therapy is illegal for queer people or where queer people have their rights protected, asexual and aromatic people are often left out with conversion therapy and corrective rape being a big thing some aces have to face.

They are also one of the most misunderstood queer orientations with countless media, books and queer people misunderstanding, the complexity and fluidity of asexuality and aromamtism.

Many ace and aro people even doubt there sexuality for so long because how can you tell what you are supposed to be feeling if you have nothing to compare it to.

Being queer or lgbtqia+ has nothing to do with meeting a certain standard of what you deem "queer enough" or being "oppressed enough". It is falling out of the social norm and not experiencing the status quo that everyone is cisgender and straight , that everyone experiences sexual and romantic attraction. Its being one or some or multiple of others and loving yourself anyways.

#asexual #aroace #aromantic #lgbtqia #ace #asexuality #aro #aspec #queer #queer community #discourse #tw: aphobia #aphobes fuck off #aphobia #sorry for my mini rant

[jimintomystery]

Wow

On Monday, Marvel put out a new Loki trailer, previewing the final two episodes of the season. The trailer briefly shows Mobius living out a normal life, presumably as he did before he was recruited into the Time Variance Authority.

Since then the Loki fandom, famed for its carefully considered reactions, has gone from debating whether Mobius is married/divorced/widowed to wondering if Mobius is secretly Thor. (Or Balder.) This is all based on approximately three seconds in a trailer for two episodes.

Apparently word got around that Mobius's real name is "Don," which could make him Don Blake. In the comics, Don Blake was the human alter ego of Thor. (Or Balder, in the other comics. This is confusing.) I have absolutely no idea how anyone decided Mobius is named "Don" in the first place. It's the same kind of logic that gave us "Someone said 'the devil' in WandaVision, so Mephisto is the next Thanos."

At issue here is, as usual, Lokius. If Mobius has a family life outside the TVA, you see, then he might not be willing or able to consummate his fanon romance with Loki. Or, if he's somehow a variant of Loki's adoptive brother, it would get real awkward for Lokius shippers who have insisted that it's wrong to pair Loki up with Sylvie because they ought to have more of a sibling dynamic. (Loki, who once fucked a horse, could not be reached for comment.)

Anyway, the next episode of Loki drops later tonight, and there's doom and gloom in the fandom about the possibility that Lokius has been Thorki all along. I've already seen someone denounce this "twist" as homophobia and queerbaiting. Because, you see, Disney deliberately designed this show to get fans to infer an mlm relationship, and now Disney is going to dick around with said relationship just to spite those fans, which wouldn't increase their profits by one cent, but for some reason they're bound and determined to do it anyway? I need to lie down.

#loki #loki series #loki show #loki season 2 #loki season 2 mid-season trailer mini-continuity #fight! super robot lifeform loki: robots in disguise (2015 cartoon) #lokius #shipping discourse #fandom wank

[elrielbliss]

why do people think it's elain's responsibility to give lulu a chance? she owes nothing to him. if she doesn't want to talk to him, then that's her choice. i don't understand why people get mad at her for not taking interest with that man when she has never once shown a sign she's interested. isn't it better that she's not leading him on or giving him false hope?

#anti elulu #mini rant post because of the discourse ive seen today #pro elain and her choice

[randomyounglady]

Mini rant about The Completionist charity issue:

Say we give him the benefit of the doubt on everything. Say he actually was looking for a good source, say there are no ulterior motives, and say the intention was to send all of it when a proper source was found. The money dating back to the early years of the charity has lost a lot of value due to inflation. The spending power that could have gone to dementia research back then has been greatly reduced. I point this out because it does not matter if that line of thought was the actual logic. His family's mismanagement of the funds actively removed value from the donations that they can never get back. This is sufficient enough, in my opinion, to at least incur charges. Of course malicious intent should be investigated and only charged for by proper channels, but removing this aspect entirely still reveals clear-cut wrongdoing that every fan who has ever donated should be mad about. The $5 little timmy gave in 2014 has not only not gone to dementia research like planned, but it became less valuable in the process. The impact of that donation, however small it was at the time, as been dampened. That is the worst part of this whole scenario.

#youtube #discourse #charity #the completionist #mini rant #rant #it wasnt their money to sit on #even the base #provable facts are damning #please look into charities before you donate #you can do the exact same checks on any charity that are done in this circumstance

[astriddestelle]

For all the my mom jokes we make about Katara it’s really easy to forget she def saw her mom’s burnt corpse and has trauma. Like she sees her mom alive, goes to get her had which prob takes five minutes and comes back to a burned body. She can prob still picture it, smell it, everything like no wonder she always brings it up. The guilt and trauma is just festering away. poor girl. Also she doesn’t even say that much in the show it’s blown way out of proportion

#avatar the last airbender #katara #atla #katara deserves better #mini ramble #avatar discourse

[emerald-rift]

I Hate When People Just Say That You Can’t Ship Something Because Their Relationship is “Unhealthy”

I just think that exploring their dynamic is fun and the art is cute! Like as long as they aren’t hurting anybody else what’s the point?

“But it’s toxic!” “They’re not good for each other!” “They would never work!” etc.

1. AUs (Alternate Universes) are a thing, where the situation around characters’ relationships are different.

2. Sometimes the dynamic of the characters is fun to play with, even if in canon it would never work. Like not every part of the source material has to apply to a person’s enjoyment of a ship.

3. Maybe that’s the point! Maybe I want to watch this train-wreck of a relationship go down in flames! Do I agree with it in real life? No! but isn’t diving into worlds and trying new scenarios and relationships what fanfiction is about?

4. I don’t give one crap what you ship. like whatever you want, I don’t care! Just let me enjoy my source of dopamine and you can enjoy yours. We can both like different things for equally valid reasons!

(P.S. Thank you to all the respectful shippers out there that can appreciate the dedication that goes into creating something even if you don’t like it personally. You guys are the only reason I haven’t lost my sanity about this. I just am tired of trying to find art or content and being told that my enjoyment is immoral or wrong in some way. I’ve encountered it more on TikTok, but I just needed to express my feelings somewhere.)

#ship discourse #rant post #mini rant #omori #omori basil #omori sunny #basil x sunny #sunny x basil #omori sunflower #sunflower omori #you do you #i'll do me #toxic shippers

[immortally-aro]

what i want this year is for people to stop ignoring characters aspec identities. i don't give a fuck if the character never said out loud that they were aspec, ok?? if they have said they don't find people sexually attractive or aren't interested in ever having a romantic relationship then it counts as them being canonically aspec!! why is that so fucking hard for people to understand? like, if a character says that she only likes girls it's understood that she's canonically gay. but i guess the same logic doesn't apply for us

#mortal talks #ok mini rant about aspec reprisentation and hopefully tomorrow i can write a little essay on it given that it's past my bedtime rn #im pissed about this #aromantic #asexual #fandom discourse #<- i guess #aspec #cw discourse #<- probably? #rant

[starrr-dusttt]

a rant about hotchreid:-

so i read a post where someone said that hotchreid doesn't even have a real ship name it's just a merge of their names.

i don't have anything against those who don't ship hotchreid but tbh there are so many ships whose shipname actually looks better when merged. e.g stony and stevetony, kinnporsche, benjed etc. the thing is the naming of the ship doesn't matter. it's fans, the adoration the fans have for their ship/otp matter.

if we (the fandom) wants to figure out a new ship name for hotchreid we can, honestly fandom can do anything they put their mind to it, but honestly i like hotchreid, it's cute.

so to sum it up, if you don't want to ship a pairing don't but the name of a ship is really not a reason to say that a pairing is senseless

#mini rant #hotchreid #aaron hotchner #spencer reid #hotch x reid #criminal minds #discourse #fandom ships

[shrimpmandan]

What do you think about portraying problematic things in a good light in fiction? As someone who's more of an anti than proshipper, it baffles me when some people call out offensive portrayals of people belonging to marginalized groups but don't care when abuse/pedophilia etc. are glorified in fiction. It's totally fine to explore darker topics in fiction just out of curiosity or to cope with trauma but I think seeing traumatic things that happen to real people being glorified is kinda worrying.

I'd be glad to hear what you think. Have a nice day!

TL;DR: it's a recontextualization thing.

It's important to note of course that what someone finds enjoyable in fiction does not equate to what they find acceptable in real life, not 1-to-1, and it rarely ever correlates. That's not to say it never does, but I'll get back to that.

What I mean by "recontextualization" is that it can be a recontextualization of trauma. "If I portray my abuse as something positive or something that I wanted to happen, or that felt good, or that I was comforted and cared for afterwards-- maybe it won't hurt as much now." You can actually see this in real-world BDSM and the like, e.g. with rape victims using CNC to recontextualize and process their trauma with someone they trust and who cares about them. A lot of trauma victims see it as a reclamation of their sexuality, and you can easily apply this to incest, toxic relationships, and minor/adult relationships being portrayed in fiction as well.

But of course, it's not like you NEED to be a rape victim to have a CNC kink, yeah? 50-60% of women have one, and not all of them are rape victims. Some of them are drawn to the taboo. The power exchange. The "removal" of their autonomy in the context of a roleplay. That doesn't mean those women glorify rape, or think rape is a good thing. It just excites them, whether sexually or nonsexually. Would the same not apply to taboo relationships being explored in fiction-- the good, the bad, and the ugly?

I think you could also apply this to prejudice in fiction, to a degree. There's always this assumption that those types of works-- those involving raceplay, misogyny play, homophobia / transphobia play, and so on-- are written by bigots. Or that the only way you COULD enjoy that content is if you're a bigot yourself. News flash? I'm a bi man and I adore when homophobia is present in fiction. And that could include exploring the perspective of why someone might think homophobia is a good thing, or it being nothing more than a component to some vapid smut. There are PLENTY of minorities who project their trauma with dealing with prejudice into their works, and you can apply that 'recontextualization' argument here, too. A woman who has a misogyny kink as a way of reclaiming her oppression and for the illusion of having her autonomy violated, even though she consents to and has just as much power as her "aggressor" in the fantasy scenario, just as an example.

Of course, this all isn't to say people don't make bigoted or deplorable content for the EXPLICIT purpose of normalizing certain things or causing harm. Propaganda cartoons exist, wrought with racism and sexism and homophobia. There are people who genuinely believe that pedophilia is a good thing, or that BDSM relationships are abusive.

Anti-censorship is not anti-criticism and I feel like that might be where you're confused; you can support freedom of expression wholeheartedly while still critiquing the way something is portrayed in fiction, whether it be something taboo like incest, or something heavy like prejudice. The issue comes in when we accuse ALL portrayals of these things as being glorification. When we throw victims of oppression and trauma under the bus for not expressing their trauma in the "right way", whether it's "too heavy" or "too light-hearted". When we hound authors by immediately assuming malice and hate as opposed to ignorance and an opportunity for growth and education. When we put fanfiction writers who get maybe a few thousand hits tops on most of their works on the same scale as published, best-selling authors.

Yes, these things happen to real people. That's why we write about them. I think I'm pretty much allowed to glorify whatever I want in fiction when I've lived through nearly everything taboo, disgusting, and harmful you can think of. And hell, just because I have a thing for kidnapping doesn't mean I'm disrespecting my mother who was actually kidnapped in the actual real-world by an actual predator. Or is the taboo and traumatic only bad to portray as anything but "100% bad" when it comes to things that make you personally squirmy?

#asks #proship #i hope this doesn't come off as aggressive genuinely! im not mad I actually found this super fun to answer #anyways back to my mini-hiatus #saucyish #tw rape #tw incest #kink discourse

[zeeph-containment-zone]

begging people to understand that explanation for actions =/= condoning them. You can say why something happened without defending it. People have gotten so caught up in calling people out that they just assume explanations are an automatic defense of the thing that somebody did, even when you explicitly say "just because that's why it happened doesn't make what happened good." I can do self destructive things because of my anxiety. That does not make those things good, but it doesn't change that I did them because I was anxious. Both of these statements can be true at once. People can start a conversation with malicious intent by parroting an edgy joke of the time period in 2008. Does not make the malicious intent good or excusable, but it sure does explain why op wasn't blocked on site and why the other person continued to talk to them before the malicious intent showed itself. Both of these statements can be true at once.

also begging people who DO think that people should get a pass due to these things to not do that either. Bad things are bad regardless of what caused them, whether it be lack of understanding, mental illness, or otherwise. both of these statements can be true at once.

#this is about chugga discourse btw #bitches real mad that I said to read the 48 page gaia online conversation with a 2010's lense #because so many zoomers were asking “how tf can he just say that to someone” #because in a time period where pedobear and edgy YTPs were running rampant you could start a conversation by quoting the meme #and people would assume you were just quoting the meme #clearly that was not the case and I cannot stress that enough yet people are ignoring that and trying to ratio me anyway #chuggaaconroy #rant post #mini rant

[fluffypotatey]

Hello! Hope you're doing well. Got any other meta about LMK Sun Wukong, the Brotherhood, or of the Stableboys duo, Ao Lie and Wukong? Have a great week, eat your fruits and sleep early regularly. Thank you for your LMK posts!

hey! tbh my week has been shit :) but i’ll have you know that the best place to find stableboys meta is from the account Dr. Chalk on Twitter. literally get my heart ripped out every time (also their art is fire).

[I ended up having a lot to say about SWK under the cut lol]

As for some delectable Sun Wukong meta/headcanons, I’ll have you know that I am a firm believer of this immortal monkey having such shit survival/preservation skills for himself bc of his 7-fold immortality that he will pull suicidal/heroic feats as the “easier solution” (see s3 where this monkey thought it would be a brilliant idea to place the Samadhi Fire INSIDE himself (even when that is like one of his greatest weaknesses as the JTTW book details) as an easy way to ensure none of MK and his friends would get hurt and he could (probably) spare LBD’s host)

Also, notice how the s4 special revealed to us that Sun Wukong feared death so much he went ahead to finding ways to ensure he never dies. Ever. (Not to mention that this fear stemmed from the fear of failing the people he cared about and that since he was the strongest in FFM and their king, if he died, they would be defenseless bc that is literally what happened when Wukong first left to train under Master Subodhi). But now, Wukong has lived for a very long time (longer than he even thought possible). And he is t i r e d (i will NEVER forget that quick cut to Wukong’s face as he said “focusing on the fact that I am an immortal being, who will never die!”)

Although, my theory is that his suicidal tendicies isn’t because he is that suicidal (or maybe not cognizant if it) but because he knows that even with experiencing something super brutal (such as the Samadhi Fire or drowning in Sandy’s sub), better him than anyone else. Like a “I don’t intend to die, but so be it” that I think really concerns me (in a “I wanna study you under a microscope but also give you cocoa” way)

honestly, it doesn’t help that Tripitaka found himself in such dire situations where Wukong would need to save him from, and some of them were suicidal but you kind of brushed it off bc “he is the Monkey King, immortal 7 times over, and crossed his own name out of the underworld” (and I know we definitely did since everything would work out in the end but like…..come on!), so that kind of life risking behavior was met with positive reinforcement so like….I would not put it past Wukong to unintentionally throw himself into these circumstances in order to help or fix an issue (especially if it concerns MK 👀 he will not hesitate and my heart cannot take it T^T)

but yeah

#this meta/ramble thing is not in any way me dissing or slandering the JTTW crew or Tripitaka #I have seen the discourse about that and ngl it kind of bothers me (a lot) bc the book makes it clear by the end that the group formed a #really close bond with each other so all the theories about the jttw’s gang being one of convenience feels very shallow to me #like yeah ok sure in the beginning none of the group dynamics were the best or solid but that was the point!!!! it’s an allegorical journey #the mind is in conflict with the heart/desires (swk & zhu baije) and is why Tripitaka will argue w/ swk and side with baije #anyway #that was not the pint of this pint but tldr: JTTW found family is a slow burn and I would like for ppl to acknowledge that more #amen #lmk #lmk meta #lmk sun wukong #sorry for the mini rant in the tags lol #lego monkie kid #sun wukong #asks #angstandhappiness

[imaginesandbandfiction]

if someone asks what my writing means after it’s already published, i’m going to start answering with “i am not at liberty to say” because i am no longer the person who wrote it. when i get ideas it’s like im possessed, that bitch was crazy and i have no idea what she really meant.

it’s up to you to figure out what it means to you. Maybe it’s just a cool story or maybe it’s a really shitty story, idk. i just wrote some words down.

#writing #writer #reading #books #poetry #meaning #fanfic #fandom #fanfiction #imagine #imagines #fanfic writer #novels #mine #mini essay #discourse #literature #literary analysis #analysis #lit analysis #analyzing books #thoughts #words #writeblr

[chaos-in-one]

The way people will treat extremely new definitions for labels as the Only Acceptable Definition sometimes is fucking WILD

Anyways I'm a proud butch panagender (mix between pangender and agender) & genderfluid lesbian and ily all other lesbians who get shit for not fitting the newest box for what people expect lesbians to be <3

#'lesbian means non men loving non men only!!!' that definition has been in high use for like 3 years calm down #and my butch lesbian multigender ass is not giving up my label based on a brand new ass definition #some people aren't going to fit your idea of what a specific lgbtq label looks like and thats okay #and honestly some of you really need to get the fuck over it #putting so much damn energy into policing others identities based on the most popular definition SCREAMS privilege #I promise you some trans person online IDing as a lesbian while having a gender that is partially a man is not #going to be what makes the whole damn community collapse. or the cause for prejudice towards lgbtq people at all #anti lgbtq people actively discriminating against us is what is causing that not us #rant #mini rant #lgbtq #lesbian #multigender lesbian #genderfluid lesbian #genderqueer lesbian #butch lesbian #discourse #not putting this in all the discourse tags because certain discoursers I dont want to deal with keep finding it when I do that